**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 19 02:59:57 2007 Mar 19 03:20:12 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1399 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/ (6 files in 2 dirs): add dbus message send function Mar 19 03:24:52 not seen this link here yet: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/18#20070318-one_week_of_taipeh Mar 19 03:45:45 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1400 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-taskmanager/src/callbacks.c: add dbus send function Mar 19 03:53:41 openmoko: 03tony_guan * r1401 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (4 files): talking window display/dtmf input box/dialer autocomplete. Mar 19 03:56:13 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Mar 19 04:40:33 guys has something changed or am i making a mistake. Why i am getting this error during make openmoko-devel-image using mokomakefile http://pastebin.ca/401167 Mar 19 04:46:00 the file http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1331_.tar.gz doesn't exist, so maybe the bb file is wrong Mar 19 04:47:19 http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1193_.tar.gz is there, so maybe it's the new one Mar 19 04:47:36 that or http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel__now.tar.gz Mar 19 04:47:39 is all there is atm :) Mar 19 04:57:02 hmm Mar 19 04:58:29 "tui now can call on openmoko": http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/36076.html Mar 19 04:58:42 MacNorth that url normally fails... it rhould fetch svn then Mar 19 05:00:23 yeah, i'm seeing it now Mar 19 05:00:41 looks like the gta01-kernel-2.6-moko8-r1_0_1331_0 should be removed and invoke make again Mar 19 05:01:14 how can i report bug for mokomakefile Mar 19 05:01:24 rwhitby is not here atm Mar 19 05:05:44 i don't think it's a bug, just a glitch Mar 19 05:07:27 "PyMoko python-openmoko (python for openmoko project)" http://www.vivekkhurana.com/pymoko/2007/03/17/what-is-pymoko/ Mar 19 05:07:32 try removing the dir build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-linux/gta01-kernel-2.6-moko8-r1_0_1331_0/ Mar 19 05:09:18 man how the hell you find that link ? Mar 19 05:09:26 i ahve not publicized it at all Mar 19 05:09:40 just created it two days aga Mar 19 05:09:54 * empty_mind watches aloril with wonder Mar 19 05:12:23 google alerts baby! Mar 19 05:12:34 empty_mind: google blog search Mar 19 05:13:13 hmm Mar 19 05:13:36 anyways, this blog will keep an updated report of development of pyhton portig on opnmoko Mar 19 05:14:01 sorry guys my keyboard is frapped, so i am missing some stroks Mar 19 05:14:21 you should try this trick: http://xkcd.com/c237.html Mar 19 05:16:09 MacNorth: tried it, no use Mar 19 05:17:27 i've seen the "svn: Cannot replace a directory from within" error once or twice in here, but i can't remember the fix :-\ Mar 19 05:23:00 MacNorth: normal fix is do make clean-package- where foo is the package name. Then do make all Mar 19 05:23:27 but the svn error persists? Mar 19 05:24:05 MacNorth: in my case yes Mar 19 05:26:31 MacNorth: would you like to try this http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070318 Mar 19 05:27:06 i'd be worried about being observed Mar 19 05:35:20 hello everyone..while building the openmoki-devel-image i am getting the following error http://pastebin.ca/401223 Mar 19 05:40:09 Sup3rkiddo: Haven't seen that one before, I'll try to build now and see if I get it Mar 19 05:40:42 CM: thanks :)...i am using MokoMakefile fyi Mar 19 05:41:21 Same here, parsing the bitbake files now. Mar 19 05:43:18 CM: while parsing it skipped some 188 files...is that normal..first time playing with openmoko.. Mar 19 05:45:00 Sup3rkiddo: looks like issues with