**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 09 02:59:57 2007 Aug 09 03:39:01 god damnit, after taking my SIM card out of my regular phone, putting it in my Neo, and taking it back, my old phone doesn't recognize it >_> Aug 09 03:43:09 rtyler, you need to reinsert carefully. it should be OK Aug 09 03:43:30 I did it many times with no problems, using numerous sim cards Aug 09 03:44:44 there we go Aug 09 03:44:45 phew Aug 09 03:44:50 I was freaking out there :LP Aug 09 03:45:05 I bet. I've done a few of those in the last week or so Aug 09 03:45:16 I connected through gprs just now, but couldn't do anything.... Aug 09 03:45:18 I think I might have to go get a prepaid anyways, I can't receive text messages or phone calls Aug 09 03:45:29 You have a 3G? Aug 09 03:45:39 I can dial and connect, but my sound driver must be broked in that I can't hear or say shit Aug 09 03:45:43 GPRS AFAIK Aug 09 03:45:51 erm, or GSM Aug 09 03:45:55 The sound driver needs to be mucked with Aug 09 03:46:02 sagacis: you have to coax it eh? Aug 09 03:46:08 I worked on it today and got it working Aug 09 03:46:29 Not sure how I can get it to you.... (thinking) Aug 09 03:46:31 I'm trying to figure out if Ubuntu has any kernel images with usbnet already enabled, I'm deathly afraid of fux0ring my kernel :P Aug 09 03:46:37 sagacis: I can haz patch? :D Aug 09 03:47:15 sagacis: FWIW, I've posted some images for my iPhone touting friends to see ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/agentdero/sets/72157600934925721/detail/ Aug 09 03:47:35 (now that I finally have rootfs >_>) Aug 09 03:48:14 I love the "some assembly required" card Aug 09 03:48:23 Good photos Aug 09 03:48:51 I use that for a drinks coaster Aug 09 03:52:53 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/ is now fully uploaded and the nslu2-linux autobuilder will keep it current. Aug 09 03:53:39 rwhitby, Just in time! I was unable to build with MasterMakefile Aug 09 03:54:02 sagacis: that's interesting, cause these are built with the nslu2 master makefile Aug 09 03:54:13 I believe it Aug 09 03:55:09 rwhitby, I got "ERROR: EOL while scanning single-quoted string (, line 1) while parsing /home/moko/OM-2007.2/openmoko/openembedded/packages/opie-help-en/opie-help-en_cvs.bb" Aug 09 03:55:30 yeah, I get them too. luckily the images were built before those came into play Aug 09 03:55:38 The line looked fine to me. Perhaps the envvar wasn't set right Aug 09 03:55:43 Oh Aug 09 03:55:53 Are they the same images as yesterday?/ Aug 09 03:55:57 (those are simply that someone has checked in some bad code) Aug 09 03:56:05 :( Aug 09 03:56:25 I have a pretty good handset.state. Where should I upload it for public consumption? Aug 09 03:59:08 attach it to the wiki? Aug 09 04:02:45 rwhitby: oh, I'll get that wiki change done. :-) I suppose I need to create an account? Aug 09 04:04:52 Mukunda: I guess so. Aug 09 04:06:17 rtyler, can you download this? http://www.drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/sagacis/publicfolder/handset.sagacis.state Aug 09 04:06:32 yeppers Aug 09 04:07:35 rtyler, So, then "alsactl -f handset.sagacis.state restore" should get you running Aug 09 04:08:26 man, now I have to get this onto the phone, which means I need to get usbnet running >_< Aug 09 04:08:49 Yup. I used .debs to get that working as indicated in the wiki Aug 09 04:08:55 No troubles Aug 09 04:08:59 link? Aug 09 04:09:06 Sure. Looking... Aug 09 04:09:40 Nope, no debs... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Aug 09 04:10:03 Just the ifconfig usb0 ... Aug 09 04:10:12 Everything else worked on Feisty Fawn Aug 09 04:10:31 usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found Aug 09 04:10:32 :( Aug 09 04:10:41 do you know what kernel image you're using? Aug 09 04:10:57 I did have to "modprobe usbnet" I think Aug 09 04:11:15 w/"sudo" Aug 09 04:11:16 nothing Aug 09 04:12:07 hmm.... Trying to remember. This was a while ago Aug 09 04:12:25 * sagacis thinks a week is "a while". Aug 09 04:13:26 * mrface makes a mental note to stop clobbering qemu Aug 09 04:13:44 rtyler, I'm running 'Linux ubuntu 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 20:19:32 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux' Aug 09 04:14:25 rtyler, I did to the "automatic method" from that wiki page also, but I don't think it worked for me Aug 09 04:14:50 maybe it did. I don't remember Aug 09 04:15:27 rtyler, does "lsmod | grep usbnet" return anything? Aug 09 04:17:10 yep :( Aug 09 04:17:14 usbnet, mii, and usbcore Aug 09 04:17:18 Good, it's there. Aug 09 04:17:55 Define an interface in /etc/interfaces as in the wiki Aug 09 04:18:04 sorry, /etc/network/interfaces Aug 09 04:18:50 What's your eth0 set to? If it's 192.168.0.x, that could be a conflict and you'll need to define a specific route Aug 09 04:18:59 foo! finally finished the built! Aug 09 04:19:17 jipi, congrats. It takes FOREVER the first time. Aug 09 04:20:06 sagacis: no conflict there Aug 09 04:21:30 sagacis: ya. the last time I did it was zaurus, then it was nslu2. now it's openmoko. quite a nightmare the first time round for all of them. Aug 09 04:22:47 rtyler, after adding usb0 to interfaces, does ifconfig work for you? Aug 09 04:23:33 sagacis: posting pictures to my blog, hold on :) Aug 09 04:25:22 I need to make a commercial and post it to YouTube, ripping on the Motorola commercials "Hello Moko" Aug 09 04:28:35 morning folks Aug 09 04:29:59 hey mickey Aug 09 04:30:16 sagacis: so now that the file is edited, how do I sighup things such that ifconfig knows about the new device? Aug 09 04:30:28 mickey: is there a way to detect headphone insert? Aug 09 04:30:42 ljp: look at the device *ducks* Aug 09 04:31:24 rtyler, I just ran ifconfig usb0 ... and it worked after that Aug 09 04:31:26 and make the user change states via term? Aug 09 04:31:36 ljp: preferably ;) Aug 09 04:31:43 make'em edit a config file in the terminal :P Aug 09 04:31:45 ljp, manual phone! it's the most convenient! Aug 09 04:32:04 It's great to try to type on the tiny keyboard, reading the screen, while driving down the road at 70 mph! Aug 09 04:32:09 would it be feasible to hack the dialer to have "loopback" phone numbers Aug 09 04:32:18 i.e. to where you could call services on your phone? Aug 09 04:32:34 sagacis: the devices is there Aug 09 04:32:37 device* Aug 09 04:32:40 waiting for the phone to boot Aug 09 04:32:55 rtyler, does ifconfig show usb0? Aug 09 04:32:58 yes Aug 09 04:33:06 no IPv4 address though Aug 09 04:33:07 rtyler, you're probably golden now Aug 09 04:33:11 only IPv6 >_< Aug 09 04:33:17 rtyler, did you ifconfig it? Aug 09 04:33:28 aw bugger I need to set the inet address? Aug 09 04:33:42 rtyler, once. It'll set it on your next reboot Aug 09 04:34:03 you could try to find it in init.d Aug 09 04:34:34 I think /etc/init.d/networking force-reload will work Aug 09 04:34:53 YAHTZEE! Aug 09 04:34:56 root@fic-gta01:~$ uname -a Aug 09 04:34:56 Linux fic-gta01 2.6.21.6-moko10 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 25 18:45:34 CDT 2007 armv4tl unknown Aug 09 04:34:57 Wait, ease Aug 09 04:34:59 root@fic-gta01:~$ Aug 09 04:35:03 Congrats! Aug 09 04:35:19 You can also do "ifdown usb0; ifup usb0" Aug 09 04:35:36 You'll have to restart the usb every time you disconnect the device Aug 09 04:35:59 You'll also have to clear your ~/.ssh every time to reflash as the device will have a different id Aug 09 04:36:17 "Now you know the true power of the dark side" so I am going to bed Aug 09 04:36:24 it generates a new key on boot O_o Aug 09 04:36:43 Yes. the 2007.2 images are MUCH faster to ssh Aug 09 04:36:48 sagacis: I mentioned you in the post, got a link or anything? Aug 09 04:36:52 * rtyler bows before sagacis Aug 09 04:37:06 Mentioned me in what post? Aug 09 04:37:20 sagacis: http://www.unethicalblogger.com/posts/r_tyler_ballance/meet_openmoko Aug 09 04:37:20 ljp: headphone insertion should trigger an event on one of the input nodes. I can't recall which one now. I'm going to meet LaF0rge later today and will ask him Aug 09 04:37:31 oh yeah, any of you at LinuxWorld btw? Aug 09 04:37:39 * rtyler works two blocks from the convention center Aug 09 04:37:41 ok, thanks Aug 09 04:37:41 sagacis: I'm not entirely satisfied with it generating new addresses and keypairs every time it boots. We might do something about that Aug 09 04:38:00 np Aug 09 04:38:33 Heh... No. Too involved in life to blog... I'll see what I can do to start existing on the web Aug 09 04:40:00 mickey|ICE1092: We could save serious time by not regenerating the addresses and keypairs. It doesn't really need to, just when it's a new image Aug 09 04:40:41 sagacis: agreed. would you like to open a bug report to further discuss this? (please use severity: feature) Aug 09 04:42:42 OK. I can go to bed tomorrow. :D Aug 09 04:42:45 :-D Aug 09 04:42:47 There it is. Aug 09 04:42:55 cool Aug 09 04:42:57 thanks Aug 09 04:44:21 * CM sighs Aug 09 04:44:35 what's up CM? Aug 09 04:44:50 mickey|ICE1092: Tried flashing with the kernel and rootfs from your page Aug 09 04:44:53 Which component? Aug 09 04:44:56 But now it doesn't boot Aug 09 04:45:22 CM: darn. where does it hang? Aug 09 04:45:45 mickey|ICE1092: It shows the tux icon, covered with a line of text Aug 09 04:45:52 mickey|ICE1092: I flashed the ones from your page onto a Bv3 and it worked fine. Aug 09 04:46:10 2d915.... (May 19 2007 - Aug 09 04:46:11 CM: did you flash the new uboot? Aug 09 04:46:14 rwhitby: glad to know Aug 09 04:46:22 CM: too old! new uboot fixes bug #419 Aug 09 04:46:24 !ombug 419 Aug 09 04:46:25 * * Bug 419, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown Aug 09 04:46:26 * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: dfu download doesn't clean jffs2 partition Aug 09 04:46:27 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=419 Aug 09 04:46:32 mickey|ICE1092: Ok, thanks Aug 09 04:46:44 I have a P1 and thought that the u-boot there would be ok Aug 09 04:46:54 Was a bit scared to flash it since I don't have a debug board Aug 09 04:47:03 yeah, that bu was just recently fixed Aug 09 04:47:07 CM: where are you located? Aug 09 04:47:18 mickey|ICE1092: Gothenburg Sweden Aug 09 04:47:30 mickey|ICE1092: I've also started the nslu2-linux autobuilder building OM2007.2 images and packages at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/ - let me know if anyone would prefer that I don't do that. Aug 09 04:48:32 !ombug 697 Aug 09 04:48:32 * * Bug 697, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Aug 09 04:48:33 * * sagacis(AT)gmail.com: Don't generate security key pairs on every device boot Aug 09 04:48:34 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=697 Aug 09 04:48:49 gnite Aug 09 04:48:56 "Phil: A phone running xwindows is blowing my mind." Aug 09 04:48:59 * rtyler chuckles Aug 09 04:49:13 mickey|ICE1092: Thanks! Now it works :D Aug 09 04:49:25 moin Aug 09 04:49:28 hmm. sweden... i don't know anyone offhand with a debug board there Aug 09 04:50:43 mickey|ICE1092: The new u-boot worked, but now I got a kernel panic "not syncing: Ni init found" Aug 09 04:50:48 mickey|ICE1092: ipkg.nslu2-linux.org is hosted at OSUOSL, next to master.kernel.org, so it might take some load off the OM buildhost :-) Aug 09 04:50:56 CM: you need to reflash Aug 09 04:51:01 ok, thanks Aug 09 04:51:11 the problem with the uboot was that it didn't clear the full partition via dfu Aug 09 04:51:19 so the image could have random bugs Aug 09 04:51:28 ok, thanks a lot again Aug 09 04:51:36 depending on old flash content Aug 09 04:51:38 or not boot at all Aug 09 04:52:01 np. Aug 09 04:57:34 *sigh* Aug 09 04:57:34 the tracks are too old here Aug 09 04:57:34 the train moves too much Aug 09 04:57:34 i can hardly type Aug 09 04:57:40 Does anyone know wich of the headphones for the neo that is the right one? Long or short cable? Aug 09 04:58:23 mickey|ICE1092: between which cities are you traveling? Aug 09 04:58:28 mickey|ICE1092: I liked the ICE trains (Went from Hamburg -> Berlin -> Leipzig -> Nürnberg Aug 09 04:58:33 rtyler: Frankfurt/Main -> Berlin Aug 09 04:58:45 CM: i know that the Motorola EZX ones work for sure Aug 09 04:58:47 by way of Hamburg? Aug 09 04:59:12 let me check Aug 09 04:59:22 * rtyler doesn't remember the ICEs to Berlin being that shakey Aug 09 04:59:31 RB was a nightmare to try to get work done on though >_> Aug 09 04:59:44 actually i have no idea, because this is the so called sprinter that makes no stops in between Aug 09 04:59:51 ah, cool Aug 09 05:00:38 hrm, now if I can only get USB Networking routing through my workstation to the public internet, I'll be set Aug 09 05:02:42 hrw blogged about that Aug 09 05:02:48 if you're on linux, it's three lines Aug 09 05:03:04 Wow, 2007.2 looks awsome! :D Aug 09 05:03:07 * CM is off to work Aug 09 05:03:12 mickey|ICE1092: Aug 09 05:03:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Aug 09 05:03:22 I'm using the automatic method on Debian/Ubuntu Aug 09 05:03:28 are you talking about the post-up commands? Aug 09 05:04:03 and you can even do it automatically once usb0 shows up Aug 09 05:04:03 ok, going to reboot. bbl Aug 09 05:04:26 i can't seem to find the pinout of the debug board v2. anyone has any idea? Aug 09 05:18:06 DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 Aug 09 05:19:45 i can has keylogger too? Aug 09 05:23:26 ? Aug 09 05:23:30 heh Aug 09 05:57:41 Is there any way to get the on screen keyboard working on 2007.2? Aug 09 06:03:13 ya, launch the input manager app Aug 09 06:03:15 and then you should see the infamous white rectangle in the Top Panel Aug 09 06:04:42 Ah, ok. thx Aug 09 06:09:00 Has anybody modified the MokoMakefile for 2007.2? Aug 09 06:11:50 RedDog: I don't think so. rwhitby is online though Aug 09 06:13:26 RedDog: MokoMakefile will begin to build OM2007.2 when mickey|ICE1092 makes the announcement that it's ready. Aug 09 06:13:41 (and you will need to do a complete rebuild from scratch when that happens) Aug 09 06:13:47 rwhitby: means you have allready make a new one ... Aug 09 06:14:02 at the moment, you can use the nslu2-linux master makefile to build it Aug 09 06:14:30 i ask because i have also modified it ... but i'm not shure if mine is correct ... Aug 09 06:14:49 pastebin it and I'll take a look Aug 09 06:15:14 actually i don't want mokomakefile to build 2007.2 until we release the corresponding announcement and the image is working Aug 09 06:15:52 mickey|ICE1092: exactly Aug 09 06:16:11 ~lart gconf_client_notify_add Aug 09 06:16:11 * apt nukes gconf_client_notify_add with a single large nuke Aug 09 06:17:36 mickey|ICE1092: ok for me, but i actually wanted to know if my work on it is ok ... Aug 09 06:20:46 RedDog: have you pastebin'd it? Aug 09 06:21:40 sigh Aug 09 06:21:48 my gconf_client_notify callback doesn't get called Aug 09 06:21:50 any hints? Aug 09 06:21:52 should be nothing more spectacular than Aug 09 06:21:55 gconf_client_dir_add( "/foo" ) Aug 09 06:22:02 gconf_client_notify_add( "/foo/bar", my_callback, NULL, NULL, NULL ); Aug 09 06:22:04 shouldn't it? Aug 09 06:23:18 err, wait Aug 09 06:23:24 gconfd is per-user, right? Aug 09 06:24:34 hah Aug 09 06:24:35 nm, works now Aug 09 06:28:19 mickey|ICE1092: glad we could help ;-) Aug 09 06:31:13 hehe Aug 09 06:31:22 ya know, sometimes it's just enough to have someone to tell it to Aug 09 06:31:41 and then it gets clear Aug 09 06:33:34 ok, neod honors now a power management profile w/ gconf. now just need to enable the user choosing one and we're set for the first simple iteration Aug 09 06:33:47 Nice :) Aug 09 06:34:12 * mickey|ICE1092 loves working in trains... so focused and concentrated Aug 09 06:34:24 because there's nothing else to do Aug 09 06:34:24 heh Aug 09 06:34:53 * CM needs a laptop Aug 09 06:35:52 is the mailinglist broken or my mailserver? Aug 09 06:36:04 no mails since last evening Aug 09 06:41:12 mickey|ICE1092: what did you do to make it work? Aug 09 06:41:54 mickey|ICE1092: and how on earth are you on IRC from the train? they have wifi? Aug 09 06:42:02 rwhitby: no don't know this 'pastbin' ... i have uploaded it to my space ... Aug 09 06:42:21 ~pastebin Aug 09 06:42:22 methinks pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well Aug 09 06:42:41 ok ... then it's on my own pastbin ^^ Aug 09 06:42:55 thanks .. Aug 09 06:43:33 mrface: mickey used his GPRS flatrate, I'm quite sure Aug 09 06:44:15 LaF0rge: ahh, of course. just enough bandwidth for IRC I guess Aug 09 06:44:32 I'm actually quite fine using it with UUCP-over-SSL, too Aug 09 06:44:42 