**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 21 03:00:03 2007
Jan 21 03:31:17 <bprice20> where can I get the sdk
Jan 21 03:31:34 <bprice20> I am interested in developing a sip based voip client
Jan 21 06:29:59 <orospakr> is it true that the 1973 lacks a headset jack?
Jan 21 06:35:26 <Agrajag-> orospakr: i don't think so - http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html, under Hardware: 2.5mm audio jack
Jan 21 06:36:10 <orospakr> huh. I wonder what all the /. people were complaining about.
Jan 21 06:36:18 <orospakr> I wonder if it can do stereo. I guess it must.
Jan 21 06:51:18 <noidd> D
Jan 21 08:47:07 <johnny67_> anyone knows how much will the shipping be to north america / europe?
Jan 21 08:47:45 <mikesh> no :/
Jan 21 08:57:15 <tnt__> It's a cell phone, it shouldn't be too heavy ...
Jan 21 08:59:47 <unlink> hahaha
Jan 21 09:00:30 <unlink> "Yeah, shipping will be, oh, international? Hmm... *click click click* fifty-four dollars."
Jan 21 09:01:24 <mikesh> to europe?
Jan 21 09:02:56 <johnny67_> well.. google click*click*click*...
Jan 21 09:03:15 <johnny67_> http://www.post.gov.tw/post/internet/u_english/postal_f_6_5.jsp#m
Jan 21 09:03:37 <johnny67_> ~25usd (assuming 1kg) if my math is right 
Jan 21 09:03:38 <rwhitby> it has been said that there will be an EU distribution point.
Jan 21 09:03:46 <apt> johnny67_: okay
Jan 21 09:03:50 <spikebik1> 1KG is a damn heavy phone
Jan 21 09:04:31 <johnny67_> yeah, but i don't suppose they will put a sticker with the destination address directly on the phone...
Jan 21 09:04:58 <johnny67_> anyway, quite acceptable even for 1kg
Jan 21 09:05:08 <johnny67_> and they say delivery in 4-5 days, which is also good
Jan 21 09:05:36 <unlink> what? 1kg?
Jan 21 09:05:47 <unlink> is this a tablet PC or a cell phone?
Jan 21 09:05:57 <buz> i dare to find you a 1kg tablet pc
Jan 21 09:06:01 <johnny67_> was talking about the shipping cost for 1kg
Jan 21 09:06:08 <buz> 1kg seems about right
Jan 21 09:06:13 <buz> with packaging et al
Jan 21 09:06:18 <unlink> well, the x40 without a battery is close to 1kg
Jan 21 09:06:31 <buz> you dont want a phone without battery now do you
Jan 21 09:07:11 <buz> you'll probably get it for 400USD with taxes, shipping and everything
Jan 21 09:07:14 <johnny67_> i would very much want one :-D a working one that is ;-)
Jan 21 09:07:24 <buz> maybe unless you're in the EU and pay 20% taxes
Jan 21 09:07:35 <unlink> my phone battery is like 30 g
Jan 21 09:08:17 <mikesh> buz: i am in eu, i have to pay 19% tax :/
Jan 21 09:08:26 <unlink> ow.
Jan 21 09:08:27 <unlink> what are they going for, anyway?
Jan 21 09:08:27 <buz> your phone is then more like 450 :(
Jan 21 09:08:29 <johnny67_> canada = 13%
Jan 21 09:08:52 <buz> switzerland 7.6% plus possibly some more for customs
Jan 21 09:36:39 <buz> woah toshiba has a slider with 3" wvga
Jan 21 09:37:25 <Tv> Can I just say I hate all the xwyzsvga abbreviations
Jan 21 09:38:02 <Tv> those made sense when you had cga, ega and vga
Jan 21 09:38:05 <Tv> even svga was debatable
Jan 21 10:40:40 <loufoque> Can usual GTK+ applications be run on OpenMoko or do only applications that use the Moko framework be run?
Jan 21 10:41:31 <rox> loufoque: you'd have to do some porting at least, probably
Jan 21 10:41:41 <rox> loufoque: and they probably wouldn't look as good
Jan 21 10:43:21 <loufoque> well, I guess it wouldn't look as good indeed
Jan 21 10:48:22 <rox> loufoque: the widgets are drawn in pixels, if i am not mistaken, so they would look too big on a small screen
Jan 21 10:48:51 <rox> loufoque: you could do some widget replacement magic in the code, i am sure.
