**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 11 02:59:57 2007
Aug 11 03:01:21 * sagacis is still waiting for his refurb(r0x0rz) headset from woot
Aug 11 03:01:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 697 has been created by sagacis(AT)gmail.com
Aug 11 03:01:55 <cdbot2> * * Don't generate security key pairs on every device boot
Aug 11 03:01:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=697
Aug 11 03:02:26 <sagacis> cdbot2 is a bit slow.  I did that two days ago
Aug 11 03:03:39 <Vegar> hehe
Aug 11 03:03:40 <borg_> the lists are working again
Aug 11 03:03:44 <sagacis> Cool!
Aug 11 03:03:50 <sagacis> That explainsit
Aug 11 03:03:58 <sagacis> s/explainsit/explains it
Aug 11 03:04:03 <sagacis> no spellbot
Aug 11 03:04:24 <cesarb> tset
Aug 11 03:04:28 <cesarb> s/tset/test/
Aug 11 03:04:28 <apt> cesarb meant: test
Aug 11 03:04:38 <cesarb> hm, the spellbot is working ;-)
Aug 11 03:06:27 <sagacis> Maybe the spellbot just doesn't like me
Aug 11 03:06:35 <sagacis> or spellbot can't do spaces
Aug 11 03:07:57 <cesarb> or you need the final /
Aug 11 03:08:12 <cesarb> s/you need/we need
Aug 11 03:08:18 <cesarb> see?
Aug 11 03:10:56 <dotmef> that's cool
Aug 11 03:11:08 <dotmef> s/cool/freakin cool/
Aug 11 03:11:09 <apt> dotmef meant: that's freakin cool
Aug 11 03:14:07 <sagacis> Yup.  That's my prob.  Spellbot likes directories, not files.
Aug 11 03:14:30 <dotmef> heh
Aug 11 03:15:08 <sagacis> Wow, the ml's really woke up
Aug 11 03:16:04 <cesarb> sagacis: did it cough a hairball?
Aug 11 03:17:02 <cesarb> (http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hairball.html)
Aug 11 03:21:26 <orzo> MokoMakefile seems to havfe stalled while checking bitbake out of svn
Aug 11 03:25:33 <sagacis> Somewhat of one.  
Aug 11 03:25:47 <sagacis> Sorry for the delay, I'm catching up on my ml reading
Aug 11 03:26:12 <daMaestro> sagacis, thanks.
Aug 11 03:26:18 <daMaestro> sagacis, per the help2man
Aug 11 03:26:53 <sagacis> daMaestro: de nada
Aug 11 03:28:21 <orz1>  apm doesnt seem to know when the battery is finished charging either
Aug 11 03:54:49 <Linux_Galore> the SCO case is dead and done, the judge has delivered a summary judgement, SCO doesnt own Unix
Aug 11 03:54:56 <daMaestro> yup
Aug 11 03:55:13 <Linux_Galore> neeeeeeeeeext
Aug 11 03:58:23 <Linux_Galore> it was as though a million Redmond developers cried out in pain!
Aug 11 04:05:25 <dotmef> lol
Aug 11 04:06:16 <happycube> woot!
Aug 11 04:15:38 <ferric> moop
Aug 11 04:16:54 <hozer> nooooooo.. no credit card charges yet :-<
Aug 11 04:17:05 <hozer> seems lik everyone gets a phone but me 
Aug 11 04:17:12 <hozer> s/lik/like
Aug 11 04:17:42 <borg_> :(
Aug 11 04:36:11 <dotmef> wow - the channel is dead. must subscribe to the dev list :P
Aug 11 04:55:05 <doc|home> it's usually busier but it's a friday night :)
Aug 11 05:04:10 <sagacis> Hey, the woot item looks like our headset!
Aug 11 05:04:41 <dotmef> doc - ha - true.
Aug 11 05:06:36 * dotmef is puzzled
Aug 11 05:06:55 <dotmef> sagacis: what's the woot item?
Aug 11 05:08:04 * dotmef is going where no .mef has been before by adding GnuChess to his build tree
Aug 11 05:12:04 <sagacis> http://www.woot.com
Aug 11 05:12:37 <sagacis> Ever heard of the miniOne? http://www.popsci.com/popsci/technology/e7e48a137b144110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html
Aug 11 05:13:13 <dotmef> omg
Aug 11 05:13:22 <dotmef> never seen that b4
Aug 11 05:13:30 <dotmef> it looks identical :D
Aug 11 05:14:34 <sagacis> Just saw it myself
Aug 11 05:14:51 <sagacis> I know about the HTC.  Not really an iPhone clone, just the same market space
Aug 11 05:32:29 <catron> bitplane
Aug 11 05:35:42 <sagacis> 'nite
Aug 11 06:16:28 <rtyler> hrm, so I've rebooted my host machine, and my 2007.2 device still won't show up in dfu-util :/
Aug 11 06:25:26 <blindcoder> moin
Aug 11 06:30:29 <rtyler> moinsen
Aug 11 06:33:58 <orzo> d
Aug 11 07:04:41 <Richard_> hi, what does "${@base_contains('MACHINE_FEATURES', 'kernel26','task-base-kernel26','task-base-kernel24',d)}" mean?
Aug 11 07:12:36 <rtyler> any tips on unpacking uImage*.bin onto an SD Card for booting?
Aug 11 07:27:56 <rtyler> anybody getting bad magic number errors booting from an SD Card?
Aug 11 07:28:32 <orzo> Is it unlikely that we'll be able to flash the Ti firmware to work with the nonworking att sim chips?
Aug 11 07:29:57 <orzo> how long does it take to build openmoko?
Aug 11 07:36:23 <rwhitby> orzo: reflashing TI firmware requires physical access to an openmoko employee apparently.
Aug 11 07:36:32 <rwhitby> (and the fixed firmware too of course)
Aug 11 07:36:51 <rwhitby> depending on your machine, it can take between 4 and 14 hours to build openmoko
Aug 11 07:37:41 <rtyler> oh man, flashing my device from the SD Card, this is scary as shit :P
Aug 11 07:38:36 <rwhitby> rtyler: as long as you're not touching the uboot partition, you should have no fear.
Aug 11 07:38:59 <tri_> hi
Aug 11 07:39:03 <rtyler> rwhitby: I am merely but a lowly applications developer :)
Aug 11 07:42:09 <rtyler> rwhitby: I don;t need to blow away the old environment settings :)
Aug 11 07:43:48 <orzo> i have a sim that isnt activated
Aug 11 07:43:53 <orzo> is there a way to test it?
Aug 11 07:45:23 <rtyler> orzo: define testing?
Aug 11 07:45:51 <orzo> determining that it would work if i got it activated
Aug 11 07:46:09 <orzo> and is not one that suffers from this issue: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666
Aug 11 07:48:26 <rtyler> wahoo, my phone is back online
Aug 11 07:50:24 <orzo> how do i give it AT commands?
Aug 11 07:51:14 <rtyler> orzo: USB Console :)
Aug 11 07:52:36 <orzo> well i'm sshed in
Aug 11 07:52:58 <orzo> i dont know what device the modem is or what ap to use to talk to it
Aug 11 08:05:40 <orzo> how do i detect if my laptop has bluetooth built in?
Aug 11 08:06:06 <orzo> it's an hp pavilion dv9000 and some google hits seem to indicate it would have bluetooth
Aug 11 08:06:23 <Psi> linux or windows?
Aug 11 08:06:35 <orzo> linux
Aug 11 08:07:10 <Psi> could try ..  lspci | grep -i bluetooth
Aug 11 08:07:24 <orzo> no hits
Aug 11 08:07:51 <Psi> hm..
Aug 11 08:08:35 <Psi> what about ..  dmesg | grep -i bluetooth
Aug 11 08:09:06 <orzo> hits
Aug 11 08:09:37 <Psi> yeah, there will be
Aug 11 08:09:47 <Psi> but do any look like actual devices?
Aug 11 08:10:33 <orzo> they all say RFCOMM or L2CAP or HCI
Aug 11 08:10:38 <orzo> or Core
Aug 11 08:10:53 <Psi> yeah, i get those too (no BT)
Aug 11 08:11:51 <Psi> ya need to ask someone with a little more linux knowledge than me :P
Aug 11 08:12:26 <rtyler> Psi: rm rf something ;)
Aug 11 08:13:34 * Psi shoots rtyler in the foot with a neo powered coilgun
Aug 11 08:15:00 <rtyler> phew, I'm safe, since it probably crashed as soon as you pulled the trigger :)
Aug 11 08:15:19 <orzo> hp seems to indicate it has bluetooth
Aug 11 08:15:20 <dotmef> zing-a!
Aug 11 08:15:41 <Psi> rtyler, heh
Aug 11 08:15:48 <orzo> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF06a/21675-38187-38191-38191-38191-12435946.html
Aug 11 08:21:54 <PBeck> hi
Aug 11 08:30:22 <orzo> MokoMakefile seems to download, build, download, build ...
Aug 11 08:30:49 <orzo> itd be better if it could download everything up front
Aug 11 08:32:12 <rtyler> orzo: submit a patch? ;)
Aug 11 08:36:14 <marsan> can u use a openmoko phone with any of the Windows operating systems?
Aug 11 08:36:25 <rtyler> marsan: what do you mean?
Aug 11 08:37:18 <marsan> can you sync openmoko with windows?
Aug 11 08:37:36 <orzo> hm
Aug 11 08:37:43 <orzo> i'm just realy missing info
Aug 11 08:37:45 <rtyler> marsan: you can't sync much right now on any platform ;)
Aug 11 08:37:54 <orzo> is the gsm modme a device under /dev ?
Aug 11 08:37:57 <marsan> i know..hmm..
Aug 11 08:38:03 <dotmef> rwhitby: I'm liking the MokoMakefile and your instructions. Just compiled and ran GNUchess and played against it from my machine.
Aug 11 08:38:08 <orzo> do i send AT commands to it using AT or minicom or something?
Aug 11 08:38:14 <dotmef> rwhitby: and I'm a n00b
Aug 11 08:38:20 <rtyler> marsan: if you're comfortable with .NET, I'm trying to get Mono working nicely on the device, and then a Mono-based ActiveSync style application could be possible across platforms
Aug 11 08:39:21 <dotmef> orzo: yes. use "cu -l /dev/ttySAC0"
Aug 11 08:39:50 <dotmef> orzo: or use gsmd and libgsmd-tool for a less direct method
Aug 11 08:40:20 <marsan> rtyler, no im like totaly into linux. Just woundering if the GTA02 require linux OS to sync it with a computer..
Aug 11 08:40:53 <rtyler> it definitely wouldn't methinks :)
Aug 11 08:43:49 <Jiten> marsan: the code is open, there is nothing stopping people from adding interfaces for syncing :) ... of course that depends on how open the interfaces are windows can use.
Aug 11 08:45:05 <Jiten> anyway, it's unlikely to be a problem (for long)
Aug 11 08:45:34 <rwhitby> dotmef: thx
Aug 11 08:46:54 <rtyler> anybody more or less reliably using 2007.2 images?
Aug 11 08:48:04 <mdt> whats that? my neo has two files (NVRAM[12].DAT) in root's home dir today. does anyone know why?
Aug 11 08:51:26 <mdt> why is neo's runlevel 5 by default?
Aug 11 08:56:02 <rtyler> has work begun on basic settings applications, like a System Preferences
Aug 11 09:06:03 * ScaredyCat spanks mdt
Aug 11 09:06:18 * ScaredyCat suspects mdt has been using gllin
Aug 11 09:07:55 <Basheri> 8o
Aug 11 09:11:03 <ScaredyCat> mdt: because it's a gui based device
Aug 11 09:11:22 <ScaredyCat> change it if you don't like it.. it's not as if it's hard
Aug 11 09:14:09 <mdt> ScaredyCat, thnx
Aug 11 09:14:39 <mdt> ScaredyCat, but wasn't 2 the level of choice for using gui?
Aug 11 09:15:52 <ScaredyCat> 5 is pretty normal (although I dunno on an embdded device)
Aug 11 09:16:03 <mdt> ScaredyCat, ...okay. 
Aug 11 09:16:49 <ScaredyCat> generally 2 is without networking
Aug 11 09:17:16 <mdt> ScaredyCat, hm. then debian is different... ;)
Aug 11 09:17:28 <ScaredyCat> of course... ;)
Aug 11 09:18:41 <ScaredyCat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init
Aug 11 09:19:07 <ScaredyCat> there's a lilttle table down the page, gives distro + default runllevel
Aug 11 09:20:07 <mdt> ScaredyCat, the neo is missing....
Aug 11 09:20:11 <mdt> ;)
Aug 11 09:20:24 <ScaredyCat> hehe
Aug 11 09:20:53 <Basheri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux
Aug 11 09:22:26 <ScaredyCat> debian doens't count...
Aug 11 09:22:34 <ScaredyCat> it's not a real distro
Aug 11 09:22:38 <ScaredyCat> :P
Aug 11 09:23:03 <RedDog> can anyone tell me the meaning of the openmoko logo?
Aug 11 09:25:14 <mdt> ...can anyone tell me how i can change the spash screen at startup?
Aug 11 09:25:25 <ScaredyCat> did th emailing list recover then die again?
Aug 11 09:25:32 <ScaredyCat> which one mdt?
Aug 11 09:25:40 <ScaredyCat> the very first one?
Aug 11 09:25:44 <mdt> ScaredyCat, that one that is d... yes
Aug 11 09:25:54 <mdt> is it in the slot called 'splash'?
Aug 11 09:26:11 <ScaredyCat> you need the debug board
Aug 11 09:26:29 <mdt> ScaredyCat, :( i knew that i would need that one day....
Aug 11 09:26:37 <mdt> ScaredyCat, how is that done?
Aug 11 09:27:28 <mafeu> mdt & ScaredyCat: as you are at a nand topic ...
Aug 11 09:27:34 <ScaredyCat> Boot into u-boot, halt the boot process
Aug 11 09:27:54 <ScaredyCat> With openocd, load the images into memory
Aug 11 09:27:54 <ScaredyCat>   halt
Aug 11 09:27:54 <ScaredyCat>   load_binary wherever/splash.bmp.gz 0x32000000
Aug 11 09:27:54 <ScaredyCat>   load_binary wherever/splashu.bmp.gz 0x32005000
Aug 11 09:27:54 <ScaredyCat>   resume
Aug 11 09:28:34 <mdt> ScaredyCat, so u-boot displays those images?
Aug 11 09:28:36 <ScaredyCat> see openmoko/developers/werner/splash
Aug 11 09:28:49 <mdt> ScaredyCat, and there is no way to change it without debug board...?
Aug 11 09:28:55 <mafeu> is there a known issue that after doing a 'nand erase kernel' all new tries to flash the kernel into the nand will result in 'Bad magic number'?
Aug 11 09:29:01 <ScaredyCat> well, I suspect you could
Aug 11 09:29:38 <ScaredyCat> since dfu-util flashes a specific part with the  -a switch
Aug 11 09:29:59 <ScaredyCat> but I wouldn;t try it without a debug board to recover after you balls it up
Aug 11 09:30:58 <mdt> ScaredyCat, so i need to know where the next debug board exists around here.... is there a list of geo-coords in the wiki? :D
Aug 11 09:31:10 <ScaredyCat> lol
Aug 11 09:31:17 * ScaredyCat pats his debug board
Aug 11 09:31:44 <mdt> ScaredyCat, where are u?
Aug 11 09:32:19 <ScaredyCat> part time in .nl part time in uk
Aug 11 09:33:56 <mdt> ScaredyCat, oh, nl is near... i live in duesseldorf, germany. so where in nl?
Aug 11 09:34:19 <ScaredyCat> Lelystad .....
Aug 11 09:35:10 <ScaredyCat> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lelystad,+Flevoland,+Netherlands&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=52.536273,5.476685&spn=0.763469,2.548828&z=9&iwloc=addr&om=1
Aug 11 09:35:59 <mdt> ScaredyCat, name sounds nice... and looks nice the area... 
Aug 11 09:36:23 <mdt> and isn't that far - do u mind if i come around with a burned neo? :D
Aug 11 09:36:44 <ScaredyCat> hehe...
Aug 11 09:36:54 <ScaredyCat> you mean there's no one closer ?
Aug 11 09:37:55 <ScaredyCat> btw - that bit on .nl I live on is actually the sea bed..
Aug 11 09:38:17 <ScaredyCat> ~ -5m below sea level
Aug 11 09:39:01 <mdt> ScaredyCat, don't know - i like the how is that written - isle-meer? i once drove with a bike there over the long wall 
Aug 11 09:39:27 <ScaredyCat> in the summer?
Aug 11 09:39:35 <ScaredyCat> clouds of mosquitos!
Aug 11 09:39:50 <mdt> ScaredyCat, yes. long ago - as far as i remember the part you stay on wasn there...
Aug 11 09:40:10 <ScaredyCat> >35 years ago then 
Aug 11 09:40:11 <ScaredyCat> ?
Aug 11 09:40:14 <mdt> ScaredyCat, no, no mosquito at all... too windy
Aug 11 09:40:19 <mdt> ScaredyCat, 25
Aug 11 09:42:38 <ScaredyCat> dare I say it but maps.live.com is much better than google maps for that area
Aug 11 09:42:49 <ScaredyCat> I can get 3d of my house
Aug 11 09:46:47 <mdt> ScaredyCat, wow... can u load it on the neo? 
Aug 11 09:47:26 <ScaredyCat> i think the neo might explode if i try
Aug 11 09:49:00 <mdt> :D
Aug 11 09:50:00 <mdt> ScaredyCat, i am looking for material where you can use neo's gps and load maps from the internet to display the location. google is obfuscating their stuff....
Aug 11 09:51:04 <ScaredyCat> http://cfis.savagexi.com/articles/2006/05/03/google-maps-deconstructed
Aug 11 09:52:23 <__Ace__> I was wondering how to grab that touching in C in X11..?
Aug 11 09:52:23 <aloril> __Ace__: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 11 09:55:56 <ScaredyCat> mdt: for example http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&formtype=address&latlongtype=decimal&latitude=52.0039&longitude=0.102
Aug 11 09:57:25 <mdt> does that format my firefox?
Aug 11 09:57:47 <ScaredyCat> ?
Aug 11 09:58:11 <ScaredyCat> add &zoom= then value of 1 to 13 on the end for zooming
Aug 11 09:58:45 <ScaredyCat> then you can parse the html for the image
Aug 11 09:59:41 <mdt> that's where u stay right now? ;)
Aug 11 10:00:03 <ScaredyCat> no..
Aug 11 10:00:13 <mdt> that is quiet cool...
Aug 11 10:00:17 <ScaredyCat> those were random coordinates :)
Aug 11 10:00:27 <mdt> while the maps aren't that good...
