**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 23 02:59:57 2007 Feb 23 03:03:28 2GB at least works, bigger sizes are unclear: it might be hardware limit or it might be just software limit (which will be fixed if not already fixed in latest kernel (or latest patches)) Feb 23 03:07:37 For installed software, we really want to stick at 60M or so - leaving some space for user data, to make it simple to change SD. Feb 23 03:07:56 Of course, you can install whatever on SD. Feb 23 03:08:51 oh, the sd card would be more for stuff like music, etc, just curious really. Feb 23 03:09:02 Yeah. Feb 23 03:09:21 A second micro-SD slot would be quite nice in that respect. Feb 23 03:09:30 Or the near-field vapourware SDs. Feb 23 03:10:01 (non-contact reader, 10-50Kbyte/s) Feb 23 03:12:34 sounds very useful Feb 23 03:15:10 well.. I will consider microSD basically like second hard disk inside it, swapped basically for size upgrade only Feb 23 03:15:39 use USB mass storage for other further needs and USB/bluetooth networking to move stuff Feb 23 03:18:11 s/use/I will use/ Feb 23 03:18:11 aloril meant: I will use USB mass storage for other further needs and USB/bluetooth networking to move stuff Feb 23 03:24:50 I think the first thingy I'm making is a battery powered microSD reader. Feb 23 03:25:05 There are some _very_ small MicroSD only readers out there. Feb 23 03:25:26 Adding a li-ion AAA cell or so doesn't increase the volume too much. Feb 23 03:38:06 OT: if USA supreme court rules that software is not patentable and EU keeps its current stance, that practically means dead of idea of software patents Feb 23 03:43:04 maybe should create language that uses just English and executes that directly, then you would have to say that English speech is patentable ;-) Feb 23 03:44:06 ie.. no object code, no byte code, just direct intepretation Feb 23 03:44:16 sure it would probably be slow, but ... ;-) Feb 23 03:49:26 hmm.. even write it in itself, then you have even metamachine in English ;-) Feb 23 03:54:16 aloril: Is there a current US case? Feb 23 03:58:12 http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/02/22/024249.shtml http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20061215131844340 Feb 23 03:58:20 ah Feb 23 03:58:27 basically, supreme court noticed that it has never ruled on software patents ;-) Feb 23 03:58:32 :) Feb 23 03:58:38 I hope. Feb 23 04:06:16 rwhitby: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/02/20#20070220-hardware_problems "... there are likely-to-be-working hot-fixes for the already-produced Phase-0 devices." Feb 23 04:06:32 :) Feb 23 04:07:02 if laforge is right, then they just need that cable and software upgrade for P0 devices (P1 hardware will be different) Feb 23 04:09:58 if laforge is wrong, they would need scrap already produced P0 phones :-( Feb 23 04:10:23 OT: what is most simple enforced (especially enforced by courts) software patent? Feb 23 04:18:02 The blackberry comes to mind. Feb 23 04:19:51 * SpeedEvil wonders if the schematics had been open other people would have caught it. Feb 23 04:20:00 (the P0 bugs) Feb 23 04:26:15 counter Feb 23 04:26:16 P0: 6 days 06:59:37 (0.291 - 6.291 days); P1: 22.291 - 37.291; P2: 190.291 - 220.291 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (388) Feb 23 04:26:24 * SpeedEvil ponders P1. Feb 23 05:19:49 * SpeedEvil ponders IR illuminator + camera + phone at 20cm = eyetracker + dasher... Feb 23 06:23:11 * CM cheers for Dr Lauer Feb 23 06:46:36 http://blog.printf.net/articles/2007/02/22/unboxing-the-openmoko-phone Feb 23 07:01:12 CM: =-O =-O =-O..great..!!! http://blog.printf.net/articles/2007/02/22/unboxing-the-openmoko-phone. Feb 23 07:03:08 dirak1: Sure looks good :) Feb 23 07:11:31 CM: ;) Feb 23 07:20:16 koen: you sent some msg via apt but I don't know how to read it :) Feb 23 07:20:26 xkr47: http://blog.printf.net/articles/2007/02/22/unboxing-the-openmoko-phone Feb 23 07:20:31 /msg apt botmail read Feb 23 07:20:48 thx Feb 23 07:21:09 my internet has been broken for days now :P Feb 23 07:36:14 hello Feb 23 07:38:28 Genesis_, hi Feb 23 07:38:35 CM :) Feb 23 07:38:54 koen, very nice! Feb 23 07:39:38 someone was actually using pulse on their shark (200mhz strongarm) and said it was slow Feb 23 07:39:54 without your patch ? Feb 23 07:39:57 yes Feb 23 07:40:14 well I guess we'll have feedback then :) Feb 23 07:40:16 so 10 minutes of puzzling later, OE now set the appropriate resample method Feb 23 07:40:36 they were using OE on the shark ? Feb 23 07:41:47 and OE built distro, yes Feb 23 07:41:53 s/and/an/ Feb 23 07:41:54 koen meant: an OE built distro, yes Feb 23 07:44:54 CM: you know what the resolution on the opensource laptop is ?-) Feb 23 07:45:22 xkr47: Doesn't that depend if you use it in monochrome or not? Feb 23 07:45:28 I don't know :) Feb 23 07:47:40 Resolution: 1200 x 900 (200 dpi) Feb 23 07:47:40 Mono display: High-resolution, reflective monochrome mode Feb 23 07:47:41 Color display: Standard-resolution, quincunx-sampled, transmissive color mode Feb 23 07:48:07 oh ok :) Feb 23 07:48:20 standard.. :) Feb 23 07:48:51 well, 200 dpi is pretty high Feb 23 07:49:00 The screen is 7.5" Feb 23 07:49:06 yeah, it's mokoish :) Feb 23 07:49:26 "the usable resolution in colour mode is closer to 400x300 than 1200x900 sadly" Feb 23 07:50:13 mm Feb 23 07:52:03 * CM wonders why everyone is using the word "leverage" Feb 23 07:52:18 guys i managed to compile openmoko somehow. Now how do i start writing apps for openmoko ? Feb 23 07:52:20 because of marketing Feb 23 07:57:41 mhh so does the lcd screen use subpixels in black/white mode? Feb 23 08:06:14 empty_mind, look for "example" stuff in the openmoko tree Feb 23 08:06:38 xkr47, thnxs Feb 23 08:06:48 find -iname '*example*' Feb 23 08:07:21 xkr47, but how do i test the apps or the compiled image? Feb 23 08:07:31 and if you want to run them on your pc, there's a "running openmoko apps on your pc" page (or similar) on the iwki Feb 23 08:07:46 buz: subpixels would mean 1200x300 or 400x900 Feb 23 08:08:02 buz: I never heard of one pixel having 9 subpixels, but of course, this could be the first :) Feb 23 08:08:04 xkr47, thnxs again Feb 23 08:08:31 oh right , i forgot you have two dimensions Feb 23 08:08:46 empty_mind, I think there's a link to that page on the top of the "building openmoko" wiki page Feb 23 08:08:46 seemed to work nicely with 1200/3=400 in my early morning mind Feb 23 08:08:56 but a search for "PC" should find it I think Feb 23 08:31:24 Each pixel of the OLPC display can only show one color and they're lined up diagonally, you have 4 pixels for each correctly "colored" pixel you want to draw (imaginary 600x450 res) and two of those will of course be the same color, like RGGB. They do antialias and "color swizzling" to get the most readability out of it. (Normal lcd's have all three color components per pixel) Feb 23 08:47:01 good mornin' Feb 23 08:49:56 hello bastard Feb 23 08:49:58 :P Feb 23 08:50:11 why LuckyBasterd? got your device already? Feb 23 08:50:17 hehe Feb 23 08:50:27 no, i just successfully defended my thesis Feb 23 08:50:27 ... Feb 23 08:50:29 yesterday Feb 23 08:50:34 congrats Feb 23 08:50:36 ah yes, I read about that Feb 23 08:50:39 gratz' Feb 23 08:50:43 phd thesis i take it Feb 23 08:50:57 buz: got a response yet? Feb 23 08:51:03 no Feb 23 08:51:10 buz: right Feb 23 08:51:10 me neither Feb 23 08:51:15 but i figured you should send your mail to the CEO maybe? Feb 23 08:51:44 yeah... possibly... Feb 23 08:51:50 buy how do you get his adress :P Feb 23 08:52:45 buz: wanna see what I sent him? Feb 23 08:56:33 if their response is positive, I'll post the mail + response on the wiki I guess... Feb 23 08:59:58 mickeyl: Saw that Chris Ball had a Neo alredy.. Are they being delivered to the phase 0 ppl alread? :) Feb 23 09:00:35 s/alread/now/ Feb 23 09:00:35 CM meant: mickeyl: Saw that Chris Ball had a Neo alredy.. Are they being delivered to the phase 0 ppl now? :) Feb 23 09:00:38 CM: no, we are waiting for some ugly last minute power management + gsm fixes before we can start shipping. I guess he got Sean drunk and then talked him out of his demo device. Feb 23 09:00:45 heh Feb 23 09:00:47 Hehe.. Ok Feb 23 09:01:48 i have something that really looks like a phone now. i'm going to finish my OE presentation and then load up some software onto the device to demo @ FOSDEM