Jan 21 10:49:17 <koen> gtk widgets aren't pixel based
Jan 21 10:52:34 <Tv> also, "too big on a small screen"? In this case the small screen has about 3 times the PPI of a big screen.
Jan 21 10:56:28 <loufoque> isn't X.org a bit big by the way? Wouldn't using the linux framebuffer be more lightweight?
Jan 21 11:00:39 <XorA|sleep> loufoque: Kdrive is small, and you would only have to re-implement all the functions somwhere else
Jan 21 11:00:52 <XorA|sleep> loufoque: QtEmbedded is bigger than kdrive+gtk
Jan 21 11:03:24 <loufoque> but OpenMoko doesn't use kdrive but X.org
Jan 21 11:03:47 <XorA|gone> loufoque: sure it doesnt use kdrive which is part of xorg?
Jan 21 11:04:00 <xorAxAx> loufoque: are you sure?
Jan 21 11:04:19 <xorAxAx> i think mickeyl said that its using kdrive
Jan 21 11:05:05 <XorA|gone> listen to xorAxAx he is twice my size :-)
Jan 21 11:05:19 <xorAxAx> exactly :)
Jan 21 11:05:31 <xorAxAx> and xorRaxRax would be 4 times my size :)
Jan 21 11:05:34 <loufoque> I don't know, I just read it used X.org 7.1. I thought KDrive was a separate thing.
Jan 21 11:05:51 <XorA|gone> loufoque: its part of xorg as of 7.0
Jan 21 11:06:34 <XorA|gone> xorAxAx: whats the instruction for the 128bit Xor on Itanium?
Jan 21 11:06:45 <xorAxAx> ia64 sucks :)
Jan 21 11:07:23 <loufoque> XorA|gone: is that really the right channel to ask that?
Jan 21 11:07:50 <XorA|gone> loufoque: just an in joke
Jan 21 11:08:50 <loufoque> I didn't even know it had 128 bit arithmetic.
Jan 21 11:10:51 * XorA|gone goes to eat
Jan 21 11:50:13 <sqwarking_go> hello
Jan 21 13:33:19 <rboehme> Upgrading Ubuntu to Edgy Eft, crossing fingers.
Jan 21 14:17:37 <CM> Quiet channel for having 191 people on
Jan 21 14:19:21 <lamby> CM: we're all on the phone ;)
Jan 21 14:19:26 <CM> Hehe
Jan 21 14:19:38 <CM> I'm installing OE
Jan 21 14:25:48 <xkr47> CM, :)
Jan 21 14:36:02 <CM> xkr47: It's taking a while for sure.. I mean "bitbake gpe-image"
Jan 21 14:36:46 <xkr47> :)
Jan 21 14:36:51 <xkr47> what's gpe-image?
Jan 21 14:43:52 <buz> do we know how much the neo weighs?
Jan 21 14:44:42 <xkr47> 2kg
Jan 21 14:44:46 <xkr47> ;)
Jan 21 14:44:59 <CM> I haven't seen it anywhere
Jan 21 14:45:14 <CM> xkr47: I'm not sure either, just following the OE install guide
Jan 21 14:45:24 <CM> I'm guessing it's a complete disk image
Jan 21 14:45:24 <xkr47> :)
Jan 21 14:45:59 * CM gets some coffee
Jan 21 14:54:34 <meyerm> morning (ugt - see mickeyl, I can learn ;-) )
Jan 21 14:54:51 <CM> morning :)
Jan 21 15:00:43 <xkr47> :)
Jan 21 15:18:49 <aevin> morning, meyerm 
Jan 21 15:18:59 <meyerm> :D
Jan 21 15:20:03 <boorad> CM: get further?
Jan 21 15:21:11 <boorad> koen: ping
Jan 21 15:22:46 <CM> boorad: Yes, but it just failed to build db3 when doing gpe-image
Jan 21 15:23:09 <boorad> was gonna try gpe-image now - haven't had many issues yet
Jan 21 15:23:13 * boorad knocks on wood
Jan 21 15:24:02 <boorad> CM: any tuts on using Xoo?
Jan 21 15:24:28 <CM> boorad: I recompiled xorg-server with kdrive, and built xoo from svn
Jan 21 15:24:34 <CM> But I haven't tried it yet
Jan 21 15:24:43 <boorad> on your host?
