**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 03 02:59:58 2007 Jan 03 03:00:12 hey is there any boy around ? Jan 03 03:00:19 hey is there any body around ? Jan 03 03:12:46 http://www.road-gmbh.de/en/produkte/index_02.html I wish that the next version looks like this Jan 03 03:13:20 this would be the linux geek nirvnah Jan 03 05:03:41 umm.. ROAD has only client USB mode, much more restricted than FIC Neo1973 Unpowered USB 1.1 client/host Jan 03 05:04:52 with USB host can get everything missing anyway, but can't extent ROAD that way (for example MIDI not possible in ROAD?) Jan 03 05:09:46 I wonder how open ROAD is? (is neo only truly open phone?) Jan 03 08:05:27 aloril: the only closed at the road is the wlan driver and some qtopia apps... Jan 03 08:40:00 greentux: which kind of qtopia apps are closed in ROAD? any idea of its price? any page with more info than http://www.road-gmbh.de/en/produkte/index_02.html ? Jan 03 08:50:09 Well fuck me, found a seller that is willing to ship the battery-powered hub to finland. The only shipping option costs $40. The hub $17. Jan 03 08:52:15 mjr: do you think it could do 2 things at same time: charge neo and act as battery powered usb hub? Jan 03 08:53:08 aloril: I tested a prototype..., dont know more about licensing Jan 03 08:54:30 aloril, I doubt a regular hub would send power to the Neo. A power injector could optionally do that too, especially homemade... Jan 03 08:55:14 generally the homemade instructions for the 770 seem to send power to the host device as well Jan 03 08:57:18 greentux: so you have complete control on where sound from microphone, from/to GSM goes, etc.. (to implement answering machine for example or dictation machine)? (I guess using external bluetooth gps is possible) Jan 03 08:57:49 mjr: ah, 770 has unpowered usb host mode too and is charged by usb (just like neo)? Jan 03 08:58:37 It has unpowered usb host, dunno about the charging, just that an instruction page noted that for some reason it wanted power to its port too for it to work. Dunno for certain, though, just second-hand info. Jan 03 08:59:41 aloril: yes Jan 03 09:11:56 greentux, mjr: thanks for answers Jan 03 11:36:50 hi room - just one question...is there already a release date for the fic neo 1763? Jan 03 11:37:47 Yes; January :] Jan 03 11:38:59 mjr: refine_release_date(January 2007)? Jan 03 11:39:14 I dunno, I'm just waiting like everybody else :) Jan 03 11:39:18 18:14:43 < xorAxAx> of course it means that on 01-31 you will be able to input your preorder Jan 03 11:39:42 dont expect anything different :) Jan 03 11:40:09 :( - ok thanks Jan 03 11:59:05 see topic :) Jan 03 12:50:30 *** viq (n=viq@2a01:b0:11b7:100:1:0:0:1) has joined channel #OpenMoko Jan 03 12:50:41 Look kids! An IPV6 user ! Jan 03 12:51:16 no, an ipv6 user who doesnt have enough resources for an entry in the reverse zone Jan 03 12:51:41 thats the first ipv6 user i've ever seen Jan 03 12:52:11 yeah, not many kindergartens have migrated to ipv6 yet Jan 03 12:53:16 I remember reporting bugs for opie-irc about wrong ipv6 support Jan 03 12:54:15 * noidd prys the knife out of his kidneys Jan 03 13:14:36 is there any phone with VGA or higher resolution except neo? (only nokia 770 has more resolution, but that is not phone (no GSM)) Jan 03 13:14:46 htc universal Jan 03 13:14:46 (looked only at nokia phones) Jan 03 13:16:54 xorAxAx: "or didn't bother yet" Jan 03 13:18:01 viq: hi FQD-nameless viq :) Jan 03 13:18:55 :P Jan 03 13:19:24 Usually it resolves to (something long).xs26.net, as I really didn't bother with setting my own dns yet ;) Jan 03 13:30:01 does any phone offer USB host mode (except neo)? Jan 03 13:33:11 htc universal? Jan 03 13:44:14 dunno, wiki page talks about client connector but .. anyway, htc universal is not open so its non starter in any case ;-) Jan 03 13:56:23 hmm.. sounds like by default its not enabled, but linux version supports it so hardware does support it for htc universal ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-286845.html http://www.pdagold.com/articles/detail.asp?a=257 ) Jan 03 14:21:00 usually most annoying missing feature in many gadgets is missing source code, I'm really happy to see this being fixed for mobile phones Jan 03 14:21:24 "except some of the modules" Jan 03 14:22:18 true, but even better would be to go software