**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 06 02:59:59 2007 Jan 06 03:10:36 just stumbled across openmoko. what exactly will be closed-source? Jan 06 05:04:25 does one keeps a log ? Jan 06 05:04:39 I like to find out when the release will happen in Jan Jan 06 05:10:02 23:59 Jan 31, GMT-10 Jan 06 05:10:33 (that's what a January release means in press releases) Jan 06 05:17:01 will openmoko.org become 'live' Jan 06 05:17:07 at that point Jan 06 05:18:46 your guess is as good as anyone else's here ;-) Jan 06 11:08:17 is ther any date known when the neo1973 can be ordered? Jan 06 11:09:03 no Jan 06 11:09:18 see topic Jan 06 11:10:30 ok Thanx i'm just a little bit eager thats why Jan 06 11:12:44 so_solid_moo: of course Jan 06 16:35:40 hi Jan 06 16:44:49 when is openmoko coming out ? Jan 06 16:46:20 when phone will get released Jan 06 16:47:30 see topic Jan 06 16:56:13 maybe topic should say "ETA: January 31st 2007" ;) Jan 06 16:57:58 2007-01-31 23:59:59.99 Jan 06 17:07:23 pre Feb 1st. Jan 06 17:08:13 * koen still thinks 'march' would be a better ETA Jan 06 17:08:28 koen: "2007" :P Jan 06 17:08:50 yes. Jan 06 17:10:05 and Neo v2 was said to arrive at April-ish 2007? Or is this just false rumors? Jan 06 17:10:53 aevin: where did you read it? Jan 06 17:10:57 it sounds a bit incredible. but it depends of how much hardware changes there'll be etc... i guess it could be possible, if they wanted. Jan 06 17:11:11 phone before x-mas 2007 Jan 06 17:11:21 I suspect they have large parts of the v2 design already done Jan 06 17:11:23 so its ready to be bought as a gift Jan 06 17:11:24 xorAxAx: hm.. I'm not sure. was it mentioned on the mailing list by someone, perhaps? *scratch his head* Jan 06 17:11:57 :) Jan 06 17:13:40 koen: do you think there'll be any bluetooth in Neo v1? Jan 06 17:13:49 I think so Jan 06 17:13:58 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/geek-news Jan 06 17:14:20 i hope so. it would extend the possible areas of usage a lot. Jan 06 17:15:35 koen: OMG BLUETOOTH!!!!!111 ;-) Jan 06 17:24:42 does anyone know what languages the SDK will support at launch? Jan 06 17:51:02 V2 in april? i'm gonna wait Jan 06 17:51:19 rev a hardware in general isnt the best anyhow Jan 06 17:51:35 Knack: the sdk should pretty much support all languages i believe Jan 06 17:51:43 it's gtk 2.something Jan 06 17:52:37 2.6.x or 2.10.x Jan 06 17:52:45 cool, thanks! Jan 06 17:52:51 no v2 in 2007 Jan 06 17:53:10 one will be enough to keep me busy Jan 06 17:53:12 going out for dinner, bbl tonite Jan 06 17:53:25 cu mickey Jan 06 17:53:33 mickey: any news on the source packages? Jan 06 17:53:35 no v2 in 2007? Jan 06 17:53:43 might make me buy v1 Jan 06 17:54:22 but i'd be majorly pissed if there was a v2 with wifi in may or so Jan 06 17:54:39 no v2 in 2007? Jan 06 17:54:43 LaF0rge: yeah. inheriting src_distribute_local will put everything in tmp/deploy/sources, however the patches won't be associated to their respective source tarballs. We therefore have to write an own source distribution class to make it the way we want to, i.e. package a quilt series file Jan 06 17:54:44 straight to v3? Jan 06 17:55:02 mickey|bbl: source_pkg? Jan 06 17:55:34 mickey|bbl: you also want to account for add the sed magic that takes place Jan 06 17:56:16 *nod* Jan 06 17:57:14 mickey|bbl: have a look at classes/sourcepkg.bbclass Jan 06 19:24:49 hi Jan 06 19:28:17 Anyone knows if there are Plans to supply Bluetooth and/or UMTS enabled Models of the FIC Neo1973 ? Jan 06 19:29:29 ronny: yes, it will have bluetooth, no it wont have umts Jan 06 19:29:36 ronny: and no, it wont run pocoo Jan 06 19:29:44 out of the box Jan 06 19:30:28 xorAxAx: lol - i dont want to run pocoo on it - i just want to use it as remote for my pc Jan 06 19:30:41 btw - any chance it will support wlan ? Jan 06 19:30:50 not