**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 12 02:59:57 2006
Dec 12 11:19:57 <solars> Hi, does anyone know if there are any plans about umts/wlan?
Dec 12 11:24:46 <hrw|work> not in v1
Dec 12 11:38:27 <solars> okay thx
Dec 12 12:15:00 <mickeyl> morning
Dec 12 12:18:15 <CM> afternoon :)
Dec 12 14:02:29 <LaF0rge> hi all
Dec 12 14:02:58 <koen> hey LaF0rge 
Dec 12 14:03:31 <LaF0rge> hi koen
Dec 12 14:04:29 <hrw|work> hi LaF0rge 
Dec 12 14:04:52 <Laibsch> Software shipped with OpenMoko will run gtk not qt and the window manager will be gtk-based as far as I understand.
Dec 12 14:05:04 <koen> Laibsch: almost
Dec 12 14:05:15 <koen> Laibsch: matchbox isn't gtk based
Dec 12 14:05:21 <Laibsch> I run both GPE and Opie on my Zaurus.  Will that be possible to do on the OpenMoko as well?
Dec 12 14:05:22 <koen> matchbox I that is
Dec 12 14:05:34 <koen> matchbox II will probably be gtk based
Dec 12 14:06:36 <Laibsch> We don't have Japanese input for matchbox/GPE yet.  But there are some for Opie.  I was wondering if I could use those until something better comes along by running two window managers.
Dec 12 14:07:42 <hrw|work> Laibsch: neo phone is not supported by opie
Dec 12 14:08:30 <koen> Laibsch: the phone is made by the people doing the C in CJKV
Dec 12 14:08:51 <Laibsch> hrw|work: bummer.  Just out of curiosity, is it likely to work nonetheless?  What will be missing?
Dec 12 14:09:29 <hrw|work> Laibsch: if/when someone do some work on it then it will be supported (~one day probably). but no phone apps
Dec 12 14:09:30 <Laibsch> koen: That is at least some hope.  So there should be good hope that something for Chinese input will be on there when FIC brings the patches into OE, right?
Dec 12 14:09:55 <xorAxAx> koen: actually, the TC
Dec 12 14:10:05 <Laibsch> hrw|work: no phone apps is no big deal if I can have both window managers at the same time.
Dec 12 14:10:16 <xorAxAx> koen: as in traditional chinese
Dec 12 14:10:27 <koen> Laibsch: opie isn't a window manager
Dec 12 14:10:51 <Laibsch> koen: I don't care about words as you know.  No use fighting over something like this.
Dec 12 14:11:06 <koen> Laibsch: and matchbox stroke can map arbitrary strokes to UTF8
Dec 12 14:11:21 <Laibsch> koen: opie lets me run a Japanese input method which is all I care for ATM.
Dec 12 14:11:40 <xorAxAx> koen: many japanese users dislike unicode
Dec 12 14:11:48 <xorAxAx> because of the han unification
Dec 12 14:11:55 <Laibsch> koen: There is more to it than just that.  Or do you want to map 80.000 or even 250.000+ characters (at last count)?
Dec 12 14:12:15 <koen> xorAxAx: I doubt they'll care
Dec 12 14:12:33 <xorAxAx> koen: many .jp linux distros arent on utf-8 yet, i guess they do
Dec 12 14:12:56 <koen> xorAxAx: they draw a few strokes and the right char/whatchamacallit appears on screen
Dec 12 14:13:39 <koen> xorAxAx: .jp is the poster-boy for NIH
Dec 12 14:14:27 <Laibsch> koen: On the other hand, many ppl called and still call them copy-cats!
Dec 12 14:14:42 <Laibsch> And they are good at improving other ppl's ideas
Dec 12 14:14:49 <Laibsch> koen: I guess the world is not so easy.
Dec 12 14:14:50 <xorAxAx> koen: that sounds a bit racistic
Dec 12 14:15:33 <koen> xorAxAx: since when are japanese a seperate race?
