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Apr 26 03:00:06 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03werner * r1841 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/nand-dynamic_partitions.patch: (log message trimmed)
Apr 26 03:00:06 <CIA-16> openmoko: drivers/nand/nand_bbt.c: added blank line after #if to make it easier to spot
Apr 26 03:00:06 <CIA-16> openmoko: drivers/nand/nand_bbt.c:dynpart_size, dynpart_names: don't declare arrays as
Apr 26 03:00:06 <CIA-16> openmoko:  pointers
Apr 26 03:00:06 <CIA-16> openmoko: drivers/nand/nand_bbt.c:MTDPARTS_MAX_SIZE: new #define for the size of the
Apr 26 03:00:09 <CIA-16> openmoko:  mtdparts string
Apr 26 03:00:12 <CIA-16> openmoko: drivers/nand/nand_bbt.c:nand_create_mtd_dynpart: removed bogus zeroing of
Apr 26 03:36:35 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03werner * r1842 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/nand-dynamic_partitions.patch: 
Apr 26 03:36:35 <CIA-16> openmoko: drivers/nand/nand_bbt.c:nand_create_mtd_dynpart: mtdparts termination was
Apr 26 03:36:35 <CIA-16> openmoko:  correct. I misunderstood what it did, sorry.
Apr 26 06:09:21 <Rakshasa> Mmorgen alle.
Apr 26 06:09:27 <kito_> morgen
Apr 26 06:09:40 <kito_> hah, ich koente Deutsch sprechen!
Apr 26 06:10:46 * kito_ spricht nicht deutsch
Apr 26 06:11:02 <Rakshasa> Good for you. I'm already starting to forget everything but 'morgen alle'
Apr 26 06:11:27 <kito_> heh
Apr 26 06:11:42 <kito_> I have to go to class everyday so I haven't forgotten yet
Apr 26 06:12:01 <kito_> I'll be in Germany this summer so hopefully I'll be able to say a thing or two
Apr 26 06:12:34 <Rakshasa> That could prove useful..
Apr 26 06:12:49 <kito_> seems that way to me
Apr 26 06:13:41 <Rakshasa> I do wish I knew german better, but just haven't got the motivation to study it atm.
Apr 26 06:14:14 <pjz>  
Apr 26 06:16:36 <kito_> eh, I wish I had time for all sorts of stuff
Apr 26 06:16:41 <kito_> like programming phones
Apr 26 06:20:06 <Rakshasa> Same here.
Apr 26 06:52:42 <kito_> hah. I was thinking about learning to program for windows mobile, but apparently there aren't many linux tools for that
Apr 26 06:52:44 <kito_> go figure
Apr 26 07:19:17 <Hopscotch> good morning
Apr 26 07:20:22 <kito_> 'morning
Apr 26 07:20:30 <kito_> no, crap, its 2am
Apr 26 07:20:35 <kito_> I need some sleep
Apr 26 07:32:55 <Herod2k> hi guys
Apr 26 08:16:47 <zecke> mickey|zzZZzz: do you happen to know if projects.om.org is finally working?
Apr 26 08:17:11 <Maulkin> Morning
Apr 26 08:55:35 <TRIsoft> morning
Apr 26 08:58:00 <ynezz> kito_: you can compile apps for windows mobile under wine and connect it using synce...
Apr 26 09:14:58 <kiney> counter
Apr 26 09:14:59 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks, 4 days 14:44:59 (18.615 +-3.5 days) (1020;180)
Apr 26 09:59:47 <yacc> kito_: same thing with Symbian. It's a PITA to do anything on Linux. And somehow I'm strongly disinclined to install Windows on my box just to do programming, ...
Apr 26 10:01:04 <mjr> There is no uncertainty. 10th of May is my birthday. My Neo _will_ ship on 10th.
Apr 26 10:02:57 <Stephmw> ... 2009
Apr 26 10:03:05 <hrw>  where in /sys/ I can check does Neo gets 100 or 500mA?
Apr 26 10:15:31 <eyowin> /proc/bus/usb/
Apr 26 10:16:02 <eyowin> /proc/bus/usb/devices
Apr 26 10:17:24 <hrw> right..
