**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 30 02:59:58 2006 Dec 30 05:23:09 Battery powered USB hub: http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Power-Battery-Powered-CP-H420MP/dp/B0002UQALQ Dec 30 05:24:34 I wonder if this could be used to charge and also to connect any USB device (if later, then could get camera, external keyboard (twiddler for example), wifi, bluetooth, card reader, external hard disk, etc...) Dec 30 10:54:44 * yacc starts his daily whining about not being able to enter his creditcard informations on fic.com.tw yet ;) Dec 30 10:56:51 * amarsh04 would like to see a project that uses openmoko, opengraphics and linuxbios (-: Dec 30 10:58:16 among the things I'd like to see is a cheap ready-built battery-powered usb power injector on the store shelves Dec 30 11:09:34 * yacc wonders what unpowered USB means. Basically, what can be connected to it? Dec 30 11:10:04 something that has its own battery Dec 30 11:10:34 it can act in both device mode and host mode. as device it can connect i.e. to a pc Dec 30 11:10:48 w/o any additional battery of course Dec 30 11:10:57 Well, what about memory sticks? Dec 30 11:11:16 they do generally require power to operate, no? Dec 30 11:11:57 yacc: question is a faq. they need power and don't work on an unpowered host Dec 30 11:12:21 So basically one can connect a powered hub to it, and that's it? Dec 30 11:12:51 in host mode yeah Dec 30 11:12:53 if you want to connect devices and the phone acting as host then the answer is yes Dec 30 11:13:06 (or something through a power injector, which I mentioned before) Dec 30 11:13:20 but you can with a battery powered hub connect a printer to it :) Dec 30 11:13:59 instructions for building power injectors can be found on the web, dunno if somebody manufactures them... Dec 30 11:14:08 not uncool to go into any office and print on their printers straight from the phone Dec 30 11:14:23 generally they seem to be thought for the nokia 770, which apparently shares the unpowered usb trait Dec 30 11:14:40 mjr: there is one available on amazon for ~15 bucks Dec 30 11:15:17 mjr: well, it's simple. You take an USB power supply (these you can get as mobile chargers for any USB device) plus one Y power cable, as one usually gets with 2.5" drive enclosures. Dec 30 11:17:16 yacc, mmh, point Dec 30 11:17:41 and adapters galore Dec 30 11:33:17 mjr: Still that doesn't solve the question when the phones will be available *whine* Dec 30 11:33:45 * yacc wonders if he should script his whining. Guess no, fast way to get on many ignore lists ;) Dec 30 11:34:39 yacc: everytime you whine add one to the release date to you. :) Dec 30 11:35:34 s/one/one day/ Dec 30 11:35:34 stefan_schmidt meant: yacc: everytime you whine add one day to the release date to you. :) Dec 30 11:35:38 stefan_schmidt: Well, in February my work load should get lower, so other phones will get more interesting ;) Dec 30 11:36:11 fine, it's your choice Dec 30 11:36:17 s/stefan.*/apt is a stupid bot?/ Dec 30 11:36:40 stefan_schmidt: I'd prefer something officially supported ;) Dec 30 11:37:53 apt is a stupid bot: Dec 30 11:38:04 s{s a{s really a{ Dec 30 11:38:28 yacc: wait not whine Dec 30 12:11:48 those nokia 770 power injectors somehow seem to send power to the phone as well Dec 30 12:11:54 not sure why exactly they would do that Dec 30 12:26:53 13:53:40 -!- Irssi: New peak in #openmoko@freenode : 78 Dec 30 13:18:05 has anyone noticed that mobile handsets are unduly fussy about MP3 files? I had to load and re-export some files in audacity for them to play right through on a Samsung SGH-A501 Dec 30 13:19:16 Simply being able to have robust (and upgradable) codecs in the FIC handset would be great Dec 30 13:19:29 buz, in some instructions there was a note that it for some reason needed that to work *shrug* Dec 30 13:19:59 amarsh04: lets hope FIC has a mp3 license.... Dec 30 13:20:23 actually, I hope FIC doesn't have an mp3 license, but won't blame them much if they do ;] Dec 30 13:20:45 mjr: their best bet is to use the fluendo mp3 codec Dec 30 13:20:53 are there any mp3 players with phone capabilities? Dec 30 13:20:58 since fluendo bought a license for the whole world :) Dec 30 13:21:11 koen, actually it doesn't cover embedded devices Dec 30 13:21:42 desktops, yes, laptops, hmm, probably, don't recall for sure, phones, nu-huh Dec 30 13:22:50 ogg support would be fine for those who want unencumbered audio support Dec 30 13:24:01 I just wouldn't rather pay for an mp3 license; I'd probably install the mp3 codec myself though since even if I prefer vorbis I do have some mp3s as well Dec 30 13:24:16 * koen has an ipod to play music Dec 30 13:24:35 libmad? Dec 30 13:24:47 i use wavpack Dec 