Feb 23 09:03:51 foo Feb 23 09:03:54 s/foo/bar/ Feb 23 09:03:54 inz meant: bar Feb 23 09:03:58 cool Feb 23 09:04:00 :P Feb 23 09:04:16 tr/o/a/ Feb 23 09:04:19 feh Feb 23 09:04:33 too bad his script doesn't do complicated regular expressions Feb 23 09:05:00 Like s/feh/system("rm -RF /")/e? Feb 23 09:06:46 more like s/([\w](3))\s([\w](5))/\\1\\0/ Feb 23 09:07:08 does it even do g? Feb 23 09:07:08 foo Feb 23 09:07:12 s/o/a/g Feb 23 09:07:14 inz meant: faa Feb 23 09:07:14 nope Feb 23 09:07:23 yep Feb 23 09:07:26 Was too quick ;) Feb 23 09:07:28 lol Feb 23 09:08:01 so, what does a \ do Feb 23 09:08:03 foo Feb 23 09:08:11 s/foo/b\ar/ Feb 23 09:08:11 LuitvD meant: b\ar Feb 23 09:08:13 hmm Feb 23 09:08:17 that's not nice... Feb 23 09:08:22 foo Feb 23 09:08:28 s/foo/b\[ar/ Feb 23 09:08:29 LuitvD meant: b\[ar Feb 23 09:08:41 :S Feb 23 09:08:41 foo Feb 23 09:08:43 s/[of]/a/g Feb 23 09:08:55 lol Feb 23 09:09:08 That is no regular expression... Feb 23 09:09:16 should get you aaa Feb 23 09:09:19 yeah Feb 23 09:09:43 foo Feb 23 09:09:44 it's not a regexp engine in his script, that is clear now :P Feb 23 09:09:45 s/o$/a/ Feb 23 09:09:49 even the simplest... Feb 23 09:09:53 indeed it is not Feb 23 09:09:53 enough testing!!! Feb 23 09:09:54 ;) Feb 23 09:09:57 lol! Feb 23 09:10:00 We gonna breaks it! Feb 23 09:10:17 we gonna /ignore you soon Feb 23 09:10:22 DDoS attack on an IRC script... suuure Feb 23 09:10:22 :P Feb 23 09:12:13 dos attack on our nerves Feb 23 09:12:44 that's called epilepsy Feb 23 09:12:51 There should be a #sandbox channel for every bot feature Feb 23 09:13:00 :) Feb 23 09:13:55 The only bot script I've ever written just tells me when should I leave to catch a bus. Feb 23 09:14:10 inz, you can /msg apt Feb 23 09:14:10 :-) Feb 23 09:14:15 * buz curses duplicity Feb 23 09:14:27 suddenly stopped worked Feb 23 09:14:40 ~s/worked/working Feb 23 09:14:42 what? Feb 23 09:14:49 duplicity.nongnu.org Feb 23 09:14:55 like encrypted rdiff-backup Feb 23 09:15:12 for the truly paranoid like myself Feb 23 09:16:05 that's a nice backup system... Feb 23 09:17:40 why isn't +s set on this channel? Feb 23 09:18:35 inz: there is, #flood is usually the place to go test bots... or just create a private channel Feb 23 09:19:11 * dottedmag .oO(and there should be channel for discussing how to test bots properly) Feb 23 09:55:05 hello, the device can support two different SIM at the same time? Feb 23 09:56:01 <__doc__> can it? :) Feb 23 09:56:04 <__doc__> kewl Feb 23 09:56:41 mattions: I think so... if you have a dualsim-card... Feb 23 09:58:08 well I have two different SIM at the moment Feb 23 09:58:30 So it will be really handy to have the phone that can take care of the two.. Feb 23 09:59:34 When somebody try to contact me on the number A and I'm phoning on the number B it can swap the calls, as normally happen when another call arrive on the same number.. Feb 23 09:59:45 I don't know if I was clear... Feb 23 10:00:05 LuitvD: what do you mean dualsim-card? Feb 23 10:00:11 yeah Feb 23 10:00:14 that's what I mean... Feb 23 10:00:21 good.. It can? Feb 23 10:00:23 really? Feb 23 10:00:26 not sure Feb 23 10:00:29 you need two gsm modules for that Feb 23 10:00:29 mattions, the real answer is "no it can't" Feb 23 10:00:48 mjr: not yet? Feb 23 10:00:52 there is no mass market phone that can do this Feb 23 10:00:59 LuitvD: not ever i'd say Feb 23 10:01:04 there's some operators that have dual sim cards that can change identity based on PIM on one card, which I think is what LuitvD was talking about Feb 23 10:01:04 mjr: isn't it just a software issue? Feb 23 10:01:16 no Feb 23 10:01:17 LuitvD, no Feb 23 10:01:20 :S Feb 23 10:01:25 unless you want to start hacking the gsm stack Feb 23 10:01:32 but it would be really useful ... Feb 23 10:01:38 then why can my device recognise 2 diffrent sim cards at once? Feb 23 10:01:52 (well actually not at once, but at startup...) Feb 23 10:02:00 you need to handle two signal at the same moment.. Feb 23 10:02:01 see, there's the difference Feb 23 10:02:04 you can do call swapping in one number also Feb 23 10:02:07 so whats the point? :) Feb 23 10:02:08 with one modem, you can have one number Feb 23 10:02:26 if you need more numbers, get voip Feb 23 10:02:35 I mean I need the two phone working at the same time Feb 23 10:02:42 you hopefully have just one mouth anyway :) Feb 23 10:02:43 ah, that's impossible Feb 23 10:02:51 well it could be done Feb 23 10:03:07 but it would require some serious engineering Feb 23 10:03:24 i suspect weird things would happen with two gsm modules in the same case Feb 23 10:03:25 but having two simcards of different providers, of which one can be chosen upon login, that's already possible in most gsm devices Feb 23 10:03:29 mattions, there's really not much market for that. Can't you do with call forwarding? Feb 23 10:03:33 I mean instead of using two phone, one for A and one for B, just one phone with two number A and B, on different network. Feb 23 10:03:47 LuitvD, most? I think not... Feb 23 10:03:54 mjr: many Feb 23 10:04:17 so, start the brussel journey in 10 min... cu guys. Feb 23 10:04:35 greentux: from where? Feb 23 10:05:13 mjr: a device like this: http://home.wanadoo.nl/hverbij/dsmp2.jpg Feb 23 10:05:40 mjr: I'm not an expert... I never thought about the call fowarding.. Feb 23 10:05:47 I'm pretty new to this situation. Feb 23 10:06:48 LuitvD, hmm. Right. Ok, with an addon like that it will likely be possible to choose the SIM at startup _if_ the device fits into the Neo, but still not what mattions wanted Feb 23 10:07:22 I think so. Feb 23 10:07:27 mjr: there's also a device that can fit two SIM cores in the space of one card Feb 23 10:07:32 Two networks signal one phone.. Feb 23 10:08:05 two networks at once would be too difficult for one gsm module to handle... Feb 23 10:08:06 I guess... Feb 23 10:08:35 yep Feb 23 10:09:00 So... it is impossible.. Feb 23 10:09:26 that it means, it is going to take more times... Feb 23 10:11:23 these cards work via sim toolkit Feb 23 10:11:26 call forwarding usualyl works but might cost a lot depending on your carrier Feb 23 10:11:53 even worse when it's two different carriers involved Feb 23 10:12:26 it forwards all requests other than STK to the sim and via STK you can choose which card you want to use and then it switches the cards Feb 23 10:13:33 it's a really dirty hack imho and comsumes much more power than just one sim card Feb 23 10:14:46 there are btw. actually phones that support two simcards and have two gsm radiomodems -> benefon twin. Feb 23 10:18:30 yeah, there was that Feb 23 10:18:37 now that you remind me Feb 23 10:19:21 long long time ago :) Feb 23 10:20:35 nowadays the hardware is quite cheap and with all those new fancy stuff like software synthesizers i wonder why there is no vendor that sells modern multi-sim phones Feb 23 10:23:56 rf issues could be hard Feb 23 10:24:09 why? Feb 23 10:24:32 because you have two independent radios transmitting at approximately the same frequency in a small case Feb 23 10:24:43 you already have bluetooth and 802.11b in modern phones - both even in the same frequency range, even overlapping Feb 23 10:24:56 yeah but often you can only use one at a time Feb 23 10:25:07 that's not true Feb 23 10:25:14 i've never seen such a restriction Feb 23 10:25:25 not with htc or nokia devices Feb 23 10:25:42 friends nokia e60 starts behaving weirdly when both are being used Feb 23 10:26:19 interesting. never had these problems with my e70 Feb 23 10:26:31 i use voip over wlan and a bluetooth headset - works. Feb 23 10:28:10 what's the resolution on that e70? Feb 23 10:28:53 450x320 or some such Feb 23 10:28:55 http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_e70-1323.php says 352 x 416 pixels, 35 x 41 mm Feb 23 10:29:11 ive never seen a e70 in any shop Feb 23 10:29:18 its a weird concept to begin with Feb 23 10:29:24 they have only made about 60k devices at all Feb 23 10:29:38 none of the operators in .eu did addopt them for marketing Feb 23 10:29:49 you have to order them via wholesale Feb 23 10:29:57 well i give shit on what operators adop Feb 23 10:29:58 t Feb 23 10:30:04 would be a nice device to run moko on :P Feb 23 10:30:18 na, i want it on e90 Feb 23 10:30:22 * nibbler_de got device number 3620 which tells quite a lot about how many devices they acutally sold Feb 23 10:30:39 the form factor