Jan 21 15:25:04 <CM> Here on my comp
Jan 21 15:25:17 <CM> Tried xoo now, it showed up then crashed from missing fonts or so
Jan 21 15:25:21 <boorad> Gentoo grabbed it for me, but not sure if I should get it from svn
Jan 21 15:25:22 <CM> Guess I'll have to restart X
Jan 21 15:25:36 <CM> I have gentoo too and saw the ebuild
Jan 21 15:26:09 <boorad> hmm, gotta run, bbl
Jan 21 15:26:20 <CM> It's a year old, but svn had some updates that was done last week
Jan 21 15:26:36 <boorad> ah, so maybe I'll grab it from there, thx
Jan 21 15:27:02 <CM> boorad: At the bottom of the page: http://projects.o-hand.com/xoo/
Jan 21 15:32:46 <mickeyl> morning
Jan 21 15:32:59 <CM> :)
Jan 21 15:40:58 <mickeyl> yes, stock Gtk+ apps will work, _if_ their layout works on VGA (given our huge fonts, that may be a problem for a lot of apps)
Jan 21 16:04:33 <guaqua> hello
Jan 21 16:05:37 <aloril2__> hi guaqua
Jan 21 16:06:27 <aloril2__> hi quaqua
Jan 21 16:07:12 <dilinger> the 2007-02-11 states that phones will be given away to selected developers; when will we/they know that they've been selected to receive phones?
Jan 21 16:07:12 <guaqua> the first one worked out better, aloril2__ :)
Jan 21 16:07:33 <dilinger> er, the 2007-02-11 entry
Jan 21 16:07:33 <CM> dilinger: I think they have gotten mails
Jan 21 16:07:55 <dilinger> ah, ok
Jan 21 16:08:14 <CM> I'll just wait until March :)
Jan 21 16:08:58 <aloril2> hehe, I was distracted and forgot what I intented to type (change nick) ;-)
Jan 21 16:09:34 <dilinger> CM: heh.  guess that would mean i'm not on the list
Jan 21 16:09:41 <guaqua> is there a way to test the platform in some way? (sorry for such general questions, that might be already answered somewhere)
Jan 21 16:10:14 <guaqua> or a sneak preview to some of the sdk etc?
Jan 21 16:10:27 <CM> dilinger: I didn't even mail to ask. I know there's surely 50 ppl who would use it better than me right now
Jan 21 16:10:46 <CM> I think the sdk will be available for everyone to download at 11/2
Jan 21 16:10:53 <guaqua> okay
Jan 21 16:11:06 <CM> And hopefully the wiki and all that up too
Jan 21 16:12:11 <guaqua> okeydokey
Jan 21 16:28:47 <boorad> will apps be able to access the GPS coords?
Jan 21 16:28:55 <boorad> I'm assuming yes
Jan 21 16:29:11 <guaqua> i'm already thinking of google maps :)
Jan 21 16:29:17 <boorad> with the users' opt-in of course
Jan 21 16:44:28 <aloril2> guaqua: it's Linux: X11, gtk+, etc.. Announce mail has some details
Jan 21 16:51:39 <XorA|gone> mickeyl: ping
Jan 21 16:53:08 <mickeyl> pöng
Jan 21 17:00:23 <CM> boorad: my bitbake gpe-image died on libxml2 since xmlsoft.org seems to be down
Jan 21 17:01:00 <CM> but I got on by downloading the gz from lfs and doing touch libxml2....gz.md5 in the sources folder
Jan 21 17:02:19 <noidd> mornin
Jan 21 17:02:27 <meyerm> noidd: hi
Jan 21 17:21:31 <noidd> Oh, random question:
Jan 21 17:21:47 <noidd> I remember that we were one uart short of a full set during the original design
Jan 21 17:22:03 <noidd> how did we get those additional serial ttys?
Jan 21 17:22:08 <noidd> via usb?
Jan 21 17:22:36 <noidd> GSM x 2, GPS, BLuetooth, Console ?
Jan 21 17:22:53 <stefan_schmidt> noidd: They attached bt through usb
Jan 21 17:23:09 <stefan_schmidt> noidd: 1x GSM, 1x GPS and 1x console
Jan 21 17:28:01 <noidd> cool, thanks
Jan 21 17:28:30 <noidd> I don't know why but I though the GSM module had two serial ports
Jan 21 17:29:03 <high-rez> What would the second one be for?