your neon library. try to recompile svn by hand (using external neon) and try again Mar 19 05:45:44 unmadindu: hi there....neon?..hmm Mar 19 05:48:35 I am using gentoo btw...must have messed some use flags Mar 19 05:53:48 Sup3rkiddo: You'll probably get stuck on a perl issue later on too if you get past this neon thing. Look at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1988 comment 5 and 6 :) Mar 19 05:54:03 * CM is on ~amd64 Mar 19 05:54:23 lol...bad day then Mar 19 05:54:44 Well, the image just finished building here Mar 19 05:55:09 CM: well, i have an amd xp 2000+, so no issues there Mar 19 05:58:35 CM: does bitcake skip some files for you? Mar 19 05:58:50 Only when i re-run it Mar 19 05:59:25 So yes, it does not rebuild things that are already up to date Mar 19 06:00:08 CM: yes...but i remember it didnt parse some files during the initial build as well Mar 19 06:00:54 Have you done a: make update-makefile; make update ;make setup Mar 19 06:01:40 CM: no..only make update..i will try oing that.. Mar 19 06:12:44 guys, any comments on the proposed Gstreamer OpenMoko integration ? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-March/000710.html Mar 19 06:13:00 looks like google releasing mobile phone with linux Mar 19 06:13:55 sumasuma: yaa have a look at http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070318 Mar 19 06:14:00 sumasuma: saw userfriendly? :P Mar 19 06:15:06 yes Mar 19 06:15:10 unmadindu: are you doing something in there? Mar 19 06:15:14 good for catroon Mar 19 06:15:17 *cartoon Mar 19 06:15:26 Sup3rkiddo: a proposal at present Mar 19 06:15:35 unmadindu: kewl.. Mar 19 06:16:15 i have no hope of making a image build with MokoMakefile Mar 19 06:16:54 Sup3rkiddo: you can successfully build image with MokoMakefile ? Mar 19 06:17:06 or any other alternatives tried ? Mar 19 06:17:32 sumasuma: nope..2nd try..left overnight and went kaput...try updating the Makefile...make update-make Mar 19 06:17:40 sumasuma: nope..2nd try..left overnight and went kaput...try updating the Makefile...make update-makefile Mar 19 06:17:55 worked ? Mar 19 06:18:04 or still updating ? Mar 19 06:18:52 well guys first build of openmoko takes about 3-4 days, then you are versed with all workarounds. So be patient ;-) Mar 19 06:19:14 | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-demo: Mar 19 06:19:14 | mplayer Mar 19 06:19:14 this bug still existed. Mar 19 06:19:20 empty_mind: i don't mind even a week, if it builds, but it breaks and sleep :) Mar 19 06:19:28 sumasuma: still going on mate Mar 19 06:19:46 sumasuma: naa it will build, most of us have built it Mar 19 06:19:51 ha ha Mar 19 06:20:21 empty_mind: you are wrong somewhere, it goes without problem, then ok, but what happens when there is a problem ? Mar 19 06:21:03 empty_mind: i don't want to lie or degrade MokoMakefile or openmoko, but it is the pits from my side Mar 19 06:22:20 i don't want others also to loose their time, i prefer to update in the wiki until it works Mar 19 06:22:40 sumasuma: well if you are using gentoo you wouldn say that :P Mar 19 06:22:52 i'm using fedora core 6 :) Mar 19 06:23:06 i got the suggestion from here that it worked fine for someone here Mar 19 06:23:36 sumasuma: dunno...but maybe post your error messages somewhere Mar 19 06:24:17 Sup3rkiddo: http://pastebin.ca/401064 , i will also point this in the wiki Mar 19 06:25:06 sumasuma: i fail to see that problem there Mar 19 06:25:25 Sup3rkiddo: where ? Mar 19 06:25:41 sumasuma: in the pastebin you gave me Mar 19 06:25:43 Sup3rkiddo: you say there is no problem in the build ? Mar 19 06:26:01 one moment Mar 19 06:26:25 pastebin Mar 19 06:26:42 http://pastebin.ca/401054 Mar 19 06:26:50 this is the correct one Mar 19 06:26:55 sorry for the confusion above Mar 