you don't really care if an email is sent within one or five minutes... Aug 09 06:44:46 and it's compressed+batched Aug 09 06:45:17 what does the archive says? Aug 09 06:45:20 I did not know that was possible Aug 09 06:45:21 if there's nothing there, then it's probably a problem at our end Aug 09 06:45:51 mickey: I'll make sure the people who will pick you up will have woken up by the time you arrive ;) Aug 09 06:45:56 !logs Aug 09 06:45:56 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Aug 09 06:45:57 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Aug 09 06:45:58 Live-logs are available at Aug 09 06:46:00 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Aug 09 06:46:02 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Aug 09 06:46:17 mickey: I don't have my car here, 'just' the motorbike ;) Aug 09 06:46:37 mickey|ICE1092: will OM2007.2 still have an SVN overlay over oe.dev? Aug 09 06:46:38 so far I feel like I'm almost the only person awake ;) Aug 09 06:46:49 * mickey|ICE1092 waves to LaF0rge Aug 09 06:46:51 yes, indeed. gprs flatrate Aug 09 06:46:58 it just says "gconfd is per user right?" "hah" "nm, it works now" Aug 09 06:46:59 mrface: i just started to change the gconf values from the same user neod listens for :) Aug 09 06:47:01 yes, irc'ing works. everything else is too heavy Aug 09 06:47:07 LaF0rge: Don't feel like picking up mickey on the bike? :D Aug 09 06:47:10 LaF0rge: sita is nearly full. please increase simfs size Aug 09 06:47:11 rihgt Aug 09 06:47:20 mickey: I fixed that last night. Aug 09 06:47:34 mickey|ICE1092: root? Aug 09 06:47:36 mickey: actually, it was the real partition, we don't use quotas Aug 09 06:47:51 are you guys all at chaos camp? Aug 09 06:48:14 buz: The community list says Last message date: Thu Aug 9 03:53:00 CEST 2007 Aug 09 06:48:15 cm: I wouldn't mind, but there will be a luggage problem, and a '2nd helmet problem', plus I don't think mickey is interested in that either... Aug 09 06:48:39 mrface: alphaone, stefan_schmidt, mickey soon, will (from taipei) tonight, roh, ... Aug 09 06:49:20 how exciting! I'm sure you all will have a productive sprint. you'll be working on OM2007.2? Aug 09 06:49:28 * LaF0rge is on holidays Aug 09 06:49:43 * CM doesn't believe that :P Aug 09 06:49:52 haha Aug 09 06:50:12 seriously, those four days are my holidays for this year Aug 09 06:50:47 That sucks.. I got 2 weeks and that feels short, and I haven't worked a third as much as you do anyway Aug 09 06:50:53 well, there's the netfilter developer workshop next month which also qualifies as holidays at the moment Aug 09 06:51:26 mh. If I now ride the bike across the campsite (to go to the bakery) everyone will be pissed by the noise. Aug 09 06:51:35 my next holiday is a week at burning man :) Aug 09 06:51:40 What bike is it? Aug 09 06:52:09 LaF0rge: ok, thanks (both for sita and pushing someone to pick me up) :) Aug 09 06:52:18 LaF0rge: will will come tonight? good! i was afraid I'd miss him because i want to leave tomorrow Aug 09 06:52:25 right. i don't fancy motorbikes a lot ;) Aug 09 06:52:27 (not even when i'm driving) Aug 09 06:52:41 mrface: yes. neod runs as root and i was changing values as user. no wonder nothing happened :) Aug 09 06:53:04 mickey|ICE1092: Same here, I prefer cars (even better if I don't have to drive ;)) Aug 09 06:53:21 mickey|ICE1092: got it. thanks, I need the same thing in my program Aug 09 06:54:58 mrface: I will be at burning man too :) Aug 09 06:55:48 mrface: 9 & E if your bored (which I doubt you will be ;) Aug 09 06:56:10 rushforth: cool. I am in the Carbofuckination camp... we will have LOTS of carbonated beverages... especially beer Aug 09 06:56:31 mrface: awesome! you guys know where your camping yet? Aug 09 06:56:34 rushforth: I don't know our address yet, I'll have to ask Aug 09 06:56:55 rushforth: someone does, but I forgot it Aug 09 06:57:01 mrface: http://visitbatcountry.org :) Aug 09 06:58:30 * mickey|ICE1092 imagines a fat-ass BMW waking up dozens of hackers which then go after the bike to tar and feather LaF0rge Aug 09 06:58:42 rushforth: looks like fun. :) I can't wait. I think I will definitely have to head over on thursday for mimosas Aug 09 06:59:07 mrface: awesome. :) Aug 09 06:59:35 CM: BMW F650ST Aug 09 06:59:40 CM: 11 years old Aug 09 07:00:07 :) Aug 09 07:00:42 mickey: you'll arrive at 11:06 or something, right? Aug 09 07:00:50 * CM only has a moped, 49 years old DKW (With Audi rings!) Aug 09 07:01:14 * LaF0rge detected that he really needs a bike in taipei Aug 09 07:05:04 did anyone manage to get a copy of tune2fs for arm / Aug 09 07:05:05 ? Aug 09 07:06:46 LaF0rge: correct. 11:06 Eberswald Hbf, Gleis 3 Aug 09 07:07:15 hmm.. svn ci doesn't really cut it over gprs Aug 09 07:07:28 mickey: well, you just wait ;) Aug 09 07:07:59 Just don't get one if you go to India. It's the next thing to suicide. Aug 09 07:11:49 hmm Aug 09 07:11:49 svn: Ãœbertragen fehlgeschlagen (Details folgen): Aug 09 07:11:49 svn: PROPFIND Anfrage fehlgeschlagen auf »/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod« Aug 09 07:11:51 svn: PROPFIND von »/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod«: Konnte Status-Zeile des Servers nicht lesen: Secure connection truncated (https://svn.openmoko.org) Aug 09 07:11:54 ~lart gprs Aug 09 07:11:55 * apt plops gprs into a giant vat of herring Aug 09 07:19:02 * rtyler waves Aug 09 07:19:28 mickey|ICE1092: stumble across those three lines to get routing working between the linux host (w/ usbnet) and the Neo? Aug 09 07:25:04 rtyler: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Aug 09 07:29:18 you'll probably want these too@: Aug 09 07:29:23 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Aug 09 07:29:23 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 09 07:29:23 iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT Aug 09 07:29:46 Did you set up a DHCP server yet? huh? huh? ;') Aug 09 07:32:43 mmm.. my 770 just turned itself on Aug 09 07:48:51 mornin' Aug 09 07:52:00 mellon: no >_> Aug 09 07:54:23 oh well. there's always tomorrow. see you guys later. Aug 09 08:18:05 hi all Aug 09 08:19:46 What does the "Factory reset" option in u-boot do? Aug 09 08:20:12 mornin' Aug 09 08:20:27 I only have two options there, Boot or Factory Reset, and right now boot gives "Incorrect magic number" Aug 09 08:23:44 i'm seeding vmware images with openmoko devel environments by bittorrent, as anounced on the community mailing list before his death... If you want to have a try... http://tracker.unsads.com Aug 09 08:25:48 squalyl: whose death? Aug 09 08:26:06 good morning Aug 09 08:26:13 CM: factory reset sounds a little ominous in a bootloader Aug 09 08:26:17 Why do I not receive any new message from any openmoko lists? Aug 09 08:26:27 their server probably had a hiccup Aug 09 08:26:36 Stephmw: I thought so too, not sure I dare try it Aug 09 08:26:38 mailman has been fucked all daty Aug 09 08:26:52 It's not mentioned on the wiki, and I can't find anything else about it Aug 09 08:26:52 CM: Factory Reset pwns ur box :) Aug 09 08:27:16 squalyl: if you read LaF0rge's blog, you'll see OM have a few infrastructure hiccups ;) Aug 09 08:27:22 rtyler: Well, my Neo doesn't boot now anyway. (Damn magic number..) Aug 09 08:27:31 LaF0rge: btw, I admire your frankness Aug 09 08:27:47 CM: think it's perhaps a bad partition/MBR magic? Aug 09 08:27:55 CM: can you mount it as a USB drive? Aug 09 08:28:07 Not now, I'm at work Aug 09 08:28:21 But I'll try reflashing kernel and rootfs when i get back home Aug 09 08:28:23 * Stephmw reaches through the intartube webs Aug 09 08:30:15 CM: have you zero'd the flash and retried ? Aug 09 08:30:41 ScaredyCat: Not yet. I'll try when I get home Aug 09 08:31:31 I accidentally flashed the root fs into the kernel space... Aug 09 08:31:33 Not sure how to get to that nand erase thing.. Don't get that dev/ttyA... thing Aug 09 08:31:39 gae me the bad magic number thing... Aug 09 08:31:53 just zero'd then and reflashed Aug 09 08:32:01 ScaredyCat: It booted this morning, but not now when I tried again Aug 09 08:32:14 did you recently reflash? Aug 09 08:32:29 This morning, after that everything worked Aug 09 08:33:00 I had a question; where can I find the cool app-chooser that is displayed on www.openmoko.org's phone picure? Aug 09 08:33:47 for the nand thing , boot up with aux+power and then start minicom (or similar) make it use /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 09 08:34:13 the dev should appear when you boot te device... ust hit retrun a couple of times Aug 09 08:34:28 squalyl: om2007.2 Aug 09 08:34:48 thanks Aug 09 08:34:55 (I'm building it now) Aug 09 08:35:00 ScaredyCat: The problem was that I didn't get a /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 09 08:35:02 mickey|sports: has some ready made images Aug 09 08:35:14 :O Aug 09 08:35:25 squalyl: http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ Aug 09 08:35:35 the picture on www.openmoko.org is just a mockup, right? Aug 09 08:35:38 are mickey's images stable? :D Aug 09 08:35:40 jeddy3: which image? Aug 09 08:35:43 Those ones worked for me (But no gsm or gprs yet) Aug 09 08:36:13 rtyler: No, not stable at all. :D Aug 09 08:36:16 they're stable, but they bollox up the libs, so anything you've compiled will have to be redone Aug 09 08:36:32 I haven't gotten to compiling stuff yet :/ Aug 09 08:36:56 or any existing compiled apps, eg ttn from the Go Aug 09 08:37:04 ugh Aug 09 08:37:14 ScaredyCat, ah, so anything built with bitbake working in 2007.1 is not sure to work in 2007.2? Aug 09 08:37:27 it's nice to play with but om2007.1 is more usable Aug 09 08:38:02 no, just mickey|sports' images... I haven't tested self build om207.2 yet Aug 09 08:38:31 I suspect the results will be similar though.. Aug 09 08:39:05 looks good... Aug 09 08:39:07 [squalyl@localhost build]$ bitbake openmoko-devel-image Aug 09 08:39:08 ERROR: Importing sqlite3 and pysqlite2 failed, please install one of them. A 'python-pysqlite2' like package is likely to be what you need. Aug 09 08:39:09 but his dev environment mght just be odd or somehting Aug 09 08:39:27 ScaredyCat, it would explain my strange experiences with building scummvm for 2007.2 Aug 09 08:39:43 ScaredyCat, building other things for 2007.1 worked perfectly Aug 09 08:39:59 yeah.. Aug 09 08:40:09 which makes it a bit of a bugger tbh. Aug 09 08:40:16 * jeddy3 thinks it's time for a downflash Aug 09 08:40:56 yeah, I just play with the flick scrolly stuff, a couple of games of map then it's back to om2007.1 Aug 09 08:41:10 ScaredyCat, :D Aug 09 08:41:36 Note for all: On Fedora 6 I needed to yum install python-sqlite, which was not needed with bitbake 1.6 . Aug 09 08:50:11 hiya Aug 09 08:50:50 I guess base-files are handled like other oe packages? with a local overlay? It would be handy to have customized /etc/hosts, /etc/profile, /home/root/.ssh, etc. for each image build. Aug 09 08:54:37 bluefir: package CANNOT touch HOME dirs Aug 09 08:56:25 Hmm, even root, eh? Thanks, that's good to know. Aug 09 08:58:20 Yeah, but you could make a script run first boot? Aug 09 08:59:40 Yeah, that'll have to be the way to go. Aug 09 09:05:44 argh Aug 09 09:06:02 is python-sqlite2 recent or what? Aug 09 09:06:15 I only have python-sqlite on fedora core 6 repos Aug 09 09:06:33 squalyl: yes, if you use the latest (as of svn) version of bitbake Aug 09 09:06:48 try that? Aug 09 09:08:45 Yeah, I wanted the last bitbake to build OM2007.2 but I guess I'll need a lot of boring configure-make-make install to do before it works Aug 09 09:08:56 Maybe, an older version of bitbake is sufficient? Aug 09 09:09:23 squalyl: unlikely, as this feature requiring sqlite for the implementation was added for OpenMoko Aug 09 09:09:41 squalyl: install python-sqlite and see how that works? Aug 09 09:10:47 It doesn't work Aug 09 09:10:54 I have python-sqlite installed Aug 09 09:10:58 squalyl: why doesn't it work? Aug 09 09:11:03 bitbake complains about python-sqlite2 Aug 09 09:11:08 squalyl: what files is python-sqlite installing? Aug 09 09:11:12 I guess this "2" is important Aug 09 09:11:18 files: no idea... Aug 09 09:11:54 python-sqlite supports sqlite2, python-sqlite2 support sqlite3 Aug 09 09:12:02 bitbake use sqlite3 database Aug 09 09:12:13 * xkr47 cheers as his box'o'mokos has arrived in 2 days from the other side of the world with ups express Aug 09 09:12:22 The error I get is: ERROR: Importing sqlite3 and pysqlite2 failed, please install one of them. A 'python-pysqlite2' like package is likely to be what you need. Aug 09 09:12:22 hrw: and both implement the dbapi interface, so both could work Aug 09 09:12:30 I have sqlite3 but not the python related part Aug 09 09:12:38 squalyl: we were at that point Aug 09 09:12:56 * ScaredyCat fears xkr47's import duty bill Aug 09 09:13:13 I'll have to do what I don't want to... Get this thing from source... Aug 09 09:13:42 squalyl: At least try to make bitbake use your version of python-sqlite? Aug 09 09:14:04 sqlite2 and 3 are really incompatible Aug 09 09:14:05 no import duty expected, but $216 VAT I guess :) Aug 09 09:14:30 squalyl: sure the db, but the python sqlite bindings implement the DBAPI interface Aug 09 09:15:20 I have abolutely never touched a python source file... Where can I find where the import is needed? Aug 09 09:16:11 squalyl: grep for "python-pysqlite2" Aug 09 09:18:12 prolly a faq but haven't seen the answer Aug 09 09:18:33 as the current neo is sold out and it will be available starting september Aug 09 09:18:52 will that be the revesion version of the neo (the on with wifi) or still the current one? Aug 09 09:19:09 s/on/one Aug 09 09:19:14 zecke: it's imported in persist-data.py Aug 09 09:19:28 squalyl: how does this line look like? Aug 09 09:19:37 /build/lib/bb/persist_data.py: from pysqlite2 import dbapi2 as sqlite3 Aug 09 09:19:50 I'll try "fom pysqlite import dbapi as sqlite3" Aug 09 09:20:18 just try it Aug 09 09:22:22 zecke: exactly the same error :/ Aug 09 09:22:53 (yes I re ran setup.py install) Aug 09 09:25:02 squalyl: open a python shell (just by typing python) Aug 09 09:25:22 squalyl: and type from py...." Aug 09 09:25:37 squalyl: and you don't need to install bitbake, you just put the bin/ directory into your PATH Aug 09 09:28:22 zecke: nothing good... No package found. I'll review my python setup. Aug 09 09:29:34 very strange... pysqlite IS installed, because yum uses it! Aug 09 09:31:10 this sucks: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py:import sqlite Aug 09 09:31:24 I know what to do now Aug 09 09:32:54 I will blow up my computer... : ERROR: Please set the 'CACHE' variable. Aug 09 09:48:19 anyone here subscribed to the openmoko community list? Aug 09 09:49:16 y Aug 09 09:49:19 ya Aug 09 09:49:26 of course Aug 09 09:49:30 and yes, it's broke right now Aug 09 09:49:46 yes, Aug 09 09:50:00 what was the last email to the list? Aug 09 09:50:09 my mail server is having.. difficulty Aug 09 09:50:21 ewon: l4st p0st! Aug 09 09:50:49 last thing I'm seeing is: Aug 09 09:50:51 1935 Aug 8 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer (3344) Re: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed Aug 09 10:03:43 Where can I find the touch-test-ting? Aug 09 10:04:19 (I mean, the finger-test-program, where in the source tree is it?) Aug 09 10:04:47 grep! Aug 09 10:05:40 Same here, ewon. Perhaps it's the ml server? Aug 09 10:05:54 rtyler: What for? :-) Aug 09 10:05:54 it's mailman being shit, move along :) Aug 09 10:06:09 daxxar: grep -ri "touchytouchy" ./* Aug 09 10:06:11 :D Aug 09 10:06:38 rtyler: ^_^ Aug 09 10:06:51 * daxxar touches rtyler Aug 09 10:07:00 * rtyler calls the police >_> Aug 09 10:07:47 * mmazur can testify as a witness Aug 09 10:08:33 "openmoko-finger-demo" Aug 09 10:08:45 daxxar@unsane:~/openmoko$ grep -rI openmoko-finger-demo . Aug 09 10:13:00 daxxar: if you *really* want to help out, fix text messaging :D Aug 09 10:13:09 and say, my sound driver >_< Aug 09 10:13:45 "fix"? Is there even a start of text messaging? Aug 09 10:14:41 yeah, make it pushemail :) Aug 09 10:16:33 how much faster "real" neo is compared to qemu emulation? Aug 09 10:16:43 about -25% Aug 09 10:16:57 eerrrm Aug 09 10:17:01 it of course, depends on the machine hosting QEMU :) Aug 09 10:17:11 yes Aug 09 10:17:21 how long is a piece of string Aug 09 10:17:50 on my 1.6ghz laptop qemu is asstastically slow Aug 09 10:18:16 that's what you get for buying a celeron Aug 09 10:18:23 the real neo is about 5.599222005992992555 times faster Aug 09 10:18:42 give or take 10-20 times Aug 09 10:18:48 Haha Aug 09 10:18:48 neo_vib_switch: Buzz, buzz. Aug 09 10:19:25 I had fun with that too :P Aug 09 10:19:54 rtyler: the laptop only cost 300 ... I'm not complaining Aug 09 10:20:09 asstastically, nice Aug 09 10:21:38 Dmitry_Platonov: pt it this way... on the real neo when I click the dialer icon, the dialer is there in ~3 seconds Aug 09 10:22:20 * ScaredyCat uses the laser pointer on rtyler Aug 09 10:22:36 "expect you to talk? I expect you to die" Aug 09 10:23:01 you guys see that DVD-R laser hack on slashdot? Aug 09 10:23:19 sure Aug 09 10:23:26 nope.. Aug 09 10:24:36 Takes ~3 seconds here, ScaredyCat Aug 09 10:24:41 Your laptop SUCKS, man! Sucks! Aug 09 10:24:51 I have a 1.4Ghz Aug 09 10:24:52 daxxar: I think he knows that <_< Aug 09 10:25:01 (but it's a dual-core pentium) Aug 09 10:25:27 Wait, I lied, it's a 1.83Ghz, but it's currently running at .. 