**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 10 02:59:56 2007 Mar 10 02:59:57 s34n: I think you're thinking of Debian/NSLU2 which is not built by OE. SlugOS (in LE and BE variants) is built by OE, and so is the Unslung firmware (but not the Optware packages) Mar 10 03:11:16 good night everyone Mar 10 03:12:23 n8 alphaone Mar 10 03:12:54 good night Mar 10 04:25:07 Oh, hmmm... my phone made it back into the "dead battery trying to boot every 7 seconds" state. Mar 10 05:44:12 863 downloads of MokoMakefile Mar 10 05:44:33 (that includes repeat downloads for updates) Mar 10 05:45:50 674 unique IP addresses Mar 10 05:50:13 cool Mar 10 05:50:29 nice to know there are lots of people working on this Mar 10 05:55:46 * rwhitby sends a MokoMakefile update to openmoko-devel Mar 10 06:00:13 hmm - I left out the access.log (was only looking at access.log.*.gz) - it's actually 897 unique IP addresses when I add in those from the last week. Mar 10 08:15:33 counter Mar 10 08:15:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 3 weeks, a day 03:44:25 (22.156 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (511) Mar 10 08:52:12 hi Mar 10 08:52:16 ho Mar 10 09:31:47 good morning Mar 10 10:30:02 hi Mar 10 10:53:24 hm is in any basic kit at phase2 a 512 mb sd card on board? Mar 10 10:53:28 microsd Mar 10 10:54:01 Probably. Mar 10 10:54:14 It'll be negative several dollars in price at that time. Mar 10 10:54:22 Continuing current trends. Mar 10 10:54:33 So it'll actually be cheaper to include it. Mar 10 10:54:40 SpeedEvil: ok thanks Mar 10 10:55:07 512 is a good compromis for the datastorage i think Mar 10 10:55:26 I can't imagine them not shipping without one - though not actually negative, it'll be _very_ cheap in volumes of tens of thousands. Mar 10 10:55:41 SpeedEvil: yes you are right Mar 10 10:56:03 I would actually be surprised if it doesn't ship with 2G. Mar 10 10:56:18 2G? Mar 10 10:56:27 the card Mar 10 10:56:52 hä? you mean the ship a 2 GB card? Mar 10 10:56:55 Being able to put '2 gigabyte' on the box is a plus. Mar 10 10:56:56 *they Mar 10 10:57:06 Come september, yes. Mar 10 10:57:06 you mean that is possible? Mar 10 10:57:21 really? Mar 10 10:57:41 It looks like the controller may support SDHC, it just hasn't been tested. Mar 10 10:57:54 In which case, 2, 4G cards, and upwards should work just fine. Mar 10 10:58:15 hm where has say that they do ship 2 GB? Mar 10 10:58:17 SpeedEvil, your triple-negation is confusing... Mar 10 10:58:33 * SpeedEvil will go for quadruple in the future! Mar 10 10:58:40 It says that nowhere. Mar 10 10:58:57 I'm just saying that I would be surprised if they ship as low as 512, come september. Mar 10 10:59:09 hum Mar 10 10:59:28 Or whenever Phase 2 hits. Mar 10 11:00:35 neo makes a fancy mp3 player too Mar 10 11:00:39 Yeah. Mar 10 11:00:52 And that's _got_ to be well supported. Mar 10 11:00:57 a bit expensive, but if i can get 4GB card with it and buy it under 400 eur...... Mar 10 11:01:00 Which means lots of storage. Mar 10 11:01:14 wow the stylus i a lamp, laser, pen and ... a stylus of course ^^ Mar 10 11:01:14 4G cards are currently unavailabl. Mar 10 11:01:32 well, as you said, when phase2 hits :) Mar 10 11:02:00 guaqua: perhaps the player you are already use at your pc ;) Mar 10 11:07:02 the neo have two speaker yes? Mar 10 11:12:56 yes, 2. Mar 10 11:13:26 3D SOUND! Mar 10 11:14:41 SpeedEvil: ok thy Mar 10 11:14:42 thx Mar 10 11:30:08 yo Mar 10 11:42:05 hum i dont find the page with the text about the hardware refresh :/ Mar 10 11:44:26 I don't think there is a nice one. Mar 10 11:45:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 Mar 10 11:46:05 SpeedEvil: oh yes exactly this Mar 10 11:46:14 how you search? Mar 10 11:47:05 hm when is the refresh planed? june oder july? Mar 10 11:47:32 hm ah june Mar 10 11:54:21 I'd say 'june or july' is probably safe. Mar 10 11:56:28 anyone faced this error with mokomakefile http://pastebin.ca/388935 Mar 10 11:57:03 i get aforeaid error during make setup Mar 10 11:57:11 do make update, then make setup Mar 10 11:57:57 ok Mar 10 11:59:45 http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/fic_neo1973_2007_timeline.gif <= hm can i use this photo on my webpage? Mar 10 11:59:53 of course on my webspace Mar 10 12:00:45 so when will the neo be available for second rug developers? Mar 10 12:00:50 PBeck: you would need to ask linuxdevices, wouldn't you? Mar 10 12:01:13 rwhitby: this is a roadmap from sean Mar 10 12:01:20 out of this presentation Mar 10 12:01:24 for the fosdem Mar 10 12:01:32 empty_mind: make update setup definitely works here. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Updating_the_environment Mar 10 12:01:44 *his ... Mar 10 12:01:52 PBeck: apologies - I thought it was something linuxdevices created. Mar 10 12:02:16 really? Oh i dont know Mar 10 12:02:58 no, if it was in the presentation then it's not Mar 10 12:03:20 (I was mistaken) Mar 10 12:03:34 can i use it then? Mar 10 12:04:09 rwhitby, i an trying with make setup; make update instead of make update;make setup , so could have run into error Mar 10 12:04:30 rwhitby, is there a make clean target in mokomakefile ? Mar 10 12:04:34 always update, then setup. Mar 10 12:04:46 rwhitby, thnxs will remember Mar 10 12:05:03 make clobber will delete build/tmp and make you wait another 7 hours to get it back :-) Mar 10 12:05:41 make setup is only really required if there is a major change to the build directory structure. make update is usually enough. Mar 10 12:05:52 rwhitby, ok, build/tmp is preserved over updates ? Mar 10 12:05:57 yes Mar 10 12:07:02 rwhitby, what is te normal disc space required for building openmoko. Last successfull has eaten 11GB of disc space. Mar 10 12:07:17 yep, if you don't use rm_work that's what it will take Mar 10 12:07:17 rwhitby, so was wondering if there is a way to reduce the size Mar 10 12:07:24 ok Mar 10 12:07:28 Get a larger disk? :) Mar 10 12:07:42 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Tips Mar 10 12:08:07 * rwhitby wonders why he bothers to write stuff in a wiki page ... Mar 10 12:08:26 rwhitby, i saw that, but will it require 7 hrs of downloads Mar 10 12:08:50 who said anything about 7 hours of downloads? Mar 10 12:09:05 as long as you don't delete your sources directory, then everything is already downloaded Mar 10 12:09:22 rwhitby, ok Mar 10 12:09:24 but if you make clobber, you'll have 7 hours of building in front of you Mar 10 12:09:32 rwhitby, cool Mar 10 12:09:49 (that's why it's called "clobber", not "clean") Mar 10 12:10:33 in general, you should just "make update all" daily to stay in sync Mar 10 12:36:56 alphaone: can i use a few photos of your neo on my webpage? of course on my webspace Mar 10 12:38:35 hrw|gone: ping Mar 10 12:55:37 morning Mar 10 12:55:43 PBeck: pöng Mar 10 12:55:52 morning there Mar 10 12:58:40 PBeck: if you want to use my flickr photos you are expected to give credits and link photos to flickr Mar 10 13:15:35 <_PBeck> hum Mar 10 13:15:41 <_PBeck> freenode ... Mar 10 13:16:09 <_PBeck> hrw: have you get my last message? Mar 10 13:16:09 _PBeck: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 10 13:16:22 PBeck: 10 13:43 < PBeck> hrw|gone: ping Mar 10 13:16:27 PBeck: this one? Mar 10 13:16:46 <_PBeck> 14:09:39 < PBeck> hrw: ok thx i link zu flickr :) Mar 10 13:17:36 <_PBeck> perhaps i was already disconnected Mar 10 13:47:13 2G is not sdhc from all i know Mar 10 13:51:38 is the sd speed limited by cards or by the controller? Mar 10 13:52:09 both Mar 10 14:14:29 how can it be both Mar 10 14:15:18 card can be slow and controller fast == slow speed Mar 10 14:15:25 How fast can you ride a bicycle down a hill? Mar 10 14:15:33 card can be fast and slow controller == slow speed Mar 10 14:22:10 SpeedEvil, teminal velocity in theory perhaps Mar 10 14:22:15 SpeedEvil: very fast :p Mar 10 14:22:21 most i've managed is around 55-60km/h Mar 10 14:22:55 on death road anyway :) Mar 10 14:23:28 I was more meaning that there are two limits - how fast you can go, and how fast is safe. Mar 10 14:23:38 You are limited by the lower. Mar 10 14:24:34 its unsave when i rida a bicycke down a hill ^^ Mar 10 14:24:44 ride Mar 10 14:25:31 jumping out a plane can either be fast and safe, or dangerous and fast :) Mar 10 14:26:12 counter Mar 10 14:26:12 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 3 weeks 21:33:47 (21.898 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (512) Mar 10 14:26:28 greghunt: rofl Mar 10 14:26:35 * SpeedEvil ponders a skydiving guidance app. Mar 10 14:26:42 2-4 weeks maybe Mar 10 14:26:44 greghunt: dangerous and fast(er) ;) Mar 10 14:27:19 * greghunt forgets what it's called where you try to fall as fast as you can, with you head straight down Mar 10 14:27:29 Attempted suicide. Mar 10 14:27:34 you get like 10 seconds of freefall instead of 30 Mar 10 14:36:38 cu Mar 10 14:45:45 Wow - we have our first wikivandal! Success! Mar 10 14:46:40 =O Mar 10 14:49:29 ;O Mar 10 14:49:58 "when someone vandalizes your wiki-page. you must be doing something right" Mar 10 15:00:48 what page was it? Mar 10 15:02:58 Main Mar 10 15:03:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=1&diff=6190&oldid=6155 Mar 10 15:04:59 Hmm cheapest 512M card I found - 3M write. (USB2 reader) 9M read. Mar 10 15:06:26 if i was to vandalize a wiki Mar 10 15:06:30 id do it a bit more flashy Mar 10 15:06:33 nothing lame like that Mar 10 15:06:34 ;P Mar 10 15:06:47 SpeedEvil: rofl :D Mar 10 15:06:51 atleast some random linkage to horse porn Mar 10 15:06:52 or somthing Mar 10 15:06:59 theholyduck: yes very lame ;) Mar 10 15:07:04 right, "Hacked"....The l33tness of that idiot is killing me Mar 10 15:07:12 morning Mar 10 15:07:14 CoreDump|home: :D Mar 10 15:07:17 hi CoreDump|home ; Mar 10 15:07:18 ;) Mar 10 15:07:18 if you are gonna vandalize somthing. atleast do it propperly Mar 10 15:07:22 *properly Mar 10 15:07:31 same goes for anything Mar 10 15:07:46 if you are going to kill people. atleast kill them fast, easy and clean Mar 10 15:07:46 :P Mar 10 15:08:01 points for style Mar 10 15:08:02 too Mar 10 15:08:23 unless you _really_ hate them. Then it's usually slow, hard and messy Mar 10 15:08:40 killing for revenge is wrong Mar 10 15:08:48 when you need to kill. atleast it needs some purpose Mar 10 15:09:01 like money... or anarchy Mar 10 15:09:01 revenge is a pretty good one =) Mar 10 15:09:10 or as terrorism Mar 10 15:09:37 s/terrorism/scare-word of the year Mar 10 15:09:41 :P Mar 10 15:10:01 also when you are trying to be a terrorist. atleast do it propperly Mar 10 15:10:07 your there to terrorize. Mar 10 15:10:18 like drop rotten corpses on the subway Mar 10 15:10:46 theholyduck: one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter Mar 10 15:10:55 freedom fighting is for pansys Mar 10 15:11:02 real terrorists have no home place Mar 10 15:11:08 real men stay at home and beat their wives. Mar 10 15:11:09 they just terrorize for the sake of terror Mar 10 15:11:36 also when you are gonna car bomb somone. atleast do it in a area with high people's density Mar 10 15:11:46 else people wont notice Mar 10 15:11:52 yeah seriously, die for like, 3 people? Mar 10 15:11:55 indeed Mar 10 15:12:00 bummer Mar 10 15:12:01 :P Mar 10 15:12:02 hehe Mar 10 15:12:27 something tells me some of these terrorists needs to learn how to calculate how many people is gonna be in the area of the blast Mar 10 15:12:38 like observe for a week or 2 before bombing it Mar 10 15:12:53 so you know at what time the most amount of people is gonna be there Mar 10 15:13:14 "Terrorism for dummies" Mar 10 15:13:18 go write it, make a fortune Mar 10 15:13:22 indeed Mar 10 15:13:38 "1. If you don't have to kill yourself, don't. Seriously." Mar 10 15:13:43 :P Mar 10 15:13:53 think if you can do it again and wreak double havok Mar 10 15:14:05 double the destruction. double the fun! Mar 10 15:14:24 2. shoe bombs fail! Mar 10 15:14:46 haha Mar 10 15:14:51 i saw something pretty pointless at the airport Mar 10 15:14:56 today Mar 10 15:15:07 since new rules you cant take liquids above 100ml containers Mar 10 15:15:09 with ya Mar 10 15:15:10 when I fly I always think "I could totally bring this plane down if I wanted to" Mar 10 15:15:19 but with 100ml Mar 10 15:15:20 of lets say Mar 10 15:15:25 nitroglyserin Mar 10 15:15:34 you ought to be able to blow a pretty big hole in a airplane Mar 10 15:15:51 blowing airplanes is for gimps Mar 10 15:15:57 anybody can do that Mar 10 15:16:02 yeah Mar 10 15:16:09 im just saying if you are gonna restrict people from taking liquids with them on the airplane Mar 10 15:16:12 do it all the way Mar 10 15:16:13 blowing a scycraper into pieces, that _that_ is a challenge Mar 10 15:16:31 100ml per packageing 1l total Mar 10 15:16:33 was allowed Mar 10 15:16:49 If I'd go terrorist, I'd go nuclear. there's just something about that mushroom cloud Mar 10 15:16:52 reminds me of mario Mar 10 15:16:54 :P Mar 10 15:17:09 nuclear blast on a plane Mar 10 15:17:11 lalz Mar 10 15:17:17 instant awesomeness, long living fallout