**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 02:59:56 2007 Mar 13 03:17:30 is it very rare to find a mobile device with pixel aspect ratio != 1:1? Mar 13 03:17:59 looks like the neo is 1:1 Mar 13 04:21:27 openmoko: 03werner * r1333 10/developers/werner/TODO: Some updates to keep my readers amused. Mar 13 05:58:10 openmoko: 03tony_guan * r1334 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/ (28 files in 2 dirs): dynamic status displaying support. Mar 13 06:04:56 openmoko: 03tony_guan * r1335 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/openmoko-dialer-window-incoming.c: incoming_0.png Mar 13 06:06:43 openmoko: 03werner * r1336 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ (envedit.pl environment.in setup.sh): (log message trimmed) Mar 13 06:06:43 openmoko: envedit.pl (readenv): make it an error to load an environment smaller than 6 Mar 13 06:06:43 openmoko: bytes Mar 13 06:06:43 openmoko: setup.sh: use partition names for dfu-util Mar 13 06:06:43 openmoko: environment.in: added "Boot from microSD" menu option (untested) Mar 13 06:06:45 openmoko: environment.in: added "regular_boot" to bootargs_base Mar 13 06:06:49 openmoko: setup.sh: just do a "reset halt" after the DFU upload, no complicated and buggy Mar 13 06:11:42 r1337 you can feel it coming Mar 13 06:42:04 kmeyer, :D Mar 13 06:42:16 :) Mar 13 07:08:55 Hehe Mar 13 07:21:36 hello? Mar 13 07:21:36 Lavar: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 13 07:22:49 anyone here? Mar 13 07:32:01 Almost a month old, but I never saw it: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/021407-podcast-n2.html Mar 13 07:33:20 inpatient ... Mar 13 07:33:32 at least got FAQ reply ;-) Mar 13 07:33:46 Hehe.. Quite. Hopefully he waits for P2 ;) Mar 13 07:34:12 openmoko: 03tony_guan * r1337 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/data/ (Makefile.am openmoko-dialer.desktop): desktop file Mar 13 07:38:28 Gads! this is what i have been looking for for YEARS, why did I just find it now? Mar 13 07:38:29 sirkha_top: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 13 07:40:21 this autoreply is funny sometimes ;-) Mar 13 07:40:32 i was thinking that Mar 13 07:40:41 this may be my excuse to finally learn GTK Mar 13 07:40:47 :) Mar 13 07:40:51 (i've been avoiding it) Mar 13 07:42:31 surprisingly often though its correct, but still lately most people probably have already read FAQ Mar 13 07:47:38 aloril: Maybe you should change it to say "Man, can't believe you don't know that!?" ;) Mar 13 07:50:33 how do i stop at the bootloader menu ? pressing AUX again ?? Mar 13 07:50:47 hold in aux while power on Mar 13 07:50:52 hmm, here is one that i can't seem to figure out: is the sd card slot accessible from the outside? Mar 13 07:51:01 no Mar 13 07:51:37 thats unfortunate but not a deal killer (since i have to open the battery cover on my current phone anyways) i am sure there are reasons Mar 13 07:51:51 ah i right the screenshots show that i need to use AUX to choose and power to select Mar 13 07:53:01 CM: hehe Mar 13 07:54:06 shit , i was to slow ,, and now its back to its rebooting state .. Mar 13 07:54:56 rwhitby, do you see a chance when getting to uboot to recover this "keeps rebooting problem " ? do you think the images is wrecked Mar 13 07:55:18 the reboot happens quite early , right after the first splash screen Mar 13 07:55:26 the keeps rebooting is due to low battery charge Mar 13 07:55:37 oh Mar 13 07:55:49 rob__w: hit the power button once Mar 13 07:56:02 then get into the bootloader console via ttyACM0 Mar 13 07:56:11 then type "neo1973 charger fast" Mar 13 07:56:27 ah, yet I need to add yet another link to FAQ: to disassembly page Mar 13 07:57:52 so now ive battery and usb connected .. it is not rebooting but stays off .. Mar 13 07:58:15 * rob__w needs a to find his terminal app Mar 13 08:00:04 hmm.. is "keeps rebooting problem " addressed somewhere in