**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 29 02:59:56 2007 Mar 29 03:01:15 roh: trying that now ... Mar 29 03:02:21 yep, that worked. the missing link is the registration Mar 29 03:02:30 looks like the UI dialer doesn't try and register Mar 29 03:04:59 seems so Mar 29 03:05:21 but hey.. it also needs a network-chosing possibility soon i think Mar 29 03:06:44 roh: i can supply you with a simcard that can use all four german networks if you need, for testing purposes Mar 29 03:09:02 nibbler_de later.. first i need hardware without 50% buzzing due to the sidetone-bug Mar 29 03:12:03 nibbler_de, how does that work? and can it be done in other countries? Mar 29 03:13:09 parag0n_: it's a dutch prepaid simcard ;) Mar 29 03:13:34 ah, so it uses any networkto route back to its home network? Mar 29 03:13:36 no registration, anonymous, cheap tariff... check out http://www.lebara-mobile.nl/ Mar 29 03:13:46 yup. roams in many networks Mar 29 03:14:05 even in the thuraya satellite network :) Mar 29 03:14:13 how... convenient ;) Mar 29 03:15:44 but it seems that your calls are being routed partly through chinanet - so... i wouldn't use it for anything important unless it's crypted Mar 29 03:16:12 anyone played with qemu build of openmoko? I get a message saying "Touch the crosshair to calibrate the screen" Mar 29 03:17:58 empty_mind do you emulate a usb-touchpad or what youre trying? Mar 29 03:18:35 roh, just downloaded the openmoko-qemu image and running it as per instructions Mar 29 03:19:00 roh, running it on touchpad based laptop though Mar 29 03:19:56 hm Mar 29 03:24:12 propably you just have to get behind the ts-calibrator Mar 29 03:32:35 roh, how ? Mar 29 03:33:07 comment it out in the scripts or so? Mar 29 03:33:32 you can ssh into it and look if its just in front of other apps or the first and only x-app Mar 29 03:33:51 i dunno by hand how in detail the gui comes up Mar 29 03:34:29 if its running in front kill it and see if you can use the gui with the mouse then Mar 29 03:43:07 oh.. there IS pin stuff in the dialer Mar 29 03:46:00 roh, yaa i can use gui and mouse. Mar 29 03:54:52 openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1545 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c sms-contact-window.c sms-contact-window.h): GList* selectedContacts is not need any more. Mar 29 04:00:49 roh, i had been able to kill ts-calibrate, but wen i click on any icon it says "press ctrl-alt to end grab". ANy idea how do i fix this ? Mar 29 04:05:16 uh.. no Mar 29 04:05:37 afaik the qemu target is broken in that way atm Mar 29 04:05:58 i recieves not so much love now where devices are at some locations Mar 29 04:06:17 so then.. have fun.. gotta go Mar 29 04:10:15 roh, actually seemless mouse options for qemu are not working Mar 29 05:17:53 openmoko: 03werner * r1546 10/developers/werner/libftdi-c56-strings-dirty-hack.patch: Mar 29 05:17:53 openmoko: Partial fix (strings only) for Mar 29 05:17:53 openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=321 Mar 29 05:19:53 counter Mar 29 05:22:11 counter Mar 29 05:33:20 counter Mar 29 05:33:29 counter gone down Mar 29 05:40:25 Hiz! Mar 29 05:40:34 counter Mar 29 05:53:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 06:06:19 (8.254 +-7.0 days) Mar 29 06:38:03 Anybody here that using openocd up? Mar 29 06:38:03 smithbone: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 29 06:49:47 TeringTuby: Don't suppose you use openocd do you? Mar 29 06:53:56 smithbone: I've used openocd as part of devirginator to reflash my Phase0 device Mar 29 06:54:25 rwhitby: I seem to be having trouble getting it to recognize my debug board. Mar 29 06:54:52 smithbone: have you read the latest messages on the hardware mailing list? Mar 29 06:55:33 e.g. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/neo1973-hardware/2007-March/000057.html Mar 29 06:55:48 rwhitby: No.. I haven't.. Mar 29 06:55:50 * smithbone reads. Mar 29 06:56:22 for some reason, I've never had a problem with the debug board. perhaps cause I use an nslu2 to drive it :-) Mar 29 06:58:21 rwhitby: That seem to be suggesting that is a phone problem. Mar 29 06:58:30 rwhitby: I don't get to step 4 Mar 29 06:58:35 Info: openocd.c:84 main(): Open On-Chip Debugger (2007-01-31 12:00 CET) Mar 29 06:58:35 Error: ft2232.c:1351 ft2232_init(): unable to open ftdi device: device not found Mar 29 06:59:06 are you sure you've got the ftdi_sio kernel driver installed, with the right product and vendor settings? Mar 29 06:59:44 rwhitby: Things are some what hosed. our debug board did not have the right eeprom settings but I think I have that set. Mar 29 06:59:53 rwhitby: Minus the strings.. Mar 29 07:00:22 smithbone: what does "modinfo ftdi_sio" say on your host? Mar 29 07:00:34 rwhitby: I know the vendor and product are set.. Mar 29 07:00:38 rwhitby: standby Mar 29 07:01:04 you did the "modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118" thing? Mar 29 07:01:41 woah.. lots of output. Mar 29 07:02:08 rwhitby: yeah I'm pretty sure I did the vendor product thing. Mar 29 07:02:15 rwhitby: how do I check? Mar 29 07:02:56 I get "parm: product:ushort Mar 29 07:02:57 parm: vendor:User specified product ID (ushort)" as the third-last and second-last lines of the modinfo output Mar 29 07:03:09 yep..vendor:User specified vendor ID Mar 29 07:03:30 dunno then. sorry. Mar 29 07:04:30 rwhitby: ok thanks.. I guess I'll go back to trying to enable openocd debugging and recompile. Mar 29 07:11:06 morning Mar 29 07:19:18 ah.. werner just checked in developers/werner/libftdi-c56-strings-dirty-hack.patch Mar 29 07:19:40 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=321 Mar 29 07:19:52 rwhitby: Fixed. Mar 29 07:19:55 * smithbone blushes Mar 29 07:20:05 I had the eeprom screwed up. Mar 29 07:20:06 * CM points to 07:17 openmoko: werner * r1546 Mar 29 07:20:11 :-) Mar 29 07:20:55 So whats the best image for me to reflash? Mar 29 07:23:37 hm.. make update via gprs/umts makes no fun at all Mar 29 07:25:58 roh: I just got my debug board going. I've got a phase -1 device that won't charge the battery. What the best stuff for me to reflash in to fix that? Mar 29 07:27:27 you have a gta01bv2 or earlier? Mar 29 07:28:10 Uh.. I'm not totally sure... I'm still pretty cold on the whole deal. Its Mako's phone. Mar 29 07:28:27 roh: He left it here at OLPC for us to work on. Mar 29 07:28:35 hehe ;) Mar 29 07:28:50 How do I check? Mar 29 07:29:22 if the case is off you can look on the pcb beneath the display Mar 29 07:29:49 I've got the case off but the display is still attached.. Mar 29 07:29:57 * smithbone fiddles. Mar 29 07:30:02 not under the display Mar 29 07:31:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_top.jpg Mar 29 07:32:44 roh: GTA01B_A3 Mar 29 07:33:01 There was a jumper hiding the text. Mar 29 07:36:47 ok.. thats what you need to know when flashing.. because the wrong uboot will not work Mar 29 07:37:16 gta01bv3 it is called Mar 29 07:41:17 Thanks.. Mar 29 07:41:31 I seem to be getting a 404 from the wiki link http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/gta01/deploy/images/ Mar 29 07:44:10 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ seems to work Mar 29 07:45:14 Ah.. the gta01 has gone