**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 11 02:59:56 2007 Mar 11 04:01:18 any way to stop the device auto-powering off within u-boot? Mar 11 04:07:20 can anyone confirm I haven't just borked my device? http://pastebin.ca/390104 Mar 11 04:13:40 it's fine. even if you had, you have jtag. Mar 11 04:18:23 looks like I have done something wrong :( Mar 11 04:18:57 splash changed, boot menu has only two items in it... and boot gives errors and then powers down Mar 11 04:19:23 well, I would have JTAG if I had the appropriate cable Mar 11 04:22:15 hmm, aux button is sticking as well Mar 11 04:23:22 dissasemble, ... Mar 11 04:23:48 yep, have done... it's the button itself, not the plastic bit in front of it Mar 11 04:24:22 easiest thing probably is just to leave the plastic bit out so I can pull it out without opening it again Mar 11 04:33:45 or, just leave the front cover off completely Mar 11 04:37:34 Can you receive Bluetooth OBEX messages when the neo1973 is idle? Mar 11 04:39:22 so, erm... assuming this latest bootloader I have flashed on (u-boot-gta01v4-r3_0_0_1321.bin) is working, what happened to the USB console menu item? Mar 11 04:39:39 for those that have a neo, is there a keyguard function for it yet? Mar 11 04:40:24 i'm curious how it is implented with a touchpad Mar 11 04:42:19 ~lart silence Mar 11 04:42:20 * apt plops silence into a giant vat of herring Mar 11 04:48:30 press a pin to enable touchpad, or touch specific areas in sequence. Mar 11 04:48:41 Or press 'aux' button maybe Mar 11 04:55:30 what's the GUI called again? Mar 11 04:58:49 what gui, matchbox? Mar 11 04:59:59 GUI could apply to lots of things Mar 11 05:07:48 matchbox, thanks Mar 11 07:15:13 counter Mar 11 07:15:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 3 weeks 04:44:46 (21.198 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (517) Mar 11 07:26:38 mornin Mar 11 07:26:40 dang Mar 11 07:38:21 * rwhitby finally worked out how to get into u-boot without the debug board Mar 11 07:39:58 rwhitby - mokomakefile rocks Mar 11 07:40:07 I had it working manually before Mar 11 07:40:21 but I switched to mokomakefile so my install would be more common with other devs. Mar 11 07:40:26 standardization is goodness. Mar 11 07:42:48 noidd: thx Mar 11 07:43:20 only one missing dep on gento Mar 11 07:43:23 which was quilt Mar 11 07:43:32 but emerge -v quilt and I was done Mar 11 07:43:38 let me know if there is other stuff that you think it should build. I'm working on an openmoko-devel-tools target right now to build the host-based tools required to debug the neo Mar 11 07:43:56 noidd: was that listed on the OE and your distro setup wiki page? Mar 11 07:44:15 Not that I saw Mar 11 07:44:38 it just says "emerge bitbake" Mar 11 07:44:42 I'll edit Mar 11 07:44:55 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro lists quilt for gentoo. Mar 11 07:45:20 err, not on the page I'm viewing Mar 11 07:45:31 oh, bitbake will not bring in any of the other tools. Mar 11 07:45:36 Or put it this way, it says "Old INstructions are...: Mar 11 07:45:46 yeah, that's bogus. Mar 11 07:45:59 When I read it I thought the only thing I needed to emerge was bit bake Mar 11 07:46:01 just add bitbake to the top of that list, and it's *not* old instructions. Mar 11 07:46:15 * noidd nods, will do. Mar 11 07:46:24 thx Mar 11 07:47:16 Done. Mar 11 08:01:28 * rwhitby sets bootdelay to -1 in u-boot so the phone always comes up in the bootloader, and can be operated on (and booted into