1GHz? Aug 09 10:25:30 * ScaredyCat does a nand erase daxxar Aug 09 10:25:32 I think it's the PM kicking in. Aug 09 10:25:56 that'll be the other 16 processors you have Aug 09 10:26:05 ;-) Aug 09 10:26:15 But it has the vmx-extension or whatitsname Aug 09 10:26:22 The emulation support. Aug 09 10:26:27 Dunno if qemu uses it though. Aug 09 10:26:35 I would guess that's only for x86 emulation? Aug 09 10:27:17 depends if you built x86 images really... Aug 09 10:27:36 As I said, I guess it's only for x86, and I'm building the elite arm-binaries! Aug 09 10:27:59 I can't be arsed to build a separate x86-environment just for testing, too much hassle (and diskspace). Aug 09 10:28:09 * ScaredyCat throws fruit at daxxar Aug 09 10:28:29 * daxxar hugs ScaredyCat Aug 09 10:30:34 you know what... Aug 09 10:30:55 the neo is a cheaper SMS gaeway than the fox board based one Aug 09 10:31:08 s/gaeway/gateway/ Aug 09 10:31:08 ScaredyCat meant: the neo is a cheaper SMS gateway than the fox board based one Aug 09 10:31:41 silly bot Aug 09 10:31:56 nbd, ping Aug 09 10:40:06 I bet it's a lot cheaper to buy a stand-alone modem, ScaredyCat, or perhaps a pcmcia-modem + pcmcia->pci-card. :-) Aug 09 10:40:58 yeah, I kow, I was just really making the point that the fox board one was a fecking rip off Aug 09 10:41:15 yes Aug 09 10:41:22 That's true. ;-) Aug 09 10:44:40 is there anyone who is using gmail for openmoko mailing lists? have you received any e-mails the last few days? Aug 09 10:44:50 mbuf: the mailman server is fucked up right now Aug 09 10:45:09 oh wow, didn't expect that to work Aug 09 10:45:33 rtyler, ok Aug 09 10:45:49 is it so that a) first batch only included a plektra (to open the moko with) b) only black phones include a plektra ? I got two white-orange and one black and only the black seemed to contain a plektra Aug 09 10:47:18 Greetings, I'm having problem compiling openmoko. I've followed the wiki of monomakefile step by step, and tryed several ways, but I always get the same error, while compiling perl-native-5.8.7-r3: Aug 09 10:47:20 | ccache gcc -c -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DTHREADS_HAVE_PIDS -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/gdbm -O2 -DVERSION=\"1.04\" -DXS_VERSION=\"1.04\" -fpic "-I../../.." SysV.c Aug 09 10:47:21 | SysV.xs:7:25: error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory Aug 09 10:47:23 | make[2]: *** [SysV.o] Error 1 Aug 09 10:47:24 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/masterbrian/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/perl-native-5.8.7-r3/perl-5.8.7/ext/IPC/SysV' Aug 09 10:47:26 | make[1]: *** [lib/auto/IPC/SysV/SysV.so] Error 2 Aug 09 10:47:27 xkr47, its quite easy for me with the fingers; i guess it would depend on the size of your hand? Aug 09 10:47:27 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/masterbrian/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/perl-native-5.8.7-r3/perl-5.8.7' Aug 09 10:47:28 AHHH FLOOD! Aug 09 10:47:29 | FATAL: oe_runmake failed Aug 09 10:47:30 NOTE: Task failed: /home/masterbrian/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/perl-native-5.8.7-r3/temp/log.do_compile.11200 Aug 09 10:47:32 NOTE: package perl-native-5.8.7-r3: task do_compile: failed Aug 09 10:47:32 masterbrian: PASTE BIN! Aug 09 10:47:34 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Aug 09 10:47:36 NOTE: package perl-native-5.8.7: failed Aug 09 10:47:38 ERROR: Build of openmoko-devel-image failed Aug 09 10:47:40 * rtyler drowns Aug 09 10:47:40 make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1 Aug 09 10:47:42 it seems that asm/page.h is missing, and I'm unable to fix this problem. Anyone here can help me? Thank you Aug 09 10:47:48 * ScaredyCat stabs masterbrian Aug 09 10:47:53 * hrw ignore flooders Aug 09 10:47:53 mbuf, oops wrong person ? Aug 09 10:47:55 ops, sorry Aug 09 10:47:56 * rtyler looks the other way Aug 09 10:47:58 use pastebin.ca masterbrian Aug 09 10:48:06 * CM lags Aug 09 10:48:15 slags Aug 09 10:48:20 * rtyler wags Aug 09 10:48:36 * ScaredyCat floods Aug 09 10:48:38 +COPS: (2,"T-Mobile NL","TMO NL","20416"),(3,"NL KPN ","NL KPN","20408"),(1,"vodafone NL","voda NL","20404"),(3,"Orange NL","Orange","20420") Aug 09 10:48:43 schweet Aug 09 10:48:56 here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/650968 Aug 09 10:48:57 vodkafone Aug 09 10:49:26 mmm vodkafone Aug 09 10:49:29 this is the error that I get while trying to compile openmoko using mokomakefile Aug 09 10:49:50 anyone can help me please? Aug 09 10:49:56 patience Aug 09 10:50:01 masterbrian: That's a common error and I think the solution can be found in bugzilla Aug 09 10:50:04 mokomakefile is obsolete Aug 09 10:50:31 hrw I've updated mokomakefile using the procedure described in to the wiki Aug 09 10:50:36 masterbrian, asm/page.h: No such file or directory; missing some -I or don't have header files Aug 09 10:51:01 counter Aug 09 10:51:01 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1797;252) Aug 09 10:51:05 masterbrian: we all wait for openmoko core team to announce final switch to 2007.2 software and building from OE directly Aug 09 10:51:08 daxxar, I uploaded new images. Please make subdirs under Dmitry_Platonov: 20070808, 20070809 etc. Aug 09 10:55:32 ossman: pong Aug 09 10:55:55 nbd, I've got my hands on a ar6k now. How's the status? :) Aug 09 10:56:55 Dmitry_Platonov: Do you think om.daxxar.com/dmitry or something would be a better/simpler url? Aug 09 10:57:50 * Dmitry_Platonov agrees Aug 09 10:58:21 * Dmitry_Platonov hates to press shift 8) Aug 09 10:58:48 Check privmsg, and I'll get you a nicer URL. Aug 09 10:59:00 tiny url it Aug 09 10:59:31 We'll figure something out. :-) Aug 09 10:59:47 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ Aug 09 10:59:58 buildhost.daxxar.com Aug 09 11:00:06 autobuilds every 15 minutes Aug 09 11:00:18 * ScaredyCat deletes rwhitby's dodgy images Aug 09 11:00:40 ossman: if i plug in the card, the probe works and it starts initializing the hardware, but the controller locks up after 1-1.5 seconds Aug 09 11:00:47 ossman: this is with using single byte ops only Aug 09 11:00:57 ossman: if i do mmc_io_rw_extended, it locks up immediately Aug 09 11:01:08 nbd, the kernel, or just the device? Aug 09 11:01:18 just the device Aug 09 11:01:34 the controller reports 'operation still in progress' and can't be reset anymore Aug 09 11:01:43 Hm, I guess Dmitry_Platonov disappeared. :-P Aug 09 11:02:07 nbd, I don't suppose you have different controller to try with? Aug 09 11:02:22 hi Aug 09 11:03:38 there is one small fix in my 20070809 image - it does not include /etc/pointercal, which will result in calibration on first boot. Aug 09 11:04:01 Dmitry_Platonov: supplied one does not work for you? Aug 09 11:04:32 Dmitry_Platonov: Do you know anyone in Oman? Aug 09 11:04:44 If so, you could get dimitry.om. Aug 09 11:06:39 hrw, when using stock images my touchscreen is miscalibrated, and I cannot run calibration tool (still did not setup network between host & qemu) Aug 09 11:07:53 ossman: not yet Aug 09 11:07:57 ossman: but i'll try to get one Aug 09 11:08:17 nbd, do you know the progress of the other openmoko guys? Aug 09 11:12:03 openmoko: 03nbd * r2668 10/developers/nbd/ar6k/hif/hif.c: ar6k: replace direct mmc_io_rw_extended calls with calls to sdio_*, use one-byte ops only (for testing) Aug 09 11:12:28 ossman: not really. if you want to test my driver, i just checked in the version used in my last test Aug 09 11:12:40 gladly Aug 09 11:13:29 nbd, do you know who works on it at least? :) Aug 09 11:14:06 i think i'm the only one working on ar6k Aug 09 11:14:47 oh. I figured since this is the chip of choice, that there were some core guys hacking on this :) Aug 09 11:15:07 well, the task of porting the driver was assigned to me Aug 09 11:15:32 i guess there will be more people cleaning up the driver when it starts working Aug 09 11:16:12 ok. block transfer support is in my tree, being pushed in a bit at least Aug 09 11:16:26 together with assorted bug fixes Aug 09 11:16:56 if i use block transfer, the card locks up even faster Aug 09 11:17:04 so i used single byte transfers only Aug 09 11:19:00 nbd, have you tried 1-bit bus? Aug 09 11:19:12 the marvell card I have goes belly up on 4-bit transfers Aug 09 11:24:57 How do you open mail in this email client in openmoko? I would have assumed you just select the email and it'd show below. Aug 09 11:27:20 Ooohh.. Shiny! http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/08/08/review_sony_vgntz11xn/print.html Aug 09 11:27:38 But £1,799 is way out of my budget for a laptop.. :( Aug 09 11:28:07 yeah you can buy a car for that ;) Aug 09 11:28:20 ScaredyCat: I did last month :D Aug 09 11:28:25 lol Aug 09 11:29:51 ossman: yes, 1 bit behaves like 4 bit Aug 09 11:29:57 ossman: card dies after 1-2s Aug 09 11:30:01 bummer Aug 09 11:30:03 ossman: also tried changing the clock speed Aug 09 11:30:08 that also made no difference Aug 09 11:31:48 nbd, annoying thing. which card do you have? Aug 09 11:32:27 I bought a car for exactly the same price as my neo :) Aug 09 11:32:44 ossman: some accton ar6k devel card Aug 09 11:32:52 don't know the name of it Aug 09 11:32:57 (it was not a good car) Aug 09 11:33:12 nbd, ok. I have a card directly from atheros. perhaps it will behave differently Aug 09 11:43:59 nbd, have you changed anything other than hif? Aug 09 11:45:19 How on earth do you open mail in the openmoko email client? Aug 09 11:45:41 Does it not yet work? Aug 09 11:45:55 Mukunda: 2007 or 2007.2? Aug 09 11:46:27 I have a suspicion that the 2007 message app is just a gui demo, though haven't bothered to examine that Aug 09 11:46:31 email client working - that's being optimistic Aug 09 11:47:01 Yeah cause either way, the client is a 2007 app which is no longer under development anyway Aug 09 11:47:26 Id have thought modest was the most sensible way to go for email in openmoko Aug 09 11:48:00 modest is based on tinymail? Aug 09 11:48:07 hrw: I beleive so Aug 09 11:56:36 the tinymail author was on the community list early on, I wonder if he got a device? Aug 09 11:56:40 abraxa_: 2007.2 I think, how can I check? Aug 09 11:56:58 does the power button turn it off? Aug 09 11:57:16 lol Aug 09 11:57:16 turn what off? Aug 09 11:57:20 Hehe... Power button? Aug 09 11:57:24 the neo Aug 09 11:57:27 ah Aug 09 11:57:35 press for a short time, and a menu pops up Aug 09 11:57:41 It's amusing being able to shut the phone down with shutdown -h now. Aug 09 11:57:43 saying 'power off, ...' Aug 09 11:57:45 Well I don't have hardware. Aug 09 11:57:46 if not == om2007.2 Aug 09 11:57:52 Just the emulator. Aug 09 11:58:06 press and hold the button, and it turns off 'hard' - sometimes, unless it doesn't. Aug 09 11:58:11 Mukunda: just use halt Aug 09 11:58:17 However, it leaves a substantial amount of stuff on. Aug 09 11:58:18 Mukunda, what images you flashed? Aug 09 11:58:23 At least, for example the modem. Aug 09 11:58:29 Dmitry_Platonov: used mokomakefile today. Aug 09 11:58:37 Eh, still need to update that page, woops. Aug 09 11:58:48 mokomakefile = OM 2007 Aug 09 11:59:15 Ah. Aug 09 11:59:37 Well must go clean the house. Aug 09 11:59:37 * rwhitby hasn't forgotten about the wiki page either ;-) Aug 09 11:59:49 the web browser needs fixing ... it;s terrible. Aug 09 12:00:36 * ScaredyCat powers up mokomaker Aug 09 12:02:15 * ScaredyCat ponders http://www.cleware.de/p-usbampel-E.html as a build indicator ;) Aug 09 12:02:23 * SpeedEvil just managed to _really_ confuse himself. Aug 09 12:02:41 It's possible to start Xnest, and have it display on its own display. Aug 09 12:02:56 Xest :X Aug 09 12:02:57 errm.... Aug 09 12:03:03 Xnest :X Aug 09 12:03:29 Yes - I know how to set it up - I just had a mis-set DISPLAY for other reasons Aug 09 12:07:41 good morning Aug 09 12:08:00 i'm finally back after alightning strike on Monday Aug 09 12:08:14 fried a bunch of stuff Aug 09 12:08:28 any news? Aug 09 12:08:30 yikes Aug 09 12:09:13 it came into the house over the mains Aug 09 12:12:50 ossman: maybe some header files, not sure. but i think it was only hif Aug 09 12:40:25 openmoko: 03abraxa * r2669 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (22 files in 2 dirs): Aug 09 12:40:25 openmoko: Reworked UI for seamless 2007.2 integration Aug 09 12:40:25 openmoko: Restructured code to better suit 2007.2 UI Aug 09 12:40:25 openmoko: Added automatic session handling Aug 09 12:40:25 openmoko: Added playlist UI foundation Aug 09 12:40:35 :) Aug 09 12:40:35 :o Aug 09 12:40:50 But does it play 640*480 h.264? Aug 09 12:41:02 I wish :) Aug 09 12:41:02 * Dmitry_Platonov doubts Aug 09 12:41:23 I'm only doing audio for now, video will come later Aug 09 12:41:49 SpeedEvil, anyway, the vcd quality video played fine when you measured how long it can last? Aug 09 12:41:58 You mean battery? Aug 09 12:42:08 yeah Aug 09 12:42:35 Basically - 2 hours - if you turn the volume up all the way to distortion to around 3 hours. Aug 09 12:43:18 SpeedEvil, I meant that was the playback okay when you were doing that? Aug 09 12:43:28 Oh - yes. Aug 09 12:43:33 It depends. Aug 09 12:43:49 aah Aug 09 12:43:52 30fps VCDs tend to be very slightly too slow Aug 09 12:43:55 the "it depends" answer Aug 09 12:43:55 25fps ok Aug 09 12:43:57 "_ Aug 09 12:44:05 if it's got 256K audio - too slow Aug 09 12:44:06 :) Aug 09 12:44:19 But, 25fps 128K plays just about consistently. Aug 09 12:44:41 However, it's slow enough that also running top will cause it to lose sync. Aug 09 12:44:44 But, in practice. Aug 09 12:44:53 -framedrop makes it play all reasonable vcds. Aug 09 12:45:04 with typically 1 or 2 frames dropped a second Aug 09 12:45:10 thats acceptibler Aug 09 12:45:14 Indeed. Aug 09 12:45:22 However. Rotation is expensive. Aug 09 12:45:22 better than scaling the video down to 320x240 or something Aug 09 12:45:28 yeah Aug 09 12:45:32 Err - VCD is around 320*240 Aug 09 12:45:34 u need hw rotation to do that right Aug 09 12:45:41 ooh Aug 09 12:45:45 that res vcd Aug 09 12:45:49 :) Aug 09 12:45:56 600M/hour Aug 09 12:46:00 your upscaling to 640x480 is als a cost Aug 09 12:46:07 Upscaling? Aug 09 12:46:11 Postage stamp! Aug 09 12:46:13 :) Aug 09 12:46:15 320->640 Aug 09 12:46:16 \oooh Aug 09 12:46:20 u're 1:1ing it Aug 09 12:46:51 video playback is basicalyl tough - if u dont at leats have yuv->Rgb + scaling in hw Aug 09 12:47:05 the rescaling is trivial - the LCM supports QVGA mode. Aug 09 12:47:06 at least on such limited devices Aug 09 12:47:09 (the kernel does not yet) Aug 09 12:47:22 the problem is u will invariably have to play it in 640x480 Aug 09 12:47:22 The rotation is decidedly not. Aug 09 12:47:27 with other ui elements in place Aug 09 12:47:36 I'm assuming fullscreen. Aug 09 12:47:40 SpeedEvil, yeah; for me, if I can play prerotated qvga vcd-quality stuff with 128k audio I'll be happy Aug 09 12:47:41 Or postage-stamp. Aug 09 12:47:47 eg statusbars (battery, etc.) Aug 09 12:48:04 how does it compare to 770? Aug 09 12:48:14 770 has video hardware I think. Aug 09 12:48:18 ahh Aug 09 12:49:03 the gta-02 will have hw Aug 09 12:49:05 and more Aug 09 12:50:50 raster: more ? Aug 09 12:51:05 ScaredyCat: Think of the CPU upgrade Aug 09 12:51:08 3d accel chipset Aug 09 12:51:15 that's hardware Aug 09 12:51:25 i know Aug 09 12:51:30 On another topic. Aug 09 12:51:42 * ScaredyCat slaps somone Aug 09 12:51:46 I have found out how to add stuff to the 'keyboard' menu Aug 09 12:51:54 is there a way to easily add stuff to the main menu? Aug 09 12:51:58 found how to fix the graphic? Aug 09 12:52:15 ./usr/share/applications/inputmethods/xrandr.desktop Aug 09 