**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 23 02:59:56 2007 Mar 23 03:32:39 heh http://www.stewdio.org/windmaker/ Mar 23 03:42:36 I try to do rsync fic@buildhost.openmoko.org:deploy/ and openmoko for the password and I get permission denied Mar 23 03:42:45 (following the directions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko) Mar 23 03:43:30 gabaug: I presume that it openmoko-internal access only Mar 23 03:43:42 rwhitby: what's with the wiki then? Mar 23 03:43:45 out of date? Mar 23 03:43:53 the wiki is used by openmoko employees too. Mar 23 03:44:42 this is not a "sanitised by the marketing department" wiki for external use only. Mar 23 03:44:49 heh, ok Mar 23 03:45:07 but you're right - it should be marked as internal use only for that rsync bit Mar 23 03:46:03 rwhitby: is there any alternative to the hours and 7 GB involved w/ your Makefile to get the latest software on the Neo and to develop for it? (eg binaries of things I don't plan on hacking on..)? Mar 23 03:46:34 my makefile takes about 1 minute to run - the rest is monotone and openembedded. Mar 23 03:47:07 if you read the MokoMakefile wiki page, there is a tip to reduce the 7GB to much less. Mar 23 03:47:30 as for the time taken, 90% of that is only done once. Mar 23 03:48:29 it's definitely kept me from getting doing much hacking...it's failed a couple times, I haven't had enough space for it others... Mar 23 03:50:03 rwhitby: so that tip for reducing space...does it still require 7GB up front, it just uses less afterward? and/or does it end up requiring a lot more CPU b/c things aren't cached? Mar 23 04:06:09 no, it cleans up each package after building. no extra cpu. Mar 23 06:25:33 counter Mar 23 06:25:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 05:34:26 (11.232 +-7.0 days) (601) Mar 23 06:37:28 His Mar 23 06:37:30 counter Mar 23 06:37:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 05:22:29 (11.224 +-7.0 days) (602) Mar 23 06:52:36 * CM sips the morning coffee Mar 23 07:21:55 CM where are you from? Mar 23 07:22:03 Mandarino: Sweden :) Mar 23 07:22:20 Nice country! Mar 23 07:22:35 Most of the time, yes ;) Mar 23 07:22:39 Mandarino: You? Mar 23 07:22:46 Spain.... Mar 23 07:22:55 Just noticed the .es Mar 23 07:23:31 :P Mar 23 07:23:56 Now we are starting the day ... Mar 23 07:54:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] Mar 23 08:04:44 guten morgen Mar 23 08:33:06 Hi all Mar 23 08:34:54 hullo :) Mar 23 08:37:02 nice to see a lot of people hanging here. It's means they already know about Moko Mar 23 08:37:47 we do :) Mar 23 08:38:04 yea so I Mar 23 08:44:29 just wont little free time to build distro & run in simulator, it always fail at oe_libinstall when I tried to "make openmoko-devel-image" Mar 23 08:44:43 & I dont have time Mar 23 08:54:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] Mar 23 09:12:43 * buz wonders about people suggesting to use a wifi SoC that wont be available until Q4 Mar 23 09:14:08 buz: wishfull thinking? Mar 23 09:14:25 more like not reading press release properly Mar 23 09:14:39 besides, the predecessor would fit the bill if one knew about the drivers Mar 23 09:15:03 hmm.. I have a low frequency buzzing noise in the left earphone speaker. Mar 23 09:15:23 it isn't influenced by any mixer setting but changes strongly depending on screen contents - interference from the lcd? Mar 23 09:29:24 morning Mar 23 09:29:28 (hrw) Mar 23 09:32:03 morning Mar 23 09:44:42 morning Mar 23 09:54:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] Mar 23 10:39:55 mornin Mar 23 10:40:14 waves Mar 23 10:43:20 hi TRIsoft Stephmw Mar 23 10:43:28 hi hrw Mar 23 10:55:08 koen|away: aha, looks like it can't parse bugzilla anymore... Mar 23 10:59:26 mickey|zzZZzz: I will flood you some more Mar 23 11:01:26 counter Mar 23 11:01:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 00:58:33 (11.041 +-7.0 days) (603) Mar 23 11:19:25 re Mar 23 11:54:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] Mar 23 11:55:06 i want my neo silver and 16GB+ memory Mar 23 11:55:24 * CM too Mar 23 11:55:48 or red and 5% of the cost donated to charity ;)' Mar 23 11:56:08 so everyone knows i care about the third world :D Mar 23 11:56:35 I'd like that buy one olpc and send one to a poor kid Mar 23 11:58:17 i think olpc as an idea is nice Mar 23 11:58:32 guaqua: you don't like the execution? Mar 23 11:58:34 as long as it works, and doesn't break down easily Mar 23 11:58:57 i don't know how to criticize the execution either Mar 23 11:59:17 i just know that the devices should be delivered straight to the ones meant to be using them Mar 23 12:00:08 otherwise half the money budgeted for the devices end up in switzerland, to secret accounts of the third world leaders Mar 23 12:00:57 CM: iirc if you want to buy olpc you have to pay for two - second is sent to poor ones Mar 23 12:01:28 hrw: That's what I meant, and heard too. Just wondering when youc an actually do that :) Mar 23 12:01:30 hmm, I can do the jtag part of devirginate, but then the DFU part doesnt work Mar 23 12:01:39 well, still hoping we can get the mesh functionality to neo version x some day :) Mar 23 12:02:16 ahah, needs to run as root Mar 23 12:05:52 hrw: that's not true Mar 23 12:06:24 hrw: you can't buy OLPCs, the olpc guys said they *might* consider going the 2-for-1 route Mar 23 12:06:51 (I talked to the OLPC dudes last week, asking the same question) Mar 23 12:07:05 koen: That's what I thought too. I hope they do that at some point at least. :) Mar 23 12:09:12 ok Mar 23 12:18:12 mickey|busy: poor boy, building the Moko rootfs is broken Mar 23 12:18:43 *shrug* Mar 23 12:18:46 works for me Mar 23 12:18:50 where does it fail for you? Mar 23 12:19:05 mickey|busy: please bump openmoko-today SRCDATE Mar 23 12:19:17 openmoko-today SRCDATE is already @ now Mar 23 12:19:20 how can i bump now? Mar 23 12:19:23 :) Mar 23 12:20:05 mickey|busy: openmoko bugs #304-#311 show other thing ;D Mar 23 12:20:55 well Mar 23 12:20:59 can't reproduce Mar 23 12:50:23 openmoko: 03mickey * r1492 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: oe/tasks: bump task-openmoko PR in a furious attempt to close #252 Mar 23 13:01:26 * CM just completed a openmoko-devel-image without any problems Mar 23 13:01:41 At least the default mokomakefile works Mar 23 13:02:11 * hrw builds all python stuff now Mar 23 13:05:09 does someone run openmoko in qemu? Mar 23 13:05:46 hrw: openmoko's buildhost-old is running debian stable Mar 23 13:05:55 hrw: so only debian stable software or backports can be installed Mar 23 13:09:59 zecke: git 1.4.4.2 comment? Mar 23 13:10:28 hrw: right Mar 23 13:10:58 zecke: bitbake git-native helps Mar 23 13:11:13 this also is in comment Mar 23 13:11:33 hrw: this is an autobuilder == no manual influence Mar 23 13:12:16 then add git-native somewhere? Mar 23 13:13:04 hrw: the nightly builds most of the time fail due network issues with some host... I think I will let stuff build at 4 o'clock to avoid this... Mar 23 13:23:10 Hello :) Mar 23 13:23:58 conter Mar 23 13:24:02 counter Mar 23 13:24:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 22:35:57 (10.942 +-7.0 days) (604) Mar 23 13:30:37 mickey|busy: can you add INHERIT += "angstrom-mirrors" to openmoko.conf, that should take care of most fetch errors Mar 23 14:09:07 Hi, any news about the release-day