**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 26 02:59:57 2007 Mar 26 03:22:28 counter Mar 26 03:22:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 08:37:31 (11.359 +-7.0 days) (628) Mar 26 03:57:39 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Mar 26 04:17:16 http://www.TheTruthAtLarge.com <---Site based on the discussion of Philosophy, Religion, War, and the like. Please join the forum and speak your mind. Mar 26 04:17:16 http://www.TheTruthAtLarge.com <---Site based on the discussion of Philosophy, Religion, War, and the like. Please join the forum and speak your mind. Mar 26 04:17:16 http://www.TheTruthAtLarge.com <---Site based on the discussion of Philosophy, Religion, War, and the like. Please join the forum and speak your mind. Mar 26 05:18:49 Is anyone in here participating in the google summer of code? (mentor or student?) Mar 26 05:18:49 MarkF: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 26 05:56:40 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Mar 26 06:22:57 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1494 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (16 files in 3 dirs): Add new status pictures to the project. Mar 26 06:35:40 (script) openmoko-devel: Harald Welte Re: agpsd status Mar 26 06:51:17 Is anyone here participating in the google summer of code? (Mentor or student). I'm applying for the mythtv remote, and i'm looking for any other students or mentors working on other projects (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code#MythTV_Advanced_Remote_Control) Mar 26 06:52:04 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1495 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Mar 26 06:52:04 openmoko: Use the action pixtures instead of the texts for the Mar 26 06:52:04 openmoko: buttons on the tool box. Mar 26 06:56:40 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] Mar 26 07:11:18 MarkF: i am, but in a different project Mar 26 07:12:21 What project? Mar 26 07:13:01 handhelds.org Mar 26 07:17:35 cool Mar 26 07:22:49 well, i gotta run, i will bbl Mar 26 07:31:22 counter Mar 26 07:31:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 04:28:37 (11.187 +-7.0 days) (629) Mar 26 07:46:02 What is the bluetooth range with a Neo phone? Mar 26 07:49:00 MarkF like normal bluetooth Mar 26 07:50:38 from what i'm reading bluetooth can go 30-300 (http://www.thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/bluetooth.htm) Mar 26 07:50:49 30-300 ft* Mar 26 07:51:03 depends on your bluetooth class Mar 26 07:51:11 I suspect the neo will have the 10m one Mar 26 07:51:35 ok Mar 26 07:51:42 thanks Mar 26 07:56:40 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] Mar 26 08:04:40 good morning Mar 26 08:08:34 counter Mar 26 08:08:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 03:51:25 (11.161 +-7.0 days) (630) Mar 26 08:24:40 http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25#20070325-returning_from_taipei Mar 26 08:26:47 aloril: your bot needs to monitor the openmoko planet rss feed too :-) Mar 26 08:39:16 rwhitby: hmm.. yeah Mar 26 08:44:09 * CM is a big fan of Google Reader Mar 26 09:15:09 hi guys can anyone here help me with bluetooth development for openmoko ?? Mar 26 09:15:09 prayag: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 26 09:15:22 :) Mar 26 09:15:57 lol Mar 26 09:16:03 :) Mar 26 09:16:05 prayag: I don't know much, but my bet would be to get to know the bluez utils Mar 26 09:16:27 Even if they seem to be rewriting a lot right now Mar 26 09:17:07 