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Dec 21 03:15:25 <fusion> Hi everyone
Dec 21 10:14:53 <longshot> is it possible to preorder, like today/tommorrow? :p 
Dec 21 10:15:44 <hrw|work> no
Dec 21 10:15:48 <longshot> say a little money had to be spend before end-of-year
Dec 21 10:16:02 <longshot> k
Dec 21 10:16:20 <koen> if you want to spend money, donate to the developers :)
Dec 21 10:16:41 <longshot> cant, has to be for goods or product with receipt
Dec 21 10:17:25 <longshot> delivery in feb or whenever out would be fine
Dec 21 10:18:08 <longshot> well, hopefully some developers benefit somehow from phone sales ...
Dec 21 10:20:30 <hrw|work> longshot: buy some developer time?
Dec 21 10:29:36 <greentux> hrw|work: morning, by the way, if there are some "goodies" you need for oe dev please let me now (perhaps somethinkfor devel/build server or so on)
Dec 21 10:30:51 <hrw|work> greentux: better offer zecke build server for his autobuild tests
Dec 21 10:31:09 <hrw|work> greentux: starting from Feb I will do fulltime OE for one company
Dec 21 10:31:28 <greentux> hrw|work: ok and then you have no more time as "buildmaster"?
Dec 21 10:31:36 <greentux> or release manager... sorry
Dec 21 10:32:21 <hrw|work> greentux: I will do builds then too but does not yet know will I get access to some machiens or not.
Dec 21 10:32:42 <hrw|work> greentux: and currently I have amd64/3500+ available for own usage in US
Dec 21 10:33:32 <greentux> hrw|work: ok, understand. whats the main focus of your new job? which targets?
Dec 21 10:34:39 <hrw|work> greentux: probably arm 'not-yet-released-to-public'
Dec 21 10:34:48 <hrw|work> s/arm/arm base
Dec 21 10:34:49 <hrw|work> d
Dec 21 10:35:52 <greentux> ok will ask zecke in #oe
Dec 21 10:36:15 <hrw|work> 21 12:02 < zecke> off to class
Dec 21 12:21:26 <marcb4242> I just figured out that my (quite old) phone ericsson T39 doesn't drop the GPRS connection while answering a voice call.
Dec 21 12:21:32 <marcb4242> As I'm not familiar with the GSM stack: is this something to be expected from the neo1973 too?
Dec 21 12:22:29 <buz> depends on the chip i believe
Dec 21 12:22:52 <marcb4242> does anybody have tested that with his phone?
Dec 21 12:24:56 <marcb4242> the gsm V.110 connections are rather unstable -not more than a few minutes- but gprs lasts for hours
Dec 21 12:25:58 <marcb4242> I wonder  how others here go online mobile, how and what are the experiences in terms of connection stability?
Dec 21 12:26:15 <koen> marcb4242: depends on the phone and the carrier
Dec 21 12:26:18 <marcb4242> how = gprs or csd/v.110
Dec 21 12:26:47 <koen> my siemens s55 kept gprs open, but no packets would flow
Dec 21 12:26:48 <marcb4242> koen: do you go online with your n770 plus phone?
Dec 21 12:26:55 <koen> marcb4242: yes
Dec 21 12:27:29 <marcb4242> no packets would flow = connection effectively cut?
Dec 21 12:27:56 <koen> sort of
Dec 21 12:28:27 <marcb4242> that happens to me with the csd/v.110. Which is worse as it is billed per minute
Dec 21 12:28:29 <koen> no packets dropped, but a big latency 
Dec 21 12:29:24 <marcb4242> I have experienced that big latency too. Much higher than ping times of 800-900ms would let expect
Dec 21 12:30:30 <marcb4242> maybe -in the case of web traffic- due to transparent proxying by the operators?
Dec 21 12:32:40 <koen> webtraffic?
Dec 21 12:32:42 <koen> ssh :)
Dec 21 12:33:02 <marcb4242> unusably slow here 
Dec 21 12:33:23 <koen> ssh -C works wonders
Dec 21 12:35:30 <marcb4242> can one tell ssh to submit data on the command line line-wise instead of char by char? That used to work with telnet with the LINMODE option
Dec 21 12:40:30 <greentux> marcb4242: while recieving a phone call, gprs should beon status "waiting".
Dec 21 12:40:42 <greentux> some tcp connections will die after timeouts
Dec 21 12:41:46 <marcb4242> greentux: waiting is good, as that would prevent the penalty for a new login into the operator (minimum charges per connection)
Dec 21 12:42:26 <greentux> yes... right, but most operators have a charge by day or flatrate...
Dec 21 12:42:42 <marcb4242> where do you live? :-)
Dec 21 12:43:06 <greentux> germany
Dec 21 12:43:48 <greentux> with umts you can have the call and data same timre
Dec 21 12:43:54 <marcb4242> just saw that http://www.heise.de/mobil/artikel/82232/3 on heise. does not look like flatrate or sharge by day...
Dec 21 12:44:06 <marcb4242> s/sharge/charge/
Dec 21 12:44:07 <apt> marcb4242 meant: just saw that http://www.heise.de/mobil/artikel/82232/3 on heise. does not look like flatrate or charge by day...
Dec 21 12:44:20 <greentux> i have Web'n'Walk Medium
Dec 21 12:44:44 <greentux> its "near" flatrate... (with gprs speed)
Dec 21 12:44:59 <greentux> or try base or o2, they have real flats
Dec 21 12:45:15 <marcb4242> okay, but that still means you have to take it in chunks of 100KB
Dec 21 12:45:41 <marcb4242> so it is a big advantage if the connection doesn't get dropped
Dec 21 12:45:55 <greentux> yes AFTER the included traffic
Dec 21 12:47:34 <marcb4242> that's different here (france). even the included volume has to be taken in minimum chunks. so every effort to keep the connection is worth money.
