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Apr 01 03:54:46 <rwhitby> I will probably use offline IMAP for mail syncing.
Apr 01 03:55:42 <rwhitby> (then you can do it via usbnet or bluetooth at home or work for free, or over GPRS if it's an emergency or you're on the road.
Apr 01 05:52:08 <dilinger> *blink*
Apr 01 05:52:13 <dilinger> we're using dynticks?
Apr 01 06:01:14 * _sj| is only here because he hates freedom
Apr 01 06:01:27 * _sj| looks around for neuralis for support
Apr 01 06:04:36 <dilinger> for a freedom hater, you spend a lot of time endorsing freedom
Apr 01 06:05:58 <_sj|> I embrace freedom; I just want to extend it to include the freedom to be closed. 
Apr 01 06:06:50 <dilinger> maybe you should've gone to the microsoft meetings, rather than mako
Apr 01 06:07:02 <_sj|> oh, isn't this #openmirco?
Apr 01 06:07:03 <aloril> _sj|: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Apr 01 06:07:31 <_sj|> thanks aloril.  I see now the error in my ways.
Apr 01 06:08:33 <smithbone> cjb: ping
Apr 01 06:16:39 <don-o> counter
Apr 01 06:16:39 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 02:51:40 (6.119 +-6.1 days) (703,134)
Apr 01 06:21:04 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/ru]]
Apr 01 07:07:24 <dilinger> is there a root password on the new images?
Apr 01 07:08:52 <dilinger> ssh'ing in over usb0 doesn't seem to accept a password of ''
Apr 01 07:09:23 <dilinger> grr.  nm, figured it out
Apr 01 08:24:09 <Rakshasa> counter
Apr 01 08:24:09 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 01:47:55 (6.075 +-6.1 days) (704,135)
Apr 01 08:28:58 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1589 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: * switch off power supplies that are not needed during SUSPEND
Apr 01 08:29:30 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1590 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: * correctly fill in pcf50606 platform data (for voltage limits and SUSPEND configuration)
Apr 01 08:48:56 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1591 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: introduce cfg_pmu_vrail() function, fix compile issue and saves code length
Apr 01 08:54:07 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1592 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: respect maximum values indicated int pcf50606 platform data
Apr 01 09:12:04 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine
Apr 01 10:27:28 <Elrond> counter
Apr 01 10:27:29 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 00:46:15 (6.032 +-6.0 days) (705,135)
Apr 01 10:30:47 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1593 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/data/ (Makefile.am Message.png): openmoko-messages: add desktop icon for Messages
Apr 01 10:33:30 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1594 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/data/openmoko-messages.desktop: openmoko-messages: add .desktop file
Apr 01 10:33:37 <mickey|brunswick> cheers guy
Apr 01 10:33:38 <mickey|brunswick> s
Apr 01 10:35:49 <koen> mickey|brunswick: You can speed up drawing on openmoko by removing pixmaps from e.g. menus and the background
Apr 01 10:35:58 <koen> mickey|brunswick: but I guess that would be a no-no for p2?
Apr 01 10:36:44 <mickey|brunswick> I'm afraid so, yeah. I'm already doing more compromises wrt theming than the designer allows
Apr 01 10:36:48 <mickey|brunswick> but fear not
Apr 01 10:36:53 <mickey|brunswick> P2 will be fast enough for our theme
Apr 01 10:37:05 <koen> but not p0 and p1
Apr 01 10:37:27 <koen> mickey|brunswick: on my 600MHz pxa270 with 200MHz bus speed drawing is slow
Apr 01 10:37:41 <koen> (but waaaaaaaay faster as on the neo)
Apr 01 10:40:16 <koen> mickey|brunswick: I think gtk needs a fast-path for size(SRC) == size(DEST)
Apr 01 10:40:18 <Vegar> does the wall outlet charger use the USB protocol in any way, or does it just supply +5V and ground?