Dec 12 14:15:47 <Laibsch> koen: You are playing on words again.
Dec 12 14:16:17 <koen> Laibsch: http://xkcd.com/c169.html
Dec 12 14:17:48 <xorAxAx> koen: i dont see any NIH wrt to charsets, unicode was last
Dec 12 14:19:50 <robtaylor> koen: its more like, well, say utf-8 didn't map ascii 1-1. its uptake in latinate languages would have been limited
Dec 12 14:20:30 <robtaylor> koen: so they have all this data which is in a charset that doesn't map to unicode
Dec 12 14:20:40 <robtaylor> so its not an obvious win
Dec 12 14:21:33 <koen> robtaylor: any chance can be avoided that way
Dec 12 14:21:45 <robtaylor> ?
Dec 12 14:22:15 <koen> "it requires effort"
Dec 12 14:22:15 <koen> "not an obvious win"
Dec 12 14:22:27 <robtaylor> i'm saying its a social transition issue
Dec 12 14:22:29 <robtaylor> they are hard
Dec 12 14:22:51 <koen> inert
Dec 12 14:23:08 <hrw|work> robtaylor: utf8 does not map to anything which is not US-ASCII
Dec 12 14:23:08 <koen> I've been around engineers for too long
Dec 12 14:23:12 <robtaylor> e.g. everyone in finland *still* uses ISO-8859-1 when chatting on IRC
Dec 12 14:23:23 <hrw|work> robtaylor: ircnet is iso1 
Dec 12 14:24:08 <robtaylor> hrw|work: yes
Dec 12 14:25:07 <CM> UTF-8 is still a pain to use since so many apps don't support it fully
Dec 12 14:25:25 <CM> especially when you use non-standard chars, like å or so
Dec 12 14:25:58 <mickeyl> *phew*
Dec 12 14:26:09 <mickeyl> any one of you ever dived into Xlib programming?
Dec 12 14:26:13 <mickeyl> that's _nasty_ stuff
Dec 12 14:26:18 <koen> mickeyl: *gasp*
Dec 12 14:26:24 <koen> mickeyl: use xcb
Dec 12 14:26:26 <mickeyl> and i thought gtk was lowlevel
Dec 12 14:26:27 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Dec 12 14:26:43 <mickeyl> i have to query some XpropertyEvents and look at Xatoms
Dec 12 14:26:46 <mickeyl> that alone is horrible :D
Dec 12 14:26:54 <robtaylor> mickeyl: what's that for?
Dec 12 14:26:55 * mickeyl wishes Qt/Embedded back
Dec 12 14:27:16 * robtaylor has done xlib, its pain, use xcb as koen says
Dec 12 14:27:18 <koen> mickeyl: worse as INT13?
Dec 12 14:27:19 <mickeyl> robtaylor: OpenMoko. I need to keep track of active windows and the active app and stuff
Dec 12 14:27:29 <mickeyl> koen: heh. same league, but more parameters in the API
Dec 12 14:28:01 <robtaylor> mickeyl: why not just query matchbox?
Dec 12 14:28:20 <robtaylor> or even, do it in matchbox? :)
Dec 12 14:28:54 <mickeyl> it's talking with matchbox
Dec 12 14:29:08 <mickeyl> which goes over those nasty Xatoms
Dec 12 14:29:18 <mickeyl> _NET_FOO_BAR
Dec 12 14:29:20 <mickeyl> _MB_FOO_BAR
Dec 12 14:29:23 <mickeyl> and the like
Dec 12 14:29:35 <robtaylor> ahh
Dec 12 14:29:35 * CM wants to see what's talking.. ;)
Dec 12 14:29:46 <koen> mickeyl: could libwnck help with that?
Dec 12 14:29:59 <robtaylor> *best names library ever*
Dec 12 14:30:30 <Laibsch> mickeyl: Do you know if openmoko will ship with a Chinese input method?
Dec 12 14:30:30 <koen> "ibwnck (pronounced "libwink") is used to implement pagers, tasklists, and other such things. It allows applications to monitor information about open windows, workspaces, their names/icons, and so forth."