away.. Mar 29 07:45:29 its just /mpt/deploy/images now. Mar 29 07:50:27 philippe: Yep.. thanks. Mar 29 07:51:00 i'm trying to download it now. Mar 29 07:55:03 Hello can i install OpenMoko on Series60 smartphone (nokia 6630) !? Mar 29 07:55:44 no Mar 29 07:56:33 zod: :( it`s no good :( why !? Mar 29 07:56:59 sure, just convince nokia to release the linux kernel they ported to that phone Mar 29 08:00:29 koen|lab: but if we know whot processor in it we can use openmoko !? Mar 29 08:03:38 but i not understand it inpusible !? Mar 29 08:08:03 Chapay: porting OpenMoko to that phone requires documentation of hardware Mar 29 08:08:44 aloril: or a lot of time. Mar 29 08:08:48 CPU only is not enough, you need to know all other devices in it too Mar 29 08:09:11 aloril: i thik Symbian it`s not so close platfofm Mar 29 08:09:19 * aloril nods to pH5 and possible also some extra devices in case of bricking when reverse engineering ;-) Mar 29 08:10:21 hmmm.. porting linux libraries to Symbian? hmm.. ouch? Mar 29 08:10:40 openmoko: 03ken_zhao * r1547 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (ChangeLog src/application-menu.c): Mar 29 08:10:40 openmoko: Remove unnecessory setting a default size to the file chooser dialog. Mar 29 08:10:40 openmoko: After installing single package successfully, refresh the navigation. Mar 29 08:10:40 openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=288 Mar 29 08:10:40 openmoko: Use the "Exit" menuitem instead of the "Quit" menuitem in the application manu. Mar 29 08:10:44 openmoko: Followed the suggestion of: Mar 29 08:10:46 openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=296 Mar 29 08:10:51 * aloril wonders if it would still be easier to reverse engineer platform ;-) Mar 29 08:13:36 aloril i think it`s no good idia :( but if we can runing OpenMoko on Series 60 it`s be SO COOL !!! Whether not so!!!??? Mar 29 08:14:27 Chapay: sure, but I think its a lot of work, feel free to try to do it yourself though ;-) Mar 29 08:15:14 oh i not so good hacker :( Mar 29 08:16:05 but i can translate wiki on russian :) As I do now :) Mar 29 08:16:45 mhh the trolls are porting qt to winmobile Mar 29 08:17:09 openmoko in wince might be a bit easier, gtk, etc.. are already ported to windows Mar 29 08:17:39 not sure how related winmobile and win really are Mar 29 08:17:48 winmobile for one is even crashhappier than win itself Mar 29 08:18:09 my old wince device had to wakeup every midnight to do a sanity check Mar 29 08:18:11 buz: yeah and for other programs you want more, doubt wince has posix compatibility? Mar 29 08:18:20 yeah i doubt that too Mar 29 08:18:24 (to be fair, xp on decent hardware is about as stable as linux) Mar 29 08:18:31 at least on the desktop Mar 29 08:22:11 rwhitby: you can already make and receive calls with the GUI dialer: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/sim-in-a-can Mar 29 08:24:00 openmoko should run happily in cygwin Mar 29 08:24:07 (i think) Mar 29 08:24:30 i thin probe use it on desctop linux ^) Mar 29 08:24:31 :) Mar 29 08:25:01 * koen|lab still thinks the 128MB ram is awesome Mar 29 08:25:19 koen|lab: very much so Mar 29 08:25:32 thats the most binding constraint on most of the hacked routers Mar 29 08:25:39 I still have 52MB ram free with the dialer loaded and stuff Mar 29 08:25:42 koen|lab: oh, telepathy-sip is now released, btw Mar 29 08:25:49 robtaylor: cool Mar 29 08:26:05 i'm still not entirely sure what telepathy actually does Mar 29 08:26:14 robtaylor: but I have to spank daf to stop telepathy-gabble to run generated binaries during the build Mar 29 08:26:24 does it basically provide the protocol stack? Mar 29 08:27:18 robtaylor: ETA on a new HAL release? The RC doesn't compile..... Mar 29 08:27:39 buz: its a specification for a dbus interface Mar 29 08:27:57 buz: its basically an abtraction of IM and vvoip services Mar 29 08:28:09 thats what i understood Mar 29 08:28:21 but somehow along the line of telepathy and kde's decibel i got confused Mar 29 08:28:28 I hate circuit and PCB design.... Mar 29 08:28:36 buz: so you can have multiple backends providing dbus services for connecting to various systems, sip, xmpp, msn, oscar, etc Mar 29 08:28:47 buz: it's easy: telepathy abstracts stuff Mar 29 08:28:56 so we get rid of libgaim that way? Mar 29 08:29:07 buz: and mutiple ui's can access those systems Mar 29 08:29:09 buz: but KDE loves more needles abstraction, so they abstract telepathy Mar 29 08:29:41 buz: so on n800, theres a voice/vido calling app, an im ap, a contact synronisation app and the contacts app Mar 29 08:29:47 well in some way it seems understandable that they want a C++ interface Mar 29 08:30:07 koen|lab: thats not actually true Mar 29 08:30:18 koen|lab: Decibel is a mission control implementation for kde Mar 29 08:30:19 robtaylor: I know Mar 29 08:30:25 * buz tries to sell his portege m200 Mar 29 08:31:06 (it's impossible to justify buying a thinkpad when your current notebook works perfectly) Mar 29 08:31:08 buz: and all the apps talk the abtracted interface, so they dont (in theory) care about what kind of backend they're talkiung to Mar 29 08:34:47 buz: what if your notebook is a 6 year old thinkpad? :) Mar 29 08:34:47 kelvinn: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 29 08:34:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/ru]] Mar 29 08:37:52 kelvinn: well the m200 still has 1,5 warranty even Mar 29 08:38:04 lets see what i get for it ;9 Mar 29 08:38:22 Warrenty even! Mar 29 08:45:02 ehehe Mar 29 08:45:17 but those 1650x1080 2.4kg thinkpads are just too tasty Mar 29 08:45:40 buz: would you like to sell your laptop for a fraction of it's value? i'm willing to buy? :) Mar 29 08:45:58 sure, for 0.9times its value Mar 29 08:46:07 hmm Mar 29 08:46:31 question being what the value is, really Mar 29 08:46:39 okay, if i get to decide the value Mar 29 08:46:46 that i dont like ;) Mar 29 08:46:54 deal, right? ;) Mar 29 08:46:58 i even have dockingstation and second psu for it Mar 29 08:47:13 should be easy enough to sell (considering that those crappy ibm tablets go for nearly 1000EUR) Mar 29 08:47:16 what's the screen size? Mar 29 08:47:31 12"@1400x1050, tablet Mar 29 08:48:17 i'll have to look into it later ;( Mar 29 08:48:21 meaning ;) Mar 29 08:48:32 sure Mar 29 08:48:37 i'm here all day ;) Mar 29 08:51:06 heh Mar 29 08:51:07 http://tweakers.net/nieuws/46916/Tweede-Kamer:-Voip-valt-onder-telecommunicatiewet.html Mar 29 08:51:12 (in dutch) Mar 29 08:51:37 another example on how encryption isn't understood by politicians Mar 29 08:53:20 koen|lab: yeah, I thought I had seen reports of the gui dialer working. so now I need to work out why I have to manually register using libgsmd-tool before the dialer will work. Mar 29 08:54:19 rwhitby: the trick is that the dialer needs to get (re)started after gsmd (re)starts Mar 29 08:55:23 so I reboot, and gsmd starts, and then I open the dialer. it doesn't work. I kill the dialer and run libgsmd-tool and register with the network manually. then I open the dialer again and it works. Mar 29 08:56:36 hmmm Mar 29 08:56:39 and I've got gsmd to log to a file, so I can *see* that neither gsmd nor the dialer are registering with the network automatically for my phase0 