19 06:27:58 sumasuma: np..i had this in the morning....i then updated the makefile and all is well... Mar 19 06:28:19 i did that magic too Mar 19 06:28:24 nothing worked Mar 19 06:28:29 ended up with the same error Mar 19 06:28:29 sumasuma: http://pastebin.ca/401223 Mar 19 06:28:38 sumasuma: thats mine Mar 19 06:29:24 that problem is due to the ssl verification error Mar 19 06:29:34 Sup3rkiddo: sumasuma thats normal. Some one would have moved or updated the file and mokomakefile is yet to be updated Mar 19 06:29:37 i think you did not accept the SSL certificate Mar 19 06:29:49 remember its still sunday night in some parts of the world Mar 19 06:30:22 sumasuma: i dunno...recompiled neon and svn and soleved it... Mar 19 06:31:05 empty_mind: when others say it is working for them and not working for me :( Mar 19 06:31:26 it not working for everyone i accept it is sunday night :) Mar 19 06:34:13 sumasuma: You must have some old file or so.. I think +svnnow is removed Mar 19 06:35:18 I rebuilt the image this morning, and it worked fine Mar 19 06:39:26 empty_mind: 9 gigs is enough for the build? right Mar 19 06:39:39 mine took 11 gigs Mar 19 06:40:53 empty_mind: the wiki says 7 gigs... Mar 19 06:47:33 openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1402 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c main.c main.h): Mar 19 06:47:33 openmoko: Store folder names to file foldersdb fixed. Mar 19 06:47:33 openmoko: Initialize to "Inbox" folder in filter menu to fix the bug: "Filter Mar 19 06:47:33 openmoko: Menu" by default will crash while clicking on the scroll bar. Mar 19 06:47:33 openmoko: Remove some unuseful debug information. Mar 19 06:49:24 * CM checks the size of /home/moko/* Mar 19 06:51:54 Definitely lots of files.. du -s has been running for 4 minutes now Mar 19 06:52:03 its 9.0G openmoko/ Mar 19 06:52:31 CM: yes, doing all junky works, i don't know whether it is needed for end users Mar 19 06:53:00 http://pastebin.ca/401278 Mar 19 06:53:35 on ext3 at least... it can differ when you have another blocksize or fstype Mar 19 06:54:19 So 9.7GB for me on reiserfs Mar 19 06:54:33 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1403 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Mar 19 06:54:33 openmoko: 1. After initialization, the appmanager will display the installed Mar 19 06:54:33 openmoko: packages list. Mar 19 06:54:33 openmoko: 2. After install/remove/upgrade packages, the appmanager will Mar 19 06:54:33 openmoko: refresh all package list. Mar 19 06:54:49 But I can have some cruft laying around, and i have a few finished builds Mar 19 07:19:23 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1404 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/ (package-list.c tool-box.c): Mar 19 07:19:23 openmoko: Show the installed package list after install, remove or upgrade Mar 19 07:19:23 openmoko: packages. Mar 19 07:34:21 FATAL: oe_libinstall: unable to locate shared library Mar 19 07:34:36 mokomakefile fails at this point, building for x86 Mar 19 07:41:14 different people, different points Mar 19 07:51:05 guaqua: got a full pastebin? Mar 19 07:55:28 i think i found the error Mar 19 07:55:50 i'll put it in a pastebin when this run terminates Mar 19 07:56:17 do you want the full output or just stuff around the failing part? Mar 19 07:57:33 rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/401310 Mar 19 07:58:35 guaqua: I need a full log of you doing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Reporting_Problems Mar 19 07:59:40 ("make clean-package-libelf" being the value for in this instance) Mar 19 07:59:59 libelf in this case, i'll do that Mar 19 08:00:52 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1405 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (ChangeLog