Aug 11 10:00:38 <ScaredyCat> I used them for live tracking my tomtom go
Aug 11 10:02:19 <ScaredyCat> http://automated.it/gm/wot2.php <--- I have this one that I used for recorded data...
Aug 11 10:02:21 <misc--> ohh mailing list working now
Aug 11 10:02:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 699 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net
Aug 11 10:02:55 <cdbot2> * * "direct.openmoko.com" should have a CA-issued SSL certificate
Aug 11 10:02:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=699
Aug 11 10:03:04 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 700 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de
Aug 11 10:03:05 <mdt> ScaredyCat, nice.. easy html behind. perhaps i use a proxy to parse it and give images to the neo directly... sad that gps is not working right now
Aug 11 10:03:06 <cdbot2> * * Time/Date stops in suspend
Aug 11 10:03:08 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=700
Aug 11 10:03:29 <ScaredyCat> yes.. I'd recommend htmsql 
Aug 11 10:03:33 <ScaredyCat> php class
Aug 11 10:04:01 <ScaredyCat> it's excellent
Aug 11 10:04:10 <ScaredyCat> http://www.jonasjohn.de/lab/htmlsql.htm
Aug 11 10:04:42 <ScaredyCat> select src from img where id=map 
Aug 11 10:05:24 <mdt> ScaredyCat, i use BeautifulSoup for that
Aug 11 10:05:34 <ScaredyCat> url ?
Aug 11 10:05:40 <mdt> ScaredyCat, don't like php.
Aug 11 10:05:51 <ScaredyCat> bah!
Aug 11 10:06:04 <mdt> ScaredyCat, http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/documentation.html
Aug 11 10:06:08 <ScaredyCat> htmlsql is a good reason to use php :)
Aug 11 10:06:29 <ScaredyCat> broken link
Aug 11 10:06:38 <ScaredyCat> :?
Aug 11 10:08:14 <mdt> ScaredyCat, try http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ or http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/BeautifulSoup/3.0.3/
Aug 11 10:08:39 <mdt> ScaredyCat, it's just a error-tolerant html parser with nice filter methos
Aug 11 10:08:40 <mdt> +d
Aug 11 10:08:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 698 has been created by daniel(AT)ruoso.com
Aug 11 10:08:55 <cdbot2> * * Dialer crashes just after receiving a call
Aug 11 10:08:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=698
Aug 11 10:09:18 <ScaredyCat> looks similar to htmlsql then
Aug 11 10:09:34 <ScaredyCat> only yours is crappy python 
Aug 11 10:09:35 <ScaredyCat> :P
Aug 11 10:10:53 <mdt> ScaredyCat, crappy or not i like python bedder
Aug 11 10:11:08 <squalyl> hi
Aug 11 10:11:17 <ScaredyCat> hosting python apps is harder though...
Aug 11 10:11:26 <ScaredyCat> since not all hosting services support i
Aug 11 10:11:27 <ScaredyCat> t
Aug 11 10:12:01 <squalyl> bittorrent rocks! I've set 150 kbps upstream bandwidth just for you !
Aug 11 10:12:38 <mdt> ScaredyCat, i am my hosting ;)
Aug 11 10:13:15 <mdt> ScaredyCat, and i dropped php after a long weekend of trying to get back my data which was roasted by php... no way to try php again
Aug 11 10:13:29 <rxr> why does the openmoko gta02 patchset contain yaffs2 when jffs2 is used ?
Aug 11 10:13:38 <ScaredyCat> I bet it was you, not php that did it... :)
Aug 11 10:14:39 <ScaredyCat> mind you I've just written another 20k lines in php... so errm.. I guess I like it
Aug 11 10:14:51 <mdt> ScaredyCat, seems so ;)
Aug 11 10:15:05 <mdt> ScaredyCat, a good programer even performs with php... ;)
Aug 11 10:15:46 <ScaredyCat> I didn't say I was good :P
Aug 11 10:16:10 <ScaredyCat> 20k lines of echo "hello world";
Aug 11 10:16:17 <ScaredyCat> ;)
Aug 11 10:18:35 <mdt> ScaredyCat, and did you port php to the neo already? ;)
Aug 11 10:19:04 <ScaredyCat> hehe... no.
Aug 11 10:19:22 <ScaredyCat> I'm thinking vb6 might be better :P
Aug 11 10:19:42 <mdt> ScaredyCat, nonono, .net rulez
Aug 11 10:19:57 <ScaredyCat> .net is for fishermen
Aug 11 10:43:10 <Elrond> pH5 - Hi! :-)
Aug 11 10:47:23 <pH5> hi Elrond, what is ETA until first fix? ;)
Aug 11 10:54:08 <cesarb> orzo: the bluetooth might show on lsusb, not lspci
Aug 11 10:54:25 <cesarb> (morning all)
Aug 11 10:56:23 <Stephmw> mornin'
Aug 11 11:04:27 <Elrond> pH5 - *lol*
Aug 11 11:06:33 <Linux_Galore> hmm funky menu effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tumQ-FAIkAc
Aug 11 11:09:47 <ScaredyCat> mdt: ping
Aug 11 11:11:04 <ScaredyCat> nand read.e 0x32000000 splash 0x5000
Aug 11 11:11:21 <ScaredyCat> unzip 0x32000000 0x33d00000 0x96000  <---- results in splash on screen
Aug 11 11:26:36 <barmeier> HI, my phone and speaker does nor work when accepting a phone call and 'alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore' gives me a loud beep sound on the incoming call but I cannot talk/hear anything. Does anybody has the same ?
Aug 11 11:26:50 <ScaredyCat> somone already had that idea Linux_Galore...
Aug 11 11:27:11 <ScaredyCat> barmeier: 
Aug 11 11:27:20 <ScaredyCat> run alsamixer on the neo..
Aug 11 11:27:28 <ScaredyCat> reducr to volume to about 80%
Aug 11 11:27:31 <ScaredyCat> reduce
Aug 11 11:27:34 <ScaredyCat> the
Aug 11 11:27:45 <ScaredyCat> reduce the volume to about 80%
Aug 11 11:28:45 <barmeier> is this 'alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore' neccessary or is it sufficient to run the mixer ?
Aug 11 11:29:10 <ScaredyCat> do that.. then run the mixer
Aug 11 11:29:33 <ScaredyCat> the alsactl loads defaults...
Aug 11 11:29:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 696 has been created by nosdr4g(AT)hotmail.com
Aug 11 11:29:55 <cdbot2> * * Press aux button for verbose boot
Aug 11 11:29:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=696
Aug 11 11:30:33 <barmeier> is it sufficient to reduce Headphone and PCM or should I reduce everything to 80% ?
Aug 11 11:30:47 <ScaredyCat> it's caused by feedback..
Aug 11 11:30:48 <SpeedEvil> you want microphone volume
Aug 11 11:30:53 <ScaredyCat> mic + speaker
Aug 11 11:31:27 <barmeier> ok I understand thank you.
Aug 11 11:36:16 <noon> hello
Aug 11 11:36:40 <barmeier> ok the beep is gone but I cannot hear the caller :( in alsamixer where mic select and Mic Side, are ther some docs available
Aug 11 11:54:24 <phrozen77_> ahaha
Aug 11 11:54:25 <phrozen77_> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94225
Aug 11 11:54:48 <phrozen77_> "dead areas on iphone touchscreen"
Aug 11 11:55:49 <SpeedEvil> 'dead feeling inside when you buy an iphone'.
Aug 11 11:56:29 <mmazur> You just killed a kitten.
Aug 11 11:56:40 * mjr just debated on Ubuntu with some op who wants an iphone and doesn't care about freedom or the free software community
Aug 11 11:56:50 <mjr> that was a bit depressing from an op there
Aug 11 11:56:55 <mjr> #ubuntu-offtopic, that is
Aug 11 11:56:56 <mmazur> Greedy bastard!
Aug 11 12:13:54 <ScaredyCat> mjr: ubuntu users know no better
Aug 11 12:14:12 <mjr> I do :]
Aug 11 12:14:32 <mjr> anyway, users, pfft, I'd have expected more from ubuntu community public servants
Aug 11 12:15:52 * Cap_J_L_Picard does so he stopped using ubuntu
Aug 11 12:21:36 <mdt> hm, my gsmd says: 'Setting Neo1973 temporary demo specifics...done' ...what does he mean?
Aug 11 12:29:41 <nbd> ossman: ping
Aug 11 12:29:48 <ossman> nbd, pong
Aug 11 12:29:55 <nbd> ossman: any luck with my driver?
Aug 11 12:30:05 <ossman> I'm afraid I haven't tried it yet
Aug 11 12:30:08 <nbd> ah, ok
Aug 11 12:30:10 <nbd> no problem
Aug 11 12:30:15 <ossman> I'm busy trying to get a nvidia card to play nice
Aug 11 12:31:06 <mdt> ossman, you've got an nvidia in you neo? wow..... ;)
Aug 11 12:31:13 <Psi> heh
Aug 11 12:31:35 <Psi> he made a GPIO-PCIE adapter :P
Aug 11 12:31:40 <ossman> mdt, a bit single minded in here, aren't we? ;)
Aug 11 12:32:12 <mdt> ossman, shure... impressed by a neo ;)
Aug 11 12:40:01 * Psi queues up some media
Aug 11 13:14:01 <mdt> ... :D just found a easter egg in my neo delivery. i never discovered that under the device itself was a little bag... just found it, a week after getting it ;)
Aug 11 13:15:52 <ynezz> someone found 2 batteries after a week...
Aug 11 13:18:03 <Cap_J_L_Picard> And a film showing both layers was put on youtube
Aug 11 13:19:03 <__Ace__> where the hell to I download rootstraps?
Aug 11 13:19:41 <Stephmw> ynezz: maybe they breed
Aug 11 13:26:38 <ScaredyCat> ~~.
Aug 11 13:26:39 <apt> Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture.
Aug 11 13:26:53 <ScaredyCat> shut it.
Aug 11 13:27:32 <DukeOfURL> good morning, everyone
Aug 11 13:28:06 <DukeOfURL> I left my Neo on the USB last night, and now it won't power up.  :-(
Aug 11 13:31:44 <kristian-m> DukeOfURL tryed to take out the battery?
Aug 11 13:31:55 <DukeOfURL> yup, did that
Aug 11 13:33:31 <kristian-m> does anyone know if you can do dataconnections and phone calls at the same time with umts mobiles?
Aug 11 13:34:58 <DukeOfURL> removed (T-Mobile) SIM card and it boots! 
Aug 11 13:35:16 * DukeOfURL wonders if I'm having problems with the battery connection
Aug 11 13:36:11 * DukeOfURL battery drained even thought it was on USB all night
Aug 11 13:37:06 <kristian-m> DukeOfURL do you think your sim card is brocken?
Aug 11 13:38:01 <DukeOfURL> I only get about 30sec before the screen goes black--I'm thinking battery connection problems
Aug 11 13:38:59 <kristian-m> hmm, maybe it's brocken
Aug 11 13:48:17 <mdt> kristian-m, yes, you can
Aug 11 13:48:41 <mdt> kristian-m, it needs gsm07.10, a muxer protocol
Aug 11 13:49:22 <kristian-m> DukeOfURL i don't think that the connection can break - at least not when it's that new
Aug 11 13:49:31 <kristian-m> mdt thanks
Aug 11 13:49:52 <kristian-m> DukeOfURL i would guess that the battery overcharged over night
Aug 11 13:49:58 <DukeOfURL> kristian-m: beginning to relaize that the battery itself is defective
Aug 11 13:50:03 <mdt> kristian-m, interesting question would be: can you have more than one gprs conn active ;)
Aug 11 13:50:30 <mdt> kristian-m, sometimes provider have different apn for wap, web and mms
Aug 11 13:50:30 <kristian-m> mdt hmm, at least not with one serial line to the gsm controller
Aug 11 13:50:42 <mdt> kristian-m, /muxer/
Aug 11 13:50:51 <mdt> kristian-m, u get 4 lines over one
Aug 11 13:51:23 <kristian-m> hmm - i see
Aug 11 13:52:16 <dando> hi @ all
Aug 11 13:52:36 <kristian-m> hi dando 
Aug 11 13:53:04 <dando> hi kristian
Aug 11 13:53:27 <dando> long time no see @ all
Aug 11 13:54:04 <dando> i have to show you guys something cool. (flash player required)
Aug 11 13:54:07 <dando> http://www.instructables.com/id/SBHR7VCF4WY1LUQ/
Aug 11 13:54:33 <dando> has nothing to do with mobilphone
Aug 11 13:54:44 <dando> so have fun
Aug 11 13:58:46 <dando> aber bitte nicht nachbauen
Aug 11 13:58:57 <dando> dont build this thing
Aug 11 14:00:25 <mdt> dando, wow... that really looks dangerous. 
Aug 11 14:01:40 <dando> mdt: ^^
Aug 11 14:02:22 <mdt> dando, looking for gadgets i'm happy with the neo for now...
Aug 11 14:02:39 <DukeOfURL> how can I enter ^C from the on-boaed keyboard?
Aug 11 14:02:46 <DukeOfURL> on-board
Aug 11 14:03:30 <dando> mdt: thats true.
Aug 11 14:05:06 <dando> DukeofURL: U can use the second keyboard.
Aug 11 14:05:47 <DukeOfURL> thanks
Aug 11 14:07:29 <dando> DukeofURL: there is a full-fledged qwertz Keyboard. Maybe thats the best chioce for using terminal.
Aug 11 14:08:01 <dando> the other keyboard is good for sms and so on
Aug 11 14:08:26 <DukeOfURL> ok
Aug 11 14:22:01 <Basheri> dando: That's awesome :D
Aug 11 14:22:19 <dando> Basheri: ^^
Aug 11 14:22:25 <Basheri> (the laser thingy)
Aug 11 14:22:43 <dando> :)
Aug 11 14:24:29 <AFES> дарова негры
Aug 11 14:25:21 <Basheri> ok....
Aug 11 14:25:37 <AFES> и к чему ты это сказал
Aug 11 14:29:45 <sagacis> yay! 2007.2 build completd
Aug 11 14:29:54 <orzo> if i want to download the entire wiki, how big is it?
Aug 11 14:30:13 <orzo> congrats, sagacis
Aug 11 14:31:12 <sagacis> boo! forgot to change to fic-gta01. :(
Aug 11 14:31:31 <sagacis> mickey|bbq:  bbq?  Dang, I just got up!
Aug 11 14:44:32 <RedDog> on my system om2007.2 fails to build with bitbake 1.8.6 ... seems that 1.8.6 fails by if hasattr(bb.fetch, "get_srcrev") in base.bbclass on line 920 ...
Aug 11 14:44:33 <sagacis> 2007.2 doesn't seem to have a working lib-gsmd
Aug 11 14:44:57 <RedDog> sagacis: why?
Aug 11 14:44:58 <sagacis> RedDog: Do you have enough space? (~7GB)
Aug 11 14:45:10 <RedDog> yes
Aug 11 14:45:37 <sagacis> The build process says: "NOTE: package libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED: failed"
Aug 11 14:45:51 <RedDog> that was exacly the same here...
Aug 11 14:45:53 <sagacis> It's renamed to NOT IMPLEMENTED
Aug 11 14:45:58 <RedDog> no .. 
Aug 11 14:46:28 <ScaredyCat> .2 isn't worth the effort building atm - imho
Aug 11 14:46:55 <RedDog> bitbake calls base_get_srcrev wich returns this "NOT IMPLEMENTED" value cause bb.fetch hasn't "get_srcrev" attr...
Aug 11 14:46:58 <sagacis> Looks like you are right.  .1 is working well on the phone right now, so I guess I'll leave it
Aug 11 14:47:18 <RedDog> sagacis: seems that 1.8.6 hasn't this attr ...
Aug 11 14:47:33 <RedDog> with latest bitbake from svn it builds...
Aug 11 14:47:37 <sagacis> Thanks. I hadn't dug into the logs yet
Aug 11 14:47:42 <kristian-m> i read about that at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#openmoko-libs_FTBFS
Aug 11 14:49:07 <Kensan> sagacis: if you just want to try .2 you could simply flash prebuilt images (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Pre-built_snapshot_images)
Aug 11 14:49:15 <sagacis> Thanks, both.
Aug 11 14:50:02 <sagacis> I was trying to build my own.  I had previously installed a snapshot.... Took it off because enough stuff didn't wokr.
Aug 11 14:50:24 <sagacis> I guess I'll just be patient.  I don't want to spend time fixing things that campers are fixing.
Aug 11 14:53:03 <Kensan> Speaking of duplicate work: what's the latest on integrating upstart?
Aug 11 15:17:53 <barmeier> are there any docs on how to use libgsmd around except the source code ?
Aug 11 15:19:00 <kristian-m> barmeier i guess you know the wikipage... - hmm
Aug 11 15:20:30 <barmeier> hehe, I thought of a more in depth view :). But it is ok to read the libgsmd-tool sources if nothing else is available.
Aug 11 15:20:32 <kristian-m> barmeier and there is http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gsm/README.txt
Aug 11 15:21:05 <kristian-m> barmeier and http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gsm/doc/functions.txt
Aug 11 15:22:24 <barmeier> yeas I already read this, but it is a bit abstract. I hoped for a more cookbook like doc.
Aug 11 15:23:08 <barmeier> But I think the devs are coding all day and night in the stage of development
Aug 11 15:36:57 <sagacis_neo> very quiet today
Aug 11 15:40:47 <orzo> can the neo tell if it plugs into a computer or a hub?
Aug 11 15:41:02 <orzo> i'd like to have it set up different routing tables depending
Aug 11 15:42:05 <orzo> that way it can work with a host that will act as a gateway for it to the rest of the network
Aug 11 15:42:20 <orzo> (including for 192.168.0.* ips)
Aug 11 15:44:27 <sagacis_neo> orzo, i dont know, but why diff routes?
Aug 11 15:44:54 <orzo> well
Aug 11 15:44:57 <sagacis_neo> sorry slow 2 type on neo
Aug 11 15:45:18 <orzo> the default route is bad for me normally
Aug 11 15:45:30 <orzo> if i connect to my linux box, i'd like the neo to use the router to have internet
Aug 11 15:45:43 <orzo> but the router would be unreachable without changing the route table
Aug 11 15:46:01 <sagacis_neo> id like to auto detect gprs
Aug 11 15:46:04 <orzo> but on a hub, it's a different story
Aug 11 15:46:26 <raster> the neo's default route is192.168... something
Aug 11 15:46:26 <sagacis_neo> i del my route and re-add ppp0
Aug 11 15:46:40 <raster> as long as you dont use that ip for another interface on your box
Aug 11 15:46:57 <orzo> ya the default route uses the rule route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev usb0
Aug 11 15:46:57 <raster> or its on a subnet connected to your host
Aug 11 15:47:08 <raster> all u need is to set up ip masq/forwarding
Aug 11 15:47:29 <raster> personally - i am happy
Aug 11 15:47:29 <sagacis_neo> you could change neo`s ip
Aug 11 15:47:34 <raster> my lan's network is 10.xxx
Aug 11 15:47:39 <orzo> but it is better for me to use route add -host 192.168.0.200 dev usb0, along with route add -net default gw 192.168.0.200
Aug 11 15:47:41 <raster> so it works just fine
Aug 11 15:48:20 <sagacis_neo> mine lan is 192.168.2.x so im happy too
Aug 11 15:48:47 <orzo> well my lan is 192.168.0.x
Aug 11 15:51:03 <sagacis_neo> orzo, doesnt your whole life revolve around neo? redyour lan! :)
Aug 11 15:51:15 <orzo> heh
Aug 11 15:51:52 <sagacis_neo> 10.* is surely the best... class a
Aug 11 15:52:28 <sagacis_neo> when is chaos ocer?