Apr 01 10:40:34 <koen> I suspect it will still scale them with fp math if sizes match
Apr 01 10:41:07 <mickey|brunswick> koen: yeah, sounds likely
Apr 01 10:41:33 <mickey|brunswick> we added a couple of theming bugs lately
Apr 01 10:41:44 <mickey|brunswick> also some wrt to performance
Apr 01 10:41:52 <mickey|brunswick> i.e. all our images are 24-bit IIRC
Apr 01 10:42:27 <koen> heh
Apr 01 10:42:35 <koen> that explains all the banding
Apr 01 10:50:15 <Elrond> Hi mickey|brunswick!
Apr 01 10:50:46 <Elrond> Reminds me to recheck the gps gpio bug... Will do this afternoon.
Apr 01 10:52:06 <quickdev> counter
Apr 01 10:52:07 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 6 days 00:33:56 (6.024 +-6.0 days) (706,135)
Apr 01 10:53:25 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1595 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/ (data/Makefile.am src/main.c): openmoko-messages: remove bogus double declaration
Apr 01 10:57:49 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1596 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (16 files): openmoko-messages: remove bogus windows line endings, fix build error. closes #333
Apr 01 11:05:27 <mmp> Hello, I've just read few mailing list archives - is it possible that P2 will also include camera? Replies in mailing list were positive, but real actions were taken just for wifi...
Apr 01 11:06:01 <koen> mmp: highly unlikely
Apr 01 11:06:04 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Wehttamb]] [[Buying_Interest_List]]
Apr 01 11:06:15 <koen> it would require a case redesign
Apr 01 11:06:47 <mmp> ... or let users to drill a hole to an suitable point in the case:)
Apr 01 11:06:51 <mmp> koen: thanks:)
Apr 01 11:07:23 <guaqua> i guess a camera would require just a bit more than a hole in the case :/
Apr 01 11:07:48 <mmp> yes, I was just joking:)
Apr 01 11:08:00 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1597 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta01-core.patch gta01-pcf50606.patch): 
Apr 01 11:08:00 <CIA-16> openmoko: * add a callback to the pcf50606 platform data
Apr 01 11:08:00 <CIA-16> openmoko: * call that callback whenever accessory detection is hit
Apr 01 11:08:00 <CIA-16> openmoko: * implement this callback in gta01 to enable/disable fast charge in >= GTA01Bv4
Apr 01 11:08:00 <CIA-16> openmoko: * some further code cleanup of pcf50606
Apr 01 11:09:35 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1598 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: * fix typo (MN is minute, MT is month), spotted by Matt Hsu
Apr 01 11:09:36 <roh> morning zecke 
Apr 01 11:12:51 <zecke> moin
Apr 01 11:13:21 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1599 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/data/ (Makefile.am RSS.png openmoko-rssreader.desktop): openmoko-rssreader: add .desktop file and icon
Apr 01 11:16:27 <roh> hmmm.. waiting for the build or breaking it off and going to the sunday-park-party?
Apr 01 11:16:31 <PBeck> tag
Apr 01 11:17:19 <zecke> mickey|zzZZzz: hehe
Apr 01 11:19:13 * mickey|brunswick votes for sunday-park-party, but is stuck doing work
Apr 01 11:20:02 <roh> propably a good idea.. i just cannot compile fast enough to keep on with laf0rge and mickey ;)
Apr 01 11:20:33 <roh> s/compile/regenerate this bb-cache .. compiling is reasonably fast *g*
Apr 01 11:21:25 <alphaone> roh: Why does regenerating bb cache take so long? Do you have psyco installed?
Apr 01 11:21:42 <roh> alphaone it takes longer than a kernelbuild.. 
Apr 01 11:21:52 <alphaone> Wow
Apr 01 11:22:02 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1600 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/data/openmoko-appmanager.desktop: openmoko-appmanager: update .desktop file
Apr 01 11:22:12 <alphaone> Takes a couple seconds for me
Apr 01 11:22:15 <roh> python-psyco is installed
Apr 01 11:23:00 <roh> alphaone after an update it takes ages counting up the 4k and some bb files
Apr 01 11:24:03 <alphaone> Usually bitbake stores a cache in build/tmp/cache/fic-gta01/bb_cache.dat
Apr 01 11:24:29 <roh> alphaone it does...  but do an make update with mokomakefile and see it does it again
Apr 01 11:25:01 <alphaone> let me check
Apr 01 11:25:30 <zecke> roh: well, it is doing a lot of git remot, svn info on remote repositories :)
Apr 01 11:26:55 <roh> zecke i really mean the bb counting up in [] brackets
Apr 01 11:28:32 <prom> roh: i didnt look at the code in bitbake yet, but it makes sense to check for the SCM status of the packages while parsing the files because the versions are needed for dependency resolution.
