**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 13 02:59:56 2007 Apr 13 03:05:35 users Apr 13 03:09:44 anyone seeing compilation problems with openmoko-panel-battery? Apr 13 03:15:02 rwhitby: I have a make failure with openmoko-panel-battery that I can't see a logged bug for Apr 13 03:15:41 rwhitby: details at http://pastebin.ca/437591 if you'd like to have a look Apr 13 03:30:03 dotmef: I'm getting the same failure on Debian Etch and CentOS 4.4 - looks like a real coding error (or someone forgot to check in a file). Apr 13 03:30:56 cbaird: cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c fetch openmoko-devel-image Apr 13 03:35:59 rwhitby: cool. For the record, I'm using FC6 Apr 13 03:36:28 dotmef: I'm bringing up a CentOS 5 box right now ... Apr 13 03:41:36 brb Apr 13 04:08:05 counter Apr 13 04:08:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 07:51:54 (18.328 +-14.0 days) (841,157) Apr 13 04:11:27 any updates...? Apr 13 05:07:42 counter Apr 13 05:07:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 06:52:16 (18.286 +-14.0 days) (842,157) Apr 13 05:16:24 (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte Re: Battery Charging Apr 13 05:46:50 sure is quiet at night Apr 13 05:47:11 :) Apr 13 05:50:12 zzzzz Apr 13 05:50:37 wait - I'm at work. Apr 13 05:51:21 And i've been up for just an hour... Apr 13 05:51:29 s/i/I/ Apr 13 05:51:29 Rakshasa meant: And I've been up for just an hour... Apr 13 05:52:21 * dotmef gets another coffee to stay focused. Apr 13 05:54:03 s/i/OWOuga/ Apr 13 05:54:50 my builds are also failing at openmoko-panel-battery, if that's helpful. Apr 13 05:55:13 I'm on fc6, 2.6.20-1.2925.fc6 kernel Apr 13 05:55:56 kmeyer: me too. although I'm at 2.6.20-1.2933 Apr 13 05:56:18 I have that one, just havn't rebooted recently. Apr 13 05:56:41 18 days of uptime isn't so mcuh Apr 13 06:01:01 heh Apr 13 06:01:44 kmeyer: I'm not much of a coder, but I'll see if I can figure out which directory to include so that apm.h is found Apr 13 06:02:29 I think it has something to do with the download failing earlier. Apr 13 06:07:27 dunno - I must've missed that comment. Apr 13 06:29:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] Apr 13 07:47:17 good morning Apr 13 07:50:48 friday 13th! Apr 13 07:51:08 if we're unlucky, a lot of bugs will not get found today Apr 13 07:51:11 xkr47: nothing bad happened - it's 6pm here on the 13th already. Apr 13 07:51:35 what's that saying? "Never worry about the world ending tomorrow, cause it's already tomorrow in Australia" Apr 13 07:52:14 :D Apr 13 07:52:36 huh, the world has already ended in australia? poor rwhitby :( Apr 13 07:52:54 australians probably have a counter-saying.. "If the world is about to end, go to america for one more day" Apr 13 07:53:11 :) Apr 13 07:53:18 drath: you'll know if the world is about to end tomorrow, if my IRC bouncer suddenly exits the channel ... Apr 13 07:53:22 There's a quip about Queenslanders in there somewhere.. Apr 13 07:53:47 cbaird: hey, don't you go dissing Queenslanders ... Apr 13 07:54:13 heh (although I was one for a few years..) Apr 13 07:54:14 counter Apr 13 07:54:14 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 04:05:44 (18.171 +-14.0 days) (843,157) Apr 13 08:08:10 .. but you're cured now cbaird ? :P Apr 13 08:14:12 WiggleCat: there was worst to come-- I was stuck in Armidale for several years afterwards.. :/ Apr 13 08:24:56 cbaird: heh. I had friends in Glen Innes for a year a while back Apr 13 08:25:42 * rwhitby lived in Proston, Toowoomba, Brisbane, Innisfail, Gold Coast, Sydney, Adelaide. Apr 13 08:27:05 whoah. you *have* been everywhere, man :P Apr 13 08:27:50 rwhitby: btw, I used apm_bios.h instead of apm.h in the openmoko_panel_battery package Apr 13 08:28:01 rwhitby: that seemed to fix that first problem Apr 13 