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1496 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/ (9 files in 2 dirs): add stylus style menu object to openmoko-panel-mainmenu Mar 26 09:17:07 i did go to blueZ site ... its not exactly a very help site :) Mar 26 09:17:26 prayag: if we knew what you wanted to do with bluetooth on openmoko, we might know how to help you. on IRC, you don't ask to ask, you just ask. Mar 26 09:18:22 well, i don;t know how muchsense i might be making... i want to know if OBEX or any other profile is *as yet* supported for openmoko Mar 26 09:19:13 prayag: there are obex utilities in OpenEmbedded, so the base OBEX functionality will be available to ipkg install at least. Mar 26 09:19:51 SCREWYOUGUYSIMGOINGHOME Mar 26 09:19:58 Ooops, wrong channel Mar 26 09:20:05 prayag: look in http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages for the set of packages that potentially work on OM Mar 26 09:20:31 ok thanks... i would have a look Mar 26 09:22:20 (e.g. obexftp, obexpush, and bluez) Mar 26 09:22:46 there is no UI written for that stuff yet. Mar 26 09:22:50 (as far as I know) Mar 26 09:23:02 prayag: want sdptool output? Mar 26 09:23:45 morning Mar 26 09:24:03 hi Mac Mar 26 09:24:36 * hrw want gta01bv4 Mar 26 09:24:57 battery in bv3 is flat again... Mar 26 09:25:00 * SpeedEvil want gta01bv12(diesel) Mar 26 09:25:10 :( Mar 26 09:25:42 ~hail fic for using nokia bl-5c Mar 26 09:25:53 * apt bows down to fic for using nokia bl-5c and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Mar 26 09:26:00 I just replaced FIC battery with 3rd party one Mar 26 09:26:48 hrw: I managed to get out of the bv3 flat battery problem using a bv2 to charge the battery, so that bug is wierd Mar 26 09:27:08 XorA: I have external charger for bl-5c batteries ;d Mar 26 09:27:16 less then 2 EUR for charger Mar 26 09:28:05 or rather: <2 eur for stand used to charge bl5c batteries. as it need nokia charger Mar 26 09:34:11 neo respond to l2ping but not to sdptool ;( Mar 26 09:34:45 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1497 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/stylusmenu.c: small modify Mar 26 09:36:39 openmoko: 03laforge * r1498 10/trunk/doc/hardware/GTA01Bv4/: start with GTA01Bv4 as copy of GTA01Bv3 Mar 26 09:36:59 Bv4 :) Mar 26 09:39:25 I guess LaF0rge brought a GTA01Bv4 back from Taiwan Mar 26 09:40:21 hrw: I found I had to add a "discovto 0" to hcid.conf to make it discoverable. Mar 26 09:40:31 hx Mar 26 09:40:54 options or device part? Mar 26 09:41:12 options, just under the pscan iscan stuff is where I put it Mar 26 09:41:21 ok Mar 26 09:42:08 (I was able to get the Treo650 to pair with it, and ssh'd into the Neo from the Treo) Mar 26 09:42:24 (using dund and ppp on the Neo) Mar 26 09:46:03 bt looks unstable... Mar 26 09:46:28 once it gives me name from bluez.. once 'CSR - bc4'... Mar 26 09:56:56 hrw: marcel should be aback from brazil, so he has time (and neo!) to work on bluetooth Mar 26 09:58:29 bv3 has to be usb connected to host anyway so no rush Mar 26 09:59:19 hrw: I was able to keep an ssh session from Treo to Neo going for at least an hour Mar 26 09:59:29 (not much traffic, but it stayed up) Mar 26 10:06:46 all bv3 devices have the same BT mac.... Mar 26 10:07:37 ;D Mar 26 10:11:04 openmoko: 03thomas * r1499 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/Makefile.am): Mar 26 10:11:04 openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: Change binary name to openmoko-today to be more Mar 26 