Apr 01 11:29:33 <roh> prom shouldn't that happen on update?
Apr 01 11:30:07 <roh> a normal rebuild should even be possible without fast connectivity at hand
Apr 01 11:30:33 <koen> so don't use make update, but do svn up yourself
Apr 01 11:30:41 <koen> it's even less work to type
Apr 01 11:30:54 <roh> *g*
Apr 01 11:31:01 <guaqua> if you don't take into account the fact that you have to be in the right dir
Apr 01 11:31:02 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1601 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (15 files): openmoko-messages: remove windows line endings and some warnings. closes #333
Apr 01 11:32:18 <greentux__> end of month changed to "couple of weeks"... mmh thats pity
Apr 01 11:33:27 <prom> roh: id agree. but thats outside of bitbake-land for now.
Apr 01 11:34:13 <roh>  .oO(you know... this is bat^wbitbake country...) *nervouslysearchingforsunglasses*
Apr 01 12:02:27 <Elrond> counter
Apr 01 12:02:28 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 23:58:46 (5.999 +-6.0 days) (707,135)
Apr 01 12:02:39 <Elrond> ;)
Apr 01 12:13:50 <Moo^^> what will happen on the day?
Apr 01 12:14:04 <Moo^^> they ship neos or they open request form?
Apr 01 12:15:18 <koen> Moo^^: check the announce mailinglist
Apr 01 13:01:03 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1602 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/ (files/session openmoko-session_svn.bb): oe/openmoko-session: start main menu applet
Apr 01 13:02:47 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1603 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c: openmoko-panel-gsm: fix crash on startup
Apr 01 13:15:08 <zecke> mickey|brunswick: openmoko-libs_svn.bb needs an update
Apr 01 13:16:25 * koen should make a "Just sync with OE" hotkey
Apr 01 13:34:11 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1604 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: 
Apr 01 13:34:11 <CIA-16> openmoko: more refined GTA01Bv4 support
Apr 01 13:34:11 <CIA-16> openmoko: * Make sure STBY_1V8 has correct voltage (rather than switching it off)
Apr 01 13:34:11 <CIA-16> openmoko: * Make CORE_1V8 dependent on PWREN2
Apr 01 13:34:12 <CIA-16> openmoko: * Activate ACD (accessory detection) for new charger handling
Apr 01 13:40:59 <Elrond> What's this ACD thingy?
Apr 01 13:41:32 <SpeedEvil> IIRC it's a function of the power managment chip, to detect a charger.
Apr 01 13:41:57 <Elrond> strange.
Apr 01 13:48:19 <CoreDump|afk> mehhhhh
Apr 01 13:48:40 * CoreDump|afk just noe realizes that today is april, 1st
Apr 01 13:50:12 <Vegar> does the wall outlet charger use the USB protocol in any way, or does it just supply +5V and ground?
Apr 01 13:50:44 <CoreDump|afk> Vegar: iirc its just a dumb charger
Apr 01 13:52:32 <kiney_> counter
Apr 01 13:52:32 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 23:03:44 (5.961 +-6.0 days) (708,135)
Apr 01 13:56:04 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[UI_Improvements]]
Apr 01 14:12:57 <antenagora> counter
Apr 01 14:12:57 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 22:53:31 (5.954 +-6.0 days) (709,135)
Apr 01 14:31:12 <Elrond> Vegar - Reading the recent stuff on the wiki / commitlogs makes me believe, that it's not a simple dumb charger, but on the other hand, it doesn't seem to implement real usb. It seems to be somewhere between. No idea, what it really is.
Apr 01 15:40:20 <Vitaly> counter
Apr 01 15:40:20 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 22:09:49 (5.923 +-5.9 days) (710,136)
Apr 01 15:51:59 <oliver> counter
Apr 01 15:52:03 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 22:03:59 (5.919 +-5.9 days) (711,137)
Apr 01 16:25:54 <fledermaus> what does the (5.919 +-5.9 days) (711,137) bit mean, exactly?
