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Apr 20 03:00:35 <roh> openstandards ah.. didn't hear from that before...do you see any releasedate? all i can find is a mockup
Apr 20 03:01:46 <openstandards> no but the UI is pretty impressive, i still prefer what fic are offering more 
Apr 20 03:02:29 <openstandards> i like how they decided to display the video 
Apr 20 03:02:52 <roh> you mean wide?
Apr 20 03:02:56 <openstandards> yeah
Apr 20 03:03:12 <roh> thats just software ;)
Apr 20 03:03:21 <openstandards> and same with the photo gallery 
Apr 20 03:03:49 <openstandards> yeah its just software but bloody well designed software
Apr 20 03:04:04 <roh> atm it seems there is no software at all
Apr 20 03:04:07 <roh> just the video
Apr 20 03:04:35 <roh> we'll see.
Apr 20 03:09:23 <openstandards> the lightbox effect is a nice added touch 
Apr 20 03:12:34 <roh> n8 guys
Apr 20 03:12:45 <roh>  .oO(and ladies)
Apr 20 03:14:53 <Sufflope> :( I also get the "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" error with "make qemu"
Apr 20 04:31:04 <jjongsma> Sufflope: did find anything more out on that panic?
Apr 20 04:32:02 <jjongsma> since you can actually build it (mine dies way at the end :() does it do the same thing with your locally built firmware (make flash-qemu-local && make run-qemu)?
Apr 20 05:52:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]]
Apr 20 06:00:14 <high-rez> counter
Apr 20 06:00:15 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 14:59:52 (12.625 +-12.6 days) (936,167)
Apr 20 06:04:24 <high-rez> well i guess i'll sleep, later all, thanks for all your help :)
Apr 20 07:07:02 <Hopscotch> good morning
Apr 20 07:08:20 <kelvin_> morn'
Apr 20 07:11:54 * koen should get the wiimote working on his neo
Apr 20 07:14:19 <xkr47> you have one? nice :D
Apr 20 07:14:44 <xkr47> put it to your pocket and make stepcounter app :D
Apr 20 07:25:45 <balrog-kun> there's a GPS, you don't need to count steps these days
Apr 20 07:39:19 <_ASK> i wonder if they considered hardware keyboard for the phase 1
Apr 20 07:46:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Higher_level_language_options]] [[MokoMakefile]]
Apr 20 08:06:57 <Rakshasa> Morgen alle.
Apr 20 08:12:04 <_ASK> "The A8 is the first of ARM's own processor designs to integrate its Neon integer and floating-point pipelines for media and signal processing. When ARM announced Neon in October of 2004, it said chips supporting Neon instructions could decode an MP3 stream in 8-10MHz. McGuire says Neon helps the A8 deliver a four-fold improvement per clock cycle over media processing capabilities in...
Apr 20 08:12:05 <_ASK> ...ARM9-class processors -- a capability likely to result in larger, higher resolution VGA and WVGA screens on ARM-based video playback devices. Additionally, the A8's low-power media processing capabilities could help push the processor into media encoders and other new application areas, she said."
Apr 20 08:12:29 <_ASK> 1 GHz + FPU; sounds tempting
Apr 20 08:37:23 <aloril> (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Power management concept...
Apr 20 08:52:47 <asdfadf> counter
Apr 20 08:52:48 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 13:33:35 (12.565 +-12.6 days) (937,167)
Apr 20 09:07:57 <Any_Key> \help \msg 
Apr 20 09:08:26 <Any_Key> ooops
Apr 20 09:08:31 <Any_Key> hello to all
Apr 20 09:09:18 <xkr47> \oops
Apr 20 09:10:14 <Any_Key> *oops :Unknown command
Apr 20 09:15:15 <florian> good morning
Apr 20 09:17:22 <Any_Key> morning indeed
Apr 20 09:26:22 <tw12lve> Has the team mentioned who's going to distribute the neo1973?
