**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 16 02:59:57 2007 Mar 16 02:59:57 km Mar 16 03:00:18 that's when I'm at home, and the neo is still in the test rig at work. Mar 16 03:00:35 I sure would like to experience the look and feel of the finger GUI. Mar 16 03:00:36 (I can still reflash it from bare metal from that distance) Mar 16 03:01:18 would an application developer ever need to reflash u-boot? Mar 16 03:03:12 well I did, to fix the 64M bug Mar 16 03:04:44 so can I try your Makefile on my x86_64 now? Mar 16 03:05:56 sorry, you said 64M bug. I misread that. Mar 16 03:07:50 15k, that's like a ride from brunswick to st kilda Mar 16 03:09:10 why are the development images so large? 25MB? Mar 16 03:10:06 or is that the root file system? Mar 16 03:16:22 how long does it take to flash the kernel? Mar 16 03:16:34 DukeOfURL: yes, rootfs. Mar 16 03:17:10 wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[User:Cezz]] [[Translation]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo]] [[Main_Page]] [[FAQ/de]] Mar 16 03:24:19 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1382 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/src/ (12 files): delete '^M' Mar 16 03:31:45 heh, pesky CRLFs Mar 16 03:31:53 libervisco: btw.. IMHO, you can paste url here every time you have new content (or again if it answers some question) Mar 16 03:41:40 aloril, thanks Mar 16 03:47:10 libervisco: what I meant is that repeatedly pasting same content without any useful reason, but of course this is obvious to you ;-) Mar 16 03:48:28 of course Mar 16 03:48:30 :) Mar 16 03:49:43 "Harald said that the Phase 1+ hardware will probably include an upgrade to 1GB on-board flash." http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/post/jan/2007-03-15/openmoko-chaosradio-express-german ( updated [[Neo1973]] Mar 16 03:50:18 * aloril sees base distribution growing ;-) Mar 16 03:50:57 that's great to hear :) Mar 16 03:51:20 I intend to buy probably this summer.. can't before unfortunately... Mar 16 03:51:32 the mass version after September at the latest Mar 16 05:01:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, 2 days 06:59:01 (16.291 +-7.0 days) (see faq) Mar 16 05:01:27 later reply to yesterday counter request ;-) Mar 16 05:01:33 <_ASK> hi guys Mar 16 05:01:40 hi _ASK Mar 16 05:02:05 <_ASK> can you give me opinions on this http://mikemex.t35.com/phone/teclado2.png Mar 16 05:03:17 <_ASK> it's a concept phone; uses a single finger (thumb) optimized keyboard; it's also optimized for slim profile Mar 16 05:04:49 keys look too small (especially for use with your thumb), too many buttons, key order would take some time to get used to Mar 16 05:05:43 <_ASK> well, it's just a "draft" Mar 16 05:05:53 <_ASK> i will make a 3D model in autocad later Mar 16 05:06:24 <_ASK> keys are prism shaped, so even if they look too close, there is plenty of tactical feedback Mar 16 05:10:00 counter Mar 16 05:10:01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, 2 days 06:49:58 (16.285 +-7.0 days) (549) Mar 16 05:10:42 <_ASK> the size of that "phone" is 50x100 mm Mar 16 05:17:55 <_ASK> as for the key number, a treo phone has 41 keys and this one 43 Mar 16 05:18:07 <_ASK> about the same, just arranged differently Mar 16 05:18:42 <_ASK> the key order is optimized for reduced finger movement Mar 16 05:19:09 <_ASK> most common keys are in the center, with the most associated keys (bigrams) nerby Mar 16 05:30:26 i don't think a phone should need nearly that many keys, just because another phone has 41, that doesn't make it ok Mar 16 05:30:44 <_ASK> it's a full keyboard Mar 16 05:31:19 <_ASK> with a phone which is a small computer already Mar 16 05:31:26 <_ASK> it's needed a decent keyboard Mar 16 05:31:36 and i personally wouldn't want my keys arranged like that Mar 16 05:31:54 <_ASK> input devices and ergonomics are the first considerations when designing a