radio route than have source to those modules ;-) Jan 03 14:26:27 greentux: does ROAD have X11? or only qtopia? Jan 03 14:26:41 aloril: qtopia Jan 03 14:29:19 ouch, so neo is really the only game in town then for me Jan 03 14:30:38 koen: no, the topic doesnt help much Jan 03 14:40:02 aloril: alas, you wouldn't be able to hook up a software radio to GSM Jan 03 14:42:48 TDMA is a bit more complex than FM stereo Jan 03 14:44:29 there's also the likelihood of lawsuits if you're not using an approved (and locked down) radio stack on mobile networks - the FCC has teeth Jan 03 14:45:07 * amarsh04 wonders if people want to tweak the "hand-off" settings so that one doesn't start talking via the next cell unless the coverage is going to actually be better than the existing cell Jan 03 14:47:52 as with a dial-up modem, putting out an illegally strong signal could be outside of end user developed software control whilst still allowing most functionality to be within end-user developed software control Jan 03 14:49:06 amarsh04: that'd get the operators royally pissed off too - cell selection is under their control too Jan 03 14:49:47 amarsh04: base stations have limited numbers of slots - so it needs to be managed Jan 03 14:49:54 I don't like the fact that local roaming between carriers (except for emergency calls) does not happen in .au Jan 03 14:50:16 amarsh04: slot numbers and bandwidth allocation depends on hardware, local RF licenses, other operator allocations, etc Jan 03 14:53:12 .au had sms overload around midnight new year's day... my handset required manual resend attempts Jan 03 15:00:56 that's the case pretty much everywhere ;-) Jan 03 15:00:57 same in the UK Jan 03 15:01:07 and in .de Jan 03 15:01:32 sms text messages are stupid anyway Jan 03 15:01:42 1000 EUR per MB or something like that Jan 03 15:04:53 aloril, whats ROAD Jan 03 15:05:30 http://www.road-gmbh.de/en/produkte/index_02.html Jan 03 15:27:16 I think OpenMoKo is a bit competitor to OLPC Jan 03 15:27:41 aloril: I do not think so Jan 03 15:29:39 not much yet, but in further future it might be more Jan 03 15:30:08 not seeing it really Jan 03 15:33:03 well I see it this way: mobile phone penetration will increase reasonably fast Jan 03 15:33:07 does road finally ship their thing? Jan 03 15:33:20 hardware wise, it seems a sweet proposition Jan 03 15:33:35 tho reported price is far beyond anything i'd consider Jan 03 15:36:33 ie.. I consider it likely that people in developing countries will get mobile phone before 'normal PC/laptop' Jan 03 15:36:47 but they might get OLPC even before that Jan 03 15:38:26 a phone wont help a child use useful real life skills though as much. Jan 03 15:38:37 erm, learn Jan 03 15:38:40 i mean Jan 03 15:38:44 imho :) Jan 03 15:40:24 phones are vastly cheaper than the olpc Jan 03 15:40:38 there are phones that are sold at 40USD while people making profit these days Jan 03 15:40:42 (see motofone) Jan 03 15:40:48 open phone might help much more than closed phone ;-) Jan 03 15:41:03 supposedly motofone runs linux Jan 03 15:41:15 but i doubt you can use it for much more than calling and sms Jan 03 15:41:32 or 35 EUR in Finland for cheapest Nokia as new (and yeah, I think its basically just phone) Jan 03 15:41:33 even with hacked firmware Jan 03 15:42:54 i need a new gadget. Jan 03 15:43:22 should wait to see what macworld expo has to offer :) Jan 03 15:43:53 although ive been looking at that n770 Jan 03 15:44:30 and roombas! Jan 03 15:52:41 you could somehow integrate the neo and a roomba Jan 03 15:52:49 just think of it, GPS enabled vacuum cleaner Jan 03 15:53:19 you can Jan 03 15:54:09 the roomba can be controlled via a serial interface Jan 03 15:55:11 you'd just need a usb serial dongle (and power for it) Jan 03 15:56:34 We have Roomba programming as a part of our AI course here Jan 03 15:56:43 if the neo gets bluetooth, i think there are bluetooth to serial dongles Jan 03 15:57:22 they use a bluetooth dongle for remote control from a nearby linux box Jan 03 15:57:50 yes, as I said :) Jan 03 15:57:59 buz: they are. but are expensive Jan 03 15:59:01 buz: i have an old gsm module sitting around i could fit to one :) Jan 03 15:59:17 less than a Roomba ;) Jan 03 15:59:20 hmm, and a serial webcam. and an old gumstix. Jan 03 15:59:35 webcam? cam Jan 03 16:00:14 spying roomba