of Phase1? Or is it still the 1st week of april? Mar 23 14:11:44 MBitter: still around then last I heard Mar 23 14:12:25 XorA: thx Mar 23 14:12:49 MBitter: it might be first week in April on Mars though :-) Mar 23 14:13:42 lol, is it sooner or later than on earth? Mar 23 14:16:15 MBitter: I would guess the time scale on mars is slightly flexible :-) Mar 23 14:16:29 pinning down those damn martians is so damn hard Mar 23 14:20:28 waves to Liane Mar 23 14:20:35 hi marc Mar 23 14:20:56 i got your email this morning. Mar 23 14:21:22 chance to hit you up on ICQ the next days ? Mar 23 14:21:51 I called sherry's colleague and learnd that she has delayed her trip to Hannovr due to hand injury Mar 23 14:22:36 tomorrow i will go to my office, but it would be yor night time already Mar 23 14:22:49 OK, that's a reason. We should better discuss this further w/o 249 interested ppl. listening ;-) Mar 23 14:22:57 let's chat on icq now. Mar 23 14:23:10 ok Mar 23 14:23:37 hahahaha... well certaianly not harald and werner. they are still at fic when i left work. Mar 23 14:36:01 somebody recognizes this build error? Mar 23 14:36:20 ERROR: function do_stage failed Mar 23 14:36:21 ERROR: log data follows (/home/moko/build/tmp/work/i486-linux/libelf-0.8.6-r0/temp/log.do_stage.4370) Mar 23 14:36:21 | oe_libinstall: cd lib Mar 23 14:36:21 | oe_libinstall: install -d /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i486-linux/lib// Mar 23 14:36:21 | oe_libinstall: install -m 0644 libelf.a /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i486-linux/lib// Mar 23 14:36:21 | FATAL: oe_libinstall: unable to locate shared library Mar 23 14:36:48 it's the only error so far Mar 23 14:38:04 yes Mar 23 14:38:20 go to the dir, ./configure --enable-shared && make Mar 23 14:38:27 ooo tell me the trough Mar 23 14:38:38 then redo the build step where it occured in Mar 23 14:39:20 this is a rather common error. it has to do with openembedded, not directly with openmoko Mar 23 14:40:59 I understand it's comes from openembedded elflib it kinda general stuff Mar 23 14:42:12 yes Mar 23 14:49:35 thanks a lot, I hope it will work Mar 23 14:51:44 root@fic-gta01:~$ uptime Mar 23 14:51:44 14:51:45 up 3 days, 39 min, 4 users, load average: 1.06, 1.03, 1.00 Mar 23 14:51:49 pretty stable so far.... Mar 23 14:52:21 koen|lab 4 users? Mar 23 14:52:41 desktop and a remote logins Mar 23 14:53:52 * XorA deflowered a neo for first time today Mar 23 14:54:03 sounds good "there are 4 simultaneous users on my phone" Mar 23 14:57:11 koen|lab: does ANgstrom on neo look like Angstrom or openmoko? Mar 23 14:58:52 ahah, hardware battery charging seems to work on a bv2 so I can use that to recover from dead battery state Mar 23 14:59:53 XorA: there are subtle differences in the gui :) Mar 23 15:30:45 nice weekend to all you gays, happy hacking. Mar 23 15:32:10 * XorA is ready to kill Any_Key now! Mar 23 15:42:16 lol... gays Mar 23 15:45:01 It's a code name, and the things he's saying are just subtle hints for anyone interested. His true identity is Any_Gay. Mar 23 15:48:51 Rakshasa: good one Mar 23 15:49:33 so this is some sort of coming out Mar 23 15:49:39 Rakshasa: you named after the mythical creature or the ADND creature? Mar 23 15:51:20 XorA: Neither and both.. I first took the name from the game Freespace II. It's a shivan ship class designation and they were all named after mythical creatures. Mar 23 15:51:21 i guess this reveals more about XorA than it reveals about Rakshasa Mar 23 15:52:28 * abraxa_ wonders what the A in ADND stands for Mar 23 15:52:55 Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.. ? Mar 23 15:52:55 Rakshasa: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 