12:52:19 :) Aug 09 12:52:22 SpeedEvil: I assume you mean 2007? Aug 09 12:52:28 yes Aug 09 12:53:31 did mickey just say he was camp ? Aug 09 12:53:46 * SpeedEvil contemplated that joke. Aug 09 12:53:48 Have fun, Mickey :) Aug 09 12:53:54 :) Aug 09 12:53:55 thanks Aug 09 12:54:01 Good luck! Aug 09 12:54:12 don;t eat the fish Aug 09 12:54:21 heh Aug 09 12:56:11 SpeedEvil: What exactly do you want to add in the main menu? Aug 09 12:56:21 Random scripty stuff. Aug 09 12:56:34 'GPRS on' Aug 09 12:56:59 gsm init / reg ? Aug 09 12:57:03 I'm not sure if 2007 handles it the same way as 2007.2 but it's worth having a look in /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders/ Aug 09 12:57:09 The That sort of stuff, yes. Aug 09 12:57:16 At least that's where the desktop entries are on 2007.2 Aug 09 12:58:14 ame for .1 Aug 09 12:58:17 s Aug 09 12:58:33 Ah, good Aug 09 12:59:16 So just add yours and toss the matching .desktop files in /usr/share/applications Aug 09 12:59:23 openmoko: 03mickey * r2670 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (4 files in 2 dirs): neod: save/load power management values via gconf, enable changing PM profile via power-button-hold menu Aug 09 12:59:31 Ah - rihgt. Aug 09 12:59:56 Thanks! Aug 09 13:00:04 yeah, I did manage to add an entry with my remote.desktop just fine Aug 09 13:00:07 You helped me often enough yourself ;) Aug 09 13:01:17 Or just jam a desktop in /usr/share/applications/inputmethods and reboot :) Aug 09 13:04:56 Anyone an idea on how to talk to such a beast: "hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Device [Hoitek Semiconductor USB to Serial] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-1" (from dmesg) ? Aug 09 13:05:19 Elrond: you've got host mode working? Aug 09 13:05:32 SpeedEvil - Huh? What do you mean? Aug 09 13:05:35 isn't there a kernel driver for those usb->serial adapters? Aug 09 13:05:40 On the neo. Aug 09 13:05:54 SpeedEvil - Huh. No. ;-) That's connected to my desktop. ;-) Aug 09 13:06:15 Stephmw - I had asuumed so. But no ttyUSB0 in /dev ;-| Aug 09 13:09:50 Elrond: might not be built/integrated by default Aug 09 13:15:32 Stephmw - Well, it's a debian/stable standard kernel. I had hoped, that all basic stuff is in there. and CDC_ACM for example works nicely. Aug 09 13:17:03 Elrond, perhaps the vendor/product-if mapping is missing? (didn't get the whole discussion...but) Aug 09 13:17:13 I hate people who start 100+ pages print jobs when I wait for ONE page Aug 09 13:17:37 squaly there is an red button on most printers Aug 09 13:17:44 if no one looks Aug 09 13:17:48 lol Aug 09 13:17:49 you know what to do Aug 09 13:18:15 I just have to wait. If I do that there are people that are able to restart the whole job :D Aug 09 13:19:44 squalyl: alternate printers are wonderful :) Aug 09 13:19:55 squalyl: 6 on this floor alone Aug 09 13:20:42 alternate printers have multiple output trays? Aug 09 13:21:37 There should be page schedulers on printers 10 pages for this job, 10 pages for that jobs... Aug 09 13:23:04 In english: Printers should have page schedulers etc... Aug 09 13:23:26 I feel lame. I speak frenglish. Aug 09 13:23:31 mdt - Maybe... but the usb-vendor/product-id seem very generic for some dallas 1-wire thingy. All quite strange. Aug 09 13:23:34 * squalyl hides under the keyboard Aug 09 13:24:43 Elrond, did it load usbserial? Aug 09 13:25:31 mdt - No. It only seemed to load usnhid. Aug 09 13:25:57 mdt - And no I've ended up with /dev/usb/hiddev0 and no idea how to do anything useful with it. ;) Aug 09 13:26:01 Elrond, don't understand why this device is serial /and/ hid... hm Aug 09 13:26:07 Does anyone happen to know if any GSM providers at all support ppp/gprs compression? Either header or payload. Aug 09 13:27:14 mdt - The "Hoitek Semiconductor USB to Serial" string is from the usb device descriptor, I think. But it's all quite strange to me. Aug 09 13:27:53 Elrond, what does lsusb say? which ids? Aug 09 13:28:05 04fa:2490 Aug 09 13:28:30 I like googling 04fa 2490 "kernel driver" in these cases Aug 09 13:28:34 occasionally turns up stuff Aug 09 13:28:52 so do a `modprobe usbserial vendor=0xaf0 product=0x2490` after disconnecting and removing the hid module Aug 09 13:29:13 Elrond, that way usbserial will try to drive that thing Aug 09 13:29:51 Hmm. Aug 09 13:30:48 Elrond, what does it say? Aug 09 13:33:41 mdt - Going to try soon. I need to do some other work just NOW. Aug 09 13:35:22 Elrond, :/ i was so curious.. ;) Aug 09 13:35:36 did anyone have a better gsmhandset.state ? Aug 09 13:36:01 I dont even have a handset Aug 09 13:36:38 good job, that one will make you deaf :( Aug 09 13:41:57 ScaredyCat: change the mode of the lm4857 to by handset speaker (not stereo speaker) Aug 09 13:42:09 ScaredyCat: the neo I wrote that file on had broken speakers Aug 09 13:46:38 mdt - After reading a lot more, I guess, I need to setup some 1-wire stuff in userspace. I'm just finding some more info. :) Aug 09 13:49:03 What is this thing? Aug 09 13:49:20 I thought you said it was a serial device - you mean it's TI's 1-wire bus? Aug 09 13:50:29 SpeedEvil - It says it was serial... but the more I read around, it seems an usb-1wire connector. On the other side is a DMM. ;-) Aug 09 13:50:39 Ah. Aug 09 13:50:43 1-wire is fun. Aug 09 13:51:04 Is it a hacked-together thing, or a commercial product? Aug 09 13:51:41 owfs Aug 09 13:51:43 ftw Aug 09 13:52:06 owfs is cool Aug 09 13:52:27 SpeedEvil - commercial. Aug 09 13:52:36 with commercial software? Aug 09 13:52:50 It's probable it's some bit-banged interface then. Aug 09 13:52:58 you won't be able to read out stuff directly. Aug 09 13:53:20 there will be a standard protocol out to the 1-wire chip, then it will bit-bang. Prolly. Aug 09 13:53:33 It also can be used with rs232. And I have the bitbanging-docs for that. I have the slight hope, that the 1wire thing does the same. Aug 09 13:54:23 * SpeedEvil has just tried 'web' in landscape mode. Aug 09 13:54:37 With the keyboard popped up, there is a 5 pixel horizontal window. Aug 09 14:08:44 can 'web' load local files? Aug 09 14:09:48 how do you mean that? Aug 09 14:10:00 file://root/home/foo.html Aug 09 14:11:17 i don't get it, you want to view this in browser? or include it's content in web page? Aug 09 14:11:38 I want to view local pages - ebooks, forex - on the web browser Aug 09 14:12:11 this should be possible, it's quite easy, but don't know that 'web' app :) Aug 09 14:12:40 click the top-left logo, pick 'web' with an active internet connection. Aug 09 14:12:47 It goes to google. Aug 09 14:12:51 As a default Aug 09 14:13:08 you need to pick 'desktop' in preferences, or the pages look silly Aug 09 14:13:21 i'm at work, sorry Aug 09 14:22:49 it deosn't do cookies either Aug 09 14:23:00 Doesn't do rather a lot :) Aug 09 14:23:07 which is really really annoying since google are dumbfuks Aug 09 14:23:24 assume i want google.nl just because I'm in .nl Aug 09 14:25:00 ah right - double click to link. That was confusing me. Aug 09 14:25:20 Doesn't do flash :) Aug 09 14:25:56 * ScaredyCat added xrandr to menus, much more useful :) Aug 09 14:26:19 What is wrong with my computer if I don't get a /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 09 14:26:37 When I plug in the Neo in dfu mode that is Aug 09 14:29:02 I flashed these buils on my just arrived neo: Aug 09 14:29:03 bye Aug 09 14:29:03 -rw-r--r-- 1 rene rene 32243712 Aug 9 12:25 openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 09 14:29:06 -rw-r--r-- 1 rene rene 1590701 Aug 9 12:23 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin Aug 09 14:29:12 are those reasonable to start with or particularly bad ? Aug 09 14:31:17 CM: hmm, you have a cdc_acm module loaded? Aug 09 14:31:46 jeddy3: Not sure of that, I'm on gentoo. Thanks, I'll look Aug 09 14:32:34 CM: i _think_ that might be the module needed, not sure though Aug 09 14:32:52 Sounds likely Aug 09 14:33:05 I have a "bad magic number" and re-flashing doesn't help.. Aug 09 14:33:06 cdc_acm is the srtial console one Aug 09 14:33:17 cdc_ether is the ethernet Aug 09 14:33:27 magic number when? Aug 09 14:33:27 and when you boot, that is replaced by cdc_ether Aug 09 14:33:36 excactly :) Aug 09 14:35:49 * CM looks around in make menuconfig to find it Aug 09 14:36:43 rxr: sounds reasonable (latest of both right?) they have matching kernel modules, and i'm running them right now Aug 09 14:36:45 Ah, found it. Was disabled Aug 09 14:37:33 CM: you have downgraded from 2007.2? Aug 09 14:38:15 No, I dropped it when it was open and on and the battery fell out Aug 09 14:38:33 oh Aug 09 14:38:35 And after that it wouldn't boot because of having a wrong magic number :( Aug 09 14:38:42 hmm, strange Aug 09 14:38:55 So I tried reflashing with the same images, but that doesn't help Aug 09 14:39:01 So I want to do a nand erase Aug 09 14:39:06 right Aug 09 14:39:11 But then I didn't have that ttyA.. Aug 09 14:44:52 have you bricked it CM ? Aug 09 14:48:34 ScaredyCat: Kind of Aug 09 14:48:48 ScaredyCat: It won't boot because of "Wrong magic number" Aug 09 14:49:06 not even boot menu ? Aug 09 14:49:20 I get the boot menu if I hold in the aux, luckily Aug 09 14:49:31 So I guess I can recover it once I can do the nand erase thing Aug 09 14:49:44 Just have to comoile support for cdc_acm Aug 09 14:49:46 ok.. so at that point can you see the tty ? Aug 09 14:49:56 ahh in your kernel.. Aug 09 14:49:57 No, not yet Aug 09 14:50:00 Yex Aug 09 14:50:11 * CM tries to find usb_net Aug 09 15:01:18 hi folks, anyone knows where i can get the pinouts or schematics of the debug board? Aug 09 15:08:19 It's on the wiki Aug 09 15:08:25 well - the connector pinout. Aug 09 15:12:54 very interesting, one of my SIM cards is accepted and I can do calls, the other is not Aug 09 15:12:57 strange thing Aug 09 15:13:50 hm Aug 09 15:13:50 providers? Aug 09 15:13:55 some Aug 09 15:14:02 jipi - why? Aug 09 15:14:04 i just got the second cards 2 hours ago just for the neo Aug 09 15:15:49 om2007.2 failed to build for me :-/ Aug 09 15:15:56 gtk+ failed to build, or so it seemed Aug 09 15:16:23 (and of course the 2nd, new cards works in my other, Sony M600i) ... Aug 09 15:16:31 but well I can track myself Aug 09 15:18:15 anyone else getting inconsistent behaviour from the modem? Aug 09 15:18:20 rxr, could it be that the second sim is a usim (umts-sim)? Aug 09 15:20:20 Ok... Aug 09 15:20:31 What does suspending based on events on the neo? Aug 09 15:20:41 nothing? Aug 09 15:20:44 because something seems to be suspending through apm Aug 09 15:20:51 and turning off my backlight at random times Aug 09 15:21:54 thomasg: both cards are suppost to be UMTS SIM cards Aug 09 15:21:57 for example, set the time 7 years in the future, and it turns off hte backlight. Aug 09 15:21:58 thomasg: why do you ask ? Aug 09 15:22:24 Hmm. doesn't seem to be the backlight. Aug 09 15:22:54 rxr, well, some people said that USIMS could make problems, so I wonder who really has problems with it Aug 09 15:24:31 thomasg: both are UMTS cards, my primary one is quite new likewise, just 5 month or so Aug 09 15:24:37 but the new cards looks a little different Aug 09 15:24:46 but I'm asked for the PIN, that part appears to work Aug 09 15:25:11 * SpeedEvil just committed an evil hack. Aug 09 15:25:23 Google-maps doesn't work on the neo. Aug 09 15:26:16 I got part-way through setting up a script to send GPS positions over the net to a server, which then would log into google maps at the coordinates, and grab a screenshot of a firefox window, and crop it, and upload it. Aug 09 15:26:31 Then realised that there have to be better solutions. Aug 09 15:26:40 rxr, I have some usims (no normal sim), too, and 2 of them (one about 3 years old) work without a problem Aug 09 15:26:43 :) Aug 09 15:34:46 SpeedEvil: I'm trying to see what is being pulled out from the neo. and there are some unused thru holes. what are those? Aug 09 15:35:08 Umm - what? Aug 09 15:35:15 Oh. Aug 09 15:35:25 hm - in this gsm client thing: Aug 09 15:35:27 They may or may not reflect earlier versions of the board. Aug 09 15:35:27 # R Aug 09 15:35:27 Register Aug 09 15:35:27 EVENT: Netreg searching for network Aug 09 15:35:27 EVENT: Netreg registration denied Aug 09 15:35:30 EVENT: Signal Quality: 31 Aug 09 15:35:40 the debug connector used to have address lines on it Aug 09 15:36:16 rxr: sunrise sim? Aug 09 15:36:17 SpeedEvil: what about now? is the 20-pin jtag used for other devices or can i connect a jtag debugger to it? Aug 09 15:36:47 Dunno. Aug 09 15:36:48 Obri: O2 SIM, Germany Aug 09 15:36:54 The board contains an internal wiggler Aug 09 15:36:58 over USB Aug 09 15:37:39 is there some restriction on CLIR ? Aug 09 15:37:48 rxr: hmmmm Aug 09 15:37:53 ok - I have to go, help a frind drilling some holes into the wall and cut new carpet Aug 09 15:37:53 rxr: http://obri.sygroup.ch/sunrise-neo1973 Aug 09 15:37:57 cu later Aug 09 15:38:29 Obri: with my other , 4-6 month older UMTS SIM cards, of the same O2 provider it works Aug 09 15:38:35 SpeedEvil: for example, if i want to use an external jtag debugger with neo. can i use the debug board? Aug 09 15:38:38 i take a deep look later Aug 09 15:38:56 have to hurry with thru the other end of Berlin - cu then Aug 09 15:39:05 rxr: i have the same problem with a older sunrise sim Aug 09 15:39:08 cu rxr Aug 09 15:40:43 SpeedEvil: basically i am looking at the jtag signals which is connected to neo. tt's all. which one are those? Aug 09 15:41:19 openmoko: 03mickey * r2671 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: add runtime debug stuff Aug 09 15:48:01 * ScaredyCat hugs bugmenot Aug 09 15:59:42 Hi folks, can how can I set and save the date and time. I can save but it is lost when the device is turned off? Aug 09 16:00:32 openmoko: 03mickey * r2672 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: fix (hopefully) off-by-one error Aug 09 16:00:44 emre_: try hwclock --systohc Aug 09 16:00:56 let me try. Aug 09 16:02:24 Is anyone here using MokoMakefile to build for ARM? Aug 09 16:05:21 obri: great, it works thanks. Aug 09 16:07:52 emre_ & Obri: do we need a "kill" symlink to hwclock.sh in /etc/rc0.d? Aug 09 16:11:44 dotmef: why? Aug 09 16:12:13 to automatically do the "hwclock --systohc" on shutdown Aug 09 16:12:30 i think it is a one time job.. Aug 09 16:13:04 SpeedEvil: there are much, much better ways Aug 09 16:13:23 SpeedEvil: you might want to look up the source for maemo-mapper on the maemo platform Aug 09 16:13:56 Indeed. Aug 09 16:14:16 emre_: I guess if you're not worried about timezones, then it'll do Aug 09 16:15:15 emre_: and any time you change the time, you'll have to run that command again Aug 09 16:15:22 SpeedEvil: it's a very nice little app Aug 09 16:15:44 I've not got a build environment up yet. Aug 09 16:16:25 dotmef: right, maybe putting this into the date command would even be better.. Aug 09 16:18:48 SpeedEvil: build env or not, it has an algorithm for converting coordinates to map tile urls Aug 09 16:19:01 SpeedEvil: on googlemaps or openstreetmap or other such Aug 09 16:19:31 That's trivial. Aug 09 16:19:37 I've got an awk script to do that. Aug 09 16:19:46 And throw out gmaps tile coordiantes Aug 09 16:20:04 so why the complex server-side stuff Aug 09 16:22:47 Because I couldn't come up with a trivial way to show where I was on the phone. Aug 09 16:23:01 As the browser doesn't understand google-maps. Aug 09 16:25:00 hi Aug 09 16:25:31 there is a possibilities that the Neo1973 will have a camera? Aug 09 16:25:31 There is no camera included. With (battery) powered USB hub, you should be able to attach to (almost) any external camera. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware for details on what is included. Also see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (also some model next year probably will gave camera module: http://www.channelweb.co.uk/vnunet/news/2192036/first-open-source-mobile-phone ) Aug 09 16:26:03 wow Aug 09 16:26:05 blimey, aloril is getting more accurate Aug 09 16:26:44 wifi and camera triggers most of time are accurate, faq less so Aug 09 16:26:47 lotto numbers Aug 09 16:26:58 damn... Aug 09 16:27:09 but there is a slot for the stylus pointer? Aug 09 16:27:21 dotmef: you forgot the trailing question mark. Aug 09 16:27:31 lol Aug 09 16:29:06 no. Aug 09 16:29:12 no slot. Aug 09 16:31:03 uff Aug 09 16:31:15 It does have a laser though. Aug 09 16:31:22 zomg lazer! Aug 09 16:31:27 It cannot chargez its laza though. Aug 09 16:31:31 boo Aug 09 16:31:53 all lazors need chargin Aug 09 16:32:22 I haved read here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category_talk:Neo1973_Hardware that there is the possibility to add a IR interface... Aug 09 16:32:33 has uboot been fixed in openmoko yet? Aug 09 16:33:05 whee, ircing with neo1973 Aug 09 16:33:28 With touchscreen keyboard? Aug 09 16:33:30 1337 Aug 09 16:33:39 yes Aug 09 16:33:41 17:33 actually :P Aug 09 16:33:50 using what client? Aug 09 16:33:55 irisi Aug 09 16:34:07 I've done it with the onscreen keyboard and telnet Aug 09 16:34:17 over bluetooth, over external bluetooth gprs Aug 09 16:34:27 why external? Aug 09 16:34:46 hi larforge Aug 09 16:34:47 Oh - right, you're not running irssi on the device? Aug 09 16:34:51 args laforge Aug 09 16:35:00 don"t wish to put my real sim card in this Aug 09 16:35:06 wuss Aug 09 16:35:09 Oh - I see. Aug 09 16:53:41 SpeedEvil: have you scripted your gprs? Aug 09 16:53:47 yes. Aug 09 16:53:58 is the script available Aug 09 16:53:59 ? Aug 09 16:54:08 For a small fee :) Aug 09 16:54:14 I'll tar it up and link to it. Aug 09 16:54:29 * ScaredyCat offers SpeedEvil a muffin ;) Aug 09 16:54:44 ta Aug 09 16:56:12 are the slurpies shipping ? Aug 09 16:57:37 every time I twist the pen to get the pointer tip I get blinded by the laser :/ Aug 09 17:00:10 mine arrived today in finland Aug 09 17:00:15 sadly I am in germany Aug 09 17:00:44 Road trip!!! Aug 09 17:00:56 intercept Aug 09 17:00:58 mellon: flying back on wednesday Aug 09 17:01:06 I can wait that long Aug 09 17:01:09 Ah. It wasn't an accident. That's good. Aug 09 17:01:29 but road trip would be much cooler :) Aug 09 17:01:32 my dad is now playing with it :) Aug 09 17:01:32 Finland seems like a pretty wide miss if they had been trying to get it to you in Germany. Aug 09 17:01:57 what happens if you turn it on unflashed? Aug 09 17:01:58 Yeah, a road trip from Germany to Finland on a boxer. That would be nice... As long as it didn't rain too much... Aug 09 17:02:04 It boots, and then panics. Aug 09 17:02:08 oh it's raining like hell Aug 09 17:02:10 He should remove the battery after he's done. Aug 09 17:02:11 http://www.mauve.plus.com/gprs.tar.gz Aug 09 17:02:18 trivial. Aug 09 17:02:23 mellon: why, is it bad if you just let it run out? Aug 09 17:02:25 Otherwise the power manager chip will run it down fairly quickly. Aug 09 17:02:32 /home/root/doppp starts ppp Aug 09 17:02:39 If it runs down to nothing it's tricky getting it back. Aug 09 17:02:40 mellon: ok Aug 09 17:02:41 (apparently) Aug 09 17:02:45 I haven't had any trouble. Aug 09 17:03:11 But I've been paranoid about not running it down... :') Aug 09 17:03:41 you need to edit /etc/gprs-script to change the APN from general.t-mobile.uk to your own APN Aug 09 17:04:32 how do I get a zImage out of a uImage ? Aug 09 17:04:49 ok, just called him to let him know Aug 09 17:07:54 Anybody have 2007.2 building successfully? Aug 09 17:08:32 per om2007.2 ... not me Aug 09 17:09:11 anyone have anything building succesfully :) Aug 09 17:12:11 freelock: yes ... Aug 09 17:12:24 Using nslu2 make file? Aug 09 17:12:37 but "The program 'matchbox-panel-2' received an X Window System error." Aug 09 17:12:46 freelock: nope Aug 09 17:12:50 Kero, using mokomakefile, yes Aug 09 17:13:45 Kero: yep. complete build and first (console-based) phonecall, today. me=happy. Aug 09 17:13:59 daMaestro: mine breaks with monotone upgrade Aug 09 17:15:17 now I don't particularly care about that, atm, since I'll be gone for the next three weeks. Aug 09 17:15:36 but I'm wondering whether OE is hidden inside a broken versioning system. Aug 09 17:17:53 320*240 flv (youtube) works fine too. Aug 09 17:18:19 It would need an optimised rotator. Aug 09 17:19:11 I'll be happy to run stuff in qemu-arm for now. So I'll repeat my Q. Aug 09 17:19:14 how do I get a zImage out of a uImage ? Aug 09 17:20:52 find the conversion process and reverse it? Aug 09 17:21:39 certainly. That must be hidden in that monotone archive... Aug 09 17:23:26 alright, wiki has some info on it. Aug 09 17:23:58 how can i disable this very nice loading screen on boot? Aug 09 17:25:18 someone set up their phone as an free shell server and give me an account :) Aug 09 17:29:07 pike: you might find the GPRS connection a bit slow... Aug 09 17:34:25 hi Aug 09 17:43:09 What's gsmd status? Aug 09 17:46:21 no use, qemu-system-arm gives me a churning CPU, but a black screen Aug 09 17:55:11 from the openmoko-stylus-demo, how can i make the navigation area appear to the full length of the window? Aug 09 17:55:58 i removed detailswindow, and i still see the navigation window fill up only half the full screen size Aug 09 18:06:02 * Kero tries to build a qemu-arm with Neo support. Aug 09 18:09:49 does anyone has any idea how to use the debug board with neo1973? Aug 09 18:11:38 jipi, connect the neo with the flat cable to the board, connect the board with the usb cable to the pc, rtfm (wiki) :) Aug 09 18:13:21 thomasg: which software shd i use? i already connect everything. there is sjf2410, openocd and dfu-util Aug 09 18:15:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board Aug 09 18:15:13 * HistoryOnTheRoad hates wikis. Aug 09 18:15:38 ha! booted my images with the fresh qemu-for-neo. Aug 09 18:15:46 Quick q: Can I get Bluetooth to come up with the USB not connected? Aug 09 18:16:09 The wiki seems to imply the USB must be in to get it started :S Aug 09 18:16:11 jipi, imho a simple: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 should work Aug 09 18:16:29 instead of screen you can/may/should(?) use another terminal emulator like cu Aug 09 18:19:30 is it right, that /var/lib is an xml gconf file? Aug 09 18:22:52 Ok, another quick Q: Any rumors/word about the GPS Aug 09 18:23:27 RedDog: /var/lib sounds like it should be a directory ... but that is just an opinion Aug 09 18:24:23 GPS driver, I mean, of course :S Aug 09 18:24:42 no word on if fic has an agreement to write the driver Aug 09 18:25:15 bmidgley__: Well, they've already written it Aug 09 18:25:29 It shipped with P0 phones by accident :) Aug 09 18:25:30 ok to distribute Aug 09 18:25:48 the real driver will work with gpsd Aug 09 18:25:58 Yeah, I was hoping someone might be privvy to how close that might be. Aug 09 18:26:30 it might even be a closed-source standalone gpsd Aug 09 18:26:56 As long as it spits out GPS or NMEA stuff, that is good for now. Aug 09 18:27:17 seems that my rootfs is terrible damaged ... Aug 09 18:27:19 There is already a loose collaboration for an open-source driver for the chipset Aug 09 18:28:35 by accident? Aug 09 18:28:43 you mean they never actually intended the gps to be functional? Aug 09 18:28:45 ..... Aug 09 18:28:53 anrp: no no Aug 09 18:29:08 It's the legal mumbo jumbo that has to be worked out Aug 09 18:29:21 it is still useless, regardless of the reason Aug 09 18:29:40 FIC has to agree to give the first offspring of all of it's employees to the chip maker, and all will be well. Or something like that. Aug 09 18:30:25 anrp: Well, we know what the holdup is. This legal bs isn't nice, but someone has to dot the i's and cross the t's. Aug 09 18:30:26 :S Aug 09 18:30:42 well has someone "accidentally" distributed gllin? Aug 09 18:30:59 gllin is a prototype Aug 09 18:31:06 yes, but its more than zero Aug 09 18:31:08 much more Aug 09 18:31:14 * cjb has gllin. Aug 09 18:32:16 cjb: Where are you, and which alley do we meet you in to get a copy of gllin? :P Aug 09 18:32:38 * anrp aol's Aug 09 18:32:38 (Just a printed copy for perusal, of course ;)) Aug 09 18:32:59 whoaaaaa Aug 09 18:33:52 What is this, trying to ./configure Perl on a typerwriter or somthing? Aug 09 18:34:09 http://chris.printf.net/definitely_not_gllin.tar Aug 09 18:34:47 * anrp nods Aug 09 18:34:51 that's definately not gllin Aug 09 18:35:03 (I don't have much respect for the gllin situation; if the OpenMoko team wants to punish people for sharing software that's required functionality for the device then, well, screw them.) Aug 09 18:35:17 MORE pron? Sheesh, I thought this was a CLEAN channel. :P Aug 09 18:36:19 I don't think it's that. They don't want to get in trouble, which I can understand. Aug 09 18:36:30 quit Aug 09 18:36:55 sorry, wrong window Aug 09 18:37:17 anyone got a 770 ? Aug 09 18:37:22 DukeOfURL: That's ok, you'll just be demoted to JackOfEarl now. Aug 09 18:37:30 i have an 800! Aug 09 18:37:34 ...which is totally unhelpful Aug 09 18:37:37 * HistoryOnTheRoad has a stupid neo1973 :P Aug 09 18:37:40 :D Aug 09 18:38:23 I figured out how to play mp3's Aug 09 18:38:41 And they sound AWESOME (at least the ones on the rootfs sound wicked) Aug 09 18:38:51 If only I could figure out the recording Aug 09 18:38:53 :S Aug 09 18:40:15 who needs recording D: Aug 09 18:40:30 me Aug 09 18:40:34 note to self: put on pants Aug 09 18:40:41 * doc|work forgot this morning :( Aug 09 18:40:49 lol Aug 09 18:41:18 if you only discovered it now, you probably don't need em D: Aug 09 18:41:20 Well, GSM isn't working for me, so having a voice recorder would be a nice consolation Aug 09 18:41:52 bnm, Aug 09 18:43:28 openmoko: 03mickey * r2673 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/ (gtkrc openmoko-panel-plugins): openmoko theming: make clock visible (again) Aug 09 18:43:29 HistoryOnTheRoad: are you just hosed, or will a different SIM card do it? Aug 09 18:44:32 mellon: I'm not sure. I can register to the network, but not make a call, and I don't get calls. I think it's a bit weird. :S Aug 09 18:44:48 I'm going to try another GSM provider later Aug 09 18:44:51 Yeah, that is weird. Who's your provider? Aug 09 18:45:27 Rogers (in Canada) Aug 09 18:45:41 Ah. Aug 09 18:45:45 Canada. Aug 09 18:45:49 That's harsh. Aug 09 18:45:59 (Nice country, of course!) Aug 09 18:46:13 :P Aug 09 18:46:39 I'm going to try Fido and then a US Sim card, but I can't figure out why it wouldn't work. :S Aug 09 18:47:02 Yeah, that's worrisome. I haven't tried connecting yet. Aug 09 18:48:30 Wow, the European contingent have some very weird signoff messages. Aug 09 18:48:47 ouch, no kidding. :P Aug 09 18:49:07 rogers for the lose :( Aug 09 18:50:13 Well, hopefully it's just something I need to tweak Aug 09 18:50:29 Hm, this is weird - for some reason gutsy doesn't offer python-psyco Aug 09 18:50:38 I can't imagine Rogers cares how I spend my online minutes on their system Aug 09 18:50:49 Oh, maybe it's because I have an x86_x64 machine. Aug 09 18:51:06 Well, don't they have a really crappy GPRS pricing scheme? Aug 09 18:52:32 mellon: OF course. Why offer good unlimited rates when you can spooge people for next-to-no bandwidth? :P Aug 09 18:52:51 And, consequently, not sell any bandwidth... Aug 09 18:52:54 HistoryOnTheRoad: what are the fido/rogers rates? :/ Aug 09 18:52:56 is there any good bitbake howto (not the whole documentation)? Aug 09 18:53:09 the fido rates for normal calls/sms are crazy Aug 09 18:53:12 thomasg what you want ot know? Aug 09 18:53:16 and those were the best of the lot Aug 09 18:53:36 doc|work: Rogers has 5MB for $5. It goes UP from there. :S Aug 09 18:53:48 bugger Aug 09 18:53:56 wifi from blenz it is! Aug 09 18:54:10 Hm, so when I build openmoko-devel-image, does it automatically update first? Aug 09 18:54:19 Well, you could get away with little GPRS usage if you use it wisely Aug 09 18:54:25 doc|work:heh! Aug 09 18:54:29 HistoryOnTheRoad: irc != wise :) Aug 09 18:54:39 bluetooth/USB for most stuff, GPRS only for "live" updates. Aug 09 18:54:45 HistoryOnTheRoad: let me guess, that expires after 30 days too? Aug 09 18:55:05 doc|work: IRC wouldn't be bad, unless you are idling for hours in a channel ;) Aug 09 18:55:17 Man, you'd have to bloody well sip it to get by on $1/megabyte... Aug 09 18:56:01 I'm going to get the $5 plan, and see what I can do. There are a few things that are interesting, and I might be able to squeeze it. Aug 09 18:56:03 HistoryOnTheRoad: I do :) doc|work doc|home and once rates are decent there'll be doc|phone :) Aug 09 18:56:14 No general web browsing with the 200K images though ;) Aug 09 18:56:21 yeah Aug 09 18:57:08 Blackberries have better rateplans. Maybe we can emulate their protoocol ;) Aug 09 18:57:23 My feeling is with pressure they will reduce rates. Aug 09 18:57:43 The bozo at one wireless shop claimed Fido didn't do "data". Aug 09 18:57:53 makes sense, otherwise wifi will kill them completely Aug 09 18:58:09 Since it's part of the GSM standard, I'm not sure how that is really possible :) Aug 09 18:58:28 ? Aug 09 18:58:30 ah, ok Aug 09 18:58:34 doc|work: Do you know anything about that "portable internet" they have been touting? Aug 09 18:59:02 HistoryOnTheRoad: nope, never heard of it. I tend not to listen though. If their normal rates are that assbackwards I expect little from them any time soon Aug 09 18:59:04 openmoko: 03mickey * r2674 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: fix bug that prevented stopping PM Aug 09 18:59:07 Apparently you just need an electric outlet. I dunno if it's over power lines or wireless or what. Aug 09 18:59:14 paying for receiving calls... wtf? :( Aug 09 18:59:28 HistoryOnTheRoad: oh yeah, I've heard of that. That's been around for years. Aug 09 19:00:04 I don't know what tech they are using though ... They have just started to push it. Aug 09 19:00:05 http://www.internetworldstats.com/articles/art072.htm Aug 09 19:00:11 doc|work:that's the way it is here in North America. Aug 09 19:01:02 mellon: yep, I'm Irish but in Canada and anyone from home who hears about this thinks it's utterly stupid Aug 09 19:01:28 it's far more expensive over here than back home, then you add in paying for receiving calls :/ Aug 09 19:01:28 Well, it's how the system evolved. Aug 09 19:01:58 I can't understand why it's a fortune to call cellphones in Europe ... I think that is silly :) Aug 09 19:02:25 The idea is that you must really want to talk to the person, or you wouldn't call. Aug 09 19:02:27 They are starting to promote "free incoming local calls" here Aug 09 19:02:32 And if some jerk decides to spam me, they have to pay. Aug 09 19:02:53 So I have a lot of sympathy for the caller paying a fortune to call me. Aug 09 19:03:25 mellon: Yeah, but it's 10 times the rates in some cases. I don't care what the expenses are, carriers aren't incurring 10x the expense to run a cell network :) Aug 09 19:03:37 Hm. Maybe. Aug 09 19:03:49 I think the cost of cell networks is actually fairly substantial. Aug 09 19:03:54 Neo1973 impact protection system. http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/126629/rb/0 Aug 09 19:04:18 Well, to set up, yes. But not as much as the conventional phone system cost. Aug 09 19:04:18 * doc|work wants! Aug 09 19:04:24 I think one of the reasons cell providers are such money-grubbers is that they're trying to find non-marginal revenue sources, because it's hard to make good money on the marginal sources (i.e., calls). Aug 09 19:04:33 And they are riding on that in a lot of spots, too, don't forget. Aug 09 19:04:50 Not having to run the "last mile" cabling is a huge savings. Aug 09 19:05:26 Sure, but they keep having to buy new technology. Aug 09 19:06:12 Well, phone companies here are upgrading switches and laying new fiber. I'm not paying 10x to call their customers :) Aug 09 19:06:20 A premium I get. Aug 09 19:06:21 Dunno, I have a lot of sympathy for cell providers, except for the fact that I don't want to have to do business with them. Aug 09 19:06:30 mellon: LOL :D Aug 09 19:06:54 They are unbelievably good at making the deal just slightly shy of bad enough that you won't take it. Aug 09 19:06:59 SpeedEvil: LOL @ protection system ;) Aug 09 19:07:24 t-mobile US is really the best of a bad lot. Dunno what the equivalent is in Europe... Aug 09 19:07:39 It reminds me of the demos that I saw for that microsoft table thing you could interact with Aug 09 19:08:07 "oh, isn't that cool?" .... but the big "biz" thing they showed were comparing cellphone plans. Aug 09 19:08:15 heh Aug 09 19:08:36 I said..."sheesh, make the fricking plans simpler and you won't need a $10,000 gadget to explain it" Aug 09 19:08:46 :P Aug 09 19:09:04 Next you'll be wanting the airlines to use a ticket pricing scheme that makes sense. Aug 09 19:09:51 "you want to bring a bag with you? silly man! that'll be $40 please" Aug 09 19:10:21 Oxygen is $10/flight, payable in advance (you don't want us to cut you off mid-flight, do you?) Aug 09 19:10:56 LMAo Aug 09 19:11:36 mellon: t-mobile is the cheapest source of data I can find in the UK. Aug 09 19:11:41 Of course, if they insist on