wiki? Mar 13 08:00:06 rob__w: leave it off for a number of minutes for it to get some charge up Mar 13 08:00:43 (including "leave it off for a number of minutes for it to get some charge up", etc.. hints?) Mar 13 08:00:55 ok will keep it charging ,, i need to run to a meeting ,, so now it can charge some hours Mar 13 08:01:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_0 probably should have this info? Mar 13 08:01:21 rob__w: then be ready to get into the bootloader console via ttyACM0, and ready to paste in "neo1973 charger fast" before it uses up all the charge it saved up and reboots again Mar 13 08:01:44 uh sounds fast .. Mar 13 08:02:06 is there no chance that it charges up while turned off to full capacity ? Mar 13 08:02:31 hooray! I finally have eth0, ath0 (wireless), usb0 (neo) all bridged on an Iomega NAS100d, so I can wifi connect to the neo via the nas100d. Mar 13 08:02:45 rwhitby, nice Mar 13 08:02:48 rob__w: it probably does, but this way you can get into it *now* :-) Mar 13 08:02:57 probably better somebody with device edit it so that info is correct (though I guess I could try to add some info there and let P0 owners fix it?) Mar 13 08:03:17 aloril: the latter will be the quickest way to get it in there ;-) Mar 13 08:03:27 i see , will the charger fast command be saved so uboot always does this ? Mar 13 08:03:33 rob__w: no Mar 13 08:04:38 rwhitby, so the rule is have it connected to usb amap Mar 13 08:06:07 so I can connect to the neo via wifi->usbnet and the neo can connect to the internet via usbnet->eth to router. Mar 13 08:06:42 rwhitby, ipkg update ;-) Mar 13 08:06:53 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t/Packages.gz Mar 13 08:06:59 already done that lots Mar 13 08:07:14 hehe great Mar 13 08:08:38 ok, now that all works, the next job is to get the nas100d able to update the firmware on the neo ... Mar 13 08:08:46 why is it that openmoko-dialer is not ready to handle the gsm direclty ? Mar 13 08:09:23 (basically, this is all in preparation for a linux user group meeting I have in a week. I bring in the neo connected to the nas100d, plug in the nas100d, and anyone in the room can wifi into the neo and have a look around. Mar 13 08:11:32 rob__w: probably just simply time Mar 13 08:12:02 good , thats good reason , i was scared there is a more difficult issue Mar 13 08:13:57 so if i leave it at the charger for some hourse , might it boot up just normally ( reach the kernel charger fast command¸s ) ? Mar 13 08:14:17 rob__w: should do Mar 13 08:14:46 roger Mar 13 08:14:52 thanks Mar 13 08:17:00 rwhitby: is this "press power button" with stock P0 u-boot or after updating to latest u-boot? Mar 13 08:17:23 aloril: mine is stock u-boot Mar 13 08:18:04 (I haven't updated anything yet, until I get a stable development/test rig so I can reproduce things easily) Mar 13 08:18:08 is there yet solution to this problem? Mar 13 08:18:54 (well seems that #212 has link to partial solution) Mar 13 08:23:13 rwhitby, so are you paid by FIC ? Mar 13 08:23:48 morning Mar 13 08:23:57 rob__w: no Mar 13 08:24:09 rwhitby: first version: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_0#Reboot_cycle Mar 13 08:24:15 you feel to be a major dude here Mar 13 08:24:42 rob__w: I run nslu2-linux.org, so I have some experience in helping a community grow Mar 13 08:25:57 what's nslu2-linux.org? Mar 13 08:26:24 * xkr47 appreciates rwhitby's presence Mar 13 08:26:39 kmeyer, well open the url :) Mar 13 08:26:41 #212 is really long Mar 13 08:27:03 way too lazy :) Mar 13 08:27:18 / mildly intoxicated Mar 13 08:27:40 kmeyer: I have a policy that I don't tell people anything they can easily find out for themselves :-) Mar 13 08:27:53 makes enough sense Mar 13 08:28:02 cause if you do, they start asking things like "what's nslu2-linux.org?" ;-) Mar 13 08:28:23 :) Mar 13 08:30:02 (nslu2-linux has over 10,000 subscribers on it's mailing lists, and has had