Dec 12 14:30:44 <mickeyl> koen: probably not directly, however that's really good stuff. i will use the source
Dec 12 14:30:53 <mickeyl> Laibsch: most likely not at shipping time.
Dec 12 14:31:09 <robtaylor> koen: that's not how i pronounce it ;)
Dec 12 14:31:16 <Laibsch> mickeyl: Aha.  Anybody working on it at all?
Dec 12 14:31:18 <mickeyl> Laibsch: but foreign input methods are very important for OpenMoko
Dec 12 14:31:30 <Laibsch> mickeyl: For me too ;-)
Dec 12 14:31:58 <mickeyl> Laibsch: I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. Shanghai Labs are doing a lot of stuff, but communication is not their strength :))
Dec 12 14:32:00 <Laibsch> mickeyl: I would need to look into stuff that runs under matchbox and requires no keyboard, right?
Dec 12 14:32:06 <robtaylor> mickeyl: can't you use gdk_property_get?
Dec 12 14:32:07 <mickeyl> Laibsch: right
Dec 12 14:32:14 <Laibsch> OK
Dec 12 14:32:30 <mickeyl> robtaylor: that's not event based. I need to get informed about changes.
Dec 12 14:32:43 <mickeyl> I'll be getting there, it's just a bit nasty
Dec 12 14:33:28 <robtaylor> mickeyl: oh, yeah, of course :/
Dec 12 16:30:43 <koen> ok
Dec 12 16:30:55 <koen> my annoyance threshold has been reached
Dec 12 16:31:34 <koen> anyone mentioning that and FPGA is 'needed' to do <foo> will get an earfull
Dec 12 16:31:43 <koen> s/and/an/
Dec 12 16:31:44 <apt> koen meant: anyone mentioning that an FPGA is 'needed' to do <foo> will get an earfull
Dec 12 16:32:24 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Dec 12 16:33:18 <koen> "if we have an fpga we could dim the backlight"
Dec 12 16:33:29 <koen> "if we have an fpga we could make phone calls"
Dec 12 16:33:42 <koen> "I need an fpga to tie my shoelaces"
Dec 12 16:33:57 <so_solid_moo> if we had an fpga, it could be programmed on the fly to power the usb port.
Dec 12 16:34:00 <so_solid_moo> that would be useful.
Dec 12 16:34:23 <hrw|work> and to decode HDTV fetched from DVB-T in realtime
Dec 12 16:34:30 <so_solid_moo> yes!
Dec 12 16:34:33 <hrw|work> and it will accelerate display
Dec 12 16:34:41 * so_solid_moo waits for koen to scream...
Dec 12 16:35:04 <koen> so_solid_moo: only my sarcasm alarm is going off
Dec 12 16:35:14 <so_solid_moo> shame :)
Dec 12 16:35:16 <hrw|work> and the most important thing - fpga will give us BT 3.0 and wifi 802.11xyz
Dec 12 16:35:24 <so_solid_moo> I shall troll more professionally in future
Dec 12 16:35:48 <robtaylor> koen: if we had an fpga, we could progam another arm core on it and TAKE OVER THE WORLD
Dec 12 16:36:10 <koen> s/TAKE OVER THE WORLD/get sued by ARM ltd/
Dec 12 16:36:18 <robtaylor> oh, yeah, that too
Dec 12 16:36:20 <alphaone> Just like we did last night, pinky
Dec 12 16:36:36 <robtaylor> but it wouldn't matter, cause we'd have already TAKEN OVER THE WORLD
Dec 12 16:36:55 <hrw|work> There are three types of people:
Dec 12 16:36:55 <hrw|work> Those who don't know what happened, those who wonder what happened,
Dec 12 16:36:55 <hrw|work> and people like us, that MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.
Dec 12 16:37:10 <robtaylor> what just happened?