Mar 10 15:17:20 counter Mar 10 15:17:20 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 3 weeks 20:42:39 (21.863 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (513) Mar 10 15:17:31 i wonder how well they scan the luggage that goes down bellow in the airplane Mar 10 15:17:45 3 weeks? Mar 10 15:17:52 it is changed? Mar 10 15:18:03 just use fiber optics instead of metal wire Mar 10 15:18:06 they won't detect a thing Mar 10 15:18:23 :) Mar 10 15:18:27 and drop that huge digital countdown display Mar 10 15:18:28 not stupid at all Mar 10 15:18:29 it's so revealing Mar 10 15:18:46 i wonder if you could get the explosives by though Mar 10 15:18:51 i know Mar 10 15:18:55 inside the frame of the bag Mar 10 15:19:04 plastic explosives inside the mettal frame Mar 10 15:19:07 plastiq explosives are really hard to see from xrays Mar 10 15:19:14 well i dont have a xray Mar 10 15:19:15 to test wiht Mar 10 15:19:18 *with Mar 10 15:19:26 i just went the safe way Mar 10 15:19:26 :P Mar 10 15:19:35 just break your leg, and put some in your cast Mar 10 15:19:39 then ask for another xray Mar 10 15:19:40 :O Mar 10 15:19:45 lalz Mar 10 15:20:05 now on to the topic of gettin the plastic explosives Mar 10 15:20:07 get them yourself? Mar 10 15:20:09 or make them Mar 10 15:20:10 :P Mar 10 15:20:21 enroll in the army Mar 10 15:20:23 something rdx based ought to be perfect Mar 10 15:20:31 or was that rxd Mar 10 15:20:34 i always forget Mar 10 15:20:50 as i remeber rdx is what they used in the bunker busters during the gulf war Mar 10 15:20:59 steel head Mar 10 15:21:05 I'm not too well versed in explosives, would have to read up on it Mar 10 15:21:08 penetrates the concrete Mar 10 15:21:11 there are plenty of plastic explosives that can easily be smuggled Mar 10 15:21:14 then the rdx explodes Mar 10 15:21:14 the world should be happy that nerds arn't terrorists Mar 10 15:21:18 indeed Mar 10 15:21:19 :p Mar 10 15:21:34 as a populus we could bring the world to an end Mar 10 15:21:36 the explosives are just not that easy to get Mar 10 15:21:40 we're just to lazy ass to not do it Mar 10 15:21:43 i think its posible Mar 10 15:21:50 just go to palestinia or somthing Mar 10 15:21:59 tell them wer gonna put some "snakes" on a plane Mar 10 15:22:10 Haha Mar 10 15:22:11 looool Mar 10 15:22:25 I stopped watching that movie halfway through. Mar 10 15:22:27 the thing is somone would have to take the luggage with the explosives with them Mar 10 15:22:30 you can place alot of explosives in a boa constrictor Mar 10 15:22:34 I still can't see if it was meant to be serious or not. Mar 10 15:22:43 since they check if you board the plane Mar 10 15:22:47 if you checked in the baggage Mar 10 15:23:05 just ship an animal by air transport Mar 10 15:23:10 stuff it with explosives Mar 10 15:23:30 hm just keep it in the handbagage then when everybody lines up to board Mar 10 15:23:31 you won't have to kill yourself either Mar 10 15:23:38 tell some lady to hold your bag while you go poo Mar 10 15:23:43 20 secconds later Mar 10 15:23:48 it explodes killing the flight Mar 10 15:24:00 If you fail to show up, they're going to pull your luggage. Mar 10 15:24:05 yup Mar 10 15:24:07 "line 27 to Paris/France has been delayed due to it blowing up" Mar 10 15:24:46 wonder if they recruit really frisky people for frisking on purpouse Mar 10 15:25:02 i wonder if i could manage to build some sort of rpg from the rocket fuel in my toilet stuff. and stuff you can buy at a airport Mar 10 15:25:08 then aim it from somwhere hidden Mar 10 15:25:12 lol Mar 10 15:25:19 that would have been an awesome mythbusters Mar 10 15:25:27 indeed Mar 10 15:25:40 you know those thermos thingys Mar 10 15:25:51 2 layers of mettal = plenty of fragments Mar 10 15:27:15 hmm Mar 10 15:27:34 i wish i had acces to a xray machine. Mar 10 15:27:40 to test how good stuff shows up on it Mar 10 15:28:12 then give out my research for terrorists everywhere Mar 10 15:29:43 Just swallow anything you'd like to test, then go to the doctor, saying you have a stomach ache. Mar 10 15:29:44 wonder why they never tried shoebombs on planes Mar 10 15:29:52 just sit back, place your foot to the window... Mar 10 15:29:54 and blast it Mar 10 15:30:11 :P Mar 10 15:30:13 SuN: yeah, just be a bit resourceful and you'll get it Mar 10 15:30:26 with a mechanical switch Mar 10 15:30:29 hopefully Mar 10 15:30:39 stupid guy trying to light his shoe on fire Mar 10 15:30:40 :P Mar 10 15:30:42 or e.g. replace chocelate that's beeing sold on the airport Mar 10 15:30:55 with one that has 80% chocolate and the rest explosives in the bottom Mar 10 15:31:01 :P Mar 10 15:31:32 if you get into the supply chain you could bring down several at once Mar 10 15:31:46 just calculate at what time there's the biggest amount of planes in the air from that particular air port Mar 10 15:31:52 i remeber buying a 20 pack or somthing Mar 10 15:31:55 of chewing gum Mar 10 15:31:57 at tax free Mar 10 15:32:11 remove all the chewing gum and replace it with a plastic explosive Mar 10 15:32:15 put it in your backpack Mar 10 15:32:33 plastic chewing gum and plastic explosives Mar 10 15:32:36 shuldent be too difrent Mar 10 15:32:38 in looks Mar 10 15:32:38 :P Mar 10 15:32:45 or you could shove 2 kg of plastics up your ass. if you're going to kill yourself anyway Mar 10 15:32:49 :P Mar 10 15:32:52 lalz Mar 10 15:33:01 Might as well go out in style. Mar 10 15:33:05 :D Mar 10 15:33:12 if explosive decompression is true Mar 10 15:33:18 why not hide some explosives in your watch Mar 10 15:33:21 enought to blow the window Mar 10 15:34:11 a directional explosive charge under the watch glass Mar 10 15:34:13 :P Mar 10 15:34:24 there are pretty thick watches Mar 10 15:34:45 too bad if it failed though. blown off hand and no downed airplane Mar 10 15:35:18 No more masturbating and holding the remote at the same time for you! Mar 10 15:35:28 lol Mar 10 15:35:30 ;P Mar 10 15:35:41 i think you could be worrying about being in jail Mar 10 15:35:50 or bloodloss Mar 10 15:35:51 Nah, handcuffs won't fit ;) Mar 10 15:36:01 :P Mar 10 15:54:13 http://people.openezx.org/alphaone/pics/charger.jpg <- lol Mar 10 16:06:56 hi there! Mar 10 16:08:02 just a little question.. does the microfone of the Neo1973 support a hands-free speaking system? Mar 10 16:08:02 Graf_Ithaka: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 10 16:08:48 * CoreDump|home got hit by the "looping reboot of death bug" Mar 10 16:15:39 cworth: did you get a P0 phone perchance? Mar 10 16:18:32 openmoko: 