08:28:22 rwhitby: but now there are other problems Apr 13 08:28:47 * rwhitby also lived in Mountain View, CA. Apr 13 08:29:17 ... just long enough to experience how much better living in Australia really is ;-) Apr 13 08:30:24 * dilinger would like an excuse to live in australia Apr 13 08:30:37 heh. Australia is good. I've tried Ireland (born there), England, Rochester, MN Apr 13 08:32:42 bah - they've turned on the vaccuum cleaners at work. I'm off. Apr 13 08:33:01 syal Apr 13 08:33:15 bbiab Apr 13 08:35:52 openmoko: 03dodji * r1736 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 13 08:35:52 openmoko: Better entries removal handling, renamed more moko_j_* into moko_journal_* Apr 13 08:35:52 openmoko: * *.h,c: changed moko_j_email_info* into moko_journal_email_info* Apr 13 08:35:52 openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c: Apr 13 08:35:52 openmoko: (moko_journal_remove_entry_at): only entries that has been Apr 13 08:35:55 openmoko: persisted should be queued for removal from eds. Apr 13 08:35:57 openmoko: (moko_journal_write_to_storage): do not cry too much when Apr 13 08:51:03 countdown Apr 13 08:51:06 count Apr 13 08:51:12 counter Apr 13 08:51:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 03:08:46 (18.131 +-14.0 days) (844,157) Apr 13 08:51:23 ah! fletch read my mind ;) Apr 13 08:51:28 ;) Apr 13 09:29:55 christ, I'm on a LUG irc channel, and we've started getting recruiters logging in and spamming the channel with job ads :( Apr 13 09:39:50 Which IRC? :P Apr 13 09:42:09 ewon: enforce registration for voice ;-) Apr 13 09:47:54 just write a CV generator which picks the keywords out of the spam, sends them the CV then snows them under in bogus CV's Apr 13 09:49:15 XorA: now that idea I like... :D Apr 13 09:50:26 recruiter scum only work if they dont waste more money scanning CV's than they do finding successfull applicants Apr 13 09:52:17 then send them phone numbers to contact the applicants, which all are different VoIP free dial-in numbers which terminate at an asterisk server which further wastes their time when they call it ... Apr 13 09:53:02 ... with a circular IVR menu that they get lost in. Apr 13 09:55:09 I intensely dislike recruiters. Apr 13 09:55:28 one sold me a Linux admin job that turned out to be a Linux testing job.. replaced myself with a perl script and left after a month Apr 13 09:56:25 * XorA has had scum phone him 2 years after getting his CV from unknown locations and asking if he has found a job yet Apr 13 10:03:28 * cbaird has a story about Employment Agencies.. I'd pushed my way to a job at one of Lockeed's Satellite Tracking stations (having money was somewhat essential after getting engaged :) .. at the 11th Hour, Lockeed AU Management decided the job had to be managed by an EA.. who wanted 80% of the paycheck just for 'finding' the job for me, and a prohibition on working elsewhere at Lockheed except through them... :/ Apr 13 10:05:58 86 hour/week @ $6/hr, to look after half a billion dollars of hardware? Nope. I heard that the guy they did get (an Economics undergrad..) lost two $150M satellites. So much for that promised efficiency of using an EA... heh. Apr 13 10:07:55 :) Apr 13 10:17:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Apr 13 10:30:29 counter Apr 13 10:30:29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 4 days 01:29:30 (18.062 +-14.0 days) (845,158) Apr 13 10:31:06 real_counter :-) Apr 13 10:31:33 * xkr47 is getting worried that p2 might come before p1 :P Apr 13 11:01:45 dialer should test does it connect at all.. Apr 13 11:07:05 hrw: i'm working on a easy-to-use GObject for gsm connection Apr 13 11:07:19 dialer, today, gsmgprs applet will benefit Apr 13 11:10:04 dbus :) Apr 13 11:10:42 argh... Apr 13 11:11:12 * hrw want GSM Modem console which WORKS Apr 13 11:11:55 