**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 14 02:59:57 2007 Apr 14 03:14:29 Hey. Apr 14 03:16:55 hey! Apr 14 03:17:09 How are you? Apr 14 03:17:09 sinep: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 14 03:19:47 im fine and you? Apr 14 03:21:17 I'm great Apr 14 03:21:27 good Apr 14 03:21:40 system developer or app developer or neither? Apr 14 03:23:00 :-P Apr 14 03:25:19 Neither atm Apr 14 03:26:34 what do you guys do for openmolo Apr 14 03:26:36 moko Apr 14 03:26:42 or what does it do for you? Apr 14 03:27:34 heh Apr 14 03:27:43 right now I'm the guy that can't get the base system to build Apr 14 03:28:41 what are your plans for when you get it to work? Apr 14 03:30:45 dunno Apr 14 03:30:49 mess about with it Apr 14 03:31:10 is it out? Apr 14 03:31:15 I don't know quite how fast the neo is, would an emulator for a 12MHz cpu be practical? Apr 14 03:31:20 glen_quagmire: P!? Apr 14 03:31:22 P1* Apr 14 03:31:23 counter Apr 14 03:31:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 08:28:35 (17.353 +-14.0 days) (856,159) Apr 14 03:31:44 hah Apr 14 03:32:13 i'll wait til september Apr 14 03:32:19 i want it under 100 Apr 14 03:32:44 under 100? Apr 14 03:32:51 it's not gonna be under 100 come september either :P Apr 14 03:33:00 oh crap Apr 14 03:33:01 try next year september if it gets mass produced :P Apr 14 03:33:01 kmeyer, I guess so Apr 14 03:33:06 even children get a laptop for 100 Apr 14 03:33:11 what 12Mhz CPU are you going to emulate Apr 14 03:33:18 ? Apr 14 03:33:24 neostrider: 68k Apr 14 03:33:32 that was the best aloril-bot answer -- how are you? :: see the faq Apr 14 03:33:36 :-D Apr 14 03:33:59 goooood Apr 14 03:34:08 any gaming console in mind? Apr 14 03:34:37 oh, are you asking me? Apr 14 03:37:08 yeah Apr 14 03:37:09 sorry Apr 14 03:42:54 i want a small device that does everything Apr 14 03:43:27 "everything" isn't planned until version 7 Apr 14 03:43:47 At least a 3mp camera would be awesome Apr 14 03:43:58 Maybe even 5mp next year Apr 14 03:44:05 no no camera Apr 14 03:44:10 6 will provide teleportation and nanofactory capabilities to satisfy your needs while waiting Apr 14 03:44:15 i want a small programmable device Apr 14 03:44:45 2mp camera is quite enough for me... Apr 14 03:44:50 but I dont need a camera for now Apr 14 03:45:09 i just want my games to run on moko Apr 14 03:45:13 megapixels don't matter. lens matters Apr 14 03:45:31 1mp is more than enough if you have a decent lens Apr 14 03:45:39 carl zeiss? Apr 14 03:45:55 i mean sensors Apr 14 03:46:05 lens + good and big sensor Apr 14 03:47:09 openmoko: 03laforge * r1753 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add 2.6.20.7 Apr 14 03:53:13 glen_quagmire: Megapixels matter a great deal. Apr 14 03:53:25 Lens and sensor matter a great deal too Apr 14 03:57:01 Sony's cameras have/had Carl Zeiss lenses, and some of those weren't very good Apr 14 03:58:00 I just got a Sony phone Apr 14 03:58:07 It has a decent 2mp camera Apr 14 03:58:44 my Siemens C72 with a crappy VGA camera set works nicely for me Apr 14 04:07:44 * amarsh04 still uses a canon ixus v (2.1 megapixel, 2x optical zoom) Apr 14 04:14:23 I think portability trumps megapixes: if it's too big, I won't carry it, so it won't get used Apr 14 04:16:01 i agree with pjz Apr 14 04:16:55 bye fellows Apr 14 04:56:19 yeah - i have a panasonic tz1 and a belt-case and i can forget it's there Apr 14 05:01:44 counter Apr 14 05:01:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 06:58:14 (17.290 +-14.0 days) (857,159) Apr 14 05:22:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Press_Coverage]] Apr 14 06:30:08 openmoko: 03laforge * r1754 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (s3c2410_fb-truecolor.patch series): Apr 14 06:30:08 openmoko: * update truecolor patch to really only enable truecolor support Apr 14 06:30:08 openmoko: * activate it in 'series' Apr 14 06:30:28 openmoko: 03laforge * r1755 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/gta01-kernel_2.6.bb: update default kernel to 2.6.20.7 Apr 14 07:16:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Product_IDs]] Apr 14 07:20:09 Hi Apr 14 07:40:15 Yo Apr 14 07:52:10 good morning Apr 14 07:59:31 counter Apr 14 07:59:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 04:00:27 (17.167 +-14.0 days) (858,159) Apr 14 08:29:28 openmoko: 03werner * r1756 10/developers/werner/usb-pullup/ (README new.fig new.spice runs): Went back to an only slightly modified version of the original model. Apr 14 08:34:15 maybe this time upper limit holds... Apr 14 08:34:22 <_buz> counter Apr 14 08:34:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 03:25:36 (17.143 +-14.0 days) (859,159) Apr 14 08:47:09 where do I get libgsmd? Apr 14 09:11:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Product_IDs]] Apr 14 09:16:49 huttah for spice description files! http://svnweb.openmoko.org/developers/werner/usb-pullup/new.spice?rev=1756&view=markup Apr 14 09:47:58 aloril: help Apr 14 09:47:58 Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) Apr 14 09:48:08 aloril: counter Apr 14 09:48:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 02:11:51 (17.092 +-14.0 days) (860,159) Apr 14 11:18:35 morning Apr 14 11:21:37 morning hrw Apr 14 11:37:51 are there other phones but the neo that openmoko will run on? Apr 14 11:38:57 sure Apr 14 11:39:16 people are working on running openmoko on HTC phones, OpenEZX Apr 14 11:39:24 and is there some wikipage where i can find suitabel models? Apr 14 11:40:15 no Apr 14 11:46:49 hmm ok Apr 14 11:46:51 cheers Apr 14 11:59:15 counter Apr 14 11:59:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 3 days 00:00:43 (17.000 +-14.0 days) (861,160) Apr 14 12:14:26 * chihchun trying to reflash neo1973 Apr 14 12:14:55 * chihchun just broke the nano :-/ Apr 14 12:43:52 counter Apr 14 12:43:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 2 days 23:16:06 (16.970 +-14.0 days) (862,161) Apr 14 12:57:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Clocks]] Apr 14 12:58:31 anyone even play mp3 on the gta0? Apr 14 13:02:10 the system is too slow Apr 14 13:03:23 What are you using? Apr 14 13:03:59 IIRC ogg,mp3,and aac all play from 25-33% CPU, depending on the codec. Apr 14 13:14:25 is an sdcard able to set up partitions? Apr 14 13:15:46 i'm thinking about a little usb card reader, and a big sdcard, with a linux (not related project with openmoko) Apr 14 13:16:06 but i'm don't know about, how na sdcard usable for this idea. Apr 14 13:17:34 MetaMorfoziS: sdcard is normal block device so you should be able to partition it Apr 14 13:18:28 and, the card reader? handles that? Apr 14 13:19:44 why not? Apr 14 13:20:01 card reader only provide access to card itself - then OS have to use it Apr 14 13:20:22 i'm didin't a guru of sdcards innerlife, i just asked:) Apr 14 13:20:25 huh. Apr 14 13:20:28 and bios can boot that? Apr 14 13:20:46 i know, from pendrive it's possible, but is the reader transparent? Apr 14 13:20:53 should be Apr 14 13:21:06 