device, latest official moko firmware. Mar 29 08:56:46 so..anyone wantto write a gsmd backend for telepathy? ;) Mar 29 08:57:14 rwhitby: I'm not using "official moko firmware", but that shouldn't make a difference Mar 29 08:57:41 right. at least I have working and non-working cases, so it shouldn't be hard for me to track down what's wrong. Mar 29 09:09:17 koen|lab: Think I understood some of that article at least. The sad part is that most politicians have not the slightest clue about anything technical and yet they are happy to make up laws and regulations about such things without really researching it. Mar 29 09:10:26 CM: it says 'companies' have to give their encryption keys to the government Mar 29 09:10:42 so who would they harass for opensource software? Mar 29 09:10:50 (ignoring on-the-fly keygen) Mar 29 09:11:04 Hehe.. Yeah, I wonder Mar 29 09:12:03 It would be funny if my (non-existant) company made a voip app and they want to wiretap my conversations Mar 29 09:12:12 Maybe it's time for me to get a bit more paranoid about encryption and security and put on my tinfoil hat. ;) Mar 29 09:18:26 mhh so if you generate keys on the fly what happens? Mar 29 09:21:08 buz: only you and the person you are talking to have the keys Mar 29 09:21:19 yeah obviously Mar 29 09:21:23 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1548 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/src/ (moko-gsm-conn.c moko-gsm-conn.h openmoko-panel-gsm.c): some small modifies, and reorgnize the icon names, add gprs icons, needs to find out gprs signal(connection) update function Mar 29 09:21:34 i was wondering more about the legal implications Mar 29 09:21:59 for sip, i dont see why you wouldnt use on the fly keys Mar 29 09:22:14 (for most bidirectional paths, really) Mar 29 09:28:09 zrtp is the thing for voip Mar 29 09:38:47 mickeyl: is gui dialer meant to work at the moment (i.e. does it register with the network automatically?) Mar 29 09:39:21 rwhitby: Only if you disable the PIN Mar 29 09:39:28 yeah Mar 29 09:39:32 alphaone: I don't have a pin on that sim Mar 29 09:39:35 all my SIMs have disabled PIN Mar 29 09:39:42 So it should work Mar 29 09:39:59 i found myself being in a situation where i had to manually register w/ the network though Mar 29 09:40:02 rarely Mar 29 09:40:05 re Mar 29 09:40:11 My SIM still has a PIN and I have to manually enter it via libgsm-tool Mar 29 09:40:32 alphaone, stefan_schmidt and me are going to fix this on weekend Mar 29 09:40:39 does gsm panel show signal level? Mar 29 09:40:50 mickeyl: I have a gsmd log file if that helps Mar 29 09:40:56 Should more than one process be able to access GSM? i.e. dialer running and libgsm-tool? Mar 29 09:41:02 rwhitby: for sure, please mail it to me Mar 29 09:41:06 mickeyl: Yeah :-) Mar 29 09:41:16 alphaone: yes, that's the idea of the gsmd Mar 29 09:41:30 alphaone: although to make it really nice, we need this GObject abstraction Mar 29 09:41:48 which i'm hopefully going to work on Mar 29 09:42:41 Okay, something seems still wrong there. If I start up the phone and then start libgsmd-tool I never get an answer. Mar 29 09:42:46 mickeyl: given any thought to a telepathy gsm backend? Mar 29 09:43:51 not yet. In March I had virtually zero time to work on OM Mar 29 09:44:02 But maybe gsmd just gets confused since my card wants PIN entry Mar 29 09:44:03 good news is that March is soon over Mar 29 09:44:15 mickeyl: yeah :) Mar 29 09:44:26 no need to think, just hire codethink and/or collabra :) Mar 29 09:44:45 alphaone: check the gsmd output. it is still quite easy to confuse it. Mar 29 09:44:55 koen|lab: heh, thanks for the plug =) Mar 29 09:45:52 mickeyl: oh another thing you might find useful is me and robm have finally come up with concrete plans for making dbus-glib much more gobjecty Mar 29 09:46:00 (and more like the qt dbus bindings) Mar 29 09:46:11 this I find indeed helpful! Mar 29 09:46:18 s/robm/Robot101/ Mar 29 09:46:25 as he's on channel :) Mar 29 09:46:46 mickeyl: gsmd log sent to your @om.org address. Mar 29 09:47:34 rwhitby: thanks. Mar 29 09:47:48 mickeyl: we'll be skething up the design on the dbus wiki, i'll ping you for your take when its up Mar 29 09:48:04 robtaylor: excellent. thanks Mar 29 09:48:51 bbl tonite Mar 29 09:49:48 I'm trying to run the openmoko r1444 qemu images Mar 29 09:50:43 but somehow qemu totally fails to show a cursor in the calibrate screen Mar 29 09:52:52 does "reboot" work for anyone using phase0 hardware and latest build? mine seems to hang as it's shutting down (can't see the screen, cause I'm controlling it remotely from 15km away) Mar 29 09:53:46 hmm - I wonder if I remembered to reconnect the serial controlled relay to the reset button on the debug board ... Mar 29 09:54:15 yes :-) Mar 29 09:54:59 so, anyone who can confirm a clean reboot (or lack thereof)? Mar 29 09:56:40 rwhitby: ah. great. I'm not alone. I was thinking it was due to my custom kernel :/ Mar 29 09:57:51 time to create an /etc/syslog.conf with destination file and see where it's hanging. Mar 29 09:58:06 * amarsh04 wonders if rwhitby needs a remotely controllable camera pointing at his P0 Mar 29 09:58:53 amarsh04: actually, I am working on that - I have a webcam connected to the nas100d which drives the debug board and slug usb interfaces, and am running webcam-server on it. I just need a way to mount it above the neo. Mar 29 09:59:44 It's resolution is 640x480, so I just need precise optics to get a 1:1 image of the neo screen ;-) Mar 29 10:03:02 (-: Mar 29 10:04:38 actually, you probably want a toshiba libretto Mar 29 10:04:38 7" with 1280x720 should come quite close Mar 29 10:04:38 (for easier development) Mar 29 10:05:59 ok, logging to file now, let's see what's hanging the reboot. Mar 29 10:12:50 Jan 1 00:02:29 fic-gta01 daemon.info init: /etc/inittab[56]: duplicate ID field "1" Mar 29 10:13:13 nothing else before syslogd exits. Mar 29 10:26:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] Mar 29 11:14:16 openmoko: 03rob * r1549 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Mar 29 11:14:16 openmoko: 2007-03-29 Rob Bradford Mar 29 11:14:16 openmoko: * libmokoui/Makefile.am: Mar 29 11:14:16 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-dialog.c: (moko_dialog_get_property), Mar 29 11:14:17 openmoko: (moko_dialog_set_property), (moko_dialog_dispose), Mar 29 11:14:19 openmoko: (moko_dialog_finalize), (moko_dialog_class_init), Mar 29 11:14:21 openmoko: (moko_dialog_closebutton_cb), (moko_dialog_init), Mar 29 11:22:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] Mar 29 11:39:37 counter Mar 29 11:39:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 00:20:22 (8.014 +-7.0 days) (668) Mar 29 11:40:14 counter Mar 29 11:40:14 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 00:19:45 (8.014 +-7.0 days) (669) Mar 29 11:43:50 * koen|lunch wonders why http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation people don't use OE Mar 29 11:50:10 openmoko: 03thomas * r1550 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (libmokoui/Makefile.am openmoko-libs.pc.in): * Install openmoko-libs headers into a proper prefix Mar 29 12:00:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, a day 00:00:00 (8.000 +-7.0 days) Mar 29 12:00:19 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 23:59:45 (8.000 +-7.0 days) Mar 29 12:00:39 * SpeedEvil straps the counter to a rack, to find out the truth. Mar 29 12:00:57 one more day and it starts reducing uncertainty Mar 29 12:01:59 koen: openmoko distro is oabi or eabi? Mar 29 12:02:39 oabi. Mar 29 12:03:53 guys, i see pyhton receipe in openembedded but when i try to get python prompt on qemu based build. Do i need to install python using ipkg or do i need to enable something while building ? Mar 29 12:11:28 need to install Mar 29 12:17:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] Mar 29 12:22:53 counter Mar 29 12:22:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 23:37:06 (7.984 +-7.0 days) (670) Mar 29 12:23:49 Does anyone know if there are some delays regarding the phone? Mar 29 12:23:56 probably Mar 29 12:31:39 problably anyone knows, or probably there are delays? =) Mar 29 12:34:51 according to mickeyl's blog on the 24th, everything was running smoothly Mar 29 12:35:07 he said 'we will be shipping in 2 weeks' or something Mar 29 12:36:07 They were quick to announce the delays to P0 as soon as they knew about them Mar 29 12:51:02 hi all Mar 29 13:12:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] Mar 29 13:32:04 counter Mar 29 13:32:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 22:27:55 (7.936 +-7.0 days) (671) Mar 29 14:02:30 hi Mar 29 15:12:51 does "no changes to housing" mean adding a camera isn't feasible? Mar 29 15:13:35 yes Mar 29 15:15:44 :( Mar 29 15:16:19 hack one up and use USB Mar 29 15:16:59 hahahaha Mar 29 15:17:01 i will Mar 29 15:17:02 XD Mar 29 15:17:13 which means our new feature will probably be wifi Mar 29 15:17:16 which will rule Mar 29 15:17:29 My real problem with USB is the stupid connector. Mar 29 15:17:35 For mobile use. Mar 29 15:17:39 yea Mar 29 15:17:42 falling out and such Mar 29 15:17:50 locking connector like rj45 would have been nice Mar 29 15:17:55 More being easily damagable. Mar 29 15:17:58 ahh Mar 29 15:18:14 just use bluetooth ^_^ Mar 29 15:18:39 init_alx: or hack the back cover to add it... depends on your usecase Mar 29 15:18:42 hahaha Mar 29 15:19:59 man i seriously can't wait Mar 29 15:21:43 * koen|lab wonders how to fit the 1D into the case Mar 29 15:21:51 drat, the 1D only has firewire.... Mar 29 15:23:41 aloril: can you find out how many unique users has run counter? Mar 29 15:26:57 koen|lab: I didn't realise Mar 29 15:27:10 koen|lab: and the 5D is too friggin expensive still Mar 29 15:27:30 koen|lab: but I could dig a control app on the Neo for my 350D Mar 29 15:28:52 Stephmw: get a transistor or switch and trigger the shutter Mar 29 15:29:01 the 'remote' protocol is really simple Mar 29 15:29:28 3 pins: GND, focus and shutter Mar 29 15:29:43 I mean via USB... and actually control it via gphoto2 Mar 29 15:31:01 * koen heads home Mar 29 15:31:52 cu Mar 29 15:35:18 is there an alternative method to charge the neo? Mar 29 15:36:18 zecke: electodes into a potato work, but takes a really long time Mar 29 15:36:41 prpplague: hehe Mar 29 15:40:09 zecke: its nokia bl-5c so you can buy external chargers. 3rdparty ones costs <2 eur (need nokia charger) Mar 29 15:41:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 20:18:31 (7.846 +-7.0 days) (671,131) Mar 29 15:42:15 sannes: see above (calls, unique nicks (not underscore reduced though)) Mar 29 15:44:44 hrw|gone: I tried to charge it in a nokia phone... Mar 29 15:45:11 bye Mar 29 15:55:36 openmoko: 03dodji * r1551 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ChangeLog: Mar 29 15:55:36 openmoko: Make TodayEventsArea update events that get modified in e-d-s. Mar 29 15:55:36 openmoko: * applications/openmoko-today/src/today-events-area.c: Mar 29 15:55:36 openmoko: Update the widget to show (in real time) modified Mar 29 15:55:36 openmoko: events/todo items. Mar 29 15:55:42 openmoko: 03dodji * r1552 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Mar 29 15:55:43 openmoko: Added the openmoko-libs/libmokojournal directory structure Mar 29 15:55:44 openmoko: * openmoko-libs/Makefile.am, openmoko-libs/configure.ac: declare Mar 29 15:55:46 openmoko: the new openmoko-libs/openmokojournal directory Mar 29 15:55:48 openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/Makefile.am: added the new boilerplate Mar 29 15:55:50 openmoko: moko-journal.[c|h] files. Mar 29 15:55:52 openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/moko-journal.c,h: added these new Mar 29 15:58:54 gtg cu Mar 29 16:00:02 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] [[Main_Menu]] Mar 29 16:00:37 Hi Dodji Mar 29 16:00:45 Elrond, hey hey Mar 29 16:01:06 koen: that was quick :) Mar 29 16:01:24 Stephmw: I live ~500m from the uni Mar 29 16:02:08 koen: sniff. I live a good hour from work Mar 29 16:03:10 counter Mar 29 16:03:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 19:56:48 (7.831 +-7.0 days) (672,131) Mar 29 16:03:53 In 20 hours, the counter will slow down by 50% I'm guessing. Mar 29 16:04:22 isn't that Xeno's paradox? Mar 29 16:05:38 No, openmoko paradox ;o) Mar 29 16:06:44 whenever it takes 1hour time will slow down by 50% ;) Mar 29 16:06:48 aloril: that wasn't there before right? :P looked through the page before realizing what you meant :D Mar 29 16:17:18 Elrond: yes, half of time is spent in reducing uncertainty Mar 29 16:17:34 sannes: yeah, added it as response to your question Mar 29 16:36:53 have there been further delays? Mar 29 16:39:28 cw666: none that I know Mar 29 16:45:17 how big is the openmoko svn repository? Mar 29 16:45:27 7! Mar 29 16:47:43 7 GB? Mar 29 16:49:18 7 cubic centimeters. Mar 29 16:49:34 haha Mar 29 16:49:37 nowhere near that Mar 29 16:50:28 aloril - ;) Mar 29 16:50:35 for P1 system will debug boards be available? Mar 29 16:50:49 it wasn't clear from the wiki how you could order those and what the cost was Mar 29 16:51:25 yes, $200 Mar 29 16:52:11 While I find $200 a lot for two ftdi chips... Mar 29 16:52:44 Elrond: chips, cable, battery, box Mar 29 16:52:54 koen - What battery? ;) Mar 29 16:53:05 What box? ;) Mar 29 16:53:25 the lunchbox Mar 29 16:53:41 $200 is just the board Mar 29 16:53:47 Isn't it? Mar 29 16:54:38 oh Mar 29 16:55:35 Hmm, the $200 probably includes two years warranty? ;o) Mar 29 16:56:14 I'm not thinking I'm getting the debug board. Mar 29 16:56:38 SpeedEvil: no, the board is included in the lunchbox, which is $200 Mar 29 16:56:52 koen - What else is in the lunchbox? Mar 29 16:57:01 A shoulder-strap! Mar 29 16:57:35 board/battery/charger/fpc/cable Mar 29 16:57:48 neologics.pdf, page 42 Mar 29 16:57:48 SpeedEvil - For the "mobile {phone unbricking service}"? ;o) Mar 29 16:57:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_much.3F Mar 29 16:58:06 Hacker’s Mar 29 16:58:06 Lunchbox Mar 29 16:58:06 Development Board Mar 29 16:58:07 Battery Mar 29 16:58:07 Compact Charger for Development Board Mar 29 16:58:07 FPC Mar 29 16:58:09 Shoulder Strap Mar 29 16:58:11 USB A-B Mar 29 16:58:13 US$200 Mar 29 16:58:20 Huh. Mar 29 16:58:23 $200 is included in the box? Mar 29 16:58:27 Like a rebate? Mar 29 16:58:28 :) Mar 29 16:58:34 SpeedEvil - Cool! Mar 29 16:58:45 lol Mar 29 16:58:46 The debug board v2 does