like I said, dbus :) Apr 13 11:12:08 something simple like picocom/cu but connecting to Neo modem without stty, killing gsmd etc Apr 13 11:12:16 once my gobject is done, adding dbus is a piece of cake Apr 13 11:14:15 ah.. and gpe-conf which allow to set iconsize >64 Apr 13 11:14:29 mickeyl: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7fbc9f624d2fc62f3ef6e1d1a03ff2e4.png Apr 13 11:15:11 hmm Apr 13 11:15:14 your top panel looks odd Apr 13 11:15:25 not using the proper gtkrc Apr 13 11:15:29 mickeyl: Clearlooks instead of OpenMoko-theme Apr 13 11:15:32 ah Apr 13 11:18:02 mickeyl: are you gonna be going to ELC? Apr 13 11:19:25 hmm, one of these days we need to kill gpe-conf.. i guess when ebassi has finished gconfig Apr 13 11:20:10 robtaylor: no way, i need to get back to actual coding work. all the meetings and conferences have eaten up too much of my time lately :/ Apr 13 11:20:34 mickeyl: butbut, that's what GSoC lackeys are for, no? Apr 13 11:20:36 * Stephmw hides Apr 13 11:20:40 mickeyl: heh, i know how that feels, goo on you :) Apr 13 11:20:44 heh Apr 13 11:21:05 my next appearance will be LinuxTag 2007 in Berlin, Germany Apr 13 11:21:09 where i will talk about OpenMoko Apr 13 11:21:37 +CME ERROR: 10 Apr 13 11:21:48 ~lart neo1973 sim socket Apr 13 11:21:49 * apt nukes neo1973 sim socket with a single large nuke Apr 13 11:23:15 CME10 == no sim. Apr 13 11:42:34 how long does it should take to "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd" to respond? Apr 13 11:43:41 a few seconds at most Apr 13 11:43:59 then it does not like me Apr 13 11:45:47 1 minute and no reply Apr 13 12:14:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Shipping_Notes]] [[Translation]] [[Migration_to_bad_block_tolerant_builds]] [[Gsmd]] Apr 13 12:32:14 how can i launch xterm in openmoko Apr 13 12:33:25 From an xterm, of course! Apr 13 12:33:27 :D Apr 13 12:33:55 SuN, hehe Apr 13 12:35:42 SOrry, can't _really_ help you. Apr 13 12:36:06 Can you access xinitrc (if that's even present?) Apr 13 12:36:34 Or whatever file starts the wm... if you simply add an xterm there, it'll run at startup. Apr 13 12:36:37 strangely there used to be an icon for launching xterm, but is missing from past few months Apr 13 12:37:41 SuN, problem is getting a shell prompt. qemuarm build has shell on ctrl+alt+2 but qemu-neo1973 build has no serial console Apr 13 12:39:01 plug in used, ssh Apr 13 12:39:06 s/used/usb/ Apr 13 12:39:41 oh, under qemu, bugger knows Apr 13 12:40:05 empty_mind: ssh root@192.168.7.2 Apr 13 12:40:25 but I do not know does OE handle it Apr 13 12:40:27 XorA meant: plug in usb, ssh Apr 13 12:40:48 ~kill apt Apr 13 12:41:02 * apt shoots a super-inverse fluxphoton gun at apt Apr 13 12:41:13 hrw, on real phone or qemu-neo1973 ? Apr 13 12:41:45 the angstrom images have an icon for rxvt :) Apr 13 12:42:01 qemuarm Apr 13 12:44:00 hrw, for build with machine set to "qemuarm" and running under qemu. I can get shell with ctrl+alt+2 Apr 13 12:44:23 koen, i am compiling angstrom to run under qemu-neo1973 Apr 13 12:44:46 koen, what is the UI toolkit for angstrom Apr 13 12:45:04 empty_mind: the same as for debian Apr 13 12:45:11 none, since it's a distribution Apr 13 12:45:24 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/fic-gta01/ has precompiled images Apr 13 12:46:03 koen, so how do i run UI on angstrom ? do i need to install matchbox ? Apr 13 12:46:12 ? Apr 13 12:46:59 koen, like OM has a frontend for running apps. Apps being gtk+ based Apr 13 12:47:02 just boot the image you want (console, x11 or openmoko) and it will boot into the respective GUI (shell, matchbox, openmoko) Apr 13 12:47:23 empty_mind: I suspect you don't really now what you are talking about Apr 13 12:47:52 I can run efl, tk and qt apps in openmoko if I want Apr 13 12:47:59 koen, maybe, i am