03laforge * r1315 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/ (defconfig-2.6.20-fic-gta01 defconfig-2.6.20.1-fic-gta01): enabme CONFIG_DEBUG_ERRORS to give reasonable stack traces Mar 10 16:22:51 LarstiQ: Yes, I did by chance. Mar 10 16:24:02 cworth: great, I'm looking forward to the P1 :) Mar 10 16:25:46 cworth: You do know that if you have a compatible phone, you can swap batteries? Mar 10 16:26:06 (Anything with nokia BL-C5) Mar 10 16:26:20 SpeedEvil: Yes. I didn't have a compatible phone, but I did go buy myself a BL-5C. Mar 10 16:26:36 Chargers from ebay can be another option. Mar 10 16:26:37 SpeedEvil: I am still missing anything to reliably charge that though... Mar 10 16:26:55 SpeedEvil: Yeah, saw chargers there, but all with 2-week lead times or so. Mar 10 16:27:20 It looks like I can get the neo to charge its battery sometimes at least, so maybe that will be good enough for now. Mar 10 16:27:27 :) Mar 10 16:28:37 * CoreDump|home just recovered from a looping neo w/o external battery Mar 10 16:32:31 bin dann ma away Mar 10 16:32:44 oops - wrong channel Mar 10 17:20:56 * bhima wants a phone with gcc on it. Mar 10 17:22:07 well there are some linux phone Mar 10 17:22:12 s Mar 10 17:22:13 ;P Mar 10 17:22:16 but why = Mar 10 17:22:22 wouldent the compile be horribly slow Mar 10 17:22:28 Not that bad. Mar 10 17:22:35 It's a P100 or so class device. Mar 10 17:22:43 It has a reasonable amount of RAM. Mar 10 17:22:45 I'm not planning to do a BSD-style build world. Mar 10 17:22:51 * peeps wants a phone that is waterproof to 100m, and a battery/generator that runs on methanol Mar 10 17:23:00 yeh that would be nice Mar 10 17:23:00 :P Mar 10 17:23:05 peeps:P Mar 10 17:23:19 I'd expect it to compile mplayer in 3 hours or so, for example. Mar 10 17:23:29 3 hours is alot i say Mar 10 17:23:30 but sure Mar 10 17:23:36 why waste batery on compiling it on the phone Mar 10 17:23:45 when you can just use some sort of cross make? Mar 10 17:23:54 It's a nice option. Mar 10 17:24:05 For when you might be away from a 'proper' computer. Mar 10 17:24:18 * bhima agrees with speedevil. Mar 10 17:24:20 hm well if somone ported gcc to the arm architecture Mar 10 17:24:24 or whatever Mar 10 17:24:25 it uses Mar 10 17:24:30 There is no need for porting. Mar 10 17:24:34 is there really anything saying you cant make it work? Mar 10 17:24:37 You cross-compile, and install. Mar 10 17:24:45 * bhima has already used gcc on ARM platforms. Mar 10 17:24:48 * CoreDump|home just discovered brctl is is amazed Mar 10 17:24:49 It 'just works'. Mar 10 17:24:56 well then why are you bitching Mar 10 17:24:57 just wait Mar 10 17:25:03 * bhima doesn't want to wait. Mar 10 17:25:04 * peeps wonders if a solar panel on the back of the moko would be enough to charge the battery at all, or if idle power consumption would be greater Mar 10 17:25:12 Not really. Mar 10 17:25:22 The back of the phone is maybe 6*6cm being generous. Mar 10 17:25:57 that's about 4 watts of sunlight. Mar 10 17:26:04 If it's in direct strong sunlight. Mar 10 17:26:18 Cutting edge solar cells will produce around 0.8W or so. Mar 10 17:26:30 I usually hold my phone in my hand. Mar 10 17:26:43 LCD towards the sun, back panel away from it. Mar 10 17:26:45 But, though that would charge the phone in 4 hours, it would also overheat it. Mar 10 17:27:14 mount solar panels on your hat? Mar 10 17:27:19 and make a cable Mar 10 17:27:21 to the phone Mar 10 17:27:26 wheres your geek spirit? Mar 10 17:27:36 yeah this would only sort of work if you rest your phone on a table outside Mar 10 17:27:42 that ought to give you a bit more surface area Mar 10 17:27:54 also + points for having solar panels on your hat Mar 10 17:27:58 A beanie-hat, with a small windmill on it. Mar 10 17:28:00 oh, i have seen a backpack with solar panels in it, for recharging your mobile devices Mar 10 17:28:10 well hat > backpack Mar 10 17:28:15 was incredibly expensive though Mar 10 17:28:21 like a cowboy hat Mar 10 17:28:27 with alot of solar panels mounted on it Mar 10 17:28:41 theholyduck, hmm, welll i do live in texas... ;-) Mar 10 17:28:45 ;P Mar 10 17:28:48 i live in norway Mar 10 17:28:53 solar panels is just wasted Mar 10 17:29:01 in north where i live Mar 10 17:29:08 * SpeedEvil ponders what's abundant in norway. Mar 10 17:29:08 in the winter its dark 100% of the time anyway Mar 10 17:29:18 Vodka fueled fuel-cell? Mar 10 17:29:24 hm Mar 10 17:29:25 SpeedEvil, fish and fjords Mar 10 17:29:26 hydroplant in a cell :) Mar 10 17:29:35 yeh we have hydro plants Mar 10 17:29:37 and lots of them Mar 10 17:29:44 Hmm. Mar 10 17:29:50 The phone has a lanyard. Mar 10 17:29:52 i can just charge my cellphone in the socklet Mar 10 17:29:57 as in the plugg Mar 10 17:29:59 on the wall Mar 10 17:29:59 :P Mar 10 17:30:05 and il be using renewable energy Mar 10 17:30:13 as i live on a island with 3 or 4 hydro plants Mar 10 17:30:19 no big ones Mar 10 17:30:23 but theyr there Mar 10 17:30:27 If you made the lanyard able to extend out a couple of metres or so, put a small prop on the phone, you could swing it round your head really fast to spin the prop at high speeds. Mar 10 17:30:28 ohh, a kinetic charger would be cool. just shake the crap out of your phone, or swing it around on your lanyard for a few minutes Mar 10 17:30:47 Kinetic chargers don't work so well. Mar 10 17:30:49 :) Mar 10 17:30:58 how about usb charger? Mar 10 17:30:59 or somthing Mar 10 17:31:05 it might work if it wasn't mechanical Mar 10 17:31:12 whats the volt on the usb port again Mar 10 17:31:14 i forgot Mar 10 17:31:15 :P Mar 10 17:31:36 it can deliver like 1 amp's or somthing Mar 10 17:31:36 Consider that your arm weighs 2Kg or so, the weight in the charger 20g, that's 1% of the weight that you're shaking that's active. Mar 10 17:31:56 5V Mar 10 17:31:58 here's the scenario, you are stuck on a desert island with no electricity for a year. you need to use linux during that time, what do you do. :p Mar 10 17:32:03 Then if you get a quarter of the power out, you're down to .2%, not great. Mar 10 17:32:08 theholyduck - 5V, 0.5A. Mar 10 17:32:13 ;P Mar 10 17:32:15 i forgot Mar 10 17:32:24 0.5 amp's aint too bad Mar 10 17:32:29 A small solar cell - 10cm^2 or so would work. Mar 10 17:32:30 its enough to kill me Mar 10 17:32:34 theoreticaly Mar 10 17:32:41 10cm*10cm rather Mar 10 17:33:02 but then again the human body is pretty weak Mar 10 17:33:24 hmm, opendefibrilators? Mar 10 17:33:51 i was playing around at school the other day. with the isolation