Apr 20 09:26:22 <aloril> tw12lve: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Apr 20 09:39:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]]
Apr 20 09:57:31 <Rakshasa> What say you, should I add a mention of compiling openmoko in a 32-bit chroot into the wiki? I've had no luck compiling it in 64-bit, but in 32-bit chroot it succeeded the first run...
Apr 20 10:08:13 <Raja> http://www.pastebin.ca/449622
Apr 20 10:11:54 <hrw> morning
Apr 20 10:12:34 <hrw> Rakshasa: I build openmoko on my amd64 under Debian - no problems
Apr 20 10:13:34 <Rakshasa> hrw: Interesting. I've got nothing but problems.
Apr 20 10:14:46 <hrw> Rakshasa: but I use OE for over 3 years
Apr 20 10:15:42 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1810 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (uboot-hxd8.patch uboot-s3c2440.patch): 
Apr 20 10:15:42 <CIA-16> openmoko: * fix interrupt support on S3C2440
Apr 20 10:15:42 <CIA-16> openmoko: * enable USB device support for HXD8 since IRQ support now working
Apr 20 10:17:10 <Rakshasa> hrw: And I've _tried_ to use it for over 3 weeks =P
Apr 20 10:21:01 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03laforge * r1811 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch: * change HXD8 to new USB product id, not to be confused with Neo1973
Apr 20 10:22:05 <woglinde> counter
Apr 20 10:22:10 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 12:48:56 (12.534 +-12.5 days) (938,167)
Apr 20 10:22:16 <hrw> hi woglinde 
Apr 20 10:22:38 <woglinde> hi hrw :)
Apr 20 10:28:33 <Raja> http://www.pastebin.ca/449638
Apr 20 10:30:36 <woglinde> raja hm ist really clear
Apr 20 10:30:38 <woglinde> can't find file to patch at input line 9
Apr 20 10:32:09 <Raja> woglinde:i am tying to build open moko from open moko file
Apr 20 10:32:36 <Raja> at the time of "make setup" i got that error
Apr 20 10:32:51 <zecke> Raja: so either your download is incomplete or MasterMakefile is not up-to-date?
Apr 20 10:33:26 <hrw> argh..
Apr 20 10:33:37 <hrw> sending AT commands from application suxx
Apr 20 10:34:37 <woglinde> hrw hm but whats the alternative?
Apr 20 10:34:42 <Raja> zecke:i downloaded the make file from
Apr 20 10:34:45 <Raja> wget http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile
Apr 20 10:35:48 <hrw> woglinde: the problem is that code which I want to do should be rather in libgsmd instead of application. so I have to write it in a way that it could be added to lib
Apr 20 10:50:10 <Elrond> hrw - Are you from Poznan, or who in here is in Poznan? :)
Apr 20 10:54:14 <ewon> Elrond: you're not the ILUG elrond, are you?
Apr 20 10:54:19 <hrw> Elrond: Poznań
Apr 20 11:09:52 <Elrond> ewon - No.
Apr 20 11:12:28 <Elrond> hrw - Yeah, Pozna\'n.  I'll be there the next week ;)
Apr 20 11:13:10 <hrw> Elrond: conference? or other?
Apr 20 11:14:34 <Elrond> hrw - conference (ramis 2007)
Apr 20 11:18:27 <hrw> it is near Poznan
Apr 20 11:22:17 <Elrond> Yep. South, if I saw it right on the maps.
Apr 20 11:33:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[User:Markk0]] [[Translation_HOWTO]] [[Shipping_Notes]] [[USB_Product_IDs]]
Apr 20 11:46:38 * Stephmw reads the design-by-comittee on the picture viewer posts
Apr 20 11:46:43 <Stephmw> *sigh*
Apr 20 11:54:11 <Vitaly> counter
Apr 20 11:54:12 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 12:02:53 (12.502 +-12.5 days) (939,167)
Apr 20 12:06:44 <Sufflope> jjongsma: yes I get the KP with qemu-local
Apr 20 12:07:02 <Sufflope> I'll try again now, maybe some updates resolved it :D
Apr 20 12:10:15 <Elrond> I wonder, wether the P1.5 will really be June, when P1 is still delayed.