completely blank about angstrom Apr 13 12:48:36 I wasn't speaking about angstrom Apr 13 12:48:37 koen, yup you can but with 200Mhz processor, might have to wait a bit longer Apr 13 12:48:54 * empty_mind raises white flag :-) Apr 13 14:04:56 counter Apr 13 14:04:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 21:55:02 (17.913 +-14.0 days) (846,159) Apr 13 14:05:32 Dodji: you are writing libmokojournal? Apr 13 14:06:25 zecke, yeah Apr 13 14:06:51 Dodji: before I start nitpicking, how complete is the design? (run!) Apr 13 14:07:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch]] Apr 13 14:07:31 zecke, are you on framework-devel ? Apr 13 14:07:38 zecke, I mean the mailing list Apr 13 14:07:47 Dodji: no, I probably should be :) Apr 13 14:08:43 zecke, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/framework-devel/2007-April/000032.html Apr 13 14:09:14 zecke, so the short answer is we are only at the beginning :-) Apr 13 14:09:23 I just read it :) Apr 13 14:09:29 zecke, trying to flesh out the foundations Apr 13 14:10:04 Dodji: okay one question was answered. It is using eds so multiple apps can easily access concurently Apr 13 14:10:07 openmoko: 03dodji * r1737 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (ChangeLog libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c): Apr 13 14:10:07 openmoko: Update the journal when another process removes entries Apr 13 14:10:07 openmoko: * openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c: Apr 13 14:10:07 openmoko: (moko_journal_load_from_storage): make sure we get notified when Apr 13 14:10:07 openmoko: another process removes an entry. Apr 13 14:10:10 openmoko: (on_entries_removed_cb): added this to handle entry removal by Apr 13 14:10:12 openmoko: another process. Apr 13 14:10:20 Dodji: I'm missing some signals :) Apr 13 14:10:31 :-) Apr 13 14:10:40 hehe Apr 13 14:10:49 hi Apr 13 14:11:01 Dodji: now if you update the number of journals changed :) Apr 13 14:11:16 zecke, sorry ? Apr 13 14:14:27 Dodji: Signals should be added for sure. This way a GUI can be updated whenever something changed Apr 13 14:14:57 zecke, yeah that is for a bit later. we have more basic stuff to do before then. Apr 13 14:15:43 zecke, like making sure we support the right journal entry types, with the right properties. because if no one can add entries, no one won't ever need to get notified :-) Apr 13 14:15:49 <_kaiser_> I'm so excited about being able to buy the phone soon! :) Apr 13 14:16:00 hehe Apr 13 14:16:14 zecke, you are definitely right Apr 13 14:16:37 <_kaiser_> then my gf will hate me... b.c I can ssh from anywhere that my phone can connect to the net, and program! hehe Apr 13 14:17:33 * cbaird is looking forward to showing-up an ex-gf with a new fancy geekphone that'll leave hers for dead. :P Apr 13 14:24:09 The more conventional way is to show up with a prettier girlfriend, but whatever works :) Apr 13 14:50:54 how are you going to ssh in and program with a device that doesn't have a keyboard? Apr 13 14:51:33 paroneayea: by using a bluetooth keyboard? Apr 13 14:51:39 I suppose :) Apr 13 14:51:48 I miss my pebble-keyboard on my old zaurus.. Apr 13 14:52:02 those were good days... for the ten minutes the battery would hold up Apr 13 14:53:57 paroneayea: never underestimate the speed of two thumbs... Apr 13 14:54:12 two thumbs are slwo Apr 13 14:54:14 indeed Apr 13 14:54:22 I was pretty fast at it Apr 13 14:54:45 hope the touchscreen will be fast enough for two-thumb typing Apr 13 14:54:58 It's fast enough, that's not the problem. Apr 13 14:55:12 resolution? Apr 13 14:55:31 the worse problem is your thumbs resolution. Apr 13 14:55:57 pressing a pebble keyboard vs a touchscreen keyboard I imagine is quite different Apr 13 14:56:00 A 2.8" screen, the thumbprint can be quite large. Apr 13 14:56:01 