23 15:53:00 Rakshasha means demon in Hindu Mythology Mar 23 15:55:55 * XorA chuckles, I wonder if openmoko has an ADND entry in the faq Mar 23 15:56:09 although moko-diveroller would be useful Mar 23 15:56:16 s/dive/dice/ Mar 23 15:56:18 XorA meant: although moko-diceroller would be useful Mar 23 15:56:31 Ohh, an RPG suite for OpenMoko... interesting idea :D Mar 23 15:57:07 distrubuted dnd! Mar 23 15:57:20 and nethack Mar 23 15:57:32 with the GPS we could do a dungeon bash on city streets :-) Mar 23 15:57:54 ubiquitous computing: enabling you to waste time on video games anywhere! Mar 23 15:57:58 two people get within 10m the BT fires up and their characters fight Mar 23 15:58:17 what if one character was a taoist Mar 23 15:58:36 unknown_lamer: then he can run like a little girl Mar 23 15:58:43 nonresistance does not involve running! Mar 23 15:59:10 unknown_lamer: dodgy battle axes does though Mar 23 15:59:18 dogding Mar 23 15:59:21 dodging Mar 23 16:00:56 but then you'd be reincarnated as a battle axe for killing the taoist Mar 23 16:02:48 XorA: I've actually thought (almost seriously) about that dungeon bash on city streets XD Mar 23 16:03:20 unknown_lamer: it matters little as long as I can drench myself in blood Mar 23 16:04:38 To make a single player game we'll just need to overlay the gps data with a fantasy tileset and populate the map with monsters. Then one'll be able to go adventuring in his own home town XD Mar 23 16:06:32 Rakshasa: in at least the US you could grab topo data from the net and automagically generate terrain Mar 23 16:06:45 openstreetmap. Mar 23 16:06:58 opendungeonmap.com Mar 23 16:06:59 you can get topo information from the raw GPS tracks. Mar 23 16:07:05 :-D Mar 23 16:07:05 though that does mean interpolating. Mar 23 16:07:08 Openstreetmap sounds good enough here in finland Mar 23 16:07:27 just use google maps Mar 23 16:07:35 and fixed priced gprs Mar 23 16:07:37 I found I was living in a blank in OSM. Mar 23 16:07:42 I'm now not. Mar 23 16:07:54 guaqua: the topological data is more interesting for an rpg Mar 23 16:08:12 get the terrain correct but generate a fantasy town on top of it Mar 23 16:08:55 You enter the dusty inn, the patrons all cease conversation and stare at you, Oh wait, thats half the pubs in Edin :-) Mar 23 16:12:11 There are some government funded projects here in Finland to make 'games' for gps enabled smartphones. Maybe I could apply for funding if I started making such a dungeon bash... Mar 23 16:13:27 gov'nment funding for opensource would be a first! Mar 23 16:13:43 not really Mar 23 16:13:57 * koen|lab points to NASA and their european counterparts Mar 23 16:15:02 That isn't true open source! Mar 23 16:16:07 it isn't? Mar 23 16:16:16 GPL and BSD aren't true opensource? Mar 23 16:17:12 koen|away: GPL isnt, it places restrictions on what you can do with the source :-D Mar 23 16:17:25 dam you koen|lab for logging on many times Mar 23 16:17:42 :) Mar 23 16:18:08 in fact GPLv3 is heading towards a closed source system Mar 23 16:18:20 NASA design parts and then get the cheapest contractor to make that design for them! Mar 23 16:19:43 ewanm89: i.e. order them from russian junkyards? Mar 23 16:20:50 hi, folks. i am interested in participating in the google SoC Mar 23 16:21:03 Still that is not opensource! Mar 23 16:21:43 I want to join Google Summer of Code but I have to wait till next year :( Mar 23 16:22:10 I'd like to participate SoC too. Mar 23 16:22:19 Wishlist:context based to-do list Mar 23 16:22:34 count Mar 23 16:23:30 can you folks tell me weather or not this task is taken by someone? Mar 23 16:23:30 