10:11:04 openmoko: consistent with other openmoko applications Mar 26 10:51:03 openmoko: 03thomas * r1500 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/ (9 files in 3 dirs): * Rename today.png to openmoko-today.png Mar 26 10:58:55 openmoko: 03thomas * r1501 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-ui.c): Mar 26 10:58:55 openmoko: * src/contacts-ui.c: (contacts_setup_ui): Make sure we always create an Mar 26 10:58:55 openmoko: initial Groups menu. Fixes OpenMoko bug 314. Mar 26 11:00:08 good monring Mar 26 11:00:51 Good day! Mar 26 11:11:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] Mar 26 11:18:21 counter Mar 26 11:18:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 00:41:38 (11.029 +-7.0 days) (631) Mar 26 11:18:38 is it just me, or has the counter started increasing? Mar 26 11:19:30 I remember it at a week 5 days yesterday... so it's just you :D Mar 26 11:27:47 hmm, dont try and write a 60meg file via usb to neo Mar 26 11:28:20 no mms support! Mar 26 11:28:38 looks like i know what i'll be implementing! Mar 26 11:29:24 wait a secons... we already have email mode.... its pretty much the same thing! Mar 26 11:31:41 * koen|lunch hopes for a openmoko tinymail frontend Mar 26 11:31:42 the more i look at it, the more openmoko isn't great for the UK market Mar 26 11:31:51 or an openmoko polymer frontend Mar 26 11:31:56 reliance on mobile data, no mms Mar 26 11:32:15 parag0n_: Im pretty sure it will have mms by P2 release Mar 26 11:32:23 Hi guys. Mar 26 11:32:23 parag0n_: MMS? I've never sent or received one, and I can't name any of my friends who have... Mar 26 11:32:23 parag0n_: the UK market is shit for data Mar 26 11:32:35 Stephmw, that was my point Mar 26 11:32:41 parag0n_: and data is coming, t-mobile have tarrifs with unlimited data Mar 26 11:32:47 thank god Mar 26 11:32:54 counter Mar 26 11:32:54 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 4 days 00:27:06 (11.019 +-7.0 days) (632) Mar 26 11:32:57 shame about t-mobile's coverage Mar 26 11:32:58 and I've got a vodafone 3G card which is unlimited too Mar 26 11:33:03 if thats a sensible price, i'll be switching right off Mar 26 11:33:05 so it won't be long Mar 26 11:33:27 parag0n_: yeah it's reasonable, web'n'walk tarrifs from t-mobile. they've been around for ages Mar 26 11:33:32 Robot101: good morning! Mar 26 11:33:41 I'm a bit of a vodafone junkie though because their coverage totally dominates everyone else's Mar 26 11:33:48 and I find myself in silly places like up mountains Mar 26 11:33:49 parag0n_: €10/month Mar 26 11:33:50 the thing that annoys me about mms is that i did a load or mms-based programming last year for work, so i know how EASY it is ;) Mar 26 11:34:06 I used to be on voda... but their customer service really pissed me off Mar 26 11:34:24 * koen|lunch sees an advantage in .nl being flat Mar 26 11:34:32 koen|lunch: hehe Mar 26 11:34:39 I had a bit of an effort scoring an E60 from my local vodafone shop Mar 26 11:34:41 koen|lunch: the UK pretends to have hills Mar 26 11:34:47 koen|lunch: they're just roadhumps Mar 26 11:35:00 they found one for me, but claimed that they were discontinued and there was only 1 in the whole of vodafone UK Mar 26 11:35:07 when their website actually sold them Mar 26 11:35:09 *hmm* :D Mar 26 11:35:12 koen|lunch: moin Mar 26 11:35:18 (delayed reactions :D) Mar 26 11:35:38 Robot101: to be fair to their sales staff, it wouldn't be the first time a site sold stuff that was out of stock Mar 26 11:35:50 :) Mar 26 11:36:17 18 month