lol Jan 03 16:00:38 use the wet cleaning roomba like thing and have it roam girls' showers Jan 03 16:01:00 heh Jan 03 16:01:15 possibly attach some fur to it Jan 03 16:01:19 for cutesy factor Jan 03 16:01:53 the wet cleaning one would actually be a neat thing here Jan 03 16:02:00 save for the cables running through the flat Jan 03 16:02:09 wet fur? nah :) Jan 03 16:02:44 "poor thing, you must be freezing" *hugsroomba* Jan 03 16:02:48 * mjr has a Roomba, bought for the SO as a (wished) birthday present Jan 03 16:02:56 haven't tried programming it though Jan 03 16:03:15 i fear it would hopelessly get lost here Jan 03 16:03:40 a cable just wouldn't work and the roomba-compatible bt dongle _is_ a bit much (what was it, like $100 or something) Jan 03 16:06:24 what can not work with a serial cable? Jan 03 16:06:28 doesnt really get any simpler than that Jan 03 16:10:01 I mean that one'd need a really long cable and it'd get all tangled up with the Roomba going around Jan 03 16:10:17 it would function, but not work ;) Jan 03 16:11:58 ah right Jan 03 16:12:10 the controller would have lay on top of the roomba maybe Jan 03 16:12:47 with a gumstix that might work Jan 03 16:13:12 that's an option (hence the neo+usb-rs232-dongle+roomba thingy would work ;) Jan 03 16:13:34 bluetooth gumstix + wii remote? Jan 03 16:13:48 here they even built small cradles on the roombas to house camera phones, so that the Roomba could gain vision Jan 03 16:14:22 for vision you'd definitely need more cpu than a phone could provide Jan 03 16:14:46 (or well, it's not really Roomba anymore, just a system that spinal taps into the Roomba's body and takes over ;) Jan 03 16:15:11 yeah, the pictures were transmitted over wlan to the controlling computers (did I mention the system is kludgy? :) Jan 03 16:17:35 sounds like it would be Jan 03 16:18:01 yeah, but some students did manage to go through an obstacle course with it rather impressively Jan 03 16:18:05 some were... less so Jan 03 16:19:05 hmm, we should have the Roomba Race videos somewhere, though I'm not sure if they're public Jan 03 16:19:20 (I narrate the races with some rambling and a mention of the Neo1973 ;) Jan 03 16:30:00 hmm, ive seen various different coloured mockups of the phone, i wonder what it will look like Jan 03 16:30:08 or if there will be a choice! Jan 03 16:30:26 it will come with a while case and a set of crayons Jan 03 16:30:39 s/while/white/ ... Jan 03 16:30:59 screen all around the phone, optimus-kbd style? Jan 03 16:31:29 the black/silver one looks better then the white ones i think. Jan 03 17:23:57 is the device shipping ? :P Jan 03 17:24:12 well, it seems not. Jan 03 17:24:33 nope, not quite yet Jan 03 21:58:02 hi mickey Jan 03 21:58:12 hey LaF0rge Jan 03 21:58:16 * mickey|bitbake bows to LaF0rge hardware skillz Jan 03 21:58:18 you are crazy Jan 03 21:58:20 :) Jan 03 21:59:09 mickey: well, you gotta know your stuff ;) Jan 03 21:59:35 it's like one huge jigsaw puzzle to sort out Jan 03 21:59:51 hehe Jan 03 22:00:09 some guys know how to make us burn a week of workload ;) Jan 03 22:01:34 * xkr47 bows before LaF0rge Jan 03 22:03:35 stop bowing, I don't even have a high school certificate ;) Jan 03 22:04:05 heh. you are one those guys who makes me reconsider what certificates are worth anyway Jan 03 22:04:58 LaF0rge: what was your cool kitchen wlan radio called again? Jan 03 22:05:05 mickey: allnet allsound Jan 03 22:05:08 ah right, thanks Jan 03 22:05:09 * mickey|bitbake googles Jan 03 22:05:35 mickey: now I need to find a quick source for small quantites of smd resistors in 0402 size, which seems sort of difficult Jan 03 22:05:52 smd resistors... /me shudders Jan 03 22:10:29 LaF0rge: do you have an URL handy to that indien pop station we were listening to ? Jan 03 22:15:17 mickey: www.radioteentaal.com Jan 03 22:15:24 thanks Jan 03 22:15:26 * mickey|bitbake tunes in Jan 03 22:23:41 teen? Jan 03 22:23:47 is it allowed in germany? Jan 03 22:24:57 heh Jan 03 22:32:21 xorAxAx: my guess is yes, since ther is little commercial interest in that music anyway. I doubt there woudl be any legal way how you could obtain most of that stuff. So nobody makes losses if you can't actually buy it Jan 03 22:32:44 sure :) Jan 03 22:54:15 humm ... very nice radio **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 04 03:00:02 2007