Linux) remotely Mar 11 08:11:57 anyone know how to get from uboot Runtime Mode to uboot DFU Mode? Mar 11 08:17:21 ah, dfu-util does it itself. Mar 11 08:46:30 hoi :D Mar 11 08:46:37 any fancy screenshots of openmoko so far? Mar 11 08:47:30 screenshots? Mar 11 09:02:15 rwhitby: The makefile still fails at db3-native because of this old bug: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 Mar 11 09:02:47 Can anyone give me a hint how I use that patch attatched in comment 1? Mar 11 09:20:27 good morning Mar 11 09:24:54 hi Mar 11 09:28:31 CM: apply that patch in the bug report to the file in your openembedded directory Mar 11 09:29:02 the MokoMakefile will retain your local change to that file. Mar 11 09:29:14 rwhitby: Ok, thanks. I'll look around in the OE wiki :) Mar 11 09:29:16 then lobby koen to include it in OE proper. Mar 11 09:29:26 I think it is in OE.. Mar 11 09:29:43 edit /home/moko/openembedded/site/x86_64-linux Mar 11 09:29:49 I've asked about it a month ago or so, and then someone (might have been koen) sait that "it's in dev already" Mar 11 09:29:53 Ok, thanks a lot Mar 11 09:30:16 nope, it's not in .dev Mar 11 09:30:23 ok Mar 11 09:33:19 I can't put it in myself, cause it's different to what's already there, and is different to what's in the normal ix86-common file, so it may be an indicator of a deeper problem in 64bit toolchain support. Mar 11 09:33:55 Well, as the patch comment says it would never work anyway since there's two } on that line Mar 11 09:34:01 (i.e. you have to ask the question "why should it be changed in the 64-bit case only, when the change has nothing to do with 32bit vs 64bit) Mar 11 09:34:34 maybe try it with a single } first Mar 11 09:34:50 (if *that* works, I can definitely check that in) Mar 11 09:35:17 It failed with the change from the patch.. Mar 11 09:36:33 Hmm.. forgot to remove the tmp dir I guess.. Mar 11 09:39:56 * CM cleans the whole build/tmp and restarts Mar 11 09:44:32 CM: that's a drastic restart action Mar 11 09:44:51 you could have just done "bitbake -c clean db3-native" Mar 11 09:45:10 Heh, guess that was the knowledge I was missing ;-) Mar 11 09:45:34 Hmm.. Maybe that could be added to the makefile? Some kind of clean-package thing? Mar 11 09:46:08 Or at least to set the BBPATH env in the shell or so.. Hmm Mar 11 09:48:02 no, MokoMakefile will not change the parent shell, cause that would cause grief with people developing other OE distros alongside openmoko, who might want BBPATH set a different way. Mar 11 09:48:58 I could do a clean-package-* pattern rule which runs bitbake -c clean in the build dir with the environment set up properly. Mar 11 09:57:55 counter Mar 11 09:57:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 3 weeks 02:02:04 (21.085 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (518) Mar 11 10:00:35 count faster, damnit. Mar 11 10:00:35 :) Mar 11 10:55:26 warning: dfu-util is broken on big-endian host architectures. Mar 11 10:55:45 (endian issues, already marked in the code, so the developers are fully aware of it) Mar 11 10:55:58 * rwhitby switches from SlugOS/BE to SlugOS/LE on the NSLU2 ... Mar 11 11:30:56 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r51 10mokomakefile/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added bitbake patch that retrieves remote versions and only builds if they have changed Mar 11 11:33:50 run "make update-makefile ; make update ; make setup" if you want to use that new mokomakefile functionality Mar 11 12:21:36 counter