**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 25 02:59:58 2007 Feb 25 03:07:57 <_muk_> zzzzz Feb 25 05:18:57 anybody grappling with MokoMakefile? Feb 25 05:21:53 seemed to run fine for 5 hours until I ran out of disk space :) Feb 25 05:22:36 any error message? Feb 25 05:22:37 yeah...that'll happen Feb 25 05:22:41 yes Feb 25 05:23:04 I think there are a couple of bugs in it, got a patchset Feb 25 05:23:30 waiting to finish compiling so I can verify they're correct Feb 25 05:23:35 not sure why it seems to take forever Feb 25 05:23:43 I mean, building a x86 kernel takes shorter time Feb 25 05:24:02 you're building a _lot_ more than a kernel Feb 25 05:24:54 the entire OS, plus syncing monotone databases Feb 25 05:25:10 yeah monotone part took alot of time Feb 25 05:25:55 going to have to do it over again on my workstation Feb 25 05:26:01 thank god it has a bit more processing power Feb 25 05:26:38 you should be able to copy a good bit of it over....I'm not familiar enough with it yet to know which parts you can't Feb 25 05:31:58 so...I figured this chat would be buzzing. Is there a devel room elsewhere or something? Feb 25 05:35:55 not that I know of. it's 7 am in europe, and late night in the US I guess Feb 25 05:36:05 so alot of people are sleeping. Feb 25 05:38:29 ah....it is getting a bit late Feb 25 05:38:46 perhaps I should log on sometime before midnight Feb 25 05:39:18 (1:15am Eastern US) Feb 25 05:54:53 openmoko: 03werner * r1112 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/boot-menu.patch: Feb 25 05:54:53 openmoko: board/neo1973/bootmenu.c: fixed file header Feb 25 05:54:53 openmoko: board/neo1973/bootmenu.c (bootmenu): run "dynpart" in factory default mode Feb 25 05:54:53 openmoko: board/neo1973/bootmenu.c (bootmenu): when starting, switch stdout and stderr to Feb 25 05:54:53 openmoko: "vga" Feb 25 05:58:46 libervisco: what makes you think they offer only EDGE and not also plain GPRS? Feb 25 06:20:10 counter Feb 25 06:20:10 P0: 4 days 05:05:29 (-1.788 - 4.212 days); P1: 20.212 - 35.212; P2: 188.212 - 218.212 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (396) Feb 25 07:17:16 hey Feb 25 07:18:44 correction, ... hey idlers Feb 25 07:51:44 i have modified in kernel source (build/mydistro/tmp/myarch/linux-2.6.17/path_to_my_file.c). How do i tell bitbake force re-build this kernel ? Feb 25 08:23:34 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r15 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/linux-gta01.patch: Commented out uboot-mkimage, cause u-boot is not listed in the DEPENDS (therefore does not exist in the build), and doesn't build from HEAD anyway. Feb 25 08:30:17 rwhitby: you there? Feb 25 08:30:50 rwhitby: I think I'm still doing something wrong... :S Feb 25 08:32:05 LuitvD: what's the problem? Feb 25 08:32:23 rwhitby: somehow it doesn't build ... again Feb 25 08:32:55 * rwhitby waits for a pastebin (not .com) with some useful debug information ... Feb 25 08:33:08 working on that Feb 25 08:34:00 rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/371412 Feb 25 08:34:10 that's what it says... Feb 25 08:35:03 ok, so you've done "make update" and bitbake -c clean'ed the kernel and tried again? Feb 25 08:35:14 mooning Feb 25 08:35:33 * rwhitby prefers not to watch xkr47 mooning ... Feb 25 08:35:44 rwhitby: I don't know, this is the output of the mokomakefile... I let it run overnight Feb 25 08:35:48 lol Feb 25 08:35:57 +r Feb 25 08:35:57 :) Feb 25 08:36:27 LuitvD: right that error has been fixed since then. First thing to do before reporting a problem is to make update and clean the package in question and try and rebuild the package in question. Feb 25 08:36:31 rwhitby: I ran make openmoko-devel-image > ./build_info Feb 25 08:36:44 and that pastebin is the last couple of lines in ./build_info Feb 25 08:37:26 rwhitby: aargh, I thought rebuilding SDCC was hell... Feb 25 08:38:10 LuitvD: you can always wait until the september