**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 17 02:59:56 2007 Aug 17 03:00:10 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hammerhead/Protocol]] [[Main_Page]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] Aug 17 03:03:26 gpsd has a dependency on python core? Aug 17 03:04:31 no Aug 17 03:04:34 <|R> /clear Aug 17 03:04:36 <|R> oops sorry ;) Aug 17 03:04:45 gpsd can generate a python module Aug 17 03:04:53 but the daemon itself is standalone Aug 17 03:05:01 needs libc and libm, that's it Aug 17 03:05:11 I removed openembeded/packages/python, and gpsd failed... Aug 17 03:05:13 Oh Aug 17 03:05:20 --disable-python Aug 17 03:05:28 that would be easier Aug 17 03:05:31 says the guy who wrote that configure switch Aug 17 03:05:32 :) Aug 17 03:06:00 gotta re-get the code then Aug 17 03:06:16 i put that in... gosh, around 2.34, i think Aug 17 03:13:55 2.34 is the current one Aug 17 03:16:45 --disable-python is specified currently in 2.34 Aug 17 03:16:54 hm Aug 17 03:17:01 oh Aug 17 03:17:04 i remember Aug 17 03:17:23 i screwed up on the makefile and didn't totally cut out the python module building Aug 17 03:17:37 thanks ;-) Aug 17 03:18:06 packages? Aug 17 03:18:17 PACKAGES =+ "libgps python-pygps" Aug 17 03:18:30 yup Aug 17 03:18:34 RDEPENDS_python-pygps = "python-core gpsd" Aug 17 03:18:45 Should I just comment those to get a build? Aug 17 03:19:04 gpsd-2.34/Makefile.am Aug 17 03:19:05 moo. Aug 17 03:24:15 libxml2-native_2.6.28.bb depends on python-native Aug 17 03:28:35 good night. gotta work in the morning. Hopefully somebody will fix the build by afterwork Aug 17 03:41:23 testing Aug 17 04:21:48 good night Aug 17 04:32:14 moin Aug 17 04:40:35 phone is supposed to come with a stylus? Aug 17 04:40:58 yes Aug 17 04:41:06 hrm Aug 17 04:41:11 it looks like what? Aug 17 04:45:12 I think it looks like a pen, except with the stylus tip Aug 17 04:45:25 like a full size pen? Aug 17 04:45:34 with some buttons and leds? Aug 17 04:47:05 nm; it is Aug 17 04:48:07 its a pen/stylus/flashlight/laser pointer Aug 17 04:49:09 right, 'cept the laser pointer isn't :-) Aug 17 04:50:24 isnt what? Aug 17 04:51:27 flash light dull white, laser pointer dull dull res Aug 17 04:51:28 red Aug 17 04:51:38 not that it matters Aug 17 04:53:01 * linux_galore .o 0 (where is my shark) Aug 17 04:53:21 ok, suggestion for a matching kernel and rootfs? Aug 17 04:59:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_OpenMoko_Sounds]] Aug 17 05:02:11 ping? Aug 17 05:04:05 Hi all, just unpacked my neo1973 after the vacations and trying to bring it up :-) Aug 17 05:05:30 chripell: im just doing the same here Aug 17 05:05:44 discovered i had to frob rootfs and kernel, not so bad so far Aug 17 05:05:46 usb a bit iffy Aug 17 05:05:51 (cable?) Aug 17 05:06:37 cw666: I'll tell you if it's the same here. Just downloading .... Aug 17 05:07:59 ok, so i lost the keyboad on the terminal thang Aug 17 05:12:58 ok, so i lost the input keyboard widget Aug 17 05:13:08 can anyone clue me in on how i make it come back? Aug 17 05:13:17 (actually, i rebooted and this time it was gone) Aug 17 05:13:18 cw666: Yes, start the input manager Aug 17 05:14:32 CM: can i do that w/ just the stylus? Aug 17 05:14:48 Yes, at least in 2007.2 Aug 17 05:15:05 It's among all other programs Aug 17 05:15:09 20070803091138 Aug 17 05:15:22 Yes, but is it the new or the old gui? Aug 17 05:15:31 how do i tell? Aug 17 05:15:33 I've never had the imput manager disappear in the old one Aug 17 05:15:43 well, maybe it crashed? Aug 17 05:15:45 The new one looks great ;) Aug 17 05:16:02 so [menu]->applications then? Aug 17 05:16:06 Three tabs at the bottom, no menu in the upper left corner Aug 17 05:16:16 i have a meny upper left Aug 17 05:16:19 menu even Aug 17 05:16:27 Ok, then you're on 2007.1 Aug 17 05:16:37 ok Aug 17 05:16:45 But did you have Input Manager there under applications? Aug 17 05:16:46 so just get a later rootfs then Aug 17 05:17:01 CM: dont see it listed Aug 17 05:17:03 Wel.. Aug 17 05:17:11 Calling doesn't work with 2007.1 Aug 17 05:17:26 Otherwise, try rebooting and you might get it back Aug 17 05:17:32 * CM goes to work Aug 17 05:20:49 cool, python 2.5 now in openembedded: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/08/15/python-25-in-openembedded/ Aug 17 05:20:50 (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte Re: Message duplicates (was: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?) Aug 17 05:21:26 what kind of startup time does python have on openmoko? Aug 17 05:24:21 maybe 1s Aug 17 05:26:04 further starts with hello.py (print "Hello world!"): 0.27s Aug 17 05:26:16 gtk is of course more ;-) Aug 17 05:26:38 hmm, not great, but seems it takes quite a bit longer on my windows mobile device Aug 17 05:27:26 I wrote a tkinter app, which works, but it just takes so long time to start I rarely use it on the device... http://www.heikkitoivonen.net/blog/?p=11 Aug 17 05:30:30 guess I should look into pygtk at some point Aug 17 05:57:56 openembedded is still borked? Aug 17 05:59:14 I can't compile the makefile at least.. Failing on linux_2.6.21.bb Aug 17 06:00:11 mickey's 2007.2 kernel and rootfs seems to break on boot for me Aug 17 06:00:30 cw666: Oh.. What's wrong? Aug 17 06:00:38 cw666: Did you lose the boot menu? Aug 17 06:01:05 Only having Boot and Factory reset if you start while holding down Aux? Aug 17 06:01:08 afer boot menu i get a sound that sorta warbles then what looks like no window manager running Aug 17 06:01:22 well, i can't power down w/ removing battery Aug 17 06:01:23 It's slow to start.. Aug 17 06:01:24 right now Aug 17 06:01:30 Wait and see Aug 17 06:01:37 sure, slow, but this isn't happenning Aug 17 06:01:45 i wonder if some of the rootfs is hosed? Aug 17 06:01:45 * ScaredyCat slaps libmxl2 Aug 17 06:02:06 * CM protects libxml2 ;) Aug 17 06:02:13 "He's with me.." ;) Aug 17 06:02:37 yes, oth or use are useless ;) Aug 17 06:02:42 gah Aug 17 06:02:44 can i power off/reboot when it's wedged? Aug 17 06:02:52 yes, both of you are useless ;) Aug 17 06:05:05 both the new new and new makefiles fail on hte libxml2 Aug 17 06:05:25 ScaredyCat: Are you barely awake yet? Aug 17 06:05:30 CM: ok, there is a sound on boot ... that is truncated Aug 17 06:05:39 cw666: Aha Aug 17 06:05:39 so i suspect the rootfs is hosed/corrupt Aug 17 06:05:43 CM: semi-concious... Aug 17 06:05:53 but ingesting coffee as I type Aug 17 06:06:10 ScaredyCat: I can't run the 2007.2 makefile either, the kernel build fails to unpack Aug 17 06:06:22 * ScaredyCat blames libxml2 Aug 17 06:06:29 Hehe Aug 17 06:06:57 I killed that build to try the old method... Aug 17 06:07:21 so, no reset button? Aug 17 06:07:21 but tbh, i don;t think libxml was being used... Aug 17 06:07:27 that would be wonderful right now Aug 17 06:07:40 hold the power button for 10 seconds Aug 17 06:09:11 cw666: Are you running the 2007.2 images? Aug 17 06:09:28 CM: trying to Aug 17 06:09:37 CM: kernel seems fine, rootfs i wonder about Aug 17 06:09:52 Same here, I'm running one I build yesterday Aug 17 06:10:45 CM: busted rootfs? Aug 17 06:11:06 or same as in 2007.2 but working for you? Aug 17 06:11:41 I think poweroff was borked in earlier versions, but I could power mine of yesterday Aug 17 06:11:51 CM: it might be mickey|out's fault Aug 17 06:12:07 But instead the console is broken, having a huge font (As Dimitry complained about) Aug 17 06:12:10 i can get a console ovre USB? Aug 17 06:12:16 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/08/15/python-25-in-openembedded/ Aug 17 06:12:33 there's a fix for that CM Aug 17 06:13:12 ScaredyCat: I know, by setting the fontsize somewhere to 1, but I didn't see where Aug 17 06:13:25 * ScaredyCat goes looksing Aug 17 06:13:27 -s Aug 17 06:13:39 rootfs download is very slow.... is that fixed in later uboot versions? Aug 17 06:15:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#My_mrxvt_.28terminal.29_fonts_are_huge. Aug 17 06:15:41 it's for mrxvt Aug 17 06:15:45 ScaredyCat: Thanks! Aug 17 06:16:25 ou wont like it Aug 17 06:16:28 y Aug 17 06:16:32 Why? Aug 17 06:16:44 it says to rebuild after hte change... Aug 17 06:16:52 Bah! Aug 17 06:16:54 :-P Aug 17 06:17:28 I'd just try rebuilding mrxvt Aug 17 06:17:49 then install it as an ipkg Aug 17 06:20:20 ScaredyCat, you use rxvt on the neo? cool... ;) Aug 17 06:20:35 ScaredyCat, do u have a bluetooth/usb keyboard? Aug 17 06:20:50 no... Aug 17 06:21:01 at least... not yet Aug 17 06:21:06 mdt: There's an on-screen keyboard and a stroke recognizer Aug 17 06:21:24 CM, can that be combined to use with a rxvt? Aug 17 06:21:26 that stroke recogniser is not working Aug 17 06:21:47 everything is a g or s Aug 17 06:21:55 ScaredyCat: I agree.. It's not easy at all to get a char Aug 17 06:21:58 Or a 2 Aug 17 06:23:39 * ScaredyCat pokes stroke recognizer with a stick Aug 17 06:24:45 CM: ok, booting better Aug 17 06:24:46 now Aug 17 06:25:01 :-) Aug 17 06:25:58 rootfs was truncated as suspected Aug 17 06:26:21 cw666: Did you do a nand erase in between or just flash again? Aug 17 06:27:04 CM: flashed again Aug 17 06:27:08 :-) Aug 17 06:27:14 of course, stil no input thing Aug 17 06:27:25 and GIANT fonts like you Aug 17 06:27:26 No, you have to start it from the menu Aug 17 06:27:40 THe middle tab, scroll down to Input Manager Aug 17 06:28:02 Try not to start more than one.. Or you'll get annoyed Aug 17 06:28:20 it just goes to a calc Aug 17 06:28:42 Weird Aug 17 06:29:25 CM: ok, it's not starting... i choose utilities and see it Aug 17 06:29:33 but well, when i select it it doesnt start Aug 17 06:29:42 It's slow.. Aug 17 06:29:43 can i get a console over USB? Aug 17 06:29:52 Yes, definitely Aug 17 06:29:57 Just ssh in :-) Aug 17 06:30:36 console Aug 17 06:30:56 ssh == shell Aug 17 06:30:57 != console Aug 17 06:31:09 Ähh... :-P Aug 17 06:35:44 ScaredyCat: holding power button doesnt power it off :-( Aug 17 06:37:22 cw666: It should pop up a menu Aug 17 06:37:28 At least it does for me Aug 17 06:37:42 cw666, that needs 9sec to switch off hard Aug 17 06:37:51 mdt: held for over 20s Aug 17 06:37:56 cw666, oups... Aug 17 06:38:02 is it hw that does it or the kernel? Aug 17 06:38:15 Yes, it will show a menu instead Aug 17 06:38:17 Or should Aug 17 06:38:21 then there is another botton at the back, you have to open it and remove tha battery to find that one ;) Aug 17 06:38:42 mdt: if i remove the battery i dont need the button Aug 17 06:39:22 CM: for some reason i cant select the Input Manager from the list Aug 17 06:39:32 the other stuff i can Aug 17 06:39:45 cw666: Hehe.. Someone must be messing with you ;) Aug 17 06:40:03 cw666, :D Aug 17 06:40:32 hrm Aug 17 06:40:45 id just like to have a reference base sorta working system Aug 17 06:40:50 this is really pretty insane Aug 17 06:41:54 cw666: I know, me too Aug 17 06:42:05 ok, someone at work has a jtag board Aug 17 06:42:14 i guess ill get that and just build everything from the ground up Aug 17 06:42:39 CM: have you been able to make a call? Aug 17 06:44:26 No Aug 17 06:44:38 I don't have an old enough sim card Aug 17 06:44:45 ? Aug 17 06:44:54 you need a special sim card? Aug 17 06:45:04 Yes Aug 17 06:45:09 wtf Aug 17 06:45:10 really Aug 17 06:45:11 Too new won't work.. Aug 17 06:45:26 gah Aug 17 06:45:27 mine is new Aug 17 06:45:31 Yes, but it's the gsm ppl who messed that up, not openmoko Aug 17 06:46:06 There's a bug about it, and they've been working on it for a while Aug 17 06:46:43 well, it has a nice screen Aug 17 06:46:50 other than that it's basically useless :-) Aug 17 06:47:17 maybe i should send it to the blendtec people for laughs Aug 17 06:52:22 cw666: Hehe.. Aug 17 06:52:43 CM: Input Manager won't start Aug 17 06:52:47 Would be fun.. But I'm patient enough to wait for OpenMoko to get usefull Aug 17 06:53:38 CM: just beeps but does nothing Aug 17 06:53:42 kernel mismatch? Aug 17 06:54:06 at least it beeps :) Aug 17 06:54:25 wonderful Aug 17 06:57:15 Hmm.. I'm using these: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ Aug 17 06:57:28 cw666: But no guarantees at all with them Aug 17 06:57:36 can someone do me a favour? i have the same event from kernel when pushing the on/off button as when inserting the usb-cable. can someone start xev an verify that for me? (i deinstalled use x...) Aug 17 06:57:40 i wonder about the kernel version, jff2dump seeks to indicate the modules there are for 2.6.21.5-moko10 Aug 17 06:57:42 cw666: I broke my mtd1 block flashing them Aug 17 06:57:52 CM: broke? Aug 17 06:58:05 I think my uboot is bad Aug 17 06:58:18 sometimes mtdblock1 gets overwritten Aug 17 06:58:18 CM: so you need a debug board to fix it? Aug 17 06:58:39 No, but I have to ssh in and overwrite /dev/mtdblock1 with a working dump Aug 17 06:58:48 Or I won't have a boot menu Aug 17 06:59:05 And I don't have a debug board, unfortunately... Aug 17 06:59:30 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Diego]] Aug 17 06:59:36 does the screen ever dim? Aug 17 06:59:48 Yes, after a few minutes Aug 17 07:01:52 CM: ok, thanks, ill try those images Aug 17 07:02:11 cw666: I'm warning, they're only tested by me Aug 17 07:02:30 And they boot and power off, and I've tried the games Aug 17 07:02:52 But the terminal has the big fonts still Aug 17 07:03:50 i just want to get input to start with Aug 17 07:04:00 CM: wrt to old/new sim cards, what bug# is it? Aug 17 07:04:26 Can't remember.. Aug 17 07:04:33 !ombug 421 Aug 17 07:04:35 * * Bug 421, Status: ASSIGNED, Created: Unknown Aug 17 07:04:35 * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: systray applet only shows white rectangles Aug 17 07:04:36 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=421 Aug 17 07:04:42 No.. Hmm.. Aug 17 07:04:48 666? Aug 17 07:05:01 666 Aug 17 07:05:14 !ombug 666 Aug 17 07:05:15 * * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Aug 17 07:05:16 * * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability Aug 17 07:05:17 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Aug 17 07:05:21 Yes.. :-D Aug 17 07:05:25 Hell.. Aug 17 07:07:07 has anyone thought abort porting the greenphone sw over? Aug 17 07:07:33 cw666, why should one? Aug 17 07:07:59 mdt: no idea, never tried it to compare Aug 17 07:08:16 cw666, i don't think qtopia's architecture fits with openmoko Aug 17 07:08:29 mdt: how so? Aug 17 07:08:33 cw666, have u worked with a greenphone? Aug 17 07:08:55 mdt: nope Aug 17 07:09:07 cw666, qtopia is a single-app-contains-all aproach. no daemons, no unix-philosophy Aug 17 07:09:24 cw666, the build process is huge (no oe!) and not documented Aug 17 07:09:34 oe? Aug 17 07:09:36 cw666: Ask ljp Aug 17 07:09:41 k Aug 17 07:10:13 CM, did ljp take a look on qtopia also? Aug 17 07:10:33 oe == open embed, the build system for openmoko Aug 17 07:10:40 mdt: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/author/ljp/ Aug 17 07:11:42 CM, ah, i see... Aug 17 07:12:17 cw666, compared to the neo the greenphone is really closed... Aug 17 07:12:40 cw666, trolltec does not provide information on how building the flash works Aug 17 07:12:54 they do Aug 17 07:13:01 just not in the foss version Aug 17 07:13:10 ScaredyCat, no, they statet to me they don't Aug 17 07:13:21 ScaredyCat, interested in the mail communication? Aug 17 07:13:41 mdt: yeah, that's why i never got one Aug 17 07:13:48 oh, and it had some ancient 2.4.x bs kernel Aug 17 07:13:52 with closed drivers Aug 17 07:14:01 cw666, yes. that's also true Aug 17 07:14:14 not really... there's a lot of stuff I like about the greenphone, but unless you pay for the full blown development license you get closed stuff Aug 17 07:14:19 cw666, and the driver where source is missing is one of the importants ;) Aug 17 07:15:50 ScaredyCat, yes, i agree, the hardware is nice. but i startet 2 hours with the neo and immediatly dropped the greenphone. after 8 hours with the neo i was farer than after 8 weeks with the greenphone Aug 17 07:16:34 i thought the greenphone was actually a working device.. Aug 17 07:17:00 ScaredyCat, and here is the quote about building flash-image: Aug 17 07:17:00 "Please note that modifying or re-building root file system is a Aug 17 07:17:00 non-trivial task, and it is beyond our support scope. Although we can Aug 17 07:17:00 provide some hints on doing this, it is not officially supported." Aug 17 07:17:13 huh? Aug 17 07:17:21 isn;t that the fecking whole point Aug 17 07:17:24 ScaredyCat, that's what they answered me Aug 17 07:17:37 you're *supposed* to rebuild the rootfs... Aug 17 07:17:44 ScaredyCat, and my company has one of those commecial license... Aug 17 07:17:53 * ScaredyCat stabs trolltech Aug 17 07:18:49 ScaredyCat, i wondered if that is legal with gnu software... Aug 17 07:19:11 so wht they want is to build you the rootfs. then you get to change the single image file that actually runs all the phone stuff ? Aug 17 07:19:43 I doubt it's illegal. You probably get all the source for the rootfs... etc Aug 17 07:19:56 ScaredyCat, no, the rootfs only contains the linux/gnu parts. there qtopia and your (preinstalled) apps are seperate. you can build those Aug 17 07:20:01 CM: weird, i still can't start the input thang Aug 17 07:20:04 but the gpl doesn;t say "and you must explain how to build it and flash it" Aug 17 07:20:15 ScaredyCat, no, it does Aug 17 07:20:21 no.. Aug 17 07:20:31 cw666: Strange.. I used it this morning Aug 17 07:21:19 otherwise there wouldn;t be the 'tivo' issue... (which isn;t an issue imho) Aug 17 07:21:46 ScaredyCat, i read that somewhere on harald weltes page http://gpl-violations.org/ Aug 17 07:22:35 harald clearly know fa about site colouring Aug 17 07:22:44 ScaredyCat, here: "For an executable work, complete source Aug 17 07:22:44 code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any Aug 17 07:22:44 associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to Aug 17 07:22:44 control compilation and installation of the executable." Aug 17 07:23:08 ScaredyCat, quote from the gpl Aug 17 07:23:12 yes, but does not require them to *explain* the build environmnet at all Aug 17 07:23:31 ScaredyCat, oh, sorry, i did not qoute the rest, mom Aug 17 07:23:38 they don;t need to tell you what deps etc Aug 17 07:24:42 ScaredyCat, here they say they remove the script: "We do not support customers to build their own root file Aug 17 07:24:42 system. The greenphone-make-rootfs.sh script was not intended to be Aug 17 07:24:42 used by customers, and it has been removed in the latest release." Aug 17 07:25:15 which would have been fine... Aug 17 07:25:24 except they distributed it Aug 17 07:25:42 in fact... Aug 17 07:25:51 has anybody here tested their gps with gllin? was the nmea data accurate? Aug 17 07:25:58 I'm not even sure that it's not ok at all now... Aug 17 07:26:18 ScaredyCat, but i don't care anymore. the neo is so much easer to develop with... okay i'm missing the keyboard Aug 17 07:26:21 the rest of that kind of proves it's a gpl violation Aug 17 07:27:05 yeah, the neo needs some buttons... Aug 17 07:27:38 didn't I read somewhere about a bt one that you clip your phone into and it forms part of the case Aug 17 07:27:39 ScaredyCat, i would like a wheel like some sony-ericsons have Aug 17 07:27:53 the p910i has one... Aug 17 07:27:56 I hate it Aug 17 07:28:00 mdt: what images(s) are you running? Aug 17 07:28:01 it's too sensitive. Aug 17 07:28:12 ScaredyCat, :D exactly that.... i like it Aug 17 07:28:14 ScaredyCat, where GPL violation? Aug 17 07:28:21 when I go to select something it allways moves then click Aug 17 07:28:38 Dmitry_Platonov: trollteck greenphone Aug 17 07:28:54 [2007-08-17 08:24:11] ScaredyCat, here they say they remove the script: "We do not support customers to build their own root file Aug 17 07:28:54 [2007-08-17 08:24:11] system. The greenphone-make-rootfs.sh script was not intended to be Aug 17 07:28:54 [2007-08-17 08:24:11] used by customers, and it has been removed in the latest release." Aug 17 07:29:15 cw666, hm, not an image, it's changed using ipkg Aug 17 07:29:27 since the gpl requires the provision of scripts used to build, and it's been distributed, then it's a violation Aug 17 07:29:28 mdt: ok, but where did you start :-_ Aug 17 07:29:33 cw666, i use the u-boot the divice came with Aug 17 07:29:47 cw666, i use kernel 2.6.21.6-moko11 Aug 17 07:29:50 even without the prior distribution it's a violation Aug 17 07:29:55 mdt: and which rootfs with that? Aug 17 07:29:58 no its not Aug 17 07:30:22 cw666, an the packages mokomakefile builds currently Aug 17 07:30:40 cw666, there was a rootfs with that kernel but that url disapeared :/ Aug 17 07:33:03 cw666, oh, no, i'm wrong. i installed root&fs in an older version, that updated the kernel and updated the modules with ipkg. Aug 17 07:34:00 cw666, the image was named openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070612040932.rootfs.jffs2 as far as my download dir does not lie Aug 17 07:35:05 ScaredyCat, if it's "derived work" of some GPL product. Aug 17 07:35:24 cw666, i didn't get the beginning - what was your problem? Aug 17 07:35:34 the gpl has a requirement for the build scripts makefiles etc Aug 17 07:35:40 mdt: i cant get the Input Manager to start Aug 17 07:36:03 mdt: and gsm doesnt work, that probably the sim old/new issue, not sure Aug 17 07:36:08 cw666: Can you start it if you ssh in? Aug 17 07:36:12 Via usb? Aug 17 07:36:17 CM: not tried Aug 17 07:36:18 cw666, so the device boot fine? network is up? Aug 17 07:36:27 cant i use serial usb and get a console? Aug 17 07:36:48 cw666: Not while it's on I think, only if you select it from the boot menu Aug 17 07:36:57 But I might be wrong.. Aug 17 07:37:11 cw666, no, only with u-boot. after that your neo is a network device on the usb Aug 17 07:37:26 i dont have the usb ethenet network goop built on this machine Aug 17 07:37:31 i would have to rebuild it Aug 17 07:37:32 ScaredyCat: Trolltech still has sources for the root filesystem available, including the makefiles Aug 17 07:37:43 cw666, hm, that you probably have to... Aug 17 07:37:55 but not the script used to build the flash? Aug 17 07:38:21 it should be still available. but its not a GPL violation is ifs not Aug 17 07:38:36 does motorola provide its build tools? Aug 17 07:38:54 hi :) Aug 17 07:38:56 that maks no difference Aug 17 07:39:09 that's motorolas problem Aug 17 07:39:28 cw666, if you have the source code of your kernel and the same version of gcc installed as was used to compile the kernel, you can build the usb networking as a module without even needing to restart the computer Aug 17 07:39:34 "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable." Aug 17 07:39:47 cw666, the kernel options needed are listed on the [[USB Networking]] page on the wiki Aug 17 07:39:56 the debate would have to be if the flash image was regarded as an 'executable' Aug 17 07:39:59 xkr47: yeah, i know :-) but this laptop's kernel was built a long time ago on a sanely fast machine Aug 17 07:40:00 yes, and thats included in each of the packages.. Aug 17 07:40:08 cw666, doh Aug 17 07:40:11 i'll just replace the entire kernel here, not that hard Aug 17 07:40:20 ok ^^ Aug 17 07:40:35 in any case, it's another 'tivo' momnet if it's not an actual violation, it's a 'violation of the spirit' Aug 17 07:40:41 ScaredyCat: its not executable, nor is it a derived work Aug 17 07:41:57 yes, but 'for the executable to work' (ie any executable in the flash imge) you'd need to flash it to the phone Aug 17 07:42:30 since installation requires flashing.... Aug 17 07:42:50 which requires building the roofs... Aug 17 07:44:13 ... but as mdt suggested, trolltech's open and fic's open are miles apart.... Aug 17 07:44:22 I prefer fic's Aug 17 07:44:30 <_diego_> I agree Aug 17 07:44:52 I'm pretty sure having harald around stops fic doing any gpl violations :) Aug 17 07:46:12 openmoko: 03laforge * r2719 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c: make dfu-util produce a working binary on Win32 platforms Aug 17 07:46:23 hhf423_away: Aug 17 07:46:35 hhf423_away: openmoko: laforge * r2719 /trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c: make dfu-util produce a working binary on Win32 platforms Aug 17 07:46:56 he's a windows user .. ;) Aug 17 07:47:03 ScaredyCat: you do not need to 'flash' to get an executable on the system Aug 17 07:47:41 ScaredyCat: if you want to know something, Trolltech actually defended the GPL on the Greenphone... Aug 17 07:48:53 as i said: working with the neo is so much faster.... Aug 17 07:48:56 it's a moot point really... the neo just makes the greenphone look like a corporate lockin Aug 17 07:49:48 but... I still think that, based on what I've seen, you could argue it as a violation .. it's all about interpretation... Aug 17 07:50:20 I think the Greenphone was a good initiative, but didn't go the whole way and be truly open. Aug 17 07:50:21 everything is ready to go (my app needs some open source libraries) Aug 17 07:51:21 <_diego_> expecially couse they want to sell a development tools, so they don't want you be able to remove it with something else Aug 17 07:51:26 CM: I agree, it certainly got me interested, and if it hadn't been for the neo, I'd have one right now. Aug 17 07:51:27 i just bild the libs with oe where i had to crosscompile everything myself with the greenphone Aug 17 07:51:32 * xkr47 thinks interpretation should not have anything to do with gpl.. it should be clear Aug 17 07:51:48 :) Aug 17 07:51:53 xkr47: law is *all* about interpretation Aug 17 07:52:03 ScaredyCat, sadly true Aug 17 07:52:29 hmm.. well yeah to some extent.. but maybe I meant "one common interpretation" Aug 17 07:52:29 :) Aug 17 07:53:07 I interpret that as " ScaredyCat's interpretation" Aug 17 07:53:10 ;) Aug 17 07:53:24 xkr47, at the end of the day companies have to earn money. even fic has to Aug 17 07:53:40 xkr47: that's generally setting a president Aug 17 07:53:46 precedent Aug 17 07:53:49 :) Aug 17 07:53:52 git pull Aug 17 07:53:56 xkr47, and trolltech does sell qtopia. the greenphone is advertising for the development env qtopia Aug 17 07:53:56 wtf, why is the makefile trying to build /linux-omap-2.6_2.6.9-omap1.bb now Aug 17 07:53:59 oops Aug 17 07:54:09 I don't mind people making money out of os.. :P Aug 17 07:54:18 * CM sighs Aug 17 07:54:20 :) Aug 17 07:54:37 xkr47, i do either... Aug 17 07:54:40 probably for libxml2 CM ;) Aug 17 07:55:00 question is where does fic get its money? Aug 17 07:55:10 customers Aug 17 07:55:11 the devil pays them Aug 17 07:55:25 it's part of his evil plan Aug 17 07:55:37 ScaredyCat, shure... than i am one of the devils. :D Aug 17 07:56:12 all open source is evil, it gives the terrorists stuff... it's bad... think of the children, wont someone think of the children Aug 17 07:56:35 oh shit, for a moment there my brain booted into Windows. Aug 17 07:57:11 probably via a Sony rootkit Aug 17 07:57:19 woot Aug 17 07:57:49 ScaredyCat: has anyone put the binaries for a win32 dfu util somewhere? Aug 17 07:58:08 no idea, just saw the log and thought you'd want to know Aug 17 07:58:26 ScaredyCat: yes, thanks Aug 17 07:58:36 depends what it needs to build it... Aug 17 07:58:48 I have vc 6 somewhere.. Aug 17 07:59:11 yeah, somewhere :-) Aug 17 07:59:23 :P Aug 17 07:59:41 * ScaredyCat spies 'JavaScript core' in the build - Huh? Aug 17 08:00:03 webkit ? Aug 17 08:00:42 btw - is webkit inlcuded right now? Aug 17 08:00:59 anyone in here knowledgeable about the neo's gps? Aug 17 08:01:36 Kelly, why don't you ask what you want to know and we'll see how knowledgeable you need Aug 17 08:02:18 jeddy3: ping Aug 17 08:03:17 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8417344656.html - how about this? Aug 17 08:03:19 mdt it gets built it seems Aug 17 08:03:50 ScaredyCat, :D is it included in OE? Aug 17 08:04:23 dunno, I've not managed a full build twith the new new makefile Aug 17 08:04:38 webCore.. Aug 17 08:05:52 Running task 1005 of 3543 Aug 17 08:06:46 you're testing the new Makefile? Aug 17 08:06:56 omg.. my head just suffered a kernel panic Aug 17 08:07:00 "Traditionally, mobile phones based on "open" operating systems such as Linux, Symbian, and Windows Mobile have had a dual-processor architecture." Aug 17 08:07:04 ynezz: yes Aug 17 08:07:07 what? windows mobile? Aug 17 08:07:12 daMaestro, *panic* Aug 17 08:07:12 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6896388758.html Aug 17 08:07:37 ah, because you just need to update OE and rebuild new stuff Aug 17 08:08:08 ~seen rwhitby Aug 17 08:08:12 rwhitby is currently on #maemo (4d 8h 12m) #oe (4d 8h 12m) #openmoko (4d 8h 12m) #nslu2-linux (4d 8h 12m) #openjtag (4d 8h 12m) #openslug (4d 8h 12m). Has said a total of 333 messages. Is idling for 6h 16s, last said: 'ljp: I grew up in Qld, and went to UQ. Folks are still on the Gold Coast.'. Aug 17 08:08:28 ynezz: the new one can build .2 and .1 Aug 17 08:08:35 * mjr also chuckles at that articles "full QVGA" tidbit - "full quarter" :] Aug 17 08:09:32 ScaredyCat: well i just used the makefile to setup the environment, now I update and build by hand... Aug 17 08:09:41 ah k... Aug 17 08:10:03 and I've updated and build the .2 sucesfuly like 6hrs ago Aug 17 08:10:04 well for me yesturday it kept failing on libxml2 ... today... we'll see Aug 17 08:10:36 ScaredyCat: I just did a make update, make clobber and make openmoko-devel-image, it died on libxml2-native again Aug 17 08:10:37 daMaestro, note quotes around "open" :-) Aug 17 08:10:57 the sentence is just flawed to me Aug 17 08:11:19 gordonsyme: I just rm'd the dir and am trying again... iirc libxml2 is quite early on.... Aug 17 08:11:38 and I'm at task 1075 atm Aug 17 08:11:48 fingers crossed Aug 17 08:12:05 ScaredyCat: Nice, for me libxml2-native is task 580-odd Aug 17 08:12:21 ScaredyCat: I think I'll give the dir killing a go Aug 17 08:12:30 mjr: i did ask. Has anybody used their gps with gllin? if yes. Do they know if the data was accurate? Mine is out by 20km Aug 17 08:12:42 worth a go gordonsyme Aug 17 08:13:02 Kelly: how many sats? Aug 17 08:13:15 8 sats Aug 17 08:13:52 20km is a lot... Aug 17 08:14:17 ScaredyCat, gordonsyme: what branch does mokomakefile uses? org.openembedded.dev? Aug 17 08:14:17 i know, its strange. Its about 1-2km in the lat and 20km in the long Aug 17 08:14:41 ScaredyCat: Tell me if you get past the kernel.. Aug 17 08:15:02 kernel won't build? Aug 17 08:15:14 ynezz: http://rafb.net/p/D07fht23.html Aug 17 08:15:27 gah, i screwed the pointer calibration Aug 17 08:15:43 what file to a rm or whatever to have it ask me to recalibrate it again? Aug 17 08:15:51 cw666: /etc/pointercal Aug 17 08:16:01 thanks Aug 17 08:16:18 CM: isn't that wrong package? Aug 17 08:17:18 Dmitry_Platonov: http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ Aug 17 08:17:37 ynezz: I have no idea.. What I tried to do was to copy the linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.21.5-fic-gta01 to linux/defconfig, but then it totally weirds out: http://rafb.net/p/MV8aCg95.html Aug 17 08:17:37 Dmitry_Platonov: looks like org.openembedded.dev Aug 17 08:18:58 CM: don't do such things :p have you done make update? Aug 17 08:19:18 and it succesfuly completed? Aug 17 08:20:48 ynezz: Yes, and make setup Aug 17 08:21:03 ynezz: twice, before touching anything else Aug 17 08:21:09 strange Aug 17 08:21:12 I'm asking because I build images "by hand" using bitbake, and latest libxml2-native in my tree is -2.6.29 (without -r1), which builds fine. Aug 17 08:21:30 ynezz: Then I tried to remove the linux/linux dir completely, and ran make setup Aug 17 08:21:43 it's not there Aug 17 08:21:46 It re-created it, and wanted to build the omap kernel again Aug 17 08:21:51 and yes, I did mtn pull and mtn update Aug 17 08:21:59 it's bitbake, choosing wrong package somehow i think Aug 17 08:22:25 it should be some gta kernel i think, dunno off-hand Aug 17 08:22:56 Yes, it should be fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-2.6.21-r5 Aug 17 08:23:50 Hello! Aug 17 08:24:26 ynezz: Just hope I won't have to rebuild everything from scratch again.. Took 11hours last time Aug 17 08:24:46 * CM gets coffee instead Aug 17 08:25:03 openmoko: 03laforge * r2720 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (11 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 17 08:25:03 openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski Aug 17 08:25:03 openmoko: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:32:38 +0200 Aug 17 08:25:03 openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] SMSC and Preferred Storage operations. Aug 17 08:25:03 openmoko: This adds setting and retrieval of SMS storage stats (memory type, used Aug 17 08:25:05 openmoko: entries, all entries), and of the default service centre (SMSC) number for Aug 17 08:25:08 openmoko: outgoing messages. The operation of setting a new SMSC number is untested Aug 17 08:25:58 openmoko: 03laforge * r2721 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 17 08:25:58 openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski Aug 17 08:25:58 openmoko: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:00:52 +0200 Aug 17 08:25:58 openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Cell Broadcast messages enabling/disabling and notifications. Aug 17 08:25:58 openmoko: This adds GSMD_CB_SUBSCRIBE and GSMD_CB_UNSIBSCRIBE commands handling and Aug 17 08:26:00 openmoko: proper handling of th +CMTI, +CMT, +CBMI, +CBM, +CDSI, +CDS unsolicited codes. Aug 17 08:26:02 openmoko: It's also an overhaul of sms_cb.c which I first though stood for sms Aug 17 08:26:33 openmoko: 03laforge * r2722 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 17 08:26:33 openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski Aug 17 08:26:33 openmoko: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:29:44 +0200 Aug 17 08:26:33 openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Multiline unsolicited responses parsing. Aug 17 08:26:34 openmoko: +CMT, +CBM and +CDS responses two lines long in PDU mode and the parser has Aug 17 08:26:36 openmoko: problem with them. As it was mentioned earlier there's no way for the parser Aug 17 08:26:38 openmoko: to know if a new line is part of the most recent command response or Aug 17 08:26:45 lot'sof patching :) Aug 17 08:27:13 openmoko: 03laforge * r2723 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (7 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 17 08:27:13 openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski Aug 17 08:27:13 openmoko: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:39:15 +0200 Aug 17 08:27:13 openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Cell Broadcast message decoding and presentation in libgsmd-tool. Aug 17 08:27:13 openmoko: This time Cell Broadcast is tested to work, I should have made tests earlier. Aug 17 08:27:15 openmoko: Now I'm correctly getting a CB message with the human readable name of the city Aug 17 08:27:17 openmoko: and district when I'm connecting. In the previous patches the CB PDU was not Aug 17 08:27:24 nice Aug 17 08:27:32 lol Aug 17 08:27:35 openmoko: 03laforge * r2724 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/libgsmd/libgsmd.c: (log message trimmed) Aug 17 08:27:35 openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski Aug 17 08:27:35 openmoko: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:28:28 +0200 Aug 17 08:27:35 openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Correctly split long usock reads into packets. Aug 17 08:27:37 openmoko: This is a patch for an unrelated to the above discussion timing issue in Aug 17 08:27:38 openmoko: libgsmd. In particular, when the modem responds fast enough, gsmd generates Aug 17 08:27:41 openmoko: usock packets fast enough for libgsmd to read multiple packets in a single read Aug 17 08:28:06 openmoko: 03laforge * r2725 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 17 08:28:06 openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski Aug 17 08:28:06 openmoko: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:26:36 +0200 Aug 17 08:28:06 openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Operations on the preferred operators list. Aug 17 08:28:06 openmoko: This makes use of the AT+CPOL variants to add / delete / list entries in the Aug 17 08:28:06 openmoko: preferred operators list on the SIM. There's some inconsistency, similarly as Aug 17 08:28:10 openmoko: with operator selection, in that we return operator names in long Aug 17 08:28:43 openmoko: 03laforge * r2726 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (6 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 17 08:28:43 openmoko: SIM Phonebook access implementation. Aug 17 08:28:43 openmoko: This patch adds primitive-but-working support for SIM phonebook access, Aug 17 08:28:43 openmoko: including phonebook memory storage and entry read/write/delete. Also, Aug 17 08:28:43 openmoko: libgsmd-tools shell is modified to perform listing actions. Aug 17 08:28:43 openmoko: API changes: Aug 17 08:28:45 openmoko: lgsm_pb_read_entryies -> lgsm_pb_read_entries Aug 17 08:29:28 whooaah! Aug 17 08:29:43 openmoko: 03laforge * r2727 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (Makefile.am gsmd.c): Implement GSMD version printout (Matt Mets ) Aug 17 08:30:19 openmoko: 03laforge * r2728 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Use vendor specific ext_chars. Aug 17 08:30:21 oh crap Aug 17 08:30:39 openmoko: 03laforge * r2729 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: Wait for the AT Interpreter Ready message. Aug 17 08:30:40 gordonsyme: NOTE: Running task 1179 of 3543 (ID: 3523, /home/moko/newBuild/openembedded/packages/libxml/libxml2-native_2.6.29.bb, do_compile) Aug 17 08:30:56 openmoko: 03laforge * r2730 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/vendor_tihtc.c: HTC TI modem sequence fixlet. Aug 17 08:31:15 openmoko: 03laforge * r2731 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/vendor_qc.c: Ignore [WCDMA] messages in HTC Universal. Aug 17 08:31:16 pong Aug 17 08:31:22 ScaredyCat: d'oh, I'm still checking out after the clobber. Ah well, it'll give my comp something to do :) Aug 17 08:31:25 it's like 12 patches i think :p Aug 17 08:31:33 it's moved gordonsyme Aug 17 08:31:48 ScaredyCat, pong :) Aug 17 08:31:48 the configure worked... Aug 17 08:32:00 openmoko: 03laforge * r2732 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/gsmd.h src/gsmd/atcmd.c): mlbuf in gsmd struct (Andrzej Zaborowski) Aug 17 08:32:01 jeddy3: just building agin... Aug 17 08:32:11 Yup, saw that ScaredyCat :/ Might as well let it build to that point anyway Aug 17 08:32:12 configure on libxml2 worked Aug 17 08:32:17 ScaredyCat, it's working again? Aug 17 08:32:40 openmoko: 03laforge * r2733 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Add retrieving phone's own subscriber number. (Andrzej Zaborowski) Aug 17 08:32:48 I'll tell you in a minutes jeddy3 Aug 17 08:35:08 NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29: failed Aug 17 08:35:59 so no jeddy3, it's not Aug 17 08:36:05 ScaredyCat, aight Aug 17 08:36:45 rwhitby-n800: Time for a question on the makefile? Aug 17 08:37:34 looks like an old problem too jeddy3 Aug 17 08:37:50 look at the date here: http://openwrt.pastebin.ca/641775 Aug 17 08:37:54 ScaredyCat, why is that? Aug 17 08:37:58 ScaredyCat, ah Aug 17 08:38:46 so either florian fixed his issue... Aug 17 08:39:15 which probably means we have to shoot rwhitby-n800 or something Aug 17 08:39:31 How are the FIC crowd building OM-2007.2? There must be a workaround for this Aug 17 08:39:31 or it'll never go away... Aug 17 08:39:43 good morning Aug 17 08:39:48 what version of python have you all got? Aug 17 08:39:55 :o Aug 17 08:40:05 florian: are yo the same florian... http://openwrt.pastebin.ca/641775 ? Aug 17 08:40:30 2.5 i think Aug 17 08:40:56 ScaredyCat: no Aug 17 08:41:12 i'm 3356/3522 Aug 17 08:41:21 florian: that's a shame... Aug 17 08:41:43 openmoko@mokomaker:~$ python --version Aug 17 08:41:43 Python 2.5.1 Aug 17 08:41:50 gordonsyme, jeddy3 ? Aug 17 08:41:53 I have 2.4.4 Aug 17 08:42:05 Python 2.5.1 Aug 17 08:42:06 2.5.1 Aug 17 08:42:10 boom Aug 17 08:42:17 Surely it shouldn't be using my system python though Aug 17 08:42:34 the official word is that rm_work doesn't work in bb 1.8 (which is required for OM-2007.2) Aug 17 08:42:56 /usr/include/python2.5/intobject.h:44: Aug 17 08:43:03 As in, shouldn't everything be self-contained within the openmoko distribution Aug 17 08:43:06 so better free up some disk space now ... Aug 17 08:43:31 rwhitby-n800: Will it break anything if you do have it in the local.conf? Aug 17 08:44:04 no, leave it in Aug 17 08:44:27 it may work soon, RP willing ... Aug 17 08:44:35 I noticed :-) Aug 17 08:44:49 * ScaredyCat points rwhitby-n800 at libxml2 errors Aug 17 08:45:06 rwhitby-n800: My problem with the Makefile right now is that it wants to build an omap1 kernel, no idea why: http://rafb.net/p/MV8aCg95.html Aug 17 08:45:10 ScaredyCat: s.e.p. Aug 17 08:45:30 it's been in there since at least 1st august. Aug 17 08:45:33 rwhitby-n800: pushed ;-) Aug 17 08:45:48 is there a python version dependancy ? Aug 17 08:47:22 RP: wil that make rmall work too? Aug 17 08:47:50 rwhitby-n800: It removes rmall, rw_work does everything you need Aug 17 08:48:21 CM: ok, i can see the input managerr is running Aug 17 08:48:29 but no keyboard widget is visible... Aug 17 08:48:42 RP: even if I've built stuff without rm_work, and want to clean it up without rebuilding from scratch? Aug 17 08:48:46 cw666: Try killing it and restart Aug 17 08:49:01 CM: im bac on 2007.1 ... what is the way to do that? Aug 17 08:49:04 to kill and restart it? Aug 17 08:49:12 the 'right' way i should say Aug 17 08:49:28 Hmm.. I don't know the right way, I usually just ssh in and kill it Aug 17 08:49:29 rwhitby: rm_work now has all the functionality rmall had Aug 17 08:50:14 RP: I see no changes on a berlios 1.8 branch checkout - is there a delay on berlios for anon svn ? Aug 17 08:50:28 (I'm at r907) Aug 17 08:50:36 rwhitby: Thats the latest Aug 17 08:50:43 CM: right, did that Aug 17 08:50:52 CM: this has got to me a user (me) error Aug 17 08:51:00 like i cant even see how to start it again from the GUI Aug 17 08:51:10 from ssh i can start it again, but it complains Aug 17 08:51:39 RP: and the change is on the bitbake-1.8 branch? Aug 17 08:52:09 rwhitby: I didn't enable the bit that needs the change but yes, it was checked in yesterday Aug 17 08:52:10 (cause we have an import-bitbake target in the nslu2-linux Makefile, which pulls it from svn and puts it in our org.nslu2-linux.bitbake branch, and it showed no changes) Aug 17 08:52:26 rwhitby: The changes I checked in were to rm_work.bbclass Aug 17 08:52:38 RP: ah, so it was enabled in OE. thanks. Aug 17 08:52:41 RP: I get a lot of these now: ERROR: QA issue: libcurl.