Jan 21 17:29:16 <noidd> I dunno, one for control one for data maybe
Jan 21 17:29:27 <noidd> pointless I know because of the +++ escape sequence
Jan 21 17:29:36 <noidd> I just thought I remembered hearing that.
Jan 21 17:29:39 <high-rez> ahh, yeah
Jan 21 17:29:57 <high-rez> aactually, does that mean you have to kill your pdp context every time you want to make a call?
Jan 21 17:31:14 <greentux> 2 serial ports i assume
Jan 21 17:31:28 <noidd> 2 srial ports would be nicer
Jan 21 17:31:48 <noidd> but who knows
Jan 21 17:32:01 <noidd> lemme look up the specs on some GSM modules
Jan 21 17:32:09 <noidd> maybe that will give a clue as to what is typical
Jan 21 17:32:16 <stefan_schmidt> They use TS07.10 multipley proto over the one port.
Jan 21 17:32:16 <high-rez> i'm kinda curious how the control of the voice side will work with an established pdp context.
Jan 21 17:32:20 <greentux> i have to search the irc log. there was the gsm model described by somebody
Jan 21 17:32:40 <stefan_schmidt> This gives you many virtual devices on the linux side
Jan 21 17:32:46 <high-rez> Aha
Jan 21 17:33:01 <greentux> but the modul has to support that
Jan 21 17:33:05 <stefan_schmidt> different one for sms, voice, data, control, etc...
Jan 21 17:33:12 <high-rez> stefan: So if the radio side supported it, then you could possibly have mutliple pdp contexts?
Jan 21 17:33:28 <stefan_schmidt> The TI gsm chip use this one. It's a 3gpp standard
Jan 21 17:34:03 <greentux> all these siemens modules i worked with doesnt support that ;(
Jan 21 17:34:06 <high-rez> Anyone know if the device will have a tether port so I can hook it into my lab rf?
Jan 21 17:34:09 <stefan_schmidt> high-rez: Yes, it's a question of the hardware. Unfortunately I have no Idea if this is supported.
Jan 21 17:34:26 <noidd> Ok, checked two modules.  Both are one serial port
Jan 21 17:34:51 <stefan_schmidt> greentux: Try AT+CMUX to enable it.
Jan 21 17:35:19 <stefan_schmidt> greentux: It's pretty much used this days. Even in some UMTS data cards
Jan 21 17:35:37 <greentux> stefan_schmidt:  will check my GT fusion...
Jan 21 17:36:09 <boorad> CM: hit same xmlsoft.org issue - where did you get it?  lfs?
Jan 21 17:36:37 <CM> I just googled for it
Jan 21 17:37:00 <greentux> stefan_schmidt:  at+cmux = error ;(
Jan 21 17:37:01 <boorad> lfs isn't lsf.{com.net.org}
Jan 21 17:37:05 <boorad> found it ;)
Jan 21 17:37:21 <stefan_schmidt> greentux: :(
Jan 21 17:37:23 <CM> Get both libxml2-2.6.10.tar.gz and libxml2-2.6.26.tar.gz
Jan 21 17:37:41 * stefan_schmidt plays with xoo right now.
Jan 21 17:37:50 <noidd> gotta go run a show
Jan 21 17:37:53 <noidd> i'll be back in a while
Jan 21 17:38:34 <greentux> stefan_schmidt:  so its a new feature, perhaps the next cards will support that. next week I get a novatel xu870.
Jan 21 17:39:22 <noidd> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=279  ## Python interpreter in a gsm module - who knew
Jan 21 17:39:26 <noidd> Back in a bit
Jan 21 17:39:29 * stefan_schmidt tries to remember which one he has seen with support.
Jan 21 17:40:02 <high-rez> dang that's a cool card, 850/1900/2100 huh?
Jan 21 17:40:39 <stefan_schmidt> Ah, xoo cames up with a neo1973 image now. Need some fixup for the xnest coordinates now
Jan 21 17:41:04 <boorad> CM: put them where?  packages/libxml/files ?
Jan 21 17:41:13 <boorad> under org.openembedded.dev ?
Jan 21 17:41:22 <CM> no, where you defined your source folder
Jan 21 17:41:44 <boorad>  /stuff ?
Jan 21 17:41:48 <CM> boorad: in DL_DIR
Jan 21 17:41:50 <boorad> can't remember
Jan 21 17:41:55 <boorad> k
Jan 21 17:42:09 <CM> look in your conf/local.conf
Jan 21 17:45:36 <boorad> CM: it's still waiting for xmlsoft.org to time out when I try it again
Jan 21 17:46:04 <boorad> bah, I didn't get the md5's and touch them ...
