**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 22 02:59:57 2007 Apr 22 04:24:21 Hello OpenMoko people! Apr 22 04:26:56 is the OpenMoko SDK available as a VMWare virtual machine? Apr 22 04:26:57 bradya: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 22 04:43:01 Wow Apr 22 04:43:08 OpenMoko has too much NIH Apr 22 04:43:16 Case in point: alarm daemon Apr 22 04:43:33 ...there's this venerable thing called 'atd'... Apr 22 05:00:55 or, heck, it looks like maemo has an 'alarmd' that's more suitable Apr 22 05:26:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Alarm_daemon]] Apr 22 06:35:21 Alarm deemon may be wanted to do lots more than atd though. Apr 22 06:35:39 Alarm on [lack of] bluetooth proximity, GPS, ... Apr 22 07:25:13 counter? Apr 22 07:25:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 4 days 14:17:22 (11.595 +-11.6 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-02); 4 months, 3 weeks, 3 days (147.191 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (957,167) Apr 22 07:42:08 where is the counter Apr 22 07:42:15 where can i find it Apr 22 07:44:10 wehttamb: just type coutner Apr 22 07:44:11 counter Apr 22 07:44:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 14:07:54 (11.589 +-11.6 days) (958,168) Apr 22 07:44:46 ...though it's more a fun toy than anything accurate ;) Apr 22 07:45:10 rand()*2weeks + rand()*365? :o Apr 22 07:45:30 what's this number? (958,168) Apr 22 07:46:33 (number of couter views, unique views) Apr 22 07:46:36 counter Apr 22 07:46:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 14:06:41 (11.588 +-11.6 days) (959,168) Apr 22 07:46:49 ah Apr 22 07:46:56 i thought it was 958 *freaking* thousand Apr 22 07:59:07 counter Apr 22 07:59:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 14:00:25 (11.584 +-11.6 days) (960,169) Apr 22 07:59:18 counter? Apr 22 07:59:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 4 days 14:00:20 (11.584 +-11.6 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-02); 4 months, 3 weeks, 3 days (147.167 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (961,169) Apr 22 07:59:22 cool Apr 22 08:13:38 pjz, maemo's alarmd is quite maemo specific in many places... Apr 22 08:22:19 counter Apr 22 08:22:19 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 13:48:49 (11.576 +-11.6 days) (962,169) Apr 22 08:51:28 good morning Apr 22 08:53:22 Morning! Apr 22 08:56:23 Morning. Apr 22 09:02:43 morning Apr 22 09:06:26 counter Apr 22 09:06:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 13:26:46 (11.560 +-11.6 days) (963,169) Apr 22 09:07:17 It's like being a kid waiting for christmas morning again. Apr 22 09:07:47 * ewanm89 agrees Apr 22 09:09:24 I'm still stuck wondering if I can justify getting the P1 model when the P1.5 is threatening to have wifi. Apr 22 09:09:41 Does anyone know what the discount that's mentioned on the site will be? Apr 22 09:13:31 rycuda: Nope but the discount will be announced when P1 starts Apr 22 09:14:38 I'll just have to hope that it's enough that I can persuade myself that I /can/ afford both. Thanks for the info abraxa_ Apr 22 09:14:49 rycuda: Yeah, same here ;) Apr 22 09:15:01 Though I know I won't be able to resist P1... Apr 22 09:15:37 I doubt I'll be able to either abraxa_. Especially since my PDA has gone missing and my phone is showing signs of death. Apr 22 09:20:38 Have any nifty ideas beyond the normal for it abraxa_ ? Apr 22 09:21:47 Whatcha mean? Apr 22 09:25:38 Spatially aware device with net access. I live in a house with 3 other geeks, we've got zoned audio going on an MPD server. it'd be nice if it knew when I left for wor so it could stop waking me up with music =) Apr 22 09:27:27 Sounds fun! Apr 22 09:28:06 I myself am more "conservative" when it comes to app development cause I'll mainly use it as an "improved" organizer Apr 22 09:28:19 So I wanna get the base apps up and running asap Apr 22 09:31:15 Probably more sensible. That's the want/need devide though. I need the pim stuff. I want the ubiquitous computing stuff. Apr 22 09:43:22 alphaone: hi, are you there? Apr 22 11:36:00 * aloril2 wonders if