**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 31 02:59:57 2006 Dec 31 10:09:05 morning doomed koen ;) Dec 31 10:09:19 hey greentux :) Dec 31 10:09:39 hope You didnt dream of doomed phones... Dec 31 10:15:04 * buz must have missed something last night Dec 31 10:16:22 buz: you didn't :) Dec 31 10:16:32 the phone is doomed without a v8 engine Dec 31 10:16:35 and cupholders Dec 31 10:16:38 dooooooooooooooooomed Dec 31 10:18:21 oh yes Dec 31 10:18:23 of course Dec 31 10:20:03 i still wonder if i should buy it ;) Dec 31 10:20:13 i'd be mighty pissed if a wifi version were to come in march or april Dec 31 10:21:24 I really laughed at the "FIC is evil because they posted a website" comment Dec 31 10:21:48 buz: no you'll laught about the people whose battery lifetime is below 1h :) Dec 31 10:22:20 ah right, it's an asian phone Dec 31 10:22:34 touchscreen + flashy games = success Dec 31 10:22:44 koen: so the battery lifetime would be <1h even without wifi? Dec 31 10:22:54 probably Dec 31 10:23:11 if it were designed to be actually useable it would have had a keypad Dec 31 10:23:18 * koen coughs Dec 31 10:23:45 koen: you can attach an usb keyboard Dec 31 10:23:59 * jannic wonders if there are usb batteries available Dec 31 10:27:08 jannic: there are Dec 31 10:27:12 at prices you wont buy them Dec 31 10:27:44 not entirely sure what a 3.6v usb battery does help with anyway Dec 31 10:27:57 a battery powered usb stick would be kinda handy Dec 31 10:28:02 wait a minute Dec 31 10:28:07 my ipod has a battery Dec 31 10:28:09 mhhhhhh Dec 31 10:28:36 i know the hd ipod can run from unpowered ports Dec 31 10:28:43 maybe the shuffle can do so too Dec 31 10:29:00 or those cheap 2gb usb stick cum mp3 player Dec 31 10:45:01 buz: I thought about a usb connected battery that powers the phone :) Dec 31 10:45:21 might work Dec 31 10:46:19 but I wasn't too serious Dec 31 10:57:10 * koen mumbles something about annoying six year olds playing with fireworks Dec 31 10:59:17 thats generally a sign that the fireworks they use just isnt powerful enough Dec 31 11:00:02 no, they are just really lucky Dec 31 11:00:17 the stuff they use would blow off a large part of my hand Dec 31 11:00:28 well more blackpowder = even more luck needed Dec 31 11:00:43 besides you can launch the stuff with one hand Dec 31 11:00:47 so blowing off hands aint enough Dec 31 11:01:05 I never understood what's so cool about the stuff that goes 'boom' Dec 31 11:01:12 oh i do Dec 31 11:01:27 it plays on the same level as blinken lights Dec 31 11:01:31 * koen likes the pretty colour and sparkles Dec 31 11:01:33 we dont really know why it's cool but it is Dec 31 11:10:25 * koen wonders what kind of cam v2 will have Dec 31 11:20:13 and more importantly, if the it will be automagically geotagged Dec 31 11:22:19 that should be simple enough Dec 31 11:22:51 if v2 gets cam and wifi i think i wait for it Dec 31 11:34:52 koen: And you complain about my whining, when you whine about the V2 ;) Dec 31 11:36:27 buz: Do you know that you need wifi? Wifi seems such a bother even on the Nokia, and it does have a basically sensible way to deal with multiple routes to the internet. Dec 31 11:53:15 mighty idea, let it have a small usb mini connector on a short cable to plug into the phone and a second ordinary USB A host connector in the battery case which data lines are connected to the mini connector Dec 31 11:54:10 that way it can power the neo, or any other USB equipment like ipods, etc... and it can even allow the neo to be usb host for these devices and just deliver the power... Dec 31 12:46:45 yacc: i just want wifi Dec 31 12:46:49 surfing on the couch and stuff like that Dec 31 12:47:05 buy a 770 Dec 31 12:47:13 thats too big to take to uni etc Dec 31 12:47:20 and because of the prices for gprs, i wont have that active ever anyway Dec 31 12:47:57 you will not find the all in one device :) Dec 31 12:49:11 there are no flat rates in swiss? Dec 31 12:49:23 well there's 30E 2gb packages Dec 31 12:49:34 i might get a 10? 