Apr 01 16:26:17 <koen> 6 days left +/- 6 days
Apr 01 16:26:26 <koen> so 6 - 12 days
Apr 01 16:28:07 <fledermaus> shouldn't that be 9±3?
Apr 01 16:28:29 <summatusmentis> counter
Apr 01 16:28:37 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 21:45:41 (5.907 +-5.9 days) (712,138)
Apr 01 16:31:36 <fledermaus> because 6 ±6 is 0-12, aiui.
Apr 01 16:32:38 <woglinde> counter
Apr 01 16:32:39 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 21:43:40 (5.905 +-5.9 days) (713,138)
Apr 01 16:33:51 <fledermaus> what about the (713,138) part, what does that mean?
Apr 01 16:34:19 <CoreDump|afk> fledermaus: pester aloril2 about it
Apr 01 16:37:42 <fledermaus> I'm just curious :)
Apr 01 16:37:51 <fledermaus> for all I know, 0-12 days is the intent.
Apr 01 16:38:11 <fledermaus> aloril2: what say you?
Apr 01 16:50:21 <aloril2> (calls,unique calls)
Apr 01 16:51:27 <fledermaus> so they're bot-stats?
Apr 01 16:52:19 <fledermaus> als, the ± issue - does it mean 0-12 days?
Apr 01 16:53:00 <aloril2> 'lower+(lower+upper)/2' +- '(upper-lower)/2'
Apr 01 16:53:24 <aloril2> lower limit is 'now' ;-)
Apr 01 16:53:32 <fledermaus> right.
Apr 01 16:54:56 <aloril2> counter call stats and differwent nicks
Apr 01 16:56:20 <fledermaus> thanks.
Apr 01 16:58:16 <PBeck> re
Apr 01 16:58:57 * aloril2 hopes upper limit is too generous
Apr 01 16:59:14 <drath> hehehe
Apr 01 16:59:37 <koen> the planet is broken :(
Apr 01 17:00:37 <pavelm> Heya, everyone.
Apr 01 17:02:24 <fledermaus> koen: it's been out of warranty ever since the k-t event, and we can't send it back anyway because we didn't keep the box it came in.
Apr 01 17:08:02 <pavelm> Ok, I'm in subway, so bye for now.
Apr 01 17:08:51 <Mandarino> his
Apr 01 17:08:59 <Mandarino> counter
Apr 01 17:08:59 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 21:25:30 (5.893 +-5.9 days) (714,138)
Apr 01 17:45:18 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1605 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm/ (27 files in 12 dirs): remove all kinds of auto-generated files that don't belong in svn
Apr 01 17:46:19 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1606 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm/ (7 files): delete some more autogenerated stuff
Apr 01 17:54:52 <peanutb> what is the state of wifi support?
Apr 01 17:55:56 <guaqua> the rumor is that there is going to be a chip in P2 device
Apr 01 17:56:05 <guaqua> other than that...no news
Apr 01 17:59:25 <peanutb> ok a bit of a stupid question, will there be infrared support?
Apr 01 17:59:48 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1607 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm/ (aclocal.m4 autom4te.cache/ config.h.in ltmain.sh): delete some more auto-generated stuff
Apr 01 18:00:23 * koen wonders what the difference is between /target/gsm and /developers/<person>/gsm/
Apr 01 18:00:36 <zecke> koen: this emulates the git usage :)
Apr 01 18:01:39 <koen> zecke: http://rafb.net/p/ec1Kda31.html
Apr 01 18:01:58 <Vegar> Elrond: ok
Apr 01 18:03:07 <zecke> hehe
Apr 01 18:04:15 <peepsalot> peanutb, http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25/#20070325-returning_from_taipei
Apr 01 18:04:27 <peepsalot> mentions wifi
Apr 01 18:06:09 <peanutb> ok so it will probably be in the finished product?
Apr 01 18:06:20 <SpeedEvil> Well...
Apr 01 18:06:25 <SpeedEvil> Maybe 1.5
Apr 01 18:06:27 <SpeedEvil> not P1
Apr 01 18:07:44 <peanutb> When can i buy one? (without wifi)
Apr 01 18:08:42 * SpeedEvil points at the topic.