gadnio: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 23 16:24:00 i've read the faq already Mar 23 16:26:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Text_Input <- I was thinking of making a fully customizable and localizable input package with hexinput, quikwriting and finger splash in it, and an ability to switch between them as one's typing. Am I being realistic here? Mar 23 16:26:48 And is this line of development alread overpopulated? Mar 23 16:28:41 Rakshasa: Not that I know of Mar 23 16:28:49 Either way I'd just submit an application Mar 23 16:29:20 anyone? Mar 23 16:29:38 gadnio: no-one from openmoko is here at the moment Mar 23 16:30:22 gadnio: register in GSoC Mar 23 16:30:49 gadnio: if someone else registered it then you can always choose other thing. Mar 23 16:35:18 hm what should i learn when i am new at programming? Mar 23 16:35:26 Everything! Mar 23 16:35:28 the basics Mar 23 16:35:41 i mean which language will be a good start Mar 23 16:35:43 Start with python! Mar 23 16:35:46 loufoque: visual? Mar 23 16:36:11 SpeedEvil: "basics" is an actual word, not a Microsoft trademark Mar 23 16:36:17 what would be usefull when i would develop on openmoko Mar 23 16:36:19 C? Mar 23 16:36:31 C++? Mar 23 16:36:36 loufoque: True - there is a set of languages that could be referred to as 'teh basics'. Mar 23 16:36:44 the openmoko API is only available to C at the moment Mar 23 16:36:44 C is probably a good starting point. Mar 23 16:36:47 PBeck: C to start then a smattering of C++ Mar 23 16:37:17 Start with python then move to c! Mar 23 16:37:37 PBeck: but if you just want to get some windows open and dont want to get heavy, python using pygtk and py-moko (or whatever its called) would work as well Mar 23 16:38:06 PBeck: Start with any language, after you've learnt what if..else, do..while and switch..case are and how you use them, feel free to try the different languages to find the one that suits you. That's how I started. Mar 23 16:38:23 in the end you'll want to use C, so why not learn it first... ;) Mar 23 16:38:29 is python avaible on a standard openmoko image? Mar 23 16:38:46 i have learnd python a bit ;) Mar 23 16:39:00 but my problem was i havent a project :( Mar 23 16:39:22 IIRC there is no python in the default images Mar 23 16:39:22 python is available for ARM I think Mar 23 16:39:55 * hrw built lot of python extensions today for phone Mar 23 16:40:01 when python is avaible on a standard image than it would be good to leran Mar 23 16:40:09 OMG - snakes, on a phone! Mar 23 16:40:42 PBeck: sure.. python in 64M flash.. Mar 23 16:40:58 * buz wonders about the physics engine Mar 23 16:40:58 Is there a python-lite? Mar 23 16:41:04 hrw: i mean that i dont musst install it Mar 23 16:41:17 its on the phone as standard Mar 23 16:41:26 wtf would you want a physics engine on a phone Mar 23 16:41:32 PBeck: I think that normal image will not contain any interpreted language other then posix sh Mar 23 16:41:48 IMO, awk might be a good one. Mar 23 16:41:57 there are very small ones out there, Mar 23 16:41:59 buz: add an accelerometer and make a wiimote :-P Mar 23 16:42:01 SpeedEvil: awk and sh are part of busybox Mar 23 16:42:24 hrw: hum, than it would be usefuller that i learn C? Mar 23 16:42:59 i wouldnt start with C Mar 23 16:43:04 i'd say learn python Mar 23 16:43:12 has a good tutorial Mar 23 16:43:15 PBeck: if your application will be not part of base install then it will be in feeds. all in feeds will have proper dependencies Mar 23 16:43:18 even the stock gawk is only 250K Mar 23 16:43:40 ipkg install pbeck-app-which-is-in-python-or-other will install python and other automatically Mar 23 16:44:47 CPython actually