over 50,000 firmware downloads in the last two years. Also has raised almost USD$10K in donations in that time, all spent back on the project hardware infrastructure) Mar 13 08:30:26 why is the charger chip not generally trying the fast charge ? this then would enable the device even with not bat connected Mar 13 08:30:36 morning Mar 13 08:30:51 rob__w: not all usb devices can give 500mA for full charge Mar 13 08:30:52 hey hrw Mar 13 08:30:52 hi hrw - any joy with gsm on your p0? Mar 13 08:31:12 hrw, but the charger chip should try to get the most of all .. Mar 13 08:31:26 rwhitby: it is still DEAD Mar 13 08:31:32 hrw: :-( Mar 13 08:31:37 ~lart neo1973 charging system Mar 13 08:31:38 * apt takes neo1973 charging system to the vet for a "special" visit Mar 13 08:31:52 :D Mar 13 08:31:59 ~massacre usb chargers which dont charge in first place Mar 13 08:32:01 I'm more and more thinking about buying nokia dt14 or any nokia bl-5c phone Mar 13 08:32:02 * apt sets seeds of discontent and difference among the usb chargers which dont charge in first place; years later two factions have formed; history will take its course Mar 13 08:32:27 this would allow me to atleast CHARGE batteries Mar 13 08:32:36 hrw: tried second work around yet: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_0#Reboot_cycle Mar 13 08:32:51 aloril: to get into this you need some juice in battery.... Mar 13 08:33:01 i demand a dummy charger routine which trys to fast charge at any time the device is off Mar 13 08:33:05 aloril: if battery goes to 0 then neo is unable to charge it Mar 13 08:33:26 also i demand the usb connection if connected to a 500mA hub to power the device Mar 13 08:33:37 hrw: ah, OK, then .. hmm where is that link to image of using another phone to charge it .. Mar 13 08:33:55 aloril: ha ha ha. Mar 13 08:34:24 aloril: I saw that and do not plan to combine how to destroy battery with some unknown voltage from other device Mar 13 08:35:03 Nokia BL5C looks like a battery not a charger Mar 13 08:35:25 rob__w: yes, but it works in Neo1973 Mar 13 08:35:37 rob__w: "any nokia bl-5c phone" == any Nokia phone which use bl-5c Mar 13 08:36:01 got it Mar 13 08:36:16 those arent too expensive ,, around 8€ .. Mar 13 08:36:18 hrw: Neo1973 batter might not fit to nokia phone though :-( Mar 13 08:36:26 Hi all, can anyone help me in using the kannel wap gateway? I am unable to understand on how to use it. Kindly help me in this regard, by providing some information Mar 13 08:36:46 are there high cap BL5C by any chances ? Mar 13 08:37:00 nokia 770 boot with neo battery Mar 13 08:37:42 hrw: can you tell me (or edit http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_0 ) if you resolve your issue? Mar 13 08:37:48 nearly dead battery... Mar 13 08:38:50 sureshkumar: what are you doing? Mar 13 08:39:08 so i am also in the rebooting loop currently ,, i wil lleave it plugged some hours and then see if it comes back Mar 13 08:39:40 we need matchbox-battery-applet to visualize the charger type`s Mar 13 08:39:52 rob__w: don't leave too long on it, otherwise it might drain too much (I assume this is what happened with hrw's batter, is it so?) Mar 13 08:40:07 aloril: I didn't understand on what are you asking Mar 13 08:40:17 * aloril means, don't leave it in reboot cycling Mar 13 08:40:22 aloril, it is off currently the power is attached Mar 13 08:40:30 aloril, i did this before Mar 13 08:41:02 sureshkumar: why are you asking your questions? why do you need to understand wap/sms/etc..? Mar 13 08:41:21 aloril: I am trying to use kannel wap gateway by using the sample wapkannel.conf Mar 13 08:41:26 rob__w: cool, np then Mar 13 08:41:50 sureshkumar: why are you trying to use kannel wap gateway? Mar 13 08:42:13 To test wap functionality over SMS Mar 13 08:42:37 why do you want "To test wap functionality over SMS" ? Mar 13 08:42:56 Just setting this gateway, so that I can test my middle ware / applications Mar 13 08:44:06 wap over sms sounds like 1999 once again Mar 13 08:44:17 :P Mar 13 08:44:20 what "middle ware / applications" ? Mar 13 08:44:35 * CM leans back and keeps watching the show Mar 13 08:44:40 wap over sms? Mar 13 08:45:05 yeah.. use sms instead of pigeons as transport Mar 13 08:45:13 ^^ Mar 13 08:45:31 is that... workable? Mar 13 08:45:34 if sms are free? Mar 13 08:46:09 well it depends on sms vs gsm modem pricing and surfing habits I guess Mar 13 08:46:42 * xkr47 has been partially involved in wap over sms.. at least I know the wap protocol :) Mar 13 08:47:02 I know that making WAP pages suxx Mar 13 08:47:16 1.5KB limit per deck suxx Mar 13 08:47:39 and most phones have a real browser anyway Mar 13 08:49:00 hrw, yeah :P Mar 13 08:49:49 tigert, sure.. but for some wap over sms might still be feasible Mar 13 08:54:20 yeah Mar 13 08:54:34 we tend to overestimate the amount of technology Mar 13 08:54:41 when living in hitech Mar 13 08:54:47 openmoko: 03laforge * r1338 10/trunk/src/target/agpsd/: create empty dir Mar 13 08:54:55 openmoko: 03laforge * r1339 10/trunk/src/target/agpsd/patches/: create empty dir Mar 13 09:05:48 http://www.flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/419825351/ - how to check does neo battery has any juice left Mar 13 09:06:46 hrw: you hacker you Mar 13 09:21:49 http://www.flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/419831297/ Mar 13 09:23:34 * CoreDump|afk is not getting /dev/ttyUSB0 even w/ debug board attached. Is there a trick to it?? Mar 13 09:24:27 CoreDump|afk: select the right option from boot menu? Mar 13 09:26:48 XorA: no luck Mar 13 09:36:59 how should this question read? "Q: Is it completely free software?" (not yet in FAQ, but adding it) Mar 13 09:37:09 ? "Q: Is it completely FLOSS?" Mar 13 09:37:27 free software/open source? Mar 13 09:39:00 mehhhh Mar 13 09:39:13 < > USB Debugging Device Mar 13 09:39:19 !slap me Mar 13 09:39:50 aloril, I think your original formulation was good Mar 13 09:39:54 "free software" Mar 13 09:42:41 CoreDump|afk: did you load ftdi_sio with the correct VID/PID? Mar 13 09:43:49 ummm Mar 13 09:44:00 mjr: ah, well used last one already (addresses those people that know open source but not free software too) Mar 13 09:44:33 *shrug* Mar 13 09:44:41 I'm not gonna hunt down and kill you Mar 13 09:44:47 btw in the packaging where were peoples picks? I havent found one yet Mar 13 09:45:15 still, does knowing open source equate to knowing that ETLA? I dunno... Mar 13 09:45:52 ah, free software/open source Mar 13 09:45:55 that's okay Mar 13 09:46:38 vmaster: that was indeed my problem :\ Thanks Mar 13 09:47:58 rwhitby: thanks Mar 13 09:48:04 CoreDump|afk: i ran into the same problem with several of my FT2232 based USB-JTAGs as well - each vendor using his own vid/pid, and the driver ignoring it by default Mar 13 09:50:56 ftdi_sio is available in kernel or extra? Mar 13 09:53:11 it's in the kernel Mar 13 09:53:28 has been for quite a while - all the FT232, FT245 and FT2232 devices uses it Mar 13 09:53:32 s/uses/use/ Mar 13 09:53:32 vmaster meant: has been for quite a while - all the FT232, FT245 and FT2232 devices use it Mar 13 09:54:08 but of course it only attaches to devices with FTDI's default vid and pid Mar 13 09:57:00 hrw: but you have to give vendor and product settings in /etc/modprobe.conf for it Mar 13 09:57:34 options ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118 Mar 13 09:58:15 thx Mar 13 09:58:35 np Mar 13 09:59:35 CoreDump|afk: see the uboot menu item checkin for boot from sd card? no need for altboot now, hey? Mar 13 10:00:44 hmm.. [[Neo1973]] needs rewrite, I'll do that later (with links to various announcements and mail(s) to back up claims) Mar 13 10:02:38 Wikipedia has a few inaccuracies on that page too. /me edits. Mar 13 10:04:50 rwhitby: actually I don't see that entry. Did you flash a newer u-boot env by chance? Mar 13 