Jan 21 17:46:04 <CM> boorad: Did you do "touch libxml2-2.6.26.tar.gz.md5"?
Jan 21 17:46:10 <CM> :)
Jan 21 17:52:36 <stefan_schmidt> Everybody who has xoo installed: http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/OpenMoko/neo1973-xoo-device.tar.bz2
Jan 21 17:52:51 <CM> stefan_schmidt: Thanks :)
Jan 21 17:52:59 <stefan_schmidt> You need a high resolution
Jan 21 17:53:25 <stefan_schmidt> Xnest nested window is 480x640 and the picture around.
Jan 21 17:53:33 * CM runs 1600x1200 on 19"
Jan 21 17:53:39 <stefan_schmidt> Start with xoo --device path/to/xml/file
Jan 21 17:53:48 <buz> cm is that a crt?
Jan 21 17:53:50 <stefan_schmidt> CM: Sounds good
Jan 21 17:54:10 <buz> 480*640 is all nice and well but how do you emulat 285dpi
Jan 21 17:54:11 <CM> buz: Yes, an old Samsung
Jan 21 17:54:18 <buz> oh i had one of those once
Jan 21 17:54:33 <buz> at some point the red beam got whacked and i had red shadows on all chars
Jan 21 17:54:39 <buz> it was good screen tho
Jan 21 17:54:49 <CM> It's good, but huge
Jan 21 17:55:22 <buz> yeah
Jan 21 17:55:23 <stefan_schmidt> buz: I just played with a resized picture of the neo around the xnest. Nothing fancy like correct dpi. :)
Jan 21 17:55:24 <buz> and heaaaavy
Jan 21 17:55:39 <buz> i dont think you can actually correct dpi in any sane way
Jan 21 17:55:48 <stefan_schmidt> buz: Just some sunday fun. :)
Jan 21 17:55:52 <buz> not upward anyway
Jan 21 17:58:54 * aloril2 remembers seeing something like 12 GSM related devices
Jan 21 17:59:20 <aloril2> (seeing mention of above)
Jan 21 18:03:13 <boorad> CM: I can't find the md5 anywhere for 2.6.10 - you have it?
Jan 21 18:03:51 <CM> boorad: Just do a "touch" so it exists. Doesn't matter whats in it
Jan 21 18:03:56 <boorad> mkay
Jan 21 18:04:33 <boorad> so it doesn't get checked - interesting
Jan 21 18:04:47 <CM> Heh, I think it does when it's downloaded
Jan 21 18:05:14 <CM> But if you download it by hand and do like that, it assumes it's already checked. Was zecke in #oe who told me
Jan 21 18:05:47 <boorad> gotcha
Jan 21 18:06:00 <aloril2> buz: move monitor 3x of current distance?
Jan 21 18:06:20 <buz> i didnt think of that
Jan 21 18:06:33 <buz> but yeah
Jan 21 18:10:34 <rob_w> so are those now available for money ?  
Jan 21 18:10:40 <WillySilly> no
Jan 21 18:10:46 <WillySilly> March 11th
Jan 21 18:11:11 <rob_w> ah thanks
Jan 21 18:11:14 <xkr47> 48 days  5:18:22
Jan 21 18:11:16 <xkr47> remaining ;)
Jan 21 18:14:00 <rob_w> is there any form to pre-order maybe ?
Jan 21 18:14:36 <mikesh> oh, 48 days.. longest 48 days in my life
Jan 21 18:14:36 <buz> no
Jan 21 18:14:51 <xkr47> mikesh, yeah.. the army is nothing compared ;-)
Jan 21 18:18:04 <mikesh> i am looking forward to some review of neo1973, it can be available after 11th Feb
Jan 21 18:21:17 <xkr47> maybe
Jan 21 18:21:21 <aloril2> there could be 2 kinds of reviews: traditional customer oriented review: Neo1973 is ready for that at 2007-09-11
Jan 21 18:22:15 * aloril2 is more interested on developer viewpoint review
Jan 21 18:23:21 <mikesh> i think that, just one of the lucky guys can write "its cool, now i can do with it this, this and this... and there are a lot of screenshots" :)
Jan 21 18:23:25 <yacc> The question is, will it be useable as a phone in March?