src/detail-area.c): Set unable writing attribute to the detail area Mar 19 08:01:27 * guaqua is now wishing for a faster computer Mar 19 08:02:27 i'll redo this whole process now. it will take a day. Mar 19 08:02:30 more tomorrow Mar 19 08:38:17 rwhitby: I'm just executing mokomakefile, for the past 48 hours, no luck installing Mar 19 08:38:55 rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/401054 <--- this is the one i'm getting all the time Mar 19 08:39:29 also, make file need to check for svn failure and try to run again, most of the times when i run the second time the errors get solved Mar 19 08:39:45 this one have run for more then 20 times, still nothing worked Mar 19 08:41:16 anyone have prebuilt binaries for i686 platform, please kindly let me know Mar 19 08:41:24 for fc6 Mar 19 09:49:25 openmoko: 03thomas * r1406 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/ (4 files): * Add openmoko today icons to the theme Mar 19 10:43:53 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Mar 19 10:54:40 do we ahve any packaging mechanism for installing softwares on openmoko ? Mar 19 10:57:43 empty_mind: yes. ipkg Mar 19 10:57:58 hrw, ok Mar 19 10:58:23 hrw, anyone planning to port apt to openmoko ? apt for ipkg i mean Mar 19 10:58:45 ipkg is dpkg+apt in one Mar 19 10:59:00 hrw cool Mar 19 10:59:03 I do now know will ipkg or dpkg+apt be used Mar 19 11:43:53 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] Mar 19 11:45:02 aloril: create wikibot for it... Mar 19 11:48:32 hrw: not sure what you mean, do you mean use IRC to edit Wiki by making wikibot or something else? Mar 19 11:49:44 aloril, how do you get these updates? Mar 19 11:49:49 aloril: second irc user. so your own talks will be split from scripts output Mar 19 11:59:49 hrw: ah Mar 19 12:00:06 empty_mind: script which load recentchanges once/h Mar 19 12:03:38 rwhitby: re libelf build failure guaqua has - I had the same and it appears that make was run without the --enable-shared option. After running it by hand MokoMakefile continued without any complaints. Mar 19 12:05:10 abraxa_: which OS/platform? it works here on debian etch 32 bit x86. Mar 19 12:05:32 Gentoo 32bit x86 Mar 19 12:06:13 I guess that's the thing with Gentoo - you never know just how each individual Gentoo installation is configured, which makes repeatability hard. Mar 19 12:06:35 gentoo is distro which many people refuse to support Mar 19 12:07:10 and this is sad.. Mar 19 12:07:30 abraxa_: anyway, since libelf is standard OE, you should submit a bug report to the OE bugzilla. Mar 19 12:07:49 hrw: I'll probably do that once I convert it from xchat script to something else (or I could create account for just this, but I prefer former approach) Mar 19 12:07:50 DenisBY: sad? each gentoo installation is different Mar 19 12:07:50 DenisBY: only sad for those who use Gentoo ;-) Mar 19 12:07:58 It surprises me however... if the --enable-shared option would be amiss (and it seems to be, judging by the .bb recipe), wouldn't that mean it works on none of the other platforms also? Mar 19 12:08:14 rwhitby, yeah. and I'm one of them... :) Mar 19 12:08:16 abraxa_: works here on Debian Etch and CentOS 4. Mar 19 12:08:30 That's what stumps me, quite frankly Mar 19 12:10:00 opebmoko sites down? Mar 19 12:10:44 abraxa_: from my libelf log.do_configure: "checking whether to build a shared library... yes Mar 19 12:10:45 " Mar 19 12:10:55 Interesting. Mar 19 12:11:10 Maybe it's inherited from somewhere? Mar 19 12:11:19 autoconf meets Gentoo is not easy to replicate. Mar 19 12:12:16 Sure seems that way, though I'd rather get going with OpenMoko instead of diving into Debian or any other distro ;) Mar 19 12:12:33 abraxa_: you choose your battles ... Mar 19 12:12:50 when I