Mar 11 12:21:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 2 weeks, 6 days 23:38:23 (20.985 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (519) Mar 11 12:46:33 in 2 weeks counter starts running in 1/2 speed (or P1 is available) Mar 11 12:47:29 counter should run faster now. :) Mar 11 12:49:03 aloril2: why? Any particular reason? Mar 11 13:12:38 morning Mar 11 13:13:38 Morning. Mar 11 13:13:46 morning :D Mar 11 13:16:11 hi Mac Mar 11 13:16:21 TRIsoft: will you sell phase1? Mar 11 13:16:50 hi hrw, let's say, we're heavily working on this issue ;-) Mar 11 13:16:59 ok Mar 11 13:17:42 hrw: And you're having fun with your Phase ß Neo ? Is it still alive ? :D Mar 11 13:17:53 *Phase 0 Mar 11 13:18:16 anyone know how to fix the rebooting every seven seconds due to a low battery charge problem? Mar 11 13:18:42 rwhitby: iirc use the fast charge uboot command Mar 11 13:18:52 'neo1973 charge fast' or something like that Mar 11 13:19:00 how do you do that when it reboots faster than you can type that command? Mar 11 13:19:02 TRIsoft: still works as I lack time to brick it Mar 11 13:19:14 hrw: lol Mar 11 13:19:24 (i have it set up so that it stops at the bootloader and doesn't automatically boot Linux) Mar 11 13:20:03 rwhitby: Werner described a method in the bugreport. Mar 11 13:20:05 rwhitby: paste the command via (usb-)serial? Mar 11 13:20:13 rwhitby: IIRC press power button once. Mar 11 13:20:45 rwhitby: bug 212 Mar 11 13:25:14 thx, that seems to work. Mar 11 13:28:13 np Mar 11 13:29:27 rwhitby: I left it powered off on USB for a couple of hours to recharge and it fixed itself. Mar 11 13:29:50 I thought I'd bricked it when it gave me the splash screen, then black, then spash, then blank etc Mar 11 13:30:29 if you get a splash screen it isn't bricked Mar 11 13:30:44 splash screen == working uboot != brick Mar 11 13:31:14 and current neo owners are equipped with debug boards iirc Mar 11 13:31:15 I know now, originally I just had that "Oh, I broke it within 2 hours of recieving it" sinking feeling Mar 11 13:31:20 I wonder if I can use the splashcmd variable to turn on autofast charging automatically on every u-boot boot ... Mar 11 13:31:36 hrw: not all got debug boards. dwery (kernel rtc maintainer) for instance didn't. Mar 11 13:31:51 rwhitby: be carefull with connecting the neo to non 500mA ports Mar 11 13:31:58 (e.g. 3 year old dell hardware) Mar 11 13:32:07 you *could* brick it and still have the uboot splash Mar 11 13:32:10 koen|recife: nslu2 can give 2A out the port :-) Mar 11 13:32:37 rwhitby: :) Mar 11 13:32:42 (and you can power the nslu2 the other way through the port :-) Mar 11 13:33:04 we blew up numerous lab computers by drawing 500mA and unplugging the usb cable Mar 11 13:33:15 Wow Mar 11 13:34:07 iirc it was some bug in an intel chipset dell used Mar 11 13:35:34 * rwhitby starts testing dfu-util again, this time on a little-endian NSLU2 build (cause it don't work big-endian) Mar 11 13:37:14 hi Mar 11 13:38:51 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r52 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (remove-obsolete-image-recipe.patch series): Mar 11 13:38:51 openmoko: Added a patch which fixes the 'ERROR: Could not include required file Mar 11 13:38:51 openmoko: openmoko-image.bb while parsing Mar 11 13:38:51 openmoko: /home/moko/oe/packages/images/openmoko-devel-image.bb' problem by deprecating Mar 11 13:38:51 openmoko: the openmoko-devel-image.bb in openmoko svn in favour of the one in Mar 11 13:38:55 