Apr 01 18:08:49 <SpeedEvil> Allegedly.
Apr 01 18:09:03 <SpeedEvil> A week or two, for $350.
Apr 01 18:10:03 <peanutb> sorry, forgot to read the topic. will it be somewhat functioning?
Apr 01 18:10:13 <koen> it can make calls
Apr 01 18:10:22 <SpeedEvil> It can recieve calls.
Apr 01 18:10:23 <koen> it won't get you chicks
Apr 01 18:10:35 <SpeedEvil> It might get you _really_ geeky ones.
Apr 01 18:10:36 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 01 18:10:42 <peanutb> i just wanted it to make calls
Apr 01 18:10:58 <SpeedEvil> It's at the moment a _basic_ touchscreen phone.
Apr 01 18:11:07 <SpeedEvil> For phone functions only.
Apr 01 18:11:17 <koen> a slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow touchscreen phone
Apr 01 18:11:17 <SpeedEvil> It's got assorted other prototype software on there too.
Apr 01 18:11:33 <koen> the address-search-on-entry is glacially slow
Apr 01 18:11:41 <peanutb> I saw something on the hardware page that it was having problems with sms and reciveing calls
Apr 01 18:11:45 <SpeedEvil> The software should improve through September, at which time it should be release quality.
Apr 01 18:11:46 <koen> even on my 624MHz arm device
Apr 01 18:12:02 <SpeedEvil> At least that's the plan.
Apr 01 18:12:32 * peanutb goes off to scavenge $350
Apr 01 18:16:21 <balrog-kun> the P0 developer devices should be 20 MHz ARMs with 32 MB of RAM,
Apr 01 18:17:27 <balrog-kun> this way the hackers would be making software that would run really fast later when run on the final devices
Apr 01 18:17:40 <woglinde> balrog *g*
Apr 01 18:17:51 <balrog-kun> ;) and i don't believe it would take away much functionality
Apr 01 18:17:58 <balrog-kun> having seen PalmOS etc
Apr 01 18:18:14 <woglinde> single threaded?
Apr 01 18:18:32 <balrog-kun> yeah, but here you have a single thread runing most of the time too
Apr 01 18:19:00 <koen> balrog-kun: It seems they gave the developers 20GHz devices, judging from the speed
Apr 01 18:19:31 <balrog-kun> yea, or they're using the Xephyr too often :p
Apr 01 18:37:53 <peanutb> I have an idea for a slogan, "hello moko"
Apr 01 18:38:36 <pH5_> peanutb: and you're not the first ;)
Apr 01 18:38:39 <balrog-kun> heheh
Apr 01 18:38:59 <peanutb> i wonder how big the lawsuit from motorola would be
Apr 01 18:39:41 <fledermaus> they'd probably release the swarm of wingéd monke... I mean lawyers before you could blink.
Apr 01 18:39:57 <peanutb> lol
Apr 01 18:40:15 <SpeedEvil> I want little movable legs and arms on the corners.
Apr 01 18:40:21 <SpeedEvil> So it can run around after me.
Apr 01 18:41:13 <balrog-kun> they would take a revenge and name their next phone OpenMoto
Apr 01 18:41:57 <peanutb> then we would hire the Bunch of monkeys
Apr 01 18:42:06 <peanutb> i mean lawyers
Apr 01 18:45:42 <guaqua> one can always make neo say hello moko :)
Apr 01 18:55:05 <pavelm> Heya everyone!
Apr 01 18:55:06 <pavelm> > ...there was talk about big "get it working" session this saturday.
Apr 01 18:55:06 <pavelm> > ...are there any results? Like new kernel/rootfs I could try? ;-)
Apr 01 19:03:02 <DukeOfURL> join #osx
Apr 01 19:03:45 <pavelm> duke: Heh, so you really want iPhone, I guess :-)
Apr 01 19:04:38 <cjb> pavelm: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ has 1st April images.
Apr 01 19:04:52 <cjb> .. thought perhaps we shouldn't trust images built today :)
Apr 01 19:07:39 <DukeOfURL> pavelm:  no, I'm trying to determine why my PowerBook powers off after an hour of inactivity (on the AC adapter).