30 13:24:51 pity is has no device support :( Dec 30 13:25:19 * mjr has his ol' N-Gage which plays mp3, but haven't used it much for that Dec 30 13:26:08 luckily I got that soldered back into working order this fall, didn't have to get a short-term replacement before Neo Dec 30 13:27:46 (dropped it, and the power switch, which is surface-soldered on the board and which is pushed sideways by the power button, fell off) Dec 30 13:29:45 * amarsh04 is still in mourning for his Nokia 3810 - it lasted from 1997 to a week or so ago... using a borrowd Nokia 1100 at the moment Dec 30 20:57:58 has there been any new info out on this phone since the initial posting? its almost january? Dec 30 20:58:19 heh a January release date usually means Feb 1 :-) Dec 30 20:58:45 (at the earliest) Dec 30 20:58:57 yeah but info would be good so close Dec 30 20:59:30 sign up for updates and then send out nothing Dec 30 20:59:42 I would suggest looking in the community mailing list archive (but only at messages from Sean for the real info) Dec 30 21:00:51 AFAIK, there are no changes from whats in the initial posting. wifi is still out and BT is still undecided (the rumour is that it depends on fixing bugs in BT whether it's in or not) Dec 30 21:05:24 if they dont have one of them this thing is doomed Dec 30 21:07:28 not doomed Dec 30 21:07:38 they have a big goverment contract with the chinese goverment Dec 30 21:07:55 so whatever they produce it will sell well Dec 30 21:08:05 but wont appal to any market Dec 30 21:08:38 sure it will. it runs windows too. Dec 30 21:08:52 and still no connectivity Dec 30 21:09:14 my motorola a780 has no functional bluetooth and sells pretty good Dec 30 21:09:19 but for our purposes this doesnt have to be available at launch Dec 30 21:09:29 and its not 400 bucks Dec 30 21:09:47 no, my moto was 500 euros Dec 30 21:09:50 * so_solid_moo suspects fic know their market well enough to know what will sell Dec 30 21:10:31 yay fanboys - gonna have to find CONSUMERS Dec 30 21:10:49 who needs a market with a big goverment contract? Dec 30 21:11:06 indeed Dec 30 21:11:18 you dont if thats all you do and if so dont go spreading shit to the community and posting a website Dec 30 21:11:34 thats a bit harsh.. Dec 30 21:11:40 digitalslave: any particular reason why you're so bitter? Dec 30 21:12:11 oh dear Dec 30 21:12:16 websites are bad Dec 30 21:12:19 * koen makes a note on that Dec 30 21:12:23 not bitter at all just hearing one sided bs Dec 30 21:12:51 digitalslave: there's no 'side' until something is launched, go wait until that's done. Dec 30 21:13:24 seriously as a CONSUMER there are plenty of devices WITH connectivity for less then 400 Dec 30 21:13:37 go buy a consumer handset then Dec 30 21:13:41 :) Dec 30 21:13:48 digitalslave: As a CONSUMER, you should get off a developer channel and do what timtimred suggests. Dec 30 21:14:03 ahaha and the assumptions already Dec 30 21:14:19 well as your a CONSUMER i assumed you were one. Dec 30 21:14:20 digitalslave: you're the one using dem bad words - read the topic Dec 30 21:14:23 * koen looks at the assumed topic Dec 30 21:14:42 * Stephmw sighs sadly... trolls everywhere Dec 30 21:14:49 Stephmw: I think he means we made the assumption that the topic is correct Dec 30 21:15:22 koen: he just doesn't have faith. Dec 30 21:15:33 and its channel trolls like these that push people away from a crappy dev community Dec 30 21:15:41 koen: I *BELIEVE* in the topic! Repeat after be bruthas, BELIEVE! Dec 30 21:15:52 i have tons of faith but i make one statement and you guys go ape shit Dec 30 21:15:54 ~hail the topic Dec 30 21:15:55 * apt bows down to the topic and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Dec 30 21:16:03 digitalslave: this is the community! apart from the mailing list Dec 30 21:16:12 digitalslave: I think the point is that, this phone won't appeal to everyone, and you'll have to decide whether or not you want one when it comes out. Dec 30 21:16:13 digitalslave: I haven't actually - but you've been pretty confrontational - you get as you give out. Dec 30 21:16:28 apt: botsnack Dec 30 21:16:28 thanks, koen Dec 30 21:17:26 haha i say this phone is doomed if it has no connectivity and that is precieved as confrontational?? aw did i shatter some hopes and dreams? Dec 30 21:17:58 digitalslave: confrontational is swearing - check your own logs Dec 30 21:18:09 by the way i am a software developer and very interested in this phone - would just like not to see this dream that has been tried again and again fail Dec 30 21:18:16 digitalslave: confrontational is nitpicking a product which isn't launched yet Dec 30 21:18:48 haha the two letters bs?? Dec 30 21:19:00 just ignore :) Dec 30 21:19:08 ignore