openmoko: openembedded. Mar 11 13:39:49 an interesting aspect of bbcollections - you can require a file from the directory which you have overlaid. Mar 11 13:39:55 s/can/can't/ Mar 11 13:39:56 rwhitby meant: an interesting aspect of bbcollections - you can't require a file from the directory which you have overlaid. Mar 11 13:57:46 I was just wondering if openmoko UI apps are based on some prior work or do they exist at all? Mar 11 13:58:00 * noidd tickles hardware bug 212 Mar 11 13:58:06 damn Mar 11 13:58:07 there are screenshots but are they mock ups? Mar 11 13:58:36 Moo: asome are real Mar 11 13:58:40 some are mockups Mar 11 13:58:58 and yes, some of the applications are based on prior work. Mar 11 13:59:15 we'd be idiots to write everything from scratch. This is an opensource project after all :-) Mar 11 13:59:24 * Moo^^^ nods Mar 11 13:59:33 I mean touch screen apps like dialer Mar 11 13:59:48 did you write it yourself or was there some other project? Mar 11 13:59:58 Well, I didn't write it :-) Mar 11 14:00:24 it is my understanding that the dialer was/is being written by us (meaning the openmoko project) Mar 11 14:00:45 ok. that was my guess. I just wanted to make sure. Mar 11 14:00:59 who is your UI cannon or do you have one? Mar 11 14:01:07 I'm prepared to be (and often am) wrong. Mar 11 14:01:39 your hints shed light to my darkness of unawary :) Mar 11 14:05:20 Moo^^^: http://stuff.pimp-your-penguin.org/screenshots/Neo1973/20070310/ <- real dialer screenshots Mar 11 14:09:49 cu Mar 11 14:10:07 cu hrw Mar 11 14:10:14 hrw: l8r Mar 11 14:12:08 sounds like there will be at least one german distributor nor the neo =) Mar 11 14:12:24 nice Mar 11 14:12:24 I would bet $5 on it :D Mar 11 14:12:25 rly? Mar 11 14:12:29 anything about a price yet? Mar 11 14:13:06 Sorry, no hard facts actually. Too many things to work on. Mar 11 14:13:42 somehow, the fonts on the buttons are much too small? Mar 11 14:14:05 whereas the one for the phonenumber seems kinda big Mar 11 14:14:11 (doesnt really fit long numbers) Mar 11 14:14:55 buz: the dialer is _far_ from finished and actually unusable w/ the moko theme :\ Mar 11 14:15:03 doooh Mar 11 14:16:16 is there a current qemu image available somewhere? Mar 11 14:17:45 oh i should RTFF Mar 11 14:18:13 Is this talk of P2 distributors? Mar 11 14:18:57 ?? Mar 11 14:21:14 ok, the AUX button on p0 is the one on the top left of tyhe phone right? Mar 11 14:21:22 at about 10/11 o'clock Mar 11 14:22:24 noidd: right Mar 11 14:22:54 the one which looks like an IRDA cover on the black phone Mar 11 14:23:01 I've tried 3/4 times to get uboot to kick in Mar 11 14:23:08 I'm doing something wrongh obviously Mar 11 14:24:25 i'm missing something fundimental I think Mar 11 14:25:34 noidd: well, the phone must be _off_. Then press and hold AUX, then press and hold PWR until the phone turns on Mar 11 14:26:05 after a shutdown -h now Mar 11 14:26:09 right Mar 11 14:26:12 and pulling the USB and battery Mar 11 14:26:19 I can't be any more powered off than that I guess Mar 11 14:26:23 hehe Mar 11 14:26:24 gonna try again Mar 11 14:27:01 sadly due to the short boot-delay, it is impossibly to enter u-boot before the kernel is loaded Mar 11 14:28:26 sorry, are you saying that uboot appears after the kernel has booted? Mar 11 14:28:53 no, the OM splashscreen == u-boot Mar 11 14:29:07 thats what I thought Mar 11 14:29:16 u-boot then waits $BOOTDELAY and then it starts the kernel Mar 11 14:29:31 CoreDump|home - Hold the AUX button while powerin