Dec 12 16:37:41 * robtaylor looks confused
Dec 12 16:37:52 <hrw|work> taken over the world
Dec 12 16:39:55 <koen> drat
Dec 12 16:40:00 <koen> time to learn polish
Dec 12 16:42:31 <hrw|work> cu
Dec 12 16:43:02 <timtimred> this channel just keeps getting bigger! 
Dec 12 16:51:35 <mjr> hmm, what an excellent idea on the list about lost/stolen phones
Dec 12 16:52:02 <koen> the teen buzz?
Dec 12 16:52:19 <koen> I couldn't hear 17kHz when I was a teenager
Dec 12 16:52:32 <mjr> more about the collecting of location and voice data
Dec 12 16:52:43 <koen> ah
Dec 12 16:52:49 <koen> I stopped reading after the teenbuzz
Dec 12 16:53:39 <koen> so it's like http://orbicule.com/undercover/
Dec 12 16:53:40 <mjr> well, the good stuff was after, though some technical/policy issues remain
Dec 12 16:54:03 <mjr> yeah, somewhat
Dec 12 17:38:27 <Paavo> Did you hear about this yet? Someone ported Linux to the Siemens SX1 - an S60 phone. http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SiemensSX1News
Dec 12 17:42:01 <timtimred> its a shame the phone looks like a star trek prop
Dec 12 17:42:49 <timtimred> it looks like a whack nokia design reject
Dec 12 17:52:23 <mjr> Paavo, curious, but perhaps I'll prefer one designed around it anyway :)
Dec 12 18:07:56 <Paavo> mjr: of course. Still you have to respect the mad skillz of that guy.
Dec 12 18:50:11 <buz> can we please get a CF slot and tell the FPGA crowd to go buy http://www.picocomputing.com/products/cards/e12ep.php ?
Dec 12 18:58:06 <tspiggy> That's about $3000...
Dec 12 18:58:19 <tspiggy> It's a very nice device, but rather expensive.
Dec 12 19:04:12 <buz> still saner than insisting to put an fpga in every phone
Dec 12 19:06:16 <buz> besides that device would likely be quite affordable if you bought it in quantity
Dec 12 20:13:39 <solars_> is there already a price and where it is available information around ?
Dec 12 20:14:02 <marcb4242> 350$ directly shipped from taiwan by fic
Dec 12 20:14:16 <solars_> thank you
Dec 12 20:15:37 <marcb4242> solars_: hey, you are sitting in Tirol - any snow already there?
Dec 12 20:16:13 * thedaniel misses snow
Dec 12 20:16:20 <solars_> heh, well not much at the moment :( at least here in innsbruck, but the main aeh.. lifts? are opening on friday
Dec 12 20:16:47 <marcb4242> solars_: I loved to go to Hintertux...
Dec 12 20:17:06 * stefan_schmidt needs a snowboard week next year. :)
Dec 12 20:17:23 <solars_> marcb4242, yeah its great there, been there 1 week ago. where are you from ?
Dec 12 20:17:45 <marcb4242> solars_: was living in Munich, now in Nizza
Dec 12 20:18:06 <solars_> so youre german?
Dec 12 20:18:20 <marcb4242> solars_: Jawohl ;-)
Dec 12 20:18:30 <solars_> heheh :D well nizza isn't that bad :)
Dec 12 20:18:35 <solars_> why did you move ?
Dec 12 20:19:01 <marcb4242> solars_: hehe - better weather, the sea and the mountains
Dec 12 20:19:21 <solars_> cool :)
Dec 12 20:19:23 <marcb4242> was still swimming three weeks ago
Dec 12 20:19:38 <solars_> heh, well it wasn't that cold here actually :/
Dec 12 20:19:55 <solars_> my snowboard is still covered with dust
Dec 12 20:20:37 <koen> it was 6 degrees last weekend in southern germany
Dec 12 20:21:07 <solars_> still too 'hot' :P
Dec 12 20:21:29 <koen> cold enough to drink homebrew schnapps ;)
Dec 12 20:21:33 <marcb4242> from 12:00 to 14:00 you can still do sun bathing at the beach in swim suit
Dec 12 20:22:01 <marcb4242> koen: I thought you're in NL?
