**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 03 02:59:57 2007 Jul 03 03:14:08 morning all Jul 03 03:14:54 well, I guess... (it's 23:12 here) :-D Jul 03 03:35:24 when i input command it requires password ,after I login. Jul 03 03:52:53 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] Jul 03 05:52:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] Jul 03 06:51:37 !counter Jul 03 06:52:44 counter? Jul 03 06:52:44 "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 6 days 05:07:10 (6.213±1.0 days) (1665;243) Jul 03 07:16:51 morning Jul 03 07:31:23 counter Jul 03 07:31:24 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 6 days 04:28:31 (6.186±1.0 days) (1666;243) Jul 03 07:52:33 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Application_Developer]] Jul 03 08:04:03 good morning Jul 03 08:07:41 the 30-second method described on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger Jul 03 08:07:46 isn't implemented I guess Jul 03 08:27:19 mornin' Jul 03 08:27:36 mornin' Jul 03 08:28:00 evening Jul 03 08:55:35 wasn't there going to be another announcement? I wonder if I missed it. Jul 03 08:56:21 "Sometime later today or early tomorrow we're going to make another announcement asking for some advice." Jul 03 08:56:55 from Sean's email from 28th of June Jul 03 08:59:15 gamin: I haven't picked it up on any of the MLs Jul 03 09:25:41 good morning! Jul 03 09:29:38 morning Jul 03 09:52:14 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973_case_schematics]] Jul 03 10:40:35 gamin: I may have effectively sidestepped that by sending the list of stuff I want in a webstore Jul 03 10:40:46 And then Sean responded. Jul 03 10:54:38 Jul 03 10:55:36 Jul 03 10:56:16 Jul 03 10:57:26 Jul 03 10:58:12 ? Jul 03 10:58:55 they were just listing the good points about the iPhone ... Jul 03 10:58:58 They are using UTF-" " Jul 03 10:59:25 SpeedEvil: you win that one. Jul 03 11:01:39 SpeedEvil, is that the one where you put all possible unicode strings into canonical order, and the amount of spaces determines which string we want to transmit? Jul 03 11:05:19 Dunno, I can't read the spec. Jul 03 11:06:39 I sense a bootstrapping issue here... Jul 03 11:10:51 a guitar pcik for $5 ?!!! Jul 03 11:15:23 It was a suggestion, based on prices that'll probably give FIC some profit Jul 03 11:15:52 If this is the specified case opening tool, that they have found to work well, I don't have a problem with it. Jul 03 11:15:54 $0.50 for the pick and $4.50 for the overhead involved Jul 03 11:16:17 I wouldn't off-hand know where to get a guitar pick. Jul 03 11:16:22 Well, I'd imagine ebay Jul 03 11:16:26 judging from LaF0rge's blog they had to import the picks as well :) Jul 03 11:16:35 SpeedEvil: music store Jul 03 11:16:55 I don't know where my nearest music store is. Jul 03 11:17:09 For $5, I'm not likely to bother finding out Jul 03 11:17:28 On another topic. Jul 03 11:17:38 What's the current state of calling/receiving calls? Jul 03 11:17:44 Does it 'just work' yet? Jul 03 11:17:46 every misunderstood 14 year old needs them, so every town will have a selling point ;) Jul 03 11:30:24 Naah. Jul 03 11:30:37 Now they have WoW, and can wave a big sword about in compensation. Jul 03 11:32:03 mind you, if you cand find something like a guitar pick laying around where you're working.... you probably should;t be opening it :) Jul 03 11:32:30 I almost certainly can. Jul 03 11:34:33 "thumbnail" works as well Jul 03 11:34:47 so stop biting your nails ;) Jul 03 11:35:06 it's the only food I can afford :P Jul 03 11:35:21 toys > food Jul 03 11:53:14 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Introduction]] Jul 03 12:02:02 counter Jul 03 12:02:02 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 23:57:53 (5.999±1.0 days) (1667;243) Jul 03 12:02:13 * aloril hopes it holds this time Jul 03 12:07:31 * Ruprecht runs around the room Jul 03 12:07:46 OpenMoko, OpenMoko, OpenMoko, OpenMoko Jul 03 12:07:57 ok........ Jul 03 12:08:02 * Ruprecht is a little excited about the new release date Jul 03 12:08:13 * ScaredyCat nail 1 of Ruprecht's feet to the floor Jul 03 12:08:53 s/nail/nails/ Jul 03 12:08:54 * Basheri laughs sadistically Jul 03 12:10:23 meh. I was running in circles anyway :D Jul 03 12:10:34 counter Jul 03 12:10:34 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 23:49:21 (5.993±1.0 days) (1668;243) Jul 03 12:21:19 hi Jul 03 12:29:38 ho Jul 03 12:32:58 hi PBeck, hi zecke Jul 03 12:34:13 hi Jul 03 12:34:35 florian: did you have time to take a look at the greenphone? Jul 03 12:35:27 are you allowed to say that in here ;) Jul 03 12:35:31 zecke: to some extent... i forgot to order the correct rs232 line driver. Jul 03 12:43:01 hi zecke hi florian Jul 03 12:57:02 moin Jul 03 12:57:45 o/ Jul 03 13:25:28 linux_galore: why GTA02? why not 100 GTA02's for 100 best hacks (or give 10 GTA02's for 10 best hacks, and 90 GTA02's in reduced price for next 90 best hacks (say $100-$200) and another 900 GTA02'a reduced price for next 900 best hacks (say $350)) Jul 03 13:26:47 wtf.. Jul 03 13:27:00 have the disk space requirements increased ???? Jul 03 13:27:42 if you rerun, it consumes more space usually (if you don't have rm_work) Jul 03 13:27:54 I have rm_work... Jul 03 13:29:45 ScaredyCat, remove all but the recent images in deploy Jul 03 13:30:24 I would remove all images Jul 03 13:30:30 they are cheap to rebuild Jul 03 13:33:57 * * OM Bug 626 has been created by cm(AT)acc.umu.se Jul 03 13:33:58 * * openmoko-tasks-0.1+svnnow-r0_265 does not build Jul 03 13:33:59 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=626 Jul 03 13:47:02 that only gives me 29mb Jul 03 13:47:23 I was under the impression tht 7.ggb was the build requirement... Jul 03 13:47:29 7.5 Jul 03 13:52:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Category:Neo1973_Hardware/es]] Jul 03 14:05:58 ScaredyCat: What about the build/tmp dir? Jul 03 14:06:19 Do a du -hs * to see where everything is :) Jul 03 14:25:12 build/tmp has 1.21 jiggawatts of stuff in ti Jul 03 14:25:20 heh Jul 03 14:33:52 7.9G build/tmp/ Jul 03 14:34:05 7.9G? Jul 03 14:34:20 I had even 20-40GB work dirs ;D Jul 03 14:34:38 yes, which seems to be above the 7.5 gb Jul 03 14:34:41 bleh.! Jul 03 14:34:56 I don;t have 20-40gb to spare on my laptop Jul 03 14:35:33 http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Samsung_Readies_8GB_microSD_Card/551-81172-581.html <--So this will work with neo1973? Jul 03 14:36:34 There have been no positive reports on any cards >1G Jul 03 14:36:50 No negative ones either though. Jul 03 14:37:33 ok :O Jul 03 14:37:42 lol Jul 03 14:37:54 any reports... of any type ? Jul 03 14:38:24 2G have only relatively recently dropped in price. Jul 03 14:38:34 And 4G have only just shown up in stock Jul 03 14:38:40 Generally. Jul 03 14:38:52 Just wondering cause wiki.openmoko.org/iphone refers to that site in the storage section Jul 03 14:38:53 I suspect many people are/were holding off. Jul 03 14:39:01 counter Jul 03 14:39:01 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 21:20:54 (5.890±1.0 days) (1669;243) Jul 03 14:39:11 Because prices always drop. Jul 03 14:39:43 + /wiki/ Jul 03 14:42:01 claims 2GB has been tested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards Jul 03 14:42:32 Hmm. Jul 03 14:42:36 Myust have been updated. Jul 03 14:42:43 Or I suffered a parity error. Jul 03 14:42:57 2GB was tested long time ago iirc Jul 03 14:43:01 i wonder how much that 8gb costs :P Jul 03 14:43:19 hrw: how much did it actually take .... Jul 03 14:43:32 8G probably isn't on the market yet. Jul 03 14:43:40 yeah, recall seeing it being at that page long time ago Jul 03 14:43:59 SpeedEvil: true Jul 03 14:44:33 January updated it was. Jul 03 14:45:29 no idea ScaredyCat Jul 03 14:45:37 aawwwwww... Jul 03 14:45:39 they didn't reveal the price yet =( Jul 03 14:46:05 Probably around 4* 4G Jul 03 14:46:08 at launch Jul 03 14:49:55 8o Jul 03 14:51:40 * Basheri asks google for the price of 4gb microsd Jul 03 15:01:20 hi Jul 03 15:01:51 is it realistic to say that the gta_02 comes in october? Jul 03 15:02:10 how far is the development? Jul 03 15:02:35 They're saying it, so I think they think it's realistic. I personally shan't be surprised if it'll get delayed... Jul 03 15:04:21 mjr: i hope they have a puffer scheduled ;) Jul 03 15:05:40 without a puffer is a date nearly delayed ^^ Jul 03 15:05:56 I simply don't believe october. Jul 03 15:06:10 Unless some actual funding is poured in. Jul 03 15:06:21 I'd love to be wrong Jul 03 15:06:42 mjr: i think october is only the start of the release from GTA_02, right? Jul 03 15:06:46 No. Jul 03 15:06:53 It's advertised as mass-market ready Jul 03 15:06:57 I can believe the hardware. Jul 03 15:07:11 SpeedEvil: ok ... all what i say ... lol ;) Jul 03 15:07:12 The software... needs usability work. Jul 03 15:07:49 SpeedEvil: i believe in the