release if you're not comfortable on the bleeding edge ... Feb 25 08:38:20 * fluffs found a set in the embedded room near a power socket Feb 25 08:38:29 seat Feb 25 08:38:33 fluffs: did you get into the moko talk? Feb 25 08:38:46 no, too big a queue Feb 25 08:39:07 I hope someone took some video. it will be a real bummer if no-one did. Feb 25 08:39:08 rwhitby: I'm used to running beta software... I'm just confused when there's a million makefiles Feb 25 08:39:27 yeah, I'd like to see the talk too :) Feb 25 08:39:44 LuitvD: that must be your problem then - there shall be only one makefile - the *MokoMakefile* :-) Feb 25 08:39:51 * fluffs found a power socket and got uboot compiling against gcc 2.95 Feb 25 08:40:25 fluffs: uboot current openmoko head seems to not even patch cleanly ... Feb 25 08:40:46 i took 1.2.0 Feb 25 08:41:04 nod Feb 25 08:41:09 if i had an usb a-b cable i could have tested it Feb 25 08:41:24 do you have a device nearby? Feb 25 08:41:41 i've got a qt2410 Feb 25 08:42:44 if i had a neo, it'd have been ok, everyone has a->minib Feb 25 08:43:02 | Patch uboot-arm920t_cp15_cmd.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) Feb 25 08:43:18 I'll wait for LaF0rge to fix that before re-enabling u-boot in the mokomakefile build. Feb 25 08:43:41 rwhitby: which svn revision does it take? the most recent? Feb 25 08:43:49 LuitvD: yes Feb 25 08:44:00 (that's what make update does) Feb 25 08:44:19 so if I build *now* it'd be diffrent from the built last night? Feb 25 08:44:28 * rwhitby has an ixp4xx-kernel do_deploy to beat into working with rm_work Feb 25 08:44:45 LuitvD: yes, in one important way - the build will work. Feb 25 08:44:46 * fluffs rarely builds from head... always take a specific version Feb 25 08:45:49 rwhitby: lol, so now the mokomakefile will succeed? Feb 25 08:45:51 fluffs: yeah, so do I, but the openmoko guys are insisting on this svnnow business, and I don't want mokomakefile building someting different to them (i.e. any bug reports from mokomakefile builds should match the core developer builds) Feb 25 08:50:55 rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/371418 Feb 25 08:51:03 is that correct? ... Feb 25 08:51:28 that revision number? Feb 25 08:52:06 rwhitby: later it tells me it's "Updated to revision 15." and also "Updated to revision 1112." Feb 25 08:53:54 rwhitby: oh never mind... Feb 25 08:53:58 rwhitby: now I see :) Feb 25 09:28:24 * LuitvD really hopes it builds now Feb 25 09:36:58 damn, ballmer is so full of bullshit Feb 25 09:37:40 I actually really hope he'll point out a part of the linux kernel as patent-infringing... Feb 25 09:38:20 and then let the kernel group prove him wrong, and let the claim get back at him Feb 25 09:39:20 I hope he get a heart infarction, then the bullshit also over ;-) Feb 25 09:39:42 SirCrow: after his claims get back at him Feb 25 09:39:54 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r16 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (series sjf2410-linux-native.patch): Moved the ordering of do_deploy in sjf2410-linux-native_svn.bb to be compatible with rm_work Feb 25 09:39:57 he really should feel the power of the linux community Feb 25 09:40:15 rwhitby: aah noes, not again... now I'll have to make update again Feb 25 09:40:20 :P Feb 25 09:41:05 LuitvD, fear sells good. Feb 25 09:41:12 only if you're using rm_work, which you're probably not, unless you've edited local.conf Feb 25 09:41:29 rwhitby: I did, I only changed the MACHINE type Feb 25 09:41:40 rwhitby: so I'm not sure Feb 25 09:41:53 if you've not added rm_work to INHERIT, then you don't need to restart. Feb 25 09:42:12 lol Feb 25 09:42:15 kthnx Feb 25 09:43:45 SirCrow: I mean that the violation of patents by linux will reverse and come back at him as violation of GNU-GPL by microsoft Feb 25 09:46:39 LuitvD, that would be nice but law suite are a wast of time and money in my opion. Feb 25 09:47:34 SirCrow: it is, but