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Oct 06 04:31:33 <pabs3> Steps toward a privacy-preserving phone: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/735597/2a1493751cbba859/
Oct 06 04:31:47 <pabs3> hmm, no mention of Neo900
Oct 06 04:33:52 * pabs3 does some evangelism in the comments :)
Oct 06 05:01:00 <pabs3> https://vizzzion.org/blog/2017/10/plasma-convergence-technically/
Oct 06 07:12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Oct 06 07:18:38 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer05: looks like people aren't familiar with the Neo900: https://lwn.net/Articles/735623/
Oct 06 07:18:56 <pabs3> (and think it is still only a concept)
Oct 06 07:19:03 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Oct 06 07:19:14 <DocScrutinizer05> a pity
Oct 06 07:19:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I hope the kickstarter will change this, also a mentionung at FSF would help a lot. But basically first thing we need is a prototype now
Oct 06 07:20:18 <pabs3> oh, there will be a Neo900 kickstarter?
Oct 06 07:20:40 <DocScrutinizer05> "old concept" LOL, as if the article itself had not stated exactly that about modem separation
Oct 06 07:21:15 <DocScrutinizer05> (KS) yes, I don't see another way ro generate the needed number of preorders resp the amount of funds
Oct 06 07:21:22 <pabs3> ah, that was a reply to my assertion that Neo900 is better: https://lwn.net/Articles/735622/
Oct 06 07:21:52 <pabs3> (better than what Purism proposes for the Librem 5)
Oct 06 07:22:00 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Oct 06 07:22:59 <DocScrutinizer05> they assume they can protect against rogue software / malware with physical mechanical killswitches. I think when your userland got tainted like this you're doomed anyway
Oct 06 07:23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> no matter what
Oct 06 07:24:02 <DocScrutinizer05> since eventually you *will* enable the killswitch and you still have no clue whatsoever about the rogue sw
Oct 06 07:25:04 <DocScrutinizer05> tight monitoring of the sandbox (even with control LEDs that can't get faked) is the key, not mechanical killswitches
Oct 06 07:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> their understanding of hw level security is still sparse
Oct 06 07:30:36 <DocScrutinizer05> the threat is _not_ the malware, the threat is you're not realizing there is malware on your device
Oct 06 07:31:07 <DocScrutinizer05> a killswitch doesn't help to realize that
Oct 06 07:31:24 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 has detectors that could warn you
Oct 06 07:34:51 <DocScrutinizer05> you can implement those on kernel level resp root permission level, so even while you installed a software with rogue functions, unless that software *rooted* your system it will still detect the malware, and if that fails you still got the LEDs
Oct 06 07:36:13 <DocScrutinizer05> well, fuzzy wording, the sensors are hw, you got drivers in kernel or wherever you like to act when they yell
Oct 06 07:37:52 <pabs3> https://research.kudelskisecurity.com/2017/10/04/defeating-eddsa-with-faults/
Oct 06 07:39:14 <DocScrutinizer05> is Ed25519 the NSA provided/suggested eliptical curve?
Oct 06 07:42:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh EdDSA != EXDSA?
Oct 06 07:42:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ECDSA*
Oct 06 07:44:59 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: btw a big thank you for constantly providing high quality links
Oct 06 07:54:14 <pabs3> np
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