phone Mar 16 05:32:02 <_ASK> why not? Mar 16 05:32:55 im already used to the way a qwerty keyboard is arranged, and used to hwo they are arrange on my normal phone. i don't really see the use of a full keyboard on a phone Mar 16 05:34:05 <_ASK> have you used both? a phone with a full keyboard (like the treo) and a phone without buttons like the neo? Mar 16 05:34:52 <_ASK> i find it troublesome to type directly on the screen and to use the stylus i need both hands Mar 16 05:36:42 <_ASK> besides, that design is even smaller than the neo and doesn't sacrifice much, screen is 2.6, the smallest VGA size available Mar 16 05:37:27 <_ASK> five way control is also quite useful and accurate Mar 16 06:38:29 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1383 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/src/list_view.c: bug fixed: list_view.c::moko_add_window:pixbuf pointer free error Mar 16 06:47:06 (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz Re: Crossroads Mar 16 07:28:54 <_ASK> nice, i've finished the curved layout... Mar 16 07:30:47 Wow, EABI looks nice :) Mar 16 07:32:01 <_ASK> http://mikemex.t35.com/phone/telefono.png Mar 16 07:32:49 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1384 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/src/ (callbacks.c xatoms.c xatoms.h): small modify Mar 16 07:43:20 i think i would like some kind of almost fullscreen overlay keyboard in horizontal view to type with the thumbs, perhaps... Mar 16 07:43:50 at least a non-stylus keyboard alternative should be present, i think. Mar 16 07:43:55 we'l see. Mar 16 07:44:00 *'ll Mar 16 07:52:44 <_ASK> have you seen my design? Mar 16 07:53:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] Mar 16 07:53:29 <_ASK> overlay are the worse of the worse Mar 16 07:53:55 <_ASK> when you're typing you get confused between the overlay and what's below Mar 16 07:58:50 _ASK: yes, i had a look. Mar 16 07:59:14 the buttons looked a bit tiny. it's meant to use a stylus with it, or what? Mar 16 08:00:28 <_ASK> no, your thumb Mar 16 08:00:28 _ASK: i know you might get confused, but i think it could be managable for the hardcore people ;-) Mar 16 08:00:39 oh, okay. *have another look* Mar 16 08:00:49 <_ASK> keys aren't that small Mar 16 08:01:03 <_ASK> at least, compared to most full keyboards Mar 16 08:01:31 <_ASK> also, it's for a decent sized phone (50mm thick) Mar 16 08:01:37 you plan this for the Neo1973, right? Mar 16 08:01:52 <_ASK> for the next generation neo, yes Mar 16 08:03:03 <_ASK> it's a "hardware" keyboard, not on screen Mar 16 08:03:08 aha. Mar 16 08:03:37 i thought it was an on-screen keyboard for the 2.8" VGA touchscreen of Neo1973. Mar 16 08:04:57 <_ASK> could be Mar 16 08:05:15 <_ASK> i've spent quite a bit of time refining the layout Mar 16 08:05:54 <_ASK> just remove the upper part of the keyboard and could serve as on-screen Mar 16 08:06:24 (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Re: [oe] Why EABI matters Mar 16 08:08:26 _ASK: where's that design of yours? Mar 16 08:08:50 <_ASK> http://mikemex.t35.com/phone/telefono.png Mar 16 08:10:02 looks a lot like blackberry pearl Mar 16 08:10:03 <_ASK> http://mikemex.t35.com/phone/teclado2.png (hand drawn draft, with letters and symbols) Mar 16 08:10:34 <_ASK> well, it's one key per letter, with optimized layour for reduced finger movement Mar 16 08:10:45 there's one thing i dont understand: why are the key lines bent towards you Mar 16 08:10:57 wouldnt it be easier to bend them away from you Mar 16 08:11:02 <_ASK> ah, that's an ergonomic decision Mar 16 08:11:10 <_ASK> it's a keyboard for thumb Mar 16 08:11:23 <_ASK> tumb has an axis of movement that moves in that direction Mar 16 08:11:25 assuming your thumb comes from mid-below Mar 16 08:11:40 <_ASK> yes, center of the keyboard is lower than sides Mar 16 08:11:50 <_ASK> because of the radious Mar 16 08:12:03 but wouldnt