there will be official info before counter runs out Apr 22 11:36:31 when is that? Apr 22 11:36:35 counter Apr 22 11:36:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 12:11:41 (11.508 +-11.5 days) (964,169) Apr 22 11:36:55 23 days Apr 22 11:37:36 i'd be more interested in a p1.5 estimate by now Apr 22 11:37:54 rumor says its subcontractor problem: LCD yield is 15% Apr 22 11:38:12 mhh Apr 22 11:38:13 so any p will be delayed Apr 22 11:38:28 that depends on the contract with the subcontractor really Apr 22 11:38:46 not really Apr 22 11:38:53 the lcd dudes can't deliver Apr 22 11:39:04 the openmoko dudes don't have a replacement Apr 22 11:39:06 delays Apr 22 11:39:14 well, they might not be able to deliver in volume Apr 22 11:39:20 unless the contract has "time machine" in it Apr 22 11:39:44 or a clause forcing the lcd dudes to produce as much crap as they need to get working units Apr 22 11:40:31 if it's really a subcontractors fault, then i wonder why fic doesnt communicate it Apr 22 11:46:09 hey guys! Apr 22 11:46:16 not to this channel, sry:D Apr 22 11:49:43 buz: maybe they consider it bad manner to pulicly blame them Apr 22 11:50:21 well, they need not say whom is delaying it, saying a crucial part is not available in quantity would be good enough Apr 22 11:50:49 but then again, i never quite understood asian ideas of politeness Apr 22 11:52:13 * aloril2 wonder if this could delay stuff enough so that P1 == P1.5 Apr 22 11:52:32 i've been wondering about that for a while now Apr 22 11:52:35 probably now Apr 22 11:52:41 since the PCBs are ready Apr 22 11:53:23 s/now/no/ Apr 22 11:53:25 ehm Apr 22 11:53:29 now/not Apr 22 11:53:47 i think it would depend on how long until p1.5 pcb are ready Apr 22 11:54:07 if those can be ready very soon, it might make sense to skip 1.0 Apr 22 11:54:38 I get the feeling FIC is sitting on a few k pcbs without a screen Apr 22 11:54:42 with enough LCD delay there could instead be 2 different models Apr 22 11:54:58 a QVGA lowend product? Apr 22 11:55:24 official way is that p1.5 (gta01bv5) is not ready and gta01bv4 is in tests to fix some problems Apr 22 11:56:07 in that case they might not be sitting on a few k v4 Apr 22 11:56:22 or might have to dispose of them anyhow Apr 22 11:57:07 but I do not know how it looks internally Apr 22 12:04:40 * balrog-kun has only seen mentions of GTA02 but not of GTA01bv5 Apr 22 12:06:21 balrog-kun: bv5 is a name which I used for socalled p1.5 device Apr 22 12:10:00 hrw|gone: it says "GTA01Bv4 - v4 of the Prototype with Bluetooth - This is Phase 1" Apr 22 12:10:10 and then "GTA02 - The improvied GTA01 - This is Phase 1+ and Phase 2" Apr 22 13:04:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Apr 22 13:39:02 counter Apr 22 13:39:02 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 11:10:28 (11.466 +-11.5 days) (965,169) Apr 22 14:06:41 Anyone around who has access to the OpenMoko SVN? Apr 22 14:07:08 (and OE SVN) Apr 22 14:09:09 err... OE monotone, of course. Apr 22 14:10:03 I have access to OE Apr 22 14:11:34 It's just something minor: in conf/distro/include/openmoko.inc it says DISTRO_NAME="OpenMoKo" and I thought it would be nice to correct it :) Apr 22 14:12:06 add patch to openmoko bugzilla Apr 22 14:12:19 OpenMoKo was first name Apr 22 14:12:38 Ah okay Apr 22 14:13:17 Will do Apr 22 14:24:17 is there something like http://www.symonds.id.au/marcopolo/ for linux? Apr 22 14:24:27 if so, we need it on openmoko Apr 22 14:25:15 there's geoclue Apr 22 14:25:42 i've been thinking of implementing a backend for geoclue that works like marcopolo Apr 22 14:27:21 I was just thinking it would take openmoko to a slightly higher level if you could do things like 'show me nearby contacts' Apr 22 14:27:37 or even just make location-aware todo lists Apr 22 14:27:58 it's been discussed Apr 22 14:28:11 normal todo items, but with a checkbox 'alert me when I'm near location X' Apr 22 14:30:34 pjz: that sounds like a very bright idea. i'm just commenting it to show that there are tinterest in it ;) Apr 22 14:31:25 r4kY: oh, I'm sure it's on the wishlist somewhere Apr 22 14:32:31 pjz: hehe.. probably.. i'm just reading a little on the channel, not knowing to much about the project itself, and saw something i wantet to comment ;) Apr 22 14:33:12 pjz: but it would be a pretty fancy feature :) Apr 22 14:35:13 that is a feature we definitely need Apr 22 14:35:28 but it's just one aspect of location awareness Apr 22 14:38:18 Yeah, also need to be able to tag locations with convenient names and do automatic setting of things (like device profile) based on location (eg. vibrate mode in movie theaters) Apr 22 14:38:32 lots of things should be more location-aware Apr 22 14:39:31 I can imagine power consumption being a problem Apr 22 14:39:35 if the GPS is on all the time Apr 22 14:40:00 it would allso be nice if it could tell about historic events perheaps.. if your on vication, you would get a notice when your aproaching a landmark or a historic event. og even let users share experiences that apply to a specific location Apr 22 14:40:01 it doesn't have to be solely GPS based Apr 22 14:40:01 it's not on all the time Apr 22 14:40:24 bluetooth based, for instance Apr 22 14:40:33 or wifi based (if/when we get wifi) Apr 22 14:40:41 pjz: exactly Apr 22 14:40:58 GPS isn't really bad. Apr 22 14:41:14 It's the CPU being on all the time consequencially that'll kill you. Apr 22 14:41:27 GPS is probably around half of 'slow mode' power use. Apr 22 14:41:58 However, you can take a GPS position in 1 second, and sleep for a minute. Apr 22 14:42:15 benefit of agps Apr 22 14:42:19 Nope. Apr 22 14:42:24 Nothing to do with AGPS. Apr 22 14:42:29 It's just normal GPS. Apr 22 14:42:34 heck, for location awareness, could sleep for 2-5 minutes Apr 22 14:42:52 well, with remembering the rough location of the satellites Apr 22 14:42:56 The 'A' part only really comes in to play when for some reason you can't see the sky for 12 minutes sometime every few weks. Apr 22 14:43:04 or even base sleep time on observed speed Apr 22 14:43:38 eg. I'm not moving much so the sleep time could get longer and longer Apr 22 14:43:52 optimal case would be that it'd wake up every hour or so Apr 22 14:44:16 depends on if you want location-specific alarms Apr 22 14:44:21 then you'll need better checking Apr 22 14:44:27 true Apr 22 14:44:41 maybe 5 minutes is good Apr 22 14:44:48 b/c I can certainly go to the store and be back in an hour. Difficult to do that in, say, 5 or maybe even 10 mins. Apr 22 14:46:11 there's no optimal frequency for all use Apr 22 14:46:31 but 5 minutes sounds nice Apr 22 14:46:48 however, the phone should also check it's location before ringing Apr 22 14:47:15 so that if the location did indeed change it wouldn't cause anything embarrassing to the trusting user :) Apr 22 14:50:41 location checking should be done on a sliding scale Apr 22 14:50:56 if the last location was remarkably different than the current one, frequency should increase Apr 22 14:51:00 check when if it gets 'woken up' too Apr 22 14:51:09 because chances are that you are "on the road " Apr 22 14:51:27 then after some minutes of barely any changes you can lower the frequency again Apr 22 14:57:01 i just don't know if it's any use knowing the exact place you are in if you are for example driving? Apr 22 14:59:53 So... When you are at home with access to a charger, the phone doesn't use power.. Then when you are "on the road" with no access to power... The GPS will eat your battery... And as you run home to charge it, it uses bettery even faster :D Apr 22 15:01:31 GaKkGaKk: exactly :) Apr 22 15:01:51 Reverse Intelligence Apr 22 15:02:56 GaKkGaKk you only need the gps when setting up the location to ringtone/profile mapping. Apr 22 15:03:56 when you know how the mapping looks you can store the gsm cellids which you already have when you are a gsm phone which rings and use that as 'location' Apr 22 15:04:40 cell id is just another way of determining the location Apr 22 15:04:47 its not perfectly sharp, but works well enough for 'never ring in university or school, just use the vibra there' Apr 22 15:10:09 cell id is the lowest power usage location detector; it's essentially free with GSM Apr 