contract! Mar 26 11:36:20 jees :/ Mar 26 11:36:23 wtf? Mar 26 11:36:36 my god, that's back to the stoneage Mar 26 11:36:37 on web & walk Mar 26 11:37:05 back in the day contracts used to be 6-12 months :< Mar 26 11:37:24 you can get it as 'data-only', which is nice for USB UMTS cards and stuff Mar 26 11:37:39 i'd need it for both Mar 26 11:37:46 anyway, uni time Mar 26 11:37:48 laters guys Mar 26 11:37:58 parag0n_: bah, some people have all the luck Mar 26 11:38:05 * Stephmw eats his lunch at his desk Mar 26 11:38:49 but you need also to think about 802.16e Mobile wimax better then wi-fi or 3g Mar 26 11:40:58 Or IrDA or {what was this other BT like thingy?} Mar 26 11:41:29 ... or DvEaF ;) Mar 26 11:42:12 no trust me 802.16e (mobile wimax) + BT + GSM will be exacly what people need (2008-2009) Mar 26 11:43:41 802.73y will rule Mar 26 11:44:57 Wimax is _vastly_ over-hyped. Mar 26 11:45:04 Is that like 803.85v? ;) Mar 26 11:45:27 :) Mar 26 11:45:39 803.1337z Mar 26 11:45:48 no you are not right wimax is very good open technology Mar 26 11:46:05 we will got MOBILE BROADBAND like wi-fi today Mar 26 11:46:07 to each device Mar 26 11:46:16 for each device Mar 26 11:46:31 Bandwidth is limited. Mar 26 11:46:39 no it is not Mar 26 11:46:39 * Stephmw hands vradovic the astroturf seeds Mar 26 11:46:39 vradovic - Not where I live. Mar 26 11:46:41 you will always get collisions and interference. Mar 26 11:46:51 How is bandwidth unlimited? Mar 26 11:46:59 WiMAX can use 3.5 GHz (europe) and 5.8 GHz (europe) Mar 26 11:47:09 And how is that unlimited? Mar 26 11:47:12 that's still a limited resource Mar 26 11:47:15 there is not interference because 3.5 is licenced Mar 26 11:47:20 and what about the gateways? Mar 26 11:47:25 and on 5.8 you have 60 channels Mar 26 11:47:26 You will still - when many people start to use it - get interference. Mar 26 11:47:37 * Stephmw sees bottlenecks in the distance Mar 26 11:48:01 winet ftw! Mar 26 11:48:02 60 channels - with a 'long distance' transport method is not future-proof. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 26 11:51:03 2007 Mar 26 12:20:32 openmoko: 03laforge * r1502 10/trunk/doc/hardware/GTA01Bv4/gpio.txt: GTA01Bv4 GPIO config changes Mar 26 12:27:34 rwhitby: Good Morning/Evening! I have an image with gpstk in it! Mar 26 12:28:07 Ocibu: congrats :-) Mar 26 12:33:58 Ocibu: gtpsk is ~12MB now, I think we can cut that down by having gpstk build a shared libgpstk and sorting the binaries a bit better Mar 26 12:34:16 (example[1..5] are a bit bogus to include in the main package) Mar 26 12:34:52 Actually, none of the stuf in the apps dir is applicable to the openmoko environment. Mar 26 12:35:08 The libraries are all we really need Mar 26 12:35:45 I just need to learn enough about the OE recipes to know how to only include the libs Mar 26 12:36:49 PACKAGES += "lib1 lib2"\n FILES_lib1 = "${libdir}/lib1.so.*" etc Mar 26 12:45:56 w000t Mar 26 12:45:57 openmoko: 03laforge * r1503 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: add print-out when enabling/disabling fast charge Mar 26 12:54:17 Ocibu: the autotools stuff doesn't build shared libraries.... Mar 26 12:54:37 Ocibu: for gpstk to work on the neo someone needs to update the autofoo Mar 26 12:54:48 * ocibu groan Mar 26 12:54:49 the jam stuff is *not* suited for crosscompiling Mar 26 12:55:15 Yea, jam is great for some stuff; Not for crosscompilling Mar 26 12:55:25 (nor for compiling with a prefix, but that's another story) Mar 26 12:56:31 I am not overly automake literate but