gon --> boot menu. Mar 11 14:29:37 if $BOOTDELAY is long enough you can enter the u-boot console and interupt the boot =) Mar 11 14:29:40 did everyone get his P0 phone? Mar 11 14:29:54 loufoque - Mostly everyone, I think. Mar 11 14:29:59 Elrond: I know, noidd is having problems w/ it Mar 11 14:30:04 See, I'm doing that and its imgoring me Mar 11 14:30:32 So, let me just double check the everything i'm doing. Mar 11 14:30:36 1) shutdown -h now Mar 11 14:30:40 noidd - And $BOOTDELAY is too short? Mar 11 14:30:51 The splashscreen is there for 7-10 seconds Mar 11 14:31:04 CoreDump|home: it's ugly Mar 11 14:31:17 should I be holding the AUX button *WHILE* I'm pressing the power on? Mar 11 14:31:28 noidd: of course Mar 11 14:31:30 cos thats what i'm doing Mar 11 14:31:43 Ok, so I pull ethernet and battery Mar 11 14:31:51 sorry, usb and battery :-}) Mar 11 14:31:54 BTW: Anyone with another distro than debian at hand and wireshark 0.99.[45] on it? I need to know, that it's a debian packaging issue. :) Mar 11 14:31:59 so, I plug back in usb, then battery Mar 11 14:32:05 hold AUX down Mar 11 14:32:05 Elrond: yes, it defaults to one second....I set it to 5 which allows me to enter u-boot and abort the boot Mar 11 14:32:11 and hold power down for 4-5 seconds Mar 11 14:32:21 why is the 6 bolder than the other numbers? Mar 11 14:32:27 is it because it is the number of the beast? Mar 11 14:32:38 Elrond: Er... I got Wireshark 0.99.4 on Gentoo here Mar 11 14:32:43 shouldn't that do it? Mar 11 14:32:50 loufoque: heh, because the theme sucks / is not finished yet Mar 11 14:33:04 noidd: yes it should Mar 11 14:33:31 noidd: if it doesn't turn on, remove battery + charger and wait a bit Mar 11 14:33:41 Lumpio- - Cool. Can you do Menu -> Edit -> Preferences Look for Protocols/KRB5. Does it have an entry for some keytab file? Mar 11 14:33:46 it turns on, it jsut boots normally Mar 11 14:34:05 noidd: then your AUX button is not really pressed me thinks Mar 11 14:34:16 noidd - Does the aux button work inside linux? Mar 11 14:34:19 Elrond: Nope, that page only has one checkbox on it Mar 11 14:34:29 What is its bahaviour meant to be in linux? Mar 11 14:34:31 About reassembling messages that span multiple TCP packets Mar 11 14:34:57 Lumpio- - Okay, thanks. So this is some wireshark upstream issue. ethereal used to be able to decrypt kerberos... Mar 11 14:35:08 got it Mar 11 14:35:25 looks like I needed to leave the battery / USB out a lot longer than I did before Mar 11 14:35:27 thanks guys Mar 11 14:35:31 for the sanity check Mar 11 14:35:46 noidd - Can you document this in the wiki, please? Mar 11 14:36:05 Yup Mar 11 14:37:39 somehow editing X config to rotate the X server doesnt help? Mar 11 14:37:45 done Mar 11 14:38:37 noidd: type "setenv bootdelay 5" Mar 11 14:38:41 then "saveenv" Mar 11 14:38:57 so you can about a normal boot via ttyACM0 Mar 11 14:39:04 s/about/abort Mar 11 14:39:39 Will do. I'm currently hunting down the kernel module cdc_acm Mar 11 14:39:43 its not in my kernel sources Mar 11 14:46:53 Ok, i'm an idiot Mar 11 14:47:15 cdc_acm != cdc-acm Mar 11 14:48:27 buz: rotation is done via environment variables Mar 11 14:50:33 hello, who have the file fstests_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.misc.trunk__20070311.tar.gz? i can't find and checkout it. Mar 11 14:53:05 * CoreDump|home only has ___20061122.tar.gz Mar 11 14:54:58 why it is needed by MokoMakefile? Mar 11 14:56:47 Readon: do you have any other version of that file? Mar 11 