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed) Aug 17 08:52:55 CM: Not my department ;-) Aug 17 08:53:01 Didn't get it yesterday. (Updated to r907) Aug 17 08:53:03 Aha :) Aug 17 08:59:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[User_talk:HaraldWelte]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]] [[User:Holone]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Oslo]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt_Main]] and other changes Aug 17 09:02:03 wich images is the best way to go for 2007.2? mickeys? Aug 17 09:03:19 To clean up your om2007.2 build dir, do: cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image Aug 17 09:03:37 that should free up some GBs of space Aug 17 09:04:00 and make sure you have INHERIT += "rm_work" in build/conf/local.conf for all future builds. Aug 17 09:04:28 RP: seems to be working nicely - thanks! Aug 17 09:06:35 rwhitby: Unfortunately I get this: ERROR: Task /home/moko/openembedded/packages/dfu-util/dfu-util-native_svn.bb (do_rm_work) has circular dependency on /home/moko/openembedded/packages/ipkg/ipkg-native_0.99.163.bb (do_rm_work) Aug 17 09:07:42 rwhitby: noticed http://pastebin.ca/660418 ? Aug 17 09:07:47 rwhitby: something strange with the makefile there. Aug 17 09:09:57 * CM stops whining and restarts from scratch again Aug 17 09:10:15 CM im getting the same error .. Aug 17 09:10:29 CM: What was the command you used exactly? Aug 17 09:10:40 * ScaredyCat pokes CM with a whining inducing taser Aug 17 09:10:46 cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image Aug 17 09:10:59 RP: The one rwhitby suggested ^^ Aug 17 09:11:05 As ScaredyCat said Aug 17 09:11:50 ScaredyCat: to fix that libxml2 error, just delete unpacked libxml2 sources in tmp/work/armv4t-* and all libxml2* files in tmp/stamps Aug 17 09:11:56 it worked for me Aug 17 09:12:05 :o Aug 17 09:12:11 * ScaredyCat tries Aug 17 09:13:02 * XorA wonders why matchbox panel fails to start on 2007.2 Aug 17 09:13:49 it's some strange ./configure error i got also with some other packages aswell Aug 17 09:14:14 ixs: s.e.p. Aug 17 09:15:09 Is Neo1973 OpenSource? Aug 17 09:15:29 rwhitby: is it? bitbake? Aug 17 09:16:13 doesn;t fix it here ynezz Aug 17 09:16:40 hm, pastebin the log Aug 17 09:17:34 the discussion on openmoko-apps is very funny.... they discuss using gps for unmuting the ringer on the neo where not even the gsm is working... :D Aug 17 09:18:23 ynezz: http://pastebin.ca/660799 Aug 17 09:18:52 ah it's different error :) Aug 17 09:19:11 line 61. Aug 17 09:20:19 XorA: It failed for me once, but worked when I rebooted Aug 17 09:21:22 CM: as far as I can see its trying to start the non existant mb-panel 1 Aug 17 09:22:10 CM: I can't reproduce the circular dependencies... Aug 17 09:22:31 RP: It's ok, I'll try again from scratch, rebuilding everything Aug 17 09:22:54 RP: I haven't touch anything since it built yesterday, so I can't say what's wrong. Aug 17 09:22:58 ScaredyCat: ah, just noticed it's for host, i686 not for arm :p Aug 17 09:23:35 trying to rebuild now Aug 17 09:23:36 * ScaredyCat slaps ynezz with a large wet fish Aug 17 09:23:56 * rwhitby reclaims 3GB instantly with rm_work Aug 17 09:24:57 ScaredyCat: and it's for .2, right ? :p Aug 17 09:25:07 yes Aug 17 09:25:36 * ScaredyCat uses all ynezz's disk space for porn.. oh wait.. it's full of that already.. Aug 17 09:26:32 build fine Aug 17 09:26:36 :p Aug 17 09:26:40 RP: im having the same circular dependencies problem ... i have not enough space to complete the build without rm_work Aug 17 09:27:20 C7_: With bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image Aug 17 09:27:25 ? Aug 17 09:27:26 ScaredyCat: but i'm using MasterMakefile... Aug 17 09:27:43 mastermakefile? Aug 17 09:27:48 yes Aug 17 09:28:08 anyway my OE_REVISION="84bfe..." Aug 17 09:28:08 RP: and with INHERIT += "rm_work" Aug 17 09:28:54 ScaredyCat: yes, the one mentioned on .2 wiki page and it's used to build images on nslu2-linux Aug 17 09:29:16 http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/branches/OM-2007.2/Makefile Aug 17 09:29:51 what's your OE_REVISION? Aug 17 09:29:54 ynezz: both fail on libxml2 for me... previously i used the same one as you with no problems... now it doenslt work Aug 17 09:29:56 ynezz: you should probably use the alpha mastermakefile now - I can't guarantee the nslu2-linux master makefile will continue to work for openmoko in the way that people here will expect Aug 17 09:30:11 s/alpha mastermakefile/alpha mokomakefile/ Aug 17 09:30:11 rwhitby meant: ynezz: you should probably use the alpha mokomakefile now - I can't guarantee the nslu2-linux master makefile will continue to work for openmoko in the way that people here will expect Aug 17 09:30:45 rwhitby: well i've used it to setup the environment, will do that by hand Aug 17 09:31:04 and want to modify it for ep93xx builds also Aug 17 09:31:07 C7_: Can you pastebin the output showing your "OE Build Configuration" Aug 17 09:31:32 erm... Aug 17 09:31:48 what should my MACHINE = be, still the fic_gta01 ? Aug 17 09:32:04 mine is also Aug 17 09:32:17 what's your oe_revision? Aug 17 09:32:59 RP: http://pastebin.ca/660808 Aug 17 09:33:09 rwhitby: could it be a problem if I continue to use mtn pull from monotone on nslu2? Aug 17 09:34:19 ynezz: no, it should be synced every 10 minutes with monotone.openembedded.org Aug 17 09:34:28 ok, fine Aug 17 09:34:34 if you want to build multiple OE distro's then feel free to continue using it. Aug 17 09:34:42 wtf is the damn structure of that cmd Aug 17 09:34:59 mtn db version db OE.mtn Aug 17 09:35:47 stupid asshat monotone... Aug 17 09:36:03 what sort of gimp thinks mixing command types is a good idea Aug 17 09:46:22 segfault in matchbox-panel-2 is why its not starting Aug 17 09:48:14 were you talking to me ynezz? Aug 17 09:51:05 * SpeedEvil cues the Robert DeNiro voice option for ScaredyCat. Aug 17 09:51:08 C7_: Thanks, I'll try and have a look when I get a minute Aug 17 09:51:26 ScaredyCat: yes Aug 17 09:51:52 my oe rev is 84bfe56f75bc502e743ed650739a0764fffe433a Aug 17 09:52:18 SpeedEvil: get that voice changer implemented for the neo then please ;) Aug 17 09:52:38 ScaredyCat: I think I have managed to get past the dreaded libxml2-native compile! Aug 17 09:52:51 gordonsyme: ! Aug 17 09:52:59 are you sure... Aug 17 09:52:59 Indeed :) Aug 17 09:53:09 it occurs much later in the build Aug 17 09:53:16 Give me a _little_ more time Aug 17 09:53:21 (or did for me) Aug 17 09:53:26 wat did you change? Aug 17 09:53:42 go to the unpacked libxml2-native source Aug 17 09:53:47 * CM is Running task 221 of 3542... *sigh* Aug 17 09:53:48 Yay, my Neo is on São Paulo already! Aug 17 09:53:50 ~xkcd Aug 17 09:53:51 [xkcd] http://xkcd.com/281/ Aug 17 09:53:57 build/tmp/work/i686-linux/libxml2-native-2.6.29-r1/libxml2-2.6.29 Aug 17 09:54:15 then edit include/libxml/xmlversion.h Aug 17 09:54:19 cesarb: Todays xckcd and the one before were truly funny :) Aug 17 09:54:28 s/xck/xk/ Aug 17 09:54:29 CM meant: cesarb: Todays xkcd and the one before were truly funny :) Aug 17 09:54:57 search for LIBXML_CATALOG_ENABLED and change the #ifdef 0 to #ifdef 1 so that the XML catalog support is enabled Aug 17 09:55:29 CM: I liked 303 more... I've so done that so many times :D Aug 17 09:55:58 ScaredyCat: diff is Aug 17 09:56:01 @@ -219,7 +219,7 @@ Aug 17 09:56:01 * Aug 17 09:56:01 * Whether the Catalog support is configured in Aug 17 09:56:01 */ Aug 17 09:56:01 -#if 0 Aug 17 09:56:01 +#if 1 Aug 17 09:56:04 #define LIBXML_CATALOG_ENABLED Aug 17 09:56:06 #endif Aug 17 09:56:06 ScaredyCat: isn't that problem distro related? i686 should use host compiler/env right? Aug 17 09:56:08 Aug 17 09:56:35 I wonder what's gordonsyme, ScaredyCat distro :p Aug 17 09:56:47 gordonsyme: http://pastebin.ca/ is nice some times *hint* :) Aug 17 09:57:09 CM: true, but it's only wafer-thin :) Aug 17 09:57:12 point taken though Aug 17 09:57:16 openmoko: 03laforge * r2734 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (Makefile.am machine.c vendor_bcm.c): Add Broadcom BCM2132 vendor plugin (Alex Osborne) Aug 17 09:57:44 * ScaredyCat hands gordonsyme a bonus Aug 17 09:57:51 openmoko: 03laforge * r2735 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: Aug 17 09:57:51 openmoko: Change alive check and first commands to bare "AT" Aug 17 09:57:51 openmoko: The BCM2132 responds ERROR to ATV and ATE when it is in the radio off Aug 17 09:57:51 openmoko: mode (AT+CFUN=0). This causes the alive check and first command to both Aug 17 09:57:51 openmoko: fail so this changes them both to just bare AT. (Alex Osborne) Aug 17 09:58:15 openmoko: 03laforge * r2736 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/gsmd.h src/gsmd/atcmd.c src/gsmd/vendor_bcm.c): Add a flag to allow LFCR as a valid linebreak. (Alex Osborne) Aug 17 09:58:39 ScaredyCat: you're welcome Aug 17 09:58:41 LFCR? Aug 17 09:58:43 * CM wonderw who is Alex Osbonre and what does it do to http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cellular/3G-Baseband-Processors/BCM2132 Aug 17 09:58:49 That's... strange Aug 17 09:58:52 openmoko: 03laforge * r2737 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/libgsmd/Makefile.am: Aug 17 09:58:52 openmoko: Add Headers to pkginclude (Philipp Zabel ) Aug 17 09:58:52 openmoko: src/util/pin.h is a local header to libgsmd-tool. The pin.h Aug 17 09:58:52 openmoko: header of libgsmd is in include/libgsmd. Aug 17 09:58:52 openmoko: The attached patch adds libgsmd/sms.h and pin.h to the list of Aug 17 09:58:52 openmoko: installed headers. Aug 17 09:59:13 openmoko: 03laforge * r2738 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: Change copyrigt to OpenMoko and contributors Aug 17 09:59:36 strange gsm :p Aug 17 10:00:08 gordonsyme: can you stick it on the wiki .. Aug 17 10:00:11 for others Aug 17 10:00:27 Sure, whereabouts? Aug 17 10:00:52 on the om2007.2 page? Aug 17 10:00:58 at the bottom ? Aug 17 10:01:11 CM: Treo650 Aug 17 10:01:19 NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29-r1: task do_compile: completed Aug 17 10:01:19 NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29: completed Aug 17 10:01:25 The thing that confuses me is that I changed the bitbake file for libxml2-native to enable catalog support in the ./configure of the package but it didn't seem to make a difference Aug 17 10:01:35 rwhitby: Ok :) Aug 17 10:01:41 Alex is working on getting openmoko to run on a Treo 650 I believe. Aug 17 10:01:59 hhhmmm... tis odd then gordonsyme Aug 17 10:02:01 * rwhitby is following that development *very* closely Aug 17 10:02:09 Hehe, I can imageine ;) Aug 17 10:02:44 might have to port/recompile POSE to openmoko Aug 17 10:04:36 6 gig reclaimed and couting :-) Aug 17 10:04:47 ScaredyCat: I may have fluffed something. I don't think so since I did a `make clobber` before rebuilding. rwhitby? Aug 17 10:04:48 counting even Aug 17 10:05:31 rwhitby: It just failed for me, as usually. So I did a clean rebuild as usually. I'll let you know in 10 hours how it went.. ;) Aug 17 10:06:04 * rwhitby hugs debian etch as the most stable OE build host os ... Aug 17 10:06:27 ITYM rwhitby hugs debian etch as the most stale OE build host os ... Aug 17 10:06:30 s/etch/retch/ Aug 17 10:06:31 *there, fixed that for you* Aug 17 10:06:34 rwhitby: debian is stable as more than just a OE build host... Aug 17 10:06:35 rwhitby: :P ;) Aug 17 10:06:39 ScaredyCat: *g* Aug 17 10:06:46 rwhitby: it's so stable it can take years to be release ;-) Aug 17 10:07:16 you guys may laugh, but who's the one with both 2007.1 and 2007.2 building flawlessly ... ?? hmmm? Aug 17 10:07:36 (and, of course, after it's released, a new kernel version, a new glibc version, and a new xorg version are released simulteneously just to mock the debian users) Aug 17 10:07:57 rwhitby: me :) Aug 17 10:08:14 rwhitby: WORKSFORME is worthless coming from the main developer. I have thousands of little glue scripts for an ISP which would probably fail everywhere else. I still consider these bugs. :D Aug 17 10:08:45 ixs: lucky I'm not the main developer, but just an OE user like most people here. Aug 17 10:08:55 * cesarb is still a debian fan, even though I have switched to Kubuntu already Aug 17 10:09:09 rwhitby: ohh? really? okay, belay then then pls. Aug 17 10:09:47 note that my only linux UI is emacs inside an ssh session, so the different variants of Linux don't usually hold much appeal to me. Aug 17 10:09:49 it's his dodgy makefiles you need to watch out for ixs ;) Aug 17 10:10:22 I use debian on the desktop, xubuntu on the laptop Aug 17 10:10:47 ScaredyCat: That what I was referring to, main developer of the makefile. Aug 17 10:11:02 openSuse 10.2 on laptop... will confess to poobuntu on mokomaker Aug 17 10:11:02 ohh my, and he is using emacs as well? THE HORROR! :D Aug 17 10:11:17 ixs: ah, none of the problems so far have been makefile problems :-) Aug 17 10:11:26 hi all Aug 17 10:11:44 ixs: you'd better wash your keyboard after typing "make" - that Makefile was developed in emacs. Aug 17 10:11:45 rwhitby: they have, you just didn;t setup the build environment :P Aug 17 10:12:03 rwhitby: Don't worry, I just pulled it out of the dishwasher (IBM Model M). Aug 17 10:12:45 oh, I forgot that rm_work fix... pah! Aug 17 10:13:19 I'w almost finish a applet for panel. where can I publish it? Aug 17 10:13:29 anywhere.. Aug 17 10:13:34 if you want I can host it Aug 17 10:13:37 ok :) Aug 17 10:13:45 yoyo: projects.openmoko.org, assuming it's working now. Aug 17 10:13:57 ScaredyCat: so what's your distro? Aug 17 10:14:19 don;t you have to wait a year rwhitby, for the project to be accepted - maybe it just feels like it ;) Aug 17 10:14:25 rwhitby: I try ed tree times :/ Aug 17 10:14:30 ynezz: which machine? Aug 17 10:14:38 with libxml2 problem Aug 17 10:14:44 poobuntu Aug 17 10:14:59 what's that? Aug 17 10:15:01 rwhitby: mhm. but now, back to serious things: does the makefile has something like "clean buildchain et all, but leave stuff like monotone db in place"? Aug 17 10:15:07 but it seems fixed with gordonsyme's fix Aug 17 10:15:16 ynezz: I had the same libxml2-native problem, Ubuntu Feisty Aug 17 10:15:20 ynezz: ubuntu in brown Aug 17 10:15:32 yes.. Aug 17 10:16:26 yoyo... do you want me to host it until it appears on projects? Aug 17 10:17:15 * ScaredyCat turns on the heating.. Aug 17 10:17:19 getting cold now :( Aug 17 10:17:38 ScaredyCat, all others with libxml2-native compile issues: I've updated the OpenMoko2007.2 wiki page. I'll update it again when my build finishes and I know what the effects are :) Aug 17 10:17:48 ScaredyCat: I don't have a problem to host it ore something. I whose joust wandering where to put it to public. THX :) Aug 17 10:18:05 ixs: "make clobber" Aug 17 10:18:12 gordonsyme: good good, jeddy3 will need it too methinks Aug 17 10:18:21 yoyo: ok... no probs... Aug 17 10:18:26 ixs: nothing in the makefile ever removes the mtn database Aug 17 10:18:27 o.O Aug 17 10:18:33 indeed :) Aug 17 10:20:03 rwhitby: thx. Aug 17 10:20:05 rwhitby: at what point does the rm_work kick in with that command? Aug 17 10:20:23 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r125 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Added clobber-bitbake to the clobber target Aug 17 10:20:25 ScaredyCat: that's not what ixs asked for Aug 17 10:20:33 i know... Aug 17 10:20:41 i mean cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image Aug 17 10:20:44 I haven't added the rm_work target yet Aug 17 10:20:52 nor the prefetch target Aug 17 10:21:48 :D Aug 17 10:22:11 ScaredyCat: that command runs through the dependencies of openmoko-devel-image, and runs rm_work on each of them in turn Aug 17 10:22:43 it builds them too right? Aug 17 10:23:20 no Aug 17 10:23:26 erm.. you sure Aug 17 10:23:33 since you've told it to only do rm_work Aug 17 10:23:59 unless rm_work depends on the build steps somehow, which is not unreasonable Aug 17 10:24:10 methinks it might Aug 17 10:24:30 * rwhitby puts the kids to bed Aug 17 10:25:21 yoyo: what does your panel app do ? Aug 17 10:26:10 ScaredyCat: front end for xrand ( -o ) rotate screen :) Aug 17 10:26:35 cool... Aug 17 10:26:54 tap tap 2 rotates? Aug 17 10:27:03 tap agian ...etc Aug 17 10:27:22 ScaredyCat: I alsow finishing bluetooth applet Aug 17 10:27:27 :o Aug 17 10:27:42 My english is purr Aug 17 10:27:59 not a problem... Aug 17 10:28:10 we can help with any translations etc.. Aug 17 10:28:17 ScaredyCat: Yes tab (panel ico) -> tab a orientation Aug 17 10:28:29 :) Aug 17 10:28:43 Can you make it generic? Aug 17 10:28:45 strange, i've feisty also :p Aug 17 10:29:05 Do you want test version? Aug 17 10:29:14 ya please Aug 17 10:29:20 binary source? Aug 17 10:29:23 small config file, with pngs, maybe an html usemap or something, and several scripts Aug 17 10:29:37 ipkg to test is fine for the mo.. Aug 17 10:30:23 Something like "Rotate rotate.png rotate1.png rotate.sh unrotate.sh" Aug 17 10:30:52 ScaredyCat: At the present I build it in a not bitbake style :/ making .bb file for project with configure files is to difficult to my :/ Aug 17 10:31:01 SpeedEvil: huh? yoyo has an app. Aug 17 10:31:13 one min. pleas Aug 17 10:31:18 okies Aug 17 10:31:20 I mean to make it more generic. Aug 17 10:31:20 ynezz: if it builds don't complain :) Aug 17 10:31:38 So it could also do 'gps with strace' as well as 'rotate' Aug 17 10:34:58 ok on http d3p.pl/tmp/moko_panel_rotate_070817_1233.tar.bz2 Aug 17 10:36:07 it is a binary with dir structure. to start it, extract and edit /etc/matchbox/session ,add to applet "moko-panel-rotate" Aug 17 10:38:41 thanks. Aug 17 10:38:54 Currently I just have scripts jammed in the input selector Aug 17 10:42:13 So it keeps rotating the same way? Aug 17 10:43:21 Cap_J_L_Picard: yyy after tab on ico app shows a menu with 4x items Aug 17 10:45:01 It work for some? Aug 17 10:46:10 Ah so it depends on which icon? That's a nice idea. Aug 17 10:56:39 Cap_J_L_Picard: /usr/share/moko-panel-rotate/Rotate.png Aug 17 10:56:52 I must be doin gsomehting wrong Aug 17 10:58:24 Sorry I'm on a old horrible mobile, so I can't follow links. Aug 17 10:59:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[GPS]] [[Hardware:AGPS]] [[Openstreetmap]] [[Main_Page]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Carriers]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Oslo]] Aug 17 11:00:52 * ScaredyCat sees the error ... Aug 17 11:00:54 ho Aug 17 11:00:57 doh even Aug 17 11:01:58 * CM hopes glibc wont fail this time Aug 17 11:02:02 mmm... Aug 17 11:04:11 yoyo... Aug 17 11:04:16 ? Aug 17 11:04:33 I have the panel app installed but no icon Aug 17 11:05:10 added it to the --end-applets= line Aug 17 11:05:27 ScaredyCat: in tar.bz2 file there is a dir tree share copy it Aug 17 11:05:35 yes.. Aug 17 11:05:50 copied contents of share to /usr/share Aug 17 11:05:56 lib to /lib/ Aug 