22 15:10:45 pjz: cellid is not up to few kilometers? Apr 22 15:10:50 so maybe it should be used as a first approximation Apr 22 15:11:10 and only turn on the GPS once we're in a cellid that we know holds an interesting location Apr 22 15:12:09 so as long as we're in a cellID that we know doesn't have any interesting locations, we can avoid powering up the GPS Apr 22 15:12:35 of course, to do that we have to have gone to all our interesting locations and noticed the cellids there :) Apr 22 15:14:19 cell ID is at most 15Km diameter. Apr 22 15:14:19 pjz: or, if it's many km's away, you know that it's not on the cellid you are near of, so you don't need to power on the gps anyway? Apr 22 15:14:22 Or is it radius. Apr 22 15:14:44 Or rather - cell tower, assuming they don't reuse IDs. Apr 22 15:15:02 what if several cell ids are available? Apr 22 15:15:14 GPS is essentially free - if you only query it once every 5 mins. Apr 22 15:15:41 guaqua cellid in cities is max a few hundred metres Apr 22 15:16:04 were not in a third world state most of the time, and on the road you propably don't care at all Apr 22 15:17:12 For GPS, a position every 5 minutes drains the battery by 1/1800th a day. Apr 22 15:17:25 That is wild... Apr 22 15:17:56 SpeedEvil: but also have to take into account the fact that you need processor for it every tiem Apr 22 15:17:59 Then why can we not have a GPS that shows position every 5 minutes... and lasts for 1800 days? Apr 22 15:18:02 :) Apr 22 15:18:04 It's probably more like 1/1000th if you have to wake up from suspend, go to sleep mode, do the GPS, do the sums, go to sleep. Apr 22 15:18:24 It'd probably last > 1 year - if that was all you did. Apr 22 15:18:41 The cellphone bit uses orders of magnitudes more power. Apr 22 15:18:46 Not if it had a screen... :\ Apr 22 15:19:08 The cellphone bit (idle) and the GPS bit uses about the same power. Apr 22 15:19:18 Yeah - that's assuming screen is off. Apr 22 15:23:03 SpeedEvil i wouldnt want to give any prediction how much power something on the phone uses atm. and i even have one already Apr 22 15:31:33 It's reasonable to assume that with the CPU in 'off' mode, it uses no power. Apr 22 15:31:50 Or nearly no power. Apr 22 15:32:04 And I'm comparing similar functionality GPS chips. Apr 22 15:32:17 SpeedEvil to assume anything atm is completely guessing. Apr 22 15:32:28 To an extent, yes. Apr 22 15:32:30 and there is no similar choip. Apr 22 15:32:43 eh chip Apr 22 15:32:49 The maxim MAX??? is moderately similar. Apr 22 15:32:58 or at least i know of no other device which the gl thingie Apr 22 15:33:04 It has no GPS preamp onboard. Apr 22 15:33:23 there is a preamp and the GL gps 'softmodem' Apr 22 15:33:27 You have to start out with the fact that datasheets are rarely complete lies though. Apr 22 15:34:04 normal ones have an own arm7 just for calculating the position added inside the gps Apr 22 15:34:09 Anyway - the GPS chip simlpy can't use as much power so as to be comparable with the GSM in idle, when constantly powered. Apr 22 15:35:02 I mean with the GPS pulsed every minute. Apr 22 15:35:22 SpeedEvil as i said. no problem at all. regardless of gps or gsm because the gsm is in standby and you only need the position when it rings. when you just carry it around the phone does not need to care where it is Apr 22 15:35:34 no pulsating. whatfor? Apr 22 15:36:05 Normally, with the phone waiting for a call, AIUI, it'll be off. Apr 22 15:36:08 the cpu is off, the ram is in self-refresh. only the gsm part is powered at all Apr 22 15:36:10 (the CPU) Apr 22 15:36:44 so you need to take a GPS position occasionally, wake the CPU up into slow mode, turn the GPS on, wait for it to aquire a signal, do the trivial processing, and go to sleep. Apr 22 15:38:03 s/you need/in order to/ Apr 22 15:38:39 SpeedEvil when you wake up you already know where you are from the cellid. and if you do not know if the one you 'see' is in or outside your 'profile-area' you can also ask the gps which is assisted (hopefully) and will give you a location in less than 5 secs after start. hopefully about 1 sec for a lock