ballmer started this all... so it's up to us to prove him wrong, and get this over with for good Feb 25 09:48:01 if he wants patent infringment claims, he can get them back as GPL violations Feb 25 09:53:44 Yes that would be nice but I think he only try to frightened potential Linux users and doesn't dare actualy start a case. Feb 25 10:05:15 hooray, the do_deploy problem is the same problem in ixp4xx-kernel in nslu2, so I've fixed that too :-) Feb 25 10:12:29 hi Feb 25 10:27:28 openmoko: 03thomas * r1113 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Feb 25 10:27:28 openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.c: (make_widget): Support custom field types Feb 25 10:27:28 openmoko: * src/contacts-groups-editor.c: (contacts_groups_new_cb): Ensure the Feb 25 10:27:28 openmoko: add groups dialog will close Feb 25 11:30:14 rwhitby: still there? :) Feb 25 11:30:24 yup Feb 25 11:30:25 rwhitby: it stalled once more... Feb 25 11:30:33 making pastebin Feb 25 11:31:05 my build is up to libxml2 ... Feb 25 11:31:10 http://pastebin.ca/371505 Feb 25 11:31:30 (fyi: I'm attempting to build for qemuarm...) Feb 25 11:31:52 LuitvD: if i dont get an answer tomorrow, i'll try it at the us office Feb 25 11:31:58 you need X11 libraries installed on your host. Please add that to http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro if it's not already there. Feb 25 11:32:14 buz: yeah... maybe that's a good idea.. but how? Feb 25 11:32:30 rwhitby: why to that wiki? Feb 25 11:32:50 rwhitby: isn't it openmoko+qemuarm specific? Feb 25 11:32:50 cause that's all the stuff you need installed on the host to build OE stuff Feb 25 11:33:06 oh shit they dont list an email adress Feb 25 11:33:09 well hk office does Feb 25 11:33:16 :P Feb 25 11:33:17 libX11 is not openmoko specific package Feb 25 11:33:32 (install libx11-dev if you're on Debian) Feb 25 11:33:33 no, but it's downloaded isn't it? Feb 25 11:33:45 (apt-get *) Feb 25 11:33:48 :P Feb 25 11:34:51 (installing 10 packages needed for libx11-dev Feb 25 11:35:06 LuitvD: libx11 (the package you are building) is a standard OE package, not an OpenMoko-specific package. Feb 25 11:35:27 So the fact that it needs libx11-dev installed on your host is common to any use of OE that need to build that package. Feb 25 11:35:36 Hence the requirement goes on the OE wiki Feb 25 11:35:36 looks like it's building now... Feb 25 11:36:58 can I add that, or shal I tell someone on OE to do that? Feb 25 11:37:09 (or are you an OE core member? :S ) Feb 25 11:37:25 it's a wiki - you add it Feb 25 11:37:32 ... Feb 25 11:37:44 i'm no member of the OE wiki yet Feb 25 11:39:49 and I guess it's not the same as on ubuntu 6.10 Feb 25 11:39:54 running 7.04 here Feb 25 11:40:03 * LuitvD[eating] is off for dinner Feb 25 12:04:09 lol, needed libperl-dev too Feb 25 12:06:58 for testing in xoo, i have to build oe for x86, or just build each single app and lunche it in xoo ? Feb 25 12:14:37 aargh, this is crazy... perl won't work... Feb 25 12:23:21 aargh, looks like I've got some trouble with perl now... Feb 25 12:23:32 s/some/some serious/ Feb 25 12:23:32 LuitvD meant: aargh, looks like I've got some serious trouble with perl now... Feb 25 13:35:27 Well uys, I've been away from internet access for 3 days or so Feb 25 13:35:41 any news? Feb 25 13:36:18 no internet for 3 whole days ? omg ! /die Feb 25 13:36:40 it wasn't that bad :-) Feb 25 13:38:20 a post onplanet.openmoko.org infers that p0 has shipped Feb 25 13:38:24 do we know if that is true? Feb 25 13:40:52 * SpeedEvil examines his magic-8-ball. Feb 25 13:45:36 noidd: how does that post infer p0 has shipped? Feb 25 13:47:43 wishful thinking Feb 25 13:48:02 lol Feb 25 13:51:45 crap Feb 25 13:51:51 my p900 wont receive sms anymore Feb 25 13:52:00 and no neo in sight Feb 25 13:52:02 :P Feb 25 13:52:07 how did you do that? Feb 25 13:52:20 damned if i know Feb 25 13:52:26 if i restart it, it will occasionally get