it exactly the other side Mar 16 08:12:22 <_ASK> well, it's supposed to be capable of be used both hands also Mar 16 08:12:23 rwhitby: please have a look at build error, when you get the time... http://rafb.net/p/ztP76197.html Mar 16 08:12:27 <_ASK> but still thumbs Mar 16 08:12:40 openmoko: 03mickey * r1385 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-pim/files/ (4 files): Mar 16 08:12:40 openmoko: oe/openmoko-pim: add files from OE upstream to make it build again Mar 16 08:12:40 openmoko: NOTE: please guys, test compiling before adding recipes overloading OE ones to our buildserver Mar 16 08:12:51 <_ASK> also, it's for left and right handed people Mar 16 08:14:08 i need some sleep. see you later, _ASK. Mar 16 08:14:17 <_ASK> have a good rest Mar 16 08:16:14 aevin: try a newer gcc on your build host Mar 16 08:16:30 openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1386 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/main.c: Mar 16 08:16:30 openmoko: Remove the ugly code for Ken has make it by configure in .desktop file. Mar 16 08:16:30 openmoko: Use strcasestr instead of in_string. Mar 16 08:38:26 morning greentux Mar 16 08:38:28 how are things? Mar 16 08:38:54 mickeyl: morning. Mar 16 08:39:04 mickeyl: nice, much todo. waiting for phase 1 :) Mar 16 08:39:19 *nod* :) Mar 16 08:39:36 Any rumors of how it's going with the hw? Mar 16 08:39:51 heh Mar 16 08:40:01 you want me to turn the rumour wheel? :) Mar 16 08:40:02 Haven't heard anything about huge delays at least.. *cross fingers* Mar 16 08:40:13 mickeyl: Of course I do ;) Mar 16 08:40:31 LaF0rge and werner are flying to Taiwan today Mar 16 08:40:52 trying to get BV4 (what ships in p1) into shape Mar 16 08:41:10 Ok, sounds good. :) Mar 16 08:41:24 (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Re: Google SoC, To-Do Mar 16 08:41:36 we have an unpleasent number of p0 devices with a dead gsm Mar 16 08:41:48 but that is most likely due to the manufacturing plant, not the design Mar 16 08:42:14 so i'm confident that the guys will come back w/ some good news in one week Mar 16 08:42:21 <--- optimist Mar 16 08:42:22 :) Mar 16 08:42:26 It it that hard to test that the chip is even wroking? Mar 16 08:42:32 *cough* Mar 16 08:42:33 no Mar 16 08:42:35 supereasy Mar 16 08:42:38 4 commands :/ Mar 16 08:42:48 * mickeyl mumbles something about QA Mar 16 08:42:49 That's what I thought.. Mar 16 08:43:41 I have a friend doing RF design for Nokia, and he complains a lit about their Chinese factories.. "Never any QA!" ;) Mar 16 08:43:54 /s/lit/lot/ Mar 16 08:44:03 ya, sounds familiar Mar 16 08:44:46 * CM continues to wait patiently for P1 :) Mar 16 08:44:51 mickeyl: do you think all fic production goes like this? Mar 16 08:45:04 no Mar 16 08:45:18 there's a) a number of hw teams in FIC Mar 16 08:45:23 and b) a number of manuf. plants Mar 16 08:45:31 we had a bit of trouble with both a) and b) Mar 16 08:45:36 and we will switch Mar 16 08:45:44 Maybe they use this certification: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000818.html Mar 16 08:46:02 FIC has a whole lot of good engineers Mar 16 08:46:12 we just need to get them into our hw team Mar 16 08:46:19 which is tough Mar 16 08:46:23 company politics Mar 16 08:46:24 *cough* Mar 16 08:46:27 heh Mar 16 08:46:36 No suprise there.. Mar 16 08:46:50 morning XorA! Mar 16 08:46:55 yo Dr mickeyl Mar 16 08:47:01 heh, works-on-my-machine. cool sticker Mar 16 08:47:04 * mickeyl bows Mar 16 08:47:19 I hope the management gets that this phone can be a really big thing Mar 16 08:47:41 ya, they still don't grok the impact 100%, but it's on its way Mar 16 08:47:49 it would help if we got working hardware *cough* Mar 16 08:47:55 Hehe Mar 16 08:48:24 We have a dream........ Mar 16 08:48:29 no seriously, once we have a solid hw base and see all these ideas being realized, the situation will be much better Mar 16 08:48:57 and there's no point starting w/ new hw designs with this team until we have a solid first iteration Mar 16 08:49:09 * CM agrees Mar 16 08:49:36 mmh Mar 16 08:49:37 It's always easy to try and do too much at once Mar 16 08:49:38 DHL Mar 16 08:49:45 ya, it's tempting Mar 16 08:50:03 oh, hey mickeyl Mar 16 08:50:25 What did Sean mean with 'talking with O-Hand'? mickeyl Mar 16 08:50:37 cheers pvanhoof, sorry for not responding to your mail yet, but it's been ... well, busy would be belitteling Mar 16 08:50:47 yes I completely understand :) Mar 16 08:50:51 don't worry Mar 16 08:51:37 Are you online in a few hours? I have an appointment with my accountant in a few minutes too :) Mar 16 08:51:55 unfortunately not, i'm travelling to Düsseldorf today for a meeting :/ Mar 16 08:52:05 okay, no problem :) Mar 16 08:52:06 lets talk when I'm back on weekend, yaß Mar 16 08:52:08 ? Mar 16 08:52:11 Sure Mar 16 08:52:13 ok, cool Mar 16 08:52:19 Or over mail Mar 16 08:52:24 yep. Mar 16 08:52:28 No hurry etc :) Mar 16 08:52:32 * mickeyl starts packing things and waits for the DHL guy Mar 16 08:52:41 have fun Mar 16 08:52:44 poor busy guys :) Mar 16 08:52:47 mickeyl: Shipping yourself as an express package? ;) Mar 16 08:52:49 ya, it's a bit crazy Mar 16 08:52:52 CM: heheheh Mar 16 08:52:54 and it aint going to get better Mar 16 08:52:54 what a concept Mar 16 08:52:59 :-) Mar 16 08:53:23 CM: no, actually Taiwan shipped me a P0 phone to show off at some Zaurus user group meeting later today Mar 16 08:53:35 poor mickey still has a pre-p0 lollypop phone Mar 16 08:53:37 ;) Mar 16 08:54:03 i'm leaving in a couple of hours and hope DHL will make it in time Mar 16 08:54:33 mickeyl: quick spray it black Mar 16 08:54:39 hehe, yeah Mar 16 08:54:54 case us nucer in P0 though, feels more solid Mar 16 08:54:58 is nicer Mar 16 08:55:07 i'm actually quite surprised how much of a difference the color and the finish can make Mar 16 08:55:22 even your pre-p0 felt better Mar 16 08:55:36 mickeyl: oh, I thought it was same case you had Mar 16 08:55:44 no, you already have the one with the slight rubber feel Mar 16 08:55:49 mine's totally plastic-feel Mar 16 08:56:07 and mine even lacks the product name :) Mar 16 08:56:14 just some case manufacturer name Mar 16 08:56:14 mine says nomad Mar 16 08:56:32 oh Mar 16 08:56:37 so you have the same one, right Mar 16 08:56:41 you thinking of seans phone? Mar 16 08:56:44 ya, sean's Mar 16 08:56:47 right Mar 16 08:57:10 mine doesnt even have screws :-) Mar 16 08:57:17 hehe Mar 16 08:57:33 * mickeyl refills his coffee cup Mar 16 08:57:44 wise plan I shall fill mine as well Mar 16 08:59:41 * XorA cant wait until P1 when phone becomes portable Mar 16 09:00:14 yeah Mar 16 09:00:20 * guaqua can't wait till he gets his P1 phone and can actually make calls with it Mar 16 09:00:54 I don't even care much about calling from the start.. I want to play mp3's on it ;) Mar 16 09:01:17 sounds good. i can confirm this is already working ;) Mar 16 09:01:38 i didn't manage to play ogg yet Mar 16 09:01:38 The only thing I worry about losing on a phone is the contact information Mar 16 09:01:43 but that's due to the FP-codec Mar 16 09:01:52 How is that going to be stored when you re-flash it? Mar 16 09:02:23 Have to be some kind of easy back up of that. Another goal of mine for sure Mar 16 09:02:25 CM: personally, i would suggest writing contacts only to SD Mar 16 09:02:47 even if that means you _need_ an SD to operate the phone Mar 16 09:02:49 That's what I was thinking too. What format is the db? Mar 16 09:03:00 mickeyl: i was thinking about a good backup method too Mar 16 09:03:02 evolution, so berkely IIRC Mar 16 09:03:06 Ok Mar 16 09:03:21 guaqua,CM: ya, a really good backup app is a challenge Mar 16 09:03:24 how are sms messages stores? Mar 16 09:03:27 stored i mean Mar 16 09:03:46 sms support is not there yet Mar 16 09:03:58 are there any plans? Mar 16 09:03:59 i hope