10:09:58 good morning Mar 13 10:10:52 morning florian Mar 13 10:12:28 rmmod ftdi_sio == oops ;( Mar 13 10:13:01 some parts of usb system died after that Mar 13 10:15:50 hrw: works fine here: Linux magrathea 2.6.18.1 #1 PREEMPT Sat Oct 28 21:26:50 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Mar 13 10:16:42 hrw: so did that Nokia770 trick save your Neo1973 battery? Mar 13 10:18:47 aloril: no. n770 refuse to charge unknown batteries Mar 13 10:18:56 vmaster: 2.6.21-rc3 here Mar 13 10:21:34 * hrw goes for usb am->usb af cable Mar 13 10:22:06 usb ab Mar 13 10:23:13 xkr47: a->a extender cable Mar 13 10:23:21 I know :) Mar 13 10:24:12 hrw: do you own a multimeter? If so - strip a USB cable, and seperate out the red and black wires. 5V should be measured across these +-0.5V. Putting a kettle in series with one of the wires, and connecting to the batteries will safely charge it. (a kettle has a resistance of around 20 ohms) Check this first - if it's under 5 ohms don't use. Then connect to + and - of battery. Monitor voltage of battery as it rises. If it gets over 4.2V, it may Mar 13 10:24:19 no way.. usb system in kernel died Mar 13 10:24:31 ging should take several hours Mar 13 10:24:56 The battery will also die if you get it round the wrong way - monitor the voltage and see if it starts to drop. Mar 13 10:25:15 hrw, :O Mar 13 10:25:29 SpeedEvil: cut after "If it gets over 4.2V, it ma" Mar 13 10:25:39 SpeedEvil: or I will go and buy cheapest bl-5c already-charged battery Mar 13 10:26:09 (447 characters seems to be limit) Mar 13 10:26:53 SpeedEvil, if you use irssi, install splitlong.pl script :) Mar 13 10:29:20 may explode Mar 13 10:29:47 for a dead battery at 3V ish, charging should take several hours Mar 13 10:33:36 brb - reboot to get usb working again Mar 13 10:40:00 Error: jtag.c:1181 jtag_examine_chain(): JTAG communication failure, check connection, JTAG interface, target power etc. Mar 13 10:40:03 ;( Mar 13 10:40:14 is the target powered? Mar 13 10:40:59 vmaster: hard to tell. neo need lot of power to give sign of being powered Mar 13 10:48:29 according to my multimeter battery has 3.38V Mar 13 10:50:02 did you try pressing the power button? Mar 13 10:51:12 and holding AUX down? Mar 13 10:52:59 yes Mar 13 10:53:02 a lot of times Mar 13 10:54:17 is ftdi_sio currently loaded with the debug board's vid/pid? Mar 13 10:54:52 this time no Mar 13 10:55:32 modprobing.. Mar 13 10:55:53 uhm, no, i kind of hoped that ftdi_sio prevented the OpenOCD from grabbing the interface Mar 13 10:56:02 but if you didn't have it loaded, that isn't the problem Mar 13 10:57:14 anyone know against which version of u-boot the neo1973 patches have to be applied? top of git? Mar 13 10:57:46 1.1.2 or 1.1.4 i suspect Mar 13 10:57:58 ~curse ftdi_sio for oopsing Mar 13 10:58:08 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ftdi_sio for oopsing ! Mar 13 10:58:41 http://pastebin.ca/393191 Mar 13 10:59:18 and usb DIED. Mar 13 10:59:21 fscking crap Mar 13 10:59:28 ARGHHHSFSDFS#@$@#^$@^@(^&@(*^$@& Mar 13 10:59:54 I will buy nokia phone Mar 13 11:00:22 something cheap, crappy and working Mar 13 11:05:06 * SpeedEvil realises that the original schedule for P1 was last Saturday. Mar 13 11:08:51 <_buz> try january Mar 13 11:09:02 <_buz> SCNR Mar 13 11:11:57 Well - yes. Mar 13 11:12:27 Also - was there _actually_ a '25th' announcement, or was it 'Late March?' Mar 13 11:13:03 CoreDump|afk: it was just a checkin by werner that I saw noting a menu entry to boot from SD Mar 13 11:13:08 I don't remember anything semi-official with anything other than 'late'. Mar 13 11:13:57 * aloril ponders if P0.5 would have made sense (to check that GTA01Bv4 is OK before its made more widely available) Mar 13 11:14:36 I suspect that's what's going to happen. Mar 13 11:14:48 <_buz> it would probablynot have speed up things very much Mar 13 11:14:58 <_buz> i wonder if p1 will be skippped in favor of p1.5 