not need a battery. So why the battery?! Mar 29 16:59:00 battery for the phone maybe? Mar 29 16:59:13 The phone already comes with battery I hope. Mar 29 16:59:14 I'm hoping that I won't brick it - if I do, I might buy one. Mar 29 16:59:19 spare Mar 29 16:59:20 ? Mar 29 16:59:39 you buying a v1 SpeedEvil? Mar 29 16:59:46 Yes. Mar 29 16:59:49 nice Mar 29 16:59:54 * init_alx is debating and debating it Mar 29 17:00:05 I want it for helping with OSM more. Mar 29 17:00:12 And working on [[expansion back]] Mar 29 17:00:32 Right, I want it for osm too. ;) Mar 29 17:01:43 Where are you doing? Mar 29 17:02:21 * SpeedEvil has sketched out east glenrothes, Fife, and the A92. Mar 29 17:02:35 And hundreds of damn roundabouts. Mar 29 17:03:05 SpeedEvil - Europe/Germany/hessen/near-Frankfurt (FFM) Mar 29 17:03:18 Scotland. Mar 29 17:03:20 OSM sounds so cool Mar 29 17:03:41 I used to live 4 miles from the nearest road :) Mar 29 17:04:24 I wonder what would happen if the released phones went out with GPS tracelog uploading as a turn-offable option. Mar 29 17:04:54 angry people with big gprs bills Mar 29 17:04:59 hahahahaha Mar 29 17:05:16 I was meaning setup so only sends on 'free' internet. Mar 29 17:05:21 lol Mar 29 17:05:41 a lot of media attention for a 'spyware' phone Mar 29 17:05:46 speaking of that Mar 29 17:05:57 openmoko should have some sort of security system, no/ Mar 29 17:06:09 like, regulate access to GPS, GPRS, etc Mar 29 17:06:32 IMO - put it in big letters. "do you want to help with mapping the world" and anonymise and delay by several weeks the tracklogs. Mar 29 17:06:57 No, it's not perfect, but lots of tracklogs helps. Mar 29 17:07:21 Even if they don't upload points. Mar 29 17:07:27 err - names Mar 29 17:07:33 eeew Mar 29 17:07:42 my phone was just FOTA'd Mar 29 17:15:46 openmoko: 03thomas * r1553 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokoui/ (moko-dialog.c moko-dialog.h): Mar 29 17:15:46 openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokoui/moko-dialog.c: Mar 29 17:15:46 openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokoui/moko-dialog.h: Mar 29 17:15:46 openmoko: - Expose more API in the header Mar 29 17:15:46 openmoko: - Move button box to the top of the window Mar 29 17:15:48 openmoko: - Ensure correct styling is applied to dialog buttons Mar 29 17:25:52 counter Mar 29 17:25:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 18:34:07 (7.774 +-7.0 days) (673,131) Mar 29 17:50:02 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] [[FAQ]] Mar 29 18:02:02 Hi =) Mar 29 18:27:09 Dodji_: go out, get some chicks instead of sitting all day with computer Mar 29 18:49:40 how do you launch a terminal? Mar 29 18:49:52 A CRTapult. Mar 29 18:50:40 it's an LCD ;) Mar 29 18:51:42 hrw, :-) Mar 29 18:52:11 i can't seem to find any way to launch the rxvt and there's no getty's on serials anymore Mar 29 18:52:59 balrog-kun: connect via usbnet and create .desktop file for rxvt Mar 29 18:53:45 ouch Mar 29 18:54:09 under angstrom I just install gpe-terminal :D Mar 29 18:54:38 but you need a console first so you can use ipkg :P Mar 29 18:54:40 cu all Mar 29 18:56:46 anybody got a thinkpad t60? Mar 29 19:10:40 i'm wondering if people will shut up when we get wifi Mar 29 19:10:46 or then start pestering about 11n Mar 29 19:11:28 wi-hype Mar 29 19:11:53 neo is doomed without 11n Mar 29 19:16:09 What's 11n? Mar 29 19:18:18 elevenization Mar 29 19:18:37 802.11n Mar 29 19:19:41 turn it up to 11 Mar 29 19:21:08 pH5 - Hi! Mar 29 19:21:35 it's the process of turning japanese people into elevens, hence stripping them of their nationality and just identifying them by numbers Mar 29 19:23:08 pH5: was it you that were running freeciv on your neo? Mar 29 19:23:42 Vegar - Yes, he was it. And I like that. :) Mar 29 19:24:01 was it playable? Mar 29 19:25:12 Vegar: sure, I expect with a big map the computer turns get a bit slow after a while, but it's perfectly playable. Mar 29 19:25:37 cool Mar 29 19:25:59 how would chat work? Mar 29 19:26:12 (noting the fact that there's no keyboard) Mar 29 19:26:25 Vegar: voice chat via gsm ;) Mar 29 19:26:40 Vegar - Using on-screen keyboard? ;o) Mar 29 19:27:08 Elrond: wouldn't that take up much of the screen? Mar 29 19:27:16 or is it transparent and can sit on top of other apps? Mar 29 19:28:08 I think, it can be enabled / disabled at need. Mar 29 19:29:23 pH5 - Looking at your battery testing pages: Did you try some battery lifetime tests? Like "with cpu in idle, backlight on", etc? Mar 29 19:31:40 Elrond: on my p0 the discharge time averages around 20000 seconds with backlight at full brightness and cpu idle at 200MHz (but reading battvolt values and writing them to mmc every 10 seconds). Mar 29 19:31:49 I didn't measure for other conditions than that. Mar 29 19:32:58 5.5 hours.. Mar 29 19:34:14 Vegar: that's in no way indicative for normal use. on the one hand you won't use full display brightness all the time and we'll get cpufreq scaling, on the other hand I didn't have the GPS/GSM/bluetooth chips enabled. Mar 29 19:35:07 so P1 will do more? Mar 29 19:35:31 pH5, but 4 hours using phone functionality should be realistic, wouldnt it? Mar 29 19:39:02 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Uplinked]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973/de]] [[Neo1973]] Mar 29 19:41:28 Vegar, thomasg_: I would expect so. look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Power_Management#Approximate_power_draw_of_various_subsystems and estimate :) Mar 29 19:42:21 pH5 - Can you put your 20ksec number somewhere near that? Or on the p0 review page? Mar 29 19:42:28 in p0 the display and backlight is always on during doing a call, correct? Mar 29 19:43:57 openmoko: 03thomas * r1554 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/openmoko-dialog-demo/ (. Makefile moko-dialog-test.c): * Add an example program to test MokoDialog Mar 29 19:44:06 thomasg_: afaik yes. I didn't use it for calls much, though. Mar 29 19:44:10 Elrond: will do Mar 29 19:44:11 hehe Mar 29 19:45:09 well, it would save much energy to turn the display of when making a call. a sensor like it will be in the apple hypePhone would be good Mar 29 19:46:49 but it would be enough if the display turns off automatically 5 secs after starting a call and turns on on touch Mar 29 19:47:49 I wonder, how we can make the first touch only turn on the backlight, but not count as a click. Mar 29 19:48:21 Elrond: screensaver Mar 29 19:48:42 Ahh. :-) Mar 29 19:48:58 openmoko: 03laforge * r1555 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (4 files): Mar 29 19:48:58 openmoko: * split smdk2440 patch into s3c2440 and smdk2440 related part Mar 29 19:48:59 openmoko: * implement 2K page size nand steppingstone (untested) Mar 29 19:49:05 I am completely ignorant on the screensaver ear ;) Mar 29 19:49:34 But it's the right thing. It can turn of the backlight, turn of the lcd, and sleep until clicked. Mar 29 19:50:41 Hi balrog-k1n Mar 29 19:51:22 so that's the cpu we'll get Mar 29 19:51:26 niiiice Mar 29 19:51:44 I'm really looking forward to get a p1 device, though I'm not a programmer :) Mar 29 19:52:02 * buz thinks he waits for summer Mar 29 19:52:23 counter Mar 29 