Aug 11 15:52:39 <sagacis_neo> s/ocer/over/
Aug 11 15:52:39 <apt> sagacis_neo meant: when is chaos over?
Aug 11 15:52:58 <sagacis_neo> thx spellbot
Aug 11 15:53:04 <Basheri> yeh, NAT's great when you have many computers
Aug 11 15:55:15 <orzo> hm
Aug 11 15:55:22 <orzo> can the neo mount nfs
Aug 11 15:55:40 <orzo> maybe that would be a good way to go for syncing music directories
Aug 11 15:56:35 <Basheri> with nfs over wlan <3
Aug 11 15:57:20 <defer> i can't see why it wouldn't be able to, as long as the kernel is compiled allowing it
Aug 11 15:58:45 <sagacis_neo> my plan is to pop the sd card and syc directly
Aug 11 15:59:48 <sagacis_neo> right now, neo`s a better music player than a phone
Aug 11 16:01:05 <cesarb> sagacis_neo: given that all the chips needed for playing music are fully documented, it's not that much of a surprise ;-)
Aug 11 16:02:17 <sagacis_neo> is anyone else dimming the scr?  im using 2600
Aug 11 16:03:38 <orzo> maybe unison would be better for syncing
Aug 11 16:03:56 <orzo> so you can download to the neo or to the computer and let unison sort it out
Aug 11 16:09:22 * arw_ hello
Aug 11 16:12:12 <mdt> did someone successful build btscanner (using mokomakefile/bitbaker)?
Aug 11 16:26:52 <DukeOfURL> is it possible to manually put the Neo in sleep mode?
Aug 11 16:28:22 <pH5> mdt: yes, for an ipaq though.
Aug 11 16:28:36 <pH5> DukeOfURL: like echo mem > /sys/power/state?
Aug 11 16:28:43 <ScaredyCat> anyone connected their debug board yet? 
Aug 11 16:29:19 <mdt> pH5, just got it up & running... bugs in .bb and configure file
Aug 11 16:29:39 <sagacis_neo> sleep = halt & pop out battery
Aug 11 16:30:05 <pH5> sagacis_neo: :)
Aug 11 16:35:53 <pH5> mdt: do you have patches to fix the issues, or did you edit the files in place like me?
Aug 11 16:36:08 <mdt> i edit in place...
Aug 11 16:36:08 <ScaredyCat> :/
Aug 11 16:36:16 <mdt> it's nothing special...
Aug 11 16:36:29 <mdt> bb is missing the dependency on libxml2
Aug 11 16:36:51 <mdt> configure sets lots of -W options that the arm gcc does not understand - i just removed all
Aug 11 16:39:37 <pH5> hm.. it built just fine for me, but there was a /usr/local prefix that ended up in the xml config file.
Aug 11 16:45:23 <xkr47> yo.. which kernel options do I need to get usb networking going? CONFIG_USB_USBNET and CONFIG_USB_NET_CDC_SUBSET ?
Aug 11 16:45:58 * xkr47 bangs head in wall and reads irc log instead
Aug 11 16:47:16 <xkr47> CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER ?
Aug 11 16:47:59 <pH5> xkr47: yes
Aug 11 16:48:12 <xkr47> CONFIG_USB_USBNET + CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER ?
Aug 11 16:48:20 <pH5> all three
Aug 11 16:48:28 <xkr47> okay (updating wiki)
Aug 11 16:49:05 <pH5> $ lsmod | grep 18440
Aug 11 16:49:09 <pH5> usbnet                 18440  2 cdc_subset,cdc_ether
Aug 11 16:49:16 <xkr47> acknowledge
Aug 11 16:49:36 <anrp> you know the size by heart? D:
Aug 11 16:49:52 <pH5> anrp: of course ;)
Aug 11 16:50:08 <xkr47> ;)
Aug 11 16:52:44 <emre_> greetings, how can I submit a patch?
Aug 11 16:53:22 <Kensan> emre_: ML or bugzilla
Aug 11 16:54:00 <emre_> should i first discuss about my changes? i.e., I'm planning to make the openmoko-today shortcut buttons configurable via a text file.
Aug 11 16:54:14 <emre_> or should i just go ahead do it and submit it?
Aug 11 16:55:04 <Kensan> emre_: you would probably submit to the apps-ml explain your patch and the reasoning. 
Aug 11 16:55:19 <emre_> hmm. thanks.
Aug 11 16:56:40 <emre_> and one more question, what's the right way to compile my changes. i guess the mokomakefile is not the best way?
Aug 11 16:58:05 <DukeOfURL> in libgsmd-tool, I'm getting "registration denied" from the "R" command.
Aug 11 16:58:17 <DukeOfURL> it's a Cingular SIM card
Aug 11 16:58:27 <DukeOfURL> does anyone have any information about this?
Aug 11 16:59:25 <happycube> yeah there's info on the wiki
Aug 11 16:59:31 <happycube> newer cingular/at&t cards don't work :(
Aug 11 16:59:50 <DukeOfURL> this one is pretty ond, 2-3 yr
Aug 11 17:08:26 <rxr> DukeOfURL: bug 666
Aug 11 17:08:39 <DukeOfURL> ok
Aug 11 17:09:06 <rxr> DukeOfURL: my 2006 SIM wroks, my secondary 2007 one doesn't
Aug 11 17:09:28 <DukeOfURL> Now the Cingular SIM won't work in the original phone (RAZR)--it's asking for a subsidy code!
Aug 11 17:09:40 <DukeOfURL> wtf?
Aug 11 17:13:32 <thomasg> is there already a known reason for the AT&T/Cingular problem?
Aug 11 17:14:16 <orzo> the wiki indicates its an issue with the Ti firmware
Aug 11 17:15:18 <xkr47> can you forward X from openmoko to a desktop computer by ssh ?
Aug 11 17:15:32 <xkr47> or is it stupid, and one should use X directly ?
Aug 11 17:16:09 <mjr> yes, using -R
Aug 11 17:16:10 <orzo> you mean ssh to a desktop and letting gui aps there appear on the neo?
Aug 11 17:16:12 <pH5> xkr47: depends. it's probably safe to assume that there's nobody eavesdropping on your usb connection.
Aug 11 17:16:17 <pH5> but bt on otoh..
Aug 11 17:16:22 <mjr> mostly though I'd just use X directly
Aug 11 17:16:33 <mjr> oh yeah, point on bt though
Aug 11 17:16:42 <DukeOfURL>      With the T-Mobile pre-paid SIM, libgsmd-tool says it "Can't connect tp gsmd"
Aug 11 17:16:44 <xkr47> mjr, doesn't X require some additional authentication fiddling in addition to the port forward ?
Aug 11 17:17:05 <mjr> xhost +foo
Aug 11 17:17:11 <xkr47> hehe..
Aug 11 17:17:19 <mjr> (of course means that you'll trust the whole host, but usually okay for this)
Aug 11 17:17:36 <orzo> i just use ssh -X to forward
Aug 11 17:18:10 <mjr> the dropbear client doesn't have -X
Aug 11 17:18:18 <mjr> the server supports forwarding, so sshing to the neo it works
Aug 11 17:19:26 <xkr47> yeah..
Aug 11 17:19:58 <xkr47> weeh, it works
Aug 11 17:21:38 <sagacis_neo>   
Aug 11 17:24:26 <sagacis_neo> im at walmart - does the belkin zen charging kit do 500ma?
Aug 11 17:24:50 * sagacis_neo needs a web browser that works
Aug 11 17:26:08 <sagacis_neo> nevermind - box says 5v @ 1 amp
Aug 11 17:26:24 <Dmitry_Platonov> what's status of GSM 07.10 implementation in openmoko?
Aug 11 17:26:45 <sagacis_neo> is that safe?
Aug 11 17:28:38 <Dmitry_Platonov> sagacis_neo, it depends on how charging circuit is done in neo - possibly, safe.
Aug 11 17:29:57 <sagacis_neo> found a schosche kit w/o usb cable - 500ma car & home
Aug 11 17:30:57 <sagacis_neo> now i need more cables
Aug 11 17:34:28 <doc|home> anyone in .ca know where the hell fido put their data plans?
Aug 11 17:34:33 <doc|home> (on fido.ca)
Aug 11 17:34:34 <DukeOfURL> The makefile complains that it can't find glibc v2.4 (I'm using 2.5-10).  Is this a problem?
Aug 11 17:35:24 <doc|home> nevermind, found it
Aug 11 17:35:36 <doc|home> $12 per MB. fuck
Aug 11 17:35:42 <doc|home> pardon my french
Aug 11 17:38:17 <ScaredyCat> :/
Aug 11 17:38:25 * ScaredyCat appears to have fecked neo
Aug 11 17:42:55 <Dmitry_Platonov> ScaredyCat, too much messing with u-boot?
Aug 11 17:43:05 <ScaredyCat> ya
Aug 11 17:43:07 <ScaredyCat> :(
Aug 11 17:43:59 <ScaredyCat> I can't get the neo to do anyhting...
Aug 11 17:44:42 <sannes> Not even lay still on your desk?
Aug 11 17:45:15 <anrp> damn vibrator D:
Aug 11 17:45:21 <sannes> hehe
Aug 11 17:46:20 <sagacis_neo> i turned on the vib one day while unplugged...
Aug 11 17:47:04 <sagacis_neo> couldnt type cuz vibes - had to run & usbnet to turn off
Aug 11 17:47:34 <sagacis_neo> batt
Aug 11 17:47:49 <sagacis_neo> oops wrong window
Aug 11 17:48:25 <sagacis_neo> 3842 v after 2 hrs w/gprs
Aug 11 17:48:31 <emre_> Folks, I've made some changes to the openmoko-today application. and with the moko makefile typed make build-package-openmoko-today. Then installed the ipkg file from the moko/build/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t directory to the phone. But i can't see the effect. The date of the ipkg file seems correct, what may be wrong?
Aug 11 17:52:19 <xkr47> yo gotta love openmoko :)  http://slashbox.net/~xkr47/tmp/openmoko/dscf4619b.jpg
Aug 11 17:53:01 <xkr47> (sorry for the pervert blue gtk theme I have on my desktop, from which I'm running the plot program over usbnet)
Aug 11 17:55:58 <ScaredyCat> what's the proper method for flashing u-boot ?
Aug 11 17:56:30 <cjb> dfu?
Aug 11 17:56:59 <ScaredyCat> I cna't get htat far
Aug 11 17:57:13 <ScaredyCat> I need to flash it with the debug board or somehing
Aug 11 17:58:33 <anrp> time for jtag D:
Aug 11 17:58:46 <ScaredyCat> > load_image /home/moko/u-boot.bin 0x32000000
Aug 11 17:58:47 <ScaredyCat> 203460 byte written at address 0x32000000
Aug 11 17:58:47 <ScaredyCat> downloaded 203460 byte in 12s 421780us
Aug 11 17:58:58 <anrp> er
Aug 11 17:59:06 <ScaredyCat> so I hav the uboot image in memory... but I can't get it onto the neo...
Aug 11 18:00:32 <anrp> what memory?
Aug 11 18:02:15 <ScaredyCat> does the debug board have ram 
Aug 11 18:02:27 <anrp> no ~_~
Aug 11 18:02:36 <ScaredyCat> then i geuss it's the neo
Aug 11 18:03:30 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: isn't the next step to tell the CPU to jump to the image?
Aug 11 18:04:11 <anrp> yeah
Aug 11 18:04:20 <anrp> once you have uboot running out of ram you can reset the nand
Aug 11 18:06:09 <ScaredyCat> yes, but that;s where I'm haveing trouble
Aug 11 18:06:27 <anrp> cant get it running you mean?
Aug 11 18:07:13 <ScaredyCat> yes
Aug 11 18:08:18 <anrp> hm
Aug 11 18:08:41 <anrp> what program did you use to dl it to memory
Aug 11 18:09:00 <ScaredyCat> I'm using the debug board + openocd 
Aug 11 18:09:20 <ScaredyCat> fire up ocd, reset halt
Aug 11 18:09:32 <ScaredyCat> load_image file address
Aug 11 18:09:37 <mbuf> what does the amp here refer to, "Up the 'Amp right' volume to hear the speaker on both ears" 
Aug 11 18:09:59 <mbuf> taken from, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM
Aug 11 18:12:31 <anrp> resume 0x32000000 .. hold down aux
Aug 11 18:12:45 <anrp> i think
Aug 11 18:12:48 <anrp> i havent used openocd yet
Aug 11 18:12:52 * anrp bricks the neo to try
Aug 11 18:13:06 <xkr47> lool.. I'm running matchbox-stroke on my desktop X :D
Aug 11 18:16:22 <ScaredyCat> didn't seem to do much anrp :(
Aug 11 18:17:06 <anrp> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_JTAG_to_boot_from_RAM
Aug 11 18:17:08 <anrp> try those
Aug 11 18:18:03 <anrp> i forgot, most arm uses a double bootloader to use nand
Aug 11 18:18:04 <mbuf> has anyone done a call manually?
Aug 11 18:19:18 <ScaredyCat> what's in foo.bin?
Aug 11 18:19:48 <sagacis> mbuf: How manual?
Aug 11 18:20:04 <anrp> sdram initializer
Aug 11 18:20:13 <anrp> arm core starts with no memory
Aug 11 18:20:32 <W00tomgbb> The built of 2007.2 I just installed on my Moko doesn't ask for my PIN... I suspect that's also the reason why it doesn't connect to the GSM net. Are there 2007.2 binaries that do ask for a PIN? Or is there an easy way to enter it manually and make GSM work?
Aug 11 18:21:12 <W00tomgbb> Should probably call the phone Neo, not Moko...
Aug 11 18:21:16 <mbuf> sagacis, from cu -l
Aug 11 18:21:17 <sagacis> see teh wiki
Aug 11 18:21:25 <pH5> W00tomgbb: you can enter AT+CPIN=? and AT+CPIN="1234" directly with libgsmd-tool --mode atcmd
Aug 11 18:21:27 <sagacis> mbuf, sure.  Works fine.
Aug 11 18:22:05 <mbuf> sagacis, can you step me through it; i am lost in the part where it says, "Up the "Amp right" volume to hear the speaker on both ears,"
Aug 11 18:22:24 <mbuf> sagacis, AT+CPIN has been entered, AT+CIMI works; able to list networks
Aug 11 18:23:02 <ScaredyCat> anrp: where be it
Aug 11 18:23:42 <anrp> uh.. should be part of u-boot?
Aug 11 18:24:09 <pH5> mbuf: if you open alsamixer on the console, you'll see both "Amp Left" and "Amp Right" volume controls in the Playback section
Aug 11 18:24:29 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: in the same directory as the uboot image
Aug 11 18:24:40 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: probably build/tmp/deploy/images
Aug 11 18:24:45 <mbuf> pH5, ahh ok
Aug 11 18:25:00 <anrp> s/SpeedEvil/ScaredyCat/g'
Aug 11 18:25:04 <anrp> D:
Aug 11 18:25:17 <cesarb> oops
Aug 11 18:25:24 <cesarb> wrong tab autocomplete :D
Aug 11 18:25:51 <W00tomgbb> pH5: Says "Can't connect to gsmd"
Aug 11 18:26:38 <ScaredyCat> anrp: lowlevel ... penny dropped :)
Aug 11 18:27:49 <ScaredyCat> din't work
Aug 11 18:28:27 <rxr> the .2 images do not start gsmd on my side either
Aug 11 18:28:27 <Placid> pH5: how playable was FreeCiv on the Neo?
Aug 11 18:29:52 <ScaredyCat> "At this point, the display backlight gets bright and we see the following familiar prompt on the serial console:"
Aug 11 18:29:57 <ScaredyCat> does not happen
Aug 11 18:32:00 <anrp> did it hit the breakpoint?
Aug 11 18:34:02 <sagacis> mbuf, sorry, off buying usb cables
Aug 11 18:34:39 <mbuf> sagacis, couldn't hear any sound on the earplugs, it did dial 
Aug 11 18:34:54 <mbuf> how do i choose the + on the dialer
Aug 11 18:34:59 <ScaredyCat> anrp: yes
Aug 11 18:36:15 <ScaredyCat> http://www.pastebin.ca/653719
Aug 11 18:36:31 <sagacis> mbuf, did you get the alsa state fixed?  I have a handset state on my wiki:talk page that works for the handset (not earplugs)
Aug 11 18:37:09 <mbuf> sagacis, you mean this one, wget http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/gsmheadset.working.state, this i did
Aug 11 18:38:23 <anrp> maybe load_binary
Aug 11 18:38:25 <anrp> instead of load_image
Aug 11 18:38:41 <sagacis> mbuf, nope.  That didn't work for me
Aug 11 18:39:03 <sagacis> mbuf, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Sagacis
Aug 11 18:39:22 <sagacis> mbuf, there's also one on bugzilla #681 that should work
Aug 11 18:40:57 <mbuf> sagacis, thanks
Aug 11 18:41:23 <W00tomgbb> Whooo, I finally made my first call! No audio but still awesome. :)
Aug 11 18:41:46 <ScaredyCat> just says 
Aug 11 18:41:47 <ScaredyCat> > resume
Aug 11 18:41:47 <ScaredyCat> Target 0 resumed
Aug 11 18:41:52 <ScaredyCat> and notheing
Aug 11 18:42:30 <anrp> when you did load_binary uboot.bin instead of load_Iamge?
Aug 11 18:42:32 <anrp> *image
Aug 11 18:42:51 <ScaredyCat> yes..
Aug 11 18:42:58 <anrp> i'd be suspicious of your u-boot binary then
Aug 11 18:43:04 <anrp> try using one of the official ones ~_~
Aug 11 18:43:07 <ScaredyCat> it's an official one
Aug 11 18:43:10 <anrp> it is?
Aug 11 18:43:12 <anrp> then...
Aug 11 18:43:14 <anrp> ...