17 11:06:20 Damn, glibc failed again after almost 1h.. Aug 17 11:06:40 * CM builds qemu to fix it (Stupid build sytstem...) Aug 17 11:07:22 yoyo: works fine for me, nice application! Aug 17 11:07:26 do I can past here cmd? Aug 17 11:07:46 http://pasbin.ca Aug 17 11:07:49 arrg Aug 17 11:07:52 http://pastebin.ca Aug 17 11:09:38 lol, i figured out the gps error :-) Aug 17 11:10:52 a typical nmea sentence: $GPGGA,123519,4807.038,N,01131.000,E,1,08,0.9,545.4,M,46.9,M,,*47 Aug 17 11:11:13 * SpeedEvil ponders Aug 17 11:11:23 france? Aug 17 11:11:34 No Aug 17 11:11:36 its not my coords Aug 17 11:11:38 sweden? Aug 17 11:11:41 ah Aug 17 11:11:59 4807.038,N = Latitude 48 deg 07.038' N Aug 17 11:12:10 yes, I know. Aug 17 11:12:16 I was trying to visualise a globe Aug 17 11:12:37 i was moving the decimal place two digits to the right and taking it to mean 48.04038 degrees. Aug 17 11:13:11 common error. Aug 17 11:13:26 idiot :P Aug 17 11:14:30 you learn something everyday :-) it works now and im happy to say it is...you guessed it..spot on Aug 17 11:15:17 and to save you visualising a globe im from melbourne australia Aug 17 11:15:38 Ah - australia's moved then. Aug 17 11:15:52 * SpeedEvil updates his globe. Aug 17 11:17:40 is there any good reason that nmea mixed DMS and decimal? Aug 17 11:20:51 Is Neo1973 OpenSource? Aug 17 11:20:57 No. Aug 17 11:21:02 Openmoko is an opensource OS. Aug 17 11:21:16 Thanks. Aug 17 11:21:37 The phone itself doesn't have available diagrams Aug 17 11:21:43 * ScaredyCat pokes yoyo Aug 17 11:22:04 ? Aug 17 11:22:22 any ideas? Aug 17 11:22:50 ScaredyCat: ideas for what? Aug 17 11:23:06 CM: doing 10million locales now... Aug 17 11:23:23 yoyo: why the applet does not appear? Aug 17 11:24:33 ScaredyCat: if you explayn my how to make .bb file to bitbake I wheel make a ipk file Aug 17 11:25:54 i have no idea how to build the .bb file.. someting I need to look at Aug 17 11:26:15 yoyo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_a_package_from_existing_sources Aug 17 11:26:25 yoyo, this helped me alot Aug 17 11:26:55 mdt: that is a for a one file app, app not a .so Aug 17 11:27:17 is this for .2 or .1 ? Aug 17 11:27:20 ScaredyCat: I hope mine will too in about 30 minutes or so. glibc is such a pain.. Aug 17 11:27:54 Still can't figure out why building qemu with bitbake fixes the locales issue Aug 17 11:27:58 yoyo, you how to build those _dev and _doc packages? Aug 17 11:28:02 is have -j4 and 8 Aug 17 11:30:47 ScaredyCat: you need ( /usr/lib/matchbox-panel/libmoko-panel-rotate.so* and /usr/share/moko-panel-rotate/Rotate.png ) and for example in /etc/matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets=openmoko-panel-mainmenu,systray,startup --end-applets=moko-panel-rotate & Aug 17 11:31:31 that's what I have (althouh I have more --end-applets too Aug 17 11:32:22 ScaredyCat: it should work. do you get some errors? Aug 17 11:34:00 http://pastebin.ca/660930 Aug 17 11:34:06 yoyo ^^^ Aug 17 11:34:25 * rwhitby flashes freshly built 2007.2 Aug 17 11:34:53 ahhh /usr/lib Aug 17 11:35:14 yes :] Aug 17 11:36:46 * ScaredyCat blames rwhitby anyway Aug 17 11:39:31 magically, it works yoyo Aug 17 11:39:36 pretty icon Aug 17 11:39:37 :) Aug 17 11:40:24 ScaredyCat: THX it is my http://d3p.pl/2006_green/index.php?dir=19&lang=pl Aug 17 11:41:33 :) nice icons Aug 17 11:42:17 shadow ones lok nice... Aug 17 11:43:31 * CM sighs really loud Aug 17 11:44:06 glibc ? Aug 17 11:44:19 Yes, always segfaults on NOTE: generating locale es_NI (UTF-8) Aug 17 11:45:00 those darn Spanish :P Aug 17 11:45:16 Is there no way to limit just to en_US (UTF-8) or something? Aug 17 11:45:43 didn;t you build that manually before? Aug 17 11:45:48 with qemu ? Aug 17 11:45:50 I'm guessing the problem is that I don't have the es_NI locale installed natively on my box.. But that shouldn't make the build env fail Aug 17 11:46:14 ScaredyCat: I did before, as XorA said, and it worked that time Aug 17 11:46:17 no.. but I think there are a few like that - seems like that was our libxml2 isue Aug 17 11:46:36 what if you happen to have them... ready built.. ? Aug 17 11:46:36 Now I got: qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting Aug 17 11:46:52 The locales? Don't know.. Aug 17 11:49:02 * CM mumbles "Nobody expects the spanish inqusition".. Aug 17 11:49:16 :D Aug 17 11:49:40 so can;t you just do what you did last tyime? Aug 17 11:49:42 time Aug 17 11:49:54 ScaredyCat: I did exactly the same thing Aug 17 11:50:27 make build-qemu ; make clean-package-glibc ; make openmoko-devel-image Aug 17 11:51:33 Guess I have my self to blame, running bitbake HEAD. Definitely alpha state still, if even that Aug 17 11:52:48 have you looked at the .bb file to see if it specicifies locales for the build? Aug 17 11:53:30 ScaredyCat: Hmm.. I guess it failes to get patches: http://rafb.net/p/DAbEZn71.html Aug 17 11:53:34 rwhitby: mhm. looking into my build problems: seems like current bitbake svn is hosed. Is there a way of using MokoMakefile with the system installed bitbake? Aug 17 11:53:55 Hi guys... I am still having trouble with librsvg, openembedded say that the openmoko pango version needs to be updated Aug 17 11:53:57 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2748 Aug 17 11:54:03 can anyone help? Aug 17 11:54:08 ixs: I have never, ever, used a system installed bitbake, so I do not know. Aug 17 11:54:22 There is provision in the makefile for setting a specific revision of bitbake if you need to. Aug 17 11:54:33 rwhitby: Why not try by changing the path in setup_env? Aug 17 11:54:58 rwhitby: mhm. do you take patches for your makefile? Aug 17 11:55:06 CM: one could try that. I cannot recommend using a system installed bitbake for any purpose. Aug 17 11:55:14 ixs: sure Aug 17 11:55:17 rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/660943 is what I'm seeing here. Aug 17 11:55:35 rwhitby: well, I'm the bitbake maintainer for fedora, thus I cannot share your recommendation. :D Aug 17 11:55:49 ~fish glibc_2.5.bb Aug 17 11:55:58 * apt slaps glibc_2.5.bb around with a large trout Aug 17 11:55:58 :-) Aug 17 11:56:08 rwhitby: the log looks not as if it's bitbake though, but I'm gonna look into that a bit. Aug 17 11:56:12 ixs: you must be quite busy keeping up with it then :-) Aug 17 11:56:20 rwhitby: yeah, I hate it. :D Aug 17 11:56:37 I've never found a distro version even close to what was required to build .dev head. Aug 17 11:56:49 but I've been on vacation somewhat the last month or so, thus the package has been lacking upgrades... Aug 17 11:56:51 (but I didn't look at Fedora) Aug 17 11:57:10 rwhitby: That's because you're running debian *hide* ;) Aug 17 11:57:16 rwhitby: I just pushed out 1.8.6 on monday or so... *g* Aug 17 11:57:40 ixs: and it's already out of date ;-) Aug 17 11:58:08 rwhitby: not really. 1.8.7 has not been officially released yet. Aug 17 11:58:10 bitbake and OE are so tightly coupled, and bitbake is used for nothing else, so I don't see the point in packaging it. Aug 17 11:58:10 *phew* Aug 17 11:58:33 but I'm sure others appreciate your work Aug 17 11:58:48 rwhitby: uhm. bitbake seems to be used by other tools as well, at least I have that feeling regarding the bugreports people are sending me asking for updates to head. Aug 17 11:59:11 ixs: really? that's news to me. what other things are using bitbake? Aug 17 11:59:25 (i don't doubt you, I'm just interested) Aug 17 11:59:32 * zecke too Aug 17 11:59:49 rwhitby, I'm building .dev head with distro's bitbake 1.8.6 Aug 17 12:00:27 Dmitry_Platonov: you just be using lots of disk space, with rm_work not working in 1.8.6 ;-) Aug 17 12:00:28 rwhitby: Honestly, I have no idea. I only use it for OE myself. Aug 17 12:01:07 rwhitby: I'd have to look in closed RFE bugs to see what people were using it for. Aug 17 12:01:08 seriously, RP, zecke and co. do a good job with the stable branch, so I am being a bit facetious. Aug 17 12:01:26 When glibc fails to generate locales, and building qemu doesn't help, where should I look next? http://rafb.net/p/DAbEZn71.html Aug 17 12:01:39 * ScaredyCat points at the dustbin Aug 17 12:01:53 * CM pokes ScaredyCat Aug 17 12:02:00 Yoink! Aug 17 12:02:01 * xzcvczx be back from snow Aug 17 12:02:40 rwhitby: rm_work works just as well with 1.8.6 as it does with 1.8.7 atm Aug 17 12:02:54 I wish it'd just generate the locales in alphabetical order, then at least you'd know how far you'd got Aug 17 12:03:07 ScaredyCat: There is a GLIBC_BROKEN_LOCALES = "es_NI sid_ET tr_TR mn_MN gez_ET gez_ER bn_BD te_IN" Aug 17 12:03:20 ! Aug 17 12:03:22 rwhitby: It does seem to have found some problem in the dependency handling code though. I'm trying to get to the bottom of it but all I seem to manage is 200MB log files :-( Aug 17 12:03:23 RP: ah, that's right, it was a .dev update not a bitbake update. my mistake. Aug 17 12:03:23 where? Aug 17 12:03:31 Oups, sorry. I added the es_NI there to see Aug 17 12:03:46 In the glibc_2.5.bb file Aug 17 12:03:47 ahh Aug 17 12:03:54 try that :) Aug 17 12:04:03 or list ALL the others :) Aug 17 12:04:52 ScaredyCat: Still fails on es_NI, as always.. Aug 17 12:05:15 Guess I have to give up for a few days until things settle a bit. :-( Aug 17 12:05:18 clear out the tmp/work/ dir for glibc Aug 17 12:05:35 and the stamps/glibc one too Aug 17 12:05:45 you need it to re-run ./configure Aug 17 12:06:23 make clean-package-glibc you mean? :) Aug 17 12:06:30 bleh Aug 17 12:06:53 Ok, we'll see in another hour if that helps.. Aug 17 12:07:00 1h per locale will take a while Aug 17 12:07:23 * CM does some real work instead. (And pouts a little) Aug 17 12:08:25 * ScaredyCat ssh's into CM's machine and removes es_SV Aug 17 12:10:27 * xzcvczx ssh's into ScaredyCat's machine and rm -rf / 's his system Aug 17 12:11:18 * ScaredyCat releases the dogs Aug 17 12:11:26 eat me Aug 17 12:11:39 * ScaredyCat releases the dogs with bees in their mouths.. so that when they bark they shoot bees Aug 17 12:11:44 hello everybody, i'm new to openmoko, I hope i can have any help here or help anybody :) Aug 17 12:11:51 lol smoooth Aug 17 12:11:54 * * OM Bug 712 has been created by mike(AT)blueroot.co.uk Aug 17 12:11:55 * * librsvg build fails Aug 17 12:11:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=712 Aug 17 12:12:00 xzcvczx: I hope that means something different where you are Aug 17 12:12:58 CN is canadian right? Aug 17 12:13:29 I bet their locale is a_eh, b_eh, c_eh Aug 17 12:13:36 ScaredyCat: meh i am 13000 feet above mercer Aug 17 12:13:54 if you can tell me where that is i will give you a dollar] Aug 17 12:13:56 wow, you're tall Aug 17 12:14:08 ScaredyCat: and falling at a rate of 120mph Aug 17 12:14:21 or 200fps Aug 17 12:14:40 denali ? Aug 17 12:14:51 denali? Aug 17 12:15:02 frames per second? Aug 17 12:15:09 where the filho de puta is denali Aug 17 12:15:21 blindcoder: lol you friggin geek its feet per second Aug 17 12:15:46 I knew that! I totally knew that!!1! Aug 17 12:15:54 feet per second? Aug 17 12:16:04 Nobody uses that :) Aug 17 12:16:09 http://www.7summits.com/denali/tips.php Aug 17 12:16:21 no, it's m/s/s Aug 17 12:16:47 ScaredyCat: meh if i use fps it throws you off where i am Aug 17 12:17:01 sounds like you're in a movie Aug 17 12:17:02 as we ditched imperial many moons ago Aug 17 12:17:24 ahh, you must be in atlantis Aug 17 12:17:43 yeah cos only a perfect world uses metric :P Aug 17 12:18:01 erm ... Aug 17 12:18:08 anyway is midnight saturday here so i am off to find a nice bar to drink at Aug 17 12:18:25 adios amigos..... Aug 17 12:18:29 midnight saturday? damn, it's friday noon here Aug 17 12:18:30 bloody foreigners..... Aug 17 12:18:30 hm m/s/s m/s^2 so he is accelerating I guess? Aug 17 12:18:57 * ScaredyCat smears xzcvczx in wassabi Aug 17 12:18:57 ScaredyCat: how bout a nice cup of STFU and since we are well ahead of you in time i should say that we are more advanced than you Aug 17 12:19:06 * xzcvczx snorts wasabi and gets high Aug 17 12:19:23 no, just older and more decrepid Aug 17 12:19:32 lol nice try Aug 17 12:19:33 note: debugging ps3 software whilst hungover is hard. Aug 17 12:19:48 ewon: openmoko for ps3 eh?\ Aug 17 12:19:58 stupid languange anyway Aug 17 12:20:10 xzcvczx: no, this is my day job :) Aug 17 12:20:22 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r126 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Enable download and flashing of 2007.2 images for qemu Aug 17 12:20:48 ewon: meh we shoudl convince FIC ot make cell baesed fones Aug 17 12:21:04 xzcvczx: except we'd need rather large batteries. Aug 17 12:21:08 meh my engrish is getting crap due to too much alcys so i am going to leave you to it Aug 17 12:21:16 ewon: meh i got 240 volts here Aug 17 12:21:19 :P Aug 17 12:21:27 * xzcvczx staggers out Aug 17 12:24:04 hi, does anybody have the gllin binary for gps ? Aug 17 12:24:05 Derbot2: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 17 12:24:13 taipei 101 Aug 17 12:24:53 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r127 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Fix the download-images target to get 2007.2 images Aug 17 12:25:53 CIA-20: was that for me ? Aug 17 12:26:06 CIA-20 is a bot Aug 17 12:26:16 :) Aug 17 12:26:25 so, anybody has gps working ? Aug 17 12:26:39 just received my neo today and i'm eager to test this out Aug 17 12:27:19 so the openmoko doesn't ship with the gps binary? Aug 17 12:27:39 ewon, yes. Aug 17 12:27:40 Derbot2: the gllin binary is propriety licensed software of Global Locate, and was mistakenly provided on P0 developer pre-release phones. It is not available freely, as FIC has not closed licensing negotiations with Global Locate (according to the latest information on the mailing list about this issue) Aug 17 12:28:20 so is the gps usable without this binary? Aug 17 12:28:26 no Aug 17 12:28:32 heh Aug 17 12:28:38 interesting. Aug 17 12:29:10 i was just wondering if somebody published it somewhere.. Aug 17 12:29:31 if they did they would be not too smart Aug 17 12:29:52 rwhitby: probably Aug 17 12:30:09 question2: what openmoko images are you using ? Aug 17 12:30:34 the ones I have built myself with the MokoMakefile multi-generational alpha version Aug 17 12:30:51 does gsm dialer work? Aug 17 12:31:03 not on my device, no. Aug 17 12:31:44 i've got only one-way voice by now using libgsm-tool but it seems it's a alsa problem Aug 17 12:31:58 ScaredyCat: Now it fails on NOTE: generating locale de_AT@euro (ISO-8859-15) instead.. No point in continuing. :( Aug 17 12:32:18 * CM waits until bitbake handles locales Aug 17 12:32:37 just do "es_ de_ " etc to eliminate all others Aug 17 12:32:56 ie be less specific Aug 17 12:33:24 it's probably your useless 64 bit hardware :P Aug 17 12:35:56 Naa.. I'll bet it's my gentoo install, where I dropped all locales except sv_SE and en_US Aug 17 12:36:11 minin' Aug 17 12:36:23 CM: this is you "D'oh!" Aug 17 12:36:33 Only another 1000 or so bitbake tasks left before my 2007.2 build finishes Aug 17 12:37:03 Ah, gentoo. Guaranteed to be different to everyone else's install of the same distro :-) Aug 17 12:37:07 Are we building today? Aug 17 12:37:22 yes Aug 17 12:37:25 rwhitby: Isn't it a pleasure to debug? ;.) Aug 17 12:37:58 speaking of debugging, can someone test the new 2007.2-aware qemu targets? Aug 17 12:38:00 But the question remains, why does bitbake fail to build glibc now, when it has worked 15 times before Aug 17 12:38:15 CM: cause OE.dev is a moving target? Aug 17 12:38:17 And why does it depend on my locales to build? Aug 17 12:39:03 CM: cause no-one has tried to build it on a gentoo-with-all-locales-dropped distro before ;-) Aug 17 12:39:16 Äh, cowards.. Aug 17 12:39:24 * CM puts on a ricer hat Aug 17 12:42:02 Yay! libxml2-native worked! Aug 17 12:42:20 Ok, it's late. Gotta go! Aug 17 12:42:20 And viewmtn on openembedded.org is down.. Aug 17 12:42:26 sagacis: straight out of the box or with mods? Aug 17 12:42:37 straight out of the box, I built past that.... Aug 17 12:42:45 boo, Aug 17 12:42:48 Sorry, it didn't. Aug 17 12:43:01 gordonsyme: Do we have mods that work yet? Aug 17 12:43:33 Yup, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#libxml2-native_fails_with_xmlCatalogPtr_errors Aug 17 12:44:14 I was just loading up that page.... Aug 17 12:47:12 hey folks, what version of subversion should I be using? Aug 17 12:47:59 I'm on 1.4.3 and that seems to work Aug 17 12:48:22 I have 1.4.2 from Debian etch, and that seems to work too Aug 17 12:48:41 though I noticed a MotoMakefile error complaining that it couldn't do "svn info" on a URL Aug 17 12:48:55 More likely a problem with the URL than subversion Aug 17 12:49:16 hmm, actually, it works here Aug 17 12:49:22 I must have an old version pinned or something at home Aug 17 12:49:36 What target is this against? Aug 17 12:49:41 the error I get is "svn info only works on working directories" Aug 17 12:49:59 but on this machine, I can feed svn urls Aug 17 12:50:01 rwhitby, how to test? Mokomakefile alpha? Aug 17 12:50:09 yep Aug 17 12:50:31 ahha Aug 17 12:51:10 umm, I think it was "openmoko-devel-image" Aug 17 12:51:19 but I'm thinking now that my system was out of wak Aug 17 12:51:55 juco: mokomakefile itself doesn't call svn info anywhere, but perhaps the bitbake svn fetcher does Aug 17 12:52:22 yay, building with the patch.... Aug 17 12:52:27 later Aug 17 12:52:46 sagacis: cool Aug 17 12:54:01 rwhitby, thanks, I'm still learning how bitbake works Aug 17 12:54:13 juco: so am I Aug 17 12:57:17 jgm: Aug 17 12:57:25 Hey Aug 17 12:57:54 * * OM Bug 713 has been created by  Aug 17 12:57:55 * * openmoko-libs-0.4.0+svnnow-r0_2367-do_compile Aug 17 12:57:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=713 Aug 17 12:58:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#libxml2-native_fails_with_xmlCatalogPtr_errors Aug 17 12:58:16 Oh cool Aug 17 12:58:19 fixed my build (so far) Aug 17 12:59:04 Will give it a shot now and see what happens. I want an OM2007.2 build so that I can start integrating the extensions manager (and even some extensions!) Aug 17 12:59:12 :D Aug 17 13:00:05 rwhitby, hm I can't find info about alpha mokomakefile location on the web & maillist, so how can I get it? Aug 17 13:00:30 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Supported_microSD_cards]] [[P1_Owners]] Aug 17 13:00:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 under "How to build" Aug 17 13:00:39 * ScaredyCat spots prism-firmware-1.0 Aug 17 13:01:56 this builds so much quicker with bb parallel build at 8 Aug 17 13:02:08 * CM tries to build glibc again, now with 247 masked locales Aug 17 13:02:18 Hmm. Aug 17 13:02:21 Interesting. Aug 17 13:02:21 ScaredyCat: what machine are you building on? Aug 17 13:02:27 4GB 'sort of works'. Aug 17 13:02:32 haa first, at last!! first received file from GUI over bluetooth using panel applet !! yyyyhaaa ^,^ Aug 17 13:02:34 (microSD) Aug 17 13:02:52 yoyo: nice Aug 17 13:02:53 dual Xeon 2.4hgz Aug 17 13:02:57 2gb ram Aug 17 13:03:10 it's flying along Aug 17 13:03:24 I may bump up my bb parallel build then. I set it to 4 on my Core2 Duo Aug 17 13:03:28 yoyo: nice! Aug 17 13:03:44 * Sup3rkiddo chugs along an athlon xp Aug 17 13:04:07 gordonsyme: yeah I went from 4 to 8 just to see... it's so much better :) Aug 17 13:04:25 yoyo: Good work dude :D Aug 17 13:04:41 ScaredyCat: I'm going to wait for the current build to finish first, 3146 of 3543 :) Aug 17 13:04:47 :) Aug 17 13:04:51 now I need do add some dialogs Aug 17 13:04:54 yeah.. good idea :) Aug 17 13:04:57 ScaredyCat, it's much faster if bb spends much time downloading compared to building Aug 17 13:05:10 I'm considering buying a new box just so that I can build OM faster :/ Aug 17 13:05:16 yoyo: does it confiure blootooth too ? (your app) Aug 17 13:05:21 yoyo: where is the code? This was the corner i was interested in. We need vnote support for 'kind of' instant chatting with mobile phones Aug 17 13:05:31 cool, first test of 4GB card! Aug 17 13:05:59 I'm waiting to hear the details behind 'sort of works' Aug 17 13:06:01 Dmitry_Platonov: well downloads race, but I have most of the sources anyway... still flies Aug 17 13:06:16 maybe time to update *vs* pages Aug 17 13:06:22 jgm: I have a dedicated box... I call it mokomaker Aug 17 13:06:37 aloril was that in email to list? Aug 17 13:06:39 DPThought: at the present time: configurations from gui: (bt on/off) public/hidden, recive file/not Aug 17 13:07:07 I'm down to a single box (plus a laptop), too much power/heat/floorspace otherwise. Plus it gives me an excuse to build a new box every couple of years :) Aug 17 