14:57:23 i find it in downloads.openmoko.org Mar 11 14:57:37 it is 20060814 Mar 11 15:32:24 CoreDump|home: like what env variable? Mar 11 15:32:40 buz: check /etc/X11/Xserver Mar 11 15:32:46 ok Mar 11 15:33:26 since kdrive does not have a config file, all settings are either from the env or --switches to kdrive Mar 11 15:38:44 counter Mar 11 15:38:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 2 weeks, 6 days 20:21:14 (20.848 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (520) Mar 11 15:50:53 SpeedEvil: in 2 weeks counter runs at 1/2 speed because it starts to reduce uncertainty =(upper_limit-lower_limit)/2 Mar 11 15:51:22 Hah, fuzzy counter. Mar 11 15:52:42 Does it stop at the upper limit? Mar 11 16:27:26 SpeedEvil: yes, counter will claim P1 has been released at upper limit Mar 11 16:29:10 of course any of this doesn't take into account manual adjustments as new info becomes available Mar 11 16:30:47 Hmm, how does the P1 plan look? Does "Manually using GSM" work for someone? Mar 11 16:38:41 hm. it doesn't work for me. after echoing 1 into gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on, ttySAC0 is still dead. Mar 11 16:39:33 pH5 - Some friend of stefan_schmidt got at least that to work. Mar 11 16:41:03 question: where can I see the status of the basic apps that are being developed at the moment? Mar 11 16:42:59 pH5: Disabled in /etc/inittab? dmeg -n1? Following the GSM manually page in the wiki works here. Mar 11 16:44:13 stefan_schmidt - "works here" includes "Doing a real phone call as in talking to a human like being on the other end"? Mar 11 16:44:41 Elrond: Yes, with the right alse config files even this works. :) Mar 11 16:45:37 stefan_schmidt - So there is some hope of P1 phones actually being useable to phone someone? Mar 11 16:45:38 pH5: You get a connected from ttySAC0 when doing root@fic-gta01:~$ cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 ? Mar 11 16:47:30 stefan_schmidt: yes, but then it's dead: http://en.pastebin.ca/390679 Mar 11 16:50:44 Elrond: I hope so. :) It's more a question how the whole chain of GSM -> gsmd -> libgsmd -> dialer is working. LaF0rge just started again work on gsmd and when mickey|austria is back we hopefully will have some tests with the dialer. Mar 11 16:51:25 pH5: OK, that could be a real problem. Let me explain. Mar 11 16:52:38 pH5: My phone has exactly the same problem. (I use another one atm) No connection to GSM seems to work. Mar 11 16:53:20 pH5: I'll send the broken one to LaF0rge next week and he takes a look what can be broken here. Mar 11 16:53:42 pH5: You're the only other one I heard about with the same problem. Mar 11 16:54:08 pH5: It would be very helpfull if you could take the time and verify this stuff once again. Mar 11 16:54:35 pH5: I like to be sure we don't show up with a user-bug here. :) Mar 11 16:55:03 The 64MB thing shouldn't impact on this, right? Mar 11 16:55:35 Elrond: No, it should not. 2 of our 3 phones here work fine. Mar 11 16:56:09 I still hope this is some kind of software bug and not a QA hardware problem. Future will show. Mar 11 16:56:09 noone wants to answer my question? Or am I just to stupid? Mar 11 16:56:20 edistar: moment Mar 11 16:56:36 ok, thanks Mar 11 16:56:55 mickeyl! Mar 11 16:57:00 cheers guys Mar 11 16:57:03 wb mickeyl Mar 11 16:57:04 stefan_schmidt - Talking about the devil. ;o)) Mar 11 16:57:15 ;) Mar 11 16:57:15 Hey, welcome back Mickey Mar 11 16:57:19 cheers TRIsoft Mar 11 16:57:21 mickeyl: Hope you had some relaxed