resistance measurer (best translation i could think of) Mar 10 17:33:51 peeps - *G* Someone already suggested OpenSatelites ;) Mar 10 17:34:16 theholyduck: megger is the UK term I think. Mar 10 17:34:22 we just call it megger too Mar 10 17:34:26 but it has a real name Mar 10 17:34:27 If it's meant to check electrical equipment. Mar 10 17:34:31 yeh Mar 10 17:34:35 mega ohm's Mar 10 17:34:38 between phases Mar 10 17:34:46 almost 0 amps Mar 10 17:34:49 but it stings Mar 10 17:34:52 on 1000 volt mode Mar 10 17:34:53 ;P Mar 10 17:35:14 its the perfect thing to scare someone silly Mar 10 17:35:18 put it on 1000volt Mar 10 17:35:23 and poke theyr hand with it Mar 10 17:35:31 instant reaction Mar 10 17:35:41 its not dangerous though :( Mar 10 17:35:45 quick poll, what IDE do you prefer for C, C++? Mar 10 17:35:50 vim? Mar 10 17:35:51 :P Mar 10 17:35:52 emacs :-P Mar 10 17:35:55 emacs or XCode. Mar 10 17:35:58 dd Mar 10 17:36:07 anyone use GUI IDEs? Mar 10 17:36:12 lalz Mar 10 17:36:13 :P Mar 10 17:36:18 thats shits for dykes? Mar 10 17:36:20 XCode. Mar 10 17:36:35 I don't even use a X-editor. Mar 10 17:37:39 Hell I use MS VS. Despite its many shortcomings it has some great features. Mar 10 17:38:09 One professor I know uses twm as his window manager. About as far away form X as you can be, really. Mar 10 17:38:12 * Elrond waits for the mob ;o) Mar 10 17:38:29 I used to use X with no WM on a PDA. Mar 10 17:38:38 bhima - twm is on *any* X11. ;) Mar 10 17:38:51 I have been using IntelliJ IDEA at work since I only do Java web dev. It's been a long time since I wrote some C Mar 10 17:38:54 Elrond: not really. it is in separate package in Debian Mar 10 17:38:59 I used twm about 12 years ago. :-) Mar 10 17:39:12 dottedmag - Yeah, except debian. ;-) Mar 10 17:39:21 * SpeedEvil is _still_ using fvwm95 Mar 10 17:39:25 with some local patches. Mar 10 17:39:37 elixir: You won't see anybody commenting. They've just put you on /ignore. :) Mar 10 17:39:44 SpeedEvil - tihi... fvwm2 here. :) Mar 10 17:40:23 I've also had the same screensaver in the background for more than a decade. Mar 10 17:40:41 xlock -inroot -mode flame -erasemode no Mar 10 17:40:43 _fade Mar 10 17:40:57 peeps: in the half-a-hour you'll know everything about editor, window managers, screensavers, mouses, political optinions of the channel members :) Mar 10 17:41:21 (does everybody here know what XCode is?) Mar 10 17:41:38 bhima: ide from apple. Mar 10 17:41:47 i just googled it, looks like it's for mac, i did not pursue furthur Mar 10 17:41:50 Is that how apple developers tell each others sexuality? Mar 10 17:41:51 SpeedEvil - *just tried that* I would distract me too easily... Mar 10 17:41:59 SpeedEvil: yes, it is. Mar 10 17:42:23 bhima - *admit* No, I don't know xcode. Mar 10 17:42:45 XCode has two fairly nifty features. It can do distributed builds very easily, and it predictively tries to compile your code. Mar 10 17:43:15 ie: if you stare at a file, and decide that it's ready to build after a bit, it'll probably ahve already compiled it. Mar 10 17:43:46 Is it "free as in speach"? Mar 10 17:43:57 Or free as in spinach. Mar 10 17:44:07 i've used eclipse for java. been pretty happy with it. Mar 10 17:44:23 It's "free as in you already paid for its development when you bought your mac" Mar 10 17:44:29 Eclipse needs a QT port. It breaks all sorts of interface specifics in Linux. Mar 10 17:44:51 Insert favorite toolkit for "QT" of course :) Mar 10 17:44:53 I really like the extensibility of Eclipse. Mar 10 17:45:12 SuN: well, it's a desktop environment by itself. just move it to the separate workspace and make fullscreen. Mar 10 17:45:13 I made an extension to it that drew pen strokes on top of documents. Mar 10 17:45:14 dunno, the learning curve for eclipse wasn't too bad Mar 10 17:45:29 dottedmag: yeah, it doesn't work like that for me :) Mar 10 17:45:34 QT isn't a toolkit , it's Qt Mar 10 17:45:40 ANd they broke copy&paste last time I used it. Mar 10 17:45:48 that is annoying... Mar 10 17:46:19 Had to rely on Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V or worse, click copy/paste, normal middle click paste didn't work. Mar 10 17:46:21 It took about 15 lines of code, without even needing to poke at the source. Mar 10 17:46:46 Eclipse has an immense number of hooks. Mar 10 17:46:47 SuN: I think it's a problem because SWT licence is incompatable wit hGPL Mar 10 17:47:31 That shouldn't prevent them from reimplementing the behaviour in SWT though. Mar 10 17:48:46 swt is using gtk or motif on linux Mar 10 17:48:58 * bhima gone. Mar 10 17:51:14 Anyone recommend a good C book, I know the basics, but want to refresh my memory and improve overall Mar 10 18:05:42 sorry guess i'm going off topic, i take my further queries to ##c Mar 10 18:29:04 can anyone verify that mcc works with 2.6.20.2? Mar 10 18:30:06 mmc of course Mar 10 18:32:07 well, the one shipped w/ my neo doesn't hehe Mar 10 18:41:56 CoreDump, did it work with 2.6.20.1? Mar 10 18:42:30 I'm still running 2.6.20-moko8 Mar 10 18:43:03 oh I misread your Q, I thought s/that/what Mar 10 18:43:23 ok Mar 10 18:51:08 a question: the mass market version of the neo1973 will cost more or less than the developers one? Mar 10 18:54:02 no answer yet Mar 10 19:23:24 counte Mar 10 19:23:26 counter Mar 10 19:23:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 3 weeks 16:36:32 (21.692 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (514) Mar 10 19:35:32 anyone know if there would be any discounts on p2 phones for those who bought p1 ones? Mar 10 19:36:29 s/p2/mass market/ Mar 10 19:36:30 thresh meant: anyone know if there would be any discounts on mass market phones for those who bought p1 ones? Mar 10 19:37:02 thresh: i think so... Mar 10 19:37:05 possibly Mar 10 19:37:11 but no hard answerst Mar 10 19:37:13 so far Mar 10 19:37:24 supposedly that will be answered when P1 starts Mar 10 19:37:27 thresh: it was mentioned more then once... Mar 10 19:37:54 LuitvD: heard anything from e28? Mar 10 19:38:02 buz: LuitvD: thanks! Mar 10 19:39:12 buz: nope Mar 10 19:39:15 buz: you? Mar 10 19:39:18 me neither Mar 10 19:39:28 meh Mar 10 19:39:31 that sucks Mar 10 19:39:35 i dont think they want to make money Mar 10 19:39:42 let's find out the CEO's mail adress Mar 10 19:40:11 well after having seen those p0 photos, i think i want VGA ;) Mar 10 19:40:20 lol, i think they do, but I think they have either the wrong spamfilter, or very bad support people reading the emails Mar 10 19:40:34 s/very bad/normal/ Mar 10 19:41:00 