Apr 20 12:16:57 <quickdev> Hello :)
Apr 20 12:24:33 <quickdev> I downloaded https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 and finally ran openmoko/flash.sh - there were some warnings and when I'm starting the emulator, the kernel says: No filesystems could mount root, tried: jffs2, Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
Apr 20 12:26:35 <quickdev> My flash.sh process looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/TcXOqh72.html
Apr 20 12:26:41 <quickdev> Has anyone an idea how to fix it?
Apr 20 12:30:21 <Sufflope> quickdev: I get the same error with the MokoMakeFile
Apr 20 12:30:53 <Sufflope> I just updated my installation (I got an u-boot update) and still this error :(
Apr 20 12:32:32 <quickdev> the flash.sh is obviously doing some incorrect work ;)
Apr 20 12:34:16 <quickdev> Any developer here who can fix it? ;)
Apr 20 12:38:20 <Rakshasa> Same error here. =P
Apr 20 12:41:34 <Vegar> quickdev: did you run download.sh first?
Apr 20 12:42:41 <Vegar> (just making sure)
Apr 20 13:11:57 <quickdev> Vegar: of course
Apr 20 13:27:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Markk0]] [[GPS_Navigation]]
Apr 20 13:30:09 <ewon> counter
Apr 20 13:30:10 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 11:14:54 (12.469 +-12.5 days) (940,167)
Apr 20 13:34:23 <Sufflope> I've looked at some fr.po files and found some errors; the last revision date they indicate is one year ago (one is April 21st :))
Apr 20 13:34:49 <Sufflope> what is the best way to correct/update it (I don't mean, on my computer, but to send it) ?
Apr 20 13:34:59 <Sufflope> attached with a mail to openmoko-devel ?
Apr 20 13:35:44 <jjongsma> roh: in response to question from last night, I'm running ubuntu edgy.  any known issues building with that?
Apr 20 13:36:32 <Sufflope> back to this KP problem :D I'm running Feisty (just upgraded from Edgy)
Apr 20 13:37:23 <jjongsma> can anyone here get "make qemu" to work with the latest updates?
Apr 20 13:46:43 <asdfadf> counter
Apr 20 13:46:43 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 11:06:38 (12.463 +-12.5 days) (941,167)
Apr 20 13:48:47 <jjongsma> when I run make qemu, the flashing process displays the following suspicious message after running: "GTA01Bv4 # nand write.jffs2 0x32000000 rootfs 0x19E4000L"
Apr 20 13:48:54 <jjongsma> NAND write: mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts'
Apr 20 13:48:54 <jjongsma> incorrect device type in rootfs
Apr 20 13:48:54 <jjongsma> 'rootfs' is not a number
Apr 20 13:51:16 <quickdev> jjongsma: many have that error ;)
Apr 20 13:51:22 <quickdev> me, too
Apr 20 13:51:29 <jjongsma> i'm assuming that's the cause of the KP?
Apr 20 13:52:21 <quickdev> maybe - there are additionally further errors
Apr 20 13:52:49 <xkr47> errors for everybody
Apr 20 13:54:33 <Sufflope> re
Apr 20 13:55:25 <quickdev> xkr47: I hope they are fixed soon by the development team
Apr 20 13:56:08 <jjongsma> guess i'll just try again in a week or so and see if anything's changed
Apr 20 13:57:36 <quickdev> someone should send an email to report this bug
Apr 20 13:59:09 <simon___> counter?