13:07:19 The question is: do I wait for Barcelona? Aug 17 13:07:27 ScaredyCat: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards and from there http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=93#c13 Aug 17 13:07:34 AMD?!? :| Aug 17 13:07:57 jgm: I doubt that wait would be worth it. Aug 17 13:08:03 Yeah, two reasons. One: it may be faster. Two: it may cause Intel to drop their prices Aug 17 13:08:19 * CM bets on nr 2 Aug 17 13:09:32 yoyo: where is the source? I will not be able to hack anything atm but i would like to see how it is structured Aug 17 13:09:52 yoyo: or did you just test? Aug 17 13:10:41 I don't use AMD processors, but I don't like them... Aug 17 13:10:44 rwhitby, I've seen It, just was in hope there is new Makefile "to rule them all" Aug 17 13:10:44 DPThought: 10 min pleas Aug 17 13:10:58 but it isn't processor flames channel. Aug 17 13:11:04 Any_Key: there is. Aug 17 13:11:20 the alpha version is multi-generational Aug 17 13:11:34 any processor that creates flames can't be good.. unless it's in a kitchen Aug 17 13:11:50 yoyo: no hurry, just enthusiasm Aug 17 13:12:28 I just want the best CPU in a decent price bracket. The manufacturer is pretty much irrelevant for me (in fact if there was a decent desktop system based on Niagra that could run Ubuntu I'd be sorely tempted...) Aug 17 13:12:36 DPThought: I'm now slicing sources for more files. Aug 17 13:12:48 J-23: I use AMD processor and i hate it :P Aug 17 13:12:57 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r128 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Added prefetch-sources and remove-work targets Aug 17 13:13:01 Basheri: ;) Aug 17 13:13:04 woohoo!! Aug 17 13:13:13 jgm: Agreed. AMD was best for 3 years, but that's only because NetBurst sucked horribly ;) Aug 17 13:13:24 ~emulate rwhitby Aug 17 13:13:27 Well, my work here is done. Aug 17 13:13:31 Hehe Aug 17 13:13:37 night all Aug 17 13:13:41 night Aug 17 13:13:42 ~help Aug 17 13:13:44 night Aug 17 13:13:44 Night Aug 17 13:13:49 good job rwhitby Aug 17 13:13:50 day Aug 17 13:13:52 he doesn't know about P0: http://itconservative.blogspot.com/2007/08/development-device.html Aug 17 13:13:55 ~night Aug 17 13:13:56 G'night cm, get out of here. Aug 17 13:14:11 Heh, maybe I should even if it's just 15.14 Aug 17 13:14:16 ~rot13 Good night! Aug 17 13:14:16 Tbbq avtug! Aug 17 13:14:21 * CM gets some coffe Aug 17 13:14:30 ho can i re-build a specific packege? uicmoc (some qt stuff) fails while linking to libz. So i hink i should try rebuiling libz, maybe there is something wrong Aug 17 13:14:48 ~+chan #zapalki Aug 17 13:15:09 aloril: that's pure P0-envy Aug 17 13:15:21 DPThought, make build-package- > Aug 17 13:15:30 rebuild-... even Aug 17 13:15:42 (btw.. I think above blog might be 'fake' blog, like fake steve blog) Aug 17 13:16:01 ~ufo Aug 17 13:16:02 i guess ufo is Marcin Aug 17 13:16:06 aloril that's the lamest blog ever... Aug 17 13:16:12 Sup3rkiddo: thx Aug 17 13:16:23 ~linux Aug 17 13:16:24 [linux] the cure for cancer, AIDS and slavery to corporations Aug 17 13:17:04 ~Sup3rkiddo Aug 17 13:17:20 phew!...saved Aug 17 13:17:57 ~Poland Aug 17 13:18:56 Poland is a poor European country ;) Aug 17 13:18:56 * Sup3rkiddo has a kiddish script to inject pacakges to the image Aug 17 13:18:58 ~Poland Aug 17 13:19:31 mm... Aug 17 13:19:42 J-23: don't by wylewny i przesadzajacy :P Aug 17 13:20:01 apt: Poland is Poland is a European country Aug 17 13:20:02 ScaredyCat: okay Aug 17 13:20:07 ~Poland Aug 17 13:20:07 Poland is a European country Aug 17 13:21:40 ScaredyCat: bugger task 3182 failed (qt4-x11-free_4.3.0.bb) Aug 17 13:21:47 btw. since when is QT used in openmoko? I have never seen anything suggesting this. Aug 17 13:21:50 :/ Aug 17 13:21:57 J-23: country might be poor, but their politicians are the craziest in EU i think, but I like polish people, and mainly girls! :D Aug 17 13:22:09 can't you mask it Aug 17 13:22:10 ? Aug 17 13:22:27 AFAIK it's listed as dependency of webkit Aug 17 13:22:31 my local council prints stuff in two languages, English and Polish Aug 17 13:22:38 stupid webkit Aug 17 13:22:45 XorA: lol Aug 17 13:22:53 you must live in UK then Aug 17 13:22:54 DPThought: qmake is used to build webkit Aug 17 13:22:56 Poland2 :p Aug 17 13:23:01 ynezz: Scotland Aug 17 13:23:02 XorA: ah Aug 17 13:23:06 same :p Aug 17 13:23:14 ynezz: where are you? Aug 17 13:23:22 you live in either Poland or Norwich ;) Aug 17 13:23:27 20km from Poland, Czechia :) Aug 17 13:24:03 * XorA is just waiting for Polish restauraants Aug 17 13:24:41 what was the error gordonsyme ? Aug 17 13:25:35 * J-23 has been half-flooded by server with list of TP (Telekomunikacja Polska, Polish Telecomunication) users :( Aug 17 13:26:05 that means nothing Aug 17 13:26:11 could be some paki also Aug 17 13:26:19 using just the zoombies in poland Aug 17 13:26:49 * ScaredyCat slaps ynezz Aug 17 13:26:51 since 10% have windows legaly and patched it's quite easy target Aug 17 13:27:13 J-23: i like polish vodka. ;) But i never was there to have a opinion on the people. I guess i would like them very much. (I had a really good time with some polish and czech people in czechia, and i'm sure i would loke vodka better than becherova) Aug 17 13:28:51 CRAP. uicmoc4-native still does not build. zlib is there. but '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz' (more detail http://pastebin.com/d32604610) Aug 17 13:29:07 btw can you hury up and fix that problem gordonsyme ... I'm nearly there :) Aug 17 13:29:39 DPThought: :)) Aug 17 13:29:59 ScaredyCat: sorry, I'm stumped at the moment, need more time to investigate what's going on Aug 17 13:30:00 DPThought: i think it's looking for zlib in qt Aug 17 13:30:40 DPThought: qt carry own zlib also, depends on how qt has been configured Aug 17 13:31:04 DPThought: you are on an debian system? Aug 17 13:31:06 ynezz: the problem is. i don't know (yet) how the buildsystems makes it's sandbox and how much i have to care about such issues. zlib was build, shouldn't it be in the library path? Aug 17 13:31:32 fgau: yep, unstable crap. setting up the new build box this WE Aug 17 13:31:51 it's all just bb recipes Aug 17 13:31:59 ScaredyCat: http://pastebin.ca/661015 Aug 17 13:32:08 DPThought: had the same error Aug 17 13:32:18 you can check configure option in work/*/temp/package/ dir Aug 17 13:32:34 ynezz: i have the feeling i will like bb some time... :) Aug 17 13:33:27 it's OM2007.1 ? Aug 17 13:33:30 DPThought: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 , and then make the apt-get install from the list Aug 17 13:34:18 fgau: oh, there where some missing. thx Aug 17 13:34:19 or make setup-host-debian Aug 17 13:34:32 DPThought: thats solve the zlib issue Aug 17 13:34:44 (if that's target also in your makefile) Aug 17 13:35:24 ynezz: my makefile does nt have this target. installing the list from the wiki. thx Aug 17 13:35:57 ynezz: it's the new alpha version makefile Aug 17 13:36:10 ah Aug 17 13:41:25 anyone here get their moko delivered by UPS :) http://consumerist.com/consumer/videos/how-ups-delivers-when-youre-not-watching-290438.php Aug 17 13:42:45 ewon: nice Aug 17 13:42:55 I can't blame the ups guy, though. Aug 17 13:43:27 Homeowner has time to install multiple security cameras, but can't trim the ginormous bushes around the walkway. Aug 17 13:44:23 in fairness, UPS guy didn't know about the cameras Aug 17 13:44:26 I'd assumeso it se Aug 17 13:44:31 eww, sorry Aug 17 13:44:54 I always try to 'shift+home type' in irssi Aug 17 13:47:18 is it normal (in the us or wherever this was) that they just dump your package in front of your house? No delivery service here in germany will give you any package without getting a signature from anyone to make sure he delivered it. If they loose a pacakge and don't have the signature from the receiver they have a problem Aug 17 13:47:50 you can fake the sign anyway, don't you? Aug 17 13:47:56 DPThought: I have seen this in TV, instead of ringing the bell, they just deliver to the basement (shop) :) Aug 17 13:48:11 ynezz: yest. But then it's not longer the problem of the delivery guy. ;) Aug 17 13:49:02 i had some part time job in similar company, and it's even worse in depots :p Aug 17 13:50:09 but they are lazy assholes here too. May times they don't even try ringing you but throw you a notice in your postbox that says they could not deliver and you have to get it from the post office. (That is true for the german post/dhl, not so much the others) Aug 17 13:52:57 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r129 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Fixed the rootfs_wildcard for om2007.2 Aug 17 13:56:21 ynezz, fgau: uicmoc4-native has build. But it is very bougus. I get dozends of messages like "ERROR: QA issue: libltdl.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed)". I will just ignore them for now. But this looks bad. Aug 17 13:57:17 where did you mask uboot, again? Aug 17 13:57:37 local.conf ? Aug 17 13:57:47 BBMASK="blah" Aug 17 14:01:32 i ran into the same as DPThought with uicmoc Aug 17 14:02:40 gah, I did a `make update` and now there are circular dependencies in the bb files Aug 17 14:03:00 how do the main developers build this? Aug 17 14:03:08 luck Aug 17 14:03:13 and prebuild deps Aug 17 14:03:38 gordonsyme: I hit this earlier too Aug 17 14:03:52 ScaredyCat, thanks Aug 17 14:04:04 CM: is there a fix? Aug 17 14:04:06 gordonsyme: Didn't find a way around it, so I just cleaned out the whole dir and restarted from scratch Aug 17 14:04:28 gordonsyme: I'm sure there is a fix some way, but i couldn't figure it out Aug 17 14:04:45 omg - I just found the ohter keyboard.... Aug 17 14:05:02 CM: just the openembedded/packages dir? Or everything? Aug 17 14:05:26 gordonsyme: Try that first, and see if it helps Aug 17 14:05:51 gordonsyme: I'm a real OE noob, so I just cleaned everything out Aug 17 14:06:11 CM: you and me both, I only started building this in anger yesterday :) Aug 17 14:06:44 Hehe.. I've built it about 20 times, but it's never been as broken as it has this last week Aug 17 14:09:54 gordonsyme: Damn, now I got that circular thing again.. *sigh* Aug 17 14:10:34 CM: and oddly it's gone for me... I bet qt4-x11-free-4.3.0-r5 will fail again though :/ Aug 17 14:10:56 CM: and there it goes Aug 17 14:10:56 http://rafb.net/p/W9p8Wm50.html Aug 17 14:11:03 ^^^ errors i am having from the latest makefile. Aug 17 14:12:01 so nobody here has done a successful setup of the devtools? this is very frustrating .. i'm trying to get onto some application development for the neo, but its not quite there yet .. Aug 17 14:12:27 I think rwhitby has been able to build it, but I don't know of anyone else Aug 17 14:13:09 question: how hard is to port packages from openwrt to openmoko ? Aug 17 14:13:24 * CM guesses a recompile Aug 17 14:13:26 ok i'm starting from scratch again then in case its just a mixup with makefile versions .. Aug 17 14:13:51 CM: probably, i saw the arch in openwrt makefiles Aug 17 14:29:01 torpor: I really can't get it to compile with INHERIT += "rm_work" Aug 17 14:29:36 Without it it starts, but I'm sure it will fail on glibc in a few hours Aug 17 14:29:54 * CM finished up work and heads for home Aug 17 14:30:15 CM: Lucky you :P Aug 17 14:36:23 * Stephmw finished work last friday, it's alll good. Aug 17 14:38:56 ruimoreira: Whishes he had his neo so he could start working in it :P Aug 17 14:40:20 CM / gordonsyme Aug 17 14:40:20 | configure.ac:73: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_GCONF_SOURCE_2 Aug 17 14:40:20 | If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. Aug 17 14:40:20 | See the Autoconf documentation. Aug 17 14:40:20 | autoreconf: /home/moko/newBuild/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/autoconf faile Aug 17 14:40:25 oops... Aug 17 14:43:36 hi all Aug 17 14:43:58 god damn I hate autotools Aug 17 15:00:10 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] [[Main_Page/kr]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_groups:_Boston]] [[OpenMoko_Local_groups:_Boston]] [[MokoMakefile]] Aug 17 15:03:48 CM: any joy building? Aug 17 15:08:19 yay, weekend! Aug 17 15:08:31 hehe, lucky guy Aug 17 15:14:59 CM: I got that circular reference problem too.. Aug 17 15:15:12 I guess you need 55TB to build this Aug 17 15:16:09 ScaredyCat: were you able to build qt4-x11-free-4.3.0-r5? CM suggests removing your openembedded/packages dir and doing an update to get around the circular ref problem Aug 17 15:16:28 which works for me, but I have to do it every so often :/ Aug 17 15:16:29 gordonsyme: did you get any problems with openmoko-contacts2 ? Aug 17 15:16:56 ScaredyCat: I don't believe so, though it's possible I just haven't gotten there yet Aug 17 15:17:12 that seems like a painful method of fixing the prob :) Aug 17 15:17:23 tell me about it... Aug 17 15:22:05 I'd also be interested to know what effect the change we made to libxml would have on people who didn't have the initial problem Aug 17 15:22:25 Indeed, although hopefully they didn't make the change :) Aug 17 15:23:17 :) Aug 17 15:23:26 got any clue on : configure.ac:73: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_GCONF_SOURCE_2 Aug 17 15:23:37 Sorry, haven't encountered that one Aug 17 15:23:47 ScaredyCat: probably need to build gconf Aug 17 15:24:14 Does anybody know how to prevent a given package from being built by bitbake? Aug 17 15:24:16 surely that should be built if it's required... Aug 17 15:24:40 ScaredyCat: you are getting a lot of "odd" errors that seem to indicate what your building isnt a clean tree Aug 17 15:25:10 XorA: then the build process is bad. Aug 17 15:33:47 ScaredyCat: no, if you feed it garbage the garbage will come out Aug 17 15:34:29 hence the build process is bad. since that is what should be building gconf Aug 17 15:34:40 ScaredyCat: the big hint was if you org.oe.dev was removed and repulled then that fixed a huge error, that means people are failing to use source control Aug 17 15:35:35 what error did that fix? Aug 17 15:35:47 it didn;t fix anything... Aug 17 15:35:51 apparently a circular dependancy Aug 17 15:35:57 Ive been busy and Im reading back Aug 17 15:36:22 XorA: removing the contents of openembedded/packages and doing an update gets around that one Aug 17 15:36:41 I'm sure it could be narrowed down to a few subdirs but I'm lazy Aug 17 15:36:48 gordonsyme: but seeing as that directory is under source control, that means garbage has been fed into that directory from somewhere Aug 17 15:36:59 gordonsyme: if you see my point Aug 17 15:37:22 must be. I know it isn't me though. I only have what the build process checks out Aug 17 15:37:56 is this all with MokoMakefile? Aug 17 15:38:11 yup, admittedly the beta MokoMakefile for 2007.2 Aug 17 15:38:51 points to a bug in MokoMakefile, or a lack of cleaning between 2007.1 and 2007.2 Aug 17 15:38:55 but it's not the mokomakefile's fault... Aug 17 15:39:12 it's doing a bitbake openmoko-image Aug 17 15:39:28 ScaredyCat: it is its fault if what it feeds to bitbake is bullshit Aug 17 15:39:48 ScaredyCat: and the fact that when removed and redone fixes it, indicates what was originally there was crap Aug 17 15:39:49 it feeds the command bitbake openmoko-image... Aug 17 15:40:03 ScaredyCat: it also governs the checkouts Aug 17 15:40:11 ScaredyCat: and in 2007.1 patched stuff Aug 17 15:40:38 if all it did was bitbake xxx then why do people use it :-) Aug 17 15:40:47 XorA: it could be anything run by bitbake... I would hope that there aren't bitbake recipes that edit any of the .bb files but you never know... Aug 17 15:41:15 gordonsyme: but still fact continues, people not using MokoMakefile seem to be building 2007.2 fine Aug 17 15:41:22 point Aug 17 15:41:56 Im not trashing MokoMakefile here, it is an excellent job, but there is obviously something slipping through the cracks Aug 17 15:42:20 I suspect 2007.1 leaks into 2007.2 if you dont start again from scratch Aug 17 15:42:40 Just for fun, what command builds 2007.2 without using the MokoMakefile Aug 17 15:42:54 I did start from scratch so it's probably not leakage... Aug 17 15:43:06 local.conf MACHINE="fic-gta01" DISTRO="openmoko" Aug 17 15:43:12 and so have i so that's not the provlem Aug 17 15:43:14 bitbake openmoko-devel-image Aug 17 15:43:16 problem Aug 17 15:43:32 I'd be interested in seeing if I can get the same behaviour without the MokoMakefile, and if I can't, at least I'd have a built image :) Aug 17 15:43:33 with mtn pull of org.oe.dev done at about 10am this morning Aug 17 15:44:35 Hmmm... I only noticed this happening recently. I've done plenty of updates throughout the day though Aug 17 15:46:45 re Aug 17 15:47:01 er Aug 17 15:47:02 re Aug 17 15:47:27 bitbake 1.8.6? Aug 17 15:47:47 BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.8.7, bitbake version 1.8.7 Aug 17 15:48:02 that could be the problem, 1.8.7 is under heavy devel Aug 17 15:48:23 ack, I'll try use an earlier one. ta Aug 17 15:48:38 RP said something about dissapearing DEPENDS Aug 17 15:49:41 Is there a 1.8.6 branch? Aug 17 15:50:16 gordonsyme: there is a tarball, and probably a label or whatever you call it in svn Aug 17 15:50:33 gordonsyme: 1.8.6 is stable, 1.8.7 is what will become 1.8.8 stable Aug 17 15:50:43 XorA: ok, I'll go poke around Aug 17 15:50:47 There is a tag in svn Aug 17 15:51:23 RP: I can never remeber the terminology with svn, all those directories confuse my feeble mind Aug 17 15:51:57 I don't have any reproducible disappearing DEPENDS. This circular reference issue is proving difficult to debug :-( Aug 17 15:52:01 * gordonsyme goes to read svn-book Aug 17 15:55:34 * XorA watches every rm_work run Aug 17 16:00:35 gordonsyme: BB_SVN_PATH := bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.6 Aug 17 16:00:39 gordonsyme: in Makefile Aug 17 16:00:46 it appears that my GTA01 battery is completly dead Aug 17 16:01:09 mintee_: plug in USB for an hour or so, then it should be charged enough to boot and fast charge Aug 17 16:01:19 XorA, danka Aug 17 16:01:21 XorA: ta! Aug 17 16:01:36 mintee_: when totally discharged the charger only works at 100mA and that takes ages Aug 17 16:01:48 yeah, i've noticed.. heh Aug 17 16:08:30 40mA in practice Aug 17 16:10:08 XorA|gone: ARE YOU USING A SNAPSHOT? Aug 17 16:10:10 oops Aug 17 16:10:12 caps sorry Aug 17 16:10:55 * ferric is eaglery awaiting UPS! Aug 17 16:12:47 ferric: you see that video I posted earlier? Aug 17 16:14:59 ewon: no - where? Aug 17 16:15:56 if i plug up my neo to a windows machine will it still charge... even at 100ma? Aug 17 16:16:15 someone was asking about libxml changes? Aug 17 16:16:32 mintee_: yes, but don;t turn it on Aug 17 16:16:45 freelock: libxml2 Aug 17 16:17:01 ScaredyCat, what would happen? heh Aug 17 16:17:02 I have a fresh build tree that I started building last night with the beta MokoMakeFile Aug 17 16:17:11 ... it fails at libxml2 Aug 17 16:17:28 just tried make update && make openmoko-devel-image, failed again Aug 17 16:17:34 mintee_: I don;t htink it's enough to run and charge... so it wouldn;t charge I guess. Aug 17 16:17:46 ah, ok Aug 17 16:17:51 freelock: it's on the wiki now... Aug 17 16:18:32 libxml2-native fails with xmlCatalogPtr errors Aug 17 16:18:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build Aug 17 16:19:28 Ah, thanks... Aug 17 16:25:30 ferric: http://consumerist.com/consumer/videos/how-ups-delivers-when-youre-not-watching-290438.php Aug 17 16:31:51 Whoo.. Thanks to the power of qemu, locales are being generated.. Aug 17 16:36:33 Good night! Aug 17 16:37:53 im wondering if i will get a neo1973 in the beginning of phase2 Aug 17 16:39:12 bsc .... wondering the same thing Aug 17 16:39:35 i'm wondering if i will ever get my neo. Aug 17 16:39:43 its been shipped to the wrong *continent*. Aug 17 16:39:46 oO .. im scared now.. Aug 17 16:39:54 * bsc wants to hold it december in his hands Aug 17 16:40:02 * bsc REALLY wants ! Aug 17 16:40:59 CM: Aug 17 16:41:24 GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_GB.UTF-8" Aug 17 16:41:30 put that in your local.conf Aug 17 16:41:56 ScaredyCat: did you get a build? I'm giving up for the weekend Aug 17 16:42:19 ScaredyCat: Oh, thanks! :D Aug 17 16:42:26 hehe, I've blown it all away. downloaded bitbake 1.8.6 Aug 17 16:42:38 now jsut restarting the build again... Aug 17 16:42:53 Where are you guys blowing out? I'm at #3431 so far with that libxml2-native fix Aug 17 16:42:58 212 of 3542 Aug 17 16:43:14 * ScaredyCat stabs jgm Aug 17 16:43:24 262, the infamous glibc locales.. Aug 17 16:43:45 time to use