is just too weird Feb 23 10:30:50 buz: me neither - but that's the reason why you don't see it out there :) Feb 23 10:30:56 buz: you get used to it Feb 23 10:31:00 i dont see why they didnt simply do a tytnesque slider Feb 23 10:31:10 the biggest problem with E90 is that it's S60 Feb 23 10:31:17 oh wait, s60 cant do touchscreen Feb 23 10:31:25 thats probably why Feb 23 10:31:38 e90 is most hampered by absence of touchscreen Feb 23 10:31:43 surfing with a stick is painful Feb 23 10:31:48 buz: because sliders tend to break and you actually can type faster using the phone with two thumbs Feb 23 10:32:11 the mechasnism in e70doesnt seem very trustworthy to me either Feb 23 10:32:30 and it looks ugly Feb 23 10:32:52 communicators never needed touchscreens - they had a lot of softkeys and a clear menu structure - perfect for work. the E90 however only has two softkeys but no menu anymore - it's a crippled communicator :( Feb 23 10:33:04 the E70 is quite robust Feb 23 10:33:11 they dont need touchscreens for work Feb 23 10:33:15 but for the web Feb 23 10:33:27 navigation on a touchscreen is much nicer Feb 23 10:37:06 that in deed. Feb 23 10:37:25 then again - websites for mobile devices should have matching navigation :) Feb 23 10:37:32 ...in a perfect world of course Feb 23 10:46:48 but it's possible to have two sims in the some device.. Feb 23 10:47:08 mattions: yes. the benefon twin for example Feb 23 10:47:15 yeah. Feb 23 10:47:36 so It's going to be possible also on the openmoko? Feb 23 10:48:18 i don't think the moko will have more than one transceiver Feb 23 10:54:39 understood. Feb 23 10:55:13 But It will be really cool, if the hardware of the openmoko could be custumizable as the user need. Feb 23 10:57:30 * mattions that want really use the openmoko Feb 23 11:06:45 hows customizable hardware supposed to work witha phone Feb 23 11:07:07 buz: no idea Feb 23 11:07:11 LOL Feb 23 11:07:20 ok a compact flash slot would be eminently useful to me Feb 23 11:07:41 I know what I want, I don't know how to get it working :) Feb 23 11:07:57 develop your own phone Feb 23 11:09:01 you can buy gsm modules Feb 23 11:09:03 well i will try to contribute to this one.. Feb 23 11:09:10 well, neo1973 will have only one transceiver, it might be conceivable that openmoko should support also multiple ones, but that's probably not a focus of anyone currently developing, since it'd need the hardware too ;) Feb 23 11:09:11 if I have enough time.. Feb 23 11:09:30 yeah.. I can wait.. Feb 23 11:09:36 mhh maybe there are bluetooth gsm modules LOL Feb 23 11:09:45 i think they are called mobile phones ;) Feb 23 11:09:46 ghgh Feb 23 11:09:49 buz: wifi ones :) Feb 23 11:09:55 buz, :D Feb 23 11:10:06 i'm still waiting for the BT wifi gw Feb 23 11:10:18 and a response from e28 for that matter Feb 23 11:10:22 buz, yeah, no more on the discs then? Feb 23 11:10:37 never heard of it after the initial announcement Feb 23 11:14:39 sirf3 has open source drivers yes? Feb 23 11:41:07 buz: the sirf star 3 is a widely used chipset... I think it's well supported... Feb 23 11:43:29 buz: It depends on the UI - surfing with a stick - I so most of my surfing that way (laptop with thumbstick). Especially combined with mousegestures (click right + drag in direction = back/forward/...) it's quite acceptable. Feb 23 11:44:36 nibbler_de: The not-as-good alternative - switching between two SIMs would be relatively simple with [[Expansion Back]] - an additional n SIMs in sockets on the back of the phone. Feb 23 11:51:20 * vmaster wonders if moustegestures and a touchscreen violate some iPhone patent ;) Feb 23 11:51:32 :) Feb 23 11:51:54 I was thinking of perhaps stealing the side-button for a gesture button. Feb 23 11:52:04 SpeedEvil: sure - but that's ugly :) Feb 23 11:52:40 I don't know it'd be ugly - it's 3-5mm thicker. For a lot of options. Feb 23 11:57:54 expansion pack for more features, yes. for just more simcards? no. Feb 23 11:58:12 True. Feb 23 11:58:30 * nibbler_de usually has 2-3 phones with him for several roles, i got used to it. i see it as a feature Feb 23 11:58:37 And the multiple SIMs would only be usable one at a time. Feb 23 11:58:52 As otherwise requires support in hardware. Feb 23 11:58:57 (the GSM hardware) Feb 23 11:59:45 E70 is for ssh, mail, webstuff. k800i is for private use, photos, mp3, rss, news. good ol' 6310i is the AS250 noc phone which is passed arround occassionly Feb 23 12:00:22 That's quite an array :) Feb 23 12:00:55 yeah - but it's the a nice combination and a complete featureset :) Feb 23 12:01:12 it solves also the problem that there are no tariffs that fit my need. Feb 23 12:01:21 It'd probably be lighter to take a laptop with a datacard that does multiple SIMs :) Feb 23 12:01:39 nah - wouldn't fit into my pockets :) Feb 23 12:02:38 however i have an additional datacard an a T42p in my backpack with me almost all the time (alongtogether with a motorola iridium phone - but admiting this clearly puts me into the communication maniac corner) Feb 23 12:04:10 Aha! /me goes to add 'Iridium capability' to hardware:wishlist :) Feb 23 12:04:34 haha :) Feb 23 12:04:41 nah - thuraya is cooler Feb 23 12:05:07 you can roam with many gsm sims in thuraya these days Feb 23 12:05:12 incoming sms for free, etc. Feb 23 12:05:32 though they only have limited coverage... but adorable tiny handsets Feb 23 12:07:05 SpeedEvil: Iridium and Gallileo Feb 23 12:09:46 GLONASS! :) Feb 23 12:09:56 * SpeedEvil wonders if any birds are still up. Feb 23 12:10:05 * nibbler_de wonders if the first generation gallileo receivers will suck as badly as the first generation umts phones or gps receivers Feb 23 12:10:12 TELEDESIC for the win! :) Feb 23 12:10:30 ultramobile satellite broadband Feb 23 12:10:34 total media convergence. Feb 23 12:10:44 * CM doubts this is a place to look for "birds" ;) Feb 23 12:16:52 Hmm - I diddn't realise GLONASS is actually having new satellites put up. Feb 23 12:17:14 And they're lifting the P-code restrictions, to make it similar to GPS. Feb 23 12:17:37 Still be 2009 before it's fully up and running though worldwide - it's not got enough satellites yet. Feb 23 12:19:45 nibbler_de: The first gallileo recievers will be combined GPS/gallileo ones. Feb 23 12:19:55 There are already combined GPS/glonass chipsets. Feb 23 12:22:36 counter Feb 23 12:22:36 P0: 5 days 23:03:14 (-0.039 - 5.961 days); P1: 21.961 - 36.961; P2: 189.961 - 219.961 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (389) Feb 23 12:23:30 And the first GPS recievers sucked because hardware of the required complexity was expensive - it now no longer is. Feb 23 12:25:57 The advantage is that if you have more satellites in view - even of different systems, you can get better positions. Especially in cities with tall buildings that block satellites. You're more likely to have several in view. Feb 23 12:27:12 SpeedEvil: GPS/glonass? Are they transportable :) Feb 23 12:27:25 transportable? Feb 23 12:27:30 openmoko: 03mickey * r1082 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/ (3 files in 2 dirs): panel-plugins/README: catch up w/ forthcoming move to matchbox-panel-2 Feb 23 12:28:18 SpeedEvil: I think any technology box related to the Russian army is at least 10kg :) Feb 23 12:28:56 Ah. There are GPS/GLONASS chipsets out there that don't use much power. Feb 23 12:32:34 * aloril2 notes that P0 lower limit seems right ;-) Feb 23 12:33:44 SpeedEvil: that's true in deed - but with regard to the umts hardware... there has been many tinkering until they had it working and reasonably small - of course gallileo is less complex than umts Feb 23 12:34:23 Well - not really. Feb 23 12:34:48 There are many differnces - GPS knowledge can pretty much be ported straight over to gallileo. Feb 23 12:35:03 There are no technically hard bits, or bits that required high power. Feb 23 12:35:34 There are technically hard parts in the UTMS spec - at least at first, due to it being designed at the leading edge of technology. Feb 23 12:35:48 what's the difference anyway? can't be that much - satellites emmiting a known signal floating arround on known positions... Feb 23 12:36:07 i guess the wcdma is the hardest part Feb 23 12:36:11 They are all subtly different, and incompatible for 'security' reasons. Feb 23 12:36:17 needs heavy dsps... Feb 23 14:24:16 hi Feb 23 14:27:36 hello Feb 23 14:34:29 