Jan 21 18:23:29 <aloril2> You can get part of that when source is released 2007-02-11 by yourself ;-)
Jan 21 18:24:47 <mikesh> aloril2: good idea
Jan 21 18:24:59 <aloril2> yacc: I think so, all basic stuff should be there even Feb,  probably already
Jan 21 18:25:29 <yacc> :)
Jan 21 18:32:07 <MetaBookfoziS> hey all
Jan 21 18:32:24 <MetaBookfoziS> I just red about openmoko, it's cool!
Jan 21 18:32:37 <xkr47> :)
Jan 21 18:33:37 <MetaBookfoziS> is there any information about shipping to europe?
Jan 21 18:36:45 <CM> MetaBookfoziS: If you want one for developing you can order it from the openmoko.com homepage starting March 11th
Jan 21 18:36:59 <MetaBookfoziS> yep i read that
Jan 21 18:37:00 <CM> read the announcement, last link in the channel topic
Jan 21 18:37:05 <MetaBookfoziS> yes
Jan 21 18:37:07 <MetaBookfoziS> i asked first
Jan 21 18:37:08 <CM> :-)
Jan 21 18:37:09 <MetaBookfoziS> then read...
Jan 21 18:37:16 <MetaBookfoziS> :)
Jan 21 18:37:25 <koen> am I allowed to say 'OMG WIFI'?
Jan 21 18:37:33 <stefan_schmidt> koen: no
Jan 21 18:37:34 <MetaBookfoziS> i'm very excited about it
Jan 21 18:37:46 <koen> or is 'OMG GNU' more appropriate?
Jan 21 18:37:51 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Jan 21 18:37:53 <MetaBookfoziS> stefan_schmidt > it's wrong, because i thought the same:)
Jan 21 18:37:58 <stefan_schmidt> koen: Let the kids play...
Jan 21 18:38:01 <koen> :)
Jan 21 18:38:41 <MetaBookfoziS> march 11 is 2 days after my birthday... ;)
Jan 21 18:38:46 <koen> stefan_schmidt: fwiw, there's a xoo skin in svn as well
Jan 21 18:39:19 <stefan_schmidt> MetaBookfoziS: Sounds like a cool gift for yourself.
Jan 21 18:39:27 <stefan_schmidt> koen: Ah, thanks. I take a look
Jan 21 18:40:13 <MetaBookfoziS> yepyep.
Jan 21 18:40:14 <MetaBookfoziS> :)
Jan 21 18:40:32 <koen> stefan_schmidt: when svn is openened :)
Jan 21 18:41:05 <stefan_schmidt> koen: Ah :) /me thought you mentioned another skin in o-hand svn.
Jan 21 18:42:02 <stefan_schmidt> o-hand svn has also N770 skin
Jan 21 18:42:35 <koen> mickeyl: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/
Jan 21 18:42:45 <koen> mickeyl: a gui review comparing it with the apple newton
Jan 21 18:44:35 <xorAxAx> OMG makes UML
Jan 21 18:44:39 <xorAxAx> which makes me think OMG
Jan 21 18:44:40 * MetaBookfoziS out of range about waitng to march...
Jan 21 18:54:16 <aloril2> MetaBookfoziS: there should be European distributor too
Jan 21 18:55:09 <MetaBookfoziS> the news about 1g flash ram, it have an extending slot for sdcard?
Jan 21 18:55:21 <[g2]> wow, nearly 200 ppl in the channel -- surreal
Jan 21 18:55:26 <MetaBookfoziS> or how? i'M not fully understand how much memory does it have
Jan 21 18:55:32 <koen|gprs> hey [g2]
Jan 21 18:55:48 * [g2] hugs koen|gprs in front of nearly 200 strangers :)
Jan 21 18:55:54 <koen|gprs> [g2]: did you see linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html ?
Jan 21 18:56:18 <[g2]> koen|gprs about the roadmap ? Feb 11 for devs and Mar for everyone ?
Jan 21 18:56:35 <koen|gprs> that as well :)
Jan 21 18:56:55 <[g2]> Ah... even better Lennert/koen EABI :)
Jan 21 18:57:13 <[g2]> yes I saw that a couple days ago, but thx for mentioning it!
Jan 21 18:57:33 * [g2] has linuxdevices in the rss aggregator
Jan 21 18:57:51 <[g2]> koen|gprs are you running EABI on the Loft ?