uclibc :) Aug 17 16:43:50 Ah yeah I let it get on with it Aug 17 16:43:54 my last one died at openmoko-contacts2 with an autoconf error Aug 17 16:43:56 Took a while but they built in the end Aug 17 16:44:24 jgm: near the end, with a problem with qt4-x11-free-4.3.0-r5 Aug 17 16:44:33 3868 of 456 Aug 17 16:44:38 wow... Aug 17 16:44:40 4560 Aug 17 16:44:43 lol Aug 17 16:45:15 I aslo got rid of all the sources, so it's dl'ing them again... Aug 17 16:45:23 fun. Aug 17 16:45:36 glad I have a fast connection Aug 17 16:45:37 There aren't enough hours in the day for me to have another go at that Aug 17 16:45:52 I know - it's a total nightmare... Aug 17 16:46:08 Once it works it should be nice for incremental builds but yeah the first one is a killer Aug 17 16:46:15 it definately needs to get sorted out... its farking crap atm Aug 17 16:46:38 It takes me a few hours from scratch, I don't really want to have to do that every day. Aug 17 16:46:47 libxml2 is about to explode Aug 17 16:47:38 ... see now it's just teasing me.... Aug 17 16:47:39 NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29: completed Aug 17 16:47:57 did you patch it? Or has someone fixed it properly? Aug 17 16:48:31 It has always built for me Aug 17 16:48:34 no, it was some other patching i think.. not the actual build Aug 17 16:48:49 ah :) Aug 17 16:49:43 CM did you try that in your local.conf? Aug 17 16:50:01 I've had enough for one day, not going to touch it again until after the weekend Aug 17 16:50:12 I wish you all luck in your various build attempts Aug 17 16:50:23 lol... we'll need it... Aug 17 16:50:24 ScaredyCat: The locales thing? Aug 17 16:50:27 d'oh Aug 17 16:50:29 yeah Aug 17 16:50:47 should save you a while Aug 17 16:51:23 you say it's at 262 for the locales? Aug 17 16:51:25 Yes, I put it there, but did not restart the build since it's already done 205 locales Aug 17 16:51:36 Yes Aug 17 16:51:51 427: libxml2 explode Aug 17 16:52:07 Ok, then I'll deal with that after dinner :-) Aug 17 16:55:11 ctually 438 is the libxml2 compile Aug 17 16:56:18 ScaredyCat: Are you running with rm_work btw? Aug 17 16:56:26 no Aug 17 16:56:47 I'm not either, couldn't even get started because of all the circular dependencies Aug 17 16:57:01 Hmm.. seems to have completed okay for me :) Aug 17 16:57:30 i have made a copy of openmoko-stylus-demo in /home/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples and made changes; it builds with make; how do i create an .ipk for this new copied directory? Aug 17 16:57:59 mbuf: There's some examples in the wiki Aug 17 16:58:02 jgm: everyhing? Aug 17 16:58:15 mbuf: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course might be a place to start looking Aug 17 16:59:32 jgm: so you only had the libxml2 error and no others... Aug 17 16:59:49 Yep Aug 17 17:00:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[ChangeLog]] [[Main_Page]] [[Hardware:AGPS]] Aug 17 17:00:58 http://www.pastebin.ca/661231 shows a rerun of 'make openmoko-devel-image' after the build succeeded Aug 17 17:02:24 mmmm..... Aug 17 17:02:40 * ScaredyCat dd's jgm's disks Aug 17 17:03:34 Now now, jealousy will get you nowhere Aug 17 17:03:51 (If it makes you feel better I've decided to pick up a new rig so will have to rebuild it all again next week anyway) Aug 17 17:04:02 The number of locales being generated is approaching infinity.. :-( Aug 17 17:04:08 i can give you some dd images ;) Aug 17 17:04:15 CM: it's a couple less than that, but very close Aug 17 17:04:24 you should have restarted it... Aug 17 17:04:45 ScaredyCat: Yes, it's getting close to that point now Aug 17 17:04:52 Will be interesting to see if this stuff all works under feisty x64 Aug 17 17:05:51 CM: what package is that? Aug 17 17:06:18 jgm: glibc, my nemisis ;) Aug 17 17:06:36 ScaredyCat: It was 272 that's the locale generation Aug 17 17:07:05 I've gone passed there Aug 17 17:07:10 i didn't even notice it Aug 17 17:07:24 533 Aug 17 17:07:46 who tells me the command line to start openmoko-qemu?. i never worked with qemu Aug 17 17:07:51 past Aug 17 17:07:52 i just want to have a look Aug 17 17:08:04 what are you using to run it? Aug 17 17:08:10 mokomakefile? Aug 17 17:08:23 bsc Aug 17 17:08:37 i think so.. i compiled a special qemu version Aug 17 17:08:47 arne@basemachine ~/openmoko/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu $ ./qemu-system-arm Aug 17 17:08:53 but i dont know the parameters Aug 17 17:09:09 make run-qemu Aug 17 17:09:44 eh.in which directory? Aug 17 17:09:48 qemu-system-arm \ Aug 17 17:09:48 -M neo -m 130 -usb -show-cursor \ Aug 17 17:09:48 -usbdevice keyboard \ Aug 17 17:09:48 -mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image \ Aug 17 17:09:48 -sd openmoko/openmoko-sd.image \ Aug 17 17:09:48 -kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin Aug 17 17:09:57 thanks Aug 17 17:11:43 ScaredyCat: is openmoko-sd.image already existing or what will boot? Aug 17 17:12:06 have you built it ? Aug 17 17:12:21 hm .. wait Aug 17 17:12:55 yeah sure i have compiled it Aug 17 17:13:05 the images i mean Aug 17 17:13:06 but i havnt got the kernel,diskimage Aug 17 17:13:08 no i dont Aug 17 17:13:29 didnt* Aug 17 17:13:50 how and where do i add libmokoui, libgsm libraries in .bb file, if i am building a stand-alone application using http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course Aug 17 17:14:06 I don;t have qemu images... I've never used it ... you could use Xoo + Xnest and use a rootfs image Aug 17 17:14:42 damn.. no im to lazy Aug 17 17:16:24 and where is the fukin kernel -_- Aug 17 17:17:12 http://buildhost.automated.it/ you can get the rootfs and kernel images that i've built Aug 17 17:18:54 mbuf: can't you just 'inherit openmoko' ? Aug 17 17:19:49 okay, I'm back in finland holding my phone Aug 17 17:20:03 so where do I start? Aug 17 17:20:18 are the chooseopen imagest the most current or not? Aug 17 17:20:19 France... Aug 17 17:20:27 images* Aug 17 17:21:10 Kliment: you start ny shipping your phone to me .... free :D Aug 17 17:21:15 CM : did you get a problem wiht uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2 Aug 17 17:21:15 ScaredyCat: I should definitely have restarted.. 310 locales done so far.. Gentoo only have 245 Aug 17 17:21:17 ScaredyCat: damn i want the standard qemu-way Aug 17 17:21:31 ScaredyCat: No, but it took ages to build Aug 17 17:21:36 ScaredyCat, how? i get libmokoui/moko-ui.h: No such file or directory; similarily for gtk/gtkbutton.h; i should override CFLAGS, LDFLAGS in .bb file? Aug 17 17:21:40 At least more than 45 minutes Aug 17 17:27:40 ~lart useless glibc locales Aug 17 17:27:41 * apt pours hot grits down the front of useless glibc locales's pants Aug 17 17:28:43 * Kliment flashes phone while repeatedly pressing aux button Aug 17 17:31:52 i want openmoko under qemu :( Aug 17 17:32:45 feck! Aug 17 17:32:47 ERROR: Error in executing: Aug 17 17:32:47 ERROR: Exception: Message:Command Error: exit status: 1 Output: Aug 17 17:33:04 src/gsmd/atcmd.c Aug 17 17:33:08 ScaredyCat, how do i inherit openmoko? Aug 17 17:33:22 in the bb file.... inherit openmoko Aug 17 17:33:59 Ok.. glibc builds 364 locales by default.. Aug 17 17:34:11 I bet no more than 5 has ever been used Aug 17 17:35:36 CM: GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_GB.UTF-8 de_DE.UTF-8 fr_FR.UTF-8" e.g. Aug 17 17:36:36 florian: Thanks :) (And to ScaredyCat who was quicker to mention it) Aug 17 17:37:47 by about 17 days Aug 17 17:38:58 ScaredyCat, why is it downloading packages from the Internet? is there anyway to say to MokoMakefile to not download stuff from the server? Aug 17 17:41:02 it's going to download any dependancies.. Aug 17 17:41:16 ScaredyCat, ok Aug 17 17:41:31 I assume it's only doing libs ? Aug 17 17:42:13 CM : my build is b0rked - totally Aug 17 17:44:02 ScaredyCat, for openmoko updates; anyways i am going to just build standalone application from examples and use it; Aug 17 17:45:39 ScaredyCat, urgh, but, i also need to cross-build to test on the phone Aug 17 17:46:14 heh, tried calling my other phone from the neo and it didn't work Aug 17 17:46:25 took me half an hour to figure out my other phone had crashed Aug 17 17:51:38 looks like telling the gui to power up gsm is a bad idea Aug 17 17:52:04 just tried out the Aug 10 ScaredyCat build Aug 17 17:53:25 ~logs Aug 17 17:53:26 [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org// where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/.html.gz Aug 17 17:57:27 CM : what version of bitbake are you using? Aug 17 17:57:52 Okay 2007.2 up and running on qemu with the new mokomakefile, phew Aug 17 17:58:04 gah! Aug 17 17:58:39 * ScaredyCat screams at machine Aug 17 17:59:05 I've dropped the -j4 and bb_parallel too... Aug 17 17:59:35 ScaredyCat: is it failing for you from a fresh build? Aug 17 17:59:40 yes Aug 17 17:59:50 I'm about to explode Aug 17 18:00:27 Let me know if you want to check anything against my build. Or I can make an image available if you need it Aug 17 18:01:34 k.. Aug 17 18:01:40 what version of bitbake are you using? Aug 17 18:02:02 1.8.7 Aug 17 18:02:06 mmm... Aug 17 18:05:47 hmm, looks like gsmd is broken on this image Aug 17 18:07:22 pfft.. Aug 17 18:07:25 Kliment: is this a CFUN/COPS hangup like this http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-June/000062.html ? Aug 17 18:07:36 not on my images Aug 17 18:09:05 pH5: I don't think so Aug 17 18:09:07 hold on Aug 17 18:11:10 okay, it looks more like the dead gsm bug Aug 17 18:11:27 hello all Aug 17 18:17:28 trying to do a manual compile link from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_a_hello_world_application, i get this: unrecognized command line option "-W1,-rpath-link,/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib" - what do i need to do? Aug 17 18:18:43 try removing the commas Aug 17 18:18:51 replace them with spaces Aug 17 18:19:50 is there a way to use distcc or other similar program to compile openmoko? Aug 17 18:19:52 /home/moko/build/tmp/cross/arm-linux/bin/gcc -L/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -W1 -rpath-link /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -W1 -01 -g -o hw main.c `/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/pkg-config --cflags --libs openmoko-libs gtk+-2.0` Aug 17 18:20:18 unrecognized option -rpath-link, -01, -W1 Aug 17 18:22:18 mbuf: sorry... I'm not sure why they're doing those specific option...not familiar enough with GCC myself. Aug 17 18:24:00 jseghers, actually lib-W1-rpath-link/home... works, it complains about -W1, -O1 Aug 17 18:24:44 does anyone else run into an Input/Output error when scp'ing large files to the neo? more importantly, anyone know of a workaround? Aug 17 18:25:03 I think that is the -Wl param, not -W1 Aug 17 18:25:22 -Wl tells gcc to pass arguments to the linker Aug 17 18:25:42 syntax is -Wl,option1,option2,option3 Aug 17 18:25:59 actually, you have to use commas Aug 17 18:26:49 use info gcc, then search for -Wl Aug 17 18:28:00 how do I get out of cu? Aug 17 18:28:25 Kliment, press tilde and dot Aug 17 18:28:32 /home/moko/build/tmp/cross/arm-linux/bin/gcc -L/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib-Wl,-rpath-link,/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -Wl,-O1 -g -o hw main.c `/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/pkg-config --cflags --libs openmoko-libs gtk+-2.0` Aug 17 18:28:37 gives me ld error Aug 17 18:28:51 tilde and dot? Aug 17 18:28:59 Kliment: ~. Aug 17 18:29:20 oh, that closed the whole ssh session Aug 17 18:29:23 but thanks Aug 17 18:29:23 mbuf: you need a space between lib and -WI in: -linux/lib-Wl,-rpat Aug 17 18:29:27 gps is traceable, right? Aug 17 18:29:53 doc: you mean in someone else can trace you using it? no. Aug 17 18:30:06 doc GPS is completely passive. Aug 17 18:30:20 jseghers: no, I mean that when you ping a satellite it knows where it's coming from? Aug 17 18:30:26 (the ping) Aug 17 18:30:36 doc: you don't ping the satellite Aug 17 18:30:47 doc|home: that's not how gps works. you just receive data from satellites and compare the timings Aug 17 18:30:50 jseghers, thanks! it worked Aug 17 18:32:07 pH5: ok, so, how would this work? http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/16/mercedes--benz-ignores-court-order-to-activate-suspects-gps/ Aug 17 18:32:32 doc: the satellites send synchronized signals. The receiver compares the timings of when those signals are received and uses its knowledge of where the satellites are (via the ephemerides tables that is also broadcast by the gps satellites) to compute position. Aug 17 18:33:11 jseghers: ok, but in that article they wanted to use that to trace it back to the car Aug 17 18:33:39 doc: That's a system that uses another radio link to send the GPS location the car has already determined to them. Aug 17 18:34:15 so that gps system has gps and a radio transmitter? Aug 17 18:34:18 doc|home: you can do that, too, with the neo: just send your position via gprs after obtaining it from the gps :) Aug 17 18:34:24 Any time you hear about "GPS tracking" of a car, device, etc. it's refering to using some other communications link Aug 17 18:35:03 Are the openmoko tasks different in OM2007.2? I'm tacking something on to the end of task-openmoko-ui and it doesn't seem to be picked up Aug 17 18:35:06 pH5: yep, but it just seems odd that a car would have that powerful a radio transmitter to make that all that useful Aug 17 18:35:30 pH5: gsmd.c:227:firstcmd_tmr_cb() No response from GSM Aug 17 18:35:35 pH5: this is what I get Aug 17 18:35:48 pH5: with some fiddling around in cu I managed to make it call me Aug 17 18:35:57 but with gsmd I get this Aug 17 18:37:14 Kliment: If you are using cu through ssh you need to send ~~. (the ~~ escapes ~ through ssh, which also uses ~. as a hangup signal) Aug 17 18:38:03 doc: GM has been shipping "Onstar" for years. This basically a sattelite phone technology. Aug 17 18:39:07 jseghers: ah, ok, thanks Aug 17 18:41:41 I can't seem to get the modem to answer at all now Aug 17 18:42:19 what package should i add to pkg-config to use libgsmd ? Aug 17 18:43:41 mbuf: libgsmd Aug 17 18:44:39 pH5, i get In file included from /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/libgsmd/libgsmd.h:12, Aug 17 18:44:39 from at-my-command.c:37: Aug 17 18:44:39 /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/gsmd/usock.h:5:31: error: common/linux_list.h: No such file or directory Aug 17 18:45:30 Kliment: no response in firstcmd_tmr_cb somehow looks like it starts to send stuff before the chip is ready. can you paste the complete log? Aug 17 18:47:17 mbuf: but that include is inside that #ifdef __GSMD__?? Aug 17 18:49:08 pH5: just rebooted, let me try Aug 17 18:50:22 * pH5 impatiently awaits his openmoko-devel-image build.. Aug 17 18:50:48 pH5: http://pastebin.ca/661334 Aug 17 18:50:53 pH5, it is a simply main.c file that includes lgsm_init, http://pastebin.ca/661332 Aug 17 18:51:05 ph5, it uses lgsm_init Aug 17 18:51:42 anyone knows something about distcc and openmoko builds? Aug 17 18:52:18 Anyone know if there is a project about a netmonitor for Neo1973? Aug 17 18:52:27 pH5: Hi!, it's with svn version of gsmd Aug 17 18:54:35 pH5, it occurs if i include libgsmd/libgsmd.h Aug 17 18:54:56 mbuf, common/list something missing? Aug 17 18:55:20 this looks like somehow __GSMD__ is defined while including gsmd/usock.h, but why? Aug 17 18:55:26 mdt, yes, common/linux_list.h missing, http://pastebin.ca/661332 Aug 17 18:56:02 mbuf, i already sayed it in the list... for now i just copied the file to the right location Aug 17 18:56:31 that file is internal, it shouldn't be used/needed at all Aug 17 18:56:32 mdt, which list did you post this to? Aug 17 18:56:47 libgsmd - devel Aug 17 18:57:15 there was already a patch because of missing sms.h and another... Aug 17 18:57:36 it seems nobody is interested in the telefony capabilities of the neo ;) Aug 17 18:57:58 i copied build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/libgsmd-0.1+svnnow-r0_0_2738/gsm/include/common/linux_list.h build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/common for now.. Aug 17 18:58:22 pH5: http://pastebin.com/m528fa962 Aug 17 18:58:23 mbuf: can you check where __GSMD__ is defined in that build and/or if you still get that error if you remove the complete __GSMD__-ifdefed block from gsmd/usock.h? Aug 17 18:58:41 pH5: this is what gsmd gives me Aug 17 18:58:50 pH5: and now I can't even get cu to work Aug 17 18:59:10 i am really said about it. there is alot discussion about the history of gsmd and the kind of rpc, but aren't there any developer that really /use/ libgsmd?? Aug 17 18:59:17 pH5, i am doing a simple main.c file, using my own Makefile; Aug 17 18:59:20 Kliment: new build? that looks nearly exactly like what rmoravcik just posted Aug 17 18:59:59 pH5, i'll check in my complete build to see where __GSMD__ is defined Aug 17 19:00:01 pH5, you already run into trouble when including sms.h... now this one is included but the other one is missing Aug 17 19:00:27 Kliment: and I'd try to poweroff/on the gsm chip first. Aug 17 19:00:33 pH5: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#20070810065827_with_kernel_2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_and_default_uboot Aug 17 19:00:37 thisis what I'm using Aug 17 19:00:42 and I tried power off/on Aug 17 19:00:50 so you are really working with libgsmd? Aug 17 19:00:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_groups:_Boston]] [[GPS_Navigation]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Aug 17 19:00:59 root@fic-gta01:~$ echo "0"> /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on Aug 17 19:00:59 root@fic-gta01:~$ echo "1"> /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on Aug 17 19:02:27 Kliment, what are you working on? Aug 17 19:03:21 mdt: just flashed it for the first time today Aug 17 19:03:57 mdt: I'd like to work on power consumption, but first I need to get it to do anything at all :) Aug 17 19:04:48 ah, okay.... point is i am working on a application that uses libgsmd but found it non-working... and asking on the development list gave no answer. it seems the neo is not for doing phone calls at all :/ Aug 17 19:05:09 I got it to make a call a while ago Aug 17 19:05:14 but I can'treproduce Aug 17 19:05:41 the behavior I mean, haven't attempted reproducing myself today ;) Aug 17 19:06:07 shure, i can do a call with libgsm-tool but after that gsmd crashes Aug 17 19:06:54 and: i as a human can do O, R and D but a program should follow some flow... do you get notified when to do the R? Aug 17 19:07:58 I wonder why do you think, that the gsm is usable? :) Aug 17 19:10:59 pH5: FYI I just updated libgsmd in OE in regards to the applied patches. Aug 17 19:12:41 hi chan Aug 17 19:13:16 mdt, what kind of application? Aug 17 19:14:55 hej stefan_schmidt, thanks Aug 17 19:15:21 pH5: np Aug 17 19:15:36 stefan_schmidt: btw, you've still got that dopod omap850 phone around? it seems people are starting to run linux on omap850 left and right, currently. Aug 17 19:15:39 * stefan_schmidt hopes libgsmd gets into better shape soon Aug 17 19:15:44 yes :) Aug 17 19:15:55 good to see it gets some more attention now, though Aug 17 19:16:01 pH5: Yeah, still around. Wanne have it? Aug 17 19:16:57 I'm trying to access the console using the Debug board. Once I do the modprobe ftdi_sio with vendor/product, I get two ttyUSB devices, 0 and 1 showing up. If I use cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0, it "connects", but there doesn't seem to be anything there. Aug 17 19:17:05 Same with if I use USB1 Aug 17 19:17:31 stefan_schmidt: if you can spare it for a while, yes, I'd like to give it a shot. Aug 17 19:17:53 pH5: I spare it for a long time now. Just no time. Aug 17 19:17:55 I'm specifically trying to get hold of the output from stdout and stderr that would normally go to the console Aug 17 19:18:13 pH5: Send me your post address via mail and I try to get it out next week. Aug 17 19:22:26 ok, will do Aug 17 19:33:23 How do you get access to the console output on the device? Aug 17 19:34:10 jseghers: think uboot has an option to send console to USB Aug 17 19:34:18 It does. Aug 17 19:34:26 Yes, but that gets reset when you boot Aug 17 19:34:48 if you have tty_acm loaded on your host (or autoloading set right) then /dev/ttyACM0 should pop up on boot Aug 17 19:35:37 jseghers: Is your uboot menu borked, only showing Boot and Factory Reset? Aug 17 19:35:51 CM: no, I have all the options. Aug 17 19:36:03 Ok Aug 17 19:36:15 * jseghers