we can (ab)use the evolution db for that as well Mar 16 09:04:06 i'm not too fond of different data storage solutions Mar 16 09:04:21 absolutely, sms is on the agenda, some guys in taiwan are working on it Mar 16 09:04:22 i'd actually be fond of pure text files, but that's just me Mar 16 09:04:27 *nod* Just adds more dependencis and complexity Mar 16 09:04:39 I mean multiple dbs Mar 16 09:04:44 my idea was to stuff everything into the evo db Mar 16 09:04:44 ;= Mar 16 09:04:51 i'm not sure yet whether we can do that Mar 16 09:04:54 but it looks good so far Mar 16 09:05:09 the concept of a filesystem really is a technical one Mar 16 09:05:17 * CM is off to the coffee machine Mar 16 09:05:18 mickeyl: mplayer has fixed point codec for ogg Mar 16 09:05:31 as long as there is a centralized way that actually works and is easy to implement stuff on, i'm happy with that Mar 16 09:05:43 XorA: ah, good, i need to try that. vorbis is using 100% without tremor Mar 16 09:05:54 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1387 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/ (detail-area.c tool-box.c): Remove the warnning in tool-box.c and detail-area.c. Mar 16 09:05:54 but that's not as easy equation it sounds :) Mar 16 09:06:23 extend tinymail to work with SMS store as well Mar 16 09:06:46 guaqua: *nod* top goal is having _one_ _consistent _ way of dealing with PIM data. We really want to discourage parallel storage models since they don't allow for cross-referencing and increase backup complexity Mar 16 09:06:54 Ive got a good mail client on WinCE that treats SMS the same as email and it works nicely Mar 16 09:06:58 true Mar 16 09:07:34 i was also thinking about backup as not only in neo -> computer, but neo -> usb drive Mar 16 09:07:48 maybe webdav also Mar 16 09:07:52 yeah Mar 16 09:07:57 multiple backup "sinks" Mar 16 09:08:48 with computer backup you have to implement the computer side too, with these others we would only need special stuff on the OS side Mar 16 09:11:52 cu l8er, need to pack Mar 16 09:12:28 XorA: what is the fixed point ogg decoder in mplayer? playing 192k .oggs with mplayer/ffvorbis eats 95% cpu Mar 16 09:13:29 pH5: tremor Mar 16 09:13:47 pH5: dont use ffvorbis Mar 16 09:14:00 pH5: thats ffmpeg using a floating point codec Mar 16 09:14:22 pH5: I think the codec you want is actually just called vorbis Mar 16 09:15:05 i think it's actually quite impressive that it can run fp based oggs at 192k Mar 16 09:15:17 does it stutter? Mar 16 09:16:04 buz: when loading from flash/sd, yes. just playing from memory is fine. Mar 16 09:16:34 with 128mb ram you could likely cache to memory easily Mar 16 09:16:35 XorA: thanks, with -ac vorbis it uses 23-24% cpu Mar 16 09:16:57 has anybody tried 320kbit mp3? Mar 16 09:18:27 ~lart me for not being a student and not being able to apply for OpenMoko SoC Mar 16 09:18:27 * apt takes out me for not being a student and not being able to apply with the trash for OpenMoko SoC Mar 16 09:19:09 apt doesnt seem to understand self references ;) Mar 16 09:19:26 pH5: bonus points if you know how to turn off ffvorbis on ARM targets as I get that question lots Mar 16 09:20:06 XorA: yeah, I was just about to ask ;) Mar 16 09:22:16 --disable-decoder=DECODER Mar 16 09:22:23 looks promising Mar 16 09:23:00 EXTRA_OECONF_append_arm = " --disable-decoder=ffvorbis" ? Mar 16 09:23:20 pH5: looks like that would do it, are you in position to try, I dont have my zaurus today Mar 16 09:24:21 --disable-decoder=oggvorbis I think is the right way Mar 16 09:24:58 XorA: ok, I'll try Mar 16 09:26:25 _libavdecoders=`grep 'register_avcodec(&[a-z0-9_]*_decoder)' libavcodec/allcodecs.c | sed 's/.*&$.*$).