hmm, openembedded gets more interesting now :) finally start seeing the power of it Feb 23 15:10:05 CM: already listened 200 modtracker files, because of that thing about ringtones on the Neo :P Feb 23 15:18:21 * LuitvD is now running the mokomakefile again Feb 23 15:19:42 openmoko: 03werner * r1083 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) Feb 23 15:19:42 openmoko: preboot-override.patch: execute command string from RAM (overrides normal Feb 23 15:19:42 openmoko: operation) Feb 23 15:19:42 openmoko: uboot-neo1973-resume.patch: adjusted to fit with the other start.S patches Feb 23 15:19:42 openmoko: boot-from-ram-and-nand.patch: decide whether to boot from RAM or NAND at run Feb 23 15:19:44 openmoko: time Feb 23 15:19:46 openmoko: dynenv-harden.patch: "dynenv set" also updates environment offset in running Feb 23 15:38:43 is it okay for me to draft a wiki page in my User_talk page, and move it when it's ready? Feb 23 15:38:51 I'm not that good with wiki's :) Feb 23 15:39:02 Sure. Feb 23 15:39:27 You can draft it by 'show preview' too. Feb 23 15:42:04 SpeedEvil: yeah I know... but I don't really know how to create a new page XD Feb 23 15:42:15 oh wait... now I do... :P Feb 23 15:42:27 just enter the desired name, and it's there :D Feb 23 15:42:35 Magic, isn't it. Feb 23 15:42:57 Slackware for the win! Feb 23 15:42:59 oops Feb 23 15:43:22 LuitvD, you can slap your own user page around all you want ;) Feb 23 15:43:34 jebba: yay, thanks :D Feb 23 15:46:46 is this good enough for a new panel application? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:LuitvD Feb 23 15:48:39 shall I make a new page out of that? Feb 23 15:49:06 if you do, i think you're supposed to do it as a Wishlist: page Feb 23 15:49:39 why? ... because there's no real plans yet? Feb 23 15:50:31 jebba: in a way that it can always be moved to the real place? Feb 23 15:50:51 IIRC wishlist pages have an automatic disclaimer at teh top saying 'this is future struff that doesn't work' Feb 23 15:51:02 that doesn't go away until you put in the magic incantation, Feb 23 15:51:30 ... Feb 23 15:52:17 should I make it "Wishlist: Data Traffic Monitor" and ask one of the core people to concider making a feature out of it? Feb 23 15:59:16 /stats pterodactyls Feb 23 15:59:18 oops Feb 23 16:00:03 :) Feb 23 16:01:21 LuitvD, basically if it's not a feature yet, it should be a Wishlist: article for clarity. Feb 23 16:01:36 jebba: done :) Feb 23 16:05:09 ya, looks nice ;) Feb 23 16:09:21 thanks :) Feb 23 16:36:25 <_-InFeRnO-_> hello Feb 23 16:36:44 <_-InFeRnO-_> anyone knows if i can compile OM on FreeBSD Feb 23 16:36:55 <_-InFeRnO-_> or i shouldn't bother Feb 23 16:38:16 <_-InFeRnO-_> ? Feb 23 16:39:54 yes Feb 23 16:40:10 <_-InFeRnO-_> but without kernel or trivial userspace utils? Feb 23 16:40:21 err... Feb 23 16:40:32 you'll need some software... Feb 23 16:40:36 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro Feb 23 16:40:37 <_-InFeRnO-_> yes Feb 23 16:40:40 take a look at that first Feb 23 16:40:53 <_-InFeRnO-_> but i want the OM userspace only Feb 23 16:41:04 <_-InFeRnO-_> i'll try to make that run on FBSD Feb 23 16:41:10 err... don't know how to do that :P Feb 23 16:41:21 <_-InFeRnO-_> i have to go through MokoMakefile Feb 23 16:41:44 you might... Feb 23 16:41:58 it's not mandatory... but it's the easyest way :P Feb 23 16:42:19 <_-InFeRnO-_> no Feb 23 16:42:25 <_-InFeRnO-_> i mean editing it Feb 23 16:43:07 ah, well... yes Feb 23 16:43:43 * LuitvD just started executing the modified mokomakefile for qemuarm Feb 23 16:49:29 <_-InFeRnO-_> aaargh Feb 23 16:49:37 <_-InFeRnO-_> the mokomakefile is too confusing Feb 23 16:49:59 <_-InFeRnO-_> this bugs me Feb 23 16:55:36 <_-InFeRnO-_> crap. I fetch from SVN, but it freezes at the 20th or so file Feb 23 16:56:55 just let it keep running.... Feb 23 16:57:21 <_-InFeRnO-_> it's at uboot, something that I don't need Feb 23 16:59:19 <_-InFeRnO-_> for how much time it's supposed to fetch Feb 23 16:59:36 _-InFeRnO-_: dude, relax. :) Feb 23 17:00:32 <_-InFeRnO-_> i'm in a rush to hack mercilessly code Feb 23 17:01:30 <_-InFeRnO-_> yaay it's now fetching all text files Feb 23 17:02:58 <_-InFeRnO-_> is OM right now capable of Bluetooth OBEX Feb 23 17:10:20 _-InFeRnO-_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#Bluetooth Feb 23 17:12:52 <_-InFeRnO-_> no Feb 23 17:12:59 <_-InFeRnO-_> i want to know about software Feb 23 17:13:36 It's as capable as linux. Feb 23 17:13:42 <_-InFeRnO-_> no Feb 23 17:13:43 There are no actual apps written yet. Feb 23 17:13:49 <_-InFeRnO-_> does it have support in the apps Feb 23 17:13:52 There are no actual apps written yet. Feb 23 17:13:57 <_-InFeRnO-_> (filemanager) Feb 23 17:14:19 Or the apps that are are in a very, very basic state. Feb 23 17:14:30 It's 7 months till release time, it'll work then. Feb 23 17:23:31 <_-InFeRnO-_> ne1 knows where i can download the QVGA gtk theme? Feb 23 17:30:57 _-InFeRnO-_, qvga is 320x240, ya? this thing is 480x640 Feb 23 17:32:01 jebba: which thing? openmoko != neo1973 :) Feb 23 17:32:57 well, i kind of assumed he's thinking neo1973 as there are no other openmoko devices, but i understand your point... Feb 23 17:37:17 but who was wroking on the QVGA theme? Feb 23 17:37:20 there might be some others Feb 23 17:37:29 appeared somewhere in the bugzilla... Feb 23 17:37:30 Stefan Schmidt i believe Feb 23 17:37:48 buz: still no mail? Feb 23 17:37:56 no Feb 23 17:38:01 same here Feb 23 17:41:09 LuitvD: yep, bug #197 Feb 23 17:48:09 thanks dottedmag Feb 23 17:52:42 yeah, qvga theme right after fosdem :D Feb 23 17:53:57 now we just need e28 to cooperate Feb 23 17:54:02 openmoko: 03werner * r1084 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (preboot-override.patch uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch): Feb 23 17:54:02 openmoko: common/env_common.c (env_relocate): if preboot_override is set, always use the Feb 23 17:54:02 openmoko: default environment Feb 23 17:54:02 openmoko: board/neo1973/neo1973.c (board_late_init): activate the LCM before the Feb 23 17:54:02 openmoko: backlight, to avoid white flash Feb 23 17:54:24 lol, that's a nice patch :D Feb 23 18:05:06 _-InFeRnO-_: mokomakefile seems to work just fine under fbsd after you install devel/monotone and use gmake instead of make to invoke it Feb 23 18:37:41 counter? Feb 23 18:37:42 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; 5 days 16:48:07 (-0.300 - 5.700 days) for devices for selected developers (2007-02-28); a month, 5 days (21.700 - 36.700 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-03-31); 7 months, 5 days (189.700 - 219.700 days) for mass market (2007-09-30): see topic for more info (390) Feb 23 18:38:07 yay, lower release limit of p0 passed :P Feb 23 18:38:28 I assume there'd be something on the ML saying 'shipped - WOO!' if they had. Feb 23 18:38:46 yeah... something like that... Feb 23 18:39:00 so it's not shipped on the lower limit of the expected range Feb 23 18:39:11 any day now :) Feb 23 18:39:34 I assume they are trying the hardware fixes for P0 phones, before releasing em. Feb 23 18:39:51 yeah :) Feb 23 18:40:05 were some power management problems I heard... Feb 23 18:40:15 s/.../ of.../ Feb 23 18:40:16 LuitvD meant: were some power management problems I heard of... Feb 23 18:40:57 oh noes, rain :( Feb 23 18:41:31 np: It's raining phones - The Neogirls. Feb 23 18:43:33 neogirls? Feb 23 18:43:39 lol Feb 23 18:44:45 * LuitvD still waits for a response from e28 Feb 23 18:45:41 openmoko: 03werner * r1085 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (3 files): Feb 23 18:45:41 openmoko: patches/uboot-neo1973-resume.patch, Feb 23 18:45:41 openmoko: uboot-s3c2410-norelocate_irqvec_cpy.patch: Feb 23 18:45:41 openmoko: cpu/arm920t/start.S: make better use of the condition field Feb 23 18:45:41 openmoko: patches/uboot-s3c2410-nand_mmc.patch: removed, it's now in ~nand and ~mmc Feb 23 19:02:13 afk Feb 23 19:08:12 so there ARE black neos Feb 23 19:08:15 thank goodness Feb 23 19:08:31 http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/af9aa618ea7c0110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd/2.html Feb 23 19:09:33 personally i'd even vote for black edges Feb 23 19:13:11 :) Feb 23 19:13:30 yay, finally, screen and case :D Feb 23 19:14:16 thats order of magnitude better than the white one Feb 23 19:14:38 openmoko: 03werner * r1086 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (3 files): (log message trimmed) Feb 23 19:14:38 openmoko: uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: Feb 23 19:14:38 openmoko: include/configs/neo1973.h: added CFG_UBOOT_SIZE, the number of bytes to load Feb 23 19:14:38 openmoko: from NAND Feb 23 19:14:38 openmoko: uboot-s3c2410-nand.patch: Feb 23 19:14:39 openmoko: cpu/arm920t/start.S: use CFG_UBOOT_SIZE instead of hard-coded 0x30000 Feb 23 19:14:41 omg, that thing actually looks so perfect :| Feb 23 19:14:43 openmoko: nand-dynamic_partitions.patch: Feb 23 19:14:44 (i just wonder why it shows up at popsci of all places) Feb 23 19:16:07 it's great the neo doesn't have shiny plastic, which get's ugly/dirty easily Feb 23 19:16:40 the white one looks shiny to me Feb 23 19:17:01 yeah Feb 23 19:18:09 so, who'se device is that? Feb 23 19:18:18 lol Feb 23 19:24:01 oeh, I'd like an anti-RFID wallet :D Feb 23 19:24:59 http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/8d93eed0735ae010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd/17.html Feb 23 19:25:21 should be trivial to do Feb 23 19:25:30 old faraday should greatly help there Feb 23 19:25:35 :) Feb 23 19:25:51 it's done the good old faraday way Feb 23 19:26:00 so no permanent damage to rfid chips Feb 23 19:26:15 which is probably advantageous Feb 23 19:26:33 mhh would tinfoil be enough? Feb 23 19:27:37 not really... Feb 23 19:27:49 you need some sort of grid... Feb 23 19:28:11 special grid, depending on frequency of the desired filtered signal Feb 23 19:28:12 it's been half a decade since my last physics course ;) Feb 23 19:28:45 neways... going to watch some television Feb 23 19:34:09 this is another look at those black neos http://www.engadget.com/gallery/openmoko-neo1973/161336/ Feb 23 19:38:27 these are real ones i take it? Feb 23 19:51:01 openmoko: 03werner * r1087 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (lowlevel_foo.patch series): Feb 23 19:51:01 openmoko: Merged low_level.bin from http://people.openmoko.org/laforge/tmp/bbt-20070206/ Feb 23 19:51:01 openmoko: into regular u-boot build. Feb 23 20:05:46 buz: i believe so Feb 23 20:42:54 morning Feb 23 20:44:24 hey rwhitby :) Feb 23 20:45:39 openmoko: 03laforge * r1088 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/usb_dfu.h: add dfu file header structure Feb 23 20:46:07 jebba: anything interesting happen in the last 18 hours? Feb 23 20:46:19 There were rumors of P0 delays. Feb 23 20:46:25 No clarification though. Feb 23 20:46:31 Not bad delays. Feb 23 20:46:37 No mention of P1. Feb 23 20:46:42 oh, i'm just figuring out *.bb packages a bit. And I think I chose a PITA package to start with (doing an updated dasher 4.3.3...) Feb 23 20:47:03 a few more fotos appeared on the 'net of the device. The OLPC folks got one somehow :) Feb 23 20:47:16 yep, saw that one, thanks. Feb 23 20:47:21 openmoko: 03laforge * r1089 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/ (main.c sam7dfu.h): Feb 23 20:47:21 openmoko: * add new '-t' option to specify transfer size Feb 23 20:47:21 openmoko: * fix '--help' message indentation Feb 23 20:47:21 openmoko: * enable up/download Feb 23 20:47:21 openmoko: * limit transfer size to PAGE_SIZE, since usbdevio (linux kernel) can't handle bigger control xfers Feb 23 20:47:23 openmoko: * add new sam7dfu.h header file Feb 23 20:49:10 evening. just read the specs for the phone, very impressive Feb 23 20:49:22 will try to get one of the early models (I've done embedded dev before) Feb 23 20:49:35 get in line ;) Feb 23 20:49:39 :) Feb 23 20:49:48 bit curious to why it has no edge and/or 3g though :) Feb 23 20:50:10 openmoko != neo1973 Feb 23 20:50:20 yeah I know Feb 23 20:50:27 the neo is just the first device Feb 23 20:50:27 but it's pretty much only one phone in question so far :) Feb 23 20:50:48 actually, not so. there are reports of htc universal working Feb 23 20:50:56 cool Feb 23 20:51:07 edge probably a cost issue thingy, and as for 3g, better start with gsm which is more globally usable Feb 23 20:51:15 (not sure if it's actually made a call yet) Feb 23 20:51:18 (probably a cost thing there too) Feb 23 20:51:45 I'm glad it's not 3G, cause that would cost me more to use it. Feb 23 20:52:10 yeah I guess it's not very nice for those who can't actually use the things with added costs Feb 23 20:52:18 but a model with 3g would surely sell well in europe Feb 23 20:52:43 I'm sure there will be a 3g version sooner or later Feb 23 20:52:47 yep Feb 23 20:52:57 still want to get the dev version though, from a dev perspective Feb 23 20:53:18 me too, plus from an "I wants it, my preciousss" perspective Feb 23 20:53:35 yeah, from an *openmoko* point of view, gsm vs 3g makes no difference (until the software platform is in a state where it could actually do video and stuff) Feb 23 20:53:42 yeah Feb 23 20:53:48 mjr: lol exactly Feb 23 20:53:53 early hardware is sexy Feb 23 20:54:11 (i.e. gsm/gprs vs 3g is not going to affect the contacts application and the writing of location-aware profiles for instance) Feb 23 20:54:37 given that the whole point of the project is the sofware platform, not the hardware ... Feb 23 20:54:38 would also prefer a 2d accelerator (low end nvidia embedded perhaps), to give the user end a response boost Feb 23 20:54:45 yep Feb 23 20:55:33 maybe they intentionally made it low-end, to encourage embedded developers who know how to optimise for space and speed, rather than people who just port desktop java apps to a phone ... Feb 23 20:55:42 hehe Feb 23 20:55:52 sounds unlikely Feb 23 20:55:57 more of a cost/design issue Feb 23 20:56:33 of course, but it does have that nice side effect of sorting out real functionality apps vs glitz apps. Feb 23 20:56:41 rwhitby: got an error on the mokomakefile... Feb 23 20:56:51 though I think it itsn't the mokomakefile being wrong... Feb 23 20:56:58 well, considering they want some of that glitz too in the theme... ;) Feb 23 20:57:02 LuitvD[foo]: you need to become a developer to get the lastest patches ... Feb 23 20:57:14 really? :S Feb 23 20:57:25 why? Feb 23 20:57:56 cause anon svn access is not working on projects.openmoko.org, so you can't see all the latest work otherwise. Feb 23 20:58:35 rwhitby: but can the mokomakefile do the work for me, if I could access the svn? Feb 23 20:59:01 yes, I'm talking about the openmoko svn repo, which holds the patches needed to build head properly Feb 23 20:59:44 err... Feb 23 20:59:53 LuitvD: did you see my email to openmoko-devel about that the other day? Feb 23 21:00:00 it does get a lot of patches... Feb 23 21:00:24 ( http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-February/000417.html ) Feb 23 21:00:33 thanks MacNorth Feb 23 21:01:02 no worries :) Feb 23 21:01:19 but I'm not sure if that's the one... Feb 23 21:01:28 that's the first mail about mokomakefile... Feb 23 21:01:37 the thread has some help Feb 23 21:02:26 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-February/000506.html and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-February/000541.html to be more specific Feb 23 21:02:37 I played a bit around with palm os dev a while ago Feb 23 21:02:45 It made me never want to dev for palm again Feb 23 21:02:52 lol Feb 23 21:03:07 most horribly patched wreck of a tool chain ever. Feb 23 21:03:56 * rwhitby builds head to see if anything has changed ... Feb 23 21:04:47 * MetaBookfoziS annoyed about the small display... Feb 23 21:04:58 why this little one is builded to the openmoko? Feb 23 21:05:08 MetaBookfoziS: it's an awesome display. Feb 23 21:05:14 MacNorth: yeah, those are the things which have been fixed at projects.openmoko.org/mokomakefile, but anonymous svn access to that new version of MokoMakefile doesn't work. Feb 23 21:05:26 you can read really small stuff on it Feb 23 21:05:26 ? Feb 23 21:05:40 i know, but it's useless as a touchscreen Feb 23 21:05:43 (i think) Feb 23 21:05:55 for example, howyou contruct an on screen display? Feb 23 21:06:47 e.g. https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=mokomakefile Feb 23 21:07:05 MetaBookfoziS: huh? the touchscreen works fine. Feb 23 21:07:10 and "svn checkout svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org//var/lib/gforge/chroot/svnroot/mokomakefile" doesn't work either Feb 23 21:07:42 works works, but your finger pushes the 20%of the screen... Feb 