Dec 12 20:22:13 <koen> I am, but I was in .de last weekend
Dec 12 20:22:24 <koen> nellingen, near Ulm
Dec 12 20:22:38 <marcb4242> I like Ulm - nice Münster
Dec 12 20:22:51 <solars_> koen, haha yeah :D
Dec 12 20:23:09 <marcb4242> I nearly went to study there but ended up in Heidelberg :-)
Dec 12 20:23:27 <marcb4242> alt heidelberg du feine *g*
Dec 12 20:23:37 <solars_> what did you study ?
Dec 12 20:23:46 <marcb4242> pyhsics
Dec 12 20:23:52 <solars> ah alright
Dec 12 20:23:57 <marcb4242> s/pyh/phy/
Dec 12 20:23:57 <apt> marcb4242 meant: physics
Dec 12 20:24:24 <solars> is that guy, who wrote that press information for openmoko, in this channel too ?
Dec 12 20:25:01 <solars> I mean, the presentation
Dec 12 20:25:03 <koen> sean?
Dec 12 20:25:10 <solars> mh don't know the name
Dec 12 20:25:50 <marcb4242> I guess Sean is to busy? Well, I wouldn't know which his nick is...
Dec 12 20:25:54 <solars> I just wanted to say I like that kind of a tech presentation, pretty cool hehe, I thought immedeately "damn, i need that thing"
Dec 12 20:26:42 <buz> koen: http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?language=en#news11749 <- supposedly uses your beloved freescale i.mx  ;)
Dec 12 20:27:06 <marcb4242> koen, do you know how the sd driver problem is solved on the neo - wrt the closed sd specs?
Dec 12 20:27:30 <stefan_schmidt> marcb4242: There are already free sd drivers out.
Dec 12 20:27:51 <stefan_schmidt> marcb4242: You can get the simplified sd specs on the net.
Dec 12 20:27:55 <marcb4242> stefan_schmidt: ah, ok. I assume the motorla ones.
Dec 12 20:28:15 <stefan_schmidt> marcb4242: For example. But there are some more.
Dec 12 20:28:46 <stefan_schmidt> marcb4242: Even vanilla kernel have support. But needs to be extended.
Dec 12 20:29:05 <stefan_schmidt> marcb4242: The problem is still SDIO. No specs for it.
Dec 12 20:30:04 <marcb4242> stefan_schmidt: as far as I have understood SDIO is not yet an option for the neo anyway?
Dec 12 20:30:18 <marcb4242> stefan_schmidt: so it is more a general problem?
Dec 12 20:30:53 <stefan_schmidt> marcb4242: Yes, more general.
Dec 12 20:31:14 <buz> does the SDIO licensing say you cant GPL the driver
Dec 12 20:31:20 <buz> or is it just too expensive to get the spec?
Dec 12 20:31:29 <stefan_schmidt> marcb4242: But even for microSD there are Wlan cards.
Dec 12 20:31:41 <buz> stefan_schmidt: actually there aren't really
Dec 12 20:31:47 <buz> the stuff that spectec sells is way oversized
Dec 12 20:31:47 <marcb4242> stefan_schmidt: yes, but the slot is below the battery in the neo
Dec 12 20:32:15 <stefan_schmidt> marcb4242: Ah, ok, no SDIO then.
Dec 12 20:32:37 * buz would love to have CF on neov2
Dec 12 20:33:06 * marcb4242 would love to have FPGA
Dec 12 20:33:06 <stefan_schmidt> buz: To big.
Dec 12 20:33:11 * marcb4242 is just kidding#
Dec 12 20:33:12 <noidd> I'd just like to have a neo v1 in my hands :-)
Dec 12 20:33:41 <buz> if i look at the somewhat odd shape of neov1 it might fit
Dec 12 20:33:43 <noidd> actually, an FPGA would be really useful.  You could implement a coke-can vending machine in hardware!