Apr 26 10:17:30 <hrw> forgot to check there ;D
Apr 26 10:17:35 <hrw> C:  #Ifs= 2 Cfg#= 2 Atr=c0 MxPwr=500mA
Apr 26 10:18:04 <eyowin> hrw: just luck, because got a mice problem yesterday - didn't know it before that ;-)
Apr 26 10:45:55 <buz>  http://go.theregister.com/feed/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/26/gps_sim/ now that is impressive
Apr 26 10:53:30 <Rakshasa> 2'
Apr 26 10:53:31 <Rakshasa> '
Apr 26 10:53:40 <Rakshasa> "those using open operating systems such as Windows Mobile"? O.o
Apr 26 10:54:13 <Rakshasa> interesting use of the word open.
Apr 26 10:54:38 <Stephmw> operators use it differently... hence the 'Open Mobile Alliance'
Apr 26 10:54:50 <Stephmw> operators use it to refer to an OS they can change
Apr 26 10:54:53 <Stephmw> (themselves)
Apr 26 10:55:07 <Stephmw> some manufacturers don't allow that
Apr 26 10:55:46 <koen> MS will happily give you the source for wince if you buy a gazillion licenses
Apr 26 10:56:07 <kabturek> and sell your soul
Apr 26 10:56:13 <Rakshasa> Well, that's open allright XD
Apr 26 10:56:55 <XorA> open != free/libre
Apr 26 10:56:56 <zecke|away> Stephmw: what is your issue with OMA?
Apr 26 10:58:07 <koen> GMAE ftw!
Apr 26 11:01:50 <Stephmw> zecke|away: only that it's yet another way to interpret the term 'open'
Apr 26 11:01:54 <Stephmw> zecke|away: nothing more
Apr 26 11:28:06 <wehttamb_> the last idea on this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements
Apr 26 11:28:32 <wehttamb_> could it be possible to use the AUX button instead of the midle of the wheel
Apr 26 11:28:43 <wehttamb_> then it would be possible
Apr 26 11:31:09 <wehttamb_> is the AUX button used for anything at the moment? 
Apr 26 12:15:08 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03thomas * r1843 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (29 files): * Reduce filename lengths
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Apr 26 12:28:13 <jeddy3> ...ok
Apr 26 12:30:10 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03dodji * r1844 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Apr 26 12:30:10 <CIA-16> openmoko: Added direction, gsmlocation, startlocation properties to journal entries.
Apr 26 12:30:10 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * oe/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: this needs and update
Apr 26 12:30:10 <CIA-16> openmoko:  of the version of edsdbus to svn 20070426 because we pushed
Apr 26 12:30:10 <CIA-16> openmoko:  a couple of fixes and enhancement in there. These fixes/enhancements
Apr 26 12:30:14 <CIA-16> openmoko:  are mandatory for this patch to work.
Apr 26 12:30:15 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c,h:
Apr 26 13:24:30 <asdfadf> counter
Apr 26 13:24:30 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks, 4 days 10:35:28 (18.441 +-3.5 days) (1021;180)
Apr 26 14:14:02 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03rob * r1845 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/main.c: 
Apr 26 14:14:02 <CIA-16> openmoko: Switch to using the MokoScrolledPane rather than MokoDetailsWindow for the
Apr 26 14:14:02 <CIA-16> openmoko: details pane.
Apr 26 14:17:16 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03rob * r1846 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/main.c: Add #include for moko-scrolled-pane.h.
Apr 26 14:43:38 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03rob * r1847 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (detail-area.c detail-area.h main.c): Port over to MokoScrolledPane from MokoDetailsWindow.
Apr 26 15:23:37 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03rob * r1848 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/detail-area.c: Swich over to MokoScrolledPane.
Apr 26 15:37:57 <simon__> counter?
Apr 26 15:37:57 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; 2 weeks, 4 days 08:22:01 (18.349 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13);  4 months, 2 weeks, 5 days (142.849 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1022;180)
Apr 26 15:58:52 <TRIsoft> gtg, cu
Apr 26 16:08:06 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03rob * r1849 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-pim/openmoko-tasks_svn.bb: Add Tasks.
Apr 26 16:44:25 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03dodji * r1850 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Apr 26 16:44:25 <CIA-16> openmoko: Added "dialed-number" and "was-missed" properties
Apr 26 16:44:25 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c,h:
Apr 26 16:44:25 <CIA-16> openmoko:  added MokoJournalVoiceInfo::dialed_number
Apr 26 16:44:25 <CIA-16> openmoko:  and MokoJournalVoiceInfo::was_missed properties. These a serialized
Apr 26 16:44:29 <CIA-16> openmoko:  and deserialized.
