**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 21 02:59:56 2007
Aug 21 02:59:59 <gnu_> ferric:  one question is whether I should update u-boot.  Current plan is to try booting with the current one, then consider flashing it later.
Aug 21 03:02:54 <gnu_> ferric:  finished flashing.  It boots!
Aug 21 03:05:12 <ferric> gnu_: yes, uboot flashing isn't recommended unless you have a debug board
Aug 21 03:05:17 <ferric> gnu_: have you been able to make phone calls?
Aug 21 03:05:32 <gnu_> ferric:  it makes noise after the slow progress bar startup!  It has a ui!  It responds to the touchpanel!
Aug 21 03:05:46 <gnu_> ferric:  I haven't tried a phone call -- this instant is the very first working boot.
Aug 21 03:06:00 <gnu_> ferric:  I do have a debug board, but haven't read up on how to use it yet.
Aug 21 03:06:01 <ferric> gnu_: oh! :-)
Aug 21 03:06:03 <ferric> gnu_: congrats.
Aug 21 03:06:46 <ferric> me neither.  i can't get the speaker to respond..
Aug 21 03:08:23 <gnu_> ferric:  I get sounds (little clicks) when I touch the screen.  Also, it played a long, complicated sound after booting.
Aug 21 03:10:00 <ferric> let's see... booting mine now.
Aug 21 03:10:54 <sagacis> I'm having problems with the latest makefile.  I tested the alpha a few days ago and updated today.  Still, I get "No such file: File format not recognized" as in http://pastebin.ca/665175
Aug 21 03:12:14 <rwhitby> sagacis: can't think why that would fail
Aug 21 03:12:27 <ferric> haha
Aug 21 03:12:37 <ferric> gnu_: i hear the long, complicated sound.  classy.
Aug 21 03:12:47 <sagacis> rwhitby, I've never had a problem there before, and I don't think there has been any changes
Aug 21 03:12:53 <sagacis> s/has/have
Aug 21 03:12:54 <rwhitby> try "make clobber-openmoko setup-openmoko" (that will remove the openmoko svn dir and re-fetch it, in case it is corrupted)
Aug 21 03:13:07 <rwhitby> then "make rebuild-package-openmoko-calculator2"
Aug 21 03:13:23 <sagacis> OK.  Sounds time consuming. :-)
Aug 21 03:13:23 * ferric tries to insert a SIM card and tests.
Aug 21 03:13:36 <rwhitby> oops, clobber-openmoko does not exist yet.
Aug 21 03:13:41 <rwhitby> rm -rf openmoko stamps/openmoko
Aug 21 03:13:45 <sagacis> heh, I noticed.
Aug 21 03:13:53 <rwhitby> (none of this affects your build, just the sources)
Aug 21 03:14:06 <rwhitby> so it shouldn't be too time consuming,  just an svn checkout
Aug 21 03:14:54 <ferric> hm, dialer crashes
Aug 21 03:15:14 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03rwhitby * r145 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added the clobber-openmoko target to remove the openmoko svn checkout and cause it to be refetched next time.
Aug 21 03:16:23 <sagacis> the checkout isn't working
Aug 21 03:16:40 <sagacis> Ah.  Gotta remove stamps?
Aug 21 03:17:58 <sagacis> sorry.  I should have just copied your cmd
Aug 21 03:18:40 <sagacis> rwhitby: I tested the new "clobber-openmoko" target.  Works good.
Aug 21 03:19:17 <rwhitby> good
Aug 21 03:20:13 <linux_galore> wonder if they will move the repo to git
Aug 21 03:22:50 <ajmitch> sigh, segfault while building glibc again
Aug 21 03:23:01 <gnu_> ferric:  after ssh into it, it plays an mp3 file (that I put on the microsd card) thru the speakers.  Haven't got the hang of the UI tho.
Aug 21 03:24:04 <ferric> gnu_: ah.  can you run the dialer?
Aug 21 03:24:19 <gnu_> ferric:  I haven't *found* the dialer...
Aug 21 03:24:28 <ferric> gnu_: i can't even get a keyboard anymore - the last image had a keyboard up top
Aug 21 03:24:36 <ferric> gnu_: top left?