Dec 12 20:33:52 <buz> roooofl
Dec 12 20:33:56 <marcb4242> anybody woring on a map application? like porting maemo mapper?
Dec 12 20:34:15 <noidd> Think about it, drop yer cash in the SD slot (assuming we get specs for SDIO) and the FPGA can vend the can of coke.
Dec 12 20:34:18 <stefan_schmidt> buz: No idea
Dec 12 20:34:21 <noidd> instant market for that I'm sure.
Dec 12 20:34:26 <buz> apropos, is there an open source navigation app i could at least BUY maps for
Dec 12 20:34:37 <marcb4242> noidd: I'd love to have a replacement for my car engine management - jsut in case..
Dec 12 20:34:39 <stefan_schmidt> buz: ...about the price of th SD spec.
Dec 12 20:34:41 <noidd> and if you don't like coke... since its an open source FPGA implementation you can change it to vend Pepsi or Jolt
Dec 12 20:34:54 <buz> red bull 
Dec 12 20:35:05 <noidd> or Red Bull, indeed.
Dec 12 20:35:09 <buz> but then you may not give it to kids
Dec 12 20:35:13 <noidd> All it would take is those closed source nazi
Dec 12 20:35:13 <thedaniel> i would prefer that it vends fpgas
Dec 12 20:35:18 <buz> or use the phone while you're drunk
Dec 12 20:35:30 <noidd> ;s to give up the SDIO spec and freedom could be ours, carbonated and tasty.
Dec 12 20:35:47 <marcb4242> buz: maemo-mapper uses gXXXX-maps
Dec 12 20:36:12 * noidd is being tempted into a spoof email.
Dec 12 20:36:13 <marcb4242> buz: slightly outside of the TOS
Dec 12 20:36:32 <buz> i think it would be ok in switzerland
Dec 12 20:36:55 <marcb4242> buz: carbonated water or google maps?
Dec 12 20:37:06 <buz> google maps
Dec 12 20:37:18 <buz> considering that they have the stuff open for taking
Dec 12 20:37:32 <marcb4242> like the TIGER in the US?
Dec 12 20:37:46 <buz> ?
Dec 12 20:38:00 <marcb4242> TIGER data is the street map data for free in the US
Dec 12 20:38:15 <buz> oh thats neat
Dec 12 20:38:17 <marcb4242> the roadmap software is using it
Dec 12 20:38:39 <marcb4242> roadmap is at least available in the familiar feeds afaik
Dec 12 20:38:49 <buz> considering that the government maintains the data on our taxes, they should just opensource it and be done with it
Dec 12 20:39:04 <marcb4242> buz: I absolutely agree
Dec 12 20:39:44 <marcb4242> especially considering that the EU spent 400.000.000EUR in the pockets of Bertelsmann in order to create a google competitor
Dec 12 20:40:10 <marcb4242> that book scan thingy...
Dec 12 20:40:11 <buz> as far as the EU is concerned, most hope is lost
Dec 12 20:40:40 <marcb4242> I'm pretty positive about the EU, but not at all about subventions
Dec 12 20:40:47 <buz> thats the biggest part of it
Dec 12 20:41:05 <buz> occasionally they do something right
Dec 12 20:41:09 <buz> like slapping MS
Dec 12 20:41:15 <marcb4242> :-)
Dec 12 20:41:27 <marcb4242> I love the Euro
Dec 12 20:41:36 <buz> yeah that was another thing that was mostly right
Dec 12 20:42:21 <buz> most things that make something easier are right
Dec 12 20:42:35 <marcb4242> IMHO the EU commission is doing lots of good things
Dec 12 20:43:24 <marcb4242> but again my question: nobody working on a maemo-mapper port?