Apr 20 13:59:09 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 5 days 11:00:25 (12.459 +-12.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-01);  4 months, 3 weeks, 4 days (148.917 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (942,167)
Apr 20 14:19:51 <SpeedEvil> counter
Apr 20 14:19:51 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 10:50:03 (12.451 +-12.5 days) (943,167)
Apr 20 14:21:23 <pjz> SpeedEvil: give up on the counter; no one knows how long it's going to be :)
Apr 20 14:22:00 <SpeedEvil> Alas, I know this.
Apr 20 14:22:27 <SpeedEvil> I was simply testing a trigger in my client that dumps all URLs found to a clickable links file.
Apr 20 14:22:47 <SpeedEvil> And of course I've been away for several hours, it could have been released, and be orderable.
Apr 20 14:24:02 <Stephmw> it's true that no matter how improbable, it's possible
Apr 20 14:24:20 * SpeedEvil brews a really hot cup of tea.
Apr 20 14:25:36 <Sufflope> no ideas on i18n good manners ?
Apr 20 14:26:03 <Sufflope> I guess I'll have to wake up the openmoko-devel list :D
Apr 20 14:27:11 <abraxa_> Go for it, too few traffic anyway ;3
Apr 20 15:03:53 <Sufflope> abraxa_ : here you are :p
Apr 20 15:04:12 <abraxa_> *looks around*... I'm innocent!
Apr 20 15:43:15 <poffy__> Since OpenMoko is based of Linux, I assume it uses Berkley sockets. Correct?
Apr 20 15:43:33 <mjr> sure
Apr 20 15:45:47 <balrog-kun> it's hard to find an OS that doesn't
Apr 20 15:45:55 <poffy__> Just double checking
Apr 20 15:57:50 <LaF0rge> http://hackndev.com/node/701
Apr 20 15:58:17 <Hopscotch> rofl
Apr 20 15:59:22 * koen mumbles something about openmoko having no clue about correct DPI settings
Apr 20 16:03:58 <LaF0rge> koen: talk to your colleague mickey ;)
Apr 20 16:05:56 <hrw> and then to those which create gui in pixels?
Apr 20 16:06:17 <hrw> or does it scale for proper settings?
Apr 20 16:07:14 <koen> LaF0rge: I fear proper DPI settings is something that won't make it into the neo1973 release due to time constraints
Apr 20 16:07:28 <koen> (even if it's just two small patches)
Apr 20 16:08:47 <hrw> koen: did you started X in 285 dpi on neo?
Apr 20 16:08:58 <koen> I did in the past
Apr 20 16:09:07 <koen> and patched the gtk theme
Apr 20 16:09:11 <koen> (well, used sed)
Apr 20 16:09:28 <hrw> was ~ok?
Apr 20 16:09:36 <koen> yes
Apr 20 16:10:19 <koen> the only 'problem' is that 285/75 isn't an int
Apr 20 16:16:11 <LaF0rge> koen: I don't understand why a change that seems apparently quite simple would not make it
Apr 20 16:16:20 <LaF0rge> koen: I'm actually also still seriously considering EABI
Apr 20 16:16:47 <koen> LaF0rge: the trouble is that after the dpi change 90% of your apps look ok
Apr 20 16:16:58 <LaF0rge> but then wrt. dpi, I'm not an expert on what that takes
Apr 20 16:17:01 <koen> LaF0rge: then you need to hunt down all the hardcoded shit in the remaining 10%
Apr 20 16:17:20 <LaF0rge> koen: which is good anyway.
Apr 20 16:17:40 <LaF0rge> we might need good support for different resolutions sooner than we want :)
Apr 20 16:17:41 <koen> yes, but "it works now" and you have other problems to work on
Apr 20 16:17:59 <koen> I'll cook up a patch and report when I get reunited with my neo
Apr 20 16:18:06 <LaF0rge> koen: I agree.  but wrt. EABI, I think we could actually see quite a bit of gfx speedup (FP emulation acceleration)
Apr 20 16:18:22 <koen> LaF0rge: you are already using softfloat
Apr 20 16:18:32 <LaF0rge> koen: ah, I see. ok. thanks for the reminder ;)
Apr 20 16:18:43 <koen> LaF0rge: the only speedup would be that floatingpoints in eabi are LE, while in softfpa they are BE
Apr 20 16:18:53 <koen> so you save one byteswap
Apr 20 16:19:09 <LaF0rge> ok.  given the amount of scaling and dithering we do, it might be visible
Apr 20 16:19:35 <hrw> and make it compatible with angstrom?