Aug 21 03:24:45 <ajmitch> ferric: I found the keyboard in the apps menu
Aug 21 03:25:00 <ajmitch> "input manager" under utilities
Aug 21 03:25:13 <gnu_> I was able to stumble into a game, kill it, then into a news feed reader, but couldn't figure how to kill that.  Eventually found a button that asked if I really wanted to kill al lthe apps.  I said yes.  Now I have a blank screen that says "Today" at the top left, and doesn't respond to anything.
Aug 21 03:25:57 <sagacis> gnu_: Buttons on the bottom
Aug 21 03:26:00 <ferric> ajmitch: ah
Aug 21 03:26:18 <gnu_> sagacis:  there are no buttons on the bottom.  White screen except "Today"
Aug 21 03:27:09 <ferric> click on today
Aug 21 03:27:10 <sagacis> gnu_: Are you ssh'd in?
Aug 21 03:27:13 <ferric> dialer at the top
Aug 21 03:27:41 <gnu_> clicking doesn't work any more, doesn't make a sound.  Yes, I'm ssh'd in.
Aug 21 03:28:03 <ajmitch> gnu_: I just did a reboot via ssh when I killed all the apps :)
Aug 21 03:28:08 <sagacis> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
Aug 21 03:28:27 <sagacis> restarts the xserver
Aug 21 03:28:36 <sagacis> The power button closes apps now
Aug 21 03:30:06 <gnu_> sagacis:  the x server won't quit.  the script complains.  "top" shows X still running.  I'll reboot...  thanks.
Aug 21 03:30:34 <ferric> ajmitch: i can't run input mgr... some game keeps starting uo instead
Aug 21 03:30:46 <ajmitch> lucky
Aug 21 03:30:57 <ferric> heh
Aug 21 03:31:09 * ajmitch wishes this would register on a gsm network or at least list networks
Aug 21 03:31:47 <ferric> ajmitch: you can't manually use gsm?
Aug 21 03:32:02 <ajmitch> libgsmd-tool isn't helping me much
Aug 21 03:32:07 <gnu_> gee, it won't even power down after 15 seconds holding the power button...
Aug 21 03:32:13 <ferric> ajmitch: how about using cu -l on the shell?
Aug 21 03:32:21 <ajmitch> ferric: haven't tried that one yet
Aug 21 03:32:47 <hads> ajmitch: You may need to follow the comments here; http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256
Aug 21 03:33:23 <sagacis> rwhitby: Still blowing at the same place (openmoko-calculator2)
Aug 21 03:34:06 <ajmitch> hads: ta
Aug 21 03:34:21 <ferric> um what's the root passwd on this image?
Aug 21 03:34:38 <hads> ajmitch: (for using cu that is)
Aug 21 03:35:32 <gnu_> ferric: none
Aug 21 03:35:43 <gcb77> Is it true the NEOs shipping now do not have a working system?
Aug 21 03:36:06 <gnu_> gcb77:  You have to flash a new snapshot into them when you get 'em.
Aug 21 03:36:23 <gcb77> so no way to get the GPS lib?
Aug 21 03:36:43 <gnu_> gcb77:  I don't know -- just got mine today.
Aug 21 03:36:51 <ferric> weird - it's asking me for a password
Aug 21 03:36:57 <gcb77> Mine shoul be delivering tomorow
Aug 21 03:37:00 <gnu_> ferric:  just hit return
Aug 21 03:37:04 <gcb77> :)
Aug 21 03:37:43 <ferric> gnu_: doesn't work
Aug 21 03:37:43 <ferric> http://pastie.caboo.se/89550
Aug 21 03:38:35 <gnu_> Try ssh to ...202 rather than ...203?
Aug 21 03:38:54 <ferric> .203 is the ip i gave the neo in os x
Aug 21 03:39:03 <ferric> the x server just crashed!
Aug 21 03:39:51 <hads> "the ip i gave the neo in os x"?
Aug 21 03:39:52 <gnu_> ferric:  The IP address that you assign on a Unix machine is for YOUR end of the link; 202 is the OpenMoko end.
Aug 21 03:39:53 <ferric> ok, 202 worked.
Aug 21 03:40:04 <hads> Yeah, what gnu_ said.
Aug 21 03:40:06 <gnu_> ferric:  thus, the root password you were looking for was your OSX one...