checking some config stuff Aug 17 19:36:28 Has anyone had any luck with adding tasks in to OM2007.2 using mokomakefile? It seems to be totally ignoring me... Aug 17 19:36:44 jgm: tasks? Aug 17 19:36:50 In bitbake Aug 17 19:38:14 Or even packages, come to that Aug 17 19:38:17 mbuf, hm, hard to say. somethig similar to openmoko Aug 17 19:38:47 mbuf, a application to control telefony, messaging, ... all stuff i /really/ need Aug 17 19:38:49 from the inital flashing of the latest openmoko, the sound doesn't work when making\recieving calls.. is that normal? Aug 17 19:39:45 mdt, pH5, i copied /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/libgsmd-0.1+svnnow-r0_0_2738/gsm/include/common/linux_list.h to /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/common, and the stand-alone main.c with Makefile builds fine Aug 17 19:39:58 mintee_: have you unmuted it in alsamixer? Aug 17 19:40:12 * mintee_ looks Aug 17 19:40:19 mbuf, shure ;) Aug 17 19:40:23 mbuf: yes, that's a valid work-around, but not the correct solution. Aug 17 19:40:43 pH5, i can live with it for now Aug 17 19:40:45 pH5, question is, is linux_list needed? Aug 17 19:40:58 mbuf, what kind of development do you do? Aug 17 19:41:18 mdt: no, it's internal to gsmd. that's why this include is inside an #ifdef __GSMD__ block. Aug 17 19:41:23 CM: you still around? Aug 17 19:41:33 mdt, embedded, been working on USB mostly Aug 17 19:41:37 maybe we should clean that block from the installed header files like it's done with kernel-headers Aug 17 19:41:50 pH5, so the question still is why is __GSMD__ defined.... Aug 17 19:42:13 looks like it. I'm currently not logged into the phone via ssh, as I don' thave a linux machine here at my office, and I cannot figure out how to emulate the arrowkeys to move about in alsamixer Aug 17 19:42:18 mbuf, so who else is doing telephony stuff on the neo? :D Aug 17 19:42:32 mdt: yes, exactly. Aug 17 19:42:47 mdt, thought will play with libgsmd to see how it is Aug 17 19:42:51 let's see what 2007.2 looks like Aug 17 19:42:55 mdt, haven't done much actually Aug 17 19:43:28 i see ohci_hcd loaded on the Neo, so any core USB kernel support is required to use the Neo in USB host mode? Aug 17 19:43:30 In uBoot, I set console to USB. Then connect with cu -l /dev/ttyACM0. That connects fine. Then I type boot and it gives the initial booting screen (NAND read....) and then hangs up with the Linux boot messages going to the screen. If I try cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 again, it tells me that doesn't exits Aug 17 19:43:33 mbuf, i have lots of questions as a developer using libgsmd ...but get no answer. ;? Aug 17 19:43:49 mbuf: it's needed to switch the external port from host to ddevice mode. Aug 17 19:43:51 That's not there yet. Aug 17 19:44:14 ttyACM0 goes away after uboot boots the syste,m Aug 17 19:44:20 The core developers don't hang out here much, so it's community help only around here. Aug 17 19:44:22 mdt, ohh, where do you post your queries to? i'll try to come to IRC often Aug 17 19:44:42 SpeedEvil: how can I get at the console after booting into Linux? Aug 17 19:44:46 SpeedEvil, switch? if there is a mini-A connector, shouldn't it automatically operate in host mode? Aug 17 19:44:50 ssh into linux. Aug 17 19:44:53 mbuf: no. Aug 17 19:44:59 bmidgley: not implemented. Aug 17 19:45:02 mbuf: it does not implement usbotg Aug 17 19:45:24 mintee_: can't you use the onscreen keyboard? Aug 17 19:45:31 mbuf: so it can only operate as host or device Aug 17 19:45:33 mbuf, in the mailing list Aug 17 19:45:33 jseghers: ssh in Aug 17 19:45:48 SpeedEvil: yes, I can ssh to it. But that doesn't seem to give me the stdout from apps running. Aug 17 19:46:02 no - it'll give you any apps you start though. Aug 17 19:46:07 Kliment, so how do you make it operate in host mode? Aug 17 19:46:10 and you cna kill and restart the core apps Aug 17 19:46:15 mbuf: you don't - yet. Aug 17 19:46:21 mbuf: the patches are not in. Aug 17 19:46:26 SpeedEvil, ok Aug 17 19:46:34 SpeedEvil: what's not implemented? Aug 17 19:46:42 mbuf: there are two internal host ports. One is brought out to the external port. Aug 17 19:46:44 jseghers: you kill the xsession and start it from /etc/init.d Aug 17 19:46:55 The external port can also be switched to a device port. Aug 17 19:46:55 jseghers: that gives you everything to the usb console Aug 17 19:46:59 speedEvil: OK Aug 17 19:47:01 this switching is not implemented. Aug 17 19:47:14 bmidgley: sorry - I typoed you. Aug 17 19:47:17 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-August/000187.html Aug 17 19:47:23 jgm, i saw in the planet.OM that they were setting up the floor and network gear for the OM team, where they can get free access to IRC, right now its restricted, i believe Aug 17 19:47:44 SpeedEvil: at first I had this feeling you were reading my mind as I typed an email to the list :) Aug 17 19:48:04 mmm, me likes 2007.2 Aug 17 19:48:29 is it easy to switch a mokomakefile build to 2007.2? Aug 17 19:48:34 bmidgley: Oh - I'm doing that too. Aug 17 19:48:36 :) Aug 17 19:48:38 Have they never heard of wireless? :/ Aug 17 19:48:54 how do you change mokomakefile to 2007.2? Aug 17 19:49:00 bmidgley: probably not. Most people have just started again from scratch Aug 17 19:49:14 mdt: did you look at the source of libgsmd-tool? Aug 17 19:49:29 if i speak for 15 minutes with the Neo1973, it gets little hot to be placed in the ear; has anyone experienced it? Aug 17 19:49:44 *near the ear Aug 17 19:49:59 mbuf: you've talked for 15 minutes!! (croud cheers) Aug 17 19:50:00 mbuf: I've had that with other phones. Speakers get hot. Aug 17 19:50:01 That's the SQUID. Aug 17 19:50:03 bmidgley: hah Aug 17 19:50:11 Doing mind-reading, and reporting to the NSA. Aug 17 19:50:16 crowd duh Aug 17 19:50:28 mmh, there's another reason then to turn off the CPU while talking Aug 17 19:50:31 bmidgley, international call Aug 17 19:50:54 mbuf: even better Aug 17 19:51:22 GSM on a call uses about as much power as the phone does usually. Aug 17 19:51:33 doc|work, i see; that is why we need to use the headset, i suppose Aug 17 19:51:51 mbuf: dunno, that might not be the sole cause Aug 17 19:54:19 hello Aug 17 19:55:10 one more thing is that if i don't use the Neo for a day, i need to do a slow charge for atleast 20 minutes before it powers up Aug 17 19:55:25 that's due to the modem not turning off properly. Aug 17 19:55:27 Or something not. Aug 17 19:55:35 SpeedEvil, i see Aug 17 19:55:38 procedure at the moment is to pop the battery after turning off. Aug 17 19:55:48 It draws some 30mA, when 'off' Aug 17 19:55:57 If you don't do that. Aug 17 19:56:03 SpeedEvil, ohh, ok; will follow that in future Aug 17 19:56:50 'off' - properly - it draws well under a tenth of a milliamp. Aug 17 19:57:01 so it should keep charge for a year, with the battery in. Aug 17 19:59:58 how come it's so powerhungry? Aug 17 20:00:08 (the modem) Aug 17 20:00:41 I'm assuming it's the modem. Aug 17 20:00:47 I don't know that for a fact. Aug 17 20:01:17 There is something that draws 30mA, when turned 'off'. Aug 17 20:01:42 However, setting the 'power down' bits on the modem diddn't actually help. Aug 17 20:02:01 It could also be one of the other eleventy-million chips. Aug 17 20:02:04 radio type stuff is generally pretty power hungry last I studied it Aug 17 20:02:15 30mA is _way_ too heavy though. Aug 17 20:02:23 Compared to state of the norm. Aug 17 20:02:47 I seen something go by in here once about setting the time and keeping it from resetting to 1970, but I can't find anything regarding it on the wiki. Aug 17 20:03:00 SpeedEvil: does doing AT+CFUN=0 before setting the power down bits help, maybe? Aug 17 20:03:01 hwclock -w Aug 17 20:03:03 or something Aug 17 20:03:06 ph5: no Aug 17 20:03:13 Tried that too. Aug 17 20:03:23 SpeedEvil: yeah, I should have known :) Aug 17 20:03:36 SpeedEvil: Can you point me to a reference for *how* to restart the core Xsession and apps? I get the error: "matchbox-wm: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable" even if I set DISPLAY=:0 in the env. Aug 17 20:03:47 well, I'll just continue to do the battery trick for now. Aug 17 20:03:49 I'm going to open it, and see if I can break into the can. Aug 17 20:04:12 jseghers: export DISPLAY=:0 Aug 17 20:04:31 it's something to do with hwclock anyway Aug 17 20:04:42 I've got mine working now. Aug 17 20:04:43 SpeedEvil: I tried that. Aug 17 20:05:18 I'm trying to start it with /bin/sh /etc/X11/Xsession Aug 17 20:05:40 Why do you need stdouts anyway? Aug 17 20:06:12 Because I'm adding a feature to openmoko-dialer, and I need to see what it's telling me in debug output. Aug 17 20:06:38 pH5: still getting the no response error Aug 17 20:06:47 :( Aug 17 20:06:57 jseghers: you kill the xserver, then start it again from ssh Aug 17 20:06:57 I'll try to reproduce that once I get my neo running again. Aug 17 20:07:31 jseghers: that spews out all the debug messages to the ssh console Aug 17 20:07:37 jseghers: at least for me it does Aug 17 20:07:42 Kliment: That's what I'm trying... but it won't start. Aug 17 20:07:52 ? Aug 17 20:08:55 jseghers: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start Aug 17 20:09:08 http://pastebin.com/d7d325876 Aug 17 20:09:27 OK: I'll try that... Aug 17 20:10:28 pH5: it is exactly the same behavior as in http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256 Aug 17 20:13:03 Kliment: in that bug cu disabled flow control and thus killed the connection, at least for me. Aug 17 20:13:38 Kliment: that worked, except the screen was blank... though I'm thinking that may have been the backlight being off. I'm rebooting and trying again. Aug 17 20:13:45 if it's the same, killing cu and running stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts should set things right again Aug 17 20:14:47 * hozer does the neo just arrived dance Aug 17 20:14:49 Damn, managed to drain my Neo battery. Didn't take long Aug 17 20:15:53 CM: what did you end up doing to get glibc locales to work? I had the same problem, but ended up disabling locales entirely to get by. Aug 17 20:16:08 (of course, the build broke elsewhere anyway) Aug 17 20:16:13 quicksand: I built qemu Aug 17 20:16:27 Somehow, that makes all locales available again.. *shrug* Aug 17 20:16:35 Mine failed too, on the kernel Aug 17 20:16:39 Same as this morning Aug 17 20:16:40 Weird. Aug 17 20:16:58 so.. um.. this case seems pretty hard to open Aug 17 20:16:58 Thx. Aug 17 20:17:19 hozer: Use the guitar pick and open at the top :) Aug 17 20:18:24 thanks Aug 17 20:18:46 I find: Aug 17 20:19:03 ball your hand up into a partial fist. Aug 17 20:19:29 o0 Aug 17 20:19:33 place nail of middle finger into slot, and the heel of your palm 4cm or so down the case. Aug 17 20:19:43 careful now Aug 17 20:19:44 get hammer and .... Aug 17 20:20:11 now, with the wrist held rigid, move the arm down towards the case the end will pop out. Aug 17 20:20:58 (of the case, not the arm) Aug 17 20:21:12 so, if I leave it at the 'kernel panic no init' will it charge? ;) Aug 17 20:21:35 hozer: Yes, as long as the usb is in Aug 17 20:21:48 I just managed to drain my battery for the first time.. What a pain Aug 17 20:22:21 hi all Aug 17 20:22:24 I'm new here ;-) Aug 17 20:22:28 See Neo1973 Charging on the wiki Aug 17 20:22:30 They mention on the web that the 100ma charge isn't enough to power it... I drained a battery leaving it plugged in at that stage Aug 17 20:22:38 no neo yet, but I'm interested in doing some dev work with the emulator and such Aug 17 20:22:56 You can do that. Aug 17 20:22:58 faq? Aug 17 20:22:58 See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) Aug 17 20:22:58 trying to get MokoMakefile working - having a reproducible problem, and rwhitby doesn't seem to be around Aug 17 20:23:02 ah Aug 17 20:23:09 anyone here feel they may be able to help? Aug 17 20:23:14 what's the problem - someone mya heave a clue. Aug 17 20:23:16 Charge from the bootloader, connect with "cu" and enable the fast charging. Aug 17 20:23:22 compile error Aug 17 20:23:32 building openmoko-libs-0.4.0+svnnow-r0_2367 Aug 17 20:23:36 seems to fail in finding a header Aug 17 20:23:51 .../moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/gsmd/usock.h:5:31: error: common/linux_list.h: Aug 17 20:24:02 Has anyone been able to build the kernel for 2007.2 today? Aug 17 20:24:37 shadoknight: Try make update ; make setup Aug 17 20:24:39 I was just following along on the MokoMakefile Wiki directions, so I haven't done anything fancy... Aug 17 20:24:43 did that three times ;-) Aug 17 20:24:48 Heh, ok Aug 17 20:24:50 (says to before coming here :p) Aug 17 20:25:00 Aug 17 20:25:00 There's been a lot of updates to gsmd today Aug 17 20:25:05 ahh, that'd do it Aug 17 20:25:12 it's definitely in the gsm stuff Aug 17 20:25:31 I went through the various -I and -isystem include directives and none of them have the aforementioned file Aug 17 20:25:39 (or directory, for that matter - no 'common' that I could find) Aug 17 20:25:42 I can't even get past linux_2.6.21.. http://rafb.net/p/5TBUuR29.html Aug 17 20:26:03 anyone know how (if?) I can skip the GSM step? Aug 17 20:26:53 Not sure, but maybe BBMASK="gsmd" in local.conf could work? Aug 17 20:27:04 that looks like a different version of MokoMakefile Aug 17 20:27:10 are folks using the '2007.2 alpha' version? Aug 17 20:27:16 I'm afraid gsmd is a dependancy to the dialer and such though Aug 17 20:27:17 (the one warned against on the wiki...) Aug 17 20:27:24 I am, and it's not working Aug 17 20:27:27 where the heck is the aux button? Aug 17 20:27:29 ;) Aug 17 20:27:36 hozer: Uppler left side Aug 17 20:27:40 -l Aug 17 20:27:41 looks like IRDA Aug 17 20:27:42 isn't. Aug 17 20:27:44 cm: I'll try the bbmask - thanks Aug 17 20:27:52 doh Aug 17 20:28:03 I coulda swore it was an irda ;) Aug 17 20:28:32 shadoknight: As I said, I'm sure the dialer or something else will complain. You'll probably need to do a make clean-package-gsmd too Aug 17 20:28:52 okay, does it charge via usb when powered off? Aug 17 20:28:53 Aug 17 20:28:58 hozer: yes. Aug 17 20:28:58 cool - thanks Aug 17 20:29:09 hozer: but the modem or other stuff may still be on. Aug 17 20:29:17 See Neo1973 Charging on the wiki Aug 17 20:29:26 precis: pull the battery, replace, charge Aug 17 20:29:28 hozer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Charging Aug 17 20:29:47 * CM has 50 minutes to go.. *sigh* Aug 17 20:32:31 * SpeedEvil ponders if CM has an appointment with the Grim Reaper. He doesn't tend to schedule that closely though. Aug 17 20:32:48 (and even when he does, he's never on time) Aug 17 20:32:56 okay.. this is obnoxious.. Aug 17 20:33:10 running cu as root is giving me 'permission denied' Aug 17 20:33:15 while this ticks, anyone else (other than CM) using the 2007.2 MokoMakefile and is it working for you? Aug 17 20:33:39 shadoknight: I think ScaredyCat is building, but I don't know how far he got Aug 17 20:34:01 I've managed to build it Aug 17 20:34:11 I'm not using it -- but it appears most errors are build errors related to the state of the code, NOT related to the makefile. Aug 17 20:34:13 Works fine on feisty/x86 Aug 17 20:34:53 jgm: Do you have a /home/moko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux/defconfig Aug 17 20:34:54 quicksand: thanks - guess I can always fix the code ;-) Aug 17 20:35:15 jgm: thanks for the report of success Aug 17 20:35:27 CM: nope Aug 17 20:35:42 (Now all I need to do is get it to pick up patches for new apps and I'll be happy...) Aug 17 20:35:56 jgm@desktop:~/om/openembedded/packages/linux/linux$ ls Aug 17 20:35:56 acern30 alix at32stk1000 at91sam9263ek ep93xx kb9202 n2100 progear sarge-at91 simpad Aug 17 20:36:53 jgm: I get this error http://rafb.net/p/5TBUuR29.html Aug 17 20:37:12 so if I get 'Enabling automatic fast charge' and it powers off, am I still getting a fast charge? Aug 17 20:37:13 Got the same this morning.. Aug 17 20:39:26 Have you tried cleaning the package and rebuilding it? Aug 17 20:43:27 does somebody know the calling convention for gcc-arm? Aug 17 20:44:05 speerschleuder, c? Aug 17 20:44:16 yes Aug 17 20:44:45 I know, that the first 4 parameters are put into r0-r3 Aug 17 20:44:59 but how does it work with printf? Aug 17 20:45:14 or when there are more than 4 parameters? Aug 17 20:47:42 shadoknight: yes i am using it.. but had to restart again on an other computer cause i didnt have enough space and rm_work seems to have a bug (2903 of 2542 tasks done by now) Aug 17 20:48:09 oh, if rm_work has a bug, I'll remove that and start over Aug 17 20:48:11 that could be my problem Aug 17 20:49:19 mdt, what i didn't get is how the parameters are 'pushed' onto the stack Aug 17 20:49:49 backwords as typical in c ;) Aug 17 20:50:35 * shadoknight wonders if rm_work is broken on the old MokoMakefile too Aug 17 20:50:43 shadoknight: i dont think you'll have to restart Aug 17 20:51:02 C7: I'll try not restarting first ;-) Aug 17 20:51:09 shadoknight: the error i got was ERROR: Task /home/moko/openembedded/packages/dfu-util/dfu-util-native_svn.bb (do_rm_work) has circular dependency on /home/moko/openembedded/packages/ipkg/ipkg-native_0.99.163.bb (do_rm_work) Aug 17 20:51:30 ahh Aug 17 20:51:36 well, that wouldn't be my problem Aug 17 20:51:38 but still... Aug 17 20:51:57 * CM has power again :-D Aug 17 20:52:11 mdt, so from right to left? Aug 17 20:53:00 speerschleuder, as in c normal, yes Aug 17 20:53:52 hey looky that Aug 17 20:53:56 I got it to work Aug 17 20:53:56 the registers are also filled from right to left, or from left to rigth? Aug 17 20:54:03 hi Aug 17 20:55:13 Kliment: how? Aug 17 20:55:52 hello pH5 Aug 17 20:56:02 physical reboot Aug 17 20:56:09 left battery out for a while Aug 17 20:56:11 n'abend speerschleuder Aug 17 20:56:23 didn't try anything with gsmd until I had restarted it Aug 17 20:56:53 now I can register with libgsmd-tool Aug 17 20:58:50 and answer a call Aug 17 20:59:10 Kliment, can u do make more than one call? can u terminate the tool and start it again? Aug 17 20:59:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Group_Order]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] Aug 17 21:02:22 * jgm pokes rwhitby Aug 17 21:03:55 mdt: three calls so far Aug 17 21:04:12 and a slight poke at the handset state and it actually sounds ok Aug 17 21:04:32 * shadoknight gives up on old MokoMakefile and adventurously attempts MokoMakefile 2007.2 Aug 17 21:04:33 Kliment, :) does gsmd startup ok? Aug 17 21:04:44 mdt: no Aug 17 21:04:51 mdt: I had to start it manually Aug 17 21:05:04 .....same for me ;) Aug 17 21:05:10 mdt: this is on latest 2007.2 btw Aug 17 21:05:14 but mine crashes sometime Aug 17 21:05:30 it says 'modem dead'... Aug 17 21:05:42 Time for bed. Night all. Aug 17 21:07:18 have fun, stefan_schmidt Aug 17 21:08:28 ok, answering calls from gui works, dialing from gui doesn't Aug 17 21:08:36 will play with this some more Aug 17 21:08:39 Kliment, strange - did you look into /tmp/gsmd.log? what's going on there? Aug 17 21:08:42 now I have to go Aug 17 21:08:49 ...okay Aug 17 21:08:55 mdt: ** (openmoko-dialer:1434): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_call: assertion `!DBUS_G_PROXY_DESTROYED (proxy)' failed Aug 17 21:09:05 mdt: this is what the dialer tells me Aug 17 21:09:41 Kliment, hm.... Aug 17 21:09:50 but now off Aug 17 21:09:53 back in a while Aug 17 21:09:55 Kliment, ..thnx Aug 17 21:10:29 anyone here know if FIC is still on track for GTA02 by October-ish? Aug 17 21:12:13 * don-o shoots milk out his nose Aug 17 21:12:22 shadoknight: No. Aug 17 21:13:41 :) Aug 17 21:13:49 speedevil: fair enough. Aug 17 21:14:07 SpeedEvil: do you have any supporting evidence? Aug 17 21:14:24 shadoknight: im just going by the accuracy of the P1 release estimates Aug 17 21:14:27 speedevil: I guess I should ask - is that 'no they're not on track' or 'no one here knows' Aug 17 21:14:44 don-o: I haven't been following long enough to know how far off they were on those. Aug 17 21:15:04 shadoknight: the first estimates i saw were january 07. Aug 17 21:15:08 ahh Aug 17 21:15:09 six months Aug 17 21:15:12 not bad, actually Aug 17 21:15:13 :) Aug 17 21:15:26 * shadoknight has done some hardware prototyping in his current job Aug 17 21:15:29 shadoknight: i would expect P2 would be better, but not by much. Aug 17 21:15:40 heh Aug 17 21:16:07 I really want one to play with, but the specs on the GTA02 are so much better than the 1B, and for $500, well... Aug 17 21:16:15 I can always do my software development with qemu, right? Aug 