Aug 11 18:43:20 <anrp> i can't really help any more ~_~
Aug 11 18:43:41 <anrp> maybe it needs a special u-boot
Aug 11 18:44:30 <anrp> since the sdram is already initialized
Aug 11 18:44:36 <mbuf> how do i press the + on the dialer GUI?
Aug 11 18:44:41 <anrp> the only other thing i could say is try from a cold start to do it
Aug 11 18:44:56 <anrp> hold down zero?
Aug 11 18:45:34 <mbuf> anrp that doesn't work
Aug 11 18:45:49 <anrp> you got me then ~_~
Aug 11 18:46:25 <defer> mbuf: you can replace + with two 0
Aug 11 18:46:29 <defer> according to gsm specs
Aug 11 18:47:40 <orzo> what's the driver for the touchscreen?
Aug 11 18:50:23 <sagacis> at what point does the battery get too low and the system shut down?
Aug 11 18:50:29 <mbuf> defer, that works, thanks, i am able to make the call, but, not able to hear any sound, used sagacis working.state file
Aug 11 18:51:06 <defer> mbuf: can't help you with that, i don't own a neo or know anything about openmoko, i'm just here looking around
Aug 11 18:52:02 <sagacis> mbuf, are you using the handset or the headphones?
Aug 11 18:52:10 * ScaredyCat starts sobbing
Aug 11 18:52:35 * sagacis pats ScaredyCat on the back and reminds him the GTA02 is coming out soon, and he'll want to upgrade anyway...
Aug 11 18:54:23 <xkr47> pH5, for me it seems that cdc_ether is enough.. it does not autoload the other cdc module..
Aug 11 18:55:52 <pH5> xkr47: right, it still works here after rmmod cdc_subset. I guess that was loaded for another device.
Aug 11 18:56:35 <xkr47> *updating wiki*
Aug 11 18:59:12 <omgbbqman> How do I power off 2007.2?!
Aug 11 18:59:12 <aloril> omgbbqman: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 11 19:02:11 <sagacis_neo> omgbbqman halt in terminal
Aug 11 19:03:28 <orzo> how come i dont see a xorg.conf?
Aug 11 19:04:57 <pH5> orzo: because the X server is kdrive
Aug 11 19:05:13 <orzo> oh
Aug 11 19:05:20 <orzo> where is the timezone config stored?
Aug 11 19:05:33 <orzo> how do i change it from UTC ?
Aug 11 19:06:27 <ScaredyCat> anrp: can you suggest a likely candidate who my be able to help... 
Aug 11 19:06:37 <ScaredyCat> mickey|bbq perhaps ?
Aug 11 19:10:54 <pH5> orzo: TZ environment variable?
Aug 11 19:11:18 <orzo> ok
Aug 11 19:11:31 <orzo> but thats not really good if i want to build a gui for changing the time zone
Aug 11 19:11:51 <orzo> since i wouldnt want to restart everything
Aug 11 19:11:56 <SpeedEvil> terminal > vi /etc/profil ?
Aug 11 19:12:03 <SpeedEvil> What more GUI do you want :)
Aug 11 19:12:57 <orzo> this is a phone and it is likely to go on flights and change time zones and such frequently
Aug 11 19:13:14 <orzo> it shouldnt have to reboot 
Aug 11 19:14:51 <xkr47> lool, now I have Master Of Orion running remotely :D
Aug 11 19:15:05 <pH5> xkr47: call again if you have it running natively ;)
Aug 11 19:15:09 <ScaredyCat> it should use the gps to set tz automatically
Aug 11 19:15:11 <mbuf> sagacis, works! i just called my boss ... lol
Aug 11 19:15:11 <xkr47> sure :D
Aug 11 19:15:43 <orzo> ya
Aug 11 19:15:43 <mbuf> sagacis, i am using an old build, so the dialer didn't work, and i did it manually, your working.state works
Aug 11 19:16:30 <orzo> what would the gps daemon do to set a system wide timezone change?
Aug 11 19:17:46 <ScaredyCat> it would read GPZDA
Aug 11 19:17:52 <ScaredyCat> get tz, set clock
Aug 11 19:18:08 <ScaredyCat> obviously you'd want the option to disable it
Aug 11 19:18:22 <ScaredyCat> bbiab... I'm off to cry some more
Aug 11 19:18:44 <sagacis_neo> yay! 
Aug 11 19:18:48 <sagacis_neo> i 
Aug 11 19:18:56 <mbuf> been speaking on the Neo for 15 minutes, and it gets a little warm to be placed close to the ears, has anyone experienced it?
Aug 11 19:20:05 <sagacis_neo> i know my state wrx cuz i use it.  maybe ill  post a patch, but i didnt me it as a patch...
Aug 11 19:20:38 <sagacis_neo> i used the mixer and stored
Aug 11 19:49:16 <superman_scott> is there a support channel for openmoko?
Aug 11 19:49:34 <mjr> this is pretty much it
Aug 11 19:49:45 <superman_scott> ok i have an easy question then :-D
Aug 11 19:49:51 <superman_scott> drained my battery on my fone
Aug 11 19:49:58 <superman_scott> how do i get it back up ?
Aug 11 19:50:02 <Stephmw> superman_scott: welcome to OMA... OpenMoko Anonymous... 
Aug 11 19:50:04 <SpeedEvil> Unplug USB.
Aug 11 19:50:08 <SpeedEvil> Open back of phone.
Aug 11 19:50:12 <SpeedEvil> Pop battery out.
Aug 11 19:50:16 <SpeedEvil> wait 10s.
Aug 11 19:50:17 <Stephmw> superman_scott: we don't help you with your addiction, we encourage it :D
Aug 11 19:50:22 <SpeedEvil> put battery back in.
Aug 11 19:50:24 <xkr47> has anybody tried the usb port in host mode ?
Aug 11 19:50:29 <SpeedEvil> Put USB cable in.
Aug 11 19:50:35 <SpeedEvil> Wait 5 min.
Aug 11 19:50:38 <mjr> xkr47, apparently no driver support yet
Aug 11 19:50:45 <SpeedEvil> xkr47: patch is not in yet.
Aug 11 19:50:50 <xkr47> ok
Aug 11 19:50:56 <superman_scott> SpeedEvil thanks givin that a go
Aug 11 19:50:57 <anrp> i prefer the shotgun approach
Aug 11 19:51:08 * xkr47 is now running mwm remotely ;-)
Aug 11 19:51:10 <SpeedEvil> superman_scott: the problem is that it may have the phone on.
Aug 11 19:51:13 <anrp> go to your car, hook up two leads to the battery, charge should take 10 seconds or so
Aug 11 19:51:15 * SpeedEvil used fvwm.
Aug 11 19:51:17 * anrp coughs
Aug 11 19:51:20 <SpeedEvil> Works quite well.
Aug 11 19:51:35 <xkr47> I got 20 fps when catting files to /dev/fb0 in a bash while loop :D
Aug 11 19:51:46 <anrp> i got 30fps on video D:
Aug 11 19:51:51 <xkr47> cool
Aug 11 19:52:11 <anrp> http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/mplayer-arm920t-try4
Aug 11 19:52:11 <xkr47> yeah I guess spawning 20 processes a second and opening the fb0 every time takes some time :)
Aug 11 19:52:15 <SpeedEvil> The fun code to write is a hyper-optimised rotator.
Aug 11 19:52:16 <anrp> if you want to play stuff
Aug 11 19:52:52 <mjr> anrp, 2007 or 2007-2? (I believe the ABI was changed?)
Aug 11 19:53:07 <anrp> if you have an eabi, mplayer-eabi in the same dir
Aug 11 19:53:16 <anrp> try4 is oabi
Aug 11 19:53:21 * xkr47 downloads
Aug 11 19:53:35 <mjr> ack, I believe I'll try it
Aug 11 19:53:38 <anrp> they're statically linked so they'll work on pretty much any armv4t
Aug 11 19:53:55 <anrp> or above
Aug 11 19:53:56 <SpeedEvil> anrp: Silly question. Did you keep the mencoder?
Aug 11 19:54:03 <anrp> i .. think so
Aug 11 19:54:05 <anrp> probably not for eabi
Aug 11 19:54:07 * anrp looks
Aug 11 19:54:34 <xkr47> WOOOT
Aug 11 19:54:37 * xkr47 is watching movies
Aug 11 19:54:41 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 11 19:55:29 <anrp> i don't think i did, but that's easily rebuildable
Aug 11 19:55:35 * anrp has 3 toolchains now ~_~
Aug 11 19:55:49 <xkr47> 4 fps :O
Aug 11 19:56:13 <xkr47> it had to scale it down
Aug 11 19:56:51 <mjr> hmh, the 2007-2 image doesn't mount the sd card
Aug 11 19:56:59 <xkr47> for me it does
Aug 11 19:57:05 <mjr> no device node
Aug 11 19:57:07 <xkr47> but I have problems accessing it - io error
Aug 11 19:57:43 <mjr> so there
Aug 11 19:57:52 <mjr> modprobing was required
Aug 11 19:58:05 <xkr47> anrp, is that using fb0 ?
Aug 11 19:58:08 <anrp> it is
Aug 11 19:58:16 <anrp> so it will fight with x unless you kill x first
Aug 11 19:58:23 <xkr47> that's no problem :)
Aug 11 19:58:43 <xkr47> is there a way to rotate the pic 90 degrees ?
Aug 11 19:58:46 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
Aug 11 19:58:52 <xkr47> in fb0.. 
Aug 11 19:58:53 <xkr47> :)
Aug 11 19:58:53 <SpeedEvil> -vf rotate 90
Aug 11 19:58:55 <xkr47> or mplayer
Aug 11 19:58:56 <SpeedEvil> _slow_.
Aug 11 19:58:57 <xkr47> that's slooow
Aug 11 19:58:57 <SpeedEvil> No.
Aug 11 19:59:01 <ScaredyCat> is there a simple way to resent the env vars for the bootloader ?
Aug 11 19:59:04 <SpeedEvil> There is no hardware.
Aug 11 19:59:09 <xkr47> thx
Aug 11 19:59:10 <ScaredyCat> reset
Aug 11 19:59:17 <anrp> simple? not really
Aug 11 19:59:18 <SpeedEvil> And no way to (yet) turn to QVGA mode.
Aug 11 19:59:24 <anrp> you can zero out the partition
Aug 11 19:59:36 <ScaredyCat> and it'll use defaults?
Aug 11 19:59:37 <anrp> mtdblock1 iirc
Aug 11 19:59:45 <anrp> well it'll dump you to console
Aug 11 19:59:47 <anrp> and use defaults
Aug 11 20:00:06 <ScaredyCat> from openocd?
Aug 11 20:00:17 <anrp> mm i think openocd allows nand programming
Aug 11 20:00:37 <ScaredyCat> yeah, the 'nand' command has no help at all
Aug 11 20:00:57 <ScaredyCat> nand    no help available
Aug 11 20:01:03 <ScaredyCat> useful :)
Aug 11 20:01:16 <anrp> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sjf2410-linux
Aug 11 20:01:26 <anrp> not sure if that can use the debug board tho
Aug 11 20:04:05 <xkr47> anrp, hmm audio playback seems to have some problems with some files
Aug 11 20:04:16 <anrp> try -afm libmad
Aug 11 20:04:22 <anrp> the mp3 decoder picked by default is wrong
Aug 11 20:05:31 <xkr47> fixed :)
Aug 11 20:06:15 <xkr47> can one switch graphics modes someway ?
Aug 11 20:06:24 <SpeedEvil> no.
Aug 11 20:06:27 <SpeedEvil> Not yet.
Aug 11 20:06:40 <SpeedEvil> The display supports QVGA - but that is not supported yet
Aug 11 20:06:46 <ScaredyCat> anrp: doesn't look like it does
Aug 11 20:06:59 <xkr47> SpeedEvil, the fb driver ?
Aug 11 20:07:07 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 11 20:07:08 <SpeedEvil> no
Aug 11 20:07:17 <SpeedEvil> the LCD itself can be switched into a QVGA mode.
Aug 11 20:07:32 <SpeedEvil> The video hardware on the s3 can too.
Aug 11 20:07:42 <SpeedEvil> The software to do this isn't there.
Aug 11 20:08:35 <anrp> SpeedEvil: http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/mencoder-arm920t-try4
Aug 11 20:08:43 <anrp> you're crazy for wanting to try it, but... 
Aug 11 20:08:50 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 11 20:08:54 <xkr47> we're all crazy!
Aug 11 20:09:02 <anrp> qvga mode can work, i got it going on monday
Aug 11 20:09:03 <xkr47> so.. the kernel fb driver does not support it yet..
Aug 11 20:09:09 <anrp> however there's a lot of roughness
Aug 11 20:09:10 <xkr47> nice
Aug 11 20:13:27 <anrp> http://atocha.mit.edu/~anrp/neo_neo/ <- qvga video D:
Aug 11 20:13:56 <anrp> http://atocha.mit.edu/~anrp/neo_neo/pics/html/img_1373.html <- what it looks like when it's almost working
Aug 11 20:14:21 <anrp> there's something strange about the framebuffer addresses in the kernel that i made
Aug 11 20:14:33 <SpeedEvil> How?
Aug 11 20:14:36 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 11 20:14:45 <SpeedEvil> And what happens when you try mplayer on it.
Aug 11 20:14:57 <anrp> it only works if the framebuffer is 640x480, and it shows the top left corner of the actual framebuffer
Aug 11 20:15:08 <anrp> if the framebuffer is 320x240, garbage shows up
Aug 11 20:15:09 <anrp> however!
Aug 11 20:15:15 <anrp> /dev/fb0 works
Aug 11 20:15:19 <doc|home> man, what's with the sideways images? :)
Aug 11 20:15:22 <anrp> its just that the kernel doesn't use it
Aug 11 20:15:40 <anrp> i.e. the console doesn't show up but i can dump crap into /dev/fb0 and that works fine
Aug 11 20:15:49 <anrp> ... except for mplayer (maybe read/write is fine but not mmap)
Aug 11 20:16:57 <anrp> there's a simple solution to sideways images, it involves some aerobics though D:
Aug 11 20:17:01 <anrp> upside down is a bit harder
Aug 11 20:18:27 <snw> I was also wondering bout sideways images. Any idea if that little baby will have the gravity thing or something similiar to the iPhone that when you rotate the device it also gets the photo or whatever in a sideway display?
Aug 11 20:18:44 <anrp> gta02 will have the accel -> a future yes
Aug 11 20:18:46 <mjr> *yawn*
Aug 11 20:18:47 <anrp> for now, no
Aug 11 20:18:53 <snw> okay
Aug 11 20:19:02 <doc|home> anrp: did you have to encode the movie to get it to play on the phone?
Aug 11 20:19:06 <anrp> no
Aug 11 20:19:11 <doc|home> nice!
Aug 11 20:19:14 <anrp> that's that RL_...avi file in the zaurus/mplayer dir
Aug 11 20:19:15 <xkr47> snw, you can run "xrandr -o 1" in the terminal to rotate the display
Aug 11 20:19:44 <anrp> http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi
Aug 11 20:19:55 <snw> xkr47 - I know but I was wondering if GTA02 would have something to automatically do such a thing :o
Aug 11 20:20:02 <anrp> played off of mmc (although it was probably cached in ram by that point)
Aug 11 20:20:06 <doc|home> ah, so it had been reencoded already?
Aug 11 20:20:08 <SpeedEvil> the accel hardware does rotates.
Aug 11 20:20:17 <anrp> i didn't
Aug 11 20:20:22 <anrp> i found it somewhere, a 320x240 trailer
Aug 11 20:20:36 <anrp> 640x480 is really pushing it even for just decoding
Aug 11 20:20:37 <xkr47> snw, k :)
Aug 11 20:20:39 <doc|home> 320x240 isn't standard (large screen) format
Aug 11 20:20:39 <anrp> due to memory pressure
Aug 11 20:20:48 <doc|home> yep, that's what I was thinking
Aug 11 20:20:53 <SpeedEvil> VCD is around 320*240
Aug 11 20:20:59 <mjr> youtube vids have sync problems with that mplayer but are otherwise ok...
Aug 11 20:20:59 <doc|home> hmm
Aug 11 20:21:12 <SpeedEvil> -framedrop makes them largely work.
Aug 11 20:21:35 <mjr> only it seems to drop a lot more frames than it'd really need to
Aug 11 20:21:41 <SpeedEvil> indeed.
Aug 11 20:21:54 <anrp> what audio decoder?
Aug 11 20:22:08 <Elrond> BTW: Was the usbnet for the neo and windows fixed by now?
Aug 11 20:22:45 <anrp> and if qvga gets seamlessly integrated, then videos will be scaled by the lcm
Aug 11 20:22:59 <anrp> so 320x240 fullscreen doesn't impose memory pressure
Aug 11 20:23:10 <SpeedEvil> It still hurts to rotate it.
Aug 11 20:23:20 <SpeedEvil> Someone needs to do a cache-optimal rotator.
Aug 11 20:23:32 <anrp> that's going to be pretty hard...
Aug 11 20:23:42 <mjr> ...and the mplayer binary doesn't play mpeg1 :I
Aug 11 20:23:46 <anrp> huh?
Aug 11 20:23:48 <SpeedEvil> Yes, it does.
Aug 11 20:23:51 <mjr> which would mostly be the one to shoot for
Aug 11 20:24:04 <mjr> Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale...
Aug 11 20:24:04 <mjr> Opening video filter: [scale]
Aug 11 20:24:04 <mjr> The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
Aug 11 20:24:06 <xkr47> mkdir ~/.mplayer ; echo 'afm = libmad' > ~/.mplayer/config
Aug 11 20:24:23 <anrp> -vo fb
Aug 11 20:24:26 <anrp> mpegpes won't work
Aug 11 20:24:31 <anrp> er fbdev
Aug 11 20:24:51 <mjr> yes fbdev
Aug 11 20:24:55 <SpeedEvil> -vo fbdev2 then -vo fbdev next invocation sometimes seems to help
Aug 11 20:25:03 <SpeedEvil> have you killed Xfbdev?
Aug 11 20:25:08 <anrp> i think that was only needed for the mplayer-opt-fm, SpeedEvil 
Aug 11 20:25:14 <SpeedEvil> ah
Aug 11 20:25:15 <mjr> I have
Aug 11 20:25:17 <SpeedEvil> possibly
Aug 11 20:27:33 <anrp> uh oh, a kde user D:
Aug 11 20:28:27 * SpeedEvil ponders,
Aug 11 20:28:50 <SpeedEvil> It should be possible to hack the codec to produce prerotated output in most cases.
Aug 11 20:28:58 <anrp> if it's block based
Aug 11 20:29:00 <anrp> possibly
Aug 11 20:29:06 <anrp> that.. would be one hell of a hack to the codec though
Aug 11 20:29:17 <xkr47> :)
Aug 11 20:29:22 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Aug 11 20:29:28 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - Yeah, should be doable for any codec. ;o)
Aug 11 20:29:31 <SpeedEvil> It would be 'free' though.