outside a building Apr 22 15:38:55 not that old sirf-shit which takes about 30 secs from a coldstart Apr 22 15:39:51 roh: define coldstart Apr 22 15:40:09 roh: start without almanac and ephemerides? i doubt. Apr 22 15:40:30 nibbler_de the almanac is cached. thats the trick for agps ;) Apr 22 15:40:45 ok - but it still needs the ephemerides Apr 22 15:40:54 It has that though. Apr 22 15:41:03 Unless you've been 12 weeks outside the view of the sky. Apr 22 15:41:12 you need far less Apr 22 15:41:17 Teh almanac has been cached for _ages_ for GPSs. Apr 22 15:41:17 nibbler_de i dunno how long the gl can do, but the ublox guys say '1 sec' and it works (tried on cebit) Apr 22 15:41:17 isn't it six weeks? Apr 22 15:41:18 * nibbler_de is looking up the actual time Apr 22 15:41:23 12/6 meh Apr 22 15:41:28 roh: that's not cold-stard Apr 22 15:41:30 ?? Apr 22 15:41:31 siXfeet: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 22 15:41:38 The trick with the hammerhead/... is the massively parallel correlators. Apr 22 15:41:39 roh: that's reacquisition. (which is ok too) Apr 22 15:41:43 counter Apr 22 15:41:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 10:09:07 (11.423 +-11.4 days) (966,169) Apr 22 15:41:46 nibbler_de the ublox cache for about 2 weeks Apr 22 15:42:05 That's the biggy, as it means you don't have to slowly slew through the waveform looking for a match with the satellite codes. Apr 22 15:42:07 nibbler_de cache means flash here Apr 22 15:42:22 reacquisition would be when not powered down completely Apr 22 15:42:28 you have several hundred correlators that do it directly, speeding up per-satellite lock times by orders of magnitudes. Apr 22 15:43:17 ack Apr 22 15:43:49 It's like a dumb algorithm might match a tune by checking every tune from the beginning, and it needs to wait for the beginning to get an idea, but a human can guess from the middle what the tune is. Apr 22 15:43:55 it's not the signal lock time - it's the actual recording of the signal Apr 22 15:44:09 It's both really. Apr 22 15:44:25 And your knowledge of the signal format. Apr 22 15:44:57 And your position of course. Apr 22 15:45:34 Hey all. can anyone help me get the development environment setup? Apr 22 15:45:35 Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) Apr 22 15:46:58 counte Apr 22 15:47:01 counter Apr 22 15:47:02 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 10:06:28 (11.421 +-11.4 days) (967,170) Apr 22 15:50:13 montgoss: What are you having troubles with? Apr 22 15:50:29 ok. cold start is without ephemerides and almanac and takes 12,5 for "download" via gps, but with you can get the almanac via network - how about the ephemerides? Apr 22 15:50:38 12,5 minutes that is Apr 22 15:50:56 nibbler_de you can cache them quite some time and also get them via network afaik Apr 22 15:51:14 abraxa_:: "corrupted pack file" seems to be the problem Apr 22 15:51:15 only 2-6 hours Apr 22 15:51:54 almanac can be longer - that's why i keep thurayaphones next to my window for the night before shipping them to customers -> less complaints ;-) Apr 22 15:52:07 montgoss: If I remember correctly that's a monotone issue that wasn't supposed to occur anymore Apr 22 15:52:25 nibbler_de take a look here http://www.u-blox.com/technology/assistnow/assistnow_offline.html they can explain better Apr 22 15:52:28 montgoss: Can you copy the output to a pastebin and give us the URL? Apr 22 15:52:52 abraxa_ monotone hates me. I had a different monotone issue the first time I tried to get the environment setup... :-( Apr 22 15:52:54 roh: that's the manufacturer? Apr 22 15:53:00 s: Can you copy the output to a pastebin and give us Apr 22 15:53:00 the URL? Apr 22 15:53:00 17:53 < montgoss> abraxa_ monotone hates me. I had a different monotone issue Apr 22 15:53:16 wtf!, sry Apr 22 15:53:20 lol Apr 22 15:53:25 nibbler_de atm we have a GlobalLocate hammerhead Apr 22 15:53:56 abraxa_: is there a way to fix this monotone issue? reinstall it or something? Apr 22 15:54:12 nibbler_de the only reason for showing you the ublox is that i know how they call all the stuff Apr 22 15:54:23 montgoss: I'd like to see your log output to better see what the issue may be Apr 22 15:54:37 montgoss whats you mtn version? Apr 22 15:55:02 monotone 0.32 (base revision: 3f0fa5c1d232d37d47f6436fe74919dd3cd003b1) Apr 22 15:55:19 should be new enough (i use 0.31) Apr 22 15:55:45 abraxa_: you just want the output to the command line? or is there actually a log file somewhere? Apr 22 15:55:53 The AGPS page on the wiki also explains it as it applies to the GPS hardware in the neo. Apr 22 15:56:03 montgoss: Command line, yeps Apr 22 15:56:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS Apr 22 15:59:41 abraxa_: did you get that output? Apr 22 16:00:18 Did you send it by PM? Apr 22 16:00:28 I tried to... Apr 22 16:00:41 not too familiar with IRC Apr 22 16:00:47 Yeah, didn't go through cause you need to be registered before being able to send PMs here Apr 22 16:01:00 hmm... how does one register? Apr 22 16:01:14 you have to talk with nickserv Apr 22 16:01:15 /msg nickserv register password Apr 22 16:01:20 Just use pastebin.ca Apr 22 16:01:26 will register you with a password of 'password'. Apr 22 16:01:39 then you use /msg nickserv login password later. Apr 22 16:01:41 uuuh.. i have to go. i'm beeing called to a sunday-park-party Apr 22 16:01:45 Wave. Apr 22 16:04:03 yeah.. bbl Apr 22 16:29:53 http://www.globallocate.com/SEMICONDUCTORS/Semi_Libr_Piece/IndoorGPSTechnology.pdf is an interesting PDF - though with no concrete numbers for the hammerhead GPS chip, it gives background. And even plots. Apr 22 16:36:35 montgoss: it could be old git issue IIRC Apr 22 16:39:59 aloril2: I found a newer version of git. The make is going good so far. Apr 22 16:41:55 hi Apr 22 16:46:35 hey people can anyone help me out with this http://rafb.net/p/8kx3i694.html Apr 22 16:50:13 What version of git are you using, Sup3rkiddo? Apr 22 16:50:41 abraxa_, 4.3.20 Apr 22 16:51:03 Hm... might wanna try updating Apr 22 16:51:32 abraxa_, oh..thats the latest in the portage.. Apr 22 16:51:35 * Sup3rkiddo syncs Apr 22 16:52:12 um Apr 22 16:52:18 What does "git --version" say? Apr 22 16:53:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:UPS_Worldwide_Express_Saver]] Apr 22 16:53:45 abraxa_, GNU Interactive Tools 4.3.20 or am i using the wrong "git" Apr 22 16:54:58 Looks like it cause I'm running v1.4.4.4 Apr 22 16:55:30 http://gentoo-portage.com/dev-util/git Apr 22 16:55:32 abraxa_, ah..ok..i am running the wrong git... Apr 22 16:56:09 abraxa_, thanks..you confirmed my doubts Apr 22 16:56:25 Let's hope it works flawlessly then ;) Apr 22 16:57:05 abraxa_, yeah it should...i am doing the build from a fresh installation...have done it before Apr 22 16:59:51 Deja vú Apr 22 16:59:55 abraxa_ do you have a openmoko ? Apr 22 16:59:55 counter Apr 22 16:59:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 09:30:01 (11.396 +-11.4 days) (968,170) Apr 22 17:00:05 SrRaven: I wish :) Apr 22 17:00:11 meh Apr 22 17:00:16 I want more pictures of it :( Apr 22 17:00:25 Koen took plenty Apr 22 17:00:56 SrRaven, Correction..you should have askes "Do you have a neo"...everyone in this channel should have a openmoko ;p Apr 22 17:01:01 *asked Apr 22 17:01:11 yeah I know :P Apr 22 17:02:26 SrRaven: Check out http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=neo1973 maybe? Apr 22 17:04:53 yeah thanks Apr 22 17:05:08 I wanted more pics to see the really good resolution screen Apr 22 17:06:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_AUX_button Apr 22 17:06:35 shows the corner of the screen quite well. Apr 22 17:07:55 SrRaven: photos of a ~300DPI screen displayed on a ~100-ish monitor (if that) will suck, no matter how sharp the photo is ;) Apr 22 17:08:05 counter Apr 22 17:08:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 09:25:57 (11.393 +-11.4 days) (969,170) Apr 22 17:08:45 SrRaven: http://www.sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8392.