23 21:08:04 no kidding, 'Repository not found' Feb 23 21:08:10 * rwhitby has given up trying to justify the hardware choices to people, since openmoko is about software, not hardware ... Feb 23 21:08:17 good thing I'm friedrij :) Feb 23 21:08:32 yep, sorry, so neo, and i know it isn't changeable Feb 23 21:08:35 hey MacNorth/friedrij :-) Feb 23 21:08:41 but i wonder why ... Feb 23 21:08:57 MacNorth: is head building for you? Feb 23 21:09:00 wtf is it useless as touchscreen Feb 23 21:09:10 the p900 screen is barely larger and eminently useable as touchscreen Feb 23 21:09:11 was going to ask a question about that Feb 23 21:09:15 it's small Feb 23 21:09:19 not? Feb 23 21:09:25 big enough Feb 23 21:09:38 43.2 x 57.6 Feb 23 21:09:38 using MokoMakefile grabes everything under the sun practically Feb 23 21:09:59 4cm*6cm is not "big" :/ Feb 23 21:10:06 MacNorth: everything required to build openmoko-devel-image, yes. Feb 23 21:10:10 how do you build head? do you move/copy the makefile to another place or build it in your svn repo Feb 23 21:10:23 big enough Feb 23 21:11:11 MacNorth: check out the MokoMakefile svn repo to a new dir, so you have Makefile and patches dir. Then that makefile does the work. Feb 23 21:11:43 or if you have an existing mokomakefile from the website, just svn co over the top of it. the Makefile from the svn repo replaces the one from the website. Feb 23 21:12:20 right, but if i start MokoMakefile in the new svn co directory, then openmoko's svn co is nested in a sense. i was hoping to keep things a bit more flat Feb 23 21:12:40 no, that's intentional, to keep the two svn repos separate. Feb 23 21:12:52 (since we don't have write access to the openmoko repo) Feb 23 21:13:03 a 'svn st' would fill screens :) Feb 23 21:14:00 no, because the top-level svn doesn't know about the lower level ones, so it ignores them. Feb 23 21:14:31 but all of the downloaded files and stamps would be in the top level dir. Feb 23 21:14:34 (i.e. neither of bitbake or openmoko have been 'svn add'ed to the top-level Feb 23 21:14:48 a lonely MokoMakefile creates and populates 5 directories Feb 23 21:14:49 no, they are in subdirs bitake, openmoko, openembedded Feb 23 21:15:13 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6896388758.html what a waste, using a tasty imx31 to do gsm Feb 23 21:15:14 yes, the top-level populates the 5 subdirs from their respective source repositories. Feb 23 21:16:18 what's the website for opensource project of cartography that shoud be good for openmoko ? Feb 23 21:16:31 can't remember and i don't find :( Feb 23 21:17:01 MacNorth: the only difference between the MokoMakefile from www.rwhitby.net and the one from the MokoMakefile svn repo is that the latter grabs it's mokomakefile-specific patches (the ones that fix problems in the official stuff) from an svn repo. everything else is the same. Feb 23 21:17:12 Genesis_: openstreetmaps? Feb 23 21:17:16 yeap merci Feb 23 21:17:18 thanks Feb 23 21:17:30 bookmarked this time Feb 23 21:18:08 alright, i'll give it a shot. :) silly to speak from inexperience Feb 23 21:18:08 lol Feb 23 21:18:30 rwhitby: now where do I get the right mokomakefile to run overnight? Feb 23 21:18:46 nice Feb 23 21:18:51 rwhitby: or do I need to register to subversion to get the mokomakefile to work... Feb 23 21:19:03 LuitvD: you need to be registered on projects.openmoko.org, and I need to add you as a dev on the MokoMakefile project, then you need to upload your ssh key, then you need to check out the repo and then you have it. Feb 23 21:19:23 hmm Feb 23 21:19:28 (this is all only until they fix anon svn access, in which case anyone will be able to check it out anonymously and run it) Feb 23 21:19:36 * LuitvD tries to do whatever rwhitby just described Feb 23 21:19:51 err... Feb 23 21:20:15 so it might be fixed in a day or two, making this move unnessesary? Feb 23 21:21:01 Since it looks like anon svn access is not going to be fixed any time soon (as LaF0rge is busy with more important stuff), I'll probably just change it so it publishes the patches to the web somewhere and the Makefile grabs them from there instead of getting them by anon svn. Feb 23 21:21:06 is it a problem with anon subversion, or did they intend to deny anonymous access? Feb 23 21:21:23 ah Feb 23 21:21:23 I believe it's just a GForge setup problem. Feb 23 21:21:32 i can see the anon ftp space Feb 23 21:21:41 ftp://mokomakefile.projects.openmoko.org/pub/mokomakefile/ Feb 23 21:21:47 that's not ftp space.... Feb 23 21:21:53 that's subversion isn't it? Feb 23 21:22:04 it's what Gforge calls 'ftp' :) Feb 23 21:22:17 oh, wait :P Feb 23 21:22:24 that one :P Feb 23 21:22:32 thought you were browsing svnweb Feb 23 21:22:42 svnweb is not working either. Feb 23 21:23:31 basically, projects.openmoko.org is not really useable at the moment - it's sort of 'write-only' unless you have developer access to the repo you're interested in. Feb 23 21:23:53 (I'm not complaining, cause LaF0rge is doing more important stuff like getting my P0 phone to work :-) Feb 23 21:24:19 So I'll work around it sometime over the weekend or next week. Feb 23 21:24:51 the svn snapshot link appears to work http://projects.openmoko.org/snapshots.php?group_id=11 Feb 23 21:25:28 yeah, but the time delay will cause lots of support overhead, cause I'll fix a problem but people won't be able to see the fix for 12 - 24 hours. Feb 23 21:26:15 no, I'll just set it up so that I can push the set of patches to a web site, and the Makefile just grabs them from there. Otherwise I'll just move the svn repo to svn.nslu2-linux.org until svn.projects.openmoko.org works. Feb 23 21:27:02 * rwhitby wonders if they are using svn 1.4, so I could svn sync the repo to a different server and provide anon access from the different server ... Feb 23 21:27:48 LuitvD: you could start with the snapshot that MacNorth just pointed to. That should build head. Feb 23 21:28:21 strange, currently the first mokomakefile hangs on something stupid... Feb 23 21:28:31 it will be a pain to keep up to date without svn access. Feb 23 21:28:35 libx11-X11R7 Feb 23 21:30:35 :S Feb 23 21:30:37 why? Feb 23 21:30:51 is it because one of those patches missing? Feb 23 21:31:12 probably Feb 23 21:31:28 that sucks... Feb 23 21:31:53 LuitvD: you can get latest MokoMakefile and patches from http://projects.openmoko.org/snapshots.php?group_id=11 Feb 23 21:32:02 thnx Feb 23 21:34:07 ugh, can't wait for that e28 response... Feb 23 21:34:34 LuitvD: did you publish the email you sent somewhere? Feb 23 21:34:34 I really hope the response is in the form of a device :) Feb 23 21:34:35 phone them? Feb 23 21:34:48 SpeedEvil: I can't speak chinese :P Feb 23 21:34:55 (e.g. pastebin it?) Feb 23 21:35:01 and international calls are REALLY expensive Feb 23 21:35:09 rwhitby: just a sec... Feb 23 21:38:42 I'm not up to date on call technologies, will the current phone work in europe? (scandinavia) Feb 23 21:38:43 NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed Feb 23 21:38:49 head still builds Feb 23 21:38:51 nice ;) Feb 23 21:39:32 rwhitby: with anon svn? Feb 23 21:39:46 DesktopMa: it should. asia and europe share similar gsm bands Feb 23 21:42:15 rwhitby: can you view this? http://docs.google.com/a/luitvd.nl/Doc?id=dvbgvdq_0hb2sqv Feb 23 21:42:29 or do I need to dump it as plain text on my domain? Feb 23 21:44:23 LuitvD: can't see that. Just pastebin it. Feb 23 21:44:35 * LuitvD looks for pastebin Feb 23 21:44:46 ~pastebin Feb 23 21:44:48 from memory, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites Feb 23 21:45:46 http://pastebin.com/887592 Feb 23 21:46:21 heh, apt was not joking about pastebin.com being slow ... Feb 23 21:46:27 :) Feb 23 21:46:34 pastebin.ca is a bit better Feb 23 21:46:57 thought google docs was slow... pastebin.com was working at the same speed Feb 23 21:47:53 rwhitby: I hope I didn't tell any false facts in that mail... Feb 23 21:50:00 maybe some more people should inquire Feb 23 21:50:05 so they see there is interest? Feb 23 21:50:19 wow, I'd love to see something like this from openmoko: http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/main.php/v/opie12/console.png.html Feb 23 21:50:21 :D Feb 23 21:50:38 that's VGA res.. look at the amount of space there :D Feb 23 21:51:03 yeah, only on the neo it will be about 1/4 as big as on your screen Feb 23 21:51:26 yeah :) Feb 23 21:51:28 well... Feb 23 21:51:33 1/3 Feb 23 21:51:38 if you want THAT Feb 23 21:51:43 get an universal Feb 23 21:51:53 my screen is 96dpi Feb 23 21:52:05 the neo is 280? Feb 23 21:52:28 285 was it Feb 23 21:52:29 err. i don't want THAT, i want that amount of info... Feb 23 21:52:45 be sure to carry a magnifiying glass Feb 23 21:53:06 then it's 2,96875 times bigger on my screen then on a neo :D Feb 23 21:53:16 i thought you had decided that you dont really need vga Feb 23 21:53:21 what, you people don't have good eyes? ;) Feb 23 21:53:58 buz: haven't decided just yet... Feb 23 21:54:18 buz: those real-life pictures of the black neo blew my mind Feb 23 21:54:31 sure Feb 23 21:54:32 anybody know the public release date for the neo1973? Feb 23 21:54:45 still, if e28 was cooperative, id get a 2881 Feb 23 21:54:45 counter Feb 23 21:54:45 P0: 5 days 13:31:03 (-0.437 - 5.563 days); P1: 21.563 - 36.563; P2: 189.563 - 219.563 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (391) Feb 23 21:55:00 buz: yeah, I guess I'd do so too... Feb 23 21:55:10 somehow i doubt it, though Feb 23 21:55:11 counter Feb 23 21:55:11 P0: 5 days 13:30:37 (-0.437 - 5.563 days); P1: 21.563 - 36.563; P2: 189.563 - 219.563 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (392) Feb 23 21:55:23 considering they dont answer to mails in 30h Feb 23 21:55:28 I'd already do it if the e2881 is cheaper then the neo1973 Feb 23 21:55:48 i dont really care for price so much Feb 23 21:56:00 as long as its not in the road region Feb 23 21:56:01 well, it's 6:30 am there now... Feb 23 21:56:24 still they had a full day Feb 23 21:56:37 lol, if linuxdevices tells us it's a low-cost phone... then I don't expect it to be road-like Feb 23 21:56:41 at least coming back with: "we're investigating it" would be nice Feb 23 21:56:44 err. it's weekend there now :) Feb 23 21:56:52 not sure Feb 23 21:57:01 china runs on another time than we do, really Feb 23 21:57:09 yeah, that'd be awesome, if one of those E28 guys would drop by in this channel would be cool too Feb 23 21:57:26 buz: my world-clock tells me it's saturdaymorning, half past six Feb 23 21:57:38 technically thats true Feb 23 21:57:43 P0 is for public release? sorry, i don't know what p0,p1 and p2 mean Feb 23 21:57:44 but that doesnt mean people dont work on saturday Feb 23 21:57:49 so if they work on saturdays, we can expect a response today Feb 23 21:58:08 and if they don't, we might even have to wait till monday Feb 23 21:58:14 it's Chinese New Year right now, everyone has the entire week off. Feb 23 21:58:16 or tuesday for that matter Feb 23 21:58:26 also, Taiwan != China. Feb 23 21:58:30 ROC Feb 23 21:58:37 oh its chinese new year? Feb 23 21:58:40 why on earth is that always in a week like this XD Feb 23 21:58:42 year of the piggy Feb 23 21:58:47 yay Feb 23 21:58:54 let's hug the piggies Feb 23 21:58:56 stupid new year keeps moving right? Feb 23 21:59:03 * LuitvD grabs his dad Feb 23 21:59:04 :) Feb 23 21:59:12 'taiwan != china' depends who you ask ;) china would disagree Feb 23 21:59:29 MacNorth: which is why i usually dont get into that discussion on irc ;) Feb 23 21:59:35 sorry to interrupt, just learned about OpenMoko... Is there actually any hardware available ? Feb 23 21:59:49 same question here Feb 23 21:59:51 DeVol: almost Feb 23 21:59:52 DeVol: prototypes Feb 23 21:59:56 axelm3: same answer Feb 23 21:59:58 :) Feb 23 21:59:58 final will ship in march Feb 23 22:00:11 (should, anyway) Feb 23 22:00:17 that's not final... Feb 23 22:00:28 that's more like public beta :P Feb 23 22:00:29 first appaerance looks frightingly similar to iPhone... Feb 23 22:00:34 which is a good thing ofcourse ;) Feb 23 22:00:42 DeVol: nah... it's better :) Feb 23 22:00:54 not very much similarity to the iphone, actually Feb 23 22:00:57 DeVol: why would you want it to look like an apple product? :S Feb 23 22:01:02 besides being touchcsreen only Feb 23 22:01:07 does it support normal GSM ? Feb 23 22:01:12 yes Feb 23 22:01:12 yes Feb 23 22:01:14 and GPRS Feb 23 22:01:20 WIFI ? Feb 23 22:01:20 When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F Feb 23 22:01:27 LOL Feb 23 22:01:36 owned by aloril's script once again :) Feb 23 22:01:48 FPGA Feb 23 22:01:49 i only recently discovered Trolltech's Greenphone.. i thought that was cool Feb 23 22:01:59 V12 Feb 23 22:01:59 DeVol: yeah, and expensive Feb 23 22:02:08 what is the msrp on these phones? Feb 23 22:02:11 yeah similar to iPhone Feb 23 22:02:11 mhh no scripts for those, bummer Feb 23 22:02:15 350$ Feb 23 22:02:25 DeVol: you can get at least two Neo's for the price of one Greenphone Feb 23 22:02:25 only 350? :p Feb 23 22:02:27 And MSRP = price. Feb 23 22:02:35 so whats the price of the neo? Feb 23 22:02:39 as there are no other ways to uy them. Feb 23 22:02:43 350$ Feb 23 22:02:48 plus shipping Feb 23 22:03:05 MSRP? Feb 23 22:03:10 that would put it at about 500 or more here in my country (argentina) Feb 23 22:03:15 and where do they ship from ? :0 Feb 23 22:03:20 manuf sugg retail price Feb 23 22:03:21 taiwan? Feb 23 22:03:22 taiwan likely Feb 23 22:03:41 but phones are light Feb 23 22:03:47 so its actually a company building this hardware? Feb 23 22:03:47 taiwan/china/japan shipping isn't that expensive ... Feb 23 22:03:48 shipping should not be that bad Feb 23 22:04:00 taxes here are the prob Feb 23 22:04:06 DeVol: it's First International Computer Inc. Feb 23 22:04:08 it highly depends on what you're shipping how fast Feb 23 22:04:16 DeVol: shortly FIC Inc. Feb 23 22:04:22 i've seen laptop sized packages cost 200$ Feb 23 22:04:34 from taiwan? Feb 23 22:04:39 So FIC started up the OpenMoko software project too then ? Feb 23 22:04:40 hongkong Feb 23 22:04:45 broadly similar Feb 23 22:04:53 but that was 48h guaranteed Feb 23 22:05:08 i've had 2kg shipping from HK for 10 dollars Feb 23 22:05:15 :) Feb 23 22:05:22 that was 4 weeks guaranteed :P Feb 23 22:05:26 pitty i'm more of a Qt than a Gnome fan :( Feb 23 22:05:34 guaranteed to take AT LEAST 4 weeks Feb 23 22:05:43 nope Feb 23 22:05:47 my gp2x costed an additional 50euros in taxes Feb 23 22:05:52 also from hk Feb 23 22:06:10 to belgium that is Feb 23 22:06:13 well you can put qt on neo no problem there Feb 23 22:07:53 even real qt, not just qtopia Feb 23 22:08:21 too bad gprs is a rip off in my country, otherwise the business oportunities are incredible Feb 23 22:08:23 IF iget a neo, my quest will be to run kde on it Feb 23 22:09:13 mine will be to run both moko and opie/gpe (one of those two) Feb 23 22:09:30 (so two graphic environments installed) Feb 23 22:09:30 that should be comparably simple Feb 23 22:09:39 yeah Feb 23 22:09:47 I somewhat liked opie on my Palm PDA Feb 23 22:09:48 kde might run into resource constraints Feb 23 22:09:54 (320x320 screen) Feb 23 22:12:34 counter :) Feb 23 22:13:03 axelm3: please, /msg aloril counter Feb 23 22:13:10 :P Feb 23 22:15:55 think about it, amarok on a phone Feb 23 22:16:31 dream on :P Feb 23 22:16:32 too many buttons and tabs Feb 23 22:16:54 The MP3 decoder is interesting. Feb 23 22:17:05 by far best musc player ever Feb 23 22:17:09 i can think of at least 6 commercial applications that I could develop on this :) Feb 23 22:17:12 yeh i was just wondering, does it have audio out / in ? Feb 23 22:17:16 If the CPU can without causing audio clicks be switched from slow to fast mode, and back. Feb 23 22:17:34 does everything have to be released GPL? Feb 23 22:17:35 DeVol: yes Feb 23 22:17:37 that shouldn't be a problem Feb 23 22:17:37 Then it makes much more sense to decode in fast mode to a large buffer, and squirt it out in slow mode. Feb 23 22:17:40 you'd buffer a small part anyway Feb 23 22:17:47 axelm3: well, free software of some sort. Feb 23 22:17:51 I mean several meg of output. Feb 23 22:18:02 it would probably make sense to decode all of it even Feb 23 22:18:02 i mean, if i develop an app on this platform, can it be closed source? Feb 23 22:18:07 basically whole free ram Feb 23 22:18:09 axelm3: syre. Feb 23 22:18:10 cjb: actually it does not Feb 23 22:18:12 axelm3: yes Feb 23 22:18:19 cjb: afair all libs are lgpl Feb 23 22:18:41 which is why it isnt qtopia in the fist place Feb 23 22:19:18 buz: you can develop closed source stuff for qtopia, you just have to buy teh comercial version Feb 23 22:19:25 Slow mode/active fast 1/3 of the time takes around 150mW, just going