stored ones Feb 25 13:52:39 but not when they actually arrive Feb 25 13:52:51 ... Feb 25 13:53:07 oh well Feb 25 13:53:08 are SMSses stored on your SIM or internal storage? Feb 25 13:53:14 internal storage Feb 25 13:53:26 are you sure the SIM ain't flooded? Feb 25 13:53:31 yes Feb 25 13:53:37 hmm Feb 25 13:53:39 otherwise why would it occasionally get ne ones Feb 25 13:53:58 well it did a good job for over 3 years Feb 25 14:01:23 noidd: No, it has not been shipped yet Feb 25 14:01:34 The estimate is now early march Feb 25 14:01:37 mhh 35EUR for a moto 177 Feb 25 14:02:17 moto sucks tho Feb 25 14:03:01 p0 will ship after p1 at this rate ;) Feb 25 14:03:39 :_) Feb 25 14:05:00 damnit no neo, no e2881 in sight Feb 25 14:06:46 bummer Feb 25 14:06:50 still no mail Feb 25 14:10:26 is motofone available anywhere Feb 25 14:10:51 I guess not yet Feb 25 14:12:43 v177 it is then Feb 25 14:12:54 i wonder if i can unlock it Feb 25 14:13:02 comes simlocked to my network Feb 25 14:13:11 but maybe i can get rid of that t Feb 25 14:19:09 which document should i read to get a hang of compilation of aps and libs for openmoko platform ? Feb 25 14:43:57 openmoko: 03laforge * r1114 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: Feb 25 14:43:57 openmoko: gracefully restart from beginning (by issuing DFU_ABORT) if the device is left Feb 25 14:43:57 openmoko: in found in an 'incomplete {down,up}load' state Feb 25 15:08:23 openmoko: 03laforge * r1115 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/ (dfu.c dfu.h): add new dfu_status_to_string() function to stringify DFU_STATUS_* values Feb 25 15:08:54 openmoko: 03laforge * r1116 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: Feb 25 15:08:54 openmoko: * print non-OK DFU STATUS Feb 25 15:08:54 openmoko: * fix error message (copy+paste mistake) Feb 25 15:10:32 heheheh Feb 25 15:10:53 copy+paste ftw Feb 25 15:15:35 openmoko: 03laforge * r1117 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (dynpart-absorb-bad.patch nand-dynamic_partitions.patch): Feb 25 15:15:35 openmoko: * correctly handle gross/net partition sizes. I.e., if we erase a partition, Feb 25 15:15:35 openmoko: we want to erase all non-bad blocks in it. but if we write to it [skipping Feb 25 15:15:35 openmoko: blocks], then we definitely do not want to exceed the end of the partition. Feb 25 15:15:35 openmoko: This introduces one additional argument to the arg_off_size() function. Feb 25 15:15:39 openmoko: * Fix nand_isbad_bbt() to also consider 'factory default bad-blocks' as being bad Feb 25 15:19:29 counter Feb 25 15:19:29 P0: 3 days 20:06:08 (-2.162 - 3.838 days); P1: 19.838 - 34.838; P2: 187.838 - 217.838 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (397) Feb 25 15:20:45 openmoko: 03laforge * r1118 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: Feb 25 15:20:45 openmoko: * disable DFU debugging Feb 25 15:20:45 openmoko: * correctly use gross/net partition sizes Feb 25 15:20:45 openmoko: * correctly deal with bad blcoks in splash/kernel/rootfs partitions Feb 25 15:20:45 openmoko: * make sure we have a valid mtdparts environment variable before starting Feb 25 15:20:46 openmoko: * correctly restore dynenv OOB marker after flashing u-boot Feb 25 15:20:48 openmoko: * don't touch dfu_status when entering MANIFEST_SYNC Feb 25 15:26:54 For everybody who is interested in a second battery. Some guy found out that the Nokia BLC5 battery is compatible to the one in the NEO. Neo oine has 1200mA and the nokia one is available with 1700mA also. :) Feb 25 15:26:57 Have fun Feb 25 15:27:29 nokia blc5 Feb 25 15:27:34 will write that down :) Feb 25 15:27:45 thanks Feb 25 15:27:46 in the wiki please Feb 25 15:28:01 1 EUR + shipping on ebay Feb 25 15:28:07 oh, was thinking about writing it on tomboy note for myself :P Feb 25 15:38:35 counter Feb 25 15:38:35 P0: 3 days 19:47:01 (-2.176 - 3.824 days); P1: 19.824 - 34.824; P2: 187.824 - 217.824 