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=2 Apr 22 17:09:59 That reminds me to update neo ;) Apr 22 17:15:31 nniiiice pic Apr 22 17:16:34 ooo Apr 22 17:17:50 I wants it Apr 22 18:03:27 wow, the new image is actually beginning to look like a smartphone Apr 22 18:18:45 tiny tiny tiny fonts Apr 22 18:19:09 * CoreDump|afk finds them quite readable Apr 22 18:19:16 in the device? Apr 22 18:19:25 yeah Apr 22 18:19:27 also, on the go? Apr 22 18:19:32 or just sitting at your desk? Apr 22 18:19:35 desk Apr 22 18:19:41 yep Apr 22 18:19:44 big difference :) Apr 22 18:19:56 =) I'll try open sunlight sometimes Apr 22 18:31:57 no! suntan skin looks non-geek Apr 22 18:38:22 well, I didn't say I would expose myself to the sun, just the phone =) Apr 22 18:41:05 but you'll have to be well protected against the rays, they make you look non-geek in an instant Apr 22 18:54:04 SPF60 works wonders against that evil daystar Apr 22 19:25:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Gattm - I'll never understand the minds of people like that. Writing that into the wiki... Apr 22 19:27:37 abraxa_: usually they are from india Apr 22 19:28:04 * koen deletes some more help demands from .in addresses from his inbox Apr 22 19:28:10 demands, not requests Apr 22 19:28:15 lol... Apr 22 19:28:23 How sad. Apr 22 19:29:20 Makes me wonder whether it's true that Indian people get the jobs the western managers outsource to there, then demanding we help them getting their job done Apr 22 19:29:58 dunno Apr 22 19:30:19 could be that it's a culture of shy people, so only the assholes send mails Apr 22 19:31:34 i have wondered about this before, yes Apr 22 19:31:34 cool we're in flaming and overgeneralising mode Apr 22 19:32:03 welcome to IRC Apr 22 19:32:09 best explanation i can come up with centers around indian educational system Apr 22 19:32:25 which as i am told puts practically no weight on figuring stuff out yourself Apr 22 19:32:27 balrog-kun: I'm merely wondering since I've heard this from various sources and can't help but raise an eyebrow at the thought. Apr 22 19:33:59 abraxa_: the concept exists around the world, really. first you replace working stuff, then you figure out you dont have a clue so consultants must fix it... Apr 22 19:34:27 or you sell stuff you dont have a clue about Apr 22 19:34:50 buz: Who's "you" in that scenario? The managers? Apr 22 19:35:05 can be anybody really Apr 22 19:35:14 usually its sales staff Apr 22 19:35:31 (well knowing their company doesnt have the slightest clue) Apr 22 19:36:16 to one up the concept, look at management consulting. Apr 22 19:36:33 first customer explains business to consultants, who then pull "solutions" out of thin air Apr 22 19:37:35 (off the record, consultants freely admit to that) Apr 22 19:38:01 so no, i dont think it's india specific ;) Apr 22 19:38:12 Makes me so glad I don't have to deal with that...yet. Apr 22 19:38:35 go tell me. i should figure out what to do after uni in fall Apr 22 19:38:38 hello! Apr 22 19:39:24 Hellos Apr 22 19:46:42 hi Apr 22 20:16:06 mmh,just had a weird/funny idea.A alarm clock application for the openmoko.Each day you get a different symbol and you have to draw it with the stylus or the alarm wont stop Apr 22 20:16:19 :D Apr 22 20:16:32 "sorry symbol not recognized" Apr 22 20:16:42 i would smash the device on the fourth day Apr 22 20:16:54 hehe its just a fun idea Apr 22 20:17:15 thresh, or maybe open it up and disconnect the speakers ;) Apr 22 20:17:31 far too expensive to do that :D Apr 22 20:17:41 every half an hour would be more fun because you wouldn't get any sleep, ever thought about this? Apr 22 20:19:35 or maybe it could track your sleep cycles and wake you up at the optimal point ;) Apr 22 20:20:16 choosing the song that you hate the most everytime :) Apr 22 20:20:20 and make some coffee Apr 22 20:20:55 yeah it could extract water from the air Apr 22 20:24:20 i wonder how long it will take for the first wifi-hacking apps to be ported to openmoko Apr 22 20:29:34 Don't need to port as such. Apr 22 20:37:18 Hi all, back at home (elections day here in France) Apr 22 20:37:19 ipkg packages Apr 22 20:37:43 any news about the Qemu image that doesn't boot ? Apr 22 20:37:56 (generated with MokoMakeFile) Apr 22 20:43:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Gattm]] Apr 22 20:48:10