pre-paid oxygen, in the event of a crash I want a partial refund! Aug 09 19:12:09 Ah - but you got it from takeoff to landing. That's all you're due. Aug 09 19:12:22 where is the sourcecode for openmoko-terminal in the build environment (built by MokoMakefile) Aug 09 19:12:43 mwester: but of course what they never tell you is that it's recycled oxygen.... Aug 09 19:12:45 isn't it gtkterm2? Aug 09 19:14:01 so, when the wifi chip comes in, how are they going to determine if you should connect over wifi rather than over your sim card? Aug 09 19:14:38 to be coded. Aug 09 19:14:45 There is stuff on the wiki Aug 09 19:14:55 it'll happen automagically? Aug 09 19:15:01 presumably autologin into authorised APs. Aug 09 19:15:12 And then use it if signal strength >foo Aug 09 19:15:13 SpeedEvil, correct, thanks Aug 09 19:16:54 "Shut up a ringing phone, without accepting or rejecting the call. Aug 09 19:16:56 Another alternative might be to use microphone to recognize when the user gives an audible "Shhh!" command. This could prove difficult to determine with the simultaneous ringing, and possible in-pocket shuffling noises. " Aug 09 19:17:02 I *really* like that idea Aug 09 19:17:08 that'd amaze friends :) Aug 09 19:17:47 * mbuf ponders why the event on menus is called "activate" while event on buttons is "clicked" - when both mean the same Aug 09 19:18:09 Not really. Aug 09 19:18:21 keys, forex Aug 09 19:21:51 Anyone with an idea if Bluetooth should work without being USB connected? Aug 09 19:21:56 yes Aug 09 19:22:01 oh Aug 09 19:22:10 bluetooth is on the USB bus. Aug 09 19:22:14 What do you mean? Aug 09 19:22:35 HistoryOnTheRoad: bluetooth module has a suspend mode for disconnecting from usb Aug 09 19:22:50 but it's not properly wired to take advantage in this hardware Aug 09 19:22:59 Oh - yeah. Aug 09 19:23:03 meaning disconnect from usb but keep processing Aug 09 19:23:09 It can do stuff while the system is asleep. Aug 09 19:23:16 But the system can't be told of this. Aug 09 19:23:19 So there is no point. Aug 09 19:23:43 Maybe GTA03 Aug 09 19:24:12 could the kernel wake up and poll it from time to time? Aug 09 19:24:22 Not really. Aug 09 19:24:37 It would need to poll every second or so as I understand it. Aug 09 19:26:09 A second is a long time... Aug 09 19:26:36 a second is pretty short for a bt inquiry interval Aug 09 19:26:45 was somebody able to build a 2007.2 image with a really working gui? I every time only see icons of the top-bar on a black background :( Aug 09 19:27:02 10sec seems pretty good for detecting devices Aug 09 19:27:13 the shortest BT inquiry I've seen is around 7 secs Aug 09 19:27:20 thomasg: For my part, it just takes a bit of time before it loads the Today-screen Aug 09 19:27:28 thomasg: It shows the black bg + icons for a bit, then loads the GUI Aug 09 19:27:50 So, you need to be plugged into a USB connection to use BT then? Aug 09 19:27:59 daxxar, not here, I'm waiting for 10 minutes now :) Aug 09 19:28:07 Oh, meep Aug 09 19:28:12 I'm not as worried about power savings and such, at this moment :P Aug 09 19:28:16 HistoryOnTheRoad, hell no Aug 09 19:28:28 I used dmitry's builds, http://daxxar.slask.no/om/ Aug 09 19:28:29 mjr: lol, ok good :) Aug 09 19:28:30 HistoryOnTheRoad we thought you meant the internal usb host bus Aug 09 19:28:41 The BT thing is internally connected to the internal USB bus. Aug 09 19:28:41 Sorry, no Aug 09 19:28:44 the external slave bus isn't required for anything Aug 09 19:28:56 External host/slave bus Aug 09 19:28:56 I printed out the wiki instructions and tried them on the subway earlier Aug 09 19:29:06 mjr: which image are you using now? Aug 09 19:29:19 but it wouldn't work, and they seemed USB connected-centric. Aug 09 19:29:28 mjr: mine arrived today and I can't wait to get back to finland to play around with it Aug 09 19:30:15 which instructions Aug 09 19:30:46 haven't really updated yet, just installed python to play with; still these: Aug 09 19:30:47 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin Aug 09 19:30:48 openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070728081358.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 09 19:30:53 daxxar, I built the same time as dmitry did the first time - and we had the same problems :) Aug 09 19:31:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Support Aug 09 19:31:47 thomasg: huum. Strange. :-) Aug 09 19:32:06 mjr: I think we'll be having a mokoparty in porvoo next weekend :) Aug 09 19:32:12 daxxar, I'll try to solve it the windows-wa Aug 09 19:32:14 *way Aug 09 19:32:26 Reboot? Reinstall? ;P Aug 09 19:32:28 doc|work: Whare abouts in Canada are you? Aug 09 19:32:30 (no, not the reinstallation method ^^) Aug 09 19:32:30 I'll bring german beer Aug 09 19:32:39 the 2nd windows-way :) Aug 09 19:32:45 Kliment_, there was one Neo besides mine at the Free Thursday today :] Aug 09 19:32:52 cool, who had it? Aug 09 19:33:12 it was somebody from the channel, don't recall now Aug 09 19:33:16 ok Aug 09 19:33:36 did you have any trouble with flashing and such? Aug 09 19:33:53 and which operator do you use and does it work with it Aug 09 19:34:34 no trouble, and I've made a test call both on my usual Saunalahti SIM and my prepaid DNA SIM I bought for testing purposes Aug 09 19:34:52 how's the sound quality on those? Aug 09 19:35:04 I have a sonera and an elisa sim Aug 09 19:35:08 HistoryOnTheRoad: did you power up bt successfully? hciconfig print something? Aug 09 19:35:12 so we can try those next weekend Aug 09 19:35:31 once using the headset and thus getting rid of the feedback bug in the alsa state files in my firmware, the sound was as one would expect Aug 09 19:36:00 and with the phone? Aug 09 19:36:24 I don't have a working handset alsa state Aug 09 19:36:40 btw, I suggest adding mpd support to your remote control tool Aug 09 19:36:42 playing oggs from the speakers was surprisingly good for the speaker size Aug 09 19:37:12 just add commands to the config file Aug 09 19:37:16 does anybody have a working handset.state Aug 09 19:37:22 I'm sure mpd is cli-controllable Aug 09 19:37:38 mjr: it is, but would be nice to get the state info as well Aug 09 19:37:52 mjr: currently playing info and timecodes Aug 09 19:38:08 I've considered that and will not do feedback for 1.0 Aug 09 19:38:22 mjr: ok Aug 09 19:40:00 what is the 2007.2 OM release? and how different is it from the current build environment? Aug 09 19:40:44 mjr: which application did you use to play ogg files? Aug 09 19:43:11 bmidgley__: I'm not sure ... i did follow the instructions, but one of the commands said "protocol not supported", which I thought was odd Aug 09 19:43:34 emre_, ogg123 Aug 09 19:44:17 * HistoryOnTheRoad played the mp3's included on the rootfs, and they aren't too bad Aug 09 19:53:28 x11perf runs rather fast on neo Aug 09 19:55:22 does anyone know how to parse the nmea strings? Aug 09 19:55:41 SpeedEvil has a built in parser Aug 09 19:56:09 yeah, paste one here, he'll grok it Aug 09 19:56:16 :D Aug 09 19:56:35 jeddy3: start with wikipedia Aug 09 19:56:42 if i look in specifications the strings don't seem to match Aug 09 19:56:57 yeah i found specifications Aug 09 19:57:15 jeddy3: freshmeat has couple nice small nmea libs Aug 09 19:57:50 for instance, $GPGGA is the one i should look at for positioning data, right? first token in that is supposed to be time, but doensn't seem to be Aug 09 19:58:29 jeddy3: what do you have in the supposed time field? Aug 09 19:58:48 raynet, 235946.99...doensn't ever change Aug 09 19:59:26 is #419 in uboot or in dfu-util fixed? Aug 09 19:59:51 jeddy3: lemme check my quick'n'dirty nmea parser Aug 09 20:00:03 raynet, ok, thanks Aug 09 20:00:28 hi all - silly question time: any idea when the mailing lists will be back? Aug 09 20:00:29 Phlash: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 09 20:00:42 :D Aug 09 20:00:59 good answer aloril xD Aug 09 20:02:01 nice answer, I guess that's a dunno :) Aug 09 20:02:05 aloril: What is 42 the answer to? :P Aug 09 20:02:32 Are the ML's hosed? Aug 09 20:06:06 Hmm, looks like it Aug 09 20:06:39 no wait a minute...my bad :|...gllin crashes...and the test script just writes the same data it got before crash, over and over again Aug 09 20:07:00 jeddy3: hehe Aug 09 20:07:49 * jeddy3 slaps himself with a large trout. Aug 09 20:08:40 anyone knows what to gather from: "gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/681", then :) Aug 09 20:09:07 ok, I found out why I don't get the 2007.2 gui - openmoko-today segfaults because of a dbus problem Aug 09 20:09:39 thomasg: are you shure you have a dbus problem? Aug 09 20:09:45 jeddy3: the following is a guess, based on snippets i occasionally read here Aug 09 20:09:56 ckuethe, shoot :) Aug 09 20:09:56 RedDog, not me, the neo :) Aug 09 20:10:09 gllin was compiled using OABI - the old way of doing things Aug 09 20:10:23 you updated your neo to a new openmoko release which uses EABI Aug 09 20:10:24 but no, I aren't, can't be a openmoko-today-problem, too - but it has to do with dbus (somehow) Aug 09 20:10:27 i flashed rootfs with a 64mb /dev/zero image and after i reflashed om, that gui worked ... Aug 09 20:10:33 OABI and EABI are not compatible Aug 09 20:10:35 s/arent/am not... Aug 09 20:10:37 some apps may start Aug 09 20:10:48 some apps may run and produce garbage Aug 09 20:10:53 some apps may work fine Aug 09 20:11:24 ckuethe, that could explain it Aug 09 20:11:25 seems that i haven't a fixed version of uboot or dfu (Bug #419) ... Aug 09 20:11:37 WARNING **: Failed to make a connection to the session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session Aug 09 20:11:47 ABI = Application Binary Interface. It describes things like ordering of arguments on the stack, use of registers, floating point conventions .... Aug 09 20:12:14 so you updated your neo then? Aug 09 20:12:35 me? Aug 09 20:13:06 again, based on a cursory read of this channel, gllin is only expected to work on the very first software load Aug 09 20:13:31 it will be re-compiled and properly released at a later date, after rights to do so are granted Aug 09 20:13:46 or that's how i understand it Aug 09 20:13:53 ckuethe, and then what, reboot, or power down gps? Aug 09 20:14:34 ckuethe, could explain things...i got hold of a inofficial gllin compilation Aug 09 20:14:53 if indeed it is an ABI problem, you'd have just as much luck trying to run a winxp binary on dos 6 Aug 09 20:14:54 ckuethe, could be from phase0 Aug 09 20:15:01 ckuethe, :D Aug 09 20:15:32 it starts...spits out some string, wich looks like garbage compared to how the should look like, and then crashes Aug 09 20:15:33 basically gps doesn't really work right now, but there are hopes and plans afoot to fix that Real Soon Now Aug 09 20:15:45 s/the/they Aug 09 20:15:59 yep, those are consistent with OABI/EABI mismatches i've seen Aug 09 20:16:23 ckuethe, alright then, thanks for pointers Aug 09 20:20:25 jeddy3: How do you know that isn't working as designed? :P Aug 09 20:21:32 HistoryOnTheRoad, :) Aug 09 20:22:39 Drivers should "just work", regardless of most other software. but a kernel mismatch could be a sticking point, of course Aug 09 20:23:33 A (ahem) well designed driver should refuse to load into a kernel it doesn't like. Sadly, many drivers just don't care. :S Aug 09 20:24:39 ABI problems _should_ only arise from mismatching libraries, not drivers. Aug 09 20:25:17 openmoko: 03stefan * r2675 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Aug 09 20:25:17 openmoko: 2007-08-09 Stefan Schmidt Aug 09 20:25:17 openmoko: Initial import from matchbox desktop-folders. Aug 09 20:25:44 The kernel is supposed to be an abstraction layer into drivers. (this allows for driver updates/fixes without breaking all userland stuff that depends on the device) Aug 09 20:26:19 I know very little about the GPS drivers, so this could not be the case at all. But I would be surprised. Aug 09 20:26:29 gllin is an executable performing a function that would normally be expected of a driver Aug 09 20:26:50 plus, gllin must do floating point Aug 09 20:27:10 and floating point can be very sensitive to floating point problems Aug 09 20:27:15 i see this all the time with gpsd Aug 09 20:27:48 most of the EABI changes deal with floats Aug 09 20:27:52 people incorrectly cross-compile gpsd and then it blows up... Aug 09 20:28:31 EABI (as i understand it) at least tries to make floats look/act more like they do on more common machines Aug 09 20:28:42 for better or worse, it's at least more consistent Aug 09 20:28:44 Well, one would hope it would be floating point that would be sensitive to FP issues :) Aug 09 20:29:02 many ARM cpus don't have an FPU Aug 09 20:29:23 including the one on the neo Aug 09 20:29:25 and even if you did, there's the order in which you pass your args in to have then handled by the FP subsystem Aug 09 20:29:41 ABIs describe that order, and the format of your responses Aug 09 20:29:52 Well, if the callpoints into kernel code for floating point changed, that would explain the issue. Aug 09 20:29:56 ckuethe eabi let you use both hardfloat and softfloat binaries at the same time Aug 09 20:30:08 (It would also mean an older flash/kernel might work with gllin, fwiw) Aug 09 20:31:14 welcome to running incomplete software. Aug 09 20:31:18 and hardware Aug 09 20:31:20 openmoko: 03mickey * r2676 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/pixmaps/ (. xsplash.png): artwork: add xsplash Aug 09 20:31:28 but we love it... it's fun to be adventurous Aug 09 20:32:02 From what I recall, "ABI" was some idea to be able to run one compiled codeversion on a different OS ... compile for SCO, run on Linux kind of thing. I might just be remembering wrong, though. Aug 09 20:32:46 .. Aug 09 20:32:51 ABI is a general computing term Aug 09 20:33:07 to describe the layout of executable binaries Aug 09 20:33:15 ABI is the calling interface at the binary level - it potentially lets you mix compilers from different places Aug 09 20:33:30 But I understand the issues with mismatched libraries and/or kernel versions/conventions/parameter stacks Aug 09 20:33:36 HistoryOnTheRoad: maybe you mean IBCS - Intel Binary Compatibility Standard Aug 09 20:34:21 not just layout of executables, but calling conventions too... ie. all args on the stack, or some in registers, ... that kind of thing Aug 09 20:34:37 also stack alignment Aug 09 20:34:55 and sometimes framing for exception handling Aug 09 20:34:55 any of which you get wrong, and ..... *core* Aug 09 20:34:56 ckuethe: Possibly. I didn't realize the binary was both userland and kernel in scope, though. Aug 09 20:35:09 * HistoryOnTheRoad loves coredumps Aug 09 20:35:24 SEGV writing core Aug 09 20:35:29 its possible to provide a kernel with compatibility for both EABI and OABI Aug 09 20:35:43 Especially the 300 MB firefox ones (grrrrr) Aug 09 20:37:25 The hard and soft float options seem useful... run it native hard to test, switch to soft for device ready version Aug 09 20:38:33 i'd be happy to get a simple mic -> disk recording, forget GPS, going about now :) Aug 09 20:39:08 writchie no Aug 09 20:39:49 wrichtie at it made no sense because as I said wit eabi you can run hard and softfloat binaries Aug 09 20:40:00 with oabi hard or soft float Aug 09 20:43:13 haha, might do some neo hacking in my holiday after all, just learned that a person I'll visit has two openmokos at the lab Aug 09 20:58:30 has anyone tried minimo on neo yet? dougt built it but hasn't tested yet: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/dougt/ Aug 09 20:58:31 if I change some bitbake files in the openembedded-tree - is there an option in monotone to cleanup the tree? Aug 09 21:01:11 feck me that's bigger than the OS! Aug 09 21:01:48 and mozilla's a bit of a beast Aug 09 21:02:10 khtml has a faster renderer and is good too Aug 09 21:03:08 webkit/gdk! Aug 09 21:03:28 ) Aug 09 21:03:29 isn't that the plan for the neo anyhow? Aug 09 21:03:30 :) Aug 09 21:03:40 lynx Aug 09 21:03:48 but.. safari :( Aug 09 21:04:03 doc|work: you just recommeneded khtml Aug 09 21:04:08 webkit = safari / khtml Aug 09 21:04:13 yep Aug 09 21:04:18 robtaylor: there's a slight difference, isn't there? Aug 09 21:04:24 last I heard they weren't the same Aug 09 21:04:30 doc|work: well, rendering backend Aug 09 21:04:40 doc|work: the code core is in the same repo nowadays Aug 09 21:04:59 is it? oh, ok, last I'd heard was they'd forked enough to be too different for that Aug 09 21:05:06 doc|work: there were some f**kups earlier on on apples