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (398) Feb 25 15:40:43 that is good news indeed Feb 25 15:40:47 nokia batteries are widely available Feb 25 15:40:53 (tho i would NOT buy the 1eur ones) Feb 25 15:41:55 are you sure its not called BL-5C? Feb 25 15:42:09 cant find BLC5 Feb 25 15:43:14 buz: http://cgi.ebay.de/AKKU-f-NOKIA-3100-6030-6230-6680-7600-E60-N91-wie-BLC5_W0QQitemZ110095748310QQihZ001QQcategoryZ30414QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Feb 25 15:43:33 buz: BL-5C Feb 25 15:43:34 ebays search engine must be worth shit Feb 25 15:43:37 oh yes Feb 25 15:43:39 buz: sorry, typo Feb 25 15:43:44 those i can find tons of Feb 25 15:43:49 exactly Feb 25 15:44:10 remains the question which ones wont explode next to your face Feb 25 15:44:37 er, the non-nokia ones Feb 25 15:44:49 the cheap fake ones Feb 25 15:45:01 mhh the original one is only 850mah i think Feb 25 15:48:28 buz: On the FIC battery I saw yesterday there was 1200mA Feb 25 15:49:37 I think he meant the original nokia batteries Feb 25 15:50:03 yeah Feb 25 15:56:51 openmoko: 03laforge * r1119 10/trunk/oe/packages/s3c2410-utils/sjf2410-linux-native_svn.bb: close bug #211: run do_deploy earlier (Rod Whitby) Feb 25 16:02:31 openmoko: 03laforge * r1120 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc: add 'now' version for dfu-util Feb 25 16:19:03 1700m Feb 25 16:19:09 Ah ebay rating may be lies. Feb 25 16:33:45 moin Feb 25 16:55:50 re Feb 25 17:08:43 1700mah seems kinda weird when your average laptop battery has like 4500mah or so Feb 25 17:09:03 why? Feb 25 17:10:12 are there any videos from fosdem yes? Feb 25 17:10:18 s/yes/yet Feb 25 17:13:18 because a laptop battery is much bigger and heavier Feb 25 17:14:42 not really Feb 25 17:14:59 + different technique Feb 25 17:15:38 barag: why then laptop batteries are not built using this technique? ;) Feb 25 17:16:15 mom Feb 25 17:19:11 mh, how should i explain that in english Feb 25 17:22:11 I'm guessing they're different because a laptop needs more watts Feb 25 17:22:18 Meaning a faster discharge Feb 25 17:23:00 How many watts can you get out of a phone battery? Anyone knows? Feb 25 17:29:02 a lot, when it burns Feb 25 17:29:45 is there a good photo of the front of the neo1973? this wiki page has good photos of all sides but the front (with the case on). http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 Feb 25 17:30:34 don-o: I thought that was weird too Feb 25 17:31:02 But I think LaF0rge had some more pics somewhere Feb 25 17:31:18 CM: yeah, and the front page of openmoko.org looks like an artist's rendition rather than a real photo Feb 25 17:37:13 Second post on the planet shows some front: http://planet.openmoko.org/ Feb 25 17:41:28 b_lindeijer: cool thx Feb 25 17:47:36 im starting to get seriously jazzed about the phone Feb 25 17:47:54 i was seduced by the iPhone but this thing has changed my mind Feb 25 17:48:07 lol Feb 25 17:49:49 When they announced the iPhone I thought "who the hell needs that?", then I heard about the Neo1973 and I thought "hmm, much more than I need, but it's open source, way cool!", heh. Feb 25 17:51:28 I wish something like a Nokia 2600 driven by open source would exist. Simple phone, but with all the freedom. Feb 25 17:53:50 counter Feb 25 17:53:50 P0: 3 days 17:31:45 (-2.270 - 3.730 days); P1: 19.730 - 34.730; P2: 187.730 - 217.730 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (399) Feb 25 18:01:45 jk Feb 25 18:15:07 b_lindeijer: actually, most people seem to think the neo 1973 doesn't have enough features. Feb 25 18:15:33 for me it has enough features Feb 25 18:16:00 only the wlan-problem but thats not so bad Feb 25 18:23:56 i figure neo1974 will have wifi Feb 25 18:24:08 wifi? Feb 25 18:24:08 When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F Feb 25 18:24:14 LuitvD: 802.11 Feb 25 18:24:16 woglinde: yes wlan is a problem :( Feb 25 18:24:31 alroil yes I know Feb 25 18:25:03 heh, someone should put that