19:52:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 16:07:36 (7.672 +-7.0 days) (674,131) Mar 29 19:52:36 dont want to wait any longer :) Mar 29 19:52:52 well faster cpu and very likely WiFi Mar 29 19:53:01 ormight buy both Mar 29 19:53:38 openmoko: 03laforge * r1556 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: add hxd8 and smdk2440 to list of u-boot builds Mar 29 19:54:03 in comparison to the most windows mobile phones the cpu seems weak, but I really think the software can compensate the lack of power :) Mar 29 19:54:59 htc uses quite a lot of s3c2440 i think Mar 29 19:55:25 imho the biggest limitation is the lack of some hardware keys Mar 29 19:55:31 yeah Mar 29 19:55:35 some more wouldnt hurt Mar 29 19:56:00 Thomasg: Yes, The neo aint the most beefy phone, but who cares, when it will have a gps, not be locked down, possibly wifi and a super community making all the apps you'd ever wonder Mar 29 19:56:00 yes, 4 softkeys would be definately great Mar 29 19:56:37 actually the neo1973 was designed to keep the costs down and demo the software Mar 29 19:56:42 MortenLysgaard, I do not buy the neo because its the best phone on the market. I'll buy it, because its the freest phone on the market :) Mar 29 19:56:54 I think missing keys can be counterbalanced by a well thought-out ui much more easily than the missing cpu power. Mar 29 19:57:22 ipkg install cpu-boost ramdefrag Mar 29 19:57:25 well, maybe in phase2 we can get "multitouch" :) Mar 29 19:57:31 no Mar 29 19:57:33 tho Mar 29 19:57:34 but maybe in 2008 Mar 29 19:57:40 thomasg_ Mar 29 19:57:54 Sorry Mar 29 19:58:05 thomasg_: even today you are are free to touch(1) as often as you want Mar 29 19:58:27 it's quite annoying to switch between a 624MHz PXA with QVGA screen and a 266MHz Samsung with VGA. Always something to complain :) Mar 29 19:58:36 thomasg: that's it, th moko spirit =D Mar 29 19:58:36 openmoko: 03laforge * r1557 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch: HXD8 has sdram parameters similar to GTA01 (10bit) Mar 29 19:58:46 pH5: X-forwarding! Mar 29 19:59:07 pH5: i used to forward all apps from h5550 to c700 Mar 29 19:59:08 ah right, and the magician doesn't have bluetooth 2.0 Mar 29 19:59:12 and there is some more I am missing in the neo: EDGE/EGPRS Mar 29 19:59:20 LaF0rge: ping (I will be around around a bit) Mar 29 19:59:21 it definately would be the best device if it had EDGE Mar 29 19:59:33 maybe with a mini-usb to mini-usb cable I can plug them both together. Mar 29 20:00:28 thomasg_: the problem with edge is that it doesn't give you better rtts or jitter, also only few networks deploy it unfortunately Mar 29 20:00:39 thomasg_ : Well, then you are a licky one, here in Norway, where i live, the gprs prices are horrific, cant even toutch a webpage without paying 3-4 euros Mar 29 20:02:27 -.- Mar 29 20:02:34 in germany it is very expensive, too Mar 29 20:02:59 but for 5€ per month you can check your mails daily and surf to google, check for prices, tickets, ... Mar 29 20:03:01 Why you want to use it then? Mar 29 20:03:15 well, for me its free :) Mar 29 20:03:28 What? Mar 29 20:03:43 my employer pays my phone bills Mar 29 20:04:27 theres also one provider in germany who has an gprs/umts flatrate for about 60 € per month Mar 29 20:04:29 You lucky bastard :P As a poor student i don't have a penny to spare :S Mar 29 20:04:48 hehe Mar 29 20:04:58 thomasg_: 25 Eur at BASE Mar 29 20:05:20 stefan_schmidt, + 25 for phone flat, correct? Mar 29 20:05:39 so 50 per month, but inter-provider calls/sms and gprs/umts for free Mar 29 20:05:48 thomasg_: Yes. So you refer with your price not only to UMTS flat. Mar 29 20:06:00 k Mar 29 20:06:11 didnt know the exact price Mar 29 20:06:32 counter Mar 29 20:06:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 15:53:27 (7.662 +-7.0 days) (675,131) Mar 29 20:06:37 thomasg_: 25 + 25 atm. There where times with 20 +20 Mar 29 20:07:03 well, we'll see how long until aldi buys e-plus :) Mar 29 20:07:18 *g* Mar 29 20:07:24 they dont Mar 29 20:07:28 heh Mar 29 20:07:41 well, your right woglinde aldi wont. but maybe some others :) Mar 29 20:08:33 since e-plus sold their infrastructure to alcatel/lucent they shouldnt be very expensive. Mar 29 20:09:06 but it doesnt matter: in 2009 there will be only 2 providers in germany Mar 29 20:09:38 or better: 2 carriers and 20 providers Mar 29 20:20:16 a week +/- a week. So we might already have one. :) Mar 29 20:20:31 * ebel looks in pockets. :( No. Mar 29 20:22:52 * rwhitby wonders what HXD8 is ... Mar 29 20:27:18 rwhitby: judging from uboot patches a s3c2410 phone with gps Mar 29 20:27:27 made by FIC Mar 29 20:27:36 hiya Elrond Mar 29 20:27:40 sorry, was away Mar 29 20:28:26 * balrog-kun wonders what's the HXD8 Mar 29 20:28:41 koen: wonder if the "X" alludes to i.MX ... Mar 29 20:28:54 rwhitby: not according to the uboot patches..... Mar 29 20:29:01 oh, right. Mar 29 20:29:30 oh, I see now - it's just an internal identifier (GTA01->HXD8) Mar 29 20:29:50 but there have been s3c2440 patches Mar 29 20:29:56 hxd8_config : unconfig Mar 29 20:29:57 + @$(MKCONFIG) $(@:_config=) arm arm920t hxd8 NULL s3c24x0 Mar 29 20:30:09 buz: patches for the smdk2440 board Mar 29 20:30:20 I suspect the cpu upgrade will be a 2440 Mar 29 20:30:26 rwhitby: i.mx would be nice, though Mar 29 20:30:26 exactly Mar 29 20:30:36 imx would be nearly killer Mar 29 20:30:57 imx+qwerty+cam would be ;) Mar 29 20:31:09 http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch?rev=1557&view=auto Mar 29 20:31:20 screw qwerty Mar 29 20:31:36 If I want qwerty, I'll get a BT keyboard Mar 29 20:33:54 and a webcam for cam ;) Mar 29 20:34:02 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973/de]] Mar 29 20:35:42 hxd8 seems to be smdk2410 board, running at up to 400MHz, with 128MB ram, 640x480 screen. Mar 29 20:36:03 perhaps this is v1+ hardware refresh Mar 29 20:37:30 400mhz sounds good Mar 29 20:37:41 rwhitby: that's very likely Mar 29 20:37:55 mhh s3c2440 can run at upto 533 Mar 29 20:38:05 (but that probably sucks too much battery) Mar 29 20:38:45 well, it mostly will run at a much lower frequency Mar 29 20:38:58 but having the power if necessary is cool. Mar 29 20:39:32 heh - having access to the internal commit logs is *much* easier than looking for FCC filings :-) Mar 29 20:39:49 (for getting details of new hardware) Mar 29 20:41:12 mickey|hri: g_date_compare(innere_uhr, g_date_new_dmy(BAD_DAY,BAD_MONTH,BAD_YEAR)); gotta love glib Mar 29 21:11:37 openmoko: 03laforge * r1558 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (hxd8-core.patch s3c2410_fb-truecolor.patch series): Mar 29 21:11:37 openmoko: * add support for the HXD8 hardware Mar 29 21:11:37 openmoko: * add a patch that supposedly should add 24bpp support to s3c2410 fb, but which is still broken Mar 29 21:11:37 openmoko: (patch is not activated in 'series' yet) Mar 29 21:12:54 openmoko: 03mickey * r1559 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.20.2-fic-gta01: statically enable led driver Mar 29 21:14:27 openmoko: 03mickey * r1560 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01_2.6.20.2.bb: add vibrator.patch Mar 29 21:14:40 openmoko: 03mickey * r1561 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/gta01-vibrator.patch: add vibrator patch Mar 29 21:15:06 openmoko: 03mickey * r1562 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add defconfig and recipe for 2.6.20.3 and 2.6.20.4 Mar 29 21:15:18 openmoko: 03mickey * r1563 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/gta01-kernel_2.6.bb: update to 2.6.20.4 Mar 29 21:16:53 openmoko: 03mickey * r1564 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.20.4-fic-gta01: add HXD8 support to defconfig Mar 29 21:17:51 mickey is on the roll Mar 29 21:21:45 openmoko: 03laforge * r1565 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.20.4-fic-gta01: * add smdk2440 support Mar 29 21:25:14 Hiz! Mar 29 21:25:16 counter Mar 29 21:25:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 14:34:43 (7.607 +-7.0 days) (676,131) Mar 29 21:25:25 a week! Mar 29 21:27:45 yes Mar 29 21:30:06 mickey|hri: portmap failed again, it is time to put a md5sum in the SRC_URI. uboot fails to do_install Mar 29 21:53:26 hi Mar 29 22:03:57 openmoko: 03mickey * r1566 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (6 files): oe/linux: add linux-gta01.inc and simplify concrete recipes Mar 29 22:24:02 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] [[Calendar]] Mar 29 22:38:46 hmm, the Mobile Developer Days 2007 looks interesting. Especially to show companies the FOSS view of it. Mar 29 22:41:15 stefan_schmidt - Have you started to look at osm apps on the neo yet? Mar 29 22:41:56 Elrond: Not yet, no time. Hacking kernel all day. Sorry. :( Mar 29 22:42:19 Okay. Any progress on the g_serial thingy? Mar 29 22:42:24 Elrond: Once the images get more stable and we have gps I definitly take a look. Mar 29 22:42:56 Elrond: I stopped g_serial for now. Working on fb, LCM and usb power configs right now. Mar 29 22:43:15 Ahh. :-)) power configs are good. :) Mar 29 22:43:34 Elrond: As usb power configs, #260, should be mostly fixed now. Back to fb. Mar 29 22:44:07 stefan_schmidt - I tried to split maemo-mapper.c into some parts, but that's heavy stuff. Everything depends on everything it seems. I'll pribably send -- what I have -- as a bug/patch upstream and see, what's going to happen about it. Mar 29 22:45:06 Elrond: You mean to split function and toolkit/GUI? Would be nice to have maemo-mapper. Especially with OSM support. Mar 29 22:45:53 stefan_schmidt - maemo-mapper currently is one (in letters: O N E) 455k big .c file. I have no idea, how they can maintain that. Mar 29 22:46:26 Elrond: ouch. Sometimes we should not take a look at apps that work. ;) Mar 29 22:46:41 Hi pavelm! :) Mar 29 22:47:27 stefan_schmidt - Yep. I have stopped looking at many projects for that reasons. And a few I don't use exactly for that reason. Mar 29 22:48:10 Elrond: That's why I stopped using mplayer. Just grep in it for FIXME/F**K/HACK :) Mar 29 22:48:34 hehe. :-) Mar 29 22:48:51 Hi, Elrond Mar 29 22:49:19 stefan: You probably should stop using linux ;-) Mar 29 22:49:47 pavelm: Right. :) Mar 29 22:50:11 pavelm: Would be funny to have a FIXME/HACK vs. LOC ratio. :) Mar 29 22:51:04 stefan: Well, some people are just more honest than others :-) Mar 29 22:51:06 hihi :-) Mar 29 22:51:27 pavelm - And a few even write useful code. :) Mar 29 22:51:45 I remember "lp0: on fire" message actually printed to users. It scared few people :-) Mar 29 22:51:54 heh Mar 29 22:51:55 Anyway, is there something new? Mar 29 22:52:07 ...like binary packages I could use to make openmoko call? Mar 29 22:52:21 pavelm - Except us talking behind your back about phone-tui? ;o) Mar 29 22:52:33 It's always a dance between hacker fun and user experience. :) Mar 29 22:52:44 =) Mar 29 22:52:44 Elrond :-) Mar 29 22:53:03 * CoreDump|home should probably update his rootfs Mar 29 22:53:03 Elrond: actually rxvt has some features (built-in-menu-support) that probably could be used to make tui/mutt usable. Mar 29 22:53:18 ...just user experience will be ... ugly. Mar 29 22:53:19 :-) Mar 29 22:53:23 pavelm: Have you tried the latest openmoko-devel-image jffs2? Mar 29 22:53:35 stefan: No, where can I find it? Mar 29 22:53:42 pavelm - Does phone-tui work on the neo? Except of course the "user experience"? Mar 29 22:53:44 pavelm: I know they work a lot on calling in the default image Mar 29 22:53:57 pavelm: On the buildhost. moment Mar 29 22:54:25 stefan: Actually .tar.gz would be prefered. I don't know how to flash the moko, yet... booting from sd card works just fine. Mar 29 22:54:58 pavelm: look for dfu-util in the wiki :) Mar 29 22:55:33 pavelm: You can find all the stuff here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ Mar 29 22:55:44 rtp; Yes, I can probably learn to flash. I'd just prefer not to brick my moko, yet. Mar 29 22:55:46 pavelm: jffs, tar.gz, kernel... Mar 29 22:56:06 pavelm: You can falsh all but uboot without risk Mar 29 22:56:39 Assuming your u-boot can be made to boot into the usb-console. :) Mar 29 22:56:45 I guess 03.27 versions are prefered. Mar 29 22:57:13 Eh, openmoo allows you to lock improperly inserted sim card, and to lock improperly inserted sd card. Mar 29 22:57:16 ...that should be fixed. Mar 29 22:57:22 pavelm: Always the latest. Dev life is bleeding edge. ;) Mar 29 22:58:02 pavelm: The sim/sd card holder is a mess. Needs to be replaced completly IMHO Mar 29 22:58:41 Has anyone filed a bug for that / posted to some ML / posted to Sean? Mar 29 22:59:17 (not me) Mar 29 22:59:54 pavelm: openmoo, eh? I didn't know I was open source... Mar 29 23:00:14 Moo^ - We opensourced your dna yesterday ;o) Mar 29 23:00:51 Moo^: and I'm preparing a patch, so be sure to backup yourself. Mar 29 23:02:17 * Moo^ emails Elrond few petabytes of nucleid sequences Mar 29 23:02:35 Moo 1.01 - now with more McSauce! Mar 29 23:02:47 ;o) Mar 29 23:04:38 moo^: actually I guess DnA is opensource by default; at least copyright holder is not anywhere near :-) Mar 29 23:04:38 moo^: actually human dna is about one cd. Mar 29 23:04:42 Hmm, so the bv04 probably also has the weak sd/sim holders... Mar 29 23:07:12 pavelm: sorry to tear your dream to pieces, but at least *my* DNA contains patented sequences! Mar 29 23:07:31 pavelm: compressed? no more? I really don't believe it. Mar 29 23:08:06 Moo^: So you need to move out of US. Mar 29 23:08:31 well, I am in Finland already ;) Mar 29 23:08:32 Moo^ compressed, IIRC. Mar 29 23:08:58 Moo^: It is available for download somewhere. Of course, _your_ dDNA will be slightly different, but... Mar 29 23:08:59 you need just two bits to present all four DNA nucleoacids Mar 29 23:09:04 but I still don't believe it Mar 29 23:09:15 wikipedia, enlight me Mar 29 23:13:43 should I file the bugzilla for crappy simcard/minisd card holder? Mar 29 23:15:04 Moo^: What does wikipedia say? Mar 29 23:19:15 pavelm - If there is no bugzilla for it: Yes, please. Mar 29 23:20:25 pavelm - Or first ask on the community-ML maybe. :) Mar 29 23:21:24 Wikipedia needs a wikipedian to add this crucial piece of info Mar 29 23:21:43 elrond: I'm not subscribed to any list :-( Mar 29 23:22:16 pavelm - Huh. :-) Mar 29 23:22:50 elrond: I'm on way too many lists already :-( Mar 29 23:23:22 pavelm - Oh, I know, what you mean. :-) Mar 29 23:24:24 Hmm, there's no generic hardware sub-category in the neo hardware cat... Mar 29 23:24:29 (I mean