Aug 11 20:29:37 <xkr47> if only the lcd module supported rotating :)
Aug 11 20:29:37 <SpeedEvil> In terms of decode power.
Aug 11 20:29:57 <anrp> well, you'd lose a bit of cache locality
Aug 11 20:29:58 <SpeedEvil> It does - but only in VGA.
Aug 11 20:30:01 <anrp> not that much though
Aug 11 20:30:08 <anrp> huh?
Aug 11 20:30:20 <SpeedEvil> Pick up neo, rotate 90 degrees, place down.
Aug 11 20:30:33 <anrp> too much work
Aug 11 20:30:38 * anrp mounts it on a servo
Aug 11 20:30:52 <SpeedEvil> Is there a way to get mencoder to spit out supported codecs?
Aug 11 20:31:22 <anrp> mm
Aug 11 20:31:44 <SpeedEvil> nvm, I can just try them all in current manual.
Aug 11 20:31:59 <anrp> mplayer -vf help | grep ffmpeg
Aug 11 20:32:04 <anrp> er -vc help
Aug 11 20:32:11 <anrp> that shows the decoders, encoders would be a subset
Aug 11 20:32:35 <SpeedEvil> hmm.
Aug 11 20:32:53 <mdt> i didn't get the beginning, but - you are viewing a video on a neo with mplayer?
Aug 11 20:33:01 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Aug 11 20:33:03 <pH5> has anybody already tried to run mplayer with oprofile or something like that?
Aug 11 20:33:05 <mdt> wow..
Aug 11 20:33:14 <SpeedEvil> It's not so much oprofile that's the problem.
Aug 11 20:33:22 <mjr> just can't get the eabi binary to play mpeg-1 back
Aug 11 20:33:24 <SpeedEvil> The problem is that rotation is an expensive operation.
Aug 11 20:33:31 <SpeedEvil> mjr: 'works for me'.
Aug 11 20:33:35 <anrp> eabi D:
Aug 11 20:33:38 <xkr47>  heh -vo xv didn't cut it :)
Aug 11 20:33:52 <anrp> pastebin the full output of mplayer mjr ?
Aug 11 20:33:55 <anrp> and the commandline
Aug 11 20:34:38 <mdt> SpeedEvil, what do i need to try? is there a wiki?
Aug 11 20:34:55 <SpeedEvil> You don't need to try anything.
Aug 11 20:35:08 <mjr> http://pastebin.ca/653837
Aug 11 20:35:14 <SpeedEvil> look in the directory mentioned above for a binary of mplayer
Aug 11 20:35:28 <SpeedEvil> then simply mplayer -vo fbdev foo 
Aug 11 20:35:30 <anrp> er
Aug 11 20:35:33 <anrp> wait, so there's no video ?
Aug 11 20:35:36 <mjr> what the, the video decoder is mpegpes?
Aug 11 20:35:36 <SpeedEvil> after killing Xfbdev
Aug 11 20:35:55 <anrp> it tries mpegpes first
Aug 11 20:35:59 <SpeedEvil> I'm pretty sure the hardware doesn't support mpeg decoding :)
Aug 11 20:36:01 <anrp> since that would passthrough to a hardware decoder
Aug 11 20:36:07 <mjr> yes, video is a no-show, apparently because it doesn't want to decode it
Aug 11 20:36:10 <mjr> how do I tell it to?
Aug 11 20:36:16 <anrp> it is, though...
Aug 11 20:36:24 <SpeedEvil> you have added -vo fbdev?
Aug 11 20:36:25 <anrp> try fbdev2
Aug 11 20:36:33 <SpeedEvil> what size is this?
Aug 11 20:36:38 <mjr> (by the way, have I yet said that mplayer sucks rocks?)
Aug 11 20:36:39 <anrp> 352 x 240
Aug 11 20:36:55 <anrp> it does, but it is The Player(tm) on linux, sadly
Aug 11 20:37:06 <mjr> fbdev2 puts the screen full of static and flashes it
Aug 11 20:37:15 <mjr> the static is static though
Aug 11 20:37:27 <mjr> I use it only if other players don't play something
Aug 11 20:37:38 <anrp> afaict, the first run of mplayer on that pastebin is doing the full decode
Aug 11 20:37:54 <anrp> if it's not making it to the screen... could be something with eabi, but i kind of doubt it
Aug 11 20:38:05 <anrp> try mplayer -vo fbdev -v -v -v -v file.mpg &> output.mpg
Aug 11 20:38:07 <anrp> then paste again?
Aug 11 20:38:15 <anrp> er not .mpg, lol
Aug 11 20:38:16 <anrp> .log
Aug 11 20:41:15 <mjr> http://mjr.iki.fi/tmp/mp.log
Aug 11 20:42:43 <anrp> it definately sees your screen
Aug 11 20:42:50 <anrp> does cat /dev/zero > /dev/fb0 blank your screen?
Aug 11 20:43:06 <mjr> better, mplayer plays non-mpeg1 files fine
Aug 11 20:43:11 <anrp> ??
Aug 11 20:43:19 <borg_> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41634
Aug 11 20:43:31 <mjr> I said it plays non-mpeg1 files fine :]
Aug 11 20:43:39 <mjr> well, at least as fine as is to be expected
Aug 11 20:43:57 <mjr> and yes I tried a few mpeg-1 files
Aug 11 20:44:05 <anrp> and they all don't work?
Aug 11 20:44:21 <anrp> maybe libmpeg2 doesn't like eabi
Aug 11 20:44:25 <anrp> i wouldn't rule it out...
Aug 11 20:44:35 <anrp> you could try -vfm ffmpeg to try the lavc mpeg1 decoder
Aug 11 20:44:41 <mjr> mpeg2 doesn't work either, now that I tried one
Aug 11 20:45:09 <mjr> now _there's_ my magic switch
Aug 11 20:45:50 <anrp> i think libmpeg2 is supposed to be a few hairs faster though
Aug 11 20:45:53 <anrp> wonder why it hangs?
Aug 11 20:46:12 <mjr> yes, this does seem slowed than people have advertised mpeg-1 playing to be
Aug 11 20:46:40 <anrp> you can probably try the oabi mplayer, kernels should have a compatibility mode unless its explicitly turned off
Aug 11 20:46:45 <mjr> not untenable though
Aug 11 20:49:36 <anrp> huh actually
Aug 11 20:49:41 <anrp> on my machine libmpeg2 is a bit slower
Aug 11 20:49:48 * anrp slightly interested
Aug 11 20:50:07 * SpeedEvil is benching.
Aug 11 20:53:15 * SpeedEvil giggles.
Aug 11 20:53:25 * SpeedEvil is reencoding video to h.263 on the neo.
Aug 11 20:53:32 <SpeedEvil> And rotating at the same time.
Aug 11 20:53:44 <SpeedEvil> About 5FPS@QVGA.
Aug 11 20:54:13 <anrp> you're crazy, i say!
Aug 11 20:54:26 <anrp> ffmpeg does have mpeg1 encoders as well
Aug 11 20:54:45 <anrp> and h264 at the other extreme...
Aug 11 20:54:52 <anrp> i think it encodes to wmv1 too
Aug 11 20:54:57 <SpeedEvil> I just told it to encode 20s of a given video into all the codecs I could find.
Aug 11 20:55:14 <SpeedEvil> ljpeg is the current loser on size :)
Aug 11 20:55:23 <anrp> what, not rawvideo?
Aug 11 20:55:27 <anrp> must be pretty terrible...
Aug 11 20:55:48 <SpeedEvil> Well - I left out rawvideo. That'd be silly.
Aug 11 20:55:56 <anrp> oh, ok
Aug 11 20:56:10 <anrp> its theoretically possible to have a compressed something come out larger than the original
Aug 11 20:56:17 <anrp> if you're exceedingly unlucky you might have such a file
Aug 11 20:59:28 <anrp> huh, 320x240 mpeg1 uses 50% cpu for me for codec+vo
Aug 11 20:59:48 <doc|home> hmmm, so you could double that with video acceleration?
Aug 11 20:59:56 <anrp> not double
Aug 11 21:00:02 <mjr> mm, it was scaling 352x240->352x262, now I forced to play at native aspect
Aug 11 21:00:06 <doc|home> or does memory become the bottleneck?
Aug 11 21:00:09 <anrp> maybe get an extra 20% off
Aug 11 21:00:12 <mjr> a bit snappier...
Aug 11 21:00:17 <anrp> since you don't have to do colorspace conversion
Aug 11 21:00:25 <anrp> if you actually figure out the idct hw, could be a lot faster
Aug 11 21:00:50 <doc|home> me personally? erm, I'm washing my hair?
Aug 11 21:01:03 <anrp> yes, you personally
Aug 11 21:01:07 <anrp> stop twiddling the bits
Aug 11 21:01:09 <anrp> it'll be faster!
Aug 11 21:01:10 * doc|home gets the shampoo
Aug 11 21:01:50 <doc|home> but even then it'd be 80% max, right? so is it memory that's the problem then?
Aug 11 21:02:03 <anrp> memory bandwidth is somewhat limited
Aug 11 21:02:06 <anrp> basically, i don't know
Aug 11 21:02:08 <mjr> well, anyway, seems the GTA01 is well-enough equipped to play prerotated qvga mpeg1/something else light, which is pretty much good enough for me
Aug 11 21:02:10 <anrp> without hardwire i can't say
Aug 11 21:02:26 * anrp the unknowing foo
Aug 11 21:02:32 <SpeedEvil> Memory bandwidth isn't that bad.
Aug 11 21:02:38 <SpeedEvil> In theory it's 600Mb/s.
Aug 11 21:02:57 <SpeedEvil> If it's used appropriately with not wasting cache locality.
Aug 11 21:03:10 <doc|home> mjr: oh, and gta02 goes from 266mhx to 400mhz
Aug 11 21:03:17 <doc|home> *Mhz
Aug 11 21:03:19 <anrp> zomg fast D:
Aug 11 21:03:23 <mjr> yes it does
Aug 11 21:03:25 <doc|home> faster! :)
Aug 11 21:03:32 <anrp> supaa speed!@
Aug 11 21:03:35 <doc|home> so it's going to be <<50%
Aug 11 21:03:45 <anrp> and has opengl!
Aug 11 21:03:54 <xkr47> anrp, you should put up some wiki page for mplayer :)
Aug 11 21:03:54 <doc|home> really? schweet
Aug 11 21:04:01 <jgm> Don't suppose that OM2007.2 is now the default build with mokomakefile?
Aug 11 21:04:04 <anrp> sadly if the schedule is anything like what gta01 was, they won't get it out before 08 :/
Aug 11 21:04:07 * anrp hopes otherwise
Aug 11 21:04:18 <mjr> well, the chipset will support opengles; hopefully we'll get _some_ driver support as well...
Aug 11 21:04:50 <mjr> (that is, will support opengles features in hw)
Aug 11 21:04:55 <anrp> we will have to rely on the fix team for any hardware accel on the smedia chip, though
Aug 11 21:05:01 <anrp> since docs are unavailable
Aug 11 21:05:04 <anrp> *fix
Aug 11 21:05:05 <anrp> *fic
Aug 11 21:05:07 <anrp> ~_~
Aug 11 21:05:08 <apt> :/
Aug 11 21:05:08 <mjr> indeed
Aug 11 21:05:22 <xkr47> in fic we trust
Aug 11 21:05:22 <ScaredyCat> wtF
Aug 11 21:05:33 <anrp> huh ffmpeg mpeg1 is 0.3s faster 
Aug 11 21:05:36 <ScaredyCat> anrp: it just booted
Aug 11 21:05:43 <ScaredyCat> I did nothing
Aug 11 21:05:51 <anrp> 64.78s vs 64.12s
Aug 11 21:05:54 <anrp> what D:
Aug 11 21:06:02 <anrp> i love that kind of bug
Aug 11 21:06:09 <anrp> er 0.6s
Aug 11 21:06:33 * mjr ponders cutting some random piece of semidurable plastic at home to stick on the Neo's screen untill he can get a proper protector
Aug 11 21:06:39 <ScaredyCat> a 5 hour 'glitch;
Aug 11 21:06:43 <anrp> what about the plastic thing it came with?
Aug 11 21:06:45 <anrp> i left that on
Aug 11 21:06:54 <anrp> vinyl ftw
Aug 11 21:06:55 <mjr> anrp, yeah, me too for now, but it's getting... bad
Aug 11 21:07:03 <anrp> it was dirty though
Aug 11 21:07:13 <SpeedEvil> ebay!
Aug 11 21:07:18 <anrp> i actually left it on by mistake when i took it apart
Aug 11 21:07:22 <anrp> so now its behind the bezel
Aug 11 21:07:23 <anrp> oops ~_~;;
Aug 11 21:07:35 * ScaredyCat bangs head on table..
Aug 11 21:07:36 <SpeedEvil> You can dig it out with a sharp axe.
Aug 11 21:07:42 * ScaredyCat no understandy
Aug 11 21:07:42 <anrp> or a sledgehammer
Aug 11 21:08:01 <anrp> well ill probably take it apart at some point
Aug 11 21:08:09 <anrp> to hook up the debug board
Aug 11 21:08:18 <mjr> I was thinking of installing a protecting cover behind the bezel too
Aug 11 21:08:20 <anrp> i didn't get it for nothing! by golly, i will brick it somehow!
Aug 11 21:08:24 <mjr> though not the original one
Aug 11 21:08:44 <anrp> i did lose the flash image
Aug 11 21:08:50 <anrp> linux kernel image != splash image
Aug 11 21:08:52 <ScaredyCat> ok, so I have no splash 
Aug 11 21:09:03 <anrp> that's on partition 4
Aug 11 21:09:18 <ScaredyCat> not any more :)
Aug 11 21:09:24 <anrp> but i don't know where to find the actual image
Aug 11 21:09:27 * anrp prods channel
Aug 11 21:09:36 <ScaredyCat> splash?
Aug 11 21:09:42 <anrp> the openmoko logo
Aug 11 21:09:50 <ScaredyCat> ahh easy
Aug 11 21:09:52 <SpeedEvil> splash images come from japan generally.
Aug 11 21:09:53 <mdt> you removed it? how?
Aug 11 21:10:03 <anrp> by flashing a linux kernel over it
Aug 11 21:10:10 <mdt> i thought of replacing it...
Aug 11 21:10:12 <ScaredyCat> wget http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/c/c2/System_boot.png
Aug 11 21:10:16 <anrp> by mistake
Aug 11 21:10:19 <anrp> does uboot read png?
Aug 11 21:10:22 <mdt> oh... how does a linux kernel look? :D
Aug 11 21:10:28 <anrp> very black
Aug 11 21:10:38 <ScaredyCat> uboot reads bmp
Aug 11 21:10:39 <SpeedEvil> mdt cat uImage >/dev/fb0
Aug 11 21:10:40 <mdt> anrp, interesting :D
Aug 11 21:10:48 <anrp> oh alright
Aug 11 21:10:50 * anrp tries
Aug 11 21:10:59 <mdt> SpeedEvil, ?
Aug 11 21:11:10 <ScaredyCat> anrp: just saying, that's what got me into trouble 
Aug 11 21:11:28 <ScaredyCat> look at openmoko/developers/werner/splash
Aug 11 21:11:31 <mdt> so if i dfu - write to the slot named splash i replace the splash image?
Aug 11 21:11:45 <ScaredyCat> no
Aug 11 21:11:46 <SpeedEvil> anrp: what were you doing with playing with the framebuffer hardware? I'm wondering about large virtual screens.
Aug 11 21:11:52 <ScaredyCat> you need 2 images
Aug 11 21:12:28 <mdt> ScaredyCat, :D 2? what for?
Aug 11 21:12:29 <ScaredyCat> well, i guess it's not compulsory..
Aug 11 21:12:37 <ScaredyCat> the lil tux
Aug 11 21:12:58 <ScaredyCat> I guess you can do without
Aug 11 21:13:13 <ScaredyCat> but my neo boots agin now...
Aug 11 21:13:18 <ScaredyCat> so hey wtf
Aug 11 21:13:42 <anrp> the tux is inside the kernel itself
Aug 11 21:13:48 * SpeedEvil ponders a dancing tux.
Aug 11 21:14:00 <mjr> (oo, 2007-2 announces itself over zeroconf
Aug 11 21:14:11 <ScaredyCat> anrp: did u look at werner's stuff
Aug 11 21:14:24 <anrp> werner? not yet
Aug 11 21:14:32 <ScaredyCat> look at openmoko/developers/werner/splash
Aug 11 21:14:35 <anrp> as for the fb, i haven't tried anything really
Aug 11 21:14:46 <anrp> the kernel driver doesn't support the lcd hardware scrolling, SpeedEvil 
Aug 11 21:14:59 <anrp> it could but right now it doesn't, just sets it up for the beginning of the fb
Aug 11 21:15:14 <SpeedEvil> ah.
Aug 11 21:15:33 <SpeedEvil> It would be nice for stuff like big maps.
Aug 11 21:15:48 <anrp> it would be a bit odd though to coordinate it with x
Aug 11 21:16:10 <anrp> you could make a pseudo-Xfbdev that understood how to map a virtual screen size on to the s3c hw
Aug 11 21:16:12 <SpeedEvil> X would prolly need to drive it.
Aug 11 21:16:13 <anrp> i guess...
Aug 11 21:16:24 <SpeedEvil> X has done virtual screens forever.
Aug 11 21:16:46 <anrp> indeed, but not that often used
Aug 11 21:16:56 * SpeedEvil uses them quite often on lappies.
Aug 11 21:16:56 <anrp> man i wish i had a datasheet for the lcm
Aug 11 21:17:07 <SpeedEvil> generally to give more hotizontal space.
Aug 11 21:19:31 <anrp> i've always filed it away with "horizontal scrolling = bad" but that's probably cause i used macs a long time ago
Aug 11 21:20:10 <doc|home> virtual screens rock
Aug 11 21:20:26 <doc|home> er, no, I'm thinking virtual desktops
Aug 11 21:20:33 * doc|home shuts up and does something else
Aug 11 21:23:21 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Aug 11 21:23:37 <anrp> annoying
Aug 11 21:23:52 <anrp> the shipped Xfbdev refuses to run on a 240x320 screen
Aug 11 21:24:13 <SpeedEvil> h263p is only 6% slower than mpeg1
Aug 11 21:24:26 <anrp> you haven't turned on all the options
Aug 11 21:24:39 <SpeedEvil> What options?
Aug 11 21:24:54 <anrp> better motion estimation, qbel, gmc, etc
Aug 11 21:24:57 <anrp> *qpel
Aug 11 21:25:06 <SpeedEvil> I mean decoding
Aug 11 21:25:07 <anrp> you don't want em though since they slow down decode
Aug 11 21:25:12 <SpeedEvil> ah
Aug 11 21:25:22 <anrp> they give better quality for smaller files
Aug 11 21:25:24 <mjr> hmm, at least once the GTA02 will come, what with wifi and all, will have to make arrangements to stream live TV to it when bandwidth available...