doesn't even use a JIT so it can be run anywhere Mar 23 16:44:59 hum what would be a good project to start with python Mar 23 16:45:01 I wonder why people forgot that normal distros HAVE dependencies Mar 23 16:45:21 what would be nice for openmoko Mar 23 16:45:25 what is needed ;) Mar 23 16:45:32 a small project :p Mar 23 16:45:35 a FPGA Mar 23 16:45:38 SCNR Mar 23 16:45:39 v8 Mar 23 16:45:45 ~v12 Mar 23 16:45:47 [v12] the next must-have in the Neo1973, http://www.ultimatestupidity.com/pics/1/diesel/ Mar 23 16:46:21 lol Mar 23 16:49:45 apt: wouldn't that be a bit on the heavy side to carry around? Mar 23 16:50:13 Rakshasa: apt is a bot Mar 23 16:50:20 ~botsnack Mar 23 16:50:21 :), buz Mar 23 16:50:30 ~bot Mar 23 16:50:32 I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). Mar 23 16:50:40 ~hello Mar 23 16:50:43 Howdy Bub Mar 23 16:50:47 hrhr :D Mar 23 16:50:58 ~lart apt Mar 23 16:50:58 * apt cuts off buz's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper Mar 23 16:51:08 oh its smarter than i thought ;) Mar 23 16:51:21 Darn. Every channel has got to have it's automated clown. I can't compete with 'em. =( Mar 23 16:51:28 i think the thing is called helbard though Mar 23 16:51:58 hrw: what you would write in python for openmoko? Mar 23 16:52:32 MokoNibblers of course. And pizzaworm XVIII Mar 23 16:52:44 p Mar 23 16:52:45 :p Mar 23 16:52:52 mokoworms Mar 23 16:53:06 i doubt wormux will run Mar 23 16:53:12 i hope the calculator will be cool :D Mar 23 16:53:14 that is slow even on my notebook Mar 23 16:53:24 with many features :D Mar 23 16:53:26 a graphing calc would be neat too Mar 23 16:53:38 in fact, gimme a TI89 like calc Mar 23 16:53:50 a normal and a calc with many features Mar 23 16:54:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Mar 23 16:54:17 buz: a graphical will be develop, see the mailinglist ;) Mar 23 16:54:23 ~counter Mar 23 16:54:30 graphing!=graphical Mar 23 16:54:48 oh i read to fast sorry Mar 23 16:54:53 what is a graphing calc? Mar 23 16:55:43 one that paints graphs Mar 23 16:56:59 (and no, i wont use gnuplot) Mar 23 16:57:25 buz: hm can we combine a calc with gnuplot? Mar 23 16:57:31 oh ok :) Mar 23 16:57:34 we might Mar 23 16:57:51 i dont care if gnuplot does render stuff, i just dont want to deal with its obscure CLI Mar 23 16:58:35 buz: you know a graphing calc for a linux pc, so that i can see what a graphing calc can do? Mar 23 16:59:29 not really Mar 23 16:59:36 kmplot is simple for simple graphs Mar 23 16:59:54 a Ti89 is really quite sophisticated Mar 23 17:03:20 buz: i test kmplot one moment :) Mar 23 17:06:02 is kmplot a gui for gnuplot? Mar 23 17:07:34 PBeck: no (afaik) Mar 23 17:09:27 gtg cu Mar 23 17:10:23 i think its standalone Mar 23 17:26:39 helb: ok Mar 23 17:26:43 ok buz Mar 23 17:29:20 i musst look at gnuplot once again Mar 23 17:29:22 :) Mar 23 17:36:46 I can't wait to get the neo1973 so I can use it as a remote control for my mpd server... =P Mar 23 17:38:33 Will the OpenMoko work in europe? Mar 23 17:38:34 Skrot: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 23 17:38:50 Skrot: why not? Mar 23 17:38:50 zod: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 23 17:39:52 zod: Guess it depends on which GSM band it will use or something like that Mar 23 17:40:28 Found the info ini the FAQ like the bot sugguested though Mar 23 17:41:32 it would be strange if it worked everywhere except europe Mar 23 17:41:44 okay :) Mar 23 17:43:41 quad-band is bound to work everywhere.. (possibly excluding the moon) ^^ Mar 23 17:43:57 * CoreDump|home rang his landline w/ neo once so yeah, it works well in europe =) Mar 23 17:44:08 s/moon/Moon/ Mar 23 17:44:09 Rakshasa