one of them has bump to it Apr 13 14:56:05 Utterly different. Apr 13 14:56:54 As anyone can tell you who's used a zx81. Apr 13 14:57:16 that was my first computer Apr 13 14:57:23 Indeed. Apr 13 14:57:26 Mine too. Apr 13 14:57:33 Not exactly tactile though. Apr 13 14:57:47 * dho wonders if anybody will ever figure out what the iRiver U10 is running Apr 13 14:58:41 * paroneayea looks at a screenshot Apr 13 14:58:46 my first one was a spectrum Apr 13 14:58:46 is this borrowing at all from GPE? Apr 13 14:59:36 A spectrum had a really good keyboard in comparison. Apr 13 15:01:05 hm Apr 13 16:02:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Product_IDs]] [[Talk:Shipping_Notes]] [[Alarm_daemon]] [[Shipping_Notes]] [[OpenMoko2007]] Apr 13 16:22:20 openmoko: 03laforge * r1738 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-vibrator.patch: * fix kernel oops during vibrator use and suspend. (Daniel Willmann) Apr 13 16:23:16 openmoko: 03laforge * r1739 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: * fix vibrator GPIO pin for Bv2 and Bv3 (Daniel Willmann) Apr 13 16:33:15 openmoko: 03thomas * r1740 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c): Apr 13 16:33:15 openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c: (contacts_changed_cb): Apr 13 16:33:15 openmoko: Make sure cell phone column is updated when a contact is saved. Fixes bug 400. Apr 13 16:55:57 mickey_bbl: ping? Apr 13 16:57:24 mickey_bbl: http://pastebin.ca/438449 Apr 13 16:57:51 Arbeitskopie! Jawohl! Apr 13 17:00:01 koen: ja! Apr 13 17:00:19 koen: LC_ALL=nl should be the default for omoko Apr 13 17:00:47 koen: and instead of a 1GB SD card 1kg of gouda should be included Apr 13 17:01:03 :D Apr 13 17:04:56 openmoko: 03thomas * r1741 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-callbacks-ui.c): Apr 13 17:04:56 openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ui.c: (contacts_selection_cb): Don't try to commit a Apr 13 17:04:56 openmoko: NULL contact when selection changes. Fixes bug 423. Apr 13 17:54:41 counter Apr 13 17:54:41 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 18:05:17 (17.754 +-14.0 days) (847,159) Apr 13 17:57:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenEmbedded]] Apr 13 18:11:18 counter Apr 13 18:11:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 17:48:40 (17.742 +-14.0 days) (848,159) Apr 13 18:11:26 XD Apr 13 18:11:38 so, what's this P1 delay about? Apr 13 18:11:57 we need a counter-counter, one that actually goes //down// :) Apr 13 18:12:15 MacNorth: lol, good one :P Apr 13 18:12:35 it indeed is quite an odd counter... Apr 13 18:12:50 it's a count-up-and-down... instead of count-down Apr 13 18:13:14 i guess good counters are bi-directional Apr 13 18:13:43 maybe we need to add an imaginary component, so we can go in 2 more directions :-P Apr 13 18:13:57 heheheh Apr 13 18:13:58 counter Apr 13 18:14:20 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days + 4i hours (17.742 +-14.0 days, 4i hours) (848,159) Apr 13 18:19:48 lower limit is quite likely too low ;-) Apr 13 18:20:38 * aloril2 wonders how long before it being available we hear about it Apr 13 18:20:49 :P Apr 13 18:20:58 yeah, me too... Apr 13 18:21:05 for pre-orders and stuff... Apr 13 18:21:28 wonder wether there will be pre-ordering at all :P Apr 13 18:22:08 aloril2: is the 4i hours static? or does it count up/down too? Apr 13 18:22:10 counter Apr 13 18:22:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 17:37:48 (17.735 +-14.0 days) (849,159) Apr 13 18:22:30 ah, macnorth fooled me XD Apr 13 18:22:39 not completely awake :P Apr 13 18:22:49 guess: 1 week before? Apr 13 18:23:24 my guess: half a week after :P Apr 13 18:23:36 post-pre-order Apr 13 18:25:52 ;) Apr 13 18:26:21 guess: its less than week from "hardware and software looks OK" to