Aug 11 21:26:04 <mjr> (from my home box with its DVB receivers, of course)
Aug 11 21:26:16 <SpeedEvil> Most cluster around 10 and 11 seconds.
Aug 11 21:26:38 <SpeedEvil> excluding ffv, and ljpeg
Aug 11 21:26:39 <anrp> anything that looks like MPEG has a large amount of common implementation in lavc
Aug 11 21:26:45 <anrp> which is why it supports so many of them
Aug 11 21:26:49 <SpeedEvil> which are out at 40s+
Aug 11 21:27:11 <anrp> so, mpeg1, mpeg2, msmpeg4, h263, h264, wmv
Aug 11 21:27:14 <anrp> share a lot of code
Aug 11 21:27:32 <anrp> wmv is probably the least common
Aug 11 21:29:30 <SpeedEvil> wmv1 was out at 12s, wmv2 not enabled
Aug 11 21:30:07 <pH5> strange. on my phone -vo x11 -fs seems to be faster than -vo fbdev when rotating with -vf rotate=90
Aug 11 21:30:39 <SpeedEvil> maybe it has a non pessimal rotate
Aug 11 21:31:03 <anrp> x11 is enabled ??
Aug 11 21:32:27 <SpeedEvil> doesn't seem so here
Aug 11 21:32:50 <anrp> not on mine 
Aug 11 21:32:55 <anrp> you sure its actually using x11?
Aug 11 21:32:59 <SpeedEvil> maybe a corrupt download.
Aug 11 21:33:10 <anrp> that would be a very interesting corruption
Aug 11 21:33:14 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 11 21:39:12 <sdfghj> ok, how do you get to use the dfu stuff, if it wont boot with usb attached :/
Aug 11 21:41:13 <hhf423> hi folks
Aug 11 21:41:28 <hhf423> where would I find a dfu util for Windows?
Aug 11 21:48:37 <DukeOfURL> with both AT&T and T-Mob SIMs, I get "+CME ERROR: 10".  can anyone explain this?
Aug 11 21:49:29 <hhf423> but they are recent SIMs, i.e. voltage ok etc?
Aug 11 21:49:34 <mellon> What did you type?
Aug 11 21:49:37 <mellon> What does the SIM say on it?
Aug 11 21:49:45 <mellon> I have a t-mobile US SIM that's working okay.
Aug 11 21:50:28 <hhf423> does noone know if and where there is a DFU util for Windows?
Aug 11 21:51:30 <mellon> Maybe look around for a Zaurus utility for Windows?
Aug 11 21:51:45 <mellon> Seems like there ought to be one out there somewhere.
Aug 11 21:52:44 <hhf423> hmmm
Aug 11 21:54:57 <ljp> if they are 3g sim's, they will most likely fail, as the neo is 2.5g
Aug 11 21:55:38 <mjr> ljp, thing is they're apparently "supposed" to be backwards gsm-compatible
Aug 11 21:55:40 <defer_> i don't think there's a difference between 3g sims 
Aug 11 21:56:19 <pH5> ljp: that's got nothing to do with it. I'm using several 3g sims with several 2.5g phones
Aug 11 21:56:26 <ljp> i have seen 2.5g phones destroy 3g sims
Aug 11 21:56:52 * pH5 thinks it would make sense to buy an umts phone some time
Aug 11 21:57:12 * SpeedEvil awaits umts-neo.
Aug 11 21:57:23 <pH5> mmh
Aug 11 21:57:38 <mjr> ljp, no you (likely) haven't. You've seen operators disconnect sims because they're used in 2g cells, because they only have 3g networks themselves and rely on roaming to cover more area
Aug 11 21:57:53 <mjr> and hence require the use of a 3g cellphone
Aug 11 21:57:59 <ljp> hmm. you sure about what I have seen or not seen, hey
Aug 11 21:58:12 <mjr> No, in fact I explicitly noted so.
Aug 11 21:58:36 <anrp> get the 8525 if you must get one
Aug 11 21:58:40 <ljp> ok, well. like I said, I have seen 2.5g phones destroy 3g sims
Aug 11 21:58:42 <anrp> us+europe+japan roaming!
Aug 11 21:58:43 <mjr> anyway, yeah, umts-neo, must-buy, whenever one hopefully comes
Aug 11 21:59:05 <Basheri> yeap
Aug 11 21:59:20 <mjr> (Let's once again look into the future, all the way to the year 2000...)
Aug 11 21:59:24 <mjr> ljp, ok
Aug 11 21:59:33 <mjr> if you insist :)
Aug 11 21:59:49 <ljp> you are the one doubting to what I have witnessed
Aug 11 22:00:06 <doc|home> how long before the neo supports 3g?
Aug 11 22:00:09 <anrp> years
Aug 11 22:00:12 <doc|home> or is that :/
Aug 11 22:00:14 <mjr> yes, because it seemed the likelier scenario
Aug 11 22:00:17 <mjr> so?
Aug 11 22:00:56 <mjr> doc|home, nobody has a clue outside moko/fic inc. Maybe not even them very much, we'll see.
Aug 11 22:04:15 <doc|home> how long before operators switch to 3g?
Aug 11 22:04:46 <doc|home> "In 2005, about 40% of subscribers used 3G networks only, and 2G use declined. It was expected that the transition to 3G would be largely completed during 2006, and upgrades to the next 3.5G stage with 3 Mbit/s data rates were under way."
Aug 11 22:04:51 <doc|home> - wikipedia
Aug 11 22:05:16 <mjr> I expect gsm to be with us for a good while yet.
Aug 11 22:05:33 <ScaredyCat> does anyone know what a 'factory reset' actually does?
Aug 11 22:05:35 <mjr> getting 3g coverage everywhere is expensive...
Aug 11 22:07:55 <SpeedEvil> There are what - a  dozen standards + bands?
Aug 11 22:08:06 <SpeedEvil> Of that order anyway.
Aug 11 22:08:06 <mjr> and tossing the existing widespread gsm capacity when the infra is ready is not exactly appealing to many companies...
Aug 11 22:08:15 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: standards are good - there are so many to chose from!
Aug 11 22:08:20 <SpeedEvil> :/
Aug 11 22:08:46 <ScaredyCat> i don't think it does much :)
Aug 11 22:09:26 <ScaredyCat> usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10
Aug 11 22:09:27 <ScaredyCat> usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Aug 11 22:09:27 <ScaredyCat> :/
Aug 11 22:09:41 * SpeedEvil rebooted.
Aug 11 22:09:43 <SpeedEvil> Worked then,
Aug 11 22:13:38 <ScaredyCat> ok, so it looks like I'm going to have a retarded neo ... 
Aug 11 22:13:40 <ScaredyCat> :/
Aug 11 22:16:41 <hhf423> does noone know if and where there is a DFU util for Windows?
Aug 11 22:16:51 <anrp> 1i don't think anyone's compiled one
Aug 11 22:16:59 <anrp> or tested
Aug 11 22:17:42 <hhf423> so looks like I have to install linux to get my neo flashed...
Aug 11 22:17:54 <anrp> :/
Aug 11 22:18:08 * ScaredyCat wonders why you can boot ext2 on the neo, but you can't actually create the ext2 fs with the neo
Aug 11 22:18:08 <ScaredyCat> ..
Aug 11 22:18:12 <defer_> doesn't sound that bad
Aug 11 22:19:00 <SpeedEvil> while ! e2fsck /dev/foo
Aug 11 22:19:02 <SpeedEvil> do 
Aug 11 22:19:03 <hhf423> or can I boot from the SD card?
Aug 11 22:19:10 <SpeedEvil> dd if=/dev/urandom >/dev/foo
Aug 11 22:19:11 <SpeedEvil> done
Aug 11 22:19:12 <cesarb> hhf423: the problem is that most neo users are linux/unix users, and it shows
Aug 11 22:19:20 <ScaredyCat> lol... there I was , chatting to myself...
Aug 11 22:19:29 <mjr> all neo users are linux users ;]
Aug 11 22:19:34 <mjr> that's what it runs
Aug 11 22:19:35 <cesarb> hhf423: yeah, AFAIK you can flash from the SD card... try to find it on the wiki
Aug 11 22:19:44 <cesarb> mjr: I meant desktop linux users
Aug 11 22:19:47 <SpeedEvil> IIRC it requires an ext2 image.
Aug 11 22:19:54 <ScaredyCat> hhf423: I need to do that too!
Aug 11 22:20:06 <ScaredyCat> [2007-08-11 23:16:29] * ScaredyCat wonders why you can boot ext2 on the neo, but you can't actually create the ext2 fs with the neo
Aug 11 22:20:12 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: that's not actually a problem, is it? IIRC there are ext2 browsers for windows...
Aug 11 22:20:13 <hhf423> cesarb: yes. there seems to be DFU for windows, but it looks like there are only exe's with firmware bundled, like for some BT stick etc
Aug 11 22:20:23 <SpeedEvil> cesarb: dunno.
Aug 11 22:20:59 <hhf423> awww, I'll look to that tomorrow, need some sleep. had too little on the camp.
Aug 11 22:21:05 <hhf423> g'night
Aug 11 22:21:14 <ScaredyCat> bleh
Aug 11 22:21:34 <cesarb> hhf423: I would try to write a DFU util for windows to help on these cases, only that (a) I don't have a windows machine to test (b) I don't actually know much about windows programming (other than using cross-platform toolkits) (c) I think my neo is on the next batch
Aug 11 22:21:59 <Basheri> It's cool to be part of the majority as a linux user for change ;)
Aug 11 22:21:59 <ScaredyCat> d) he's gone
Aug 11 22:22:16 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: meh, I should have typed faster :(
Aug 11 22:22:28 <ScaredyCat> :)
Aug 11 22:22:33 <yoyo_> hi all
Aug 11 22:22:40 <ScaredyCat> still... you can help me now cesarb
Aug 11 22:23:24 <ScaredyCat> I need a bootable ext2 image that'll reflash my neo..
Aug 11 22:23:45 <ScaredyCat> the good news is that the neo has dd :)
Aug 11 22:24:08 <ScaredyCat> the bad news is.. I don;t have a card reader :(
Aug 11 22:24:38 <yoyo_> question: where can I publish my application?
Aug 11 22:24:39 <aloril> yoyo_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 11 22:25:02 <ScaredyCat> to be honest, I think all I need is to 'repair'  my env stuff
Aug 11 22:25:13 <ScaredyCat> yoyo_: what is it :)
Aug 11 22:26:18 <yoyo_> ScaredyCat: I wrote a simple bt panel applet. I't on/off bt.
Aug 11 22:26:27 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: why? is it not autobooting?
Aug 11 22:26:45 <ScaredyCat> it boots cesarb... but it as issues..
Aug 11 22:26:56 <ScaredyCat> I can't boot at all with usb connected..
Aug 11 22:26:57 <DukeOfURL> on the GSM antenna icon, what do the two horizontal lines indicate?
Aug 11 22:27:05 <mjr> yoyo_, cool, now make it connect to a bnep PAN :)
Aug 11 22:27:10 <ScaredyCat> which means I can't use dfu to flash it..
Aug 11 22:27:29 <ScaredyCat> whcih means I'm stuck with the current image.. :(
Aug 11 22:27:33 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: even if you boot into uboot first and then plug the cable?
Aug 11 22:27:47 <ScaredyCat> it locks up..
Aug 11 22:28:07 <ScaredyCat> and I get 
Aug 11 22:28:09 <ScaredyCat> usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 21
Aug 11 22:28:09 <ScaredyCat> usb 3-1: device not accepting address 21, error -110
Aug 11 22:28:38 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: I don't think the environment partition has anything to do with it
Aug 11 22:28:50 <yoyo_> jr: I thought to make part to send files
Aug 11 22:28:57 <ScaredyCat> boot params are in there, no ?
Aug 11 22:29:07 <ScaredyCat> that's what I messed with last :)
Aug 11 22:29:15 <mjr> yoyo_, well, that too :)
Aug 11 22:29:39 <ScaredyCat> sounds nice yoyo_
Aug 11 22:29:45 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: but the boot params are for the kernel, and you are not loading it if you are stopping on uboot...
Aug 11 22:30:11 <ScaredyCat> well, there's a usb driver in there somewhere :)
Aug 11 22:30:37 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: it's on the uboot binary itself, it does not depend on the environment
Aug 11 22:30:55 <ScaredyCat> but the env params do affect stuff, that's where the first splash is defined
Aug 11 22:30:59 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: but I can believe the DFU getting confused if the partitioning stuff on the environment gets lost
Aug 11 22:31:30 <ScaredyCat> do a printenv and you'll see the splashimage=
Aug 11 22:31:38 <ScaredyCat> (I no longer have one :( )
Aug 11 22:31:53 <yoyo> In present there is a problem. When I show file chooser dialog I'w get G_MAXLONG  :(
Aug 11 22:32:40 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: I'm looking at flash.sh, which creates it for qemu (as I said, I don't have a device yet...)
Aug 11 22:33:04 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: I think the mtdparts line is more important
Aug 11 22:33:43 <ScaredyCat> yeah, but if I miscalculated it could be overwriting the memory..
Aug 11 22:33:46 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: since it's different for each device (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks) and determines where the partitions are
Aug 11 22:33:59 <ScaredyCat> :(
Aug 11 22:34:28 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: it's possible that if it's missing it could be confusing the DFU code (which does calculate things based on it, and I don't think Harald ever tested it with a blank env part)
Aug 11 22:35:32 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: if you can get to the uboot console, you could try doing the dynpart (without the saveenv, so it's volatile) and seeing if it makes sense
Aug 11 22:35:43 <cesarb> (don't ask me _how_ you will know if it makes sense...)
Aug 11 22:35:57 <anrp> http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/neo/dfu/
Aug 11 22:35:59 <anrp> i just compiled that
Aug 11 22:36:02 <ScaredyCat> yeah, but I can't get to the uboot console :(
Aug 11 22:36:05 <anrp> i have zero idea if it works.... i'll try
Aug 11 22:36:55 * cesarb thinks it might be a good idea to add to the relevant parts of the wiki, the ones which say "never erase the uboot partition unless you have the debug card", something about "never erase the environment partition, and also write its contents down somewhere"
Aug 11 22:37:36 * ScaredyCat starts sobbing again
Aug 11 22:37:43 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: not being able to get to the uboot console via USB if the environment part is accidentally hosed might be an important uboot bug which should be fixed... (not that it would help you, since you cannot flash it)
Aug 11 22:38:01 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: but you said you can get to the normal linux userspace, right?
Aug 11 22:38:12 <ScaredyCat> yes
Aug 11 22:38:24 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: you might be able to flash from there...
Aug 11 22:38:53 * cesarb starts his old qemu snapshot to see if he can find out how
Aug 11 22:38:56 <yoyo> ScaredyCat: about two horizontal lines indicate- if you have two lines you have a no gprs_mode connection
Aug 11 22:40:46 <yoyo> the source code says. the source code says. 
Aug 11 22:44:28 <anrp> hey, it actually worked!
Aug 11 22:45:10 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: you can read the environment partition at /dev/mtdblock1
Aug 11 22:45:17 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: but it is in some binary format
Aug 11 22:45:45 <anrp> well .. hm, not quite
Aug 11 22:45:55 * Elrond wonders, when we'll see 2007.2 ipks on buildhost...
Aug 11 22:46:15 <ScaredyCat> mmmm...
Aug 11 22:47:09 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: and it seems like you can overwrite it easily too, so if you know what to put on it, you can fix it
Aug 11 22:48:32 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: as for the DFU, it seems it is designed to run 'dynpart' automatically if no partitions are found... It might be possible that the system might be in a state where dynpart didn't expect it... or perhaps dynpart takes too long and it looks as if it has crashed (and timeouts the linux host)?
Aug 11 22:48:35 * cesarb speculating
Aug 11 22:49:42 <yoyo> question: where can I download gllin app?
Aug 11 22:49:56 <anrp> answer: you can't, legally
Aug 11 22:49:58 <cesarb> yoyo: you can't
Aug 11 22:50:07 <ScaredyCat> bad yoyo
Aug 11 22:50:12 <ScaredyCat> naughty yoyo
Aug 11 22:50:18 <ScaredyCat> in your bed
Aug 11 22:50:23 <doc|home> yoyo no know
Aug 11 22:50:25 <anrp> now someone distributed something called  "definately_not_gllin.tar" a couple days ago
Aug 11 22:50:58 <anrp> perhaps they were wrong
Aug 11 22:51:07 <ScaredyCat> it was a picture of a guy and a donkey
Aug 11 22:51:14 <ScaredyCat> it was very wrong
Aug 11 22:51:14 <ScaredyCat> :
Aug 11 22:51:29 <yoyo> On my delivered neo I'w got a kernel panik and I flash it
Aug 11 22:51:45 <cesarb> yoyo: read the FAQ on the wiki
Aug 11 22:51:54 <cesarb> yoyo: the panic is because there was no rootfs
Aug 11 22:51:58 <ScaredyCat> you'll need to nand erase :)
Aug 11 22:52:03 <cesarb> yoyo: so, don't worry, you didn't overwrite anything
Aug 11 22:52:23 <ScaredyCat> so, cesarb .. what are the nvram files ?
Aug 11 22:52:28 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: AFAIK the bug which caused the need for nand erase on rootfs was already fixed on uboot
Aug 11 22:52:47 <ScaredyCat> k
Aug 11 22:52:53 <yoyo> I'm not worring :) yyy my English 
Aug 11 22:53:04 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: and, on first flash of rootfs, it's already erased ;-)
Aug 11 22:54:08 <ScaredyCat> :)
Aug 11 22:54:23 * ScaredyCat wonders if those 2 could be useful...
Aug 11 22:54:35 <jaebird> just ordered a dell with ubuntu
Aug 11 22:55:02 <doc|home> jaebird: do you feel both dirty and good, all at the same time? :)
Aug 11 22:55:17 <jaebird> doc|home: exactly, great description
Aug 11 22:55:35 <jaebird> don't know how many times i just got up and walked away!
Aug 11 22:55:43 <anrp> but.. but.. dell!
Aug 11 22:55:44 <doc|home> hehehe
Aug 11 22:55:50 <doc|home> anrp: but not windows!
Aug 11 22:55:59 <anrp> but.. but.. dell!
Aug 11 22:56:09 <doc|home> it's really tough to find a laptop which you can be sure was never sullied with windows :/
Aug 11 22:56:19 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: did you get something from the mtdblock1 partition (dd if=/dev/mtdblock1 of=somewhereelse)?