probably use windows one care http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/100769730/article.pl Mar 10 19:41:01 buz: yeah... I'm waiting for P1+ to be developed and released and bought for my birthday Mar 10 19:41:06 thresh: lol, true :) Mar 10 19:41:11 thresh: sad, but true Mar 10 19:41:23 i'm wondering if p1 makes it to my birthday Mar 10 19:41:29 but alas, i'm waiting for p1+ too Mar 10 19:41:30 yeah, i worked for techsupport for couple of years so i know what i'm saying :D Mar 10 19:41:36 unless there's really a huge discount Mar 10 19:42:24 buz: when's yours? Mar 10 19:42:30 11th april Mar 10 19:42:32 mine is on august 1st :) Mar 10 19:42:54 i think P1+ will make it for august... Mar 10 19:43:04 i hope so Mar 10 19:43:14 lol Mar 10 19:43:26 i dont believe june until i see it Mar 10 19:43:35 in my hand Mar 10 19:43:36 i really hope so... I'd love to have (part of) that P1+ neo for my birthday Mar 10 19:43:52 P1+ in july is fine with me :P Mar 10 19:43:58 no word on specs so far right Mar 10 19:44:05 as long as it's features rock, july is fine Mar 10 19:44:12 hell, even august would be fine Mar 10 19:44:18 yeah but if they dont, i woudl rather buy p1 Mar 10 19:45:55 if there's neither cam nor wifi i might just as well get p1 Mar 10 19:47:00 if neither cam nor wifi, I'll still get p1+ Mar 10 19:47:20 it'll have a 'hardware refresh' for sure... and I'd love some more power in that beasty Mar 10 19:47:29 I'd rather have 2d accel than wifi or cam. powered usb can take care of both cam and wifi Mar 10 19:47:38 lol Mar 10 19:47:39 camera would be just fine to organize streaming from phone Mar 10 19:47:46 2d accel is not gonna happen Mar 10 19:47:54 sure it is. in this phone, or another one Mar 10 19:48:00 but face it, the cpu is busy, damn busy Mar 10 19:48:06 not for p1+ anyway Mar 10 19:48:17 iirc sean said so himself Mar 10 19:48:19 yeah Mar 10 19:48:33 640*480 software blitter and lcd refresh, gets ugly fast Mar 10 19:49:15 i would hope there's dedicated hardware for the refreshing??? Mar 10 19:49:30 you'd wish. Mar 10 19:50:12 maybe actually go for an 18bit controller this time to actually use the screen ;) Mar 10 19:50:24 hey Mar 10 19:50:40 low end nvidia portable does 640*480, dedicated refresh, decoding of jpg and other juicy stuff. once can dream :P Mar 10 19:50:47 *one Mar 10 19:51:22 i still rather get wifi ;) Mar 10 19:51:32 the 6100 has wifi frontend Mar 10 19:51:34 or the imx31 Mar 10 19:51:43 the nvidia 6100 that is Mar 10 19:51:59 i've given up on nvidia Mar 10 19:52:08 it also has hardware mpeg4, h264 and vc1 Mar 10 19:52:09 hehe Mar 10 19:52:12 * DesktopMa wants it Mar 10 19:52:14 6 months after aiglx release they STILL havent got working drivers Mar 10 19:52:26 :P Mar 10 19:52:40 Fully integrated, high quality analog audio subsystem Mar 10 19:53:17 is it open? Mar 10 19:53:37 it has linux drivers, but dunno how open that actually is Mar 10 19:53:39 i think the answer is clear anyway Mar 10 19:54:14 I wouldn't cry if I needed binary packages for gfx. (I do that on desktop anyway) Mar 10 19:54:19 but I guess some purists might :P Mar 10 19:55:36 counter Mar 10 19:55:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 3 weeks 16:04:23 (21.670 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (515) Mar 10 19:56:03 phone with programmable pixel shaders = awesome Mar 10 19:56:04 :) Mar 10 19:56:10 DesktopMa - I'm very pissed by binary drivers. Mar 10 19:56:15 yeah me too Mar 10 19:56:21 i used to think its not that big of a deal Mar 10 19:56:24 may I ask why? Mar 10 19:56:26 but if nvidia doesnt fix their bugs it is Mar 10 19:56:27 yeah, really Mar 10 19:56:40 buz has one example. Mar 10 19:56:55 for me it's not at all ideological Mar 10 19:56:57 you're free to continue the pixel poking legacy :P Mar 10 19:57:08 actually i'm not Mar 10 19:57:16 because nvidia doesnt fix their damned driver Mar 10 19:57:19 My example: I used to have token ring at home. Guess what the cool company did? Right. they did not forward port their drivers to any kernel >= 2.4.17 Mar 10 19:57:28 s/2.4.17/2.2.17/ Mar 10 19:57:28 Elrond meant: My example: I used to have token ring at home. Guess what the cool company did? Right. they did not forward port their drivers to any kernel >= 2.2.17 Mar 10 19:57:34 aiglx works splendidly on ati and intel Mar 10 19:57:36 just not nvidia Mar 10 19:58:33 i think we'll probably see s3c244X in p1+ Mar 10 19:58:35 intel ftw Mar 10 19:59:16 For me it's partly ideological. Mar 10 19:59:26 don't really care what accelerator it gets, but imo it really needs one Mar 10 19:59:35 mom sounds like a cat Mar 10 19:59:38 freaks me out O_o Mar 10 20:00:40 oh please please give me pin headers for the CF controller of the s3c2443 ;) Mar 10 20:00:49 Other example: I was considering buying a garmin handheld gps. Their hardware is great. The firmware is mostly okay. But they piss at customers. Especialy those, that want better linux support. Mar 10 20:02:54 * buz drools over imx31 another time ;) Mar 10 20:03:05 What's imx31? Mar 10 20:04:07 some media processor Mar 10 20:04:09 i guess... Mar 10 20:04:43 from freescale Mar 10 20:05:22 http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX31&webpageId=M0ylsZrDR Mar 10 20:05:39 woah neat prices on the page Mar 10 20:05:50 arm based ofcourse :) Mar 10 20:06:11 17.67USD each for 1000+ imx31 Mar 10 20:07:56 they only supply a 108-page datasheet... Mar 10 20:08:38 thats orders of magnitude better than TI Mar 10 20:08:55 :) Mar 10 20:08:56 yeah Mar 10 20:09:17 but even my Microchip PIC18F4331 datasheet is 3-times that size Mar 10 20:09:40 (still need a printed version of that... I hate reading pdf files..) Mar 10 20:10:04 s/reading pdf files/having only one display/ Mar 10 20:10:05 LuitvD meant: (still need a printed version of that... I hate having only one display..) Mar 10 20:10:06 :P Mar 10 20:10:08 LuitvD - printers have been invented decades ago. ;o) Mar 10 20:10:35 Elrond: I don't want to print 300 pages on my home laser printer... Mar 10 20:10:45 400 actually... Mar 10 20:10:52 thats usually still cheaper than buying the book Mar 10 20:10:58 the PIC18F4331 datasheet is 396 pages long :) Mar 10 20:11:08 buz: not sure... Mar 10 20:11:19 * LuitvD goes to look for the price of a datasheet print-out Mar 10 20:15:24 http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/ref_manual/MCIMX31RM.pdf theres the BIG one Mar 10 20:15:30 ... Mar 10 20:15:52 the 108 page one? Mar 10 20:16:00 no the 14mb one Mar 10 20:16:05 XD Mar 10 20:16:06 not