part, but it's all cool now Aug 09 21:05:16 minimo's big, uses lots of mem, and is slow to start (at least on my windows mobile device), but using it has been a pleasure compared to mobile ie Aug 09 21:05:19 doc|work: apple hired some really good guys to sort it Aug 09 21:05:54 good Aug 09 21:06:05 heikkit: ramming your head repeatedly into a brick wall is a pleasure compared to mobile ie Aug 09 21:06:11 heh Aug 09 21:06:14 lol Aug 09 21:06:30 it's a pity gecko/mozilla didn't stay small Aug 09 21:06:45 well, like i say, webkit is lookingreally good Aug 09 21:06:48 indeed! Aug 09 21:07:03 what with that work holgar and alp have been putting in Aug 09 21:07:04 it kinda started big when all the features were implemented, but it is getting smaller afaik Aug 09 21:07:27 the problem is Mozilla Corp only really cares about windows Aug 09 21:07:35 which is a bit short sighted if you ask me Aug 09 21:07:45 but hey, thats corps for you Aug 09 21:08:12 most users on that platform Aug 09 21:08:24 thus far... Aug 09 21:08:29 * heikkit nods Aug 09 21:08:33 Phlash: well said! Aug 09 21:08:39 :D Aug 09 21:09:45 well, with ubuntu gaining traction, and linux mobile devices coming out, I'd expect a bit more resources from mozilla on linux as well Aug 09 21:10:29 and I am happy that Doug resurrected Minimo on linux - would not have happened without Openmoko I'd think Aug 09 21:18:08 the x11perf has been running now for 1,5hours and neo is getting kinda hot to touch Aug 09 21:18:24 I hope that's plugged into 500mA USB :) Aug 09 21:18:36 raynet: portable popcornmachine! Aug 09 21:19:00 Placid: it is connected to USB hub which has 2A input power so it should be enough Aug 09 21:19:09 Fatal: w00t, coffee cup warmer Aug 09 21:19:14 :D Aug 09 21:19:34 neo is reaching moderate macbook temperatures Aug 09 21:20:32 BTW who's given their Neo a name yet? Aug 09 21:21:59 Phlash: me Aug 09 21:23:24 raynet: I think mine will end up being called after a camel in a Discworld book: YouBastard Aug 09 21:28:40 how do I regenerate the Packages files in openembedded? is there a nice target for it? Aug 09 21:29:56 Phlash: heh, i'll name all my computers / devices after japanese demons/monsters. good demons for linux/unix/macs and evil ones for microsoft ones Aug 09 21:30:54 whee, found it Aug 09 21:30:58 bitbake package-index Aug 09 21:31:35 * xkr47 downloads the newest rootfs and kernel to try flashing for the 1st time ^^ Aug 09 21:31:52 :) Aug 09 21:32:41 xkr47: make sure the kernel and rootfs versions match or you'll get no modules loading Aug 09 21:32:46 raynet: that's almost like the Sharp engineer naming the various Zaurii after dog breeds Aug 09 21:32:59 hmm, how do I do that ?-) Aug 09 21:33:20 xkr47: it's part of the file name - the moko bit Aug 09 21:33:53 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin and openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 09 21:34:01 I don't see the connection.. :) Aug 09 21:34:09 SpeedEvil: is there any hope of getting WAAS out of gps chip or is this impossible? Aug 09 21:34:32 Stephmw: naming is the most important thing you can do for you computer and next thing is choosing the walllpaper image :) Aug 09 21:34:35 * xkr47 will update the wiki with all issues and suggestions he stumbles upon Aug 09 21:34:40 Phlash, care to clarify ? Aug 09 21:34:46 Writchie: classic WAAS - no. Aug 09 21:34:47 xkr47: right after kernel version (2.6.21.6) it says 'moko10', the rootfs image needs to be the same Aug 09 21:34:54 The hardware can't recieve it. Aug 09 21:35:09 Writchie: However. Downloadable WAAS, sure. Aug 09 21:35:12 raynet: steph@serene:~$ Aug 09 21:35:16 raynet: says it all :) Aug 09 21:35:23 I thought the WAAS was just a different PRN code Aug 09 21:35:32 Phlash, I understand.. but how do I check the rootfs image for that ? by mounting or from the numbers ? Aug 09 21:35:44 As I understand it, no, it's broadcast on a different freq. Aug 09 21:35:47 Stephmw: Your Neo is female? Aug 09 21:35:53 :D Aug 09 21:36:02 abraxa_: I don't have a Neo :) Aug 09 21:36:08 oh Aug 09 21:36:13 so, anyone got any more idea what the hxd8 will be? Aug 09 21:36:13 abraxa_: this is my desktop Aug 09 21:36:20 oki =3 Aug 09 21:36:30 abraxa_: and this is serene, as in peaceful :) Aug 09 21:36:34 hmmm - I thought the whole idea was to use the same frequency and same receiver. Aug 09 21:36:38 Phlash, the numbers meaning the numbers in the filename.. :) Aug 09 21:36:39 abraxa_: not Serena :) Aug 09 21:37:23 Stephmw: That's when I dust off the excuse of not being native ;D Aug 09 21:37:46 xkr47: I used the build date to guess which rootfs matched, then checked once booted by looking at /lib/modules/ Aug 09 21:38:04 abraxa_: haha, not good enough, I'm not native either :D Aug 09 21:38:12 Bummer. Aug 09 21:38:17 Phlash, ack Aug 09 21:38:21 abraxa_: been in the UK 20 years though, so I'm 2/3rd native Aug 09 21:38:27 w00t, playing nethack on neo Aug 09 21:38:29 dang, don't have jffs2 support in my desktop kernel Aug 09 21:38:39 openmoko: 03mickey * r2677 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: theming: use moko-orange for selected items Aug 09 21:39:05 it has been a while that i've had the chance to hit nethack monsters with stylus, much more rewarding than using keyboard Aug 09 21:39:18 xkr47: yup ack. On chooseopen it's the oldest rootfs that I've used, others might still have moko10 though Aug 09 21:39:34 Stephmw: I bet you still have an accent :) Aug 09 21:39:46 doc|work: you'd be wrong :) Aug 09 21:39:49 I'll see :) Aug 09 21:40:31 doc|work: I only start making mistakes after 2 sleepless nights Aug 09 21:40:59 doc|work: in a way it annoys my wife... I can't even fake a good french accent Aug 09 21:41:09 * xkr47 sobs a bit about the kernel running now that will never run again :) Aug 09 21:41:10 xkr47: at least if you're only flashing rootfs / kernel you shouldn't 'brick' it Aug 09 21:41:28 yeah, ain't touching uboot or uboot env Aug 09 21:41:38 Stephmw: heh, yeah, right. You frenchies never lose the accent :) Aug 09 21:41:46 "shouldn't" or shouldn't ?-) Aug 09 21:41:52 doc|work: so, when are you going through London again? Aug 09 21:42:06 doc|work: you could ask Tanya or Eugene as well :) Aug 09 21:42:14 Stephmw: I'm in vancouver now, I'm guessing the 18th of december during my stopover on my way home :) Aug 09 21:42:34 gaah.. you specify target by number... I need to write wrappers that do the correct things :O Aug 09 21:42:35 and after a 10 hour flight I'll be in no humour to talk to anyone :) Aug 09 21:42:37 xkr47: mine was ok after two rootfs flash runs: remember to wipe the flash from uboot each time Aug 09 21:43:11 wipe = nand erase ? Aug 09 21:43:19 yup Aug 09 21:44:29 doc|work: bah, then you'll have to depend on testimonies... or you could dig up that podcast I did with Geert all that time ago Aug 09 21:44:35 :) Aug 09 21:48:31 is the "Copy kernel into RAM" for testing out new kernels ? Aug 09 21:49:20 xkr47: if that's the bit on the Wiki about copying into RAM using uBoot, then yes Aug 09 21:49:36 using dfu-util.. Aug 09 21:49:55 dunno sorry. Aug 09 21:49:59 do I need to install a kernel module in order to use dfu-util? Aug 09 21:50:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util Aug 09 21:50:28 mellon, afaik you use dfu-util only with uboot, but I might be wrong :) Aug 09 21:52:16 Hm, had it plugged into the wrong machine. Aug 09 21:52:27 mellon: no kernel or modules needed on the target device, ah your sorted :) Aug 09 21:52:28 mellon: Kinky. Aug 09 21:52:33 heh Aug 09 21:53:04 * xkr47 is proud of his moko Aug 09 21:53:26 xkr47: I've not tried that 'Copying kernel into RAM' option, I guess you could use that, then use uBoot shell to start it before flashing it properly. Aug 09 21:53:40 mm Aug 09 21:54:09 hmm should one always use -R after flashing kernel / rootfs / splash ? Aug 09 21:54:34 or if flashing multiple ones, is it needed only after the last one ? Aug 09 21:55:21 xkr47: I used it for each partition, seems harmless and flushes everything Aug 09 21:55:44 do I need to erase the rootfs when flashing the first time? or only the kernel ? Aug 09 21:56:20 hm, the wiki says I should see a long list of stuff in DFU mode, but I only see the line for u-boot. Aug 09 21:56:34 xkr47: I erased first time, it's quick and I assume safer Aug 09 21:56:42 ok Aug 09 21:59:32 Wow, it supports S-records. I haven't seen that in a *long* time... Aug 09 21:59:47 lol Aug 09 22:00:26 lots of things do s-records Aug 09 22:00:46 Yeah, but I haven't done any serious embedded systems work in like 15 years or so. Aug 09 22:00:47 fairly good way for pushing new firmware into gps receivers Aug 09 22:00:57 heh the neo timed out on me and shut down when I didn't do anything in the u-boot menu Aug 09 22:01:09 yep Aug 09 22:01:13 xkr47: ah yes: slightly old uboot bug Aug 09 22:01:21 keep pressing Aux button Aug 09 22:01:37 it shouldn't shutdown while DFU is in progress, unless it's a really old uboot Aug 09 22:01:37 hmm now it disappeared after 3 seconds Aug 09 22:01:52 (after booting into uboot menu) Aug 09 22:02:16 now it ain't booting anymore Aug 09 22:02:40 :O Aug 09 22:03:36 I've had it connected to usb with the old kernel for an hour now at 500mA, so one would think it has charged a bit Aug 09 22:03:58 hmm it does boot the normal boot now, let's see.. Aug 09 22:04:09 xkr47: phew Aug 09 22:04:54 uboot workin again Aug 09 22:05:01 as my Neo is finally only a few 100kms away from me instead of a few 1000, I would be happy about ARM binaries in my inbox (openmoko@alech.de) - for strictly navigational purposes, of course ;-) Aug 09 22:06:09 wee now it's flashiing Aug 09 22:08:40 Phlash, hmm, the Flashing_openmoko wiki page says that erasing nand is necessary only when uploading a smaller image than the previous one.. Aug 09 22:09:03 xkr47: true, but I wasn't sure what was there already Aug 09 22:09:40 dunno, at least it's in the wiki ;) Aug 09 22:22:53 * xkr47 is surfing the menus!! Aug 09 22:23:01 cool Aug 09 22:26:21 hmm Aug 09 22:26:33 So is the UI in the .2 build just a mock-up at this point? Aug 09 22:26:39 the mouse pointer seems a bit jumpy when I keep the stylus unmoved Aug 09 22:32:43 Ooh, I have a shell on my Neo! Aug 09 22:37:08 hm, weird, no gcc... Aug 09 22:40:15 . Aug 09 22:44:21 * xkr47 just noticed the different keyboards available and the stroke recognizer Aug 09 22:51:35 lots of zombie processes Aug 09 22:52:44 haa I killed the jammed main menu by gtkterm :) Aug 09 22:53:04 there should be a kill application Aug 09 22:53:10 that would be a killer application ;-) Aug 09 22:54:21 Yeah. Considering the weight -- for a *killer* phone. Aug 09 22:54:49 whee you can rotate the display with "xrandr -o 1" Aug 09 22:55:11 and the gui manages it just fine Aug 09 22:55:12 \o/ Aug 09 22:55:21 whoa Aug 09 22:56:53 the default onscreen keyboard freaks out with the rotated display Aug 09 22:57:12 but the haxx0r keyboard layout actually gives some more buttons - home end pgup pgdn Aug 09 22:57:32 * mmazur want an invisible keyboard Aug 09 22:58:06 (analogous to vim; you pwn if you know how to use it; it only beeps at you if you don't) Aug 09 22:59:07 this gtkterm doesn't handle special characters or escape strings too well Aug 09 22:59:51 hehe current time is 2000-02-01 07:53:38 Aug 09 23:08:56 sings "Im a little moko nut as bright as bright can be....I spend all day hacking my phone because it is unlocked and free" Aug 09 23:09:10 hai moko nuts Aug 09 23:11:34 lol Aug 09 23:12:11 * xkr47 sings along :) Aug 09 23:12:44 xkr47: the stroke recogniser documentation and config is in strokes.html Aug 09 23:13:11 Admittedly, only the clinically insane can reconstruct keystrokes required from this file. Aug 09 23:13:13 where do I found out how to get the bluetooth radio up ? Aug 09 23:13:26 search bluetooth on the wiki Aug 09 23:13:28 hci_usb, bluetooth, ohci_hcd are loaded Aug 09 23:13:39 still nothing.. Aug 09 23:13:43 oh right I should turn it on! Aug 09 23:13:48 * codyl feels stupid once more Aug 09 23:15:07 SpeedEvil, ok.. where do I find that file ? Aug 09 23:15:40 find / -name strokes.html Aug 09 23:16:16 http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/full_papers/worth/worth_html/index.html Aug 09 23:16:20 is worth a look too. Aug 09 23:16:27 It explains the format - somewhat. Aug 09 23:17:13 I have not found anywhere a glyphs that it's expecting list. Aug 09 23:18:16 For example, the string '([12]*[45][78]|[12][45]+[78]?)?[78]*[4]*(1?[2][369]+|1[25][369]*)([369]+[25]+8?[147]?[258]*[369]+|[25]*8?[147]+[258]+[369]*)([369]*[58][74]+|[369]+[58][74]*)") Aug 09 23:18:17 :) Aug 09 23:18:20 clearly encodes a 'b' Aug 09 23:18:25 B rather. Aug 09 23:18:33 it's regexp alright Aug 09 23:18:52 Oh - right. Aug 09 23:18:53 is it normal that the cursor jumps around when I keep the stylus still Aug 09 23:19:01 2/3 the way down the page is the description. Aug 09 23:19:03 Yes :( Aug 09 23:19:12 list of glyphs rather Aug 09 23:22:59 strokes.html not found :P Aug 09 23:23:24 err Aug 09 23:23:28 Strokes.xml? Aug 09 23:23:34 yeah Aug 09 23:24:01 how to copy-paste.. :) Aug 09 23:26:50 copy-paste? Aug 09 23:26:58 the path that find found :) Aug 09 23:27:06 anyway, typed it already Aug 09 23:27:08 ssh into phone, use mouse :) Aug 09 23:27:11 looks like a jolly file Aug 09 23:27:17 eh, don't have usbnet working yet Aug 09 23:27:25 hmm, is this a usb 2.0 device ? Aug 09 23:27:37 vi `find / -name "Strokes.xml" Aug 09 23:27:38 no Aug 09 23:27:40 1.1 only Aug 09 23:27:43 while in uboot, it reports as 1.1, while in openmoko it reports as 2.0 Aug 09 23:27:45 It's quite easy. Aug 09 23:27:55 (in lsusb in host comp) Aug 09 23:27:57 On host. Aug 09 23:28:03 modprobe cdc_ether Aug 09 23:28:11 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Aug 09 23:28:20 don't have cdc_ether, need to compile :P Aug 09 23:28:21 route add 192.168.1.200 usb0 Aug 09 23:28:29 yeah, I saw the default route Aug 09 23:28:29 ssh 192.168.0.200 Aug 09 23:28:44 route add ? Aug 09 23:28:54 won't the netmask already add the route.. Aug 09 23:29:02 also, the ip of the phone is .202 not .200 Aug 09 23:29:03 yeah, you don't need the route add. Aug 09 23:29:11 oh - yeah. Aug 09 23:29:17 * SpeedEvil dates himself somewhat on that. Aug 09 23:29:22 2.2? diddn't do that. Aug 09 23:29:23 but you should ifconfig with a netmask. Aug 09 23:29:53 the letters on the haxx0r keyboard could be a snip bigger Aug 09 23:30:13 mellon, default 255.255.255.0 is prolly fine Aug 09 23:30:13 I found that 'xvkbd' was actually more usable. Aug 09 23:30:49 nooot found :) Aug 09 23:30:54 I basically started X, and ran fvwm on my local computer displaying on the phone. Aug 09 23:31:06 xvkbd, firefox, xsnow Aug 09 23:31:34 :) Aug 09 23:31:38 http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/ Aug 09 23:31:44 trivially configurable. Aug 09 23:32:13 Hm, phone gets rather hot when plugged in to the USB... Aug 09 23:32:42 yeah, like a regular phone you have been talking in.. Aug 09 23:32:52 Yup, except with no talking... :') Aug 09 23:32:56 SpeedEvil, guess I need the usbnet thing first :) Aug 09 23:33:02 xvkbd was also nteresting in that you can detach the numpad. Aug 09 23:33:20 wqhich admittedly isn't much use with the standard wm. Aug 09 23:33:35 lots of spam in dmesg Aug 09 23:33:37 I did find FF was _so_ much more usable than the default web-thing. Aug 09 23:33:41 syslogd Aug 09 23:33:48 it's not started for some reason Aug 09 23:33:58 if you start it, stuff ends up in /var/log/messages Aug 09 23:34:00 ff over usbnet ? Aug 09 23:34:03 which is handy. Aug 09 23:34:04 yes. Aug 09 23:34:25 I've even used it using the GPRS net on the phone. Aug 09 23:34:32 It's really not bad. Aug 09 23:34:41 With the right extensions. Aug 09 23:34:57 /etc/init.d/syslog start Aug 09 23:35:05 Starting syslogd/klogd: (null) already running. Aug 09 23:35:06 1570 Aug 09 23:35:16 odd. Aug 09 23:35:19 with me it wasn't. Aug 09 23:35:22 :) Aug 09 23:35:25 what build are you running? Aug 09 23:35:38 openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 09 23:36:04 odd - that's a little newer. Aug 09 23:36:51 heh the web browser crashed when I entered / as url Aug 09 23:37:12 It's even less stable than FF :) Aug 09 23:37:29 Though uses considerably less RAM. Aug 09 23:40:14 have you got it to open a file:// URL? I haven't. Aug 09 23:40:14 now the footer panel crashed :) Aug 09 23:40:57 hey, any of you OpenMoko guys here in SF for LinuxWorld still? Aug 09 23:45:50 if I power it off, will it switch from 500mA charging to 100mA ? Aug 