Aug 21 03:40:10 <ferric> haha
Aug 21 03:40:27 <ferric> we'll blame that on my general retardation, then. :)
Aug 21 03:40:56 <gnu_> ferric:  ifconfig is still wizardry, even in 2007.  things "just oughta" work but they sometimes don't.
Aug 21 03:41:01 <ferric> cool.  the xserver started.
Aug 21 03:41:10 <ferric> gnu_: ah
Aug 21 03:41:19 <ferric> ok lets try cu
Aug 21 03:44:38 <ferric> ok, hangs on the Connected. prompt.
Aug 21 03:44:44 <ferric> although making calls worked fine on the older build.
Aug 21 03:46:02 <ajmitch> how annoying
Aug 21 03:46:06 <ajmitch> I get the same
Aug 21 03:46:20 <ferric> ajmitch: did you enable software flow control?
Aug 21 03:47:27 <hads> See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM#Connecting_to_GSM_Modem
Aug 21 03:47:29 <ajmitch> root@fic-gta01:~$ stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts
Aug 21 03:47:36 <ajmitch> yes, that's what I've been following
Aug 21 03:47:55 <ferric> ajmitch: don't do that
Aug 21 03:47:59 <hads> The note in bold below the bunch of commands.
Aug 21 03:48:11 <ferric> yep, what hads said
Aug 21 03:48:44 <ajmitch> yes, and I ran it on a separate console now & have "OK" showing
Aug 21 03:48:52 <ferric> cool.
Aug 21 03:48:55 <ferric> now register with the network.
Aug 21 03:49:11 <ajmitch> after doing AT+COPS=? I just get +CME ERROR: 3
Aug 21 03:50:00 <ferric> mine seems to be hung.
Aug 21 03:50:04 <ajmitch> never mind me, I need to fix this up
Aug 21 03:50:45 * ajmitch should get another cheap prepaid card for testing
Aug 21 03:51:07 <Psi_> ajmitch, i got that when my simcard wasnt sitting in the slot correctly
Aug 21 03:51:41 * ajmitch reboots & tries again
Aug 21 03:51:49 <ferric> me too.
Aug 21 03:52:41 <ferric> <6>gta01-pm-gsm gta01-pm-gsm.0: powering up GSM, thus disconnecting serial console
Aug 21 03:52:49 <ferric> (does that mean my ssh connection should die?)
Aug 21 03:52:52 <ajmitch> I really need to mute that startup sound
Aug 21 03:53:36 <SpeedEvil> no, freeic
Aug 21 03:53:49 <SpeedEvil> that's only over the debug board serial port
Aug 21 03:54:36 <ferric> ah ok
Aug 21 03:54:41 <ferric> serial console = debug board?
Aug 21 03:55:45 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 21 03:56:04 <sagacis> Well, it's late.  maybe I can fix my build tomorrow.
Aug 21 03:57:08 <ferric> +COPS: (2,"T-Mobile","T-Mobile","31026"),(1,"Cingular","Cingular","310410")
Aug 21 03:57:10 <ferric> whee.
Aug 21 03:57:16 <ferric> now to get the dialer to work.
Aug 21 03:57:47 <Psi_> whos got the latest working 2007.2 build?
Aug 21 03:57:50 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]]
Aug 21 03:57:58 <ferric> Psi_: mememe
Aug 21 03:58:10 <Psi_> :P
Aug 21 03:58:22 * Psi_ adds 'available for download'
Aug 21 03:58:56 <ferric> heh.
Aug 21 03:59:06 <gnu_> Psi_:  One with a timestamp of yesterday is here:  http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/
Aug 21 03:59:34 <Psi_> mm.. sounds like its worth a try :)
Aug 21 03:59:36 <ajmitch> ok, looks like it may have actually registered on the network
Aug 21 03:59:40 <ajmitch> which is a good start
Aug 21 03:59:43 <ferric> ajmitch: sweet.
Aug 21 03:59:47 <Psi_> gnu_, thanks
Aug 21 04:04:54 <ferric> ok answering a phone using cu works, but obviously i can't hear anything
Aug 21 04:07:09 <ferric>  ajmitch/gnu_: any luck with the dialer?
Aug 21 04:07:22 <ajmitch> no, too busy trying to fix stuff at work :)
Aug 21 04:07:47 <ferric> arg.  work!