but the problem can be with multislot readers Apr 14 13:21:30 it's single... but thanx for warn Apr 14 13:22:10 it's very cheap, so i just try that reader with my little sdcard... and if that works i buy a big one.:) Apr 14 13:22:10 thanx Apr 14 13:31:36 shit. The Kingston 4GB Compactflash Card Ultimate (CF/4GB-U) At amazon.com is $70 at my country it is $105. Apr 14 13:35:47 Is the readers can slowering the bandwith of the communication with the card? [sorry for not too related questions:)] Apr 14 13:36:59 :/ yes. i checked the specification:( Apr 14 14:14:43 * mickeyl trying to get his Bv4 running Apr 14 14:49:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Apr 14 17:59:03 counter Apr 14 17:59:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 2 days 18:00:55 (16.751 +-14.0 days) (863,161) Apr 14 17:59:38 can't wait Apr 14 19:47:14 openmoko/neo1973 have are in pop. sci Apr 14 19:47:43 have are? Apr 14 19:47:53 I was going to say "have a section/feature" Apr 14 19:48:06 but forgot to delete the "have" :) Apr 14 19:48:29 what does it say? Apr 14 19:49:07 lemme look Apr 14 19:49:20 "A smarter phone" Apr 14 19:49:34 sounds like it's got AI or something Apr 14 19:49:36 "the first fully programmable phone does what you -- not Apple or Verizon -- want it to do" Apr 14 19:49:40 yeh Apr 14 19:49:48 sounds like it's a finished product too :-) Apr 14 19:51:25 the article is mostly hype, just talking about being able to make programs, download them, etc Apr 14 19:51:26 lol Apr 14 19:58:45 any idea where to get libgsmd, Vegar ? Apr 14 19:59:06 uhm.. Apr 14 19:59:10 SVN maybe? Apr 14 19:59:51 http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gsm/ Apr 14 20:00:15 thanks Apr 14 20:29:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] Apr 14 21:03:44 counter Apr 14 21:03:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 2 days 14:56:14 (16.622 +-14.0 days) (864,161) Apr 14 21:07:04 counter Apr 14 21:07:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, 2 days 14:52:55 (16.620 +-14.0 days) (865,161) Apr 14 22:23:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] [[Main_Page]] Apr 14 22:28:49 openmoko: 03mickey * r1757 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Apr 14 22:28:49 openmoko: openmoko-libs: bump to 0.0.3 Apr 14 22:28:49 openmoko: - add glib-genmarshal support to buildsystem Apr 14 22:28:49 openmoko: - add first bunch of functions to libgsmd API Apr 14 22:29:49 so libgsmd was useless before this? :-( Apr 14 22:29:55 I just downloaded and installed it Apr 14 22:30:28 no Apr 14 22:30:44 s/libgsmd API/MokoGsmdConnection API/ Apr 14 22:40:41 ah Apr 14 22:41:05 mickey|moving: for some reason bitbake isn't installing libgsmd by itself or something, and I can't figure out how to do it manually Apr 14 22:42:53 what makes you think so? Apr 14 22:43:01 i.e. do you have a concrete error message? Apr 14 22:44:32 mickeyl: Just wondering - did you happen to get my mail I sent a couple days ago regarding my SoC project? Apr 14 22:45:02 i did Apr 14 22:45:19 sorry, but my response-lag is a bit high atm. Apr 14 22:45:21 Okay, was just wanting to check back :) Apr 14 22:45:24 Naw, no worries Apr 14 22:45:36 I don't like misunderstandings, that's all hehe Apr 14 22:48:22 mickeyl: yes. Apr 14 22:48:51 | No package 'libgsmd' found Apr 14 22:48:52 | configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6 Apr 14 22:48:52 | libecal-1.2 >= 1.4.2 Apr 14 22:48:52 | gdk-pixbuf-2.0 Apr 14 22:48:52 | libgsmd) were not met: Apr 