it being shipped (everything should be ready beside hardware/software stability) Apr 13 18:38:20 anyone know how to find out if a GtkTreeIter is valid? Apr 13 19:05:31 Hi! Apr 13 19:05:32 counter Apr 13 19:05:32 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 16:54:26 (17.704 +-14.0 days) (850,159) Apr 13 19:05:44 2 weeks =????? Apr 13 19:05:54 The counter goes crazy Apr 13 19:05:56 yeah, it counts up-and-down again Apr 13 19:06:08 instead of count-down Apr 13 19:06:16 count.up :P Apr 13 19:35:04 hmm, I wonder... Sony-Ericsson M610i + openmoko... ? Apr 13 19:35:05 :P Apr 13 19:45:52 Nice phone Apr 13 19:45:56 looks like a calculator Apr 13 19:45:57 xD Apr 13 19:57:14 openmoko: 03werner * r1742 10/developers/werner/usb-pullup/ (. README new.fig new.spice old.spice runs si.pl): Proposed change of the 49XX USB pullup circuit (for GTA02). Apr 13 19:57:23 counter Apr 13 19:57:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 16:02:35 (17.668 +-14.0 days) (851,159) Apr 13 19:57:39 random guess I assume.... Apr 13 19:57:59 not completely random Apr 13 20:10:35 counter Apr 13 20:10:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 15:49:23 (17.659 +-14.0 days) (852,159) Apr 13 20:11:58 greentux: see [[Neo1973]] page for basis for guess Apr 13 20:14:27 aloril2: I watch that site... but its a matter of guessing... to "closed" in my opinion Apr 13 20:26:57 greentux: too closed? what do you mean by this? Apr 13 20:26:57 gdiebel: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 13 21:20:18 anybody in here using s3c2410_udc? Apr 13 21:20:18 mreimer_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 13 21:43:57 * rwhitby notices GTA02 checkin comment ... Apr 13 21:45:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo]] [[Libgconf-bridge]] [[OpenMokoFramework]] Apr 13 21:58:28 counter Apr 13 21:58:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 14:01:30 (17.584 +-14.0 days) (853,159) Apr 13 21:59:13 Damned. So much for an april release. Apr 13 22:01:54 heh Apr 13 22:10:48 mickeyl: ping :) Apr 13 22:11:18 p�ng Apr 13 22:11:49 lol :) Apr 13 22:12:16 * LuitvD wonders about the pronounciation of that... Apr 13 22:12:19 hehe Apr 13 22:12:32 the world needs more Umlaute Apr 13 22:12:45 yeäh Apr 13 22:12:53 * high-rez grabs a couple of ..'s for mikey Apr 13 22:13:10 mickeyl: do you see the pastebin.ca url in this back channel Apr 13 22:13:20 mickeyl: it has a minor change to moko-tool-box Apr 13 22:13:23 mickeyl: do you have a german keyboard ? Apr 13 22:14:01 Who is the guy doing the musicplayer? He should make sure last.fm support is implementable Apr 13 22:14:17 yeah :) Apr 13 22:14:31 is last.fm able to work asynchronous by the way? Apr 13 22:14:41 not sure... Apr 13 22:14:45 anyone? Apr 13 22:15:01 why wouldn't it? Apr 13 22:15:05 it's a protocol Apr 13 22:15:08 LuitvD: I don't know, but use the source :) Apr 13 22:15:11 zecke: yes, got the pastebin. will review and commit Apr 13 22:15:20 LuitvD: yeah, i have a german keyboard �� ;) Apr 13 22:15:53 mickeyl: so you have seperate keys for those commonly-used umlaut-characters? :P Apr 13 22:16:01 ya Apr 13 22:16:10 I have to trap a " to do so :P Apr 13 22:16:15 ich mocthe eine neo habben playin' :| Apr 13 22:16:25 hehe Apr 13 22:16:51 èvërý sìnglë cháràctèr Apr 13 22:16:53 :P Apr 13 22:17:21 zecke: patch looks good except one issue Apr 13 22:17:31 I can umlaut these characters :) ëÿüïöä Apr 13 22:17:39 zecke: why gboolean search_is_visible? looks like double bookkeeping to me. can't we use GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE() instead? Apr 13 22:18:14 mickeyl: I just transformed the code :) Apr 13 22:18:38 counter Apr 13 22:18:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 13:41:20 (17.570 +-14.0 days) (854,159) Apr 13 22:18:41 mickeyl: I wonder how well gtk+ performs if a user hits the button fast enough (but I guess it will be all right) Apr 13 22:18:46 hmm, i guess I don't have the umlaut skills on my macbook. Apr 13 22:19:04 high-rez: no dead-keys? Apr 13 22:19:26 zecke: I think it'll be ok, since these widget flags are tightly coupled to the Gdk/X wid state Apr 13 22:19:29 LuitvD: I'm not sure how I'd remap them in OSX. Apr 13 22:19:40 zomg, on linux I can even put an ' on top of the " Apr 13 22:19:42 :D Apr 13 22:19:45 ΅ Apr 13 22:22:02 mickeyl: do you want to change it, should I change it? Apr 13 22:22:10 zecke: while you're at it, could you please? :) Apr 13 22:22:17 * mickeyl at the moment in GObject / GSM mode Apr 13 22:22:59 ATH Apr 13 22:23:07 OK Apr 13 22:23:50 btw. me and some guys just returned from "Mr. Bean on holiday" film Apr 13 22:23:58 better than i expected Apr 13 22:24:10 mickeyl: isn't that from the 80s? Apr 13 22:24:23 oh, no, it's the new one Apr 13 22:24:25 no, that's a new one Apr 13 22:24:26 ya Apr 13 22:25:13 at least it is new in germany Apr 13 22:25:23 mickeyl: That sure is some nice wine. Apr 13 22:25:57 hmm... thanks mickeyl, now I REALLY want to go XD Apr 13 22:26:13 have some 8 movies I'd still HAVE to see in the cinema :P Apr 13 22:27:04 mickeyl: psst last.fm support in musicplayer is critical Apr 13 22:27:17 hehe Apr 13 22:27:21 ok, noted Apr 13 22:27:31 i'm going to make the student base on starlin Apr 13 22:27:37 the project i mentored last year Apr 13 22:27:57 starlin? Apr 13 22:28:03 Starling Apr 13 22:28:03 how many google SoC students applied for moko? Apr 13 22:28:06 media player for GPE Apr 13 22:28:12 LuitvD!! :-) Apr 13 22:28:15 LuitvD: roughly 50 projects Apr 13 22:28:22 unfortunately... only 3 slots :/ Apr 13 22:28:24 projects... Apr 13 22:28:51 students Apr 13 22:28:53 50 people wanted to, and only 3 are lucky enaugh to be applied? Apr 13 22:28:58 ya Apr 13 22:29:01 damn :P Apr 13 22:29:04 indeed Apr 13 22:29:20 if this years' projects succeed, next year we'll get more Apr 13 22:29:26 good thing I couldn't apply because of my age... don't think I'd stand a chance :P Apr 13 22:29:41 heh Apr 13 22:29:44 how old are you? Apr 13 22:29:46 I think the project will be diffrent next year anyways :P Apr 13 22:30:07 I'm about 3 months away from becoming 18 Apr 13 22:30:08 openmoko: 03werner * r1743 10/developers/werner/usb-pullup/ (README new.fig new.spice runs si.pl): Improved performance with high-impedance load on D+. Apr 13 22:30:26 and 18 is the lower age-limit... Apr 13 22:31:04 plus, it's my last year of VWO this year, got some exames coming up whithin a month Apr 13 22:31:21 after that, I'm completely done with school, and I can do whatever I want :) Apr 13 22:31:31 LuitvD - Where have you been the last month? exams? Apr 13 22:31:57 (and 'whatever I want' in this case is get to study "electronic engeneering and design") Apr 13 22:32:06 Elrond: nope, just not much time at all Apr 13 22:32:16 Elrond: partly because of school too Apr 13 22:32:30 actually interesting Apr 13 22:32:33 OpenMoko in one year Apr 13 22:32:34 Elrond: exames are in about 5 weeks Apr 13 22:32:34 can't imagine Apr 13 22:32:37 heheh Apr 13 22:32:40 me neither Apr 13 22:32:51 it's either dead or absolutely amazing :P Apr 13 22:32:55 righto Apr 13 22:32:57 i agree Apr 13 22:33:00 nothing in between Apr 13 22:33:28 i dunno, we could still be waiting for p1 in a year :-D Apr 13 22:33:33 haha Apr 13 22:33:34 hardly Apr 13 22:33:36 but who knows Apr 13 22:33:41 dead and revived by someone inside a big company completely misusing it, could be a way in between those two Apr 13 22:35:09 no? Apr 13 22:35:11 never mind :P Apr 13 22:35:19 LuitvD - Is my memory correct: You're the guy with the robot? Apr 13 22:35:23 hmm Apr 13 22:35:28 anyone know offhand what's Apr 13 22:35:30 CPRI ? Apr 13 22:35:33