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Oct 10 01:04:45 <pabs3> Librem 5 phone funded: https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
Oct 10 01:05:27 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer05: I think it would be awesome for Neo900 folks to collaborate with them, so that there is some sane modem isolation/monitoring going on
Oct 10 01:08:53 <pabs3> discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15436716
Oct 10 01:10:44 <jonwil> I heard that they do plan a proper hardware off switch for the cellular modem (which is also isolated from the main Freescale i.MX SoC)
Oct 10 01:11:03 <jonwil> Their goal seems to be to have a system that is running 100% FOSS on the main SoC
Oct 10 01:11:16 <jonwil> with no hidden stuff running that can touch main RAM or the main filesystem
Oct 10 01:11:22 <jonwil> or things like the microphone
Oct 10 01:12:18 <pabs3> that is nothing compared to what the Neo900 folks plan
Oct 10 01:12:47 <jonwil> What have you seen about librem5 that is less secure than Neo900?
Oct 10 01:13:35 <jonwil> If anything, Neo900 isn't as good as librem because it needs a binary blob for 3D acceleration that librem doesn't need
Oct 10 01:13:56 <jonwil> Not that I have anything against either Neo900 or librem
Oct 10 01:14:14 <jonwil> just wondering what would make one phone better than the other if you want a properly secured device
Oct 10 01:14:29 <pabs3> I guess you missed all the info (talks/etc) about the Neo900 modem monitoring/isolation stuff
Oct 10 01:14:40 <pabs3> agreed re 3D stuff
Oct 10 01:14:42 <jonwil> No, I know all about that
Oct 10 01:15:07 <jonwil> And yes I think librem should have the same things if possible
Oct 10 01:15:21 <jonwil> since that would allow you to make sure the modem isn't doing sneaky stuff
Oct 10 01:15:50 <jonwil> but even if it doesn't its still far more secure than anything from crApple or any of the Android OEMs
Oct 10 01:16:10 <pabs3> their current plans do not include any modem monitoring
Oct 10 01:16:22 <pabs3> I really hope that can be fixed
Oct 10 01:16:25 <jonwil> They do have a hardware off switch for the modem though so that's good
Oct 10 01:16:32 <jonwil> And yes modem monitoring would be nice to see
Oct 10 01:16:33 <pabs3> its a start sure
Oct 10 01:20:16 <jonwil> And neither phone will have any kind of biometrics so that removes a big security risk
Oct 10 01:20:38 <jonwil> Whoever decided biometric unlocks for phones was a good idea is an idiot
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