Aug 11 22:56:20 <anrp> true enough
Aug 11 22:56:34 <doc|home> my hatred for dell < my determination never to give MS another penny
Aug 11 22:56:48 <Basheri> yeap
Aug 11 22:56:59 <doc|home> and I really hate dell :|
Aug 11 22:57:08 <cesarb> doc|home: I heard somewhere you can somehow make a "whitebox" laptop
Aug 11 22:57:09 <anrp> but why D:
Aug 11 22:57:15 <anrp> a whitebox laptop?
Aug 11 22:57:18 <anrp> of all the bad ideas ...
Aug 11 22:57:25 <cesarb> doc|home: it comes without CPU, without memory, and most important, without any HD
Aug 11 22:57:27 <doc|home> cesarb: yeah, tends to be more hassle than it's worth imo
Aug 11 22:57:34 <cesarb> doc|home: without HD means without any OS
Aug 11 22:57:40 <doc|home> cesarb: the cases themselves are pretty pricey :/
Aug 11 22:57:44 <doc|home> and generally ugly
Aug 11 22:57:49 <ScaredyCat> 16.0k Aug 11 23:56 mtdblock1.bin
Aug 11 22:58:14 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: what is on it? ;-)
Aug 11 22:59:11 <anrp> .bin things!
Aug 11 23:02:06 <ScaredyCat> cesarb: http://pastebin.ca/653967
Aug 11 23:02:44 <anrp> hm
Aug 11 23:02:46 <anrp> almost works
Aug 11 23:06:03 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: the readable parts look sane to me, except the splashimage one, but I don't know how to read the binary parts, so I can't be sure about them
Aug 11 23:06:08 <ScaredyCat> I can see my typo roo
Aug 11 23:06:13 <ScaredyCat> too
Aug 11 23:06:14 <yoyo> sleep :) seea
Aug 11 23:06:46 <ScaredyCat> 0x2000000 should be 0x32000000
Aug 11 23:07:44 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: isn't that the address it writes the splash image to? what's there at the wrong address?
Aug 11 23:07:59 <ScaredyCat> could be anyhting!
Aug 11 23:08:22 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: could be uboot itself, if you are really lucky ;-)
Aug 11 23:08:32 <orzo> is the package pool for the neo the same for open embedded and the one the ipkg maintainers seem to keep?
Aug 11 23:08:52 * ScaredyCat ponders a hex editor
Aug 11 23:08:53 <orzo> are these all coming from the same place?
Aug 11 23:09:07 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: I wonder how would uboot behave if you surgically edited that partition so instead of "splashimage" it read "spl4sh1m4g3"
Aug 11 23:09:20 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: would it simply show no splash image at all?
Aug 11 23:09:39 <ScaredyCat> well, it doesn't show one atm either ;)
Aug 11 23:11:34 <noon> good noght every body
Aug 11 23:12:09 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: a test with qemu (erasing the variable in uboot instead of changing its name, the effect should be the same) shows it displays tux overwritten by some crazy hex stringy and a random date, and then proceeds as normal
Aug 11 23:12:28 <cesarb> (it also displays its version, I don't recal if it always did so)
Aug 11 23:13:10 <ScaredyCat> iirc it displays it's version number/string
Aug 11 23:13:56 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: so, IF you manage to correctly overwrite one of the characters of the variable name, IF there is no CRC protecting the environment (if there is, well, you saved a copy of all the variables, I hope you can get to the uboot console without them), and IF that was the cause of the breakage, THEN it should work again, and you should do a writeup on the wiki ;-)
Aug 11 23:14:02 <cesarb> (wow that was a long line of text)
Aug 11 23:14:31 <ScaredyCat> it was...
Aug 11 23:14:40 <ScaredyCat> and if it doesn't work...
Aug 11 23:14:48 <ScaredyCat> .. you'll send me your neo :)
Aug 11 23:16:54 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: the most probable reason for it not working would be a CRC on the environment, in which case you would get a blank environment
Aug 11 23:19:39 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: btw, if there's no hexeditor on the neo, and you are crazy enough, you can edit single bytes with dd ;-)
Aug 11 23:20:48 <ScaredyCat> well, it's bricked
Aug 11 23:21:16 <cesarb> :(
Aug 11 23:21:43 <ScaredyCat> wait
Aug 11 23:21:49 <cesarb> ?
Aug 11 23:23:30 <ScaredyCat> it's not bricked...
Aug 11 23:23:59 <ScaredyCat> ok, so it comes up with tux + version string
Aug 11 23:24:08 <ScaredyCat> then doesn nothing..
Aug 11 23:24:19 <ScaredyCat> press aux and power = boot menu
Aug 11 23:24:35 <ScaredyCat> with boot or factory reset
Aug 11 23:24:50 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: it probably lost the whole environment (the first 4 bytes of the environment probably are some sort of CRC)
Aug 11 23:24:57 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: try the USB now
Aug 11 23:25:16 <ScaredyCat> /dev/ttyACM0 appears, but is useless
Aug 11 23:25:21 <jaebird> Interesting...sony ericsson w580 uses an accelerometer to skip ahead or back when playing tunes
Aug 11 23:25:29 <jaebird> shake to play random song :)
Aug 11 23:25:34 <xkr47> heh
Aug 11 23:25:47 <jaebird> read it in PopSci this month...
Aug 11 23:25:49 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: if you can get to the console, you can do all the setenv (using the variables you saved earlier) and thus restore everything to working order
Aug 11 23:26:02 <ScaredyCat> but I can't  - still
Aug 11 23:27:32 <cesarb> damn... is it possible that uboot doesn't default to allowing USB console?
Aug 11 23:27:50 <cesarb> and DFU, does it work?
Aug 11 23:28:00 <ScaredyCat> also says bad magic number..
Aug 11 23:28:05 <ScaredyCat> wll try dfu
Aug 11 23:28:57 <cesarb> If dfu works, you could restore the env partition the the file you saved (broken state, but...), or perhaps pop the env partition into the emulator, edit it there, extract it, and write one with the correct CRC
Aug 11 23:29:29 <cesarb> (well, if DFU works, it's better than what was before, where it was DFU which was broken...)
Aug 11 23:30:02 <ScaredyCat> Starting download: [##################################################dfu_download error -110
Aug 11 23:30:02 <ScaredyCat> ] finished!
Aug 11 23:30:02 <ScaredyCat> unable to read DFU status
Aug 11 23:31:40 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: was that the env partition?
Aug 11 23:32:01 <ScaredyCat> no
Aug 11 23:34:35 <ScaredyCat> drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem.
Aug 11 23:34:35 <ScaredyCat> cdc_acm 3-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
Aug 11 23:34:39 <cesarb> hm, according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot, it doesn't default to USB, it defaults to the serial
Aug 11 23:35:15 <SpeedEvil> usb-serial
Aug 11 23:35:16 <ScaredyCat> :/
Aug 11 23:35:26 <SpeedEvil> acm is a serial
Aug 11 23:35:40 <SpeedEvil> cu -l /dev/ttyACM0
Aug 11 23:35:45 <SpeedEvil> or minicom, or whatever
Aug 11 23:35:50 <SpeedEvil> and you get a u-boot console
Aug 11 23:36:03 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: it defaults to the internal serial (the one in the debug board) unles you set the stdin/stdout/stderr stuff, if I read the wiki page correctly
Aug 11 23:36:04 <dando-> cat /dev/ttyACM0
Aug 11 23:36:59 <dando-> it is one of the inovations of UNIX in the 70s
Aug 11 23:37:47 <SpeedEvil> Is this a 'normal' image - or a broken one.
Aug 11 23:38:01 <SpeedEvil> Because the normal one the usb-serial is active.
Aug 11 23:38:25 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: a normal one with an invalid environment
Aug 11 23:38:31 <SpeedEvil> ah
Aug 11 23:40:16 <SpeedEvil> can't you re-DFU a valid environ?
Aug 11 23:40:27 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: if your uboot environment has the same partition scheme as the one on http://pastebin.ca/653967, could you extract it (dd if=/dev/mtdblock1 of=somewhere) and send it to ScaredyCat?
Aug 11 23:41:02 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: DFU was broken before (perhaps because of a broken splashimage line), but now that it's using a default environment, it isn't anymore
Aug 11 23:41:22 * cesarb cannot easily extract it from qemu, as it's qcow and writing to the emulated SD card is broken
Aug 11 23:41:55 <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
Aug 11 23:42:10 <SpeedEvil> I forget it crashes everytime I do that.
Aug 11 23:42:14 * SpeedEvil pulls the battery.
Aug 11 23:42:22 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: ?
Aug 11 23:43:18 <cesarb> If this all works, I'm going to file a bug requesting a better defaut environment to be used when the CRC fails on the normal one (and/or a magic key combination to get the default environment back)
Aug 11 23:43:23 <SpeedEvil> everytime I do cat /dev/mtd* it loses NAND
Aug 11 23:44:03 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: ouch
Aug 11 23:44:15 <ckuethe> you're not supposed to do cat /dev/null > /dev/mtd*      ;)
Aug 11 23:44:31 <SpeedEvil> no - cat /dev/mtd* >/dev/null crashes
Aug 11 23:44:35 <SpeedEvil> loses access to 
Aug 11 23:44:38 <SpeedEvil> NAND
Aug 11 23:44:53 <ckuethe> i gathered. i was being silly.
Aug 11 23:45:13 <anrp> why though?
Aug 11 23:45:13 * SpeedEvil ties ckuethe up with silly string.
Aug 11 23:46:23 <ckuethe> i don't usually do that on a first date...
Aug 11 23:48:09 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - I filed a bug on that months ago. ;-)
Aug 11 23:49:04 <SpeedEvil> What's the difference between the mtd*1* devices?
Aug 11 23:49:32 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=567
Aug 11 23:50:19 <Elrond> Anyway. Good night people.
Aug 11 23:50:34 <ScaredyCat> isn;t the block1 just environment vars?
Aug 11 23:50:46 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 11 23:50:57 * SpeedEvil looks around, and finds mtpaint
Aug 11 23:51:07 <SpeedEvil> (which has nothing to do with mt devices)
Aug 11 23:53:05 <SpeedEvil> Is there something in proc I can echo to to make it reboot?
Aug 11 23:53:16 * SpeedEvil sighs, and pops the case again.
Aug 11 23:54:22 <Linux_Galore> interesting quote from /. today -> Do you understand how liberating that is? I was a sand-pounding infantryman for god's sake, and now a year later I am a skilled worker in the IT industry, thanks to Open Source.
Aug 11 23:55:21 <cesarb> Great, I can get a working environment from qemu... but how can I copy the file to _outside_ qemu?
Aug 11 23:55:28 <cesarb> The emulated SD writing is broken
Aug 11 23:55:56 <Linux_Galore> morning here, nice sunny day too, seems to be some kind or city to surf race on were people prove they can torture themselves by running really fast for an hour
Aug 11 23:56:02 <Linux_Galore> <- Sydney
Aug 11 23:56:03 <ScaredyCat> :/
Aug 11 23:56:32 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.net/mtd
Aug 11 23:56:49 <ScaredyCat> tis down 
Aug 11 23:56:52 <SpeedEvil> this is 16K, and looks like what showenv ssyas
Aug 11 23:56:55 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/mtd
Aug 11 23:56:57 <SpeedEvil> meh
Aug 11 23:58:26 <SpeedEvil> I think DFU however wants wrapping round the file to make it pretty, before it will look at it.
Aug 11 23:59:12 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: wouldn't getting the partition's content with DFU add that wrapping for you? (does DFU upload to host work?)
Aug 11 23:59:25 <SpeedEvil> dunno.
Aug 12 00:00:04 <SpeedEvil> It would get you the current state of the partition, which you could replace the bit with using dd I suppose.
Aug 12 00:02:38 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: dfu-util doesn't seem to have any checking, so the checking, if any, would be on uboot
Aug 12 00:03:18 <SpeedEvil> ah
Aug 12 00:03:26 <ScaredyCat> Port /dev/ttyACM0
Aug 12 00:03:26 <ScaredyCat>                  Press CTRL-A Z for help on special keys
Aug 12 00:03:26 <ScaredyCat> e
Aug 12 00:03:26 <ScaredyCat> GTA01Bv4 #
Aug 12 00:03:42 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: you managed to get the serial?
Aug 12 00:03:42 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 12 00:03:45 * ScaredyCat hugs and kisses cesarb + SpeedEvil ...
Aug 12 00:04:00 <ScaredyCat> SpeedEvil's mtd block worked...
Aug 12 00:04:01 * SpeedEvil hopes ScaredyCat is a nubile young maiden.
Aug 12 00:04:19 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 12 00:04:23 <ScaredyCat> sadly not SpeedEvil... but I do have some breasts :)
Aug 12 00:04:42 <SpeedEvil> You should also have a 'power-off and autofast' option in u-boot now.
Aug 12 00:04:53 <SpeedEvil> handy for turning on charging given a dumb charger.
Aug 12 00:04:54 <ScaredyCat> ya
Aug 12 00:05:37 <ScaredyCat> I still don't have a splash screen, but I might be able to live with that... 
Aug 12 00:05:39 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: since the partitioning scheme (the mtdparts line) on his environment seems to be the same as it was in yours (if I didn't miss any extra zeroes), it should all work correctly now
Aug 12 00:05:50 <ScaredyCat> unless you want to dump that too SpeedEvil :)
Aug 12 00:05:57 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: as to the splash screen, just reflash the splash partition ;-)
Aug 12 00:06:08 <ScaredyCat> with what though...
Aug 12 00:06:15 <ScaredyCat> last time I broke it :(
Aug 12 00:06:24 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: with the one from qemu
Aug 12 00:06:41 <ScaredyCat> I don;t have it ..
Aug 12 00:06:53 <cesarb> build/qemu/openmoko/splash.gz on a mokomakefile tree
Aug 12 00:07:12 <ScaredyCat> I don't build the qemu stuff... 
Aug 12 00:07:18 <ScaredyCat> becuase I have gcc4
Aug 12 00:07:24 <ScaredyCat> and it barfs at that
Aug 12 00:07:58 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: if you aren't using gentoo, you can just install gcc3 together with gcc4, and qemu's build will automatically use it
Aug 12 00:08:33 <ScaredyCat> it's nnot in the suse repositories :(
Aug 12 00:08:47 <cesarb> Well, let's see if DCC send works with this crazy double-NAT setup of mine...
Aug 12 00:09:03 <ScaredyCat> you'll be lucky
Aug 12 00:09:31 <cesarb> looks like it doesn't (receive works, so by simmetry sending wouldn't)
Aug 12 00:09:34 * SpeedEvil considers goatse'ng ScaredyCat.
Aug 12 00:09:46 <ScaredyCat> I've never known dcc to work - ever..
Aug 12 00:09:47 <SpeedEvil> But decides that working out the u-boot format is too complex.
Aug 12 00:09:53 <ScaredyCat> lol
Aug 12 00:10:14 <ScaredyCat> SpeedEvil: I wouldn't mind... if you had worked it out :)
Aug 12 00:10:19 <SpeedEvil> same url, mtdblock3
Aug 12 00:10:24 <ScaredyCat> ta
Aug 12 00:10:29 <SpeedEvil> same site, rather
Aug 12 00:12:03 <cesarb> Well, 'make setup-qemu' followed by 'cd build/qemu/openmoko && make splash.gz' should be enough to create it, and doesn't need gcc at all
Aug 12 00:12:56 <SpeedEvil> It looks just like a 16 bit wide 640*480 raw map.
Aug 12 00:13:03 <SpeedEvil> but I couldn't be bothered.
Aug 12 00:13:07 <SpeedEvil> gzipped
Aug 12 00:13:13 <SpeedEvil> which I don't understand why
Aug 12 00:14:24 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: because without gzip it would waste space for something which is just cosmetic
Aug 12 00:14:25 <SpeedEvil> What do the two lines under the antenna in GSM status show?
Aug 12 00:14:29 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: since it has to be raw
Aug 12 00:14:41 <SpeedEvil> But it's on a fixed-size partition...
Aug 12 00:15:01 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: the partition probably wasn't sized for the full image size
Aug 12 00:15:09 <SpeedEvil> Twas.
Aug 12 00:16:22 <SpeedEvil> 640K. Which is actually larger than 640*480*2
Aug 12 00:18:16 * SpeedEvil idly wonders how large an mpeg1 codec is in mplayer
Aug 12 00:18:31 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: well, on the qemu setup it's 256k
Aug 12 00:19:01 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: which is smaller...
Aug 12 00:19:48 * cesarb wonders how long before some l33t h4x0r decides to get some extra space by repartitioning a neo
Aug 12 00:19:56 <ScaredyCat> w00t
Aug 12 00:20:06 <ScaredyCat> i has a splash
Aug 12 00:20:18 <ScaredyCat> sorry it took so long, technical hitch
Aug 12 00:20:59 <ScaredyCat> ut hey... now we know hte easy way to change a splash ;)
Aug 12 00:21:00 * mwester-laptop wonders if cesarb and ScaredyCat will get their keyboards fixed so they can spell "hacker" and "woot" ;)
Aug 12 00:21:07 <ScaredyCat> .. well and the hard way
Aug 12 00:21:44 * ScaredyCat vows to buy some beers 
Aug 12 00:22:21 <ScaredyCat> so much relief... just to be at the same point I was 15 hours ago :/
Aug 12 00:22:50 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: what was you trying to do 15 hours ago?
Aug 12 00:22:52 <mwester-laptop> hehe!  But think of all you learned~
Aug 12 00:22:56 <cesarb> s/was/were/
Aug 12 00:22:56 <apt> cesarb meant: ScaredyCat: what were you trying to do 15 hours ago?
Aug 12 00:23:23 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: (btw, a writeup on the wiki or ml on "how i fixed my neo" would be cool ;-) )
Aug 12 00:23:38 <ScaredyCat> I was only trying to change the splash... which I did... I changed it from a picture... to not a picture
Aug 12 00:23:39 <SpeedEvil> Just be grateful you borked another partition than u-boot :)
Aug 12 00:23:47 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: (so other people with similar problems will know what to do and what to not to do)
Aug 12 00:24:17 <ScaredyCat> cesarb: how about - don't do it. :)
Aug 12 00:24:21 <ScaredyCat> yes SpeedEvil.. 
Aug 12 00:24:22 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: well, first try on mokomakefile doing a "make setup-qemu && cd build/qemu/openmoko && make splash.gz"
Aug 12 00:24:42 <ScaredyCat> cesarb: but I hav ehte splash's
Aug 12 00:24:50 <ScaredyCat> I used werner's stuff...
Aug 12 00:25:06 <ScaredyCat> openmoko/developers/werner/splash
Aug 12 00:25:13 <ScaredyCat> I just balled up
Aug 12 00:25:24 <ScaredyCat> s/balled/ballsed it/
Aug 12 00:25:24 <apt> ScaredyCat meant: I just ballsed it up
Aug 12 00:26:04 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: if it works and you have a splash.gz (which is what you flash on the neo), you can edit the makefile on build/qemu/openmoko to use another .png as the image, and get a splash.gz which you can flash
Aug 12 00:26:14 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: I see, he has a quite different scheme
Aug 12 00:26:36 <ScaredyCat> yes...