Apr 01 19:08:45 <DukeOfURL> pavelm:  I watched Job's announcement, and I got real excited about the iPhone, but after learning that it's closed I lost interest.
Apr 01 19:12:06 <pavelm> Thanks, cjb
Apr 01 19:12:54 <pavelm> Magon: Hi! (Sorry, can't post private messages). Matrix ended for me at the "LEDs" cipher... I was too tired and it was 14:00 or so.
Apr 01 19:15:35 <pavelm> cjb: I think I'll take todays images... I do not think openmoko team has time for april's fools :-)
Apr 01 19:16:06 <pavelm> duke: Yep, iPhone is closed and months away from release -- not really interesting.
Apr 01 19:16:27 <pavelm> duke: Well.. if they were to shrink osx to fit on the cellphone, that would be mildly interesting.
Apr 01 19:17:06 <zecke> pavelm: LLVM is a key technology. I wonder why Apple donated an ARM backend to LLVM :}
Apr 01 19:18:07 <koen> zecke: I have a x86 llvm and and cross-compiled llvm, do you know how to make a crosscompiling llvm?
Apr 01 19:18:37 <zecke> koen: not yet :}
Apr 01 19:18:40 <zecke> koen: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2007-January/007816.html
Apr 01 19:18:52 <pavelm> zecke: What is llvm?
Apr 01 19:18:59 <pavelm> zecke: They'll need a crosscompiler, but that does not mean they are running osx kernel on the phone.
Apr 01 19:19:03 <koen> zecke: Chris is a nice guy
Apr 01 19:20:01 <zecke> pavelm: right. This could mean they run something on their iPhone with the same darwin ABI as found on your desktop
Apr 01 19:20:40 <zecke> koen: what did Chris talk about?
Apr 01 19:20:49 <koen> zecke: llvm
Apr 01 19:21:17 <zecke> koen: did he demo something?
Apr 01 19:21:29 <pavelm> zecke: Well, "same ABI" is somehow significant.
Apr 01 19:21:29 <koen> no
Apr 01 19:21:40 <koen> zecke: I did talk to him later about EABI support
Apr 01 19:26:27 <pavelm> Okay, I guess I should get some sleep. Bye bye.
Apr 01 19:26:47 <koen> zecke: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2007-April/008415.html
Apr 01 19:27:21 <zecke> koen: I'm reading his bossa slides ATM
Apr 01 19:27:42 <zecke>  koen: Today I watched state of the union OSX and CoreAnimation kicks ass :}
Apr 01 19:34:51 <koen> now you mention it...
Apr 01 19:35:04 * koen sends the OE slides to Janaina
Apr 01 19:35:10 <zecke> lol
Apr 01 19:35:22 <zecke> koen: so you just finished your slides?
Apr 01 19:36:55 <koen> :)
Apr 01 19:43:41 <xkr47> counter
Apr 01 19:43:41 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 20:08:09 (5.839 +-5.8 days) (715,138)
Apr 01 19:48:10 <philoware> hi
Apr 01 19:48:43 <Moo^^> good evening philoware
Apr 01 19:49:08 <philoware> good evening
Apr 01 19:49:32 <philoware> is neo1973 on sale now
Apr 01 19:49:34 <philoware> ?
Apr 01 19:49:34 <aloril> philoware: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Apr 01 19:51:12 <fledermaus> counter
Apr 01 19:51:12 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 20:04:23 (5.836 +-5.8 days) (716,139)
Apr 01 19:51:26 <fledermaus> philoware: soon.
Apr 01 19:59:13 <Moo^^> is there a reason why P2 is 9/11?