used to use gentoo 64bit, I had a debian chroot in my / as well, for working out when things went wierd Mar 19 12:13:07 gentoo has dchroot and debootstrap in portage so its easy to do Mar 19 12:13:23 Yeah, and I wanna be able to build OM before applying for a SoC project spot - otherwise that might be a tad risky to do, hehe Mar 19 12:14:15 XorA: I'm running the build on a gentoo chroot as well but unfortunately it's the only distro I'm really familiar with, so I don't have much of a choice atm Mar 19 12:16:21 damn I never realised 4-pole jacks in 2.5mm are so rare in the uk Mar 19 12:24:24 Just out of curiosity... why are some packages built for i486 and others for i686? Mar 19 12:36:31 Heya, everyone Mar 19 12:38:37 ...I got gprs to work on openmoko.. it is now in wiki ("Manually using GPRS". Mar 19 12:38:58 ...unfortunately my wiki skills are pretty bad... so it would be nice if someone turned it into readable page. Mar 19 12:39:14 ...repeating that result would not be bad, either. Mar 19 12:40:49 Heya Pavelm Mar 19 12:41:02 pavelm, yay Mar 19 12:43:32 :) Mar 19 12:43:45 * SpeedEvil tidies. Mar 19 12:43:53 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GPRS]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] Mar 19 12:44:56 pavelm: Did you link any of the other articles to your GRPS article? If not it'd be a good idea to do so Mar 19 12:47:20 pavelm: better? (tidied) Mar 19 12:47:36 * SpeedEvil will link other stuff Mar 19 12:57:03 pavelm: GPRS working OK? Mar 19 13:00:53 (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz RE: Crossroads Mar 19 13:01:01 hmmmm Mar 19 13:01:23 it seems that flashing http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/u-boot-gta01v3-r3_0_0_1364.bin bricked my neo Mar 19 13:01:43 koen: time to test unbricking then Mar 19 13:01:50 yep Mar 19 13:01:59 gta01v3 ??? Mar 19 13:02:02 if I can get the neo to poweron Mar 19 13:02:17 aaaah Mar 19 13:02:22 I scrolled down too far Mar 19 13:02:31 totally the wrong uboot :-) Mar 19 13:02:50 I triple checked p0 was v3 :) Mar 19 13:02:58 * koen noticed bv3 now Mar 19 13:04:39 I probably got same problem during conference Mar 19 13:04:46 we spend 2h to get neo reflashed Mar 19 13:04:50 spent Mar 19 13:05:54 * XorA has a v3 here Mar 19 13:06:15 XorA: which versions you lack? :D Mar 19 13:06:31 hrw: I only got v3, bv2, bv3 Mar 19 13:06:52 ah, same problem here Mar 19 13:06:59 missed the b during uboot-update Mar 19 13:08:19 would be great to have images/ split to v3, v4, bv3 dirs Mar 19 13:08:51 Hi, abraxa Mar 19 13:10:01 abraxa: yes, "Doing GSM manually" links to "Doing GPRS manually". Not sure what other articles should link there. Mar 19 13:10:21 I put a link from some other pages Mar 19 13:10:33 the ones that 'gsm manually' is linked from Mar 19 13:10:36 lucky you... Mar 19 13:10:53 (script) openmoko-announce: Sean Moss-Pultz [openmoko-announce] RE: Crossroads Mar 19 13:11:12 speed: Thanks! ...and yes, gprs indeed seems to work ok. Mar 19 13:11:14 That had me all excited for a few milliseconds. Mar 19 13:11:20 :) Mar 19 13:11:25 Speeds? Mar 19 13:11:38 speed: I did not torture it too badly, but it seemed okay for ssh. Mar 19 13:12:06 * SpeedEvil tries to remember when the iSCSI over GPRS guy popped up. Mar 19 13:12:38 speed: iSCSI over GPRS? You have too many trolls around here I'm afraid ;-). Mar 19 13:12:47 He seemed serious. Mar 19 13:13:34 trolls and fools appear the same Mar 19 13:13:42 'it's the ideal way to seamlessly change between access methods'... (because reading metadata at dollars a megabyte is fun!) Mar 19 13:13:43 yep, iSCSI is just silly, when you should really be using, say, fuse/sshfs Mar 19 13:14:12 he said he was out to run iscsi on the fastest AND slowest links around Mar 19 13:15:20 Ideally you