*/\1/'` is how the codecs are found Mar 16 09:26:31 nasty Mar 16 09:36:18 hm.. that didn't do the trick. Mar 16 09:36:23 root@fic-gta01:~$ mplayer -ac help | grep ffvorbis Mar 16 09:36:26 ffvorbis ffmpeg working FFmpeg Vorbis decoder [vorbis] Mar 16 09:41:58 pH5: -ac help always lists all possible codecs even if they arent built in Mar 16 09:42:52 XorA: Strange. But it is selected to play my ogg files, too. Mar 16 09:43:00 arse Mar 16 09:44:48 ah wait, that sed doesnt strip the _decoder bit Mar 16 09:45:01 oggvorbis_decoder vorbis_decoder both come out of it Mar 16 09:47:01 looking again I think it might be the --disable-decoder=vorbis_decoder Mar 16 09:48:33 XorA: oggvorbis_decoder, rather. I'll try again. Mar 16 09:49:00 pH5: oggvorbis uses libvorbis which I think we already disable Mar 16 09:55:54 * XorA persuades Neo to boot Mar 16 09:55:54 You are right, of course. --disable-decoder=oggvorbis_decoder has no effect. Mar 16 09:56:05 But vorbis_decoder has: http://en.pastebin.ca/397183 Mar 16 09:56:17 libavcodec/libavcodec.a(vorbis_enc.o): In function `cb_lookup_vals': Mar 16 09:56:17 | /home/gg/zaurus/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/mplayer-0.0+1.0rc1-r8/MPlayer-1.0rc1/libavcodec/vorbis_enc.c:177: undefined reference to `ff_vorbis_nth_root'| libavcodec/libavcodec.a(vorbis_enc.o): In function `ready_codebook': Mar 16 09:56:19 shit Mar 16 09:57:24 so just disable vorbis_encoder, too? Mar 16 09:57:31 pH5: what Im trying Mar 16 09:58:11 * XorA needs a quiet week to debianise this machine Mar 16 09:59:34 NOTE: package mplayer-0.0+1.0rc1: completed Mar 16 09:59:59 hm, hm.. very good, that should be it. Mar 16 10:02:10 yes! Mar 16 10:02:15 Forced audio codec: ffvorbis Mar 16 10:02:18 Cannot find codec 'vorbis' in libavcodec... Mar 16 10:02:39 bastards Mar 16 10:03:00 no, that's my fault (-ac ffvorbis). without -ac it uses vorbis just fine. Mar 16 10:06:24 Hi all, can anyone help me with the information of the release of OpenMoko scheduled in March 2007? Mar 16 10:06:32 pH5: yay Mar 16 10:06:45 * pH5 oe push Mar 16 10:06:53 pH5: cheers for doing that Mar 16 10:07:12 I had put the same query yesterday, but unfortunately I had missed out the responses, due to the crash of my PC Mar 16 10:07:21 XorA: thanks for deciphering those mplayer config/makefiles :) Mar 16 10:07:35 pH5: I got used to it over the years Mar 16 10:08:52 Hi all, can anyone help me with the information of the release of OpenMoko scheduled in March 2007? Mar 16 10:08:55 I had put the same query yesterday, but unfortunately I had missed out the responses, due to the crash of my PC Mar 16 10:09:09 sureshkumar: wiki.openmoko.org Mar 16 10:09:19 thanx Mar 16 10:12:06 XorA: I haven't find any info regarding the release dates. Can you help me with some more precised link Mar 16 10:12:24 sureshkumar: thats because there isnt any Mar 16 10:13:59 but i remember that yesterday someone had provided me the link where I can see the information regarding the release dates Mar 16 10:14:14 counter Mar 16 10:14:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks, 2 days 01:45:45 (16.073 +-7.0 days) (550) Mar 16 10:15:46 in an interview on the german ccc express radio, Harald mentioned first week of april as a likely date for P1 Mar 16 10:16:45 ok. thanks for the info Mar 16 10:17:32 aloril: Can you help me in getting the counter information for the release? I mean how can I get that info "P1: 2 weeks, 2 days 01:45:45 (16.073 +-7.0 days) (550)" Mar 16 10:19:57 Nice to see the counter have accuracy down to the second and an error bar of +/- 7 days :) Mar 16 10:20:33 Can you help me in getting the counter information for the release? I mean how can I get that info "P1: 2 weeks, 2 days 01:45:45 (16.073 +-7.0 days) (550)" Mar 16 10:22:19 Can anyone help me in getting the counter information for the release? I mean how can I get that info "P1: 2 weeks, 2 days 01:45:45 (16.073 +-7.0 days) (550)" Mar 16 10:22:34 Dunno where it comes from, I'm afraid Mar 16 10:22:35 sureshkumar: what do you mean? You already have the information. Mar 16 10:23:25 I agree that I have this information for now Mar 