14 22:50:20 this is an output from which package? Apr 14 22:50:42 NOTE: Task failed: /home/moko/build/tmp/work/i486-linux/openmoko-libs-0.0.1+svnnow-r3_1757/temp/log.do_configure.27912 Apr 14 22:50:49 so I'm guessing openmoko-libs :P Apr 14 22:51:18 mickeyl: could you put a portmap tarball onto your mirror? Apr 14 22:51:19 is libgsmd built? Apr 14 22:51:35 zecke: sure. which version and to where? Apr 14 22:51:59 !ombug 283 Apr 14 22:52:00 * * Bug 283, Status: REOPENED, Created: Unknown Apr 14 22:52:01 * * autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org: portmap-5-26-r0-do_unpack Apr 14 22:52:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=283 Apr 14 22:52:08 ~hail _CoreDump|home Apr 14 22:52:18 * apt bows down to _CoreDump|home and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Apr 14 22:52:31 mickeyl: onto the "OpenMoko mirror" Apr 14 22:52:37 hmm Apr 14 22:52:39 where would that be? :) Apr 14 22:52:59 mickeyl: check your base.bbclass? Apr 14 22:53:03 I can do that in a second Apr 14 22:53:35 mickeyl: well I don't know, I guess not Apr 14 22:53:45 kmeyer: is libgsmd in the dependencies of openmoko-libs ? Apr 14 22:54:07 zecke: where does it try to download from? Apr 14 22:54:13 can't find it in any class here Apr 14 22:54:15 I'd imagine so.. Apr 14 22:54:22 please don't imagine Apr 14 22:54:23 look it up Apr 14 22:54:31 otherwise we won't progress here :D Apr 14 22:54:50 yes, it is Apr 14 22:54:57 the configure script for openmoko-libs Apr 14 22:54:59 is run Apr 14 22:55:03 and outputs the error above Apr 14 22:55:14 check the recipe of openmoko-libs Apr 14 22:55:17 is it listed in DEPENDS ? Apr 14 22:55:19 kmeyer: bitbake -vvv openmoko-libs Apr 14 22:55:20 | NOTE: Running /home/moko/build/tmp/work/i486-linux/openmoko-libs-0.0.1+svnnow-r3_1757/openmoko-libs/configure ... Apr 14 22:55:25 alright Apr 14 22:55:31 kmeyer: and check the output (the deps) Apr 14 22:55:42 kmeyer: and check ig libgsmd turns up in the dep tree Apr 14 22:55:53 kmeyer: alternatively use the -g option to create a graph... Apr 14 22:58:21 what output do you want, agian? Apr 14 22:58:45 kmeyer: again? well see above? (hint two lines above...) Apr 14 22:58:57 well yeah Apr 14 22:59:01 I'm looking at the output Apr 14 22:59:06 and don't see much different with the -vvv Apr 14 22:59:17 mickeyl: you set a PREMIRRORS in conf/openmoko.conf Apr 14 23:00:00 NOTE: dependencies for openmoko-libs are: pkgconfig-native autoconf-native automake-native libtool-native gnu-config-native ipkg-utils-native file-native fakeroot-native quilt-native virtual/i486-linux-gcc virtual/libc gtk+ eds-dbus Apr 14 23:00:08 zecke: oh, indeed. sorry. totally overlooked that Apr 14 23:00:10 mickeyl: place the file on this server Apr 14 23:00:22 now i just need to find the actual path of that server Apr 14 23:00:32 kmeyer: looks like your svn is too old Apr 14 23:00:39 update your recipes Apr 14 23:01:20 ok Apr 14 23:10:08 zecke: sorry, i don't have access to that machine... will need to pester LaF0rge Apr 14 23:10:49 mickeyl: autobuilds currently fail on this Apr 14 23:11:54 hmm i could update the recipe to use a different SRC_URI Apr 14 23:18:08 openmoko: 03mickey * r1758 10/trunk/oe/packages/portmap/ (9 files in 3 dirs): oe: add portmap w/ different SRC_URI, closes #283 Apr 14 23:22:03 :-) Apr 14 23:22:25 mickeyl: let us wait a second and see what is happening Apr 14 23:22:29 mickeyl: did you bump the PR? Apr 14 23:22:33 ya Apr 14 23:22:52 mickeyl: oh well, it looks like it