Dec 12 20:43:35 <buz> in cases where they are trying to find the lowestcommon denominator, that's mostly true
Dec 12 20:43:54 <buz> when they go overboard and want to prescribe something for everyone i'm not sure i like them very much
Dec 12 20:44:01 <koen> marcb4242: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/maemo-mapper/maemo-mapper-nohildon_svn.bb
Dec 12 20:44:08 <koen> marcb4242: that's a working prototype
Dec 12 20:44:23 <marcb4242> the nohildon still uses BT to talk to the GPS
Dec 12 20:44:48 <koen> hence 'prototype' :)
Dec 12 20:44:55 <marcb4242> I looked already in the source code. 10.000 very nice lines
Dec 12 20:45:36 <marcb4242> okay. I'll see if I get it running on my iPAQ.
Dec 12 20:46:00 <marcb4242> BTW - OE is sooo cool. Just amazing.
Dec 12 20:53:17 <marcb4242> from the ML: ""This phone is a Neo1973 and as such is under
Dec 12 20:53:17 <marcb4242> the protection of the world wide open-source hackers community. Please,
Dec 12 20:53:17 <marcb4242> from now on, stop smoking, drop all weapons, and handle this device
Dec 12 20:53:17 <marcb4242> *especially* carefully. "
Dec 12 20:53:53 <koen> http://www.codepoet.org/cake/img_1629.jpg
Dec 12 20:55:17 <buz> oh great
Dec 12 20:55:19 <buz> my isps dns is down again
Dec 12 20:55:37 <myren_> their server?
Dec 12 20:55:39 <myren_> just use 4.2.2.2
Dec 12 20:55:39 <marcb4242> buz: there are plenty of DNS on the net...
Dec 12 20:55:59 <buz> yeah
Dec 12 20:56:05 <buz> but finding them without dns is somewhat hard
Dec 12 20:56:12 <marcb4242> buz: lol
Dec 12 20:56:16 <myren_> hey genius, 4.2.2.2
Dec 12 20:56:29 <buz> its like calling your phone company about that broken phone
Dec 12 20:56:34 <myren> it aliases local big iron
Dec 12 20:56:44 <marcb4242> nameserver 212.27.54.252
Dec 12 20:56:51 <myren> fine dont fucking listen to me.  the internet didnt want you anyways jerk.
Dec 12 20:56:53 <marcb4242> dunno if it is open
Dec 12 20:57:31 <buz> dude?
Dec 12 20:58:07 <buz> no need to freak out
Dec 12 20:58:32 <myren> its been a freaky day.  :/
Dec 12 20:58:48 <buz> i stopped rating mine as to freakiness
Dec 12 20:58:58 <marcb4242> *that* must have been very freaky...
Dec 12 21:01:50 <myren> 4.2.2.2 is one of the two internet cheat codes i know
Dec 12 21:02:08 <myren> the other is l/p cyberpunk/cyberpunk, which works for 19/20 websites
Dec 12 21:48:48 <noidd> how did level 3 end up with a whole class A?
Dec 12 21:49:17 <stefan_schmidt> noidd: Come first get much...
Dec 12 21:49:38 <noidd> yeah, cept level 3 is only 6 years old or so
Dec 12 21:50:03 <noidd>  Created on..............: 1998-Apr-01.
Dec 12 21:50:06 <noidd> 8 years old
Dec 12 21:50:52 <noidd> Damn, frigging Maxtor
Dec 12 21:51:18 <noidd> The specs on the "MaxLine" and "Diamond Max 11" drives are identical
Dec 12 21:51:27 <noidd> why the hell is one drive 80$ more expensive than the other
Dec 12 21:52:22 <noidd> I have a diamondmax11 on one side of my raid array.  I'm scared tro puyt the other type on the other side of the mirror but i'm not sure I want to spend the extra $80 if they are functionally identical
Dec 12 21:52:25 * noidd ponders
Dec 12 21:56:33 <buz> mhh
Dec 12 21:56:41 <buz> i think warranty are different
Dec 12 21:57:05 <buz> (maxtor are just about the worst drives anyway)
Dec 13 02:09:55 <digitalslave> grrr dying for a date - hopefully its sooo soon although the website keeps getting its ass kicked ;)
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