will work on it this evening (UTC-6) Mar 26 12:57:20 I also put in a call for volunteers at openmoko-devel :) Mar 26 12:57:38 (m4 makes my eyes bleed, so I can only complain instead of helping) Mar 26 13:03:06 k-s[WORK]: LaF0rge (in case you didn't get my privmgs) Mar 26 13:03:21 koen|away: ok Mar 26 13:12:14 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:IM]] Mar 26 13:13:59 openmoko: 03laforge * r1504 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c2410_udc.patch: add GTA01Bv4 support to UDC driver Mar 26 13:21:03 is next major revision 1.5 or 2008 device? Mar 26 13:26:43 hey there. great sounding project, can I ask, is this planned to be adopted by manufacturers, and released on new phones? Mar 26 13:26:43 jgoo: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 26 13:26:56 triffic. Mar 26 13:27:41 anyone here? Mar 26 13:27:42 WiggleCat: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 26 13:27:51 wtf! Mar 26 13:28:00 rwhitby, ping Mar 26 13:28:01 :) Mar 26 13:28:28 WiggleCat: no, only bots like me Mar 26 13:28:37 are the dev versions actually available now? Mar 26 13:28:50 Hey guys :) this project is great, kudos to FIC Mar 26 13:28:57 counter Mar 26 13:28:58 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 22:31:02 (10.938 +-7.0 days) (633) Mar 26 13:29:00 * WiggleCat presses Any_Key Mar 26 13:29:01 I hope the hardware is a little open in design too... anyway Mar 26 13:29:38 I'd just say that Java should be right up there as a priority. I'd even be willing to help out. But I am a Java developer, not a JVM developer Mar 26 13:29:55 *blink* Mar 26 13:30:07 WiggleCat: I'm THE RED Any key don't try your luck again Mar 26 13:30:13 oooh. I have an ipaq 4700... or a 5200? hrm. Mar 26 13:30:17 I must try this. Mar 26 13:30:47 that just makes it worse Any_Key Mar 26 13:30:53 * WiggleCat presses Any_Key some more Mar 26 13:31:11 * jgoo cleans keyboard Mar 26 13:31:53 WiggleCat : you're been warned Mar 26 13:32:14 * buz wonders what is so hard about getting Java Mar 26 13:32:20 * Any_Key blows all around WiggleCat Mar 26 13:32:49 * WiggleCat hands Any_Key a grammar checker... Mar 26 13:32:51 anybody understand why omoko build would fail like here http://pastebin.ca/410515 ? Mar 26 13:32:52 buz: the same reason that every phone has java is the same reason that every phone implements it different Mar 26 13:33:10 I am trying to build a qemux86 image with mokomakefile Mar 26 13:33:16 jgoo: yes but on this phone, you should be able to run bog standard J2SE Mar 26 13:33:42 if there is a JVM written for this processor, then yes Mar 26 13:33:44 anyway... when where how can I get one then .. Mar 26 13:34:04 please hand me spellchecker too Mar 26 13:34:08 i would venture to say there are ARM jvm Mar 26 13:34:35 license issues? I can't even get a free JVM for my PDA :p Mar 26 13:34:48 there are Mar 26 13:34:54 do tell Mar 26 13:34:56 * WiggleCat thinks that's probably a good thing Mar 26 13:35:17 handhelds.org will have a summer of code project about adapting one of the general use jvm's to linux on PDA Mar 26 13:35:20 I use superwaba right now... there was another VM from IBM that I cannot find... and PJava which I also cannnot find a download for Mar 26 13:35:30 if you skip the JIT, you might not even need arm specific code Mar 26 13:35:30 balrog-kun: aaah. so I can't use it today Mar 26 13:35:35 of course it'll be dog slow Mar 26 13:35:53 jgoo: i guess you could, if you just recompiled *the* JVM for arm Mar 26 13:36:25 JIT would be nice of course. Mar 26 13:36:28 afaik openmoko isn't tied to one CPU, and the neo#### runs on a samsung S3.... Mar 26 13:36:30 is that ARM? Mar 26 13:36:37 yes Mar 26 13:36:45 jgoo: yes, but that matters only for the kernel Mar 26 13:36:49 you'd be hard pressed to find many phones that arent ARM Mar 26 13:37:07 but of course arm!