**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 03 03:00:01 2018 Mar 04 02:06:30 DocScrutinizer05: which PIA subsidiary is this referring to? https://neo900.org/news/joerg-pia-2018-03-01 Mar 04 02:06:36 (also, congrats!) Mar 04 02:07:50 this is LTM sub, and basically a new project. I must not elaborate on it (yet) Mar 04 02:08:29 expect nice new things to come Mar 04 02:11:48 pabs3: ^^^ Mar 04 02:12:10 * pabs3 didn't understand "LTM sub" Mar 04 02:13:09 ah, London Trust Media Mar 04 02:13:10 PIA is a sub of LondonTrustMedia and so are the new projects i'm working on. The borders are fuzzy though Mar 04 02:13:32 k Mar 04 02:13:42 https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-7/ Mar 04 02:13:53 HMMM Mar 04 02:21:35 * pabs3 thought for a bit LTM/PIA might have bought Purism ;) Mar 04 02:30:41 they didn't buy purism Mar 04 02:30:51 :-) Mar 04 02:31:05 not open enough, I guess Mar 04 02:31:49 what do you consider a great open SoC for embedded nowadays? Mar 04 02:33:04 open as in "datasheets/TRMs available", ideally Mar 04 02:34:05 I don't believe in the "throw a few .h files and 3 FOSS drivers without much comments over the wall" type of "openness" Mar 04 02:35:20 I'm not familiar with this stuff enough, #debian-arm might be better if you want ARM. I'd go RISC-V though Mar 04 02:36:24 basically that's a sort of FSF's definition of "open hardware", from a sw devel's (excl kernel hackers) indiscriminate point of view Mar 04 02:36:51 RISC-V has embedded SoCs now? Mar 04 02:37:09 that would be great Mar 04 02:37:22 if the SoC actually works Mar 04 02:40:15 SiFive announced Linux capable SoCs and have expensive dev boards out (sold out tho) Mar 04 02:40:21 though, ARM seems to be sort of defacto standard still, simplifying a lot of R&D. Even when a RISC-V SoC would be bug free, great power management and have lots of grunt and a decent (open?!) GPU, you'd still need mature toolchain Mar 04 02:41:13 I'll look into those SiFive chips Mar 04 02:42:08 "expensive" is only secondary concern, at least for devboards Mar 04 02:42:31 RISC-V is upstream in GCC/binutils/glibc. other stuff upstreaming is still in progress Mar 04 02:42:47 that's a start Mar 04 02:42:55 I suggest joining #riscv, #lowrisc (OFTC) and or #debian-riscv (OFTC) Mar 04 02:42:56 GPU? Mar 04 02:43:02 https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V Mar 04 02:43:18 I believe I saw one or two or more open GPU designs Mar 04 02:43:50 https://www.sifive.com/products/freedom/ Mar 04 02:44:04 there are other hardware vendors coming too Mar 04 02:44:23 SiFive was first out the gate though Mar 04 02:44:45 E300 are Arduino-class Mar 04 02:44:56 U500 are Linux capable Mar 04 02:45:59 IIRC SiFive were also giving out hardware to the FLOSS community, distros etc Mar 04 02:49:46 U500 seems to not list a GPU Mar 04 02:51:03 also PCIe somewhat suggests it's maybe not exactly meant for embedded - though this could be a red herring Mar 04 02:52:01 pabs3: what's >> #lowrisc (OFTC) < ~wtf oftc Mar 04 02:52:24 Gee... I don't know what oftc means... Mar 04 02:54:15 I guess it's about spelling Mar 04 02:58:43 irc.oftc.net **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 04 03:00:01 2018