idle only gets you to 250mW. Feb 23 22:19:28 which is $$$$ Feb 23 22:19:31 yes Feb 23 22:19:43 axelm3: *on* the platform, it can be whatever you can persuade people to buy (although I don't know why you expect people buying an open-source phone to pay for software). *For* the platform, ie. part of the platform, must be free software. Feb 23 22:19:51 actually I am puzzled what happens if you buy that license, but want to run hte app on the gpl version Feb 23 22:20:21 Harlekin: what's puzzling about it? Feb 23 22:20:31 the gpl applies to distribution, not use. Feb 23 22:20:44 i'd pursuade them to buy the phone because of the endless list of open source apps that can complement my application Feb 23 22:20:46 cjb: buz was talking about qtopia Feb 23 22:21:02 Harlekin: I know.. Feb 23 22:21:30 cjb: i guess you would need to build it static against comercial qtopia to run it on gpl qtopia Feb 23 22:22:20 i guess you have license for qtopia Feb 23 22:22:27 trolltech will hardly care Feb 23 22:22:57 would be stupid forcing people to link against the very same lib statically Feb 23 22:23:46 law is not very bendable Feb 23 22:23:55 dual licensing is Feb 23 22:24:26 if you're the copyright holder (and trolltech obviously is) you can bend qtopia's license whatever way you are Feb 23 22:24:27 want Feb 23 22:24:30 hi Feb 23 22:24:39 and the commercial license states that it is ok to link runtime against a gpl one? Feb 23 22:24:48 dunno Feb 23 22:24:57 dont see why it should prevent it Feb 23 22:25:02 and that does not violate the gpl? Feb 23 22:25:06 anyone making this for openmoko: http://www.yorku.ca/mack/CHI99a-f4.jpg ? Feb 23 22:25:08 Harlekin: the license doesn't care about what yoy use, it cares about what you distribute. Feb 23 22:25:33 http://www.yorku.ca/mack/CHI99a.html Feb 23 22:25:34 the gpl doesnt apply when you have paid for the commercial license Feb 23 22:25:53 what kind of keyboard is that? Feb 23 22:26:00 axelm3: a soft keyboard Feb 23 22:26:22 that looks really werd Feb 23 22:26:43 it's supposedly very quick to use for a single pointer input device Feb 23 22:26:45 read the page Feb 23 22:26:51 language specific keyboard suck Feb 23 22:27:14 buz: the point is that it's designed to be quick to use Feb 23 22:27:19 yes Feb 23 22:27:23 see how the most used keys are in the center Feb 23 22:27:23 but also only for english Feb 23 22:27:33 if i'm correct you just have to buy a per-developer-license if you want to distribute (sell) your qt-based software closed source Feb 23 22:27:44 buz: one could generate the most used letters for a different language and arrange the keys on the same keboard for that language Feb 23 22:27:55 DeVol: thats true for qt for sure, not sure about qtopia though Feb 23 22:27:56 just need a dictionary Feb 23 22:28:12 Plouj: so when i switch from german to english (which i do all the time) i need to use a nother keyboard= Feb 23 22:28:14 boy that sucks Feb 23 22:28:21 these licenses start from 1500$ orso Feb 23 22:28:39 i guess i'll just have to get exxonmobil to pay those 1500 for me then ;) Feb 23 22:29:05 axelm3: exxonmobil is your employer? :) Feb 23 22:29:09 buz: well, it sure isn't a finished product. It's just a research project. Feb 23 22:29:19 nope, my customer Feb 23 22:29:29 lol Feb 23 22:29:43 they have hundreds of technicians doing maintenance on the gasoline stations Feb 23 22:29:55 a nice logistics app running on one of these phones would be fantastic Feb 23 22:30:01 openmoko: 03werner * r1090 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/lowlevel_foo.patch: Makefile change broke build dependency, oops :-( Feb 23 22:30:16 any idea if any Canadian carriers are gonna support/provide bundles with openmoko? Feb 23 22:30:20 gps, manager signature, online gprs transmission to the coordination center Feb 23 22:30:43 axelm3; you work for tokheim? Feb 23 22:30:55 you can connect a USB fingerprint scanner and get the manager to "lend" the finger no make it non-refutable Feb 23 22:31:08 nope Feb 23 22:31:21 what company then? i work for tokheim btw ;) Feb 23 22:31:21 used to work for one of the big guys in that market Feb 23 22:31:31 used to for gvr Feb 23 22:31:42 and where are you ? Feb 23 22:31:44 arg Feb 23 22:32:02 and u? england? Feb 23 22:32:31 anyway Feb 23 22:32:31 belgium Feb 23 22:32:32 night Feb 23 22:32:39 'night baz Feb 23 22:32:51 sweet dreams (not about the e2881 !! ( Feb 23 22:32:58 loool Feb 23 22:33:05 i dont want to wake up in a lake of drool Feb 23 22:33:16 heheh Feb 23 22:33:23 does this phone have a camera Feb 23 22:33:23 ? Feb 23 22:33:36 better then with a dry mouth Feb 23 22:33:46 axelm3: what 'this phone' ? Feb 23 22:33:52 neo1973 Feb 23 22:34:02 nope Feb 23 22:41:11 Devol: check pm please Feb 23 22:41:28 there is no Feb 23 22:42:06 someting wrong? Feb 23 22:42:22 i dunno, i'm writing but apparently you arent receiveing Feb 23 22:43:02 i have 2 register my nick Feb 23 22:43:07 gime a sec Feb 23 22:44:08 axelm3: /msg nickserv register Feb 23 22:44:09 ;) Feb 23 22:49:53 hi Feb 23 22:50:56 hi CoreDump|home Feb 23 22:51:07 counter Feb 23 22:51:08 P0: 5 days 12:34:40 (-0.476 - 5.524 days); P1: 21.524 - 36.524; P2: 189.524 - 219.524 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (393) Feb 23 22:51:17 any news on P0? Feb 23 22:51:22 not really... Feb 23 22:51:30 CoreDump|home: will you recieve one? Feb 23 22:51:55 yep, I'm one of the lucky bastards =D Feb 23 22:52:00 hey CoreDump|home Feb 23 22:52:06 hi rwhitby Feb 23 22:52:12 basterd :P I want one too Feb 23 22:52:15 and an e2881 Feb 23 22:52:29 hehe Feb 23 22:52:34 * rwhitby is testing debian eabi armel image on nslu2 right now ... Feb 23 22:53:17 nslu2? Feb 23 22:53:29 that router? Feb 23 22:53:31 rwhitby: I'm still not used to the 3 bazillion different images available for the slug Feb 23 22:53:58 CoreDump|home: unslung, slugos, debian - only three really (and slugos has be and le flavours) Feb 23 22:54:20 what can I say, it's a versatile little device :-) Feb 23 22:54:23 damn, I really should get some sleep... Feb 23 22:54:34 screaming headache Feb 23 22:54:41 later all Feb 23 23:06:22 anyone here ordered there neo already or is that not possible yet? Feb 23 23:07:39 DeVol: the first free-for-all neos will be available for purchase at the end of march Feb 23 23:07:43 (~350$) Feb 23 23:08:49 cool Feb 23 23:09:55 yeh i know but i was just wondering if you can order them already Feb 23 23:10:12 you can't :\ Feb 23 23:10:36 some here already have a version i guess? Feb 23 23:14:27 very few have one already. The core devs got theirs only very recently, or so I heard =) Feb 23 23:14:53 the first non-core developers will get their neo in 5 to 20 days Feb 23 23:27:22 beta-tester ... phs waiting till v2 ? Feb 23 23:27:44 ^^ Feb 23 23:59:13 openmoko: 03werner * r1091 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/nand-dynamic_partitions.patch: Feb 23 23:59:13 openmoko: include/configs/neo1973.h (MTPARTS_DEFAULT): updated to new sizes Feb 23 23:59:13 openmoko: (u-boot: 192k -> 256k, u-boot_env: 8k -> 16k, splash: 2M -> 640k) Feb 24 00:02:03 * sixfeet ♫ Lamb Of God - Blacken The Cursed Sun Feb 24 00:02:46 * sixfeet needs multi-audio formats ;) Feb 24 00:13:44 Hmm. I hadn't seen the actual case images (rather than renders) before, with it on. Looks nice. Feb 24 00:13:48 (the popsci ones) Feb 24 00:42:17 *71 Feb 24 00:42:17 $GPGLL,5613.02,N,00306.78,W*70 Feb 24 00:42:17 $PGRMZ,370,f,2*1E Feb 24 00:42:17 $PGRMM,WGS 84*06 Feb 24 00:42:17 $GPXTE,A,A,,,N*3C Feb 24 00:42:17 $GPBOD,,T,,M,,*47 Feb 24 00:42:19 $GPBWC,011607,,,,,,T,,M,,N,*17 Feb 24 00:42:21 $GPVTG,360.0,T,006.5,M,000.0,N,000.0,K*48 Feb 24 00:42:23 $GPRMC,011607,A,5613.02,N,00306.78,W,000.0,360.0,240207,006.5,W*7B Feb 24 00:42:25 $GPRMB,A,,,,,,,,,,,,V*71 Feb 24 00:42:27 $GPGLL,5613.02,N,00306.78,W*70 Feb 24 00:42:29 $PGRMZ,370,f,2*1E Feb 24 00:42:31 oh... Feb 24 00:42:33 dear Feb 24 00:42:44 routing a board over irc? Feb 24 00:42:52 no, GPS. Feb 24 00:43:22 I thank you for the coordinates, a patriot missile is inbound in 5...4...3...2...1... Feb 24 00:43:27 I was trying to feed it as a test into a parser. Feb 24 01:53:25 openmoko: 03laforge * r1092 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-arm920t-gd_in_irq.patch): add patch to use 'gd' from interrupt context Feb 24 02:10:02 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 24 02:59:58 2007