decided to clean everything :) Apr 14 23:23:16 good night :) Apr 14 23:23:21 g'night ;) Apr 14 23:25:25 openmoko: 03mickey * r1759 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/ (7 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-panel-gsm: scratch the current state and reimplement it completely using the nice MokoGsmdConnection abstraction Apr 14 23:30:27 hmm Apr 14 23:30:33 now it is failing at a different point Apr 14 23:30:54 | openmoko-panel-battery.c:26:17: error: apm.h: No such file or directory Apr 14 23:47:42 Hello Apr 14 23:48:12 I am an newbie planning to build openmoko for the first time Apr 14 23:48:35 Do you suggest MokoMakefile or building from scratch myself? Apr 14 23:48:35 prav33n: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 14 23:57:54 prav33n: I would suggest using MokoMakefile on a 32-bit OS running Debian Etch or RHEL4/CentOS4. But I'm biased of course ... Apr 14 23:58:41 I am running Ubuntu 7.04 on a Centrino laptop Apr 14 23:59:14 rwhitby: I thin this is pretty much what you told Apr 14 23:59:16 make sure /bin/sh points to bash, not dash, then you should be ok. Apr 14 23:59:29 rwhitby: Yeah, I did it Apr 14 23:59:44 you should have a smooth ride with MokoMakefile then. Apr 14 23:59:46 rwhitby: I also installed all the build dependencies including psyco Apr 15 00:00:18 rwhitby: My concern was if the process of building from scratch is not too difficult, I could try that Apr 15 00:00:23 sounds like you are well prepared. go type "make" :-) Apr 15 00:00:42 rwhitby: Automated script would keep me blind from a lot of learnings Apr 15 00:01:10 rwhitby: Is building from scratch without MokoMakefile that difficult? Apr 15 00:01:21 prav33n: once it's set up, it types "bitbake" in both cases. Apr 15 00:01:42 rwhitby: Also I don't understand why should I get the entire SVN tree including trunk and branches Apr 15 00:02:04 svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/ openmoko Apr 15 00:02:22 prav33n: cause that's what the official build instructions said. and you get to peek in the developers branches to get sneak previews of the next device :-) Apr 15 00:02:26 This is going to fetch the entire SVN repository tree to my box Apr 15 00:02:43 rwhitby: Oh, OK Apr 15 00:02:56 rwhitby: But initially can I go ahead with just the trunk? Apr 15 00:03:10 yes, I think that's a mistake on OM's part too in the build instructions. but mokomakefile is designed to *exactly* replicate the official build instructions, so it does that too. Apr 15 00:03:35 the difference between just trunk and the whole lot is very small at the moment. Apr 15 00:03:41 rwhitby: Hmm... Apr 15 00:04:14 rwhitby: I am still wondering if I should build by hand or use MokoMakefile Apr 15 00:04:17 just consider that over 2000 people are building with mokomakefile - do you want to set up your environment differently from the official instructions just for the sake of a few bytes? Apr 15 00:04:39 prav33n: seriously, you sound experienced enough that it won't matter either way. Apr 15 00:04:41 rwhitby: Definitely not Apr 15 00:05:17 I would suggest running mokomakefile (then you get any build patches automatically) and using the time you save to read the OpenEmbedded and BitBake manuals. Apr 15 00:05:18 rwhitby: My previous response was your last but previous response Apr 15 00:05:28 rwhitby: Sure Apr 15 00:05:47 you can still go into the mokomakefile build and run things by hand after that. Apr 15 00:05:55 rwhitby: I assume that MotoMakefile