17 21:16:20 shadoknight: i can say that mickey has made reference to having beta P2 hardware Aug 17 21:16:30 cool :) Aug 17 21:18:08 shadoknight: i havent used the emulator much except to build it once Aug 17 21:18:59 (if I can get it built, even...) Aug 17 21:19:00 :) Aug 17 21:19:05 evening! Aug 17 21:19:06 I'm sure it'll be fine to start with Aug 17 21:19:13 * shadoknight waves. Aug 17 21:19:13 * ferric has his gta01! Aug 17 21:19:25 shadoknight: it took 8 hours to build but it was satisfying to see it run! Aug 17 21:19:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1#Before_you_start <- is that still accurate? Aug 17 21:19:36 heh Aug 17 21:19:49 don-o: ran into a compile problem in the gsm stuff using the older MokoMakefile Aug 17 21:20:05 so just an hour ago or so I gave up and started over with the 2007.2 MokoMakefile Aug 17 21:20:10 * shadoknight crosses his fingers. Aug 17 21:20:37 ferric: Yes AFAIK Aug 17 21:20:48 hads: sweet, thank you. Aug 17 21:57:31 morning Aug 17 21:57:48 heya Aug 17 21:57:56 * Stephmw hugs rwhitby again Aug 17 21:58:04 thanks for mokomakefile :) Aug 17 21:58:22 :-) Aug 17 21:58:50 has anyone written a tutorial on how to use Eclipse with the Debug Board? Aug 17 21:58:52 Stephmw: you're welcome. Aug 17 21:59:37 and for those who are cursed with the circular dependency problem, you'll be glad to know I see it too. Aug 17 22:00:03 are all the glibc locales needed at the currently state of the project? Aug 17 22:00:17 rwhitby: now, can you get it to sit on its hind legs, bark MOKO in morsecode and integrate the kitchen sink? Aug 17 22:00:20 the compiling of them takes hours Aug 17 22:04:18 the simple fix for the circular dependency problem is to comment the rm_work out of your local.conf, but then your disk space blows out. Anyway, RP is aware of the problem, so it should be fixed soonish (i.e. it seems to be a thorny one, so it might not be an easy fix) Aug 17 22:13:25 XorA|gone: instead of blindly assuming that MokoMakefile is somehow messing with the openembedded checkout, it would have been more mature to suggest the user runs 'mtn head; mtn status; mtn list unknown; mtn list missing' to verifiably confirm or deny your rash assertion. Aug 17 22:13:53 XorA|gone: or were you just in a bad mood for some other reason and took it out on the user here? Aug 17 22:15:31 when did that conversation happen? Aug 17 22:16:44 about 7 hours ago Aug 17 22:18:24 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko.txt, Aug 17 15:38:51 Aug 17 22:19:52 admittedly, ScaredyCat's words about the state of the build process (which XorA|gone would have taken as disparaging remarks about OE) would have been a contributing factor to the reaction. Aug 17 22:20:12 * anrp has no comment Aug 17 22:20:19 pH5, i have a question Aug 17 22:20:41 but three simple commands would have confirmed or denied the assertion without people needing to put forward opinions instead of facts. Aug 17 22:20:52 pH5, what does 1a794 do? Aug 17 22:21:21 not everyone knows how to use source control (the heretics :-) Aug 17 22:21:47 i have no clue about git, for instance, but i know cvs/svn Aug 17 22:22:30 if I had Clue(tm) about git, i could get u-boot built Aug 17 22:22:45 but I'm busy... so I don't Aug 17 22:22:54 yeah, but I *know* that XorA|gone knows how to use those three commands :-) Aug 17 22:23:26 and he's usually quite pleasant to users, so I have to assume it was just a bad day. Aug 17 22:23:37 (we all have those) Aug 17 22:44:07 Can anyone point me to some pretty recent and probably working 2007.2 binaries? Aug 17 22:57:28 Has anyone written a tutorial on how to use Eclipse with JTAG and the Debug board? Aug 17 22:59:32 rwhitby: I think I've found the circular dependency problem. Aug 17 23:00:02 rwhitby: I understand the taskdata/runqueue code better after some wine :/ Aug 17 23:00:12 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Introduction]] [[User:Gilesjuk]] [[Carriers/Rogers]] [[Carriers]] Aug 17 23:46:38 Could someone help me understand what's happening with my shipment? Aug 17 23:46:47 08/17/2007 7:52 A.M. IN-TRANSIT SCAN Aug 17 23:46:55 08/17/2007 9:06 A.M. UPS IS AWAITING PAYMENT AUTHORIZATION FROM THE RECEIVER Aug 17 23:47:03 08/17/2007 10:20 A.M. THE RECEIVER DID NOT HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE ON THE 1ST DELIVERY ATTEMPT. A 2ND DELIVERY ATTEMPT WILL BE MADE / PACKAGE WILL BE DELIVERED NEXT BUSINESS DAY-NO SATURDAY GUARANTEE Aug 17 23:47:11 08/17/2007 5:30 P.M. UPS IS AWAITING PAYMENT AUTHORIZATION FROM THE RECEIVER / NO ONE ANSWERED THE PHONE WHEN UPS CALLED Aug 17 23:47:18 you gotta pay customs tax Aug 17 23:47:22 Yep. Aug 17 23:47:25 go to the local ups office and cough it up Aug 17 23:47:29 But note, I had my cell on me all the time, and I didn't receive any call at all Aug 17 23:47:35 then they had the wrong number Aug 17 23:47:43 no, they're lazy bastards Aug 17 23:47:45 Or they are just being evil. Aug 17 23:47:47 And also, it's still at São Paulo, while here is Niterói Aug 17 23:48:35 did not have funds means sounds like it means they actually met you and you had no cash on you Aug 17 23:48:39 * doc|work smells a rat Aug 17 23:49:09 Anyone seeing the circular dependency errors should upgrade to get the changes I just added to the bitbake 1.8 branch Aug 17 23:50:50 * RP -> sleep Aug 17 23:50:52 doc|work: exactly, that's why I'm so confused... How can they meet me here in Niterói (or in Rio de Janeiro where I work) if the package is still at São Paulo? Aug 17 23:50:55 (); Aug 17 23:51:15 maybe that's the ups depot for the area... Aug 17 23:52:47 anrp: São Paulo is in a whole different state Aug 17 23:53:01 anrp: it's like several hours by bus Aug 17 23:53:27 anrp: and a few hours by plane Aug 17 23:53:37 still, it's an american company, so the international presence may not be significant Aug 17 23:54:45 anrp: I'd ring them Aug 18 00:01:23 is the stuff inside a Li-ion battery toxic? Aug 18 00:01:39 flammable? Aug 18 00:01:55 Moderately, and yes. Aug 18 00:02:16 loads of fun if you just spear it! Aug 18 00:02:21 so it's not a good idea to break one open... Aug 18 00:02:24 No. Aug 18 00:02:38 depends on what you're trying to do Aug 18 00:02:42 >_> Aug 18 00:02:47 how does the battery regulate charging> Aug 18 00:03:00 heat? Aug 18 00:03:09 lithium is generally constant current to 4.235V or so (0.3C) Aug 18 00:03:10 Duke: very carefully :) Aug 18 00:03:17 then CV until the current drops below a threshold Aug 18 00:03:27 then it's done Aug 18 00:03:41 technically the CV portion is overcharging, but it gives about 10-20% more runtime Aug 18 00:03:52 Or till a time threshold. Aug 18 00:04:04 what was the deal with the exploding laptops? Aug 18 00:04:10 bad manufacturing Aug 18 00:04:11 defective batteries. Aug 18 00:04:16 battery recall, etc. Aug 18 00:04:26 poorly-matched individual cells, probably Aug 18 00:04:38 apparantly his noodlyness dislikes sony Aug 18 00:04:42 ;) Aug 18 00:04:57 sony is on my shit list Aug 18 00:05:00 LI-ion cells are not "mix & match" the way other cells are. Aug 18 00:05:09 few cells are, most don't care though Aug 18 00:05:13 lithium cares Aug 18 00:05:27 It cares with explosions. Aug 18 00:05:38 Little ones, but fun. Aug 18 00:05:53 I've long since forgotten the periodic table, but is Lithium near Sodium? Aug 18 00:05:53 i have a half kilowatt hour brick of lithium sitting behind me Aug 18 00:05:54 Something tells me they need to take some lithium... :) Aug 18 00:06:06 it would make a big boom if i charged it wrong D: Aug 18 00:06:09 DukeOfURL: yes. alkali metals Aug 18 00:06:27 lithium is at the top of the alkali metals chart Aug 18 00:06:35 It always makes me chuckle when I'm in the security line at an airport here in the US -- they take away lighters and matches, but let people go on the plane with Lithium batteries.... Aug 18 00:06:41 sodium is just below it. Aug 18 00:06:49 And USB cords. Aug 18 00:06:49 mwester: SHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 18 00:06:56 hydrocarbons are more scary Aug 18 00:07:01 lithium is "just a battery" Aug 18 00:07:03 stop giving *them* more ideas Aug 18 00:07:19 It's gonna be fun when fuel cell 'batteries' hit. Aug 18 00:07:24 hehe! Aug 18 00:07:32 travel would be utterly unbearable without all my lithium-powered toys Aug 18 00:07:40 indeed Aug 18 00:07:40 PSP, ipod, laptop, ... Aug 18 00:07:56 my lithium brick ran my laptop for 13 hours straight on a transpac flight Aug 18 00:08:14 how heavy? Aug 18 00:08:23 not much, 8kg Aug 18 00:08:27 haha. Aug 18 00:08:29 it weighed about 2kg? Aug 18 00:08:31 or so Aug 18 00:08:39 no must be a bit more.. Aug 18 00:08:44 * anrp looks Aug 18 00:08:55 * SpeedEvil has a laptop that'll do about 6 hours on one battery. Aug 18 00:08:57 At 1.1Kg. Aug 18 00:09:02 (inc the battery) Aug 18 00:09:19 i was using 40w continuously though D: Aug 18 00:09:22 Ah. Aug 18 00:09:26 Mine uses rather less. Aug 18 00:10:03 mm actually, that was right Aug 18 00:10:09 my battery pack was right around 2kg Aug 18 00:10:18 maybe 2.3-4 ish Aug 18 00:11:14 Hm, as I suspected, UPS do have a presence here in Rio de Janeiro Aug 18 00:11:35 The page on where to drop packages for sending has a list Aug 18 00:11:49 != receiving depot Aug 18 00:12:17 lots of places take packages for shipping companies here that aren't ups/fedex related Aug 18 00:12:48 sony00 Aug 18 00:12:54 er, sony-- rather Aug 18 00:17:02 what commands are you guys using for playing mp3s on this Aug 18 00:17:11 madplay Aug 18 00:17:12 mplayer Aug 18 00:17:18 ah, madplay Aug 18 00:17:21 of course Aug 18 00:17:23 thanks Aug 18 00:20:55 and ogg123 for oggs Aug 18 00:21:15 this thing has way better speakers than my laptop Aug 18 00:21:37 heh Aug 18 00:21:44 * hozer waits for the rootfs to flash Aug 18 00:22:25 what rootfs are most people using? Aug 18 00:22:53 hozer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#20070813_with_kernel_2.6.21.5-r2 Aug 18 00:22:56 these I guess Aug 18 00:24:19 I'm not joking, the worst thing about my otherwise wonderful laptop are the speakers Aug 18 00:24:28 and the neo sounds way better Aug 18 00:24:46 i haven't actually ever had my neo make any noise yet Aug 18 00:27:05 hmm later will sound a little bit worse cause of mono speakers :/ Aug 18 00:27:11 speaker* Aug 18 00:28:21 anrp: the 2007.2 image on the page I linked makes noise by default Aug 18 00:29:55 iiinnnnteresting.... Aug 18 00:42:21 madplay eats 20% cpu, ogg123 eats 70+% Aug 18 00:42:58 mplayer can be a bit lighter Aug 18 00:48:06 is there any way of changing the font size in the terminal and onscreen keyboard in 2007.2? Aug 18 01:00:12 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Pdesai]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Virginia]] Aug 18 01:03:58 RP: testing bitbake rev 913 now Aug 18 01:12:39 RP: dependency problem has not reappeared here since the bitbake update Aug 18 01:16:52 Yay I got my GTA01 in the mail today! Aug 18 01:17:03 On a friday too... that's awesome Aug 18 01:17:53 How can I confirm if I have a faulty GSM modem? I get no response when I issue a AT+CPIN=? Aug 18 01:17:54 gavin8or: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 18 01:18:28 Thnx bot, good pages for sure :) Aug 18 01:19:04 gavin8or: that's not a bot, that's a script Aug 18 01:19:25 ah my bad Aug 18 01:19:46 boo Aug 18 01:19:49 why'd you tell em? Aug 18 01:19:53 would have been interesting to watch Aug 18 01:19:54 D: Aug 18 01:20:18 gavin8or: at least you got yours, instead of crazy UPS statuses like "THE RECEIVER DID NOT HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE ON THE 1ST DELIVERY ATTEMPT" when no delivery was attempted and "NO ONE ANSWERED THE PHONE WHEN UPS CALLED" when nobody called at all Aug 18 01:20:31 haha Aug 18 01:20:51 I got on their case the day after I punched in my Credit Card and it got delivered Aug 18 01:30:12 i ordered immediately after the store opened and got it with no hassle... just a bit of delay Aug 18 01:37:39 haha I'm watching strongbad email movies on my GTA01 Aug 18 01:37:45 haha Aug 18 01:43:51 cesarb: mine's in germany. i'm in the central US. feel lucky. Aug 18 01:49:10 juri___: ouch Aug 18 01:51:47 woo hoo! got my neo1973 kit today -- where is the link on the wiki where folks were logging their order numbers & date of receipt? Aug 18 01:52:08 P1_Owners Aug 18 01:52:27 thx :) Aug 18 01:57:01 I'm hanging at : Aug 18 01:57:13 root@fic-gta01:~$ cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 Connected. Aug 18 01:57:22 :( any ideas? Aug 18 01:58:26 And where do I find out what my CPIN is? I'm using a CellularOne SIM card Aug 18 02:02:49 howzabout whatever you use for your PIN, if you enter one? Aug 18 02:02:49 hey there everyone I just got my Neo today!!! Aug 18 02:04:32 how's it working? Aug 18 02:05:06 What do you mean my PIN? they never gave me one Aug 18 02:05:25 I'm still trying to get it to work but I have confidence... I need to get to where I can shell into it before I try editing a file Aug 18 02:05:30 There's a "Prepay PIN on the cashier's receipt" Aug 18 02:05:48 haha getting a shell is easy easy Aug 18 02:06:12 of course it's easy Aug 18 02:08:13 well I have a shell on the device I mean I need to ssh into it Aug 18 02:08:40 from my laptop, because I don't want to try and vi with the stylus Aug 18 02:08:52 is your laptop linux? Aug 18 02:08:58 yes FC6 Aug 18 02:09:18 ahh.. i can give you a netplug definition to automagically set it up (including nat) Aug 18 02:09:19 lol Aug 18 02:09:34 Interlocutor, ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Aug 18 02:09:37 sure that would be awesome thanks Aug 18 02:09:56 Interlocutor, do you have any other networks that match 192.168.0.0/24? Aug 18 02:10:36 no my home network is 192.168.1.0/24 Aug 18 02:10:41 hrm right now my modem is freezing at Aug 18 02:10:42 ahh then you should be fine Aug 18 02:10:44 AT-Command Inter Aug 18 02:10:57 after doing the ifconfig, you should be able to ssh to 192.168.0.202 Aug 18 02:10:58 It can't finish the sentence Aug 18 02:11:48 hrm my usb0 isn't a network device Aug 18 02:12:27 Interlocutor, USB_Networking in the wifi Aug 18 02:12:28 strange, works fine for me on f7 Aug 18 02:12:32 Sorry wiki Aug 18 02:12:40 thanks Aug 18 02:13:21 I had originally searched for usb netowork Aug 18 02:13:26 Just follow that and you can make it work, worst case senario is you didn't compile USB networking into your kernel but it even has easy steps for how to correct that :) Aug 18 02:13:46 there is usb networking in the fedora kernel Aug 18 02:14:44 Yes but when he did menuconfig on his last recompile he might have de-selected the option Aug 18 02:15:08 I do stuff like that too when I do a recompile after midnight or while drunk ;) Aug 18 02:18:17 yeah I was recompiling me kernel for these stupid texas instruments usb-serial drivers for these GPRS modems I'm messing with so I might have unselected them Aug 18 02:18:56 Fri Aug 17 21:17:49 2007 <8> gsmd.c:227:firstcmd_tmr_cb() No response from GSM Modemroot@fic-gta01: Aug 18 02:19:02 That's bad isn't it? Aug 18 02:19:05 * jaebird thinks the term automagically is stupid Aug 18 02:19:55 That's what I get from gsmd when I issue the AT+FUN=1 command :( Aug 18 02:21:17 Bug 256 is Closed "I heard about nobody with this problem again. If somebody still suffer from this Aug 18 02:21:17 please reopen." Aug 18 02:21:29 I guess I'll have to re-open the bug eh? No way to make this work? Aug 18 02:23:53 does it respond at all? Aug 18 02:23:55 i.e. Aug 18 02:24:00 killall gsmd Aug 18 02:24:20 ~$ killall gsmd Aug 18 02:24:20 killall: gsmd: no process killed Aug 18 02:24:27 haha maybe that was my problem? Aug 18 02:24:42 .. Aug 18 02:24:43 maybe Aug 18 02:24:48 anyway, was going to say Aug 18 02:24:48 I'm running it like this: Aug 18 02:24:51 root@fic-gta01:~$ gsmd -F -s 115200 -p /dev/ttySAC0 Aug 18 02:25:16 stty raw 115200 < /dev/ttySAC0 ; cat /dev/ttySAC0 & Aug 18 02:25:28 printf 'AT+FUN=1\r\n' > /dev/ttySAC0 Aug 18 02:25:55 cu ... Aug 18 02:25:58 ... what is fun? Aug 18 02:26:03 thought it was +CFUN=1 Aug 18 02:26:13 printf/cat! Aug 18 02:26:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_07.07 Aug 18 02:26:27 handy for sending hex codes and such Aug 18 02:26:32 for develing micros Aug 18 02:26:40 Thanks Aug 18 02:26:52 and you can pipe cat to xxd and get a scrolling hex code dump of the serial ( == super nice) Aug 18 02:27:10 gonna reboot bbiaf Aug 18 02:27:21 x-chat D: Aug 18 02:31:01 those cat commands seemed to have zombied Aug 18 02:31:03 1185 root Z [cat] Aug 18 02:31:03 1189 root 540 S cat /dev/ttySAC0 Aug 18 02:31:15 You say that FUN isn't a real AT command? Aug 18 02:31:17 wot Aug 18 02:31:19 yes, process management seems a bit weak Aug 18 02:31:23 no, i just don't recall it Aug 18 02:31:26 it might be afaik Aug 18 02:31:29 lots of things zombie... Aug 18 02:32:26 that's usually Bad(tm) Aug 18 02:33:14 i'll have to hook up a serial console and grab all the things exiting improperly/unexpectedly... Aug 18 02:33:19 course that doesn't really help you Aug 18 02:33:30 dmesg -> pastebin ? Aug 18 02:33:44 YES!!! Aug 18 02:33:49 AT-Command Interpreter ready Aug 18 02:33:55 so, your modem works Aug 18 02:33:59 something funny with gsmd Aug 18 02:34:02 :) haha I had to turn the modem on and off WHILE running cu Aug 18 02:34:12 er, wait, it was off? Aug 18 02:34:37 No it was on Aug 18 02:35:15 I had turned it on and off and on and off but for some reason I had to start cu, turn it off and on again, and then go back to cu and hit Control-C Aug 18 02:35:26 haha but there is no instance of gsmd running Aug 18 02:35:33 maybe it was looking for a break? Aug 18 02:35:37 How to I kick it in the pants Aug 18 02:35:44 or maybe it was looking for something to synchronize its serial speed against Aug 18 02:36:05 may be that you need to send it a couple of commands before it responds Aug 18 02:36:08 if you're poking it by hand Aug 18 02:36:28 It's responding find now Aug 18 02:36:44 But do I need to have gsmd running before I issue the AT commands to register with the network? Aug 18 02:37:04 you shouldn't poke it with cu/printf/whatever if gsmd is running Aug 18 02:37:13 use libgsmd-tool iirc Aug 18 02:37:47 and you should let gsmd do the poking because that's what's supposed to be controlling the modem in the end Aug 18 02:37:59 * anrp highlights supposed Aug 18 02:38:53 ahh I started gsmd up Aug 18 02:39:05 gsmd -d -F -s 115200 -p /dev/ttySAC0 Aug 18 02:39:15 but it issued an ATE01 command Aug 18 02:39:23 Do I have to re-issue ATE1? Aug 18 02:39:34 01 should be interpreted as 1 .... Aug 18 02:39:38 give it a bogus command Aug 18 02:40:06 AT+BOGUS Aug 18 02:40:07 EXT: I Aug 18 02:40:07 ERROR Aug 18 02:40:09 haha Aug 18 02:40:18 that would qualify Aug 18 02:40:32 Hey what the heck is the PIN number? I've never used CellularOne before and I'm kinda clueless Aug 18 02:40:47 you can pin protect your sim card Aug 18 02:40:55 There are four 5-digit numbers on the back of the SIM card which I copied out before I installed it Aug 18 02:41:09 those are your card's serial number Aug 18 02:41:22 So I don't need to enter the CPIN command? Aug 18 02:41:28 probably not Aug 18 02:41:32 Can I just try AT+COPS now? Aug 18 02:41:38 can't hurt Aug 18 02:41:53 the worst that'll happens is you get "ERROR" Aug 18 02:41:55 AT+COPS Aug 18 02:41:55 ERROR Aug 18 02:42:06 AT+COPS=? Aug 18 02:43:17 ERROR Aug 18 02:43:33 gsmd keeps on dying on me :( Aug 18 02:44:04 AT+COPS? Aug 18 02:44:04 +COPS: 0,0,"ROGERS" Aug 18 02:44:04 OK Aug 18 02:44:45 go look at the gsm page i linked, and download the PDFs that describe the various AT commands you could use... lotsa fun reading there Aug 18 02:45:20 OK Aug 18 02:45:20 AT+COPS? Aug 18 02:45:20 +COPS: 0 Aug 18 02:45:24 You're Canadian eh? Aug 18 02:45:37 yep Aug 18 02:45:38 at+CREG? Aug 18 02:45:38 +CREG: 0,1 Aug 18 02:45:38 OK Aug 18 02:45:48 canadia~ Aug 18 02:46:09 bow before your new canadian overlords, eh? Aug 18 02:46:10 haha I'm a VERY patriotic ex-pat Aug 18 02:46:41 Sadly I have 1 choice, CellOne and they don't have the deals that I used to get with rogers 8 years ago Aug 18 02:47:38 i a suggestion for the cellular industry's new theme song... Aug 18 02:47:43 REM - Everybody Hurts Aug 18 02:49:19 haha Aug 18 02:52:31 R Aug 18 02:52:31 # # Register Aug 18 02:52:31 ERROR reding from gsm_fd Aug 18 02:52:41 hrm that's from libgsm-tool Aug 18 02:54:29 Hey I got it working! Aug 18 02:54:31 EVENT: Netreg registration denied Aug 18 02:54:36 Almost **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 18 02:59:56 2007