16 10:24:08 Instead of asking in this room, may be I would keep an eye on this, for verifying an delay or not. Mar 16 10:25:10 sureshkumar: maybe subscribe to the announce mailing list on lists.openmoko.org Mar 16 10:25:14 Just learning on how we can check this so that I can have an idea of these small things Mar 16 10:37:18 Heya, everyone. Mar 16 10:37:30 I'm trying to get my own openmoko image running from SD... Mar 16 10:37:50 ...is there binary of kernel and binary of root filesystem available somewhere? Mar 16 10:37:55 ...I do not feel like compiling everything just yet... Mar 16 10:39:00 pavelm: buildhost.openmoko.org Mar 16 10:46:03 rtp: Thanks. Mar 16 10:46:43 pavelm: or ask alphaone to share his kernel binary. I think the ones in the buildhost might not have s3cmci compiled in. Mar 16 10:48:09 mickeylbbl: you said that P1 wll ship with tested GPS: do you mean that hardware is tested or do mean that agpsd will work? Mar 16 10:51:09 ph5: What is s3cmci? Mar 16 10:51:41 ph5: I think I'll just get it booting first, then play with different binaries. Mar 16 10:52:44 pavelm: it's the mmc/sd driver for the s3c2410's controller. Mar 16 10:53:25 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Booting_from_SD]] Mar 16 10:53:45 pavelm: Just a sec Mar 16 10:53:47 ph5: Ok, that sounds useful for booting from SD :-) Mar 16 10:54:17 pavelm: Yeah, it really is :-) Mar 16 10:55:58 pavelm: http://thebe.totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openmoko/uImage-with-sd Mar 16 10:57:15 alphaone: Thanks... (if you'd generated image with ppp support, that would be very useful, too :-) Mar 16 11:03:38 ...kernel booted -- so far so good, but then I learn that it can't switch card to high-speed mode. It detects partitions okay... but then refuses to mount it. Mar 16 11:05:33 pavelm: It is there as module Mar 16 11:05:42 I'll copy them, too Mar 16 11:05:53 hmm Mar 16 11:06:03 Never had that problem here.. Mar 16 11:06:20 pavelm: Are you using the provided SanDisk SD cars? Mar 16 11:06:28 s/rs/rd/ Mar 16 11:06:28 alphaone meant: pavelm: Are you using the provided SanDisk SD card? Mar 16 11:09:29 I guess I should check bootloader commandline. Mar 16 11:10:48 alphaone: Using provided SD card, just did mke2fs /dev/mmc1 Mar 16 11:12:40 ...i wonder if I should have done mke_3_fs? Mar 16 11:16:13 pavelm: mke2fs -j Mar 16 11:16:13 yep. ext3 works, ext2 does not. Mar 16 11:16:42 pavelm: Right, ext2 is modular in the defconfig Mar 16 11:16:57 pavelm: http://thebe.totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openmoko/modules-2.6.20.2-moko8.tar.bz2 Mar 16 11:17:53 ...I got oops during boot, but it sems to continue. Mar 16 11:18:38 what does it say? Mar 16 11:19:04 ...it said it in _very small_ font, then scrolled away. It was initial "long" boot. Mar 16 11:19:50 uff... latest image of the day no longer includes rxvt in menu :-( Mar 16 11:20:24 hmm.. werner's "stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts" trick for bug 256 has an effect here, too. Mar 16 11:20:45 It still hangs, but now I can see the (garbled) interpreter ready message sometimes. Mar 16 11:21:05 Oops is in bluetooth. Are you interested? Mar 16 11:22:06 ...strange, openmoko dialer failed at first launch attempt, now it works? Mar 16 11:22:26 pavelm: first launch doesn't show the gui, it says that on stdout. Mar 16 11:22:44 ph5: ok.. Mar 16 11:23:02 ph5: unfortunately the dialer does not really work. Mar 16 11:24:30 pavelm: I will start to worry about that when I either find a way to communicate with the gsm modem in my p0 device or after the start of p1 :) Mar 16 11:25:14 ph5: I followed the "do the calls manually" steps, and it seems to work. Mar 16 11:45:17 bye for now... will play with ppp on openmoko Mar 16 11:53:25 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Booting_from_SD]] Mar 16 12:00:11 good morning Mar 16 12:00:22 :) Mar 16 12:00:31 hi florian Mar 16 12:05:54 pH5: so what are the conclusions on CPU use with vorbis? Mar 16 12:06:15 SpeedEvil: 23% on a 200Mhz Neo Mar 16 12:06:24 Bitrate?