holiday. Mar 11 16:57:21 * CM cheers Mar 11 16:57:27 hey CM Mar 11 16:57:31 mickeyl - Was you holiday good? Mar 11 16:57:33 hey mickeyl Mar 11 16:57:34 stefan_schmidt: absolutely. Mar 11 16:57:45 although i worked 8h a day it was great Mar 11 16:57:53 stefan_schmidt: same as before: http://en.pastebin.ca/390694. I'll reboot and verify, but I think it is dead all right. Mar 11 16:57:55 <-- needs to go to austria sometime again. :) Mar 11 16:57:56 edistar: Problem is that all apps are work-in-progress the whole time Mar 11 16:58:10 even my cold is gone Mar 11 16:58:16 * CM liked Bad Gastein and Salzburg in the spring Mar 11 16:58:19 looking forward to start working on OM next week again Mar 11 16:58:22 mickeyl: wow, that sounds nice. Mar 11 16:58:41 my wife and the guys had a hard time with the snow though Mar 11 16:58:44 CM - I was in Hall and Vienna. :-) Mar 11 16:58:44 it was hardly enough Mar 11 16:58:51 heh Mar 11 16:59:07 are they working a bit then yet? Mar 11 16:59:07 * stefan_schmidt is sad that he was not snowboarding the whole winter. Mar 11 16:59:10 and finally on the day we left (yesterday) it started snowing like hell Mar 11 16:59:16 s/hell/winter/ Mar 11 16:59:17 mickeyl meant: and finally on the day we left (yesterday) it started snowing like winter Mar 11 16:59:19 edistar: Some yes, some no. Mar 11 16:59:19 :) Mar 11 16:59:36 Elrond: Was in Wien too, nice town and I really liked the Natural history museum :) Mar 11 16:59:37 where can I see some status? on a blog or so? Mar 11 16:59:37 * mickeyl was in Salzburg on Thursday Mar 11 17:00:22 CM - I was in Wien three times now. Didn't get to the museums yet. ;o) Mar 11 17:01:02 mickeyl: Hi Mar 11 17:01:21 cheers alphaone. got the package oK? Mar 11 17:01:33 mickeyl: Yeah, thanks! Mar 11 17:01:36 edistar: What kind of status you mean? This functions is working and this one not? Mar 11 17:01:49 yes Mar 11 17:01:53 mickeyl: There was one Free&Easy SIM card in it Mar 11 17:02:09 argh Mar 11 17:02:16 heh Mar 11 17:02:25 in which one? Mar 11 17:02:46 I think the E680 Mar 11 17:02:59 ~lart mickeyl Mar 11 17:03:00 * apt installs PocketPC on mickeyl's PDA Mar 11 17:03:15 i guess that one has been disabled anyways Mar 11 17:03:25 ~lart eplus Mar 11 17:03:25 * apt DoSes eplus Mar 11 17:03:34 mickeyl: You want me to send it back to you? Mar 11 17:03:48 alphaone: let us compare the numbers please Mar 11 17:03:54 Okay Mar 11 17:04:09 can you give me the SIM serial? Mar 11 17:05:03 edistar: That would mean spending much time on documentation instead of coding. This is fine for a later phase of the project, but not yet. So I think we don't have the kind of info you're searching. Sorry. Mar 11 17:05:21 no problem, just asking Mar 11 17:05:33 some kind of CVS maybe? Mar 11 17:05:47 edistar: of course. It's all in svn.openmoko.org Mar 11 17:05:53 root@fic-gta01:~$ cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 Mar 11 17:05:53 Connected. Mar 11 17:05:53 AT-Command Interpreter ready Mar 11 17:06:02 just starting to get involved with linux in this way now, so it's all quite new for me, sry if I ask stupid things Mar 11 17:06:04 CoreDump|home: So yours is working Mar 11 17:06:24 I managed to make real phone calls with the Neo Mar 11 17:06:52 stefan_schmidt: same as before, http://en.pastebin.ca/390710 and then silence. Mar 11 17:06:56 edistar: No question is stupid. But people like to see you try to inform yourself with FAQ and some search about it before asking. Mar 11 17:07:26 pH5: damn Mar 11 17:07:34 