want a smart agent at the far end. If you want to pull an email address from a database, you don't want to parse the database, but ask something for the record. Rather than sshfs/... Mar 19 13:15:55 yeah, sure, where applicable :) Mar 19 13:16:49 (I was half-serious on the sftp thingy, seems sensible to me for GPRS if you really want filesharing, since it's encrypted, can be compressed, works in userspace and is killable with connection drops, etc) Mar 19 13:17:43 but certainly you want to avoid needing that sort of thing Mar 19 13:17:55 sftp isn't too bad. if you need the whole file. Mar 19 13:23:31 mjr/speed: well, unlimited data plans are available here... maybe he just wants to torture iscsi code? Mar 19 13:24:00 It was more 'iSCSI is best for everything' Mar 19 13:24:04 or it seemed to be so. Mar 19 13:24:14 speed: Thanks for wiki cleanup, it certainly looks better now. Mar 19 13:24:24 np. Mar 19 13:24:52 speed: I'd expect gprs speed to be 5KB/sec... as it always is on non-EDGE links. I can try it, but that means disconnecting my network. Mar 19 13:25:16 never mind. Mar 19 13:25:24 It's not really relevant. Mar 19 13:26:35 speed: I'll do the testing when get the chance... because if there's a problem on arm<->gsm link, this kind of test should reveal it. Mar 19 13:26:49 Good point. Mar 19 13:26:55 Parity errors/... would be bad. Mar 19 13:30:48 Is there a way to force a USB port to USB 1.1? without rmmod ehci_hcd that is. Mar 19 13:31:14 (trying to measure power consumption of USB memory keys at various host rates. Mar 19 13:31:41 speed: rmmod seems like best option to me. Mar 19 13:32:00 Got drives and stuff mounted on it - oh well. Mar 19 13:32:03 * SpeedEvil shuffles. Mar 19 13:33:24 plug it into an old usb hub? Mar 19 13:33:34 nah - done the rmmod thing. Mar 19 13:36:47 9 gigs is enough for the complete build..right? Mar 19 13:38:28 Hmm - that's good - 40mA at max write speed on USB1. 200mW. Hmm. That's in the range of a very small li-ion cell if it's only needed for an hour. Mar 19 13:39:07 * SpeedEvil is pondering a tiny USB keyring thing, with a little battery, a normal and a mini USB plug. Mar 19 13:40:37 speed: micro/sd cards are very cheap these days, and you can get 1GB one. Mar 19 13:40:47 True. Mar 19 13:40:55 I'm more thinking of a convenient backup solution. Mar 19 13:41:16 MicroSD card means microSD reader + external power supply. Mar 19 13:41:49 An integrated tiny USB memory stick + battery + charger may be a good thing. Mar 19 13:43:53 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Finger_Toolbar]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[FAQ]] [[Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review]] [[Documentation]] [[Manually_using_GPRS]] Mar 19 13:45:54 speed: well, openmoko already contains microsd reader... Mar 19 13:46:33 Backing up the data on it is rather hard using only the internal reader. Mar 19 13:48:27 what's the battery for, if you excuse the ignorance? Mar 19 13:48:53 The neo's USB port has no power. Mar 19 13:48:59 You need some means of powering it. Mar 19 13:49:49 ah, entiendo Mar 19 13:54:46 Sup3rkiddo: My build takes up 9.7GB Mar 19 14:00:40 CM: oops...look like i am in trouble then Mar 19 14:03:32 use INHERIT += "rm_work" in local.conf and build size shrinks significantly Mar 19 14:04:12 XorA: I started to use that as well, should I make it default for angstrom to combat the "OMG!!! size!!" fud? Mar 19 14:04:19 Sup3rkiddo: I have a few completed builds around, but it's a bit tight with 9gb unless you follow XorA's advice ;) Mar 19 14:04:44 koen: no, as there isnt an easy way to turn it off from local.conf Mar 19 14:04:52 There are significant minorities of people out there with slow machines Mar 19 14:05:05 at least I dont remeber a -= directive Mar 19 14:05:38 XorA: INHERIT = $@{oe.filter_out(...)