> Mar 16 12:06:40 How does that compare with mp3? Mar 16 12:06:42 160Kbits Mar 16 12:06:49 SpeedEvil: about the same Mar 16 12:07:22 and h264? =) Mar 16 12:07:38 Be lovely if it could get to 6% - but that's probably not happening. Mar 16 12:08:02 h264 wont even play on my 500Mhz px Mar 16 12:08:03 a Mar 16 12:08:19 linux codecs for it seem to suck just now Mar 16 12:08:50 and they wont ever suck good enough on such a machinee Mar 16 12:09:31 * SpeedEvil has a PII/300 ATM, as his main machine. (spends most time using) Mar 16 12:10:15 SpeedEvil: You a masochist? ;) Mar 16 12:10:16 The problem is upgrading is _expensive_ to a comparable machine. (1.1Kg, 6 hour battery life) Mar 16 12:10:21 * XorA misses the days when 233 was the norm. 300 was a super beast Mar 16 12:10:32 SpeedEvil: libretto? Mar 16 12:10:41 Toshiba Portege 3110CT. Mar 16 12:10:47 It diddn't start out with wireless. Mar 16 12:10:54 * XorA remebers them, nice and small Mar 16 12:11:16 and the screen is 2", right? Mar 16 12:11:25 10" :) Mar 16 12:11:31 Actually - 10.9 Mar 16 12:11:59 However, it's light enough to hold like a book, which is a big plus. Mar 16 12:13:07 What about the Q2010 or what they're called? Seems nice too Mar 16 12:14:19 Not exactly cheap though. Mar 16 12:14:54 Unfortunately.. :( Mar 16 12:15:15 And battery life on the 6 cell battery sucks compared to what I have. Mar 16 12:15:22 (re-celled of course) Mar 16 12:29:08 hi all Mar 16 12:29:22 has openmoko already released and open their code? Mar 16 12:29:23 Zenton: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 16 12:30:02 Zenton: They sure have, I recommend using the MokoMakefile Mar 16 12:30:12 Look in the wiki for that too :) Mar 16 12:30:59 thanks CM. I am looking at the wiki right now :) Mar 16 12:53:25 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Summer_of_code]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Mar 16 13:48:25 openmoko: 03laforge * r1388 10/trunk/oe/packages/ipkg/files/is-processing.patch: add new is-processing.patch from Ken Zhao Mar 16 13:53:25 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Summer_of_code]] [[Wishlist:Location_based_reminders]] [[User:Ajturner]] Mar 16 14:08:09 dammit, got bitten by a prototype... not a neo1973 though ;) Mar 16 14:08:37 Stephmw: carniverous Neos worry me Mar 16 14:08:51 It is an alternative power source. Mar 16 14:09:55 * XorA remebers not to sleep Mar 16 14:11:06 Furrygate 1: http://img.7chan.org/fur/src/117404519645.png Mar 16 14:11:08 oops Mar 16 14:11:19 (worksafe though) Mar 16 14:12:17 SpeedEvil: Fords stupid gateway gave me this: "Access denied by WebWasher DynaBLocator content category. The requested URL belongs to the following category: Pornography." ;) Mar 16 14:12:39 It is actually completely worksafe. Mar 16 14:12:48 The site it is on is completely work-unsafe though. Mar 16 14:13:15 Well, Ford blocked that v12 boat engine with the reason "Extreme" Mar 16 14:15:44 SpeedEvil: you dodgy 7chan reader Mar 16 14:35:01 CM: haha Mar 16 14:45:08 Moo^^^: :P ;) Mar 16 14:45:43 ~v12 Mar 16 14:45:48 somebody said v12 was the next must-have in the Neo1973, http://www.ultimatestupidity.com/pics/1/diesel/ Mar 16 14:45:48 luckily your corporate IT deparment knows what's safe for you - it would be pity if unmoral workers surf around bad sites or irc during worktime ;) Mar 16 14:45:58 That page.. Mar 16 14:46:31 At least they haven't blocked google reader and youtube.. Mar 16 14:46:55 How am I supposed to be a productive developer without them.. ;) Mar 16 14:46:58 CM: you are .se? Mar 16 14:47:07 I thought you were US Mar 16 14:47:10 well Mar 16 14:47:34 Yes, but consulting at Volvo Cars, that's owned by Ford Mar 16 14:47:37 * Moo^^^ blasts Sweden to DRM DMCA censorshipage Mar 16 14:47:41