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Apr 22 03:05:38 <pabs3> have to start somewhere I suppose
Apr 22 03:10:59 <DocScrutinizer05> sure thing. What really pisses me off is the bragging
Apr 22 03:12:30 <pabs3> I guess slick marketing is also necessary to get the financial support needed
Apr 22 03:13:36 <DocScrutinizer05> the whole uniqueness of Librem13 consists of 3(?) DPDT switches and a few cm of wires  ( >>[22 Apr 2019 05:09:52] <oldlaptop> OMG! DPDT switches! complicated!  [22 Apr 2019 05:12:21] <oldlaptop> I guess the FSFite target market must be more easily impressed than I thought<< )
Apr 22 03:14:37 <pabs3> yeah, software people (like me) rarely know much about hardware
Apr 22 03:15:28 <DocScrutinizer05> this is exactly what Purism is basing their business model on
Apr 22 03:16:35 <DocScrutinizer05> >>I guess slick marketing is also necessary...<<  yeah, they are incredibly good at that
Apr 22 03:24:52 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders starting workshops
Apr 22 03:24:55 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Build your own modern high-end device (laptop) where you are in control and have complete visibility into the operating system, all bundled software, and the deeper levels of your computer.  Just bring the laptop of your choice from a growing list of readily available models made by renowned manufacturers (or ask if your particular laptop also meets the requirements) and convert it into a LIBRE laptop that cares about your 
Apr 22 03:24:56 <DocScrutinizer05> privacy, by YOURSELF in just one weekend workshop, learning basics about electronics and communication devices while doing so<<
Apr 22 03:25:36 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Approved by the FSF<< ;-P
Apr 22 03:26:33 <DocScrutinizer05> or didn't Purism get FSF RYF approval for their Librem13?
Apr 22 03:32:26 <pabs3> workshop sounds good to me, maybe at the CCC Camp
Apr 22 03:35:19 <pabs3> https://puri.sm/learn/freedom-roadmap/
Apr 22 03:37:02 <pabs3> its bizarre how little hardware/software cross-over there is, for eg even the RISC-V folks are macOS users
Apr 22 04:01:40 <DocScrutinizer05> see? that's exactly why I consider (always did) myself an ambassador between hardware (EE) and software R&D
Apr 22 04:03:57 <DocScrutinizer05> the sw folks seem to always think of hw as something incredibly simple which they would completely understand from just reading the driver .h files discribing the API
Apr 22 04:05:05 <DocScrutinizer05> the hw folks OTOH often don't even ponder *if* there's anything they could offload to sw since it could get done better and cheaper and more flexible in sw domain
Apr 22 04:06:19 <DocScrutinizer05> neither do they ponder if any of the stuff them hw folks design into the API as "to be done in software" maybe is a real PITA in sw and rather should get done in hw
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