anwer on a trigger Feb 25 18:25:05 hm is the accu the second problem? Two days? Feb 25 18:25:07 add an accelerometer and wifi and its got as good or better specs than the iPhone Feb 25 18:25:36 we can add a camera Feb 25 18:25:42 or a lamp Feb 25 18:25:45 or wth ;) Feb 25 18:26:03 is there any data on how many people really _want_ a camera on their phone? Feb 25 18:26:22 vmaster: i havent seen any data Feb 25 18:26:34 never used my cellphone camera ;X Feb 25 18:26:44 vmaster: but i find wlan ist usefuller than a camera Feb 25 18:26:48 definitely Feb 25 18:26:52 bugdus: In Japan, everybody uses the camera on their phone. Feb 25 18:26:54 yes definitly Feb 25 18:26:55 wlan ist a killer-feature Feb 25 18:27:04 yeah, im not living in japan ;) Feb 25 18:27:39 wm_eddie: what for specs have the camera there? vga is not usefull :P Feb 25 18:27:47 *cameras Feb 25 18:28:10 Many Japanese phones have like 2 megapixel cameras on them. Feb 25 18:28:18 thats not really good ;X Feb 25 18:28:49 And their screens are pretty crazy. Feb 25 18:29:13 hm 3,2 mpx would be better Feb 25 18:29:30 I'm sure there's a few that have 5 megapixels by now. Feb 25 18:29:54 and most of the new phones can receive television. Feb 25 18:29:57 yeah, but megapixels are not everything ;) Feb 25 18:30:13 My cheapo phone had TV. Feb 25 18:30:32 hm TV would be a nice feature too ;) Feb 25 18:31:18 oh and nearly every phone in Japan has that "visual voicemail" Feb 25 18:31:34 killer features Feb 25 18:31:36 ... Feb 25 18:31:39 They don't put up with the shitty state of voicemail for long. Feb 25 18:31:47 tv on a 3" screen, yeah ;p Feb 25 18:32:10 i dont understand was visual voicemail is Feb 25 18:32:21 *what Feb 25 18:32:26 i dont even use my normal mailbox Feb 25 18:32:27 ;X Feb 25 18:32:59 i havent used my mailbox since 5 years .P Feb 25 18:33:31 Instead of having to call your voicemail and listen to "you havce three new messages, first new message: Phone number blah blah blah Received on.... blah blah (2 minutes later you actually hear the message) Feb 25 18:33:55 i dont need that Feb 25 18:33:57 http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/index.html Feb 25 18:34:06 oh i can sort the messages how i would here that? Feb 25 18:34:18 I do, I want to kill the person who created that voice mail system. Feb 25 18:34:30 lol Feb 25 18:34:34 i dont use it =) Feb 25 18:34:49 so Feb 25 18:34:53 when i miss a call i can see the number and call back Feb 25 18:34:53 i go offline now Feb 25 18:34:55 Yeah, with visual voice mail you don't have listen to the 10 non important messages before being able to hear that one message you were waiting for. Feb 25 18:35:06 bye ;) Feb 25 18:35:21 The phones on that site are pretty. Feb 25 18:35:27 wm_eddie: ok thats usefull for persons they often use the mailbox Feb 25 18:35:55 Oh, and all the phones have GPS. Feb 25 18:36:04 and a very nice map application. Feb 25 18:36:16 i am not the person who need that ;) But a feature is a feature and many features are good ^^ Feb 25 18:36:35 wm_eddie, the japanse and the market for the rest of the world are very different ;D Feb 25 18:36:38 TV phones ;) Feb 25 18:36:52 i would not even want to watch tv on such a small display ;X Feb 25 18:36:53 so now i musst go bye ;) Feb 25 18:36:57 Are there some videos arround from the FOSDEM? Feb 25 18:37:07 They have biometrics on their new phones too. So you can lock them. Feb 25 18:37:18 counter Feb 25 18:37:18 P0: 3 days 16:48:17 (-2.300 - 3.700 days); P1: 19.700 - 34.700; P2: 187.700 - 217.700 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (400) Feb 25 18:37:55 last year free-electrons.com had videos from the embedded room online Feb 25 18:38:21 bugdus: I think the main problem is that American companies are buying shitty (and very cheap) Korean phones. And charging out the ass for them. Feb 25 18:38:47 wm_eddie, i dont even watch movies on the psp and that display is not that bad Feb 25 