Jan 21 18:58:06 <koen|gprs> I tried a while ago
Jan 21 18:58:13 <koen|gprs> I keep forgetting to flash the kernel
Jan 21 18:58:26 <koen|gprs> I do have my POE thingy now
Jan 21 18:58:33 <[g2]> \o/
Jan 21 18:58:45 <xorAxAx> [g2]: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you"
Jan 21 18:58:50 <MetaBookfoziS> if somebody who have a real openmoko, tell me, i wanna se one:)
Jan 21 18:59:02 <MetaBookfoziS> *in hungary*
Jan 21 18:59:03 <MetaBookfoziS> :D
Jan 21 18:59:07 <koen|gprs> MetaBookfoziS: check flickr
Jan 21 18:59:14 <koen|gprs> MetaBookfoziS: yo napot!
Jan 21 18:59:19 <MetaBookfoziS> lol!
Jan 21 18:59:22 <MetaBookfoziS> szhevasz!:)
Jan 21 19:01:44 <MetaMorfoziS> szoval hogy es milyen memoriaja van ennek a bizgentyunek?
Jan 21 19:02:27 <koen|gprs> I have to confess my hungarian is only good enough to say hi and order some food :)
Jan 21 19:02:44 * [g2] would starve
Jan 21 19:03:30 <[g2]> maybe not, I know the word goulash
Jan 21 19:04:09 <koen|gprs> although I suspect what you call goulash is called pörkölt :)
Jan 21 19:04:16 <koen|gprs> (I hope I spelled that correctly)
Jan 21 19:04:19 <MetaMorfoziS> gulyás, te:)
Jan 21 19:06:38 <MetaMorfoziS> so i ask that 3.5rd time, how much and how sorted memory it have?
Jan 21 19:06:58 <MetaMorfoziS>  red about 1g sd card, but that is a different version
Jan 21 19:07:02 <MetaMorfoziS> or what?
Jan 21 19:07:33 <koen|gprs> 128MB ram, 64mb flash, microsd slot beneath the battery
Jan 21 19:08:00 <koen|gprs> a 1gb card if confirmed to work, larger card may work too, but are untested
Jan 21 19:08:14 <koen|gprs> s/if/is/
Jan 21 19:08:14 <apt> koen|gprs meant: a 1gb card is confirmed to work, larger card may work too, but are untested
Jan 21 19:08:44 <MetaMorfoziS> uh
Jan 21 19:08:44 <MetaMorfoziS> cool
Jan 21 19:08:44 <[g2]> koen|gprs doesn't matter we'll have the source :)
Jan 21 19:08:44 <MetaMorfoziS> :))
Jan 21 19:08:59 <koen|gprs> larger cards are sdhc which may or may not require hardware support
Jan 21 19:09:09 <koen|gprs> http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=42
Jan 21 19:09:20 <MetaMorfoziS> and how about usb, miniusb or anything?
Jan 21 19:09:20 <[g2]> mickeyl around ?
Jan 21 19:09:57 <koen|gprs> mini-usb, which can be used to charge it
Jan 21 19:10:11 <MetaMorfoziS> only?
Jan 21 19:10:13 <koen|gprs> the announcement should list the specs
Jan 21 19:10:46 <koen|gprs> ah, it leaves out the actuall 'mini' from usb :)
Jan 21 19:11:51 <MetaMorfoziS> oh there is an announcement:D
Jan 21 19:12:08 <koen|gprs> see topic :)
Jan 21 19:12:35 <jaebird> koen: what irc client do you use when mobile?
Jan 21 19:12:44 <MetaMorfoziS> i'm readed an idiot post somewhere, and only openmoko.com then googled...
Jan 21 19:12:45 <MetaMorfoziS> * Unpowered USB 1.1
Jan 21 19:13:04 <koen|gprs> jaebird: colloquy on my powerbook :)
Jan 21 19:13:12 <MetaMorfoziS> the miniusb is only for charging?
Jan 21 19:13:19 <jaebird> oh
Jan 21 19:13:20 <MetaMorfoziS> so no wired conenction to the phone?
Jan 21 19:15:12 <alphaone> No, it has host and gadget USB 1.1 on that port, too
Jan 21 19:15:13 <slowcoder> Developing/testing software over GPRS would be prohibetively expensive, so it's probably used for other things as well
Jan 21 19:15:23 <alphaone> But unpowered
Jan 21 19:15:50 <MetaMorfoziS> oh, okay
Jan 21 19:16:01 <MetaMorfoziS> thx. i shut up and read then
Jan 21 19:16:37 <slowcoder> Anyone else here already working with mobile phones?