Apr 26 16:44:31 <CIA-16> openmoko:  Started to add MokoJournalEntry::wifi_ap_mac and
Apr 26 17:17:04 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03rob * r1851 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/detail-area.c: Fix problem with API migration.
Apr 26 17:38:14 <kiney> counter?
Apr 26 17:38:14 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; 2 weeks, 4 days 06:21:44 (18.265 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13);  4 months, 2 weeks, 5 days (142.765 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1023;180)
Apr 26 17:43:50 <PBeck> hi
Apr 26 17:43:53 <SrRaven> the chances of the openmoko getting a cam are slim to none eh?
Apr 26 17:44:01 <SrRaven> servus pbeck
Apr 26 17:44:04 <PBeck> hi
Apr 26 17:44:25 <PBeck> hey SrRaven 
Apr 26 17:44:43 * Sup3rkiddo strongly feels that a digi-cam is much better that a cam-on-a-mob
Apr 26 17:45:04 * guaqua agrees with Sup3rkiddo 
Apr 26 17:45:18 * SrRaven doesn't want a digi-cam replacement but one for the occasional picture
Apr 26 17:45:47 <Rio79> good... i dont care about the camera, unless it can compete with phones in asia
Apr 26 17:46:01 <Rio79> 6mp
Apr 26 17:46:12 <Sup3rkiddo> well subjective opinions.. would rather go in for usb 2.0 or wifi in place of a camera..
Apr 26 17:46:16 <SrRaven> well I would even be happy with vga
Apr 26 17:46:24 <thresh> hey, so we're not supposed to make homeporn with neo?
Apr 26 17:46:28 <thresh> :(
Apr 26 17:46:42 <guaqua> i'd prefer wlan over a camera
Apr 26 17:46:45 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch
Apr 26 17:46:45 <nnpiggy> thresh: audio & text only...
Apr 26 17:46:53 <thresh> nnpiggy: back in 1980!
Apr 26 17:46:59 <Rio79> same here
Apr 26 17:46:59 <Sup3rkiddo> thresh, no....sadly...but nothing prevents you from watching it ;P
Apr 26 17:47:00 <thresh> well, i'll prefer wifi too.
Apr 26 17:47:06 <SrRaven> I also would prefer wifi over a camera,but that it doesnt have a camera is a turn off kinda
Apr 26 17:47:07 <thresh> Sup3rkiddo: :))
Apr 26 17:47:26 <guaqua> or wifi and a camera though...
Apr 26 17:47:26 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03thomas * r1852 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/configure.ac: * Fix build
Apr 26 17:47:35 <guaqua> and video phone calls
Apr 26 17:47:46 <SrRaven> I got a mobile without a cam right now,it annoys the living big jesus outta me
Apr 26 17:47:52 <thresh> ...video over gprs?
Apr 26 17:47:57 <thresh> you're kidding, right?
Apr 26 17:47:57 <Sup3rkiddo> lol...i need to save my pocket money asap..
Apr 26 17:48:04 <Sup3rkiddo> thresh, thats murder
Apr 26 17:48:08 <guaqua> thresh: see my previous line
Apr 26 17:48:17 <guaqua> thresh: which says something about wifi and camera
Apr 26 17:48:20 <thresh> oh well.
Apr 26 17:48:36 <SrRaven> if you mean me thresh,no im not
Apr 26 17:48:44 <guaqua> i'd love to have an actual functional video call phone
Apr 26 17:48:49 <thresh> no i meant guaqua :)
Apr 26 17:48:51 <guaqua> dunno what to do with it :>
Apr 26 17:48:54 * Sup3rkiddo has an ngage qd..:(
Apr 26 17:49:36 * guaqua has nokia 6600
Apr 26 17:49:37 <SrRaven> ngage lol
Apr 26 17:49:44 <SrRaven> I got a samsung sghx200
Apr 26 17:49:49 <pjz> woot.com has $20 for a 4GB SD card right now
Apr 26 17:49:55 <Sup3rkiddo> SrRaven, no not..the elefant ear thingy
Apr 26 17:50:04 <pjz> too bad we don't know if the openmoko will support them yet
Apr 26 17:50:22 <SrRaven> I loved the ngage,could make so much fun of the way of calling
Apr 26 17:50:39 <SrRaven> I think the sd card size it can take depends on firmware right?!
Apr 26 17:50:40 <Sup3rkiddo> SrRaven, i have the qd thing...makes a nice projectile
Apr 26 17:50:56 <SrRaven> yeah,but damn was that thing a failure
Apr 26 17:51:07 <SrRaven> someone porting scummvm btw ?
Apr 26 17:52:01 <Sup3rkiddo> SrRaven, i needed the cheapest symbian60 to hack some python code
Apr 26 17:52:13 <SrRaven> haha
Apr 26 17:52:36 <nnpiggy> Hmm... scummvm sounds like a fun project...
Apr 26 17:52:49 <SrRaven> Id do it,but I got no clue how to code
Apr 26 17:52:56 <SrRaven> the source code is out...so....yeah
Apr 26 17:52:56 <nnpiggy> I need something to work on until there's GPS to play with.
Apr 26 17:53:09 <Sup3rkiddo> SrRaven, whether i did code python...thats another issue...
Apr 26 17:53:25 <SrRaven> hehe,Im happy that my IT teacher quit today
Apr 26 17:53:30 <SrRaven> that means I dont have IT anymore
Apr 26 17:53:58 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03rob * r1853 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/src/main.c: Fix build problem.
Apr 26 17:56:12 <Sup3rkiddo> SrRaven, cheers man..
Apr 26 17:56:42 <SrRaven> yeah was weird,the girls still have IT but as our teacher quit,we either can go mondays as the girls or just quit
Apr 26 17:56:43 <pjz> Sup3rkiddo: cheapest sumbian60 is like a nokia 6620
Apr 26 17:57:18 <Sup3rkiddo> pjz, yeah but i am talking a year ago..and dunno if we get that here in India
Apr 26 17:57:38 <pjz> Sup3rkiddo: 6620 is like 3+ years old
Apr 26 17:57:57 <Sup3rkiddo> pjz, hmm
Apr 26 17:58:04 <SrRaven> So to the programmers here,how long does it even take to port a programm?
Apr 26 17:58:37 <pjz> SrRaven: depends on the language and how differnt the platforms are
Apr 26 17:58:52 <SrRaven> Im talking about scummvm as example
Apr 26 17:58:54 <pjz> SrRaven: basically, it depends on hwo much rewriting has to be done
Apr 26 17:58:56 <SrRaven> to openmoko
Apr 26 17:58:56 <Sup3rkiddo> pjz, pretty sure that model didnt come here
Apr 26 17:59:21 <pjz> SrRaven: oh, that should be easy
Apr 26 17:59:23 <Sup3rkiddo> SrRaven, depends on the size...i am having problems porting my hello world programs..:P
Apr 26 17:59:34 <SrRaven> :p
Apr 26 17:59:41 <SrRaven> I need to learn to code
Apr 26 18:01:20 <nnpiggy> SrRaven, most applications are written without considering cross-compilation problems. The average package we did at TimeSys took a typical experienced programmer 3-4 days to resolve most cross-compilation issues.
Apr 26 18:01:55 <nnpiggy> I imagine the first program I port to OpenMoko will take me a couple weeks because it's a new environment for me.
Apr 26 18:01:58 <SrRaven> so that means about a month for me :P
Apr 26 18:02:03 * balrog-kun thinks that's exagerated
Apr 26 18:02:15 <nnpiggy> Which, the 3-4 days?
Apr 26 18:02:21 <balrog-kun> nnpiggy: yeha
Apr 26 18:02:26 <SrRaven> yeah
Apr 26 18:02:31 <balrog-kun> unless you're talking about porting toa different X toolkit etc
Apr 26 18:02:57 <SrRaven> Well I got no clue of coding at all,so for me that as learning thing is probably totally useless
Apr 26 18:03:22 <nnpiggy> No, I'm just talking about resolving most cross-compilation issues. That generally means, port it to PPC, arm, and maybe one other platform. By that time, you've got most issues resolved and it will just compile on additional platforms.
Apr 26 18:03:34 <pjz> oh, why crosscompile? why not set up a dev enviro on an arm (or arm vm) and natively build it?
Apr 26 18:03:54 <balrog-kun> usually adding cross-compiling support Linux as host and Linux as target is a matter of making the Makefile know about CROSS_COMPILE
Apr 26 18:04:20 <balrog-kun> talking about normal programs that don't use assembler
Apr 26 18:04:45 <nnpiggy> TimeSys makes their money by helping people cross-compile things. It allows you to use a large pool of powerful build machines. If you are building hundreds of packages for dozens of platforms, raw speed is very important.
Apr 26 18:04:48 <balrog-kun> in my experience things like endianness and alignment matter very rarely for gcc
Apr 26 18:05:25 <nnpiggy> Certainly, some applications are well-written and just work, so you can do one or two of those per day.
Apr 26 18:05:27 <SrRaven> but just the thought of monkey island on openmoko makes me all tingly
Apr 26 18:06:08 <Sup3rkiddo> nethack should be awesome
Apr 26 18:06:18 <nnpiggy> The challenge is getting the auto* tools to play nice. They have the irritating habit of probing the machine they are on...
Apr 26 18:06:41 <Sup3rkiddo> irritating would be an understatement
Apr 26 18:06:47 <balrog-kun> Sup3rkiddo: nethack quite probably is already in Familiar feeds and probably in debian-arm
Apr 26 18:07:03 <balrog-kun> Sup3rkiddo: i've seen 0verkill running on the palms
Apr 26 18:07:07 <Sup3rkiddo> balrog-kun, coool..
Apr 26 18:07:55 <Sup3rkiddo> maybe rig up a bt keyboard and shower ascii glory upon friends...aah...the thought creates goosebumps
Apr 26 18:08:08 <nnpiggy> When we switched to tsrpm from hand-patching, we were able to get 4-5 packages per day ported. It's an awsome (if somewhat painful) tool.
Apr 26 18:09:17 <pjz> nnpiggy: enh, autotools are okay; try cross compiling perl for some real fun.
Apr 26 18:09:44 <nnpiggy> Yeah, Tony Egan did perl for us. It took about 3 weeks.
Apr 26 18:10:15 <nnpiggy> perl SORTOF has cross-compilation support. It wants to log into the target board via ssh...
Apr 26 18:10:25 <pjz> yeah
Apr 26 18:10:44 <nnpiggy> Tony ripped that out and made a platform description which he could force-feed to the build.
Apr 26 18:10:57 <pjz> nice
Apr 26 18:11:16 <nnpiggy> It means about a day's work for every upgrade to re-integrate, but not too bad.
Apr 26 18:11:51 <nnpiggy> Rob Landley has a cool system he's working on. It's a hybrid of qemu and a crosscompiler (invoked via distcc).
Apr 26 18:12:39 <pjz> isn't there a buildsystem that just does native compiles under a VM ?
Apr 26 18:12:54 <balrog-kun> oh yes, i remember reading something about it on his site
Apr 26 18:13:05 <balrog-kun> it's supposed to be a scratchbox replacement
Apr 26 18:13:12 <nnpiggy> Yeah, that's Rob too. The distcc mod was my suggestino.
Apr 26 18:14:01 <balrog-kun> i've heard of maybe two more to-become-scratchbox-replacements
Apr 26 18:15:07 <nnpiggy> Do you mean busybox replacements, balrog-kun?
Apr 26 18:15:34 <balrog-kun> nope, busybox is not a build system
Apr 26 18:15:36 <balrog-kun> and does not use qemu
Apr 26 18:16:13 <nnpiggy> Rob's first cut at a self-bootstrapping build system is busybox-based.
Apr 26 18:16:41 <nnpiggy> He's started a rewrite of busybox to better support his buildsystem.
Apr 26 18:18:02 * nnpiggy looks up scratchbox dev site...
Apr 26 18:18:20 <nnpiggy> Ah! I can't believe I'd forgotten that...
Apr 26 18:18:41 <Luna> Hello
Apr 26 18:18:55 <nnpiggy> Welcome, Luna
Apr 26 18:19:12 <Luna> :) Hi 
Apr 26 18:24:05 <Luna> I'm looking to install another OS onto my Nokia 7610.  Anyone have any ideas?
Apr 26 18:24:05 <aloril> Luna: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Apr 26 18:26:33 <Luna> Can anyone hear me?
Apr 26 18:26:46 <pjz> yes
Apr 26 18:26:51 <Luna> ah right lol 
Apr 26 18:27:10 <Luna> there was an autotrigger, not sure If it let me speak 
Apr 26 18:27:11 <Luna> there was an autotrigger, not sure If it let me speak 
Apr 26 18:27:15 <Luna> I'm looking to install another OS onto my Nokia 7610.  Anyone have any ideas?
Apr 26 18:27:29 <balrog-kun> we've seen this already
Apr 26 18:27:37 <Luna> oh right hah 
Apr 26 18:27:45 <Luna> I take it you dont't know
Apr 26 18:28:00 <balrog-kun> on IRC if your message doesn't reach a channel you get a notice from the server about it
Apr 26 18:28:38 <Luna> on IRC peopel normaly talk 
Apr 26 18:28:44 <Luna> people*
Apr 26 18:28:58 <pjz> Luna: this channel is about one particular phone, not about putting different OSes on phones in general
Apr 26 18:29:18 <Luna> ok thanks thats all I needed to know, thanks again.  Goodbye
Apr 26 18:30:36 <balrog-kun> i'd say this channel is about one particular OS
Apr 26 18:35:41 <pjz> fair enough
Apr 26 18:37:54 * ks-[AWAY_WORK] is back.
Apr 26 18:38:23 <koen> ks-[AWAY_WORK]: wb
Apr 26 18:56:12 <yacc> balrog-kun: I'd say it's about one specific software stack.
Apr 26 18:57:32 <balrog-kun> yacc: isn't a software stack (with Linux in it) called a distribution?
Apr 26 18:57:50 <balrog-kun> oh, i said OS
Apr 26 19:01:02 <high-rez> counter
Apr 26 19:01:03 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks, 4 days 04:58:55 (18.208 +-3.5 days) (1024;180)
Apr 26 19:01:10 <high-rez> hey
Apr 26 19:57:37 <cga> hi all
Apr 26 20:06:31 <SrRaven> btw is the neo1973 screen designed so you can read even with sun shining onto it?
Apr 26 20:07:00 <MacNorth> i've read opinions otherwise, but i supposed it's fairly subjective
Apr 26 20:07:19 <ewon> counter
Apr 26 20:07:19 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks, 4 days 03:52:39 (18.162 +-3.5 days) (1025;180)
Apr 26 20:07:41 <SrRaven> meh,2 guys from my class got smartphones and that annoys me when I use it sometimes (and that they just dont even use the capacity of those things)
Apr 26 20:08:21 <imitation> so, does anyone know about the other 5 models announced by FIC?
Apr 26 20:08:21 <aloril> imitation: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Apr 26 20:14:16 <DukeOfURL> counter
Apr 26 20:14:16 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks, 4 days 03:45:42 (18.157 +-3.5 days) (1026;180)
Apr 26 20:17:37 <DukeOfURL> i've been away for a week.  What's happening with the P1 schedule?
Apr 26 20:17:55 <MacNorth> sean made an annoucement
Apr 26 20:18:09 <DukeOfURL> Can you point me to it?
Apr 26 20:18:14 <MacNorth> two runs are scheduled: 10 may, 20 may
Apr 26 20:18:26 <DukeOfURL> production runs?
Apr 26 20:54:22 <woglinde> counter
Apr 26 20:54:22 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks, 4 days 03:05:36 (18.129 +-3.5 days) (1027;180)
Apr 26 20:59:19 <CIA-16> openmoko: 03dodji * r1854 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
Apr 26 20:59:19 <CIA-16> openmoko: added MokoJournalVoiceInfo::callee-number,caller_number properties.
Apr 26 20:59:19 <CIA-16> openmoko:  * src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c,h:
Apr 26 20:59:19 <CIA-16> openmoko:  added a MokoJournalVoiceInfo::callee_number.
Apr 26 20:59:19 <CIA-16> openmoko:  Rename MokoJournalVoiceInfo::dialed_number into
Apr 26 20:59:21 <CIA-16> openmoko:  MokoJournalVoiceInfo::caller_number. Both properties are serialized.
Apr 26 21:00:23 <guaqua> callee number?
Apr 26 21:02:12 <Vegar> number that was called?
Apr 26 21:02:19 <Vegar> in case you have several numbers?
Apr 26 21:03:46 <guaqua> is callee number "which number i called from" ?
Apr 26 21:04:14 <balrog-kun> that's caller
Apr 26 21:04:14 <robster> uhm
Apr 26 21:04:18 <DukeOfURL> caller is the person who initiated the call.  callee is the person receiving the call.
Apr 26 21:04:36 <robster> this doesn't quite make sense does it.
Apr 26 21:05:09 <guaqua> called number would be the one
Apr 26 21:05:11 <guaqua> not callee
Apr 26 21:05:13 <DukeOfURL> called number is the number called.  calling number is the number that initiated the call.
Apr 26 21:05:55 <guaqua> caller, called, calling
Apr 26 21:05:58 <guaqua> those i do understand
Apr 26 21:06:02 <inz> http://m-w.com/dictionary/callee
Apr 26 21:06:52 <woglinde> hihi
Apr 26 21:41:25 <wehttamb_> what is the AUX button used for?
Apr 26 21:41:38 <woglinde> call 911
Apr 26 21:41:50 <woglinde> or what it is in your country
Apr 26 21:41:53 <wehttamb_> is that all it does?
Apr 26 21:42:08 <wehttamb_> k
Apr 26 21:42:18 <woglinde> isnt thta enough for a button?
Apr 26 21:42:22 <SrRaven> I doubt you wont be able to reprogramm it
Apr 26 21:42:28 <wehttamb_> k
Apr 26 21:45:18 <wehttamb_> could you use it by holding it and then moving the stylus down or up the page to scroll
Apr 26 21:45:42 <wehttamb_> u could use it instead of needing a multi-touch screen
Apr 26 21:46:53 <SpeedEvil> Bugger. Just spent the money I had allocated for the neo. http://www.mauve.plus.com/two.jpg is why. (am ok)
Apr 26 21:48:15 <woglinde> too much speed?
Apr 26 21:48:46 <SpeedEvil> Misread road sign.
Apr 26 21:48:54 <woglinde> what?
Apr 26 21:49:38 <SpeedEvil> Was in a hurry, and misread road sign saying 'turnoff to hospital in 1/2 mile' (taking someone to appointment) as turnoff now.
Apr 26 21:50:24 <SpeedEvil> and badly misjudged the corner. The road looked a bit deceptively like it might be a slip-road off, the barrier was not visible.
Apr 26 21:50:31 <woglinde> I praise our german inz thoroughness
Apr 26 21:50:43 <woglinde> uh
Apr 26 21:51:05 <woglinde> so you thought the hospital is in the woods
Apr 26 21:51:17 <SpeedEvil> It actually is.
Apr 26 21:51:28 <SpeedEvil> It's .3 miles in the exact direction the car is pointing.
Apr 26 21:51:44 <woglinde> :(
Apr 26 21:52:31 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, I suspect I'll have money by the time the neo is available.
Apr 26 21:53:05 <woglinde> best is you didnt get hurt
Apr 26 21:58:29 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - slightly aching back - but fine basically.
Apr 26 22:17:08 <thomasg_gpm> 2 days without pc and I missed the release mail :)
Apr 26 22:17:42 <thomasg_gpm> hope the first 150 devices will be delivered fast (to hear some opinions)
Apr 26 22:18:09 <maydaytx_> SpeedEvil: was it at least fun?
Apr 26 22:18:10 <woglinde> hihi
Apr 26 22:22:02 <SpeedEvil> Well... No.
Apr 26 22:22:25 * SpeedEvil wonders what the screen fault is.
Apr 26 22:22:40 <SpeedEvil> I'd be quite happy with a minor fault, and a screen arriving later in the post.
Apr 26 22:23:20 <maydaytx_> i accidentally went through a heavy duty chain-link fence in my car...i gotta say it was pretty fun
Apr 26 22:23:29 <maydaytx_> like the movies
Apr 26 22:25:52 <SpeedEvil> Chain link - Ok. 3" steel bar of unknown solidity heading at your head, not so much fun.
Apr 26 22:26:39 <maydaytx_> heavy duty chain-link
Apr 26 22:27:36 <maydaytx_> steel bars with chain link between
Apr 26 22:30:54 <CoreDump|home> damaging the car sucks in either way
Apr 26 22:32:39 <CoreDump|home> does anybody know a good ebook reader which can turn pages via touchscreen taps?
Apr 26 22:32:50 <CoreDump|home> s/good/useable
Apr 26 22:38:19 <roh> CoreDump|home does "a good ebook reader" exist at all?
Apr 26 22:39:02 <CoreDump|home> roh: actually "opie-reader" (for Opie / qte only) kicks ass
Apr 26 22:39:33 <roh> CoreDump|home which formats does it render?
Apr 26 22:39:45 <CoreDump|home> lots and lots of them
Apr 26 22:40:12 <CoreDump|home> html, txt, *.gz, plucker to name a few
Apr 26 22:40:51 <zecke> and it is portable
Apr 26 22:41:29 * CoreDump|home wished it would run under x11
Apr 26 22:41:49 <CoreDump|home> _best_ Opie app _ever_ (IMO)
Apr 26 22:43:05 <zecke> CoreDump|home: luckily I'm too tired to say that it does...
Apr 26 22:44:00 <CoreDump|home> natively? w/ pulling in 5Mb of qt-something-or-another libs? :\
Apr 26 22:44:43 <zecke> CoreDump|home: it is probably only 3MB ;)
Apr 26 22:45:20 <roh> CoreDump|home ah.. just found tims pda page... sigh.. totally useless for me this tool
Apr 26 22:45:34 <CoreDump|home> roh: sorry to hear that
Apr 26 22:45:58 <roh> i just need text and pdf. eventuall chm, but i havent seen all the other formats anywhere in reallife as ebook
Apr 27 00:16:51 <pjz> I read all my ebooks with a web browser
Apr 27 00:19:14 <CoreDump|home> pjz: that'd work, right. But "page-turning" would have to be done via stylus. I'm looking for a stylus-free solution
Apr 27 00:20:18 <pjz> most webbrowsers on mobiles are good at letting you scroll with just a finger
Apr 27 00:20:30 <pjz> er, just a finger-slide
Apr 27 00:21:05 <pjz> I've read tons of books on my A780 using the built-in browser.  Also on my nokia 6620 (ancient series-60 phone) the same way
Apr 27 00:21:15 * CoreDump|home hmms
Apr 27 00:21:46 <pjz> biggest problems I've run into are: 1) lack of enough RAM to hold/render the entire page 2) managing 100+ ebooks :)
Apr 27 00:22:02 <pjz> I licked the managment problem with an auto-indexer though
Apr 27 00:22:08 <CoreDump|home> pjz: well, the neo has enough RAM for that heh
Apr 27 00:22:13 <pjz> yeah
Apr 27 00:22:21 <pjz> one reason I'm looking forward to it :)
Apr 27 00:22:29 <CoreDump|home> pjz: thanks for the hint. I shall investigate ;)
Apr 27 00:22:39 <pjz> also: a browser that doesn't suck
Apr 27 00:22:45 <pjz> or at least one I can work on
Apr 27 00:23:16 <CoreDump|home> pjz: ebook reading on neos ~300DPI screen is a dream. Almost like reading off a page of paper but w/ backlight =)
Apr 27 00:23:20 <pjz> I hide my ebooks behind an HTTP AUTH wall and the stupid little phone browsers don't cache the username/password if the gprs connection goes down
Apr 27 00:23:39 <pjz> CoreDump|home: yeah, which is nice when you're reading at night :) 
Apr 27 00:23:46 <CoreDump|home> pjz: which I do a lot =D
Apr 27 00:24:09 <pjz> doesn't disturb the wife as much as a lamp would.  Also, it will turn itself off if you fall asleep.
Apr 27 00:24:11 <CoreDump|home> maybe we can get someone to add touchscreen page-turning to fbreader =)
Apr 27 00:24:39 <pjz> all we have to do is map some gesture to pagedown/pageup in whatever browser
Apr 27 00:24:45 <CoreDump|home> hehe the P0 device will rather completly empty its battery and _then_ turn off =D
Apr 27 00:25:01 <pjz> CoreDump|home: aww, it doesn't auto-shutoff yet?
Apr 27 00:25:23 <CoreDump|home> nope, suspend is b0rked (or at least not active by default)
Apr 27 00:26:31 <pjz> I dnno about suspend, I was just hoping for turning the backlight off.  Or at least down?
Apr 27 00:27:16 <pjz> Hrm, I'm going to have to resurrect my scrollreader
Apr 27 00:27:21 <pjz> I have code someplace :)
Apr 27 00:28:14 <pjz> the basic idea is from...Heinlein? or Asimov: instead of words on a page where your eyes have to go both left and right and up and down, just stream the text sideways infinitely so  your eyes just have to move left and right
Apr 27 00:28:31 <pjz> also makes it easy to use a large font since it's just "one line" of text
Apr 27 00:28:34 <CoreDump|home> pjz: you should try the "gutenflash" thingy
Apr 27 00:28:51 <CoreDump|home> flashes singles words very fast
Apr 27 00:29:50 <pjz> ah, yeah, though he's wrong about your eyes not moving; they still move left to right as you read
Apr 27 00:30:53 <CoreDump|home> indeed
Apr 27 00:31:07 <pjz> also, I hope it has variable delay
Apr 27 00:31:10 <CoreDump|home> I prefer the "traditional" way in any case =)
Apr 27 00:31:11 <pjz> I read pretty quickly
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