=arm Mar 26 13:37:11 jgoo: you can run debian or familiar or openzaurus userspace on it without any modifications Mar 26 13:37:25 nice Mar 26 13:37:27 ...mmmmm Mar 26 13:37:30 yeah but you cant run a x86 JIT on arm Mar 26 13:37:56 ok, I am back to the big wide world of the web. viel spass Mar 26 13:38:05 so that should mean you could run tomtom navigation s/w too then balrog-kun Mar 26 13:38:12 maybe Mar 26 13:38:30 it could certainly be made to run by tomtom quite easily Mar 26 13:39:09 WiggleCat: is it even linux? Mar 26 13:39:17 the Go is yes... Mar 26 13:39:28 whoah, i didn't know about it Mar 26 13:39:42 but if they are using a sane normal then yes Mar 26 13:39:43 Dodji: cd /home/moko/build/tmp/work/i586-linux/libelf-0.8.6-r0/libelf-0.8.6/ ; ./configure --enable-compat Mar 26 13:39:47 and TT provide pretty much everything you need (other than the ttn app and maps ; ) Mar 26 13:39:55 if I recall right Mar 26 13:40:06 balrog-kun: people started tomtom software on zaurus Mar 26 13:40:09 then do make again Mar 26 13:40:20 balrog-kun, http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl Mar 26 13:40:24 Any_Key, okay will try Mar 26 13:40:25 hrw: awesome, i thought they were all proprietary Mar 26 13:40:46 naaa.. been hacking mine for years :) Mar 26 13:41:12 I've just completed an sqlite app too ... Mar 26 13:41:40 All your POI are belong to me Mar 26 13:42:04 I'm going to guess the Mar 25 date wasn't firm. :) Mar 26 13:42:12 hehehe Mar 26 13:42:39 Dodji, if I was wrong ask quagua he helped me then I had such a problem Mar 26 13:42:45 counter Mar 26 13:42:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 3 days 22:17:14 (10.929 +-7.0 days) (634) Mar 26 13:43:03 Any_Key, woot, it worked perfect Mar 26 13:43:14 Syg: That's Phase 1 in about 11 days Mar 26 13:43:15 Any_Key, how do I properly fix that ? Mar 26 13:43:35 Any_Key, I mean, I guess some bb file needs patching or something Mar 26 13:43:41 Dodji, Good, It may work from now Mar 26 13:43:59 Dodji, Any_Key: update your .dev checkout and rebuild libelf Mar 26 13:44:47 koen, you mean the openembedded directory ? I just did a mtn pull/update of it this morning Mar 26 13:45:08 koen, when this thing got fixed ? Mar 26 13:46:16 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=846bde67b99146677600ce9b3ee03f06d8c764c3 Mar 26 13:46:38 balrog-kun: they are propertiary ;D Mar 26 13:47:15 * SpeedEvil wonders if anyone has gotten 2G microSD to work. Mar 26 13:47:30 SpeedEvil: 2G are confirmed working Mar 26 13:48:54 * koen checks phone bill Mar 26 13:49:02 122.5MB of gprs data last month Mar 26 13:49:34 hrw: only in part, as i understand Mar 26 13:49:42 koen: so how much is that going to cost you on your bill? Mar 26 13:53:58 koen: Why the insane padding in fic-gta01.conf in OE? Mar 26 13:55:51 XorA: Because old u-boot versions didn't erase the rest of the partition when updating via dfu-util. I think it shouldn't be needed anymore? Mar 26 13:56:14 pH5: did anyone actually tray and flash the 60Meg image? Mar 26 13:56:24 pH5: because it just crashes the phone here Mar 26 13:56:59 XorA: I didn't. My first self-built openmoko-devel-image just finished building... Mar 26 13:58:22 Hi guys =) Mar 26 14:02:48 tag Mar 26 