Apr 01 19:59:32 <Moo^^> that day has quite bad fame 
Apr 01 20:05:42 <Moo^^> I think it
Apr 01 20:05:56 <Moo^^> I think it's unrealistic schedule to build consumer level phone in 6 months
Apr 01 20:06:53 <philippe> Moo^^: it is the 9/11 for all closed phone producers :-)
Apr 01 20:07:20 <philippe> Actually thinking of it I cannot rember anything dramatic happening on 9 november (for people with a sane date system)
Apr 01 20:07:38 <Moo^^>  philippe: us date
Apr 01 20:07:44 <Moo^^> 11.9.2001 for europeans
Apr 01 20:08:22 <philippe> Moo^^: I know which date you meant. But I have no clue if it is 9 november or 11 september for p2
Apr 01 20:08:35 <Moo^^> Phase 2: September 11, Mass Market Sale. [15]
Apr 01 20:08:40 <_buz> obviously september 11
Apr 01 20:09:08 <koen> ooooo, something bad happened at $date, we're mighty scared now
Apr 01 20:09:22 <Moo^^> anyways... I takes over 6 months for giants like Nokia to do a new product programme. And they have near infinite resources and ten years tuned codebase. 
Apr 01 20:09:24 <_buz> s/now/forever/
Apr 01 20:09:26 <koen> I don't think you can't pick a date where lots of people died at some point in time
Apr 01 20:09:41 <Moo^^> I think Openmoko might reach Trolltech Greenphone level in 6 months
Apr 01 20:09:45 <Moo^^> but real people won
Apr 01 20:09:49 <Moo^^> but real people won't buy anything like taht
Apr 01 20:09:56 <koen> Moo^^: it won't
Apr 01 20:09:59 <zecke> koen: let us pick a date where less than 100 iraqis got killed
Apr 01 20:10:02 <koen> the greenphone is not a phone
Apr 01 20:10:12 <koen> it says so on start up
Apr 01 20:10:38 <koen> so I'd be a bit dissapointed if in 6 months the neo1973 isn't a phone anymore
Apr 01 20:10:55 <zecke> koen: and we would use gcc1.4 and linux2.2 :}
Apr 01 20:11:47 <_buz> koen: obviously it will be a v12 by thenm
Apr 01 20:13:02 <_buz> whether it will still serve as phone is entirely irrelevant
Apr 01 20:13:38 <_buz>       
Apr 01 20:13:46 <_buz> wtf happened just now
Apr 01 20:15:33 <philoware> is it at level zero at the moment?
Apr 01 20:15:48 <philoware> it doesnt have any user applications?
Apr 01 20:16:09 <philoware> or you can't call anybody
Apr 01 20:16:11 <philoware> ??
Apr 01 20:19:18 <_buz> i think you can now call people
Apr 01 20:20:14 <Moo^^> philoware: check blogs
Apr 01 20:20:32 <Moo^^> http://planet.openmoko.org/
Apr 01 20:24:46 <philippe> anybody have the same issue?
Apr 01 20:24:48 <philippe> | ERROR: The following packages conflict with matchbox-panel-2:
Apr 01 20:24:48 <philippe> |        matchbox-panel
Apr 01 20:25:02 <zecke> philippe: someone forgot to bump the PR of some packages
Apr 01 20:25:34 <koen> zecke: no, someone forget to switch on mallums brain when he started mb-panel-2
Apr 01 20:25:49 <koen> zecke: the worst fallout should be sorted out in .dev
Apr 01 20:26:09 <koen> e.g openmoko stuff depending on 'matchbox', while they want mb-panel-2
Apr 01 20:27:38 <philippe> koen: so basically it is sed s/matchbox/matchbox2/ in openmoko-*
Apr 01 20:27:52 <koen> yeah
Apr 01 20:28:01 <koen> and find packages that depend on mb-panel1
Apr 01 20:28:14 <koen> like the dreaded 'matchbox' meta package
Apr 01 20:29:00 <koen> I just built http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070401/fic-gta01/ with the latest changes
Apr 01 20:55:03 <goxboxlive> zecke: are you here?
Apr 01 20:55:15 <zecke> goxboxlive: yes
Apr 01 20:55:36 <goxboxlive> hi, do you have a NEO?
Apr 01 20:55:50 <zecke> yes
Apr 01 20:56:24 <goxboxlive> is the signal strenght working in openmoko-panel-gsm?
Apr 01 20:56:35 <zecke> goxboxlive: I don't know :)
Apr 01 20:56:49 <zecke> goxboxlive: my image is quite old
Apr 01 20:56:55 <goxboxlive> ok
Apr 01 20:57:02 <goxboxlive> does the phone work?