Apr 20 16:19:54 <LaF0rge> koen: which OE conf file do i need to touch to try a complete eabi-based rebuild of OM on our buildhost?
Apr 20 16:19:58 <koen> The o-hand and nokia people I talked to seem to think that using sapwood for pixmap caching would have a huge impact
Apr 20 16:20:12 <LaF0rge> koen: it only supports half of what we need
Apr 20 16:20:24 <LaF0rge> koen: we have to write our own pixmap engine, as it seems
Apr 20 16:21:03 <koen> TARGET_OS = "linux${@['','-gnueabi'][bb.data.getVar('TARGET_ARCH',d,1) in ['arm', 'armeb']]}" 
Apr 20 16:21:16 <koen> that should change arm to eabi
Apr 20 16:21:36 <koen> (slide 12 in http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/talks/ELC2007.pdf )
Apr 20 16:21:49 <PBeck> hi
Apr 20 16:22:10 <florian> LaF0rge: Did you take a look at the theme engine used in Maemo?
Apr 20 16:22:19 <florian> hi PBeck 
Apr 20 16:22:32 <LaF0rge> florian: o-hand and mickey have looked at many things, and apparently nothing works for our requirements
Apr 20 16:22:45 <PBeck> hey florian 
Apr 20 16:22:47 <PBeck> counter
Apr 20 16:22:47 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 09:48:35 (12.409 +-12.4 days) (944,167)
Apr 20 16:23:16 <koen> LaF0rge: sean was amazed by the demo of the sato theme engine
Apr 20 16:23:39 <florian> LaF0rge: ah too bad
Apr 20 16:23:56 <LaF0rge> well, sean is amazed by many things ;)
Apr 20 16:24:36 <hrw> cu
Apr 20 16:24:38 <koen> I wonder if he saw the fancypants demos
Apr 20 16:26:31 <florian> koen: do you have a link to that engine?
Apr 20 16:27:18 <koen> florian: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/sato/trunk/
Apr 20 16:27:34 <bhima|n800> counter
Apr 20 16:27:34 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 09:46:12 (12.407 +-12.4 days) (945,167)
Apr 20 16:28:31 <florian> koen: well... ok, even if i not intended to read the sources to find out what it does 
Apr 20 16:28:34 <florian> :)
Apr 20 16:28:46 <bhima|n800> I wish that some American GSM provider would offer multiple SIM cards.
Apr 20 16:28:51 <cbrake> LaF0rge: has the wifi chip selection been made for the neo yet?
Apr 20 16:29:19 <LaF0rge> cbrake: yes, for the time being
Apr 20 16:29:51 <koen> florian: "Sato is our reference/example GTK+/Matchbox based PDA/smartphone environment aimed primarily at handheld devices with very high DPI VGA displays"
Apr 20 16:30:19 <koen> bhima|n800: I wish US carriers had decent coverage
Apr 20 16:30:27 <koen> gsm in the bay area is a joke
Apr 20 16:30:55 <hrw|gone> florian: sato is in poky ;D
Apr 20 16:31:10 <cbrake> LaF0rge: is this public information?