in the end Mar 13 11:15:11 However. Mar 13 11:15:33 You can save a potentially moderate amount of money by ordering components and 1000 PCBs. Mar 13 11:15:41 You populate 50 PCBs and ship. Mar 13 11:15:53 If it all works, you assemble and ship the next 950 Mar 13 11:16:16 As a new PCB is much cheaper than a PCB + stuff. Mar 13 11:17:58 GTA01Bv4 is actually already available, so they have almost month to test it internally Mar 13 11:18:51 True. Mar 13 11:19:15 SpeedEvil: hmm.. I don't see around 2007-03-25 anywhere either, unless it has been in FOSDEM talk? Mar 13 11:19:27 I think that was 'late march'. Mar 13 11:19:36 do we know it's available? I thought it was only designed, and they need 4 to 6 weeks for manufacture. Mar 13 11:19:49 25th was just picked I think as it's a compromise between late march and end of march. Mar 13 11:20:08 6 weeks quoted was for the LCM order time. Mar 13 11:20:41 PCBs take under a week to make, and if you've got all the bits, and a assembly plant, then you can get samples _easily_ in a couple of weeks. Mar 13 11:21:00 For a rush, under a week is easily possible - for the first 10 ynits. Mar 13 11:21:11 (video, PDF does not have that date either (late march too)) Mar 13 11:22:08 rwhitby: latest info is "We have finalized the next revision called GTA01Bv4, which we expect to be available in sample quantities roughly at the end of the month. Let's hope this time we got everything right and can immediately proceed to producing larger quantities." Mar 13 11:22:11 If the core team does not have a tame PCB designer, that could add more time. Mar 13 11:22:30 2007-03-06: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-March/000006.html Mar 13 11:22:46 aloril: nod. I stand corrected. Mar 13 11:23:45 * aloril ponders what does "sample quantities" means in practice Mar 13 11:23:47 Finalised the next revision may not mean 'I have one in my hand' Mar 13 11:24:12 It may well mean 'we've got the circuit diagram changes, and sent them to the PCB layout person' Mar 13 11:24:22 yeah Mar 13 11:24:59 However, if it all dropped right, I could see hardware arriving about now. Mar 13 11:25:16 also they need some time for software too, I think they don't want to cell phone with only [[Manually_using_GSM]] ;-) Mar 13 11:25:35 s/cell/sell/ Mar 13 11:25:35 aloril meant: also they need some time for software too, I think they don't want to sell phone with only [[Manually_using_GSM]] ;-) Mar 13 11:25:50 We _really_ don't want 'power users' ordering phones and being utterly unable to do anything. Mar 13 11:26:22 aloril: if at all - #256 Mar 13 11:27:01 hrw: yeah, no doubt they will have some way to test that things like that work before shipping Mar 13 11:28:20 sample quantities might mean "first N pre-orders get it, lets wait a bit to see its all OK, then open it up for rest" Mar 13 11:28:34 Or it might mean all P0 devs Mar 13 11:28:37 (just guess of course) Mar 13 11:28:50 ah, yeah, true, more likely that way Mar 13 11:29:08 Or it might mean all P0 devs who have done anything with the phone. Mar 13 11:33:26 * rwhitby wonders if the rest of the community thinks the P0 devs have been living up to their priviledged position ... Mar 13 11:35:41 rwhitby: heh, looking at the battery problems i'd guess you p0 guys didn't have much of chance yet Mar 13 11:36:10 IMO, I have the feeling that I could do much more than many of the P0 devs. Mar 13 11:36:28 I am unfortuantely realistic enought ot realise that I probably wouldn't. Mar 13 11:36:50 I know battery problems woudln't bother me though. Mar 13 11:37:04 * SpeedEvil has a lab PSU, and is not afraid to use it! :) Mar 13 11:37:08 hehehe Mar 13 11:37:13 vmaster: I haven't had any real problem with the battery. I changed mine to not autoboot into Linux, and left it that way overnight and it was in a reboot loop in the morning. It was an easy fix, and now I know not to leave it in u-boot until the battery