Apr 01 20:57:07 <goxboxlive> can you make a call?
Apr 01 20:57:11 <goxboxlive> and recive?
Apr 01 20:57:53 <zecke> goxboxlive: I don't know. I have not tried to use my Neo as phone yet
Apr 01 20:58:09 <goxboxlive> ok
Apr 01 21:00:14 <zecke> goxboxlive: everytime I want to reflash the battery id dead empty and the device does not start :)
Apr 01 21:01:14 <goxboxlive> i c
Apr 01 21:01:36 <goxboxlive> i woundering buying one when it arrives in a week or so, but havent decided yet
Apr 01 21:02:07 <zecke> hehe, I think it is worth buying
Apr 01 21:02:22 <zecke> goxboxlive: it can be the reference platform for your htc devices :)
Apr 01 21:03:45 <goxboxlive> zecke: Ihave just now been able to make and receive calls with openmoko-dialer. We haveent got the mic working yet, but the gsmd is up running :-)
Apr 01 21:21:26 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1608 10/trunk/oe/ (6 files in 3 dirs): oe: add fbgrab-viewer-native courtesy Stefan Schmidt. closes #140
Apr 01 21:23:15 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|zzZZzz: As you are on it: http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/memedit_0.7.bb
Apr 01 21:23:41 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|zzZZzz: I have this in my local tree and the recipe works fine for me.
Apr 01 21:24:07 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|zzZZzz: I also like to see this on oe directly of course. :)
Apr 01 21:24:51 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03mickey * r1609 10/trunk/oe/packages/memedit/ (. memedit_0.7.bb): oe: add memedit courtesy Stefan Schmidt.
Apr 01 21:25:20 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|zzZZzz: thanks for all the fish. ;)
Apr 01 21:25:22 <mickey|zzZZzz> stefan_schmidt: did you also got the list of task from Daniel?
Apr 01 21:25:31 <mickey|zzZZzz> (or only the brainstorming part)
Apr 01 21:25:43 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|zzZZzz: Only brainstorming
Apr 01 21:26:07 <mickey|zzZZzz> ah, there are enough tasks for both of you. once I cleared contracts let's talk how to assign these
Apr 01 21:26:14 <mickey|zzZZzz> going to bed now
Apr 01 21:26:16 <mickey|zzZZzz> it was fun!
Apr 01 21:26:18 <mickey|zzZZzz> let's repeat that
Apr 01 21:26:19 <mickey|zzZZzz> g'night
Apr 01 21:26:21 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|zzZZzz: ok, me too. night
Apr 01 21:27:00 <CoreDump|home> hi
Apr 01 22:52:31 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03zecke * r1610 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/ (Makefile.am rfcdate.c rfcdate.h): (log message trimmed)
Apr 01 22:52:31 <CIA-16> openmoko: RSS Reader: start creating a GObject to store the RSS Date
Apr 01 22:52:31 <CIA-16> openmoko:  The RSS Date is from RFC822 and glib lacks something
Apr 01 22:52:31 <CIA-16> openmoko:  like QDateTime. This class creates something similiar. It
Apr 01 22:52:31 <CIA-16> openmoko:  will be used inside the GtkTreeModelSort to allow fast
Apr 01 22:52:35 <CIA-16> openmoko:  sorting by date.
Apr 01 22:52:37 <CIA-16> openmoko:  Using a custom cell renderer we can then exchange the
Apr 01 23:32:06 <SpeedEvil> Anyone happen to be using 'Orange World' ?
Apr 02 00:16:28 <aevin> SpeedEvil: «Orange World»?
Apr 02 00:20:39 <SpeedEvil> Data service from the mobile provider 'orange'.
Apr 02 00:25:29 <aevin> SpeedEvil: okay. that's not a world I'm familiar with.
Apr 02 00:27:07 <SpeedEvil> Just trying to work out if it's a walled garden or not - it's not clear.
Apr 02 01:31:34 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1611 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/callbacks.c: Bug 348 "openmoko-messages crashes in 'New SMS' dialog" patch.
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Apr 02 02:33:25 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 5 days 16:43:17 (5.697 +-5.7 days) (717,139)
Apr 02 02:37:47 <jaebird> :)
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