is constantly upgraded to match the new instructions Apr 15 00:05:58 (since it replicates the official build procedure) Apr 15 00:06:02 prav33n: yes Apr 15 00:06:10 rwhitby: That was my main concern Apr 15 00:06:19 rwhitby: Now I will go for MotoMakefile Apr 15 00:06:20 and to track the official OE frozen version Apr 15 00:06:27 rwhitby: Great! Apr 15 00:06:57 rwhitby: Thank you so much for your support Apr 15 00:07:12 prav33n: I maintain 3 OE-based distribution (so I know exactly how to do everything by hand), but I use mokomakefile to do everything. it saves typing :-) Apr 15 00:07:32 rwhitby: I am taking my first step towards freeing my phone Apr 15 00:07:46 prav33n: you don't happen to be at tez networks? Apr 15 00:08:00 I also have a higher level Makefile which I run each day which makes sure that all my builds still work. Apr 15 00:08:19 dho: Nope. I am at Sun Microsystems Apr 15 00:08:24 (including OpenMoko, OpenWRT, and nslu2-linux builds) Apr 15 00:08:36 rwhitby: That is awesome Apr 15 00:08:49 Ah ok. Apr 15 00:09:12 the mokomakefile is based on 2 years experience of using OE in my nslu2-linux project. Apr 15 00:09:13 Different Praveen Kumar :) Apr 15 00:09:30 dho: Well, there are a lots here in India Apr 15 00:09:40 dho: It is as common as John Smith ;-) Apr 15 00:09:47 (and deploying a similar Master Makefile in nslu2-linux over a year ago to make building easy for people there) Apr 15 00:09:50 aha :) Apr 15 00:10:46 what's OpenWRT/nslu2-linux? Apr 15 00:11:04 kmeyer: OpenWRT is an open wireless router platform Apr 15 00:11:10 oh really? Apr 15 00:11:14 rwhitby: Please correct me if I am wrong Apr 15 00:11:17 mm Apr 15 00:11:31 openwrt.org and nslu2-linux.org Apr 15 00:11:42 targetted to wireless and NAS devices respectively. Apr 15 00:12:04 rwhitby: I run OpenWRT on my Linksys WRT54GL Apr 15 00:12:18 nslu2-linux uses OE, just like OpenMoko, but from 2 years earlier. Apr 15 00:13:47 oh Apr 15 00:13:51 new image on the buildhost Apr 15 00:13:58 is it weekly builds? Apr 15 00:14:55 I think it's manual, not automatic periodic. Apr 15 00:15:11 ah Apr 15 00:15:34 just looked at the dates Apr 15 00:15:39 mm Apr 15 00:15:49 my linksys WAP probably wouldn't run that, eh Apr 15 00:16:21 ah Apr 15 00:16:23 looking good Apr 15 00:16:36 When I was searching for some native Linux applications for my new Motorola ROKR E6 (EZX platform), I came across OpenMoko Apr 15 00:16:53 kmeyer: The model number should end with L Apr 15 00:17:03 kmeyer: Like WRT54GL Apr 15 00:17:06 prav33n: nope, L Apr 15 00:17:08 er, G Apr 15 00:17:09 :P Apr 15 00:17:12 WAP54G Apr 15 00:17:36 kmeyer: I bought my router from FON for 25 USD Apr 15 00:18:44 I found that OpenMoko uses all of my favorites like GTK+, ipkg (based on dpkg), etc Apr 15 00:18:51 The community is great Apr 15 00:19:10 One of the most organized Wiki pages I have seen Apr 15 00:19:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] Apr 15 00:19:25 I couldn't resist trying it out Apr 15 00:20:08 kmeyer: WAP54G is a work-in-progress in OpenWRT (http://wiki.openwrt.org/WAP54GHowto) Apr 15 00:20:17 I would probably go for an OpenMoko phone instead of an iPhone Apr 15 00:21:00 rwhitby: I just initiated the make setup Apr 15 00:21:11 rwhitby: I have an ADSL+ 2Mbps connection Apr 15 00:21:20 rwhitby: Just wondering about the ETA Apr 15 00:21:29 prav33n: did you add the rm_work tip? or do you alternatively have 9GB free. Apr 15 00:21:51 rwhitby: Oops! Apr 15 00:21:55 rwhitby: I forgot to do that Apr 15 