Apr 20 16:31:19 <bhima|n800> koen: Ick. Even at 850? Isn't the bay area a good place for wifi, though? :)
Apr 20 16:31:27 <LaF0rge> cbrake: well, that the selection has been made: yes. but which one: no
Apr 20 16:31:49 <koen> bhima|n800: for some reason reception fluctuates a lot
Apr 20 16:32:08 <koen> bhima|n800: so I I sit still I can have good reception at one moment, and bad the next
Apr 20 16:32:21 <koen> (not to mention the awfull voice quality)
Apr 20 16:32:21 <balrog-kun> Sato looks greats to me
Apr 20 16:32:27 <balrog-kun> it's also very responsive
Apr 20 16:32:45 <bhima|n800> koen: Interesting. I find that here in FL as well, but the coverage is fine in my area in terms of my ability to actually get calls or data.
Apr 20 16:32:46 <koen> balrog-kun: no, it's *very*, **very** responsive
Apr 20 16:33:31 <bhima|n800> koen: Using my Nokia E70 in one room I'm astonished at how often it gggoes bbbetween full and one bar.
Apr 20 16:33:37 <koen> bhima|n800: maybe it's just cingular being retarded
Apr 20 16:33:46 <bhima|n800> grr. need to turn offff key repeat here.
Apr 20 16:33:48 <pjz> responsive is a win
Apr 20 16:34:05 <bhima|n800> I think that my BBT keyboard gets laggy in sending out key up events sometimes.
Apr 20 16:34:36 <pjz> bluetooth keyboard debouncing :)
Apr 20 16:35:46 <bhima|n800> The other problem is that it doess evil things with modifier sequencing.
Apr 20 16:36:16 <bhima|n800> If you release the FN key modifier before the key goes up, it sends out an un-modified keystroke.
Apr 20 16:36:47 <pjz> oo, ick
Apr 20 16:37:11 <bhima|n800> Doesn't do that with shift; I suspect that shift is handled by the device ratherr than the keyboard.
Apr 20 16:37:38 <bhima|n800> I tried it on my mac as well, and got the same FN key results.
Apr 20 16:37:38 <bhima|n800> I wonder if they updated the firmware to fix it.
Apr 20 16:37:41 <pjz> suprising to me that the kbd handles any mod keys
Apr 20 16:37:49 <pjz> what kind of kbd is it?
Apr 20 16:37:57 <bhima|n800|drivi> pjz: thinkoutside folding keyboard.
Apr 20 16:38:05 <bhima|n800|drivi> It has a blue and green FN key.
Apr 20 16:38:08 <pjz> ooo, I was thinking of getting one of those
Apr 20 16:38:22 <bhima|n800|drivi> green FN + T ->
Apr 20 16:38:24 <pjz> for use with the Neo if & when
Apr 20 16:38:35 <bhima|n800|drivi> bblue FN +T -> 5
Apr 20 16:38:49 <bhima|n800|drivi> I find it mildly irritating.
Apr 20 16:39:16 <pjz> though at this point I'm wondering how worth getting the Phase 1 stuff is going to be if 1+ is so close behind
Apr 20 16:39:20 <bhima|n800|drivi> The key repeat thing is __very_ irritating.
Apr 20 16:39:20 <bhima|n800|drivi> but that could easily be my n800's fault.
Apr 20 16:39:20 <bhima|n800|drivi> need to figure out how to turn off keey repeat on the n800.
Apr 20 16:39:37 <zmef420> hello all i was wondering how the hunt for a wifi chip is going?
Apr 20 16:39:37 <aloril> When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. Also some model later this year probably will include WiFi. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F
Apr 20 16:39:43 <zmef420> haven'r heard much lately
Apr 20 16:39:54 <bhima|n800|drivi> There was some statement about a discount for phase 1 buyers.
Apr 20 16:45:26 <zmef420> +\0
Apr 20 16:56:45 <Sufflope> still the KP about / that can't be mounted, with qemu :(
Apr 20 16:57:18 <Sufflope> I'll review FileZilla 3 French translation to wait :D
Apr 20 17:15:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:Music_Player]]
Apr 20 17:46:55 <shegde> hi!
Apr 20 17:47:11 <shegde> has anyone been able to install open embeded on ubuntu 6.10?
Apr 20 17:47:12 <aloril> shegde: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Apr 20 17:51:04 <prom> shedge: im using oe and openmoko on edgy.