meant: quad-band is bound to work everywhere.. (possibly excluding the Moon) ^^ Mar 23 17:44:22 i think most of the development happens in europe Mar 23 17:44:23 apt: Yep Mar 23 17:46:18 I'll start selling proof-reading services and (ab)using apt to do that. Mar 23 17:54:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Media_Player]] Mar 23 18:01:09 counter Mar 23 18:01:09 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 17:58:50 (10.749 +-7.0 days) (605) Mar 23 18:01:48 any new info from Sean about the P1 production schedule? Mar 23 18:02:55 No news is good news? Mar 23 18:04:01 hopefully Mar 23 18:07:52 No news is NEVER good news Mar 23 18:10:07 I'm really sorry they got sidetracked by the WiFi issue. Mar 23 18:10:27 IMO. Mar 23 18:10:35 I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one! Mar 23 18:10:36 I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one! Mar 23 18:10:49 I am prepared to wait for built-in WIFI. Mar 23 18:11:47 When we have metro WiFi or WiMax then WiFi on the phone will be an advantage. Mar 23 18:12:11 Wifi isn't only for constant connectivity. Mar 23 18:12:25 high bandwidth bursts, when available are also good. Mar 23 18:13:10 Right, but when the user wants to interact with his apps. then he'll need a connection. Mar 23 18:13:57 Not always. Mar 23 18:14:07 Not if I'm reading RSS feeds Mar 23 18:14:10 or /. Mar 23 18:14:19 or catching up on usenet. Mar 23 18:14:48 Even email. Mar 23 18:15:09 Granted Mar 23 18:15:31 Of course pervasive connectivity is much nicer. Mar 23 18:23:17 counter Mar 23 18:23:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 17:36:42 (10.734 +-7.0 days) (606) Mar 23 18:42:50 any hints to order dates? I feel like a 10 year old on christmas... Mar 23 18:49:37 dap: Mar 23 18:49:39 counter Mar 23 18:49:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 17:10:21 (10.716 +-7.0 days) (607) Mar 23 18:49:51 dap - That's all we know. Mar 23 18:50:46 aloril -- thanks Mar 23 18:54:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Mystifo]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Mar 23 18:59:14 aloril - I like your wiki script. :) Mar 23 19:07:40 and the counter one is nice too :) Mar 23 19:11:04 * koen needs smaller fingers Mar 23 19:11:16 that, or FIC needs engineers with bigger fingers ;) Mar 23 19:11:43 patches welcome for apt/ibot/jbot/purl Mar 23 19:16:51 koen: that is what I really thought too Mar 23 19:16:57 although no phone for me so far :) Mar 23 19:17:11 the dpi is even higer than on n800 / 770 Mar 23 19:17:22 yet the text size and widgets in the screenshots are even smaller Mar 23 19:17:41 my experience is its very hard to design for a high dpi on a low dpi screen Mar 23 19:18:04 that's because they still hardcode DPI to 100 Mar 23 19:18:16 * koen polishes his DPI cluebat Mar 23 19:24:33 tigert - Yep. I hope the UI will get better. Mar 23 19:25:38 yeah Mar 23 19:25:48 having the actual devices helps a lot Mar 23 19:26:02 we always make sure we view our design mockups on the N800 screen Mar 23 19:26:13 tigert: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=296 Mar 23 19:26:24 even when knowing this, I make mistakes not realizing it is half the required size Mar 23 19:28:10 sounds like a need fora HIG Mar 23 19:28:26 like on gnome, most apps have Edit -> Preferences Mar 23 19:28:35 even firefox on linux has that Mar 23 19:28:44 what matters is consistency Mar 23 19:30:50 Yep. Mar 23 19:31:19 tigert - (haven't OM installed) I think, there's some Preferences setting to enlarge fonts. Does it work by now in OM? Mar 23 19:32:48 I dont know Mar 23 19:33:03 I just lurk here to try to make cross-project friends :) Mar 23 19:33:26