00:22:08 rwhitby: I did free up 12 GB for this Apr 15 00:22:25 rwhitby: Any disadvantages in rm_work? Apr 15 00:22:36 prav33n: you can do it after make setup, before you start the build. Apr 15 00:22:48 rwhitby: Great! Apr 15 00:22:50 prav33n: only disadvantage is if you want to see the built source directory. Apr 15 00:22:55 what does rm_work actually remove? Apr 15 00:23:06 (but then you can comment out rm_work and rebuild that specific package) Apr 15 00:23:21 Vegar: it remove the build dir for each package after it is built. Apr 15 00:23:22 rwhitby: I would rather not go for that hack Apr 15 00:23:27 rwhitby: I do have enough space Apr 15 00:23:29 the .o files? Apr 15 00:23:45 prav33n: it's not a hack. I use it on all my builds. Apr 15 00:24:01 rwhitby: Hmm.. Do you recommend it? Apr 15 00:24:25 ask yourself "do I really need to keep all the gcc source code and object files around after it has been built and installed into the staging area for the rest of the build to use?" Apr 15 00:25:46 since a package rebuild due to a version bump rebuilds the whole thing in a new directory anyway, then there is no reason to keep the build dir unless you are debugging or developing on a specific package Apr 15 00:25:58 rwhitby: Wondering why mtn is pretty aggressive on the CPU Apr 15 00:26:32 rwhitby: Sounds very logical Apr 15 00:26:41 rwhitby: I will go for it :-) Apr 15 00:27:31 prav33n: crypto verification of change history, Apr 15 00:27:43 rwhitby: Oh, OK Apr 15 00:28:01 heh, sylly crypto Apr 15 00:28:19 rwhitby: I never used mtn. I have used cvs, svn, git and clearcase Apr 15 00:28:35 rwhitby: Lately bazaar Apr 15 00:29:32 rwhitby: One more question Apr 15 00:29:47 rwhitby: I don't have the OpenMoko hardware Apr 15 00:30:05 rwhitby: Could I do significant development relying on qemu? Apr 15 00:30:24 yes Apr 15 00:30:30 rwhitby: Great! Apr 15 00:30:48 I find qemu rather slow. Is the device similarly slow? Apr 15 00:30:58 if it's just app development (no kernel or drivers) you can just build for x86 and test there. Apr 15 00:31:06 Vegar: yes Apr 15 00:31:32 but it's horribly slow Apr 15 00:31:50 Vegar: What is your host configuration? Apr 15 00:31:57 Vegar: How much RAM do you have? Apr 15 00:32:01 Vegar: CPU emulation penalty is usually horrible Apr 15 00:32:11 512 MB RAM Apr 15 00:32:27 using the defaults from qemu-neo1973 Apr 15 00:32:53 Vegar: There might be a lot of swapping happening in your system Apr 15 00:33:01 Vegar: I am not very sure about this Apr 15 00:33:44 no changes in swap usage while it's running Apr 15 00:34:08 Vegar: your CPU? Apr 15 00:34:18 Athlon XP 3000+ Apr 15 00:35:04 would kqemu make it any faster? Apr 15 00:35:29 Vegar: kqemu is just a KDE frontend Apr 15 00:35:41 kqemu is a kernel module Apr 15 00:35:48 Vegar: no Apr 15 00:36:02 Vegar: kqemu needs matching CPU Apr 15 00:36:09 it runs code directly on host CPU Apr 15 00:36:14 Vegar: Sorry Apr 15 00:36:16 "kqemu-source - Source for the QEMU Accelerator module" Apr 15 00:36:26 ok, like I suspected Apr 15 00:36:27 Vegar: But is speeds up only if you emulate a PC on a PC Apr 15 00:38:28 I see Apr 15 00:39:02 rwhitby: mtn certificate verification is taking toll on my laptop Apr 15 00:39:21 yep Apr 15 00:39:27 rwhitby: Just 675/4150 revisions in the last 20 minutes Apr 15 00:39:41 rwhitby: Is it usual? Apr 15 00:40:12 which version of the OE.mtn.bz file did it download Apr 15 00:40:31 rwhitby: http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.31.mtn.bz2 Apr 15 00:40:32