Apr 20 17:51:10 <prom> shedge: works fine.
Apr 20 17:53:03 <prom> shedge: the only special thing you have to do is installing a current monotone.
Apr 20 17:53:12 <shegde> apt-get says it cant find oe
Apr 20 17:53:53 <prom> shedge: why should it? OE is not a package.
Apr 20 17:54:13 <prom> .o( g <=> d, now i got it )
Apr 20 17:55:15 <shegde> well... i follwoed instructions on http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro
Apr 20 17:56:49 <prom> shegde: nobody uses that here, i think. the packages they provide seem to be only metapackages. you dont need those.
Apr 20 17:59:16 <prom> shegde: maybe having a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch will help you. openembedded and openmoko have the same basic build procedure.
Apr 20 18:01:23 <shegde> thanks... will go through that
Apr 20 19:08:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Cracatau]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Basic_End-user]]
Apr 20 19:50:44 <kiney> counter
Apr 20 19:50:44 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 08:04:37 (12.337 +-12.3 days) (946,167)
Apr 20 19:51:37 <ewon> [ot] can anyone here resolve garm.n-i.nhs.uk
Apr 20 19:52:07 <cjb> ewon: there are websites that will do that for you.  There's no need to ask us.
Apr 20 19:52:21 <SpeedEvil> no.
Apr 20 19:52:25 <SpeedEvil> I can't.
Apr 20 19:52:30 <ewon> cjb: I've tried every machine I have access to :)
Apr 20 19:52:35 <cjb> (and since it's not a top-level domain, the result any website gets will be the same as for all of us.)
Apr 20 19:52:37 <SpeedEvil> I don't think nhs.uk is a valid second level domain
Apr 20 19:52:44 <cjb> ewon: then the answer is no.
Apr 20 19:52:45 <SpeedEvil> nhs.gov.uk maybe
Apr 20 19:52:48 <ewon> tis
Apr 20 19:52:53 <ewon> ping nhs.uk, it exists
Apr 20 19:52:58 <cjb> SpeedEvil: www.nhs.uk, etc.
Apr 20 19:53:08 <SpeedEvil> Meh.
Apr 20 19:53:20 <ewon> I noticed garm.n-i.nhs.uk in my website access logs and though it looked a little odd
Apr 20 20:09:44 <charkins> Howdy folks. Trying to build openmoko-devel-image using the MokoMakefile and openmoko-panel-battery is failing on missing apm.h. Is this a known issue?
Apr 20 20:09:44 <aloril> charkins: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Apr 20 20:10:55 <charkins> I also have MACHINE="x86" in local.conf.
Apr 20 21:03:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Talk:Music_Player]] [[Accelerometer_Fundamentals]]
Apr 20 22:50:18 <kiney> counter
Apr 20 22:50:19 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 06:34:50 (12.274 +-12.3 days) (947,167)
Apr 20 23:06:44 <charkins> I'm trying to build openmoko-devel-image using MokoMakefile and it is failing building openmoko-panel-battery because it is failing to include apm.h.
Apr 21 00:16:29 <sixfeet> counter
Apr 21 00:16:29 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 5 days 05:51:44 (12.244 +-12.2 days) (948,167)
Apr 21 00:51:23 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]]
Apr 21 01:23:58 <Cassano> hello
Apr 21 01:24:31 <Cassano> this is the channel for the onpen source phone yeah?
Apr 21 01:24:32 <aloril> Cassano: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Apr 21 01:31:04 <Cassano> it looks like around late April the 1973 will be available for purchase will it be Useable by then?
Apr 21 01:35:17 <Cassano> i just read the FAQ it looks to be an awsome phone maybe i will come back in 6-7 months and buy 1. is it going to be sold in Australia?
Apr 21 01:42:18 <chadp> hopefully - if not it can be imported
Apr 21 01:58:02 <sixfeet> n8
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