18:39:44 I wouldn't watch movies on my phone, I'd watch the news while I was on the train, or the Hanshin Tigers(baseball) game. Feb 25 18:40:09 That dual-screen phone looks really interesting... Feb 25 18:41:17 Hmm it has a really interesting interface for the numberpad. Feb 25 18:41:43 The direction and menu buttons zoom in when you tap on that area. Feb 25 18:41:49 http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/concept_model/d800ids/topics_01.html#top Feb 25 18:42:13 That'll be a good thing to implement on the neo. Feb 25 18:44:37 have there been any tests to the stability of the phone? will it survive a lot of falls? ;) Feb 25 18:45:03 There's no moving parts so it should be as rugged as any other phone. Feb 25 18:45:12 plus it has no corners so maybe even more so. Feb 25 18:45:15 okey :) Feb 25 18:45:33 no moving parts does not imply rugged Feb 25 18:45:43 plenty of phones loosen internal cabling when dropped Feb 25 18:46:18 or let the screen mounting break and make the screen shift to one side Feb 25 18:46:19 Yeah, and the Neo has that too. Feb 25 18:47:34 Not sure if it'll get loose when you drop it though. Feb 25 18:50:18 counter Feb 25 18:50:18 P0: 3 days 16:35:17 (-2.309 - 3.691 days); P1: 19.691 - 34.691; P2: 187.691 - 217.691 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (401) Feb 25 18:51:21 I hope not, cause I usually am not over-careful Feb 25 18:52:35 <_muk_> hi! Feb 25 18:52:47 <_muk_> Is it just me who can't access ftp://ftp.gnupg.org ? Feb 25 18:53:07 no Feb 25 18:53:11 or yes Feb 25 18:53:18 lags so much Feb 25 18:54:11 <_muk_> NOTE: fetch ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/libgpg-error/libgpg-error-1.3.tar.gz Feb 25 18:54:18 <_muk_> It's on its 4th attempt now Feb 25 18:54:30 <_muk_> :-( Feb 25 18:54:35 nuk use a mirror Feb 25 18:54:36 yeah, stuck here Feb 25 18:54:38 muk Feb 25 18:54:46 and download it manually Feb 25 18:55:39 <_muk_> Ok, this is my very first attempt to build so any idea where to put it, can I just re run the make openmoko-devel-image then? Feb 25 18:56:22 <_muk_> Found where to put it Feb 25 18:56:27 muk ;) Feb 25 19:03:33 has anybody openmoko near hungary? Feb 25 19:03:51 or anybody want to buy it when that relased? Feb 25 19:04:08 i'm hesitating, and i wanna se a living one:) Feb 25 19:04:12 openmoko is not the device Feb 25 19:04:19 sorry, again and again Feb 25 19:04:21 :) Feb 25 19:04:22 so neo. Feb 25 19:04:30 neo1973 is the device, openmoko is the software Feb 25 19:04:35 the neo is cool :) Feb 25 19:05:34 i think the same, but the screen size is a bit frustrates me, i can't imagine how possible the working on an as little as that display... Feb 25 19:05:44 sorry, my english grammar is not the best:) Feb 25 19:10:55 If I understand right, you can use either your finger or the stylus interchangably Feb 25 19:12:20 So if you are concerned about having big fingers, then the stylus can act as a thin sixth digit! Feb 25 19:13:01 no, i have normal fingers:) but is the "typing" on near normal speed possible on it? Feb 25 19:14:59 or the bluetooth keyboard is necessarry for it? Feb 25 19:15:48 it's not necessary... it's useful... Feb 25 19:16:07 I haven't used it yet, so I'm not sure. I doubt you would be able to type as quickly as on a full-sized keyboard, but it is probably much faster than typing on a cellphone keypad. Feb 25 19:16:56 you have reposed me:) Feb 25 19:17:42 and an other thing, when openmoko (yes, the software:)) able to try that out on vmware or anything? Feb 25 19:18:07 Check out the wiki. Feb 25 19:18:31 Here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC&oldid=4279 Feb 25 19:18:53 btw... where does the stylus go? Feb 25 19:19:02 can't see any place for it in the case.. Feb 25 19:19:39 yes, i have that, thanx, i get what i do at monday:) Feb 25 19:21:38 no stylus holder on the neo. Feb 25 19:22:00 is that a mistake or what is the deep reasoning behind this? Feb 25 19:22:08