runs down. Mar 13 11:37:38 rwhitby: the southern hemisphere rocks! Mar 13 11:37:55 koen|galinhas_: always has ;-) Mar 13 11:38:32 have you learnt yet how to lean the other way so you don't fall off the earth? Mar 13 11:39:06 always wondered how you're doing that... i mean, isn't that quite some headache after a few years of standing upside-down? Mar 13 11:39:34 damn. I can't install openocd on the nas100d, cause it's wanting to install some libgcc-s1 package which seems to be conflicting with the real ligcc1 ... Mar 13 11:40:02 * rwhitby gets the -force-depends hammer out ... Mar 13 11:40:42 s/ligcc1/libgcc1/ of course Mar 13 11:41:21 rwhitby: gcc/gcc-cross packaging is a bit broken Mar 13 11:41:32 rwhitby: I am in the process of unbreaking it Mar 13 11:41:50 koen|galinhas: excellent. I'll go to bed now and try again tomorrow then :-) Mar 13 11:41:59 make that next week :) Mar 13 11:42:07 the beach is a bit too nice here :) Mar 13 11:42:33 I doubt your pride will allow you to leave it broken that long, beach or not. Mar 13 11:42:56 SpeedEvil: did you apply for P0? Mar 13 11:43:59 * rwhitby puts away the -force-depends hammer, and uses -nodeps instead ... Mar 13 11:44:57 -force-overwrite Mar 13 11:52:17 koen|galinhas: I don't think I want to install libgcc-s1 - I've never seen that package naming before. Mar 13 11:52:30 (hence I left libgcc1 there) Mar 13 11:52:44 rwhitby: gcc-cross renames libgcc_s to libgcc :( Mar 13 11:52:59 I don't know why Mar 13 11:53:44 vmaster: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenOCD#OpenOCD_and_Debug_Board says use openocd svn rev 130. If I use svn latest, would that cause "Command ft2232_vid_pid not found" and "Command ft2232_layout not found" ? Mar 13 11:54:14 uhm, no Mar 13 11:54:16 (I'm trying to run openocd built for ixp4xxle, running on an iomega nas100d, to talk via the debug board to the neo. Mar 13 11:54:32 It reports "Open On-Chip Debugger (2007-01-31 12:00 CET)" Mar 13 11:54:34 the only difference between r130 and r131 is a fix in the libftdi support Mar 13 11:54:44 yeah, i notoriously forget to update that version string... :( Mar 13 11:55:16 did that build enable support for the ft2232? Mar 13 11:55:19 * rwhitby decides to look at what devirginator does ... Mar 13 11:55:20 it's conditionally compiled Mar 13 11:55:51 aha: EXTRA_OECONF = " --disable-ftdi2232 --disable-ftd2xx" in stock OE Mar 13 11:56:14 that's from > 1/2 year ago Mar 13 11:56:45 use "--enable-ft2232_libftdi" Mar 13 11:56:51 hmm - the openocd-native_svn.bb has EXTRA_OECONF = "--enable-ft2232_libftdi --enable-parport-ppdev" Mar 13 11:57:07 but for some reason the non-native recipe is bogus. Mar 13 11:57:27 rwhitby: the non-native was intended to be used on the Cirrus E93xx with bit-banging Mar 13 11:57:45 g2 tried that almost a year ago Mar 13 11:57:59 ah, and I want to use it on an ixp4xx with ftdi via usb Mar 13 11:58:02 i renamed the options since then Mar 13 11:58:04 yeah Mar 13 11:58:08 12:58 < vmaster> use "--enable-ft2232_libftdi" Mar 13 11:58:28 would those options still work for [g2], or am I going to break it for him? Mar 13 12:00:38 * rwhitby larts non-native and native bb recipes using different compile options Mar 13 12:00:59 aloril: no - I'm doing too much on my house ATM. Mar 13 12:01:11 No time :( Mar 13 12:01:18 vmaster: thx for the tips Mar 13 12:01:28 rwhitby: guess noone actually used it, and noone should use the source from back then Mar 13 12:03:25 rwhitby: they won't Mar 13 12:03:27 rwhitby: and [g2] didn't make that recipe, I did :) Mar 13 12:03:50 koen|galinhas: I need to add something to make it look in staging fir ftdi.h too Mar 13 12:04:26 Hi people. Mar 13 12:04:49 counter Mar 13 12:04:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review P1: 2 weeks, 4 days 23:55:11 (18.997 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (532) Mar 13 12:04:58 hi Elrond Mar 13 12:05:03 hrw - Hi! Mar 13 12:05:11 