} Mar 19 14:05:43 SpeedEvil: is a 2 gig AMD 2ooo+ with 768 megs of RAM considered slow? Mar 19 14:06:01 * SpeedEvil looks at his Duron 1300. Mar 19 14:06:06 Probably not. :) Mar 19 14:06:13 zecke|study: out of here with you python mumbo Mar 19 14:06:15 mid-end I'd say Mar 19 14:06:25 lol..ok...removed my inferiority complex Mar 19 14:07:39 i have glibc2.5 but the makefile warns me the preferred version is 2.4...i hope no issues will arise Mar 19 14:25:06 openmoko: 03mickey * r1407 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/gsm: start gsmd in the background (workaround until it properly daemonizes) Mar 19 14:36:17 pavelm, well, I do have an unlimited data plan too, but I still wouldn't use iSCSI ;) Mar 19 14:37:25 for the openstreetmap people: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=188&aid=492&group_id=29 Mar 19 14:40:23 koen: cool! now if only osm had a map for my city... Mar 19 14:40:35 Is there a gmaps type browser for osm? Mar 19 14:40:44 yes Mar 19 14:40:50 on the openstreetmap page :) Mar 19 14:41:24 mjr: _noone_ wants to use iscsi over gprs. It is going to be extremely slow because of gprs 1sec latency. Mar 19 14:42:07 1 sec latency? Mar 19 14:42:34 I guess my imported asian electrons lowered my gprs ping Mar 19 14:42:42 SpeedEvil: http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html Mar 19 14:43:24 koen: Ok, something between 0.5sec and 1sec. Mar 19 14:43:52 * SpeedEvil lives in a 'here be dragons' area. Mar 19 14:44:05 Though there is a road within 5 miles. Mar 19 14:44:47 Annoyingly, I just lost several tens of megs of GPS logs I could have contributed. Mar 19 14:45:32 OTOH - OSM tiles compress much better than gmaps! Mar 19 14:45:53 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Summer_of_code]] Mar 19 14:46:13 pH5: did you have any luck with pygtk? Mar 19 14:46:30 zecke|study: I know what went wrong. Mar 19 14:47:11 pygtk 2.10 obviously doesn't support gtk 2.6, but it doesn't say that loud and clear during configure Mar 19 14:48:04 * koen reads http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Making_the_nestoria_tiles Mar 19 14:53:16 pH5: lol Mar 19 14:54:16 pH5: hmm, http://live.gnome.org/PyGTK/WhatsNew28#head-9086d011479cb9c977b3e0f5da0aa5bc38ff72bb I need to make sure that c'tors will work with PyGtk2.6 Mar 19 14:54:33 pH5: or I need to look into making PyGtk2.10 work with Gtk2.6 Mar 19 14:59:12 zecke|study: from this link it sounds like they work since 2.6. will you add pygtk-2.6 to OE if they do? Mar 19 15:00:10 Anyone have a clue how I go from NMEA to GPX to upload to OSM? Mar 19 15:00:55 SpeedEvil: gpsbabel? Mar 19 15:00:57 SpeedEvil: gpsbabel Mar 19 15:01:22 * SpeedEvil goes to look. Mar 19 15:08:19 tag Mar 19 15:11:14 I can't seem to find a way to take existing NMEA logs and output gpx. Oh well. I'll look at it later. Mar 19 15:19:46 SpeedEvil: gpsbabel -i nmea -o gpx -f route.nmea -F route.gpx Mar 19 15:22:38 wiki not working? Mar 19 15:32:27 openmoko: 03thomas * r1408 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): * src/today-main.c: Use MokoPixmapButton for launchers Mar 19 15:37:26 Bye for now... and good luck with gpsbabel. Mar 19 15:51:35 pH5: Thanks! Mar 19 16:09:22 * SpeedEvil uploads (slowly) some track logs. Mar 19 16:10:26 dang...build failing at perl-native asm/page.h not found...where do i whine.. Mar 19 16:10:53 Sup3rkiddo: do you have a device? Mar 19 16:10:53 nearfar: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 19 16:11:39 nearfar: no man...setting up the build environment, playing with it for 2 days Mar 19 16:12:23 how can India developers buy a device? Mar 19 16:12:36 "Late March for developers" -- from where? Mar 19 16:12:45 from FIC Mar 