500mb package Dec 31 12:49:39 but there are none of those Dec 31 12:50:56 ok we have flat rates here in germany... Dec 31 12:51:07 well they call the 2gb things flatrates Dec 31 12:51:19 but for 30? i want REAL flatrate Dec 31 12:51:45 25 euro flat Dec 31 12:51:51 yeah i might pay that Dec 31 12:52:05 you dont live at basel? :) Dec 31 12:52:07 would still be kinda hard to justify it tho Dec 31 12:52:10 I woked there Dec 31 12:53:34 near zurich Dec 31 12:53:48 (on a global scale, thats still near basel ;) Dec 31 12:56:36 ok You have to wait... Dec 31 15:17:16 buz: As I've noticed, for email/surfing/chatting 250MB a month seems plenty. At least at (E)GPRS speeds. Dec 31 15:18:10 buz: I can understand you quite well, because my own insistance on a flatrate led me a year ago to a Sidekick (being the only device with a flat rate) ;) Dec 31 15:19:22 yeah, 250M is a lot if you're not a very heavy user Dec 31 15:19:49 I used to have a 100M plan and it was well and good for most of the time, though I did have to watch it a bit sometimes which was inconvenient Dec 31 15:20:05 (now I have a cheaper flat rate provider ;] ) Dec 31 15:23:22 yacc: no sim-only subscribtions available? Dec 31 15:32:09 mjr: I'm a heavy user. But between the combination of GPRS/EDGE speeds, the limits of a handheld device, one uses what one needs and not more. Dec 31 15:32:22 mjr: UMTS with a laptop is quite a different beast ;) Dec 31 15:34:02 indeed I haven't had to look out much with the phone itself, but only when I used it for laptop connectivity Dec 31 15:34:18 koen: Well, simcard only would be no use, as the Sidekicks use not the usual Internet APN => it's a completly closed system, and the flatrate applied only to usage with a Sidekick. Dec 31 15:35:22 (or desktop, for that matter, but that was only when we moved and getting ADSL took its time) Dec 31 15:36:03 Oh, the latency additionally kills any fun in working with the mobile "Internet" ;) Dec 31 15:36:47 * koen uses EDGE over bluetooth with his powerbook Dec 31 15:36:50 well, I'm less picky about that than most Dec 31 15:37:16 It does bother me, sure, but not that much. Better to have _some_ connectivity than none. Dec 31 15:38:13 ssh -C is somewhat useable with edge Dec 31 15:38:19 it's horrid with gprs Dec 31 15:40:08 see, your problem is that you've standards Dec 31 15:40:29 (or that you mistype a lot, or both ;) Dec 31 15:40:36 :) Dec 31 15:46:44 koen: GPRS and EDGE have the same miserable latency :( Dec 31 15:47:01 mjr: Or that one needs to access the boxes via a VPN. Dec 31 16:39:26 hello Dec 31 16:44:16 Anyone know when the FIC phone is going to be released and how to get one? Dec 31 16:44:40 see topic :) Dec 31 16:46:10 That's not very descriptive. January is tomorrow. Dec 31 16:46:40 of course it means that on 01-31 you will be able to input your preorder Dec 31 16:49:54 a carefull reader will notice that this channel is about the software Dec 31 16:50:03 and hence a 'ETA' is about the software Dec 31 16:50:21 * koen still assumes software and hardware get released at the same time Dec 31 16:53:36 * Stephmw comforts koen Dec 31 16:53:52 koen: optimism can be such a debilitating affliction :) Dec 31 16:54:20 JayeAeotiv: January 2007 is as detailed as anyone save for FIC knows atm Dec 31 16:54:50 JayeAeotiv: could be worse - could have said Q1 or even 1H Dec 31 16:54:58 yeah Dec 31 16:55:23 or as TT does these days... RSN Dec 31 16:55:27 * Stephmw sighs at TT Dec 31 16:55:29 Oh well, I'll figure it out. Dec 31 20:43:22 * yacc thinks he will start the new year with whining ;) Dec 31 23:01:35 Happy 2007 Dec 31 23:10:01 it0s january, so where can i order? Dec 31 23:10:01 SCNR Dec 31 23:10:12 heh Dec 31 23:10:15 happy new year everybody Dec 31 23:10:40 buz: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/000960.html :) Dec 31 23:10:42 happy new year all Dec 31 23:11:04 damn i'm late Dec 31 23:11:06 ah well Dec 31 23:11:13 at least the champagne was very good this year Dec 31 23:11:37 you beat me by 8 fucking minutes Dec 31 23:12:02 :D Dec 31 23:12:40 heh - 10am here, just waking up Dec 31 23:13:06 31st or 1st? Dec 31 23:13:11 1st Dec 31 23:13:22 rwhitby is cheating Dec 31 23:13:23 no headache? Dec 31 23:13:36 * koen curses timezones Dec 31 23:13:41 small headache - not too bad Dec 31 23:13:55 time to take the kids to the beach. Dec 31 23:14:02 * buz switches to real drinks now Dec 31 23:14:17 not sure i envy or pity you Dec 31 23:14:42 beach good Dec 31 23:14:48 kids i dont like Dec 31 23:17:25 * buz wonders if he could subscribe to chinese calendar to avoid new year spam Dec 31 23:17:54 koen: now its the big boys' fireworks Dec 31 23:17:59 which is even worse, anyway Jan 01 00:06:54 Happy New Year ;-) Jan 01 01:22:56 happy new openmoko year! Jan 01 01:27:49 happy new year Jan 01 01:27:58 2007 will be the year of OpenMoko Jan 01 01:30:29 and to you too mickey|NYparty Jan 01 02:40:27 halo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 01 02:59:59 2007