Aug 12 00:26:41 <cesarb> ScaredyCat: and you missed a '3' somewhere when tyoping it ;-)
Aug 12 00:27:06 <ScaredyCat> yes.. 0x2000000 instead of 0x32000000
Aug 12 00:27:35 <ScaredyCat> still... at least it was a cock up that didn't explode completely
Aug 12 00:27:52 <SpeedEvil> I copy+paste - rather than typing, for this sort of stuff.
Aug 12 00:27:56 <SpeedEvil> Then check it.
Aug 12 00:28:12 <ScaredyCat> that's what I thought I'd done...
Aug 12 00:28:38 <ScaredyCat> it wasn't until cesarb and I looked at the mtd that I saw it :/
Aug 12 00:29:15 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
Aug 12 00:29:24 <SpeedEvil> 17K - is what the splash actually is.
Aug 12 00:29:32 <SpeedEvil> A whole 620K wasted.
Aug 12 00:30:00 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: not on the qemu setup ;-)
Aug 12 00:30:00 <ScaredyCat> I thought it'd be fun to do something like these for the boot: http://flickr.com/photos/stillframe/tags/itrapped/show/
Aug 12 00:30:15 <mdt> does someone know what's going on on ccc07? some outcome from the programing-marathon?
Aug 12 00:30:23 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: which wastes only 239k
Aug 12 00:30:54 <sagacis> heh
Aug 12 00:30:55 <ScaredyCat> there are 2 splashes too
Aug 12 00:32:26 <sagacis> I plugged my neo into a dumb AC adapter to 500ma 5.5v usb-mini-b.  The neo never showed the charging icon and went dead.  What's up with that?
Aug 12 00:34:45 <ExxonValdeez> !seen galaxende
Aug 12 00:34:46 <cdbot2> ExxonValdeez, I don't remember seeing galaxende.
Aug 12 00:37:04 <ScaredyCat> ok... anrp, cesarb, SpeedEvil thank's for the help... I'll write it all up tomorrow and stick it on the wiki - for now, much needed sleep...
Aug 12 00:37:41 <ExxonValdeez> is it fairly easy to get the openmoko software running in qemu
Aug 12 00:37:41 <ExxonValdeez> ?
Aug 12 00:38:00 <sagacis> SpeedEvil: You've been at it all day!
Aug 12 00:38:10 <sagacis> ExxonValdeez: mokomakefile
Aug 12 00:38:38 <ExxonValdeez> have you done it before though?, ah well, i might as well just go hack around with it
Aug 12 00:45:24 <SpeedEvil> I was asking yesterday if there was a jpeg viewer on it.
Aug 12 00:45:27 <SpeedEvil> There is.
Aug 12 00:45:32 <SpeedEvil> mtpaint -v foo.jpg
Aug 12 01:04:59 <sagacis> mucked up my neo's fs.  Ready to install a new one, mucked up my builds. :(
Aug 12 01:10:22 <sagacis> Why does the uImage on http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ never change?
Aug 12 01:23:02 <togs> New Neo. Tried the 2007.2 images. Looked nice but could not turn the machine off (had to use battery). Reflash and get a grey screen (see http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/Emerging_OpenMoko.html). Reboot doesn't help?
Aug 12 01:24:34 <sagacis> Wierd.
Aug 12 01:25:06 <anrp> `/me possibly spies a u-boot bug
Aug 12 01:25:10 <anrp> er >_> yeah. anywaya
Aug 12 01:25:21 <sagacis> togs, if you don't want to risk updating your u-boot, you can cu to the usb uboot console and "nand erase rootfs" and "nand erase kernel"
Aug 12 01:25:35 <sagacis> before flashing
Aug 12 01:25:50 <sagacis> It could be that you just have an incomplete erase. 
Aug 12 01:26:10 <sagacis> I saw some really strange things, like lib.so files turned into directories on my rootfs
Aug 12 01:26:34 <sagacis> The updated uboot has the fix, but I haven't felt up to flashing that without a debug board.
Aug 12 01:26:48 <sagacis> With my luck, we'd have a brownout right at that moment and I'd brick the device.
Aug 12 01:27:58 <togs> Okay, I did get a sense that erase might help. I've no debug board so I've been similarly cautious. I'll try the nand erase. Is this relatively safe?
Aug 12 01:28:13 <anrp> yep
Aug 12 01:28:15 <anrp> bug!
Aug 12 01:28:30 <anrp> bInterfaceNumber in uboot-dfu.patch is 0x00 for all 5 interfaces
Aug 12 01:28:40 <anrp> win32 libusb is trying to walk the list, and fails
Aug 12 01:28:43 <anrp> since they're all zero
Aug 12 01:29:34 * anrp idly wonders how to fix it, considering uboot build is broken...
Aug 12 01:30:01 <sagacis> anrp, in those cases, I usually start with "blame".
Aug 12 01:30:19 <sagacis> At least then, I know whose name to curse....;-)
Aug 12 01:30:41 <sagacis> togs, sure.  Just did it myself.
Aug 12 01:30:47 <anrp> that would be laforge
Aug 12 01:30:52 <sagacis> don't mistype and spell uboot, tho.
Aug 12 01:30:52 <anrp> D: more stress
Aug 12 01:31:06 <orzo> I get an error when i try to use gdb to connect remotely
Aug 12 01:31:21 <orzo> i run "gdb server foo:1234 hello" on the neo
Aug 12 01:31:59 <orzo> and "gdb hello" on the computer and tell it "target remote neo:1234" where neo is the ip address of the phone
Aug 12 01:32:06 <orzo> at that point it seem to be working
Aug 12 01:32:38 <orzo> but then i issue any debugging command and i get "Warning: Cannot insert break point -3. Error accessing memory address 0xd400: Input/output error."
Aug 12 01:34:27 <orzo> anybody ever use gdbserver?
Aug 12 01:34:52 <Linux_Galore> heh http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=51b_1186864980
Aug 12 01:36:58 <sagacis> Hey, I got noise!
Aug 12 01:37:10 <sagacis> orzo: sorry, never used gdbserver
Aug 12 01:37:31 <sagacis> I loaded the latest from nslu2 and got a boot sound.  
Aug 12 01:37:33 <anrp> http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=701
Aug 12 01:37:37 <anrp> i do got me a bug D:
Aug 12 01:37:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 701 has been created by anrp(AT)mit.edu
Aug 12 01:37:55 <cdbot2> * * bInterfaceNumber setting incorrect
Aug 12 01:37:57 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=701
Aug 12 01:38:03 * SpeedEvil offers a prize for bug 1000.
Aug 12 01:38:29 <anrp> wot, my email
Aug 12 01:38:30 <anrp> !!
Aug 12 01:38:34 <anrp> oh well
Aug 12 01:38:50 <togs> On my host when I try cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 I get Permission denied and then Line in use. Tried also as root. Any ideas (need to nand erase).
Aug 12 01:39:34 <anrp> also as root?
Aug 12 01:39:36 <anrp> that can't be right
Aug 12 01:39:46 <anrp> plug it in, dmesg | tail -n 10 (post to pastebin.ca ?)
Aug 12 01:39:55 <sagacis> togs, you should be able to get in as root.... unless somebody else is using the port
Aug 12 01:41:08 <sagacis> Forgot, no gsmd in 2007.2  Tried to power up the modem and crashed my panel.
Aug 12 01:44:13 <togs> sagacis, No one else on the host. 
Aug 12 01:46:28 <cesarb> anrp: your email?
Aug 12 01:46:36 <cesarb> anrp: did the orders pipeline start flowing again?
Aug 12 01:49:50 <togs> anrp, thanks. see http://pastebin.ca/654065
Aug 12 01:50:48 <anrp> huh
Aug 12 01:50:55 <anrp> nah i was talking about the bugbot
Aug 12 01:51:13 <anrp> mm what distro?
Aug 12 01:51:25 <anrp> lsof | grep ACM0 give anything, fuser /dev/ttyACM0 
Aug 12 01:51:26 <anrp> ?
Aug 12 01:53:46 <togs> Nothing from "lsof | grep ACM0" or "fuser /dev/ttyACM0"
Aug 12 01:54:36 <anrp> cu has lost its mind then
Aug 12 01:55:03 <sagacis> maybe a bad module?
Aug 12 01:55:15 <sagacis> I like 2007.2, but the terminal font is TOO BIG!
Aug 12 01:55:32 <anrp> too big? that's hard on a tiny screen
Aug 12 01:56:30 <sagacis> have you seen it?  The 9-point characters are giant
Aug 12 01:56:39 <anrp> try cat /dev/ttyACM0
Aug 12 01:56:50 <anrp> then in another terminal, printf '\n' > /dev/ttyACM0
Aug 12 01:56:57 <anrp> sagacis: i think they fixed the dpi setting
Aug 12 01:57:21 <sagacis> Yup.  But, 9-point font shouldn't be 3/8 inch.  
Aug 12 01:57:51 <sagacis> "root@fic-gta01:/" takes up across the entire screen.
Aug 12 01:58:04 <SpeedEvil> The right solution is a font picker...
Aug 12 01:58:09 <anrp> hm, actually, if they did the reverse
Aug 12 01:58:30 <anrp> the terminal program thinks its on a 72dpi screen
Aug 12 01:58:47 <anrp> er, no, it thinks its on a 220dpi screen
Aug 12 01:58:53 <cesarb> sagacis: people have different eyesight, you know
Aug 12 01:59:01 <anrp> so makes it many pixels
Aug 12 01:59:08 <anrp> then, if there's a second scaling factor somewhere...
Aug 12 01:59:08 <cesarb> sagacis: some people might need much bigger fonts
Aug 12 01:59:17 <sagacis> Hmmm...
Aug 12 01:59:25 <anrp> just saying, since 9pt@72dpi is 1/8"
Aug 12 01:59:26 <sagacis> Y'know, it's actually 9-point height
Aug 12 01:59:33 <anrp> 220/72*1/8 is 0.382
Aug 12 01:59:34 <cesarb> (and then, some people like me tend to use the smallest available font)
Aug 12 01:59:35 <anrp> about what you see
Aug 12 01:59:41 <sagacis> So, it's correct, but I"m used to the tiny print
Aug 12 01:59:49 <sagacis> So, I'll have to see how small it can get..
Aug 12 01:59:55 <anrp> D:
Aug 12 01:59:56 <sagacis> Maybe 6-point will be acceptable.
Aug 12 02:00:00 <sagacis> This screen is so sharp!
Aug 12 02:00:02 <cesarb> sagacis: check xdpyinfo just to be sure if the screen dimensions (in mm) are correct
Aug 12 02:00:06 <anrp> if you want it the same actual size, 9*72/220
Aug 12 02:00:15 <anrp> so, 3 pt
Aug 12 02:00:25 * SpeedEvil ponders. 
Aug 12 02:01:38 <SpeedEvil> I was using about 80*25, landscape, and it wasn't fullscreen.
Aug 12 02:01:55 <anrp> its those damn panels, i say
Aug 12 02:02:16 <sagacis> 3-point is too small.  I'm trying 5
Aug 12 02:02:16 <SpeedEvil> So, call it 120*32 or so, which works out to some 5*15
Aug 12 02:02:21 <SpeedEvil> prolly 6*15
Aug 12 02:02:21 <sagacis> s/5/6/
Aug 12 02:02:22 <apt> sagacis meant: 3-point is too small.  I'm trying 6
Aug 12 02:04:18 <sagacis> maybe 3, or maybe the setting doesn't work
Aug 12 02:04:40 <togs> cat /dev/ttyACM0 got http://pastebin.ca/654072 
Aug 12 02:05:24 <sagacis> togs, it looks like you are connected...
Aug 12 02:06:06 <orzo> i guess i have to recompile gdb with --target different than --host in order to use gdbserver
Aug 12 02:06:07 <sagacis> nope.  /etc/X11/Xdefaults settings didn't change mrxvt's font
Aug 12 02:07:11 <cesarb> hm, the old image I have (on qemu) says it's 16cmx21cm... The neo isn't actually that big, is it?
Aug 12 02:07:26 <cesarb> The DPI settings on the X server are probably completely out of whack
Aug 12 02:07:45 <cesarb> sagacis: try changinng the DPI instead of the font, it should work better
Aug 12 02:07:53 <cesarb> s/changinng/changing/
Aug 12 02:07:53 <apt> cesarb meant: sagacis: try changing the DPI instead of the font, it should work better
Aug 12 02:09:16 <sagacis> The dpi is set to 285, which I think is correct.
Aug 12 02:09:26 <sagacis> Xsession has a section for GTA01 and GTA02
Aug 12 02:09:52 <sagacis> 43x57mm
Aug 12 02:10:37 <orzo> i suppose there should be some way to add gdb to the list of cross tools that are built
Aug 12 02:11:22 <SpeedEvil> gdb and gdbserver are on my phone
Aug 12 02:11:27 * SpeedEvil diddn't put them there.
Aug 12 02:11:41 <orzo> yeah they are there
Aug 12 02:11:46 <sagacis> http://pastebin.ca/654075
Aug 12 02:12:00 <orzo> but  to use gdbserver on your phone, you'd want a cross-tool gdb on your computer
Aug 12 02:12:06 <sagacis> Cool!
Aug 12 02:12:10 <SpeedEvil> Umm - why?
Aug 12 02:12:12 <SpeedEvil> Oh.
Aug 12 02:12:18 <SpeedEvil> It'd need to know arms.
Aug 12 02:13:38 <togs> Tried cat /dev/ttyACM0 several times (restarting Neo). Mostly the same, but occasionally get a whole bunch of stuff... http://pastebin.ca/654076
Aug 12 02:15:20 <anrp> that's a loopback
Aug 12 02:15:29 <anrp> i sometimes see it on linux
Aug 12 02:15:40 <anrp> sometimes the kernel configures it such that its a loopback
Aug 12 02:15:48 <anrp> anyway, what did you want to do?
Aug 12 02:18:14 <sagacis> OK, no joy on setting the mrxvt font.  Giving up and trying to lie about dpi now
Aug 12 02:18:24 <togs> Am trying to "nand erase kernel" and root because of problem as in the screen dump at http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/Emerging_OpenMoko.html
Aug 12 02:19:16 <anrp> ah, ok
Aug 12 02:19:31 <anrp> get it in a state where you only get one prompt line from the cat
Aug 12 02:19:40 <anrp> (one "GTA01B4 #")
Aug 12 02:19:53 <anrp> then printf "nand erase kernel\n" > /dev/ttyACM0
Aug 12 02:20:03 <anrp> then printf "nand erase rootfs\n" > /dev/ttyACM0 after first finishes
Aug 12 02:20:12 <anrp> er, might need to be ' instead of " for printf
Aug 12 02:20:22 <anrp> you could also use minicom or another terminal program
Aug 12 02:20:34 * anrp is a small fan of the cat-printf terminal emulator though
Aug 12 02:21:51 <anrp> also, you can trick dfu-util into doing what you want, although i'm not sure what'll happen if it runs off the end of the partition
Aug 12 02:22:00 <anrp> by using an input file of /dev/zero
Aug 12 02:24:34 <DukeOfURL> what about the GSM antnna icon?  I made a call today, but the icon still showed "?".
Aug 12 02:24:39 <DukeOfURL> antenna
Aug 12 02:24:53 <cesarb> anrp: erase isn't zero
Aug 12 02:24:56 <cesarb> anrp: erase is one
Aug 12 02:25:03 <DukeOfURL> I used libgsmd-tool to make the call.
Aug 12 02:25:06 <cesarb> anrp: but there isn't a /dev/one
Aug 12 02:25:07 <anrp> both are invalid jffs2 data though
Aug 12 02:25:30 <anrp> well.... they better be
Aug 12 02:25:32 <cesarb> anrp: true, but "erasing" with zeroes means you are erasing _twice_. Which is ridiculously wasteful.
Aug 12 02:25:46 <anrp> .. alright then
Aug 12 02:26:20 <cesarb> anrp: (I'm not sure, since jffs2 probably only looks for ones as the "erased" pattern... since it's made for flash after all)
Aug 12 02:26:52 <cesarb> DukeOfURL: you are really thinking of trusting the interface at this point of time?
Aug 12 02:27:17 <sagacis> OK, I've been looking in the wrong place.
Aug 12 02:27:27 <cesarb> DukeOfURL: just expect it to get confused by everything (or at least blissfully ignore what's happening)
Aug 12 02:27:32 <sagacis> At some point, I said, "duh.  Check for a /etc/mrxvt/"
Aug 12 02:27:55 <DukeOfURL> no, I'm just asking.  Yesterday I saw the antenna without the "?" and with the two horizontal lines, but I haven't seen that since.
Aug 12 02:28:28 <sagacis> DukeOfURL: I saw that all day today while I was gprs'ing around town
Aug 12 02:28:38 <togs> anrp, sagacis, thanks for your help. Must be a brain dead cu. minicom is working just fine.
Aug 12 02:28:42 <DukeOfURL> I didn't have any audio on the call as well
Aug 12 02:29:50 <anrp> http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/neo/128mb_ff.gz
Aug 12 02:29:53 <anrp> if you need it D:
Aug 12 02:30:02 <anrp> 1024:1 compression ratio!
Aug 12 02:32:32 <sagacis> grr.  Nope.  Can't change the mrxvt font.  Going to have to live with big letters.
Aug 12 02:34:34 <sagacis> anrp, can't beat that compression!
Aug 12 02:35:52 <sagacis> g'nite.  I'm outta here.
Aug 12 02:37:04 <anrp> bai D:
Aug 12 02:37:26 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Aug 12 02:37:34 <SpeedEvil> My X has stopped rotating.
Aug 12 02:41:57 <DukeOfURL> SpeedEvil: you have a Neo?  I just got mine.
Aug 12 02:44:47 <SpeedEvil> I do.
Aug 12 02:45:58 <orzo> i just successfully built a myhelloworld pkg file and installed it and removed it from /home/root/testroot on the neo
Aug 12 02:46:35 <orzo> cool.
Aug 12 02:49:36 <DukeOfURL> sftp to the Neo doesn't seem to work.  No sftp-server.  
Aug 12 02:50:56 <SpeedEvil> scp works just fine
Aug 12 02:53:11 <raster> scp is good enough
Aug 12 02:53:18 <raster> scp + ssh together are all u need
Aug 12 02:53:25 <DukeOfURL> ok
Aug 12 02:53:35 <cesarb> fish is nice too ;-)
Aug 12 02:53:41 <cesarb> (fish:// on KDE)
Aug 12 02:55:26 <SpeedEvil> Can you tune a fish:///
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