Jan 21 19:16:46 <greentux> and another phone http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2536449379.html
Jan 21 19:17:29 <MetaMorfoziS> i wanna
Jan 21 19:17:40 <MetaMorfoziS> but i'm the learning java state;)
Jan 21 19:18:19 <slowcoder> Stop learning Java and learn C if you want to work professionally with phones
Jan 21 19:19:14 <MetaMorfoziS> okay, but i have bought a fsckn big java book, i read that, then i get a C one.
Jan 21 19:19:18 <MetaMorfoziS> :)
Jan 21 19:19:34 <slowcoder> :)
Jan 21 19:21:07 <slowcoder> Java is okay for developing apps for phones though. Especially 3rd party apps
Jan 21 19:21:21 <slowcoder> Developing the phones themselves though.. That's another question
Jan 21 19:22:06 <MetaMorfoziS> yep
Jan 21 19:22:34 <MetaMorfoziS> but i hope, java teaches me to thinking right, not as php ;)
Jan 21 19:22:56 <MetaMorfoziS> in this case, need openmoko a php,mysql ready webdeveloper?:)
Jan 21 19:23:43 <guaqua> java teaches you object oriented programming, but if you wanna do that in a better way, learn python instead
Jan 21 19:24:09 <MetaMorfoziS> i have python basics
Jan 21 19:25:02 <MetaMorfoziS> i hate that whitespace based language:D
Jan 21 19:25:21 <aloril2> MetaMorfoziS: with powered USB hub you should be able to connect any mass storage device, like external harddrive, camera, etc..
Jan 21 19:26:01 <MetaMorfoziS> aloril2 > sure
Jan 21 19:26:37 <guaqua> watching movies from an external hard drive when traveling on the train :)
Jan 21 19:26:47 <MetaMorfoziS> :D
Jan 21 19:28:06 <MetaMorfoziS> So i gladly help anything to openmoko project (in that sections that i can) actually in web based things
Jan 21 19:28:31 <MetaMorfoziS> if that needed.
Jan 21 19:43:40 <l4rs> can anybody tell me how to run a application inside of xoo? or does anybody know where i can find something on that topic?
Jan 21 21:30:00 <ericsmythe>  
Jan 21 21:40:24 <ericsmythe> ]
Jan 21 22:00:56 <noidd> Guys - do we know if openmoko has a speakerphone?
Jan 21 22:01:03 <noidd> I never thought to ask until now.
Jan 21 23:12:49 <bprice20> me either I don't think so because it is not listed in the feature list
Jan 21 23:12:59 <bprice20> I will ask in the mailing list sometime
Jan 21 23:13:35 <Psi_> i believe it does
Jan 21 23:13:42 <Psi_> someone said it has two 1W speakers (Stereo
Jan 21 23:14:37 <bprice20> hmm makes sense
Jan 21 23:15:07 <Psi_> we should probably get confirmation though
Jan 21 23:15:39 <bprice20> agreed.
Jan 21 23:31:05 <luck> why
Jan 21 23:42:15 <MetaMorfoziS> why....
Jan 21 23:42:16 <MetaMorfoziS> :)
Jan 21 23:51:41 <facenew> OT: a 30-min movie mocking kim jong il and his secret agent buying something from china: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EE52D9ED01495685
Jan 22 02:17:23 <darmou> Looks like the cracks are begining to show with the iphone http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9008439 
Jan 22 02:18:03 <darmou> this could be a chance for OpenMoko to capture some of the market by being more advance and have more third party apps
Jan 22 02:18:16 <darmou> advance =advanced
Jan 22 02:20:14 <cjb> darmou: Yes, we've been discussing that.
Jan 22 02:20:27 <cjb> (we == peopke on this channel, not FIC)
Jan 22 02:20:43 <darmou> cjb I guesed that's what you meant
Jan 22 02:22:14 <darmou> Is the wki going to open? I notice it's currently password protected
Jan 22 02:22:56 <cjb> on release day.
Jan 22 02:23:24 <ciastek> oh, is there official wiki?
Jan 22 02:24:24 <bprice20> and release day is currently ...
Jan 22 02:24:28 <bprice20> sometime in feb
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