sure how many pages yet Mar 10 20:16:26 2364 Mar 10 20:16:28 :| Mar 10 20:16:30 damn Mar 10 20:16:33 that's nice Mar 10 20:16:37 yeah Mar 10 20:17:14 so much for no docs ;) Mar 10 20:17:32 wow Mar 10 20:17:36 lol Mar 10 20:17:55 i'd love a print-out version of that one :) + a dev board for that Mar 10 20:18:23 lol you can even download wince for the dev board Mar 10 20:18:34 even wince6 Mar 10 20:18:45 46 chapters :D Mar 10 20:20:59 hmm... that reference manual is awefully similar to pic-chip datasheets Mar 10 20:21:21 and the chip works amazingly similar to the pic chips too :) Mar 10 20:21:31 somehow i doubt that Mar 10 20:21:49 damn, scanning the datasheet and being able to understand 75% of the content is cool :D Mar 10 20:22:24 being able to read Microchip datasheets took a while... I can read those now, and I can read this one :D Mar 10 20:22:40 usually when i scan math stuff i understand 80% Mar 10 20:22:48 only when i ACTUALLY read it, trouble starts Mar 10 20:23:37 hehehe Mar 10 20:24:12 buz: my scanning is going to the pages about features I haven't seen in PIC datasheets yet, and starting to read a page or two there Mar 10 20:24:15 and going to the next Mar 10 20:24:20 :) Mar 10 20:24:44 the pages about PWM are below my knowledge level :) Mar 10 20:25:23 so are pages about Inter-Intergrated Communication, SPI, SDHostController, etc. Mar 10 20:25:55 getting those things running on a PIC chips is harder then using them on an ARM based solution Mar 10 20:26:53 writing software for my robot forced me to completely read certain chapters of the 400-page datasheet over and over again Mar 10 20:27:14 especially interrupts, PWM and ADC Mar 10 20:27:24 lucky you, the OMAP SoC reference manual is a 1322 pages pdf Mar 10 20:28:09 generally texas instruments datasheets are a bit bloated (and exact) Mar 10 20:28:12 samsung datasheets are a bit more to the point Mar 10 20:28:35 hello there Mar 10 20:30:08 anyone know about setting your $OMDIR for MokoMakeFile ? Mar 10 20:30:09 technil: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 10 20:31:08 I'm planning on using a partition on an external Disk for OM... Mar 10 21:33:43 does anyone have some time to repeat my tests (http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=245#c9) Mar 10 21:34:04 it's about the crash when doing lots of io Mar 10 21:36:55 i tried it on a similar machine (not a Neo) with the same kernel (image from buildhost.openmoko.org) and couldn't reproduce the crash Mar 10 21:37:46 My older iPaq h5555 has a space in the back that precisely fits a SIM card. But they never made a version in that form factor with a GSM modem. Mar 10 21:39:35 balrog-kun, i think it's a low-level problem with the neos Mar 10 21:40:49 I really hope you're wrong. Mar 10 21:41:52 OTOH - it could be a trivial fix - capacitor on the second RAMchip, but it could delay P1. Mar 10 21:43:12 * CoreDump|home thinks noe needs a reset button..... Mar 10 21:43:31 yea, but finding the cause is probably non-trivial at all if it's hardware Mar 10 21:43:44 there is one on the debug board Mar 10 21:43:59 balrog-kun: I have confidence in FICs hardware gurus =) Mar 10 21:44:43 perhaps it's just some misconfiguration in the bootloader Mar 10 21:45:12 then update u-boot =D Mar 10 21:45:26 but only if you have the debug board... Mar 10 21:45:35 i've got the current u-boot Mar 10 21:45:55 thinking of it a "normal" phone (as opposed to something that can run a shell and a terminal) probably never does any such amounts of io Mar 10 21:45:57 but i don't know enough about the memory setup Mar 10 21:50:41 how does one go about suggested distro changes? Change it in OE and submit bugs? Mar 10 21:50:48 Finding a reproducable bug is _much_ easier than a random bug. Mar 10 21:50:53 So that's a really good thing. Mar 10 21:51:24 (Re the hardware) Mar 10 22:04:40 openmoko: 03laforge * r1316 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Mar 10 22:04:40 openmoko: * include stdio from talloc.h Mar 10 22:04:40 openmoko: * add new generic extended-response parser Mar 10 22:04:40 openmoko: * add operator cache, using ext-resp-parser Mar 10 22:04:40 openmoko: * add proper detection of supported %CPI modes and select highest available one Mar 10 22:04:41 openmoko: * add %CTZV to vendor_ti init string Mar 10 22:07:26 openmoko: 03laforge * r1317 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/vendor_ti.c: Mar 10 22:07:26 openmoko: * add CTZV stub Mar 10 22:07:26 openmoko: * dont escape % sign in non-format strings Mar 10 22:11:27 hmmm.... samba3 code in openmoko.... hmmm Mar 10 22:16:18 CoreDump|home: good question. how do we handle things that are checked into OE, but not taken up by OM? That's what I meant by OE .dev being a temporary fork at the moment. Mar 10 22:16:43 I created a bugreport Mar 10 22:17:10 yep, but in the general case, what would you do if they marked the bugreport as wontfix? Mar 10 22:20:37 Hi koen|recife__ Mar 10 22:21:56 rwhitby: wait unti they merged with .dev and recommit =) Mar 10 22:22:33 hey Elrond Mar 10 22:22:56 heh - I expect that's one reason why a commercial company may not merge :-) Mar 10 22:23:05 koen|recife - What does recife mean? Mar 10 22:23:40 rwhitby: well, we can always fork and roll our own distro based on OM Mar 10 22:23:54 * CoreDump|home is kinds experienced with that hehe Mar 10 22:24:10 Elrond: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recife I expect. Mar 10 22:25:11 CoreDump|home: and hopefully call it something other than OpenMoko. (I'm still a bit uncomfortable with DISTRO=openmoko in oe .dev *before* the merge) Mar 10 22:25:57 rwhitby - Ahh. Mar 10 22:25:58 right Mar 10 22:26:40 (uncomfortable with it possibly being confused with the real openmoko and have different functionality, as it does right now with your latest commit, rather than it being there which is good preparation for the merge) Mar 10 22:27:07 but then you can say the same about MokoMakefile and it's 2 or 3 patches. Mar 10 22:28:18 with the exception that MokoMakefile is defined as following the official openmoko devs wishes. I'm not sure that OE .dev DISTRO=openmoko has made the same guarantee ... Mar 10 22:28:23 Commits from LaF0rge at 23.04 on a saturday.. Sure hope he won't burn out Mar 10 22:30:27 CM: likewise. but it's great to see gsmd moving finally. Mar 10 22:31:14 pH5: For sure, but I'm just a tiny bit worried since a lot on this whole project depends on him and I'm sure he feels the pressure Mar 10 22:31:31 CM - Yeah... Mar 10 22:31:58 As long as he's