19 16:13:35 ah well. I wish I could get one here. Mar 19 16:14:05 you can, FIC will ship world-wide once phase-1 phones become available Mar 19 16:14:25 ok. end of March then. Mar 19 16:14:46 best-case scenario. there have been a lot of delays :-\ Mar 19 16:14:55 w00t! there is python-openmoko. Mar 19 16:15:03 can't wait to hack on scheme-openmoko Mar 19 16:15:12 MacNorth: ok Mar 19 16:15:17 nearfar: lol...its us empty-mind and myself doing ti Mar 19 16:15:44 nearfar: well atleats empty-mind started it and i am with him Mar 19 16:16:01 Sup3rkiddo: Vivek? Mar 19 16:16:08 nearfar: yup Mar 19 16:17:13 nearfar: http://www.vivekkhurana.com/pymoko/2007/03/19/preparing-for-takeoff/ Mar 19 16:18:41 cool Mar 19 16:18:55 I would be interested. Mar 19 16:19:06 nearfar: cool man...would be awesome Mar 19 16:19:14 nearfar: pm? Mar 19 16:19:19 sure Mar 19 16:19:40 * koen still hasn't seen anything actually being done at the gforge java and python projects Mar 19 16:20:30 it would be nice if people actually had something before creating a project Mar 19 16:20:38 Mar 19 16:21:42 you mean like a phone ;-) Mar 19 16:22:26 MacNorth: openmoko always had a phone like thing :-) Mar 19 16:22:32 koen: once we get this build on our machines...;) Mar 19 16:22:35 Hello. Mar 19 16:22:54 yes, but few people have a neo. hardware before rants :) Mar 19 16:23:20 Sup3rkiddo: so you still have nothing Mar 19 16:23:55 * koen hails zecke|study for actually having done python bindings Mar 19 16:24:05 koen: nope not yet..there was some confusion regarding the naming of projects...well my boss will prolly be a better person to tell that ;) Mar 19 16:29:58 openmoko: 03thomas * r1409 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/src/ (contacts-gtk.c contacts-gtk.h): * Remove unused files from openmoko-contacts Mar 19 16:30:02 koen|away: hehe Mar 19 16:35:40 zecke|study: NOTE: package python-pygtk2-2.6.3-ml0: task do_build: completed Mar 19 16:35:48 those packages one look much better Mar 19 16:36:00 ~hail ph5 Mar 19 16:36:36 one more hour and I stop studying for today :} Mar 19 16:36:53 zecke|study: well shooo..go study Mar 19 16:54:31 ah, unbricked my neo Mar 19 16:54:44 turns out my FPC is flaky Mar 19 16:56:30 koen: how did you do it? i missed the "b" as well... Mar 19 16:57:15 I download devirginator Mar 19 16:57:25 and tried to use that Mar 19 16:57:34 and it worked? Mar 19 16:57:38 no Mar 19 16:58:03 The FPC connectors are rated at 20 insertions. Mar 19 16:58:07 They get flaky fast. Mar 19 16:58:08 I ended up using a heavily edited ocd scipt Mar 19 16:58:27 SpeedEvil: mine got flaky after 1 insertion Mar 19 16:58:35 (and being shipped via dhl) Mar 19 16:58:44 ouch Mar 19 16:58:45 hmmm... could you send me you ocd script? Mar 19 16:58:48 openmoko: 03mickey * r1410 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/gsm: fix yet another typo in gsmd start script Mar 19 16:58:50 that's where i'm stuck... Mar 19 16:59:00 device won't stay powered on long enough Mar 19 17:03:21 openmoko: 03thomas * r1411 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Mar 19 17:03:21 openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c: (contacts_added_cb), Mar 19 17:03:21 openmoko: (contacts_changed_cb): Move update listview and update groups to Mar 19 17:03:21 openmoko: sequence-complete callback. Fixes a bug were groups list menu was never Mar 19 17:03:21 openmoko: initialised when there were no groups defined. Mar 19 17:03:25 openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (contacts_ui_create): Stop using nested functions Mar 19 17:11:08 * koen reopens #125 Mar 19 17:23:51 hi Mar 19 17:24:25 koen: you are finally back? Mar 19 17:29:39 mickeyl: ah my poor victim woke up :} Mar 19 17:29:52 please no questions ;) Mar 19 17:30:03