mickeyl - You're in FFM sometime I heard? Mar 11 17:07:39 wasn't there a wiki page explainng Mar 11 17:07:39 pH5: Please open a bug about it. I'll comment Mar 11 17:07:48 explaining the modem commands? Mar 11 17:07:54 stefan_schmidt: will do. btw, is gsmd running on ezx already? Mar 11 17:08:01 CoreDump|home - Search for "AT" Mar 11 17:08:16 CoreDump|home: Yeah, but the problem is GSM don't even start to say it'S ready. Mar 11 17:08:30 ok, thanks Mar 11 17:08:35 pH5: No, not yet. Just not enough time. :( Mar 11 17:08:55 Elrond: I'm trying Mar 11 17:09:17 pH5: If I get a GSoC fond for the port I work on it at least in the summer. Hopefully before. Mar 11 17:09:18 ok got it Mar 11 17:09:59 why do you need Google to work on open source projects? Mar 11 17:10:19 CoreDump|home - I assume you already know http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Mar 11 17:10:24 CoreDump|home: Standard AT command set Mar 11 17:10:49 Elrond: thanks! Mar 11 17:10:51 CoreDump|home - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands Mar 11 17:11:18 loufoque: I work on it anyway, since more then a year now, but getting money for work is nice as I don't have to care earning money other ways for food and living Mar 11 17:11:22 (don't ask me, why Search for "AT" does not show this page. Bug in the wiki probably.) Mar 11 17:13:50 wb mickeyl Mar 11 17:18:22 probably because "AT" is too short of a word and would return too many results. ("at" is quite a common word in english) Mar 11 17:18:30 i don't think it is case sensitive is it? Mar 11 17:18:45 A list of AT commands: Go to http://pda.etsi.org/pda/queryform.asp and search for GSM 07.07 Mar 11 17:20:20 or were you being facetious Elrond? Mar 11 17:22:47 stefan_schmidt: yeah, that'd be great! I filed bug #256. Mar 11 17:24:36 SpeedEvil - You there? Mar 11 17:25:38 pH5: thanks Mar 11 17:34:24 Did anyone get the gps chip to talk any single byte? Mar 11 17:40:34 not me yet Mar 11 17:41:46 Hmmm, so it needs some init sequence. :-| Mar 11 17:42:21 Which is good in some ways. It potentially means more accurate initial position on switch-on. Mar 11 17:46:40 what are the chances that it's even powered up? Mar 11 17:47:01 There is a power switch Mar 11 17:47:06 re Mar 11 17:47:22 It's probably in low-power mode till you wake it somehow though. Mar 11 17:47:37 it needs to be enabled first through the pcf50606 and then wake up Mar 11 17:47:39 afaik Mar 11 17:47:54 the power management sequences are documented Mar 11 17:47:56 then maybe inited Mar 11 17:50:01 The power-init-sequence is in the kernel patches. Mar 11 17:50:27 Except for the reset-pin issue, where I'm still waiting for comments. Mar 11 17:50:27 IIRC, a few days ago koen did that, and it did nothing. Mar 11 17:52:09 Right. Mar 11 17:53:02 SpeedEvil - BTW: Do I read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem#using_Bluetooth_headset right? The BT module has a connection to the WM*? Mar 11 17:53:17 AIUI, yes, it's been stated that it does. Mar 11 17:53:21 it datasheet says "When the UART is in SLEEP mode then it will ignore any bytes transmitted by the host except for INTACK (interrupt acknowledge - 0xFA) and WAKE (0xFB)." Mar 11 17:53:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#Bluetooth does not mention that connection. Mar 11 17:53:35 BT audio doesn't have to go through the linux but. Mar 11 17:53:42 bit Mar 11 17:54:02 I mean that the CPU doesn't need to deal with it if it's setup, and the mixers twiddled right. Mar 11 17:54:36