not feeling too stressed I'm sure it's ok. :) Mar 10 22:32:30 Yeah. Mar 10 22:32:42 talloc is quite bloated for an embedded project... Mar 10 22:32:45 LaF0rge: Don't burn out please! If you need a break, for a day or two, take it. :) Mar 10 22:41:38 Or even three! Mar 10 22:41:52 * SpeedEvil considers segueing into the 'holy hand grenade' sketch. Mar 10 22:42:00 Hehe Mar 10 22:42:12 *giggle* Mar 10 22:42:21 Don't count till five? ;o) Mar 10 22:42:27 927 MokoMakefile unique IP downloads. wonder when it will hit the 1K mark. Mar 10 22:42:42 * SpeedEvil is contemplating downloading sometime soon. Mar 10 22:42:55 I just need to reinstall my OS, and arrange my hard disks, then ... Mar 10 22:42:59 rwhitby: I just updated, starting a new build now Mar 10 22:42:59 rwhitby - What will the 1k-downloader get? ;o) Mar 10 22:43:29 Elrond: as many copies of MokoMakefile as they want, to share with their friends. Mar 10 22:43:59 and maybe a mention on the mailing list :-) but I will only be able to give the IP address, not a name. Mar 10 22:44:01 rwhitby: It has always failed on db3-native so far, but that's an amd64 issue.. Hopefully fixed when they sync OM and OE.. Mar 10 22:44:23 CM: MokoMakefile builds from latest OE (overlaid with latest OM) right now. Mar 10 22:44:47 Aha, nice.. It's parsing the bitbake files now and I'll let it run over night Mar 10 22:46:46 rwhitby - Hmm. non-1k downloaders don't get enough copies for friends? ;o) Mar 10 22:46:55 what about the builds ?? Mar 10 22:47:46 openmoko: 03laforge * r1318 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * add 2.6.20.2 kernel Mar 10 22:47:53 rob_w|tablet: which builds? Mar 10 22:48:05 openmoko: 03laforge * r1319 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: add dbench, bonnie++ and memtester to debug image Mar 10 22:48:06 where does oenmoko keep snapshot builds Mar 10 22:48:14 Estimated build time for the whole tree on a Duron 1300, with a slow disk? Mar 10 22:48:15 buildhost and buildhost-old Mar 10 22:49:28 SpeedEvil: Maybe we should add some buildtime examples on the wiki for different machines? Mar 10 22:49:44 SpeedEvil: dunno - it's overnight for a full rebuild of everything (including toolchain) here on a Dell Inspiron 9400 running Debian Etch in vmware. Mar 10 22:50:54 Not unreasonable. Mar 10 22:51:03 ah thanks Mar 10 22:51:31 On the RAM problem. Mar 10 22:51:38 What about booting with RAM=64M Mar 10 22:51:49 or whatever the flag is, then trying to crash it Mar 10 22:53:07 rwhitby, its empty to the public Mar 10 22:53:16 mem=64M Mar 10 22:53:46 rob_w|tablet: http://buildhost-old.openmoko.org/snapshots/gta01-20070301/tmp/deploy/images for instance Mar 10 22:54:04 or http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ for latest Mar 10 22:54:44 ah , great Mar 10 22:55:39 rwhitby - Can you put that somewhere on the wiki? Mar 10 23:02:14 Elrond: added to main page under Project Resources Mar 10 23:03:33 * CM restarts a clean MokoMakefile build and goes to bed Mar 10 23:06:52 rwhitby - Thanks. :-) Mar 10 23:07:23 Does ipkg support package signatures? Mar 10 23:07:41 counter Mar 10 23:07:41 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 3 weeks 12:52:18 (21.536 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (516) Mar 10 23:19:39 hi. we are two developers in oulu, finland and just noticed openmoko. Mar 10 23:19:45 we are very interested in the project Mar 10 23:19:55 You are not alone in that ;) Mar 10 23:20:08 this is something like sweet dream for me Mar 10 23:20:20 I worked for similiar device for MyOrigo few years ago Mar 10 23:20:26 A tip, I think there is a #openmoko-fi channel Mar 10 23:20:49 ah Mar 10 23:20:53 http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=547 Mar 10 23:20:53 Moo^^^: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 10 23:20:57 looks similar :) Mar 10 23:21:29 Yes, it's been discussed here before Mar 10 23:22:45 * rwhitby adds OM bitbake patch to MokoMakefile ... Mar 10 23:23:05 Moo^^^: Hyvää yötä ;) Mar 10 23:23:08 * CM sleeps Mar 10 23:23:30 * Moo^^^ pats CM :) Mar 10 23:23:51 (I had a gf in Tampere a few years ago) Mar 10 23:25:38 LaF0rge: is this expected? Mar 10 23:25:41 ERROR: compute_revisions() not supported by this fetcher: 'bb.fetch.local.Local'> Mar 10 23:25:41 ERROR: compute_revisions() not supported by this fetcher: Mar 10 23:25:58 (with bitbake patch, applied to bitbake 1.6 branch head) Mar 10 23:29:23 zecke: have you tried that bitbake patch? (http://people.openmoko.org/henryk/bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch) Did you get the same errors? Mar 10 23:32:20 rwhitby: me and richard read that patch Mar 10 23:32:45 rwhitby: these errors are expected. wget and local filesystem normally don't offer revision info Mar 10 23:32:59 ERROR is a bit harsh for them then, isn't it? Mar 10 23:33:34 rwhitby: yes, a bit :) Mar 10 23:33:38 (maybe I'll add a dummy compute_revisions to the other fetchers in a MokoMakefile patch to get rid of it) Mar 10 23:33:51 rwhitby: and this comes from the base.bbclass of OpenMoko's oe overlay Mar 10 23:34:17 rwhitby: or silent base.bbclass :) Mar 10 23:34:55 I just changed it to a bb.warn Mar 10 23:36:56 I'm adding support for this to MokoMakefile now, and don't want to scare the users. Mar 10 23:41:16 openmoko: 03laforge * r1320 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: Mar 10 23:41:16 openmoko: * Make sure ADDR26/GPA11 is configured as address pin, not as GPIO Mar 10 23:41:16 openmoko: This should fix all kinds of system instability problems, since it meant as Mar 10 23:41:16 openmoko: soon as memory > 64MB is used, memory corruption will occur. Mar 10 23:42:13 Is "Sjf2410-linux" still the way of doing things? I heard somewhere, that it's "oudated"? Mar 10 23:42:51 :) Not hardware - sounds like Mar 10 23:42:51 oh!, that's the fix, probably Mar 10 23:43:07 Yes, sounds like an important fix. Mar 10 23:43:32 openmoko: 03laforge * r1321 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-mokoversion.patch: increase to moko6 to have a clear indication of the 64MB memory fix Mar 11 00:16:18 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r50 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/bitbake-HEAD/ (. bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch series silence-bogus-errors.patch): Added bitbake patch for retrieving latest revision Mar 11 02:52:08 Hmm - this bitbake patch *really* slows down the parsing of the bitbake files. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 11 02:59:56 2007