Aug 21 04:07:55 <gnu_> ferric:  I was able to punch in digits, but not to make a call.  My sim is a bit wonky anyway.  Is there UI documentation in the wiki?
Aug 21 04:10:12 <ferric> gnu_: UI doc for the dialer?
Aug 21 04:10:27 <gnu_> UI doc for any of the bizarre icons that appear on the screen.
Aug 21 04:10:47 <ferric> gnu_: heh.  possibly
Aug 21 04:19:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 717 has been created by giles.jones(AT)zen.co.uk
Aug 21 04:19:55 <cdbot2> * * Multiple copies of messages application can be launched
Aug 21 04:19:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=717
Aug 21 04:20:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 719 has been created by hns(AT)computer.org
Aug 21 04:20:55 <cdbot2> * * dfu-util should be able to initiate a nand-erase
Aug 21 04:20:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=719
Aug 21 04:21:04 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 718 has been created by hns(AT)computer.org
Aug 21 04:21:05 <cdbot2> * * dropbear does not reliably return exit status to client
Aug 21 04:21:07 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=718
Aug 21 04:21:53 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 720 has been created by planet(AT)planetspace.net
Aug 21 04:21:55 <cdbot2> * * libmokogsmd fails to compile, missing file 'common/linux_list.h'
Aug 21 04:21:55 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=720
Aug 21 04:22:53 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 721 has been created by nosdr4g(AT)hotmail.com
Aug 21 04:22:54 <cdbot2> * * dfu-util unnecessarily requires -D or -U argument for -V
Aug 21 04:22:55 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=721
Aug 21 04:23:02 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 722 has been created by <autobuild-report>
Aug 21 04:23:04 <cdbot2> * * libmokogsmd2-0.1.0+svn20070820-r1-do_compile
Aug 21 04:23:06 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=722
Aug 21 04:23:15 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 723 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de
Aug 21 04:23:17 <cdbot2> * * Today switches selected entry on tab change
Aug 21 04:23:18 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=723
Aug 21 04:23:26 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 724 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de
Aug 21 04:23:28 <cdbot2> * * today launches contacts on tab switch
Aug 21 04:23:30 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=724
Aug 21 04:23:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 725 has been created by mcl(AT)bitwise.org
Aug 21 04:23:55 <cdbot2> * * save-rtc.sh script calls hwclock.sh incorrectly
Aug 21 04:23:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=725
Aug 21 04:24:03 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 726 has been created by spamisevil(AT)alum.dartmouth.org
Aug 21 04:24:05 <cdbot2> * * Latest Snapshot (and several before it) does not finish booting
Aug 21 04:24:07 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=726
Aug 21 04:25:53 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 728 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es
Aug 21 04:25:54 <cdbot2> * * user can open various openmoko-keyboard at same time
Aug 21 04:25:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=728
Aug 21 04:26:03 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 727 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es
Aug 21 04:26:04 <cdbot2> * * user can click in close/close all buttons though there is no open app
Aug 21 04:26:07 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=727
Aug 21 04:26:15 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 731 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es
Aug 21 04:26:16 <cdbot2> * * sending numbers with DTMF
Aug 21 04:26:18 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=731
Aug 21 04:26:27 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 729 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es
Aug 21 04:26:28 <cdbot2> * * in Call History Mode there is no time/date info
Aug 21 04:26:31 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=729
Aug 21 04:26:38 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 730 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es
Aug 21 04:26:40 <cdbot2> * * Hang-up and title/"app switch" buttons are too near
Aug 21 04:26:42 <eggsy> df
Aug 21 04:26:43 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=730
Aug 21 04:26:49 <ferric> woohoo.
Aug 21 04:26:59 <ajmitch> yay for bugs
Aug 21 04:27:04 <ajmitch> ferric: got it working?
Aug 21 04:27:10 <aloril> (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released
Aug 21 04:27:56 <ferric> ajmitch: no, that was my yay
Aug 21 04:28:00 <ferric> for the bugs.
Aug 21 04:28:07 <ferric> gsmd is extremely unreliable.
Aug 21 04:29:54 <ajmitch> yeah, I'm going to need to get a separate SIM for this for now :)
Aug 21 04:30:20 <ferric> ajmitch: are you in the US?