the 1973 one Jan 06 19:30:58 wich one will ? Jan 06 19:31:04 a newer one Jan 06 19:31:20 somehow they must get the geeks to upgrade their phones Jan 06 19:31:40 hmm Jan 06 19:31:49 umts support will be pretty hard Jan 06 19:31:58 i wont buy till there is a wlan or umts one Jan 06 19:32:00 only nokia an qualcomm have umts stacks iirc Jan 06 19:32:38 * stefan_schmidt heard rumors about umts in v2 Jan 06 19:33:13 well - i need at least wlan Jan 06 19:33:25 I need a v8 Jan 06 19:33:31 with a turbo Jan 06 19:33:35 inside my phone Jan 06 19:33:44 otherwise it won't make good phonecalls Jan 06 19:35:09 lol Jan 06 19:49:02 xorAxAx: Bluetooth is confirmed is it? I thought they were still keeping us guessing about that one... Jan 06 19:50:06 ericthefish: nobody knows :) Jan 06 19:52:39 I have had the impression that Bluetooth isn't in the first model but subsequent models would have it and wifi. That's my impression and I might be wrong. Jan 06 19:54:09 BT is _not_ confirmed for the shipping model Jan 06 19:54:32 it is confirmed, however, that they have _prototypes_ of the Neo1973 that have Bluetooth Jan 06 19:55:30 (and it is not confirmed that there isn't BT either) Jan 06 19:55:45 mjr: right Jan 06 19:56:04 nevertheless i bet that you wont be able to buy the dev in this month and that it will have bluetooth :) Jan 06 19:56:58 :/ Jan 06 19:56:58 I wouldn't bet against it Jan 06 19:57:12 i'd love to get one Jan 06 19:57:19 my old phone is allmost broken Jan 06 19:58:37 my n-gage isn't the epitome of health either Jan 06 19:58:54 had some trouble booting it the last time. Works for now, though... Jan 06 19:59:07 (that's the phone I've soldered the power switch back on already ;) Jan 06 20:11:36 my ngage is as broken ;P Jan 06 20:12:21 some vi users here? Jan 06 20:12:25 yeah Jan 06 20:13:57 bill joy today retired from sun microsystems. he was co-founder and he was the creator of vi. I just read a really cool interview with him from 1984. http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~kirkenda/joy84.html Jan 06 20:15:25 parts of it are really visionary - talking in 1984 of lcd-monitors, of mobile phones and kind of "mobile office" Jan 06 20:15:46 Vim is the editor of my choice. Jan 06 20:16:20 vi rocks! Jan 06 20:17:00 bill joy even had already implemented the multiple windows that came with vim 7.0! Jan 06 20:17:16 he just lost the source due to a harddisk crash! Jan 06 20:17:42 actually already in 1979! Jan 06 20:17:52 So... even the best of us don't backup. Jan 06 20:19:26 I guess very few people did backups in 1979 Jan 06 20:19:37 simply to expensive. Jan 06 20:22:32 memory was at $300 per MB. So I have $600.000 RAM here in my PC. Jan 06 20:30:18 koen: for what you need a umts stack for having umts in the phone? they use only a complete modul with /dev/tty or something Jan 06 20:30:49 greentux_alt: umts modules are pretty rare as well Jan 06 20:31:24 koen: thats another kind of problem Jan 06 20:31:37 koen: so you meant "stack" more as hardware Jan 06 20:32:13 yep Jan 06 20:32:21 http://www.sierrawireless.com/product/mc8775.aspx Jan 06 20:32:47 "MSM6280™ Mobile Station Modem™ chipset from QUALCOMM" Jan 06 20:32:57 yes right, but is available Jan 06 20:34:46 under 12g, thats great ... Jan 06 21:10:59 anyone around? Jan 06 21:12:01 I was just wondering if anyone had any specifics on when the phone would be released? Jan 06 21:12:14 rlozier: Jan 2007 is all Jan 06 21:13:06 any idea if the major US carriers are going to pick this one up? Jan 06 21:17:56 no Jan 06 21:20:40 * timtimred wills a message on the announce message to happen Jan 06 21:20:48 message? list! Jan 06 21:31:53 if we all will it to happen together... Jan 06 21:57:57 hello Jan 07 02:31:37 n800!!!! mmm! Jan 07 02:52:39 no way. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 07 02:59:58 2007