bugzilla) Mar 29 23:25:19 nite Mar 29 23:25:31 Night zecke_ Mar 29 23:25:38 elrond: i just filed it into gsm modem... bug 329. Mar 29 23:25:46 pavelm - :-) Mar 29 23:29:01 pavelm - http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=312 Mar 29 23:30:07 Moo^: Human genome is at http://hgdownload.cse.ucsc.edu/goldenPath/hg18/bigZips/ . Mar 29 23:30:15 Moo^: feel free to update wikipedia. Mar 29 23:39:27 stefan: wow, new version seems almost usable :-) Mar 29 23:39:52 pavelm: exactly. :) We are going forward to P1. :) Mar 29 23:40:15 stefan: I can do a call... but what do I have to do to hear anything? Mar 29 23:41:13 alsa settings? Same as you need for tui. :) Mar 29 23:41:23 * stefan_schmidt thought this was already fixed. Mar 29 23:41:27 "Please also note that for GTA02 we will need translucent plastic with a light guide" ... Hmmm... ;) Mar 29 23:41:52 Elrond: heh, you find everthing, right? ;) Mar 29 23:42:05 stefan_schmidt - Yeah, of course. :) Mar 29 23:42:12 You guys can't hide. ;-) Mar 29 23:42:14 I tried calling w/o the headset, and that failed. Mar 29 23:42:26 translucent plastic with a light guide? Mar 29 23:42:48 Elrond: Especially not if we put it in the public bugzilla. :) Mar 29 23:43:29 pavelm - I have no idea, what a "light guide" is. Mar 29 23:43:41 ATM I know nothing about it. Just that alphaone suggested some fancy LED stuff for the case to sean at FOSDEM. Mar 29 23:43:46 stefan: It would be nice if rxvt was startable from menu... with keyboard applet on top, I actually could run that alsamixer manually. Mar 29 23:43:54 stefan_schmidt - Well, your fault. ;) Mar 29 23:43:55 elrond: which bug? Mar 29 23:44:23 pavelm - #300 (nice bug id heh) Mar 29 23:44:59 pavelm: I think we need a desktop file for it. Just ping alphaone or mickey|hri. Mar 29 23:45:07 not as good as bug #666 or #1337 Mar 29 23:45:12 pavelm - Comment #8. Mar 29 23:45:22 when we get to them Mar 29 23:45:59 init_alx: 666 for sure Mar 29 23:46:20 init_alx: 1337 also. It's a long term project Mar 29 23:47:40 stefan_schmidt: :) Mar 29 23:47:55 They probably want to put led under the AUX button. Mar 29 23:48:21 Yep. Mar 29 23:48:57 No, I'm not able to do outgoing call. Mar 29 23:49:04 ...it says calling, but I can't hear anything. Mar 29 23:49:44 Is the other side ringing? Mar 29 23:50:28 elrond: Good question. I was calling 800-number. Mar 29 23:50:34 pavelm: hmm, no idea. Saturday alphaone, mickey|hri and me has a session to get it all in place. The image should be ready out-of-the-box afterwards. Mar 29 23:51:36 pavelm - In 12 hours I'm in my office, you can then call me there. ;o) (I promise not to take the call. :-) ) Mar 29 23:51:51 stefan: it looks way better than it did before, anyway. Thanks; I'll play a bit more. Mar 29 23:52:02 elrond: That's okay, I have enough numbers to play with. Mar 29 23:52:56 anyway, time to sleep. night all Mar 29 23:52:57 pavelm - I was mostly joking. :) Mar 29 23:53:05 Night stefan_schmidt :) Mar 29 23:54:18 Good night! Mar 29 23:57:06 night stefan_schmidt Mar 29 23:57:13 Looking only at the sd/sim holder and button bugs, I guess, I want a v05. ;o) Mar 30 00:01:10 Night people. :) Mar 30 00:15:04 Elrond: It did not dial at the other side. Mar 30 00:15:10 ...will debug that later. Mar 30 00:15:13 good night! Mar 30 01:10:52 hrr, we got half way through dfu nand upload, u-boot turned the phone off, and we can't get it back up :/ Mar 30 01:11:00 openocd says to check JTAG connection. Mar 30 01:11:32 cjb: unplug/replug usb cable to phone and debug board Mar 30 01:11:38 turn phone back on Mar 30 01:11:52 start again, and press the AUX button every now and then if you're being slow :-) Mar 30 01:14:21 rwhitby: done all that, nothing seems to get me JTAG back. Mar 30 01:14:35 sometimes when I hit the power button the screen flashes white for like 200ms Mar 30 01:14:42 never get anything over serial, from uboot Mar 30 01:41:07 Hey all. Anyone have an OpenMoko phone? Mar 30 01:41:08 Speedy2: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 30 01:59:48 hm, I'm getting the partial openmoko splash screen Mar 30 02:00:00 but even now, jtag isn't working, openocd says Mar 30 02:00:07 Error: jtag.c:1181 jtag_examine_chain(): JTAG communication failure, check connection, JTAG interface, target power etc. Mar 30 02:00:10 so how can I proceed? Mar 30 02:06:28 Im from Brazil, how to I do to buy fic1973? Mar 30 02:06:29 phpaprendiz: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 30 02:27:59 counter Mar 30 02:28:00 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week 09:32:00 (7.397 +-7.0 days) (677,131) Mar 30 02:28:41 huh, u-boot prints "poweroff" and shuts down the phone straight away Mar 30 02:33:31 cjb: it's not a low battery charge is it? Mar 30 02:34:29 when I got into that situation, I put a jumper across pins 15 and 16 on the jtag jumper (which is the reset button) and let it charge for a couple of hours Mar 30 02:34:57 you really need a full battery before attempting flashing or openocd Mar 30 02:42:10 rwhitby: I was powering it externally, so didn't think the battery mattered. Mar 30 02:42:24 but I looked at u-boot code, and it turns out it only does the poweroff if you aren't holding down the power button Mar 30 02:42:50 so I did that, and it booted, but now it's sitting at the kernel saying "hub: Cannot enable port 1. Maybe the USB cable is bad?" Mar 30 02:42:53 and not doing anything Mar 30 02:43:17 cjb: powering externally doesn't help if the battery is low, cause the charging circuit only kicks in at 100mA by default unless you tell it to fast charge in u-boot or you get into linux userland Mar 30 02:43:45 rwhitby: the battery wasn't inserted. Mar 30 02:44:12 I had an adjustable power supply attached to the battery clips. Mar 30 02:44:16 ah Mar 30 02:44:31 scratch everything I've said above then :-) Mar 30 02:44:47 next thing would be seating of the FPC then Mar 30 02:44:47 :) Mar 30 02:44:54 ooh. what's the FPC? Mar 30 02:45:10 the flexible plastic cable Mar 30 02:45:21 hm, what's that got to do with usb? Mar 30 02:45:24 ("Flexible Printed Cable/Circuit") Mar 30 02:45:31 oh, or you mean as the reason it was powering off? Mar 30 02:45:45 no, the reason that jtag wasn't working Mar 30 02:45:51 the cable must be working, because I get serial over it Mar 30 02:46:15 but the serial and jtag are over different lines on the FPC Mar 30 02:46:42 one guy had a single bent pin on the FPC connector which was stuffing everything up Mar 30 02:46:51 ooh. Mar 30 02:47:08 are you running devirginator to control all this? Mar 30 02:47:26 (oh, and the FPC connectors apparently only have a rated life of 20 insertions or something) Mar 30 02:51:19 wasn't it koen talking about having issues with his FPC connector only after like 3 insertions ? Mar 30 02:51:39 anyways, seems to be really fragile. Mar 30 02:53:20 yeah, using devirginator. it all succeeded, eventually, but I get the kernel hang I just mentioned at the end. Mar 30 02:54:10 kernel hang or u-boot hang? Mar 30 02:55:00 let's check some basic things: you're using the gta01_B_v3 version of everything right? (some people have got caught by using the gta01v3 without the 'b') **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 30 02:59:56 2007