whom? :) Dec 30 21:19:08 Stephmw: like http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000928.html ? Dec 30 21:19:13 everyone!!! Dec 30 21:19:13 digitalslave: no, look harder. Dec 30 21:19:54 koen: ahh Dec 30 21:20:36 Stephmw: I couldn't resist replying: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000930.html Dec 30 21:20:55 koen: haha Dec 30 21:21:28 and again crappy comments like that *shakes head* Dec 30 21:22:01 i dont care if the connectivity works at launch. i'll stuff data down it using AT commands if i have to. Dec 30 21:22:02 koen: I'll start keeping up with the ml when it gets closer to release - atm there's too much 'blue sky' posting... or senseless FUDding Dec 30 21:22:15 Stephmw: FPGA!!!!!! Dec 30 21:22:17 im out if all you guys can do is take contructional information and simply post its not out Dec 30 21:22:33 * Stephmw holds the door open... Dec 30 21:22:37 horay! hes out Dec 30 21:22:45 * Stephmw cheers Dec 30 21:22:58 so anyway... it's doomed, right? Dooomed! Dec 30 21:23:04 doooooooomed! Dec 30 21:23:13 * Stephmw stops looking at the VistaOnMoko promotional material Dec 30 21:23:53 it's amazing how many people want to buy these developer devices (greenphone/first zaurus/etc) and expect it to be consumer-friendly Dec 30 21:24:14 hell, one day we should just ship em a breadboard proto Dec 30 21:24:20 if it can't act as a remote control for my sky TV box, it won't succeed in the marketplace Dec 30 21:24:25 any idiot knows that. Dec 30 21:24:43 it has to have a FPGA Dec 30 21:25:05 koen: it does! You're just not cranking up the prommer voltage high enough. Dec 30 21:25:05 otherwise I can't mute the headphones Dec 30 21:25:31 koen: hit 10kv and the smoke is a sure sign the erase cycle is proceeding Dec 30 21:27:19 ah Dec 30 21:28:27 Stephmw: I think I'll unsunscribe from the list at release time Dec 30 21:29:09 Stephmw: development will happen in OE (and hence #oe and #openmoko), so no need to endure post from people too lazy to google Dec 30 21:29:37 koen: there is that Dec 30 21:33:44 my interest will definately perk up when there's a usable JVM on the platform Dec 30 21:34:26 * koen hints at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000884.html Dec 30 21:51:20 it will fail without v8 Dec 30 21:51:22 repeat after me Dec 30 21:51:38 and it needs a cup holder, of course Dec 30 21:52:58 it has that, you just need to glue it to the case (it might look like a cdrom) Dec 30 21:55:15 but is it IBM PC compatible? Dec 30 21:55:30 i'm sure you can run qemu on it Dec 30 21:58:11 and someone will surely port doom to it Dec 30 21:58:18 so theres no real need for ibm pc Dec 30 21:59:24 I wonder, what with the doom controls... Dec 30 21:59:29 well, there's the usb Dec 30 21:59:40 multi touchscreen Dec 30 21:59:41 Doom? We need sopwith, paratroopers and arcade volleyball. It has proper CGA color-control right? Dec 30 21:59:43 tap to shoot Dec 30 21:59:59 sopwith! Dec 30 22:00:01 yes Dec 30 22:01:04 the phone needs sopwith or it'll die Dec 30 22:02:52 sopwith without hardware keys would be fun ;) Dec 30 22:03:13 I was thinking the same, sopwith with a pure touchscreen is a challenge. :) Dec 30 22:03:47 Tap to set a new target, drag to release a bomb, and tap-tap-tap to fire? :) Dec 30 22:07:29 I guess this channel really could use a pair of bots. One announcing releasedates by rolling dice and one scrying features through the powers of the magic eightball. Dec 30 22:09:34 "Will it have bluetooth?" "Outlook not so good.", "The Neo1973 will be released the 1d31 = 21th 1d3 = january." Dec 30 22:11:36 outlook is shit Dec 30 22:11:58 at least outlook express supports threaded mailview Dec 30 22:13:02 Demitar: problems will be if you get 31st february ;) Dec 30 22:14:00 viq: Perhaps if we pool all our leap-seconds we can work around that? :) Dec 30 22:14:41 Demitar: be careful, with that we may make 35th work too ;) Dec 30 22:15:26 viq: Well, would it be a workday or a holiday? Dec 30 22:15:52 Would it be a day? ;) Dec 30 22:18:04 You mean we might only have enough seconds to fill half the day, so we'd all have to go to work during the night and sleep during the day? *gasps* Dec 30 22:20:50 Who knows, with dates like that ;) Dec 31 01:26:01 If the phone cannot be implanted in my head...it is doomed! Dec 31 01:26:23 ~yeah right Dec 31 01:26:36 You don't believe me? You don't fucking believe me?! BELIEVE, BIATCH! Dec 31 01:27:06 apt: nice Dec 31 01:27:09 somebody said nice was prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). Dec 31 01:28:17 apt: nice is also the openmoko phone Dec 31 01:28:19 * apt lowers is also the openmoko phone's priority **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 31 02:59:57 2006