Dec 21 12:47:58 <greentux> mmh ok.
Dec 21 12:48:57 <marcb4242> except that my providers software currently doesn't charge me at all for my gprs traffic. must be a bug :-)
Dec 21 12:59:33 <buz> mine wants 30? for 2GB a month
Dec 21 12:59:58 <buz> i'd pay 10? for 500MB
Dec 21 13:07:54 <hrw|work> 7.5 eur for 50MB
Dec 21 13:09:47 <greentux> 25 flat in germany...
Dec 21 13:12:36 <buz> flat as in FLAT or as in as long you stay under XGB?
Dec 21 13:12:55 <buz> if it really was UMTS flat, i might drop cable altogether
Dec 21 13:13:20 <greentux> flat is flat (called BASE in germany)
Dec 21 13:13:27 <greentux> add. 25 € is flat phone
Dec 21 13:21:48 <marcb4242> I get here for 6EUR 10MB or for 70EUR 5000MB. Nothing in between.
Dec 21 14:24:59 <seemant> good ${time_of_day} everyone
Dec 21 14:25:05 <hrw|work> ~ugt
Dec 21 14:25:08 <apt> ugt is, like, Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Dec 21 14:25:08 <seemant> is there a faq of some sort for this thing?
Dec 21 14:25:09 <hrw|work> morning seemant 
Dec 21 14:25:30 <seemant> specifically, when is this neo1973 thing available for retail?
Dec 21 14:25:46 <seemant> and when is the bluetooth/wifi version available? that's the one I really want
Dec 21 14:26:25 <koen> seemant: see topic
Dec 21 14:26:46 <stefan_schmidt> seemant: No date for other the the first version.
Dec 21 14:26:55 <stefan_schmidt> s/the/then/
Dec 21 14:26:55 <apt> stefan_schmidt meant: seemant: No date for othenr the the first version.
Dec 21 14:26:59 <seemant> koen: the list thing?
Dec 21 14:27:08 <koen> no, the complete topic
Dec 21 14:27:23 <seemant> ah, I missed the ETA bit
Dec 21 14:27:24 <seemant> thanks
Dec 21 14:27:39 <seemant> saw the url and the lists thing
Dec 21 14:28:22 <seemant> lemme ask this -- does it sync well with evo?
Dec 21 14:29:31 <stefan_schmidt> seemant: What'S evo?
Dec 21 14:29:49 <koen> I guess eva's brother
Dec 21 14:30:39 <seemant> sorry, evolution
Dec 21 14:30:42 <stefan_schmidt> koen: You read to much in the bible. ;)
Dec 21 14:30:49 <seemant> the mail client thingy thing in gnome
Dec 21 14:31:06 <stefan_schmidt> seemant: It uses the eveolution data server for contact storage. So it should. :)
Dec 21 14:31:14 <seemant> stefan_schmidt: sweeet
Dec 21 14:31:21 <seemant> are they taking pre-orders yet?
Dec 21 14:31:25 <stefan_schmidt> no
Dec 21 14:33:16 <seemant> too bad
Dec 21 14:33:24 <seemant> it's rather exciting
Dec 21 14:33:37 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Dec 21 14:34:54 <koen> stupid chanserv
Dec 21 14:35:17 <stefan_schmidt> tell him who is the boss
Dec 21 14:36:24 <seemant> so let me ask you this -- is there or is there not going to be bluetooth on the first phones?
Dec 21 14:36:37 <seemant> I'm a little unclear, though still reading the list archives
Dec 21 14:36:48 <hrw|work> seemant: notdecided yet officially
Dec 21 14:37:56 <stefan_schmidt> seemant: looks better for it as some weeks ago, but no official statement. I'm pretty sure they will announce this on the ml if it is decided.
Dec 21 14:38:06 <koen> and openmoko.com
Dec 21 14:38:15 <stefan_schmidt> of course
Dec 21 14:39:38 <seemant> ok great
Dec 21 14:39:43 <seemant> thanks for the info guys :)
Dec 21 14:39:52 <seemant> I think I'll stay in here a while, if that's ok
Dec 21 14:40:08 <stefan_schmidt> feel like home
Dec 21 14:42:15 <seemant> thanks :)
Dec 21 15:32:37 <hrw|work> [g2]: hi
Dec 21 15:32:50 <[g2]> hey hrw|work 
Dec 21 15:33:04 <hrw|work> [g2]: did you had a look at chroot?
Dec 21 15:33:27 <[g2]> I think I dl'ed it but didn't get a chance to try it it yet :(
Dec 21 15:34:01 <hrw|work> [g2]: ok, just wanted to know as I will be offline for most of rest of year
Dec 21 15:34:22 <[g2]> ok when are you heading offline ?
Dec 21 15:34:42 <hrw|work> today evening - have to pack and tomorrow 9h travel to parents
Dec 21 15:35:15 <[g2]> ok
Dec 21 15:35:18 <hrw|work> [g2]: I will maybe be able to get online during saturday - but for mail checking rather then irc
Dec 21 15:35:29 <[g2]> nod.
Dec 21 16:57:18 <hrw|work> happy Xmas everybody
Dec 21 16:58:57 <koen> hrw|work: enjoy your holidays
Dec 21 18:29:36 <seemant> hrw|gone|xmas: happy christmas
Dec 21 19:41:55 <noidd> wb
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