14:02:52 prpplague: €17.50, flatrate Mar 26 14:06:30 buz: I suspect laforge was talking about 2008 device in blog Mar 26 14:09:56 well i just hope we get wifi in summer ;) Mar 26 14:10:08 after that they can have all time they want to come up with the uberdevice Mar 26 14:11:52 I can't really see why there's no wifi... Mar 26 14:12:07 Because FIC are evil, and hate you. Mar 26 14:12:52 that's probably true... I slept with their cats Mar 26 14:13:14 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Main_Page/nl]] [[Template:Languages]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Mar 26 14:13:34 i think we have intact chances for wifi in summer-fall Mar 26 14:13:40 Inded. Mar 26 14:13:46 s/e/ee/ Mar 26 14:13:46 SpeedEvil meant: Indeed. Mar 26 14:14:09 now cue the "i want a cam" whining Mar 26 14:14:20 eeewww Mar 26 14:14:29 I want a V12, with race cams. Mar 26 14:14:34 how about - I really really DON'T want a cam Mar 26 14:14:47 I find it handy. Mar 26 14:14:55 Not so much for 'pictures of vomit' Mar 26 14:15:01 SpeedEvil: meh, they moved the V12 wish item to the 'never' list on the wiki Mar 26 14:15:02 s/V12/hybrid Mar 26 14:15:12 openmoko: 03laforge * r1505 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c2410_udc.patch: fix compilation Mar 26 14:15:20 more for taking notes of stuff that would take ages to note down by hand. Mar 26 14:15:32 For example - dissasembly information from my car. Mar 26 14:15:43 Stephmw: Actually - that was me. Mar 26 14:15:49 wile driving! Mar 26 14:15:52 Along with the teleporter. Mar 26 14:16:02 and the perpetual motion device? Mar 26 14:16:09 * Stephmw sniffs sadly Mar 26 14:16:37 SpeedEvil: and here I felt the description was subtle enough to allow it to survive a bit longer Mar 26 14:16:52 I find the most misguided one is the request for 800*600 Mar 26 14:16:57 On a phone. Mar 26 14:17:00 ON A PHONE! Mar 26 14:17:02 sigh. Mar 26 14:17:09 heh Mar 26 14:17:11 they want sub-micron pixel accuracy :) Mar 26 14:17:16 SpeedEvil: Toshiba has phone with 800x480 Mar 26 14:17:17 Actually. Mar 26 14:17:24 openmoko: 03laforge * r1506 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: Mar 26 14:17:24 openmoko: Add support for GTA01Bv4 (make gta01bv4_config) Mar 26 14:17:24 openmoko: * 266MHz PLL initialisation (instead of 200MHz) Mar 26 14:17:24 openmoko: * GPIO changes Mar 26 14:17:24 openmoko: * SYSTEM_REV 0240 is used for GTA01Bv4 Mar 26 14:17:24 openmoko: * Fix Vibrator pulse for GTA01v4/GTA01v3 Mar 26 14:17:24 * SpeedEvil does some sums. Mar 26 14:17:34 oh THAT is good thing Mar 26 14:17:39 openmoko: 03laforge * r1507 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-mokoversion.patch: bump mokoversion to indicate GTA01Bv4 support Mar 26 14:17:45 SpeedEvil: I think the outrageous ones were never intended to be anything but funny Mar 26 14:17:54 LaF0rge: does 266MHz in Bv4 works with debug board? Mar 26 14:18:04 i could see SVGA on a slightly bigger screen Mar 26 14:18:17 openmoko: 03laforge * r1508 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: add gta01bv4 build support Mar 26 14:18:17 IMO - funny has a place on a small page. Mar 26 14:18:24 On a large page, it just bloats it. Mar 26 14:18:33 fair enough Mar 26 14:18:40 If you could do 16M*16M pixels, that could be interesting. Mar 26 14:18:50 As you could do proper diffraction. Mar 26 14:19:02 *G* Mar 26 14:19:30 buz - Yeah, a handheld gps I was looking at, had 3.5" display. :) Mar 26 14:19:43 i think the toshiba one is 3" Mar 26 14:20:02 heck gimme iphone with