Aug 21 04:30:50 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Release schedule GTA-2 and 2 other mails
Aug 21 04:31:32 <ajmitch> ferric: no, NZ
Aug 21 04:31:38 <juri_> jesus. thats a lot of bug filing.
Aug 21 04:31:43 <ferric> i'm getting a separate SIM too... trying to figure out if the TMobile SIM will work.
Aug 21 04:31:50 <ferric> juri_: i think it's just slow mailing list time.
Aug 21 04:32:10 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Balancing simplicity with complexity
Aug 21 04:32:10 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: mailing list management and 1 other mails
Aug 21 04:34:19 <blindcoder> moin
Aug 21 04:37:34 <rwhitby> "GTA02 will be able to supply 5V in host mode" - woohoo!
Aug 21 04:39:12 <ajmitch> that should greatly expand the number of devices that can be directly plugged in
Aug 21 04:41:19 <rtyler> YAY! we can finally talk about the august snapshot :P
Aug 21 04:42:37 <hads> That's great about the 5V
Aug 21 04:43:22 <ajmitch> rtyler: I'm sure you can talk about a whole lot more... :)
Aug 21 04:46:15 <Aztlek> bye
Aug 21 04:46:46 <ferric> has anyone been able to get gsmd to make calls reliably?
Aug 21 04:47:48 <hads> rwhitby: Where did that quote come from?
Aug 21 04:48:44 <ferric> hads: Harald's email
Aug 21 04:49:54 <hads> Hmm, the archives seem a bit delayed or something.
Aug 21 04:52:41 * rwhitby announces MokoMakefile building OM-2007.2
Aug 21 04:53:32 <gcb77> rwhitby: is it ready now?
Aug 21 04:53:45 <ajmitch> rwhitby: if only it'd build for me! :)
Aug 21 04:54:03 <ferric> awesome.  clicking on power up gsm antenna kills the whole top bar!
Aug 21 04:54:17 <ajmitch> qemu crashing isn't a usual build problem though
Aug 21 04:54:20 <rwhitby> gcb77: it's been ready for 2 days now :-)
Aug 21 04:54:40 <Jason1> 2007.1 was soooo last week ;)
Aug 21 04:55:00 <ferric> Jason1: have you been reliably making phone calls?
Aug 21 04:55:02 <gcb77> doh, you slack off for 2 days and this is what you get
Aug 21 04:55:21 * gcb77 offers personal thanks to rwhitby for the MokoMakefile
Aug 21 04:55:31 <Jason1> ferric: No.  The phone has been pretty much just sitting here.  I am builing 2007.2 now too.  I am hoping for some better results with it 
Aug 21 04:55:42 <ferric> cool.
Aug 21 04:55:48 <ferric> (why not use the pre-built images?)
Aug 21 04:55:59 <Jason1> ferric: I can get it to make calls, but you really have to work at it :)
Aug 21 04:56:21 <ferric> Mon Aug 20 00:44:42 2007 <1> atcmd.c:545:atcmd_submit() submitting command `AT'
Aug 21 04:56:25 <ferric> Mon Aug 20 00:45:11 2007 <1> gsmd.c:79:alive_tmr_cb() gsmd_alive timer expired
Aug 21 04:56:25 <ferric> i see that in the log.
Aug 21 04:56:28 <ferric> Mon Aug 20 00:45:11 2007 <8> gsmd.c:82:alive_tmr_cb() modem dead!
Aug 21 04:56:35 <Jason1> ferric: Didnt know they were available...
Aug 21 04:56:53 <ferric> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/
Aug 21 04:57:29 <Jason1> ferric: Now you tell me :)  Almost done anyway...
Aug 21 04:58:40 <ferric> Jason1: how do you compile your own images?
Aug 21 04:58:50 <Jason1> ferric: MokoMakeFile
Aug 21 04:59:51 <ferric> ah got it
Aug 21 05:00:52 <Chairboy> Silly question, does anyone have any screenshots of the new UI methodology?
Aug 21 05:04:09 <linux_galore> Chairboy: always look on flikr or youtube
Aug 21 05:06:30 <aloril> (script) openmoko-announce: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> [openmoko-announce] Balancing simplicity with complexity
Aug 21 05:14:04 <ferric> hm.  will have to investigate gsmd.
Aug 21 05:16:50 <ferric> ch: http://www.flickr.com/