hrw - How's your unbricking going? Mar 13 12:06:05 I think the counter is making it feel longer. Mar 13 12:06:11 Elrond: I took a look at devirginator and will probably lash environment to it. but now neo does not turn on so I skip it and do my hunt for missing symbol Mar 13 12:07:02 hrw - It doesn't even turn on, when getting power via usb? Mar 13 12:07:09 Hmm, that sounds very breakish. Mar 13 12:08:27 Elrond: nokia 770 starts with that battery... neo does not Mar 13 12:08:52 hmm.. [[FAQ]] has link to [[Neo1973]] which has link to [[Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review]] Mar 13 12:08:59 counter_msg Mar 13 12:08:59 aloril changed counter prefix message to Mar 13 12:09:15 Yeah. Mar 13 12:09:33 I was going to fold some of the P0 review stuff into it. Mar 13 12:10:22 And add a picture - as you can probably tell. Mar 13 12:11:21 SpeedEvil: if I read history correctly, you added 2007-03-25 date to Neo1973, so I guess its OK to change to "Late March" (or whatever latest mail is using) Mar 13 12:11:47 SpeedEvil: umm.. you are editing [[Neo1973]] currently? Mar 13 12:12:13 I changed it to late march Mar 13 12:12:24 I'm done for now. Mar 13 12:12:43 Isn't the regex for the sites in the topic broken? Shouldn't it be commas instead of pipes? Mar 13 12:12:54 no. Mar 13 12:13:19 (foo|bar)ist matches fooist and barist Mar 13 12:13:52 But it's {foo|bar}, not (foo|bar) Mar 13 12:14:08 depends. Mar 13 12:14:14 The topic Mar 13 12:14:20 The topic says {foo|bar} Mar 13 12:14:25 oh Mar 13 12:14:43 Personally. I'd say just link to wiki Mar 13 12:15:04 drat Mar 13 12:15:16 I can't upgrade uboot because I don't have a linuxbox handy Mar 13 12:15:28 I don't think the topic is supposed to be regex, the dots aren't even escaped :P Mar 13 12:16:27 wow, maemo has 1400 registered users at their gforge site Mar 13 12:16:27 and 190 projects Mar 13 12:16:35 koen|galinhas: you need to carry a slug with you wherever you go ... Mar 13 12:17:25 * aloril wonders what will be OpenMoko numbers in 1-2 years Mar 13 12:17:56 * rwhitby considers gluing the debug board to the side of an NSLU2 to make a portable neo reflash station ... Mar 13 12:18:52 rwhitby: hehe Mar 13 12:20:23 but seriously, I need to give a demo at a linux users group next week, so I'm setting up an Iomega NAS100d, with bridged wifi, eth0, and usbnet (to neo) so everyone in the room can ssh into the neo and check it out ... Mar 13 12:20:25 * koen|galinhas_ stabs gtk.org Mar 13 12:21:01 koen|galinhas: lack of any release news? Mar 13 12:21:44 koen|galinhas: and how many of those maemo projects has working packages? how many of them can be installed out-of-box? Mar 13 12:22:03 hrw: yes, lack of release news Mar 13 12:22:14 hrw: those numbers are pretty bad Mar 13 12:22:47 My "packaging is hell, use OE" interested a lot of nokia people :) Mar 13 12:23:31 koen|galinhas_: that was one of ideas why I got nokia770 ;D Mar 13 12:23:55 vmaster: I think I have openocd connectivity to the neo via the debug board now. What's an easy way to non-intrusively test that connectivity? Mar 13 12:24:18 rwhitby: 'reg' command? Mar 13 12:24:32 (and is this the first time someone has run openocd on an ixp4xx device as the host, rather than the target?) Mar 13 12:25:21 hrw: halt then reg worked :-) Mar 13 12:25:30 rwhitby: I used openocd on my loft to test the package a while back :) Mar 13 12:25:35 (then resume) Mar 13 12:25:56 koen|galinhas: how come the non-native package was broken then ;-) Mar 13 12:26:25 "a while back" Mar 13 12:27:08 anyway, I'm calling that a success. You can now successfully debug a neo from an ixp4xx (like nslu2 or nas100d). Mar 13 12:27:13 night all Mar 13 12:27:36 n8 rwhitby Mar 13 12:27:38 night Mar 13 12:28:00 ~lart that green thing in black case here Mar 13 12:28:01 * apt throws that green thing in black case here's poor little doggy off a cliff Mar 13 12:28:20 s/green/red ;D Mar 13 12:33:43