sliding qwerty and svga Mar 26 14:20:06 IMO. Mar 26 14:20:14 running on CortexA8 Mar 26 14:20:33 800*600 only really has a point if it's >4" or so. Mar 26 14:20:44 more pixel==better Mar 26 14:20:49 Well... Mar 26 14:20:54 A8? Mar 26 14:20:59 samsung has a 7" 1080p Mar 26 14:20:59 More pixel = more CPU to push the pixels around. Mar 26 14:21:00 I still like this 3.5" thingy. Except the closed firmware that uses extra heavy obfuscated data stuff. Mar 26 14:21:00 wow, that's a pretty beefy cpu Mar 26 14:21:20 more pixels... more power too Mar 26 14:21:28 * mwester actually does NOT want a camera -- phones with cameras are not allowed inside many of my customer's facilities. FWIW. Mar 26 14:21:28 Not inherently. Mar 26 14:21:42 Only if you write out the display linearly. Mar 26 14:21:43 mwester: should be easy to have two version Mar 26 14:21:48 koen: I suspect v2 will have that in core Mar 26 14:21:49 there are other ways to access screens. Mar 26 14:21:53 * WiggleCat agrees with mwester Mar 26 14:22:13 besides, if I wnat pics I'll use my tie-pin camera ;) Mar 26 14:22:14 buz: if unit sales are strong enough to justify two hardware versions Mar 26 14:22:17 the AMD geode has an interesting idea that way too. Mar 26 14:22:28 It compresses the video buffer. Mar 26 14:22:40 yesterday I used my phone to take photos in ikea Mar 26 14:23:09 On a read from the framebuffer, it reads from the compressed cache - unless it's marked as dirty for that line. Mar 26 14:23:25 mwester: that mostly depends on the pricing Mar 26 14:23:25 If it's dirty, it compresses, and writes back the compressed, and then displays. Mar 26 14:23:26 IIRC Mar 26 14:23:51 hrw: I find cameras useful for that too - when you have some ideas about what you want to buy, but are not sure. Mar 26 14:24:03 Take piccys of the price labels so you don't forget. Mar 26 14:24:19 use gprs to check if prices online are better ;) Mar 26 14:24:38 aloril: cortexa8 is a pretty bare core, and the only SoC I know of that uses it is the omap3 Mar 26 14:24:44 For the sort of stuff I was buying - it was heavy non-deliverable stuff. Mar 26 14:24:58 mwester: tbh, I much prefer the idea of (say) a SLR being controlled by a neo Mar 26 14:25:19 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture) Mar 26 14:25:37 aloril: and I now for sure v2 isn't using omap yet Mar 26 14:26:20 * mwester imagines controlling his Nikon D-200 with the neo Mar 26 14:29:23 koen: maybe rumored unreleased i.MX33 is another option? Mar 26 14:29:46 * SpeedEvil realises FAQ could do with another tidy. Mar 26 14:29:54 some claim that imx33 uses cortex Mar 26 14:30:11 i heard they were rather considering the PXA cpus for future versions Mar 26 14:30:15 i think neo needs cortex. just to be able to call it NeoCortex of course Mar 26 14:30:31 PXA? they must know something about batteries that we dont Mar 26 14:31:14 the PXA320 are supposed to be better than 270 in this regard Mar 26 14:31:47 it would probably help to buy from marvel to get gpl wifi chips, too Mar 26 14:32:32 openmoko: 03laforge * r1509 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: raise battery voltage monitor threshold from 2.8V to 3.3V (might solve looping) Mar 26 14:33:04 with Marvell's policy on datasheets I doubt a PXA suits the needs of a open platform Mar 26 14:33:34 freescale is good there Mar 26 14:33:40 1500pages of sheet available for anyone Mar 26 14:33:47 and so is samsung, in fairness Mar 26 14:34:23 samsung is not bad, they just need higher clocking :p Mar 26 14:34:45