09 23:46:43 No. Aug 09 23:46:54 However, if you unplug and replug, when powered off, it will. Aug 09 23:47:00 nice Aug 09 23:50:55 Presumably the power manager chip will stop charging when the battery's full, though? Aug 09 23:53:09 mellon: I'm not so sure about that under all conditions. Aug 09 23:53:10 * xkr47 wonders if it's the backlight that's heating the device up Aug 09 23:53:27 I can't explain why it tool 500ma for 8 hours Aug 09 23:53:31 hmm, so is it safe to leave the moko plugged overnight ? Aug 09 23:53:40 okk... Aug 09 23:54:42 i see no evidence that its safe to leave it plugged in as long as machine its plugged into doesn't go into sleep mode Aug 09 23:55:17 i mean that its not safe - i think its safe under all conditions Aug 09 23:56:25 the onlyl sort of bad condition is leaving it off with the gsm running. This seems to deep discharge the battery. Aug 09 23:57:01 gaah I forgot to do hwclock --systohc Aug 09 23:57:37 leave it off = leave it unplugged ? Aug 09 23:57:42 I've left my neo running, plugged into my router (which supplies it 500mA) all night for at least three nights now Aug 09 23:58:41 cool Aug 09 23:58:46 in fact my Bv3 has been plugged into it for about 48 hours straight now Aug 09 23:59:07 of course, I could be killing them slowly by doing so :-) Aug 09 23:59:12 :P Aug 09 23:59:17 them.. :) Aug 09 23:59:48 but that's all part of an alpha tester's job description - work out what can kill the device Aug 10 00:00:26 deep discharge = not even boot while usb connected? Aug 10 00:00:46 yes. Aug 10 00:01:02 It can't turn the battery charger to high rate without turning the CPU on. Aug 10 00:01:05 actually worse, many hours to reach 3.0v level Aug 10 00:01:16 Aha. Aug 10 00:01:21 grr... my phone died again (battery) Aug 10 00:01:24 * SpeedEvil is discharging ATM. Aug 10 00:01:28 possible perm. battery damage in that case too Aug 10 00:01:33 Well - no. Aug 10 00:01:34 i think <2.7v can kill it Aug 10 00:01:34 Hm, I've had my neo deep discharge while powered off, what causes that? Aug 10 00:01:48 The modem is not powered off. Aug 10 00:01:53 And maybe other stuff. Aug 10 00:02:01 pop the battery out for 10s. Aug 10 00:02:17 the modem is evil Aug 10 00:02:24 Why? Aug 10 00:02:29 does it really need to be connected directly to the battery? Aug 10 00:02:44 Well - it does use moderately high current pulses. Aug 10 00:02:49 Ah, cool. Thanks. Aug 10 00:02:51 Complicating the power switching. Aug 10 00:02:54 Doesn't the init-scripts shut down the modem? Aug 10 00:02:56 ah Aug 10 00:03:00 (perhaps I forcefully powered it off) Aug 10 00:03:02 this is not bad - it just software not ready for prime time Aug 10 00:03:05 daxxar: I don't know. Aug 10 00:03:09 daxxar, it should Aug 10 00:03:15 that doesn't mean it doesn't Aug 10 00:03:21 hmm.. does* Aug 10 00:03:21 daxxar: how's your neo? Aug 10 00:03:24 However, I can only say that powering off by picking hte 'power off' option - the modem stays powered. Aug 10 00:03:27 (in my tests) Aug 10 00:03:29 Vegar: Fine, :-) Aug 10 00:03:32 Running .2 atm Aug 10 00:03:41 Okay Aug 10 00:03:42 the gsmd init scripts need work Aug 10 00:03:44 Are there public .2 images? Aug 10 00:03:47 daxxar: screenshots Aug 10 00:03:55 SpeedEvil, i can't get it to build Aug 10 00:03:59 Vegar: It's offline, and I'm heading to bed. ;-) Aug 10 00:04:02 SpeedEvil: mickeyl released some images earlier today Aug 10 00:04:07 Ah. Aug 10 00:04:09 daxxar: meh Aug 10 00:04:09 Vegar: Poke me in privmsg, and I'll post tomorrow. Aug 10 00:04:20 I used dmitry's images Aug 10 00:04:27 What're they like? As functional as previous ones? Aug 10 00:04:35 (from http://daxxar.slask.no/om/) Aug 10 00:05:06 G'night! Aug 10 00:05:09 Can someone with a little spare cash please register neo1973.mobi now? Aug 10 00:05:16 I notice openmoko.mobi got parked Aug 10 00:05:28 .mobi? Aug 10 00:05:33 mobile Aug 10 00:06:05 Registrant Organization:Apertus Inc Aug 10 00:06:19 I would've done it, if my usual registrar had .mobi available. Aug 10 00:06:24 I cba signing up with a new one. Aug 10 00:07:44 hmm gsm icon in top bar shows full signal strength even with no sim card inserted Aug 10 00:08:21 Are you sure it's not showing no strength? Aug 10 00:08:39 Good night. :-) Aug 10 00:08:42 there are five bars next to each other Aug 10 00:08:42 SpeedEvil, done and done Aug 10 00:09:10 one could say the sim card does not affect signal strength... Aug 10 00:10:01 I imagine FIC would buy it off you :) Aug 10 00:10:17 I haven't tried GSM with no SIM in. Aug 10 00:10:41 heikkit, but I thought it has to choose antenna based on what sim you ahve Aug 10 00:10:52 or do they use each other's antennas always Aug 10 00:11:02 I don't know anything about that, just guessing Aug 10 00:11:28 SpeedEvil, i've still not confirmation i got it; but i've been charged so i expect i have it Aug 10 00:11:46 s/not/not gotten/ Aug 10 00:11:47 daMaestro meant: SpeedEvil, i've still not gotten confirmation i got it; but i've been charged so i expect i have it Aug 10 00:12:00 xkr47: given that it's supposed to be able to dial emergency services without a SIM, it makes a lot of sense Aug 10 00:12:09 xkr47: it's probably just getting the stronger signal around Aug 10 00:12:12 cesarb, good point Aug 10 00:12:18 cesarb: In some areas. Aug 10 00:12:28 Do not expect this to work in the UK. Aug 10 00:12:29 hmm hitting the power button kills applications Aug 10 00:12:31 xkr47: of course, that would be the case if the software were expected to work Aug 10 00:12:39 keeping it pressed for a few secs gives a menu Aug 10 00:12:46 xkr47: knowing its current state, the icon is probably just broken ;-) Aug 10 00:12:50 I was hoping this antenna on the outside was a GSM antenna for indoor use, but I guess it's GPS? Aug 10 00:12:57 no. Aug 10 00:13:00 GPS is outside Aug 10 00:13:04 GSM is unde the case Aug 10 00:13:10 open the back. Aug 10 00:13:12 i've received my neo Aug 10 00:13:17 Look down all the 'screwholes'. Aug 10 00:13:20 yeah, i see it. Aug 10 00:13:22 orzo, :) Aug 10 00:13:23 one has a GSM antenna socket. Aug 10 00:13:25 :) Aug 10 00:13:37 Looks like it might be tough to get an antenna onto that connector, though. Aug 10 00:13:45 some images say moko10 and some say moko11 Aug 10 00:13:53 the wiki says i want moko10 Aug 10 00:13:55 does anybody have a source for a good antenna? Aug 10 00:13:57 is that up to date? Aug 10 00:14:38 SpeedEvil: I thought emergency service dialling without a SIM was a mandatory part of the GSM spec? Aug 10 00:15:17 Nope. Aug 10 00:15:21 Well. Aug 10 00:15:24 You can dial. Aug 10 00:15:28 You don't connect though. Aug 10 00:15:37 Really? on 112 ? Aug 10 00:15:39 rwhitby: I think it's mandatory for handset to be able to do it if SIM card allows Aug 10 00:15:40 Yes. Aug 10 00:15:43 112/999 Aug 10 00:15:52 On either inactive or no SIM. Aug 10 00:16:04 i mean network allows Aug 10 00:16:34 ok, network allows I can understand. Aug 10 00:16:50 good night and thx Aug 10 00:17:11 in some places the handset originating the 112 call is assigned a temp id so that a call back can be sent from the service center Aug 10 00:17:21 SpeedEvil, ok.. got it; forwarding it to the wiki Aug 10 00:17:34 :) Aug 10 00:17:56 I wonder if FIC can point lawyers at openmoko.mobi Aug 10 00:18:40 what does the 11 or 10 mean in uimage-**-moko11-* Aug 10 00:19:10 kernel release Aug 10 00:19:49 i dont understand. i see "moko11" and "moko10" Aug 10 00:20:00 those are kernel patches? Aug 10 00:20:21 so if i just want the latest it would be moko11 ? Aug 10 00:21:43 Pick the one with the latest date, if in doubt. Aug 10 00:27:24 anyone using the om2007.2 makefile? Aug 10 00:35:06 http://iphone.mobi/ lol Aug 10 00:48:26 hmm.. the browser really likes to crash from my last build Aug 10 00:48:53 It's not especially stable even with oler. Aug 10 00:53:45 SpeedEvil, http://dpaste.com/16509/ ... Aug 10 00:53:48 any ideas? Aug 10 00:54:36 not really. Aug 10 00:55:23 do you know how to refresh gtk? Aug 10 00:55:29 i mean i've viewed the log.. it is a build error Aug 10 00:55:52 http://dpaste.com/16510/ Aug 10 00:58:02 I've not run the build. Aug 10 00:59:49 trying: make update Aug 10 00:59:54 * daMaestro reads the makefile more Aug 10 00:59:58 openmoko: 03shoragan * r2678 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Tune the touchscreen parameters to get less jitter. Aug 10 01:00:35 anyone know where i can order a mini-a to female usb a cable ? (for host on openmoko) Aug 10 01:01:50 openmoko: 03mickey * r2679 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/pixmaps/xsplash.ppm: artwork/pixmaps: add xsplash.ppm Aug 10 01:02:33 ~praise Shoragan Aug 10 01:02:33 All hail Shoragan! Aug 10 01:02:45 thanks ;) Aug 10 01:05:01 SpeedEvil: all good domains are registered Aug 10 01:05:11 .cc and .tv are still avail Aug 10 01:05:50 I want xteddy in the default image! Aug 10 01:06:09 .name is still avail Aug 10 01:07:58 less jitter? Aug 10 01:14:06 xteddy??? Aug 10 01:15:07 ~praise rwhitby Aug 10 01:15:08 All hail rwhitby! Aug 10 01:15:58 ~emulate rwhitby Aug 10 01:15:59 Well, my work here is done. Aug 10 01:16:15 heh Aug 10 01:19:25 openmoko: 03stefan * r2680 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/openmoko-today2-folders/ (ChangeLog PIM.directory Root.order): Aug 10 01:19:25 openmoko: 2007-08-10 Stefan Schmidt Aug 10 01:19:25 openmoko: Change order for the filter menu and add a PIM category. Aug 10 01:19:25 openmoko: * PIM.directory: Added. Aug 10 01:19:25 openmoko: * Root.order: Aug 10 01:29:06 openmoko: 03stefan * r2681 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Adjust some catogories Aug 10 01:47:47 good evening Aug 10 01:52:08 mickey|ccc07, how's camp? Aug 10 01:53:13 great Aug 10 01:53:17 busy busy Aug 10 01:53:20 but productive Aug 10 02:10:30 I'm hoping for great output from ccc. A working phone would be fun. Aug 10 02:12:44 openmoko: 03zecke * r2682 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (ChangeLog src/feed-selection-view.c): (log message trimmed) Aug 10 02:12:44 openmoko: 2007-08-10 Holger Hans Peter Freyther Aug 10 02:12:44 openmoko: Untested change to save some space in the initial view. Move the Aug 10 02:12:44 openmoko: update feed button from a GtkToolbar to the GtkHBox in the 'second' Aug 10 02:12:44 openmoko: row. Aug 10 02:12:49 openmoko: This saves a lot of real estate on the screen but the button has no Aug 10 02:12:51 openmoko: label violating 'Fitts Law'. Others have to decide... Aug 10 02:13:43 who is using gprs from ssh? Aug 10 02:13:52 mickey|ccc07: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts'_law Aug 10 02:14:33 interesting. Aug 10 02:14:46 but given that I'm 23h awake now, i can't follow all that stuff Aug 10 02:15:55 mickey|ccc07: http://holehan.blogspot.com/2006/07/small-steps-to-fittser-kde.html Aug 10 02:19:06 I'm just wondering.. Aug 10 02:19:12 how do you do GUI development? Aug 10 02:19:18 how do you test things? Aug 10 02:19:40 Run in Xephyr or qemu Aug 10 02:20:06 openmoko: 03alphaone * r2683 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/matchbox/theme.xml: Aug 10 02:20:06 openmoko: * Remove 'x' button in the panel. Applications are closed by pressing Aug 10 02:20:06 openmoko: the power button. (You'll need neod for that) Aug 10 02:21:43 No. Aug 10 02:21:45 oops Aug 10 02:21:47 Hm, not sure using the power button is a good idea. The problem is that it's recessed, so not easy to activate. Aug 10 02:22:10 And can be easy to double-click Aug 10 02:22:20 True. Aug 10 02:22:38 Hey, Apple has a working UI with only one button, the home button. Aug 10 02:22:53 try it, it works good Aug 10 02:23:23 Hm, I guess it's not so bad. Aug 10 02:23:36 better for right-handers Aug 10 02:23:39 the neo somehow consists only of mystery meat navigations soon Aug 10 02:23:47 once you refitted your button it has a good feel Aug 10 02:24:07 most of the buttons are not really centered as they come out of the factory Aug 10 02:24:14 For lefr-handers, they are typically holding it in the right hand, covering the button. Aug 10 02:24:16 seems the chat scripts for gprs is crashing gsmd Aug 10 02:24:16 hence they slightly get stuck Aug 10 02:24:36 jaebird: my one at least has killall gsmd Aug 10 02:24:46 does the base kit come with a guitar pick? Aug 10 02:24:53 you can't make calls and do GPRS at the same time. Aug 10 02:24:54 Vegar: yes Aug 10 02:24:57 Vegar: I got one. Aug 10 02:25:02 oh, nice Aug 10 02:25:23 SpeedEvil: are you saying that gsmd can't be running? Aug 10 02:25:25 Should be able to receive a call and have it wipe out your GPRS connection. Aug 10 02:25:26 yes. Aug 10 02:25:32 you can't. Aug 10 02:25:34 not yet. Aug 10 02:25:39 Well, right, but ultimately. Aug 10 02:25:44 That as I understand it requires multiplexing Aug 10 02:25:49 which isn't implemented yet. Aug 10 02:25:54 it's in progress. Aug 10 02:25:57 so you don't have to register? Aug 10 02:26:09 to register? Aug 10 02:26:19 net reg Aug 10 02:26:23 yes, you do. Aug 10 02:26:28 Talking about buttons... I was thinking the AUX button would be convenient to toggle the keyboard... Aug 10 02:26:38 it's _horrible_. Aug 10 02:26:43 (IMO) Aug 10 02:27:20 I think everybody with UI ideas should sit down and make their UI happen, and then make an image available with that UI, and then see what people think of it. Aug 10 02:27:40 Good UIs aren't really designed by committee. Aug 10 02:27:46 Nope. Aug 10 02:28:29 seems like i keep getting a chap challenge Aug 10 02:28:32 I mean a two phase AC, with opposite phases in each conductor Aug 10 02:28:43 jaebird: you will Aug 10 02:29:07 you need /etc/ppp/chap-secrets Aug 10 02:29:13 i have it Aug 10 02:29:15 # Secrets for authentication using CHAP Aug 10 02:29:15 # client server secret IP addresses Aug 10 02:29:15 "gprs" * "gprs" * Aug 10 02:29:19 or similar Aug 10 02:30:14 for cingular it is: "WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM" * "CINGULAR1" * Aug 10 02:30:17 jaebird, I got further with "gprs" * "gprs" * than with the username/password Aug 10 02:30:46 Are you sure that's not the APN ? Aug 10 02:31:06 apn = "wap.cingular" Aug 10 02:31:06 cingular has stupid username/password, case sensitive no less Aug 10 02:32:02 with "gprs" "gprs", I get "CHAP authentication succeeded" followed by IP assignments Aug 10 02:32:18 However, with the usb0 attached, it won't change my routing Aug 10 02:32:20 sagacis: maybe i have to eat my words... Aug 10 02:32:41 i had to use the username/password on my E2 ROKR and N800...something funny here Aug 10 02:32:52 is there another level of auth? Aug 10 02:33:02 route add default ppp0 Aug 10 02:33:05 then it just works Aug 10 02:33:15 (if ppp is connected) Aug 10 02:33:26 the point-point route stays Aug 10 02:33:27 That's what I was just typing! Aug 10 02:33:39 ah :) Aug 10 02:34:39 I have nameserver issues Aug 10 02:36:48 ok...i can ping google (by ip) Aug 10 02:37:13 500 ms pings Aug 10 02:37:46 do this all night...what else is unlimited for :) Aug 10 02:38:25 Me too! Aug 10 02:38:37 time to google for cingular nameservers Aug 10 02:39:38 opendns.com Aug 10 02:42:38 * jaebird ssh into sagacis neo and add file to root! Aug 10 02:43:49 just had a neo to neo connection over gprs! Aug 10 02:46:40 Hey! You know my password! Aug 10 02:46:41 jaebird: better than sex, wasn't it? Aug 10 02:47:46 jaebird, Yup, I got it. You should press "esc" before ":wq" to save the file! Aug 10 02:47:54 I'm on google Aug 10 02:47:59 Happy day! Aug 10 02:48:34 how? server in the middle? Aug 10 02:48:51 Most don't do inbound connections. Aug 10 02:49:15 We must be on the same subnet? Aug 10 02:49:34 OK, so now I can use the irc client I wrote on my phone.... Aug 10 02:50:33 * rwhitby wonders if this is the first neo to neo gprs connection ever ... Aug 10 02:51:20 is gprs <-> gprs "free" Aug 10 02:51:23 on-net? Aug 10 02:51:41 what provider? Aug 10 02:51:42 hoze1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 10 02:52:20 ATT, unlimited gprs Aug 10 02:53:14 did you get a sim card from another phone, or just a bare card? Aug 10 02:54:46 :here i am Aug 10 02:55:19 :) Aug 10 02:55:42 this is really hard Aug 10 02:55:42 * SpeedEvil did that a few days ago :) Aug 10 02:56:23 I cheated, and used an awk thingy to say privmsg* Aug 10 02:56:32 he was probably using a better irc than telnet Aug 10 02:57:26 netcat > telnet Aug 10 02:57:59 at least i can chat while d:m #openmoko driving to work Aug 10 02:59:21 i compiled sic, but its like using awk **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 10 02:59:57 2007