hardware too Jul 03 15:07:53 All we need is a browser to open with the appropriate page on the wiki, when someone clicks a missing app :) Jul 03 15:08:00 hahaha Jul 03 15:08:10 assuming the gprs is up... Jul 03 15:08:20 SpeedEvil: lol Jul 03 15:08:20 so what we really need is apache+php+wiki on the device Jul 03 15:09:09 I hope that it'll be released soon, but at the same time i hope that they wont rush the release.. Jul 03 15:09:18 SpeedEvil: i hope the termin in october is good determinded ... not how the others ... Jul 03 15:10:27 Basheri: yes i think so too. we need a complete and usable os Jul 03 15:10:38 the hardware is the same Jul 03 15:11:56 openmoko-tasks.c: In function ‘main’: Jul 03 15:11:56 | openmoko-tasks.c:385: error: ‘KOTO_GROUP_STORE_TYPE_FILTER’ undeclared (first use in this function) Jul 03 15:11:56 | openmoko-tasks.c:385: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once Jul 03 15:11:56 | openmoko-tasks.c:385: error: for each function it appears in.) Jul 03 15:11:56 | openmoko-tasks.c:385: error: too many arguments to function ‘koto_group_store_new’ Jul 03 15:11:56 | openmoko-tasks.c:386: error: ‘KOTO_GROUP_STORE_TYPE_SELECTOR’ undeclared (first use in this function) Jul 03 15:11:59 | openmoko-tasks.c:386: error: too many arguments to function ‘koto_group_store_new’ Jul 03 15:12:01 | make[3]: *** [tasks-openmoko-tasks.o] Error 1 Jul 03 15:12:03 ScaredyCat: known bug already Jul 03 15:12:15 gaah Jul 03 15:12:22 killed my build Jul 03 15:25:06 ScaredyCat: fix is on a way Jul 03 15:27:39 :) Jul 03 15:29:14 is anyone doing CI on the openmoko tree? Jul 03 15:29:34 ScaredyCat: start build Jul 03 15:30:07 pjz: CI? Jul 03 15:30:21 Continuous Integration aka continuous builds Jul 03 15:30:38 I've used cruisecontrol for such things Jul 03 15:30:39 ahh, I'd not come across the acronym used Jul 03 15:30:40 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenMoko Jul 03 15:30:46 pjz: there is autobuilder which reports failures to bugtracker Jul 03 15:30:50 ah, good Jul 03 15:30:57 that's what I was looking for :) Jul 03 15:31:12 * hrw did first changeset in OpenMoko apps Jul 03 15:31:22 pjz: the next step would be to actually boot the image Jul 03 15:31:23 my own first I mean ofcourse Jul 03 15:31:25 thanks hrw Jul 03 15:31:32 pjz: then use dogtail to do app testing Jul 03 15:31:40 that was my other gsoc proposal Jul 03 15:32:03 zecke: yeah Jul 03 15:32:41 zecke: those autobuilds starts by cron (from time to time), on request or on commit hook? Jul 03 15:32:58 hrw: nightly on cron Jul 03 15:33:17 zecke: let me guess - after GMT 00:00? Jul 03 15:33:28 hrw: the incremental is polling o-hand and openmoko svn Jul 03 15:34:18 so it will start soon due to tasks fix? Jul 03 15:34:39 it's only 16:34 atm Jul 03 15:36:33 right.. I am too used to o-hand autobuilder Jul 03 15:39:04 * ScaredyCat dances Jul 03 15:39:09 NOTE: build 200707031627: completed Jul 03 15:39:09 Build statistics: Jul 03 15:39:09 Attempted builds: 11 Jul 03 15:39:09 [ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps Jul 03 15:39:09 touch stamps/openmoko-devel-image Jul 03 15:39:30 hrw: good question, let me check the config Jul 03 15:40:29 hrw: oh I stopped polling o-hand Jul 03 15:46:03 restarted, polling o-hand tasks and dates again Jul 03 15:48:29 and build started Jul 03 15:49:16 * galexande checks openmoko.com in case ther's a surprise early release Jul 03 15:51:30 hi all, i want to see the list of supported phones, it's possible ? please Jul 03 15:51:30 Quarker: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Jul 03 15:51:52 Neo1973 Jul 03 15:51:56 is the list Jul 03 15:52:08 At some point in the future, there may be more. Jul 03 15:52:16 :) Jul 03 15:52:17 Which is the goal, but... Jul 03 15:52:21 it already runs on htcmagician and htcuniversal Jul 03 15:52:30 so the list is a bit bigger Jul 03 15:52:37 wasn't there a treo version ? Jul 03 15:52:37 Supported on those? Jul 03 15:52:42 htc...htc...why does that sound familiar? Jul 03 15:52:45 Yeah - well. Jul 03 15:53:08 The software is so prototypical that it could be argued that no phone is supported :) Jul 03 15:53:14 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[IPhone]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Jul 03 15:53:23 SpeedEvil ok, tnx a lot, sorry for the disturbance Jul 03 15:53:29 No problem. Jul 03 15:53:36 It'll happen eventually. Jul 03 15:53:38 With luck. Jul 03 15:53:50 i hope =) Jul 03 16:03:07 9.0g Jul 03 16:07:13 koen, URL for htc info? Jul 03 16:09:19 paulproteus: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/gsm/files Jul 03 16:13:27 can someone with neo run dates^Wcalendar on it? Jul 03 16:14:48 hm, does somebody know where I can get the gdklauncher sources? Jul 03 16:44:35 * ScaredyCat is a complete knob head Jul 03 17:07:06 www.trackthisout.com/tm.html Jul 03 17:08:33 whoa cool Jul 03 17:08:43 That's slick. Jul 03 17:09:39 19:07 < andrerav> it used to generate errors like that at random Jul 03 17:09:45 argh Jul 03 17:09:49 wrong mouse button Jul 03 17:10:18 We seem to have lost them... Jul 03 17:10:37 it's a demo Jul 03 17:11:08 Hnn, Jul 03 17:11:11 Hmm. Jul 03 17:11:13 Got it. Jul 03 17:11:25 I found the Demo button to see the repeat. Jul 03 17:12:37 that's sweet Jul 03 17:14:03 I did this one for the TomTom Go ... Jul 03 17:14:05 http://www.automated.it/gm/wot.php Jul 03 17:16:39 http://www.automated.it/gm/wot2.php is a longer one.. gets a bit stodgy Jul 03 17:17:18 the first one was live data, 2nd one is recorded data Jul 03 17:36:14 (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live Jul 03 17:38:44 ScaredyCat I think the satelite maps look beter but your interface feels faster Jul 03 17:41:39 hybrid ftw Jul 03 17:52:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Advanced_End-user/es]] [[Wish_List]] [[Press_Coverage/es]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Basic_End-user/es]] [[Category:Neo1973_Hardware/es]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:Mesh_Networking]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] Jul 03 19:26:44 Hi all Jul 03 19:28:09 Hi Jul 03 19:29:54 I'm trying openmoko with Xoo, I'm asking me (It's english that ?) how can I kill it properly ? Jul 03 19:29:54 SbcSrv: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Jul 03 19:53:14 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Category:Neo1973_Hardware/ru]] Jul 03 20:27:15 I'm trying openmoko with Xephyr, I'm asking me (It's english that ?) how can I kill it properly ? Jul 03 20:28:57 SbcSrv: I'm asking myself... Jul 03 20:29:01 :P Jul 03 20:29:14 thanks edistar ;-) Jul 03 20:29:50 SbcSrv: what're you trying to kill? Jul 03 20:29:57 SbcSrv, german? :) Jul 03 20:30:33 I want exit OpenMoko "properly" (like turn off the phone) Jul 03 20:31:01 thomasg_gpm : french (don't splaps me ;-) Jul 03 20:31:09 slap Jul 03 20:31:52 ah, k. just looked like a typical german mistake :) Jul 03 20:32:29 I become a printer tomorrow :-) Jul 03 20:33:14 alphaone: are you gonna have a parallel or usb cord? Jul 03 20:33:50 summatusmentis: network of course Jul 03 20:34:02 oh, of course Jul 03 20:34:21 * alphaone is also wearing the right t-shirt for that one. Jul 03 20:35:02 alphaone: But where does the brain loads the paper from? Jul 03 20:36:02 stefan_schmidt: That's what will be installed tomorrow :-) Jul 03 20:36:40 alphaone: outch Jul 03 20:38:51 now what was the trick agai to enter my SIMs PIN? Jul 03 20:39:45 CoreDump|home: With a recent image the dialer should ask you about it. Jul 03 20:40:09 it doesn't :\ Image is from buildhost from june, 1st Jul 03 20:40:43 CoreDump|home: June or July? Jul 03 20:41:13 july ;) Jul 03 20:42:37 stefan_schmidt: Yeah, but if that works is another question Jul 03 20:43:15 * CoreDump|home reseats SIM and retries Jul 03 20:43:33 why not disable it in your normal mobile :) Jul 03 20:43:44 alphaone: Why? It worked once. Who have broken it? Jul 03 20:44:39 stefan_schmidt: It worked once, yeah. But it never worked all the time AFAICT. Jul 03 20:44:54 alphaone: *sigh* Jul 03 20:45:11 CoreDump|home: So disable it or use libgsmd-tool Jul 03 20:45:11 stefan_schmidt: The problem is (afaik) gsmd sometimes loosing the connection. Jul 03 20:45:32 CoreDump|home: Method of last resort: Jul 03 20:45:48 /etc/init.d/gsmd stop Jul 03 20:45:58 /etc/init.d/gsmd start Jul 03 20:46:15 libgsmd-tool -m shell Jul 03 20:46:39 O (power on) Jul 03 20:46:44 R (register) Jul 03 20:46:46 enter pin Jul 03 20:46:49 quit Jul 03 20:47:25 then you need to restart openmoko-dialer otherwise it wont talk to the new gsmd Jul 03 20:48:25 that worked for me the last times Jul 03 20:49:44 hrmmmm Jul 03 20:49:47 "** (openmoko-dialer:1342): DEBUG: PIN window not visible, calling registe" Jul 03 20:50:11 CoreDump|home: Seems you have an old versionß Jul 03 20:50:34 openmoko-dialer is on my next "review/kick strange bugs" list. ;o) Jul 03 20:50:52 Elrond: Great :-) Jul 03 20:50:59 root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/version Jul 03 20:50:59 200707011200 Jul 03 20:51:15 my dialer can't talk to gsmd Jul 03 20:51:16 Elrond: Make that review/kick/fix, though Jul 03 20:51:27 CoreDump|home: That's bad.. Jul 03 20:51:45 CoreDump|home: What does /tmp/gsmd.log say? Jul 03 20:52:24 Is gsmd still running? Jul 03 20:53:27 alphaone - I'll see. Jul 03 20:53:48 BTW: How bad is the sidetone issue on the Bv03? (yes, I still haven't tried a SIM in "my" neo) Jul 03 20:54:02 alphaone: http://rafb.net/p/thwvOU67.html Jul 03 20:54:28 Elrond: not as bad as they say Jul 03 20:54:38 alphaone: oops, it terminated for some readon Jul 03 20:55:13 koen - Ahh. Jul 03 20:55:18 Elrond: Iirc you can turn off the sidetone with some obscure control in alsamixer Jul 03 20:55:32 And then it's quite good Jul 03 20:55:34 wasn't it a gsm firmware misfeature? Jul 03 20:56:06 Elrond: Yeah, when there is no response from the modem it terminates. Jul 03 20:56:33 alphaone - (see koen) I thought, it was some gsm firmware issue? Jul 03 20:56:44 We still have to figure out why it stops communicating with the modem after a while, though... Jul 03 20:57:01 (I already asked, if I could get a gsm firmware update for the Bv03, but doesn't look like it.) Jul 03 20:57:10 That was the sidetone (fw misfeature) Jul 03 20:57:13 in the "OMG DISASTER!!!" posts from harald and sean they said it was unfixable without a firmware upgrade Jul 03 20:57:46 AFAIK you can either turn the sidetone off completely or not, yeah. Jul 03 20:58:03 But I'm reasonably sure I turned it off at some point Jul 03 20:58:17 that is pretty good news Jul 03 20:58:21 I saw some sidetone controls in the mixer. But that confuses me. Jul 03 20:58:40 Elrond: I think that's what I played with. Jul 03 20:58:56 But how can that "fix" a gsm firmware issue?! Jul 03 20:59:03 The thing is that we do want to have a sidetone - but not this loud Jul 03 20:59:21 I hate sidetone Jul 03 20:59:25 What is the sidetone good for anyway? Jul 03 20:59:26 And that is not fixable without the new firmware Jul 03 20:59:32 but I'm in the 0.0001% group :) Jul 03 20:59:45 Elrond: It's if you like to listen to yourself talk :-) Jul 03 21:00:00 Huh? Jul 03 21:00:05 Sidetone means that you have some feedback as to how loud you are compared to the other person Jul 03 21:00:22 Elrond: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidetone Jul 03 21:02:08 Ahhh. Jul 03 21:02:21 If I can disable it, that's fine with me. :-) Jul 03 21:02:24 ok, my gsmd keeps dying after a few seconds Jul 03 21:03:55 CoreDump|home: Hmm, does the log always look like the one you posted? Jul 03 21:05:00 this is after a reboot http://rafb.net/p/4caSCE39.html Jul 03 21:06:13 CoreDump|home: can you try stopping/starting gsmd once? Jul 03 21:06:22 (assuming, I can disable the sidetone via the mixer... which still confuses me) Was there anything else in the firmware? Jul 03 21:06:46 Also does starting go fast or does it take a couple of seconds? Jul 03 21:07:06 Elrond: What do you mean Jul 03 21:07:52 alphaone: starting is fast Jul 03 21:07:54 http://rafb.net/p/ZPvlkT89.html Jul 03 21:09:19 alphaone - What else was wrong in the gsm firmware? Only the strings? Jul 03 21:09:28 CoreDump|home: Let me see how my bv4 does Jul 03 21:09:43 alphaone: thanks =) Jul 03 21:10:12 well, I guess I could try the bv3 if that matters Jul 03 21:10:45 anyone familiar with CISSP and whether it's worth getting the training? Jul 03 21:11:09 CoreDump|home: shouldn't matter Jul 03 21:11:35 Elrond: I think there was also something power related Jul 03 21:11:43 indeed Jul 03 21:12:01 bv3 sucks any battery dry in a very short time Jul 03 21:14:06 CoreDump|home: you have http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/uImage-2.6.21.5-moko10-r1_0_0_2350_0-fic-gta01.bin and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070701120015.rootfs.jffs2 ? Jul 03 21:14:46 alphaone: oops, I believe I forgot to upgrade the kernel Jul 03 21:15:18 CoreDump|home: Well, it shouldn't really matter too much Jul 03 21:15:22 CoreDump|home - My bv03 is quite okay, after I always shutdown using "halt" :-) (I even added a "Halt System properly" menu entry, so I can shut it down using the gui. ;-) Jul 03 21:15:59 hardware problems with the new phones? Jul 03 21:16:13 alphaone - Yep, the modem couldn't wake the CPU or so. But as sleeping isn't any good on the bv03 anyway, that one isn't too important. Jul 03 21:16:27 guaqua - Don't spread rumours. Jul 03 21:16:43 ok, I -did- upgrade the kernel Jul 03 21:17:07 Elrond: err? Jul 03 21:17:49 hardware problems with the new phones? Jul 03 21:17:53 CoreDump|home: I'm flashing both onto my bv4 now Jul 03 21:18:23 Well, there was a questionmark indicating a question... Jul 03 21:19:24 guaqua - Probably only software problems. Jul 03 21:20:13 guaqua - I meant: Please don't start a rumour by asking this question. This makes other people ask the same question until finally we have a rumour. Jul 03 21:21:20 okay Jul 03 21:21:35 " No response from GSM Modem" =( Jul 03 21:22:22 CoreDump|home - Does it work "by hand"? pavel had some docs on the wiki / blog on that. Using "cu". Jul 03 21:23:00 * CoreDump|home looks Jul 03 21:33:35 connectiong to ttySAC0 freezes usb networkig Jul 03 21:37:55 whoops Jul 03 21:38:44 CoreDump|home - Can you retry on bv03 with the exact same kernel/rootfs? Jul 03 21:39:02 yeah Jul 03 21:39:06 oh my god, are there hardware problems with the gta01? Jul 03 21:39:15 :-P Jul 03 21:39:26 * galexande presses refresh on openmoko.org to check again for early release Jul 03 21:39:38 er .com Jul 03 21:41:14 galexande: It has no pony. Jul 03 21:41:14 * Elrond uses anti-rumour-spray ;o) Jul 03 21:41:44 * Elrond orders new spray at openmoko.com, hopefully for free. ;o) Jul 03 21:42:23 What, openmoko.com gives away phones for free now? :-) Jul 03 21:42:38 Okay, let's stop that :-) Jul 03 21:42:43 alphaone - No, the anti-rumour-spray ;-) Jul 03 21:43:05 :-) Jul 03 21:44:10 * CoreDump|home upgrades u-boot, kernel and rootfs on bv3 Jul 03 21:44:23 what do I hear? rumours? Jul 03 21:44:44 *lol* Jul 03 21:44:53 !slap keesj Jul 03 21:44:54 rumours - pray! Jul 03 21:45:02 CoreDump|home: I can confirm that behavior on my bv4 Jul 03 21:45:07 oh my god! openmoko.com has an order form now! Jul 03 21:45:10 alphaone: wooot Jul 03 21:45:21 oooh Jul 03 21:45:29 (hah hah, made you look) Jul 03 21:45:29 alphaone - So it's software? Jul 03 21:45:30 that is goog new for me =) Jul 03 21:45:35 bah, you suck Jul 03 21:45:39 CoreDump|home: Pretty sure Jul 03 21:45:54 galexande: I was about to look when I realized who said it :) Jul 03 21:45:59 er, elrond: Pretty sure Jul 03 21:46:07 *sigh* my credibility sure didn't last long Jul 03 21:46:09 At least software triggered Jul 03 21:46:27 galexande: less than ten minutes :) Jul 03 21:46:31 (of history) Jul 03 21:46:37 So debug board and get the debugger out. ;o) Jul 03 21:47:04 ... and I'll keep my old kernel. ;-) Jul 03 21:47:11 so, i'm curious, does anyone use any of the various pre-release phones as their regular day-to-day phone yet? Jul 03 21:47:39 galexande - I wasn't even brave enough to put my sim in there. ;-) Jul 03 21:47:40 I wish Jul 03 21:47:43 galexande: I don't think anyone is brave enough yet :-) Jul 03 21:48:14 If the rtc would work, I could imagine using it as a clock replacement. ;o) Jul 03 21:48:34 heh i guess when i port my number to a gsm provider, i'll sign a contract and get the free phone from at&t for when my neo is, uh, in the shop Jul 03 21:48:41 Elrond: ;-) Jul 03 21:49:15 :o ... what did I do wrong now... :/ Jul 03 21:49:17 NOTE: :variable TARGET_FPU references itself! while evaluating: Jul 03 21:49:17 ${TARGET_FPU} Jul 03 21:51:23 same behaviour w/ bv3 Jul 03 21:53:38 CoreDump|home - Try downgrading the kernel... (having the wrong rootfs means wrong modules, but that hopefully only means "no sound" ;-) ) Jul 03 21:53:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] [[Wish_List]] Jul 03 21:54:55 Elrond: I have the right kernel for the rootfs Jul 03 21:55:06 at least the modules are loaded Jul 03 21:55:26 actually I need to restore bv4 to a state in which I can use it for ebook reading Jul 03 21:55:36 that means installing a bloody desktop Jul 03 22:00:01 nm found it Jul 03 22:00:14 oh well, no fbreader in the OM feeds *sigh* Jul 03 22:00:56 fbi also would be nice. ;o) Jul 03 22:01:10 Or something else to put a PNG on the fb. Jul 03 22:01:21 (the inverse of fbgrab) Jul 03 22:02:12 cat Jul 03 22:02:41 nah, only works when width matches Jul 03 22:03:05 CoreDump|home: connecting to serial does not lock up my networking. Jul 03 22:03:17 But it doesn't seem to respond eithere Jul 03 22:04:14 * CoreDump|home begins an OM build from scratch Jul 03 22:04:59 Kero - One can straight cat into /dev/fb0, or what? Jul 03 22:05:07 <-- isn't used to framebuffer at all. Jul 03 22:05:08 yes Jul 03 22:05:18 you can cat to/from it Jul 03 22:05:25 What format / how do I convert my png to the proper format? Jul 03 22:05:29 raw Jul 03 22:08:26 yeah, but e.g. 256x256 image is not gonna fit nicely on a 640x480 screen like that. cat is too primitive for that. Jul 03 22:09:12 this place is gonna be chaos once it starts shipping :) Jul 03 22:10:40 yes, Kero ... it'll need to at least be the right size.... Jul 03 22:10:54 Kero - Yes. And the right depth. Jul 03 22:11:02 We need to create #openmoko-illiuminati. Jul 03 22:11:33 #openmoko-dev may actually make sense though Jul 03 22:11:40 SpeedEvil - *giggle* You mean #openmoko-dev(ev)... oh wait... that already exists and is closed. ;o) Jul 03 22:11:53 Oh Jul 03 22:12:44 It's not on here anyway Jul 03 22:13:41 Ahh, -dev does not exist, but: *** Cannot join to channel #openmoko-devel (Bad channel key) Jul 03 22:13:46 Elrond, I just need to find my ttgo dev stuff, had to move things about to compile this stuff... Jul 03 22:14:14 .. I did a lot of fb conversions... Jul 03 22:14:17 for the go Jul 03 22:14:45 ScaredyCat - ;-) Jul 03 22:14:54 Well, I think, fbi would do the trick anyway? Jul 03 22:15:18 if i get the neo basic, will i still be able to access the uboot console? Jul 03 22:15:41 galexande - Yes, via usb-serial. Jul 03 22:15:57 galexande - I use that a lot, if I have to do something with u-boot. Jul 03 22:16:06 get fb2png to start with ;) Jul 03 22:16:07 (which was often, until the kernel was fixed) Jul 03 22:16:40 ScaredyCat - Sounds much like fbgrab? Jul 03 22:17:02 galexande - Just be careful. If you break u-boot, you're screwed. Jul 03 22:17:12 dunno.. cat the fb to a file... fb2png the file to png Jul 03 22:17:17 ok, i must have misread the u-boot wiki. u-boot is excitingly powerful, i can't believe it reads ext2 :) Jul 03 22:17:34 iirc I could never locate the src for fbgrab Jul 03 22:17:37 ScaredyCat - Ahh. :) Jul 03 22:17:53 i hope to not have to touch uboot, but it is good to know i can boot a kernel off of damn near anything. Jul 03 22:18:24 (like sd) Jul 03 22:19:21 Right. Jul 03 22:19:28 the go sdk is designed to send you screaming into the night, I had to resort to fb buggery to get some things to work Jul 03 22:19:28 I used it a lot to boot kernel from ram. Jul 03 22:19:48 "go sdk"? Jul 03 22:20:16 tomtom go Jul 03 22:20:36 Ahh. Jul 03 22:20:37 that's were I was faffing about with the fb ... Jul 03 22:20:59 making animated journey captures, because my life has no meaning ;) Jul 03 22:22:01 .. is sqlite on the devicde yet? Jul 03 22:22:49 it wouldn't be hard to install, sqlite has almost no dependencies Jul 03 22:23:05 sqlite is in oe Jul 03 22:23:11 would be good for address book etc... Jul 03 22:24:00 I moved all my poi on the go to sqlite.. Jul 03 22:24:06 ScaredyCat - adress book uses evolution thingies, I think. Jul 03 22:24:11 * ScaredyCat hugs sqlite Jul 03 22:24:14 if it isn't, you could compile it -static :) Jul 03 22:24:36 Elrond, :O Jul 03 22:39:59 you know sometimes I get kinda scared when i'm surfing reddit and I unknowningly click an onion link Jul 03 22:41:44 this is the wrong window too =[ Jul 03 22:44:30 :) Jul 03 22:45:52 * SpeedEvil ponders getting the onion to do an article on the Neo1973 Jul 03 22:46:10 I wonder if they take user submissions. Jul 03 22:46:59 that seems like an idea on par with submitting family pictures to rotten Jul 03 22:47:47 lol Jul 03 22:47:55 Well - yes. Jul 03 22:48:05 Any publicity is good publicity you know :) Jul 03 22:50:02 not really Jul 03 22:50:54 * SpeedEvil ponders an "iPhone sales plummet as..." Jul 03 22:52:05 i wasn't aware that there was that much demand for $600 suppositories Jul 03 22:52:14 er, phones Jul 03 22:52:38 The Neo would make a better one. Jul 03 22:52:42 Smoother corners. Jul 03 22:52:56 And the lanyard. Jul 03 22:53:02 o.O Jul 03 22:53:28 * SpeedEvil should probably run his typing through some sort of pervertedness filter before allowing them out. Jul 03 22:53:47 heh Jul 03 22:54:51 SpeedEvil - *g* Jul 03 22:55:05 well, I think that the neo could do with a little more design work ... Jul 03 22:55:28 Well, the iphone has more hype on it... my dad already asked me about it... until I explained him, that it is simlocked, so worthless. Jul 03 22:56:12 yeah, bt when it gets to europe they wont be able to use the same strategy Jul 03 22:56:25 the market is just different... Jul 03 22:56:43 europeans wont switch provider for the iphone... Jul 03 22:57:00 so they'll have to unlock it... Jul 03 22:57:11 According to my dad, apple was looking for a provider in .de... and the normal dealers were pissed, because they couldn't sell it with "their" provider contracts. Jul 03 22:57:18 which means US folks can just buy them Jul 03 22:57:54 But well, I don't know anything. I don't care for the iphone. Jul 03 22:58:38 Elrond, that's the problem... it wont work... they'll probably go to vodafone or tmobile...but they just wont sell, and neos will :) Jul 03 22:59:26 Elrond: t-mobile will announce the iphone deal in a few hours (in germany) Jul 03 23:00:01 miip - Ahh. I expected t-mobile. Jul 03 23:00:05 miip ... I hope that's about 6-7 hours.... Jul 03 23:00:07 Apple have a long time to sort out marketing Jul 03 23:00:12 before Oct. Jul 03 23:00:17 :) Jul 03 23:00:22 Is the Iphone GSM then? Jul 03 23:00:40 SpeedEvil - germany has only gsm, nothing else. Jul 03 23:00:50 I know. Jul 03 23:00:59 Actually - is that true? Jul 03 23:01:02 No 3G/... Jul 03 23:01:07 yes, it is gsm Jul 03 23:01:11 Oh, 3G, of course. Jul 03 23:01:11 it does have edge though Jul 03 23:01:22 slooooow Jul 03 23:01:22 which is borderline 3g depending on details Jul 03 23:03:18 Hmmm, will there be referer-stuff for the Neo? ;o) Jul 03 23:03:34 So that I'll get a few bugs for getting my friends to buy a neo? ;o) Jul 03 23:03:48 bugs? Jul 03 23:03:56 you *want* bugs? Jul 03 23:04:18 hehe. ;-) Jul 03 23:04:29 Some people say bugs for "money" ;o) Jul 03 23:04:39 bucks ? Jul 03 23:05:07 Hmm, yeah. Jul 03 23:05:10 bugs money... is that bugs bunny's brother? Jul 03 23:05:32 My typing goes mostly after the pronouncing. ;-) Jul 03 23:07:39 * ScaredyCat wonders.... ' I can has Neo' Jul 03 23:08:57 CoreDump|home: Okay, I just confirmed that it works with uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2072_0-fic-gta01.bin Jul 03 23:09:24 alphaone: excellent, thank you! Jul 03 23:09:31 Meaning gsmd gets at least some response back Jul 03 23:09:41 however, I managed to enter a wrong PIN on my other mobile 3 times Jul 03 23:09:49 == PIN is locked Jul 03 23:09:54 * CoreDump|home cries Jul 03 23:09:57 CoreDump|home: I'll try to figure out the differences between the two Jul 03 23:10:06 :-/ Jul 03 23:10:21 CoreDump|home: Do you have your PUK handy? Jul 03 23:10:34 of course not, can't find the bloody letter =) Jul 03 23:11:02 I'll go to the vodafone shop tomorrow. I'm due for another "free" phone anyway heh Jul 03 23:14:39 * CoreDump|home aims for an SE w880i Jul 03 23:16:37 anyone got one and knows if it has the BlueTooth remote control function ? Jul 03 23:22:18 CoreDump|home - Show them the neo "I have lended that from a friend. Will I get that?" ;o) Jul 03 23:22:24 =D Jul 03 23:22:48 q Jul 03 23:23:24 I was planning to do that for weeks now. Still didn't get to do it. Jul 03 23:23:41 Hmm, I'll do it in another city, so those people wont recognize me. ;o) Jul 03 23:34:36 * linux_galore waves Jul 03 23:35:08 n8 Jul 03 23:48:57 * * OM Bug 627 has been created by alphaone(AT)openmoko.org Jul 03 23:48:58 * * gsmd is not able to communicate with the gsm modem Jul 03 23:48:59 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=627 Jul 03 23:49:29 uImage-2.6.21.3-moko10-r3_0_0_2288_0-fic-gta01.bin is last known working version Jul 03 23:54:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] Jul 04 00:32:45 i want to play with openmoko keyboard. Where should i start looking i.e which files Jul 04 00:39:02 http://people.openmoko.org/werner/trail.txt Jul 04 00:51:14 (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger GPS trail - crazy idea Jul 04 01:26:34 (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger Re: GPS trail - crazy idea Jul 04 01:43:01 counter Jul 04 01:43:01 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 10:16:54 (5.428±1.0 days) (1670;244) Jul 04 01:54:14 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Wish_List]] Jul 04 01:59:53 wonder if the guys will make a bigger PDA/Phone unit next year ie 3-5" LCD Jul 04 02:00:31 ie bit like the HTC Advance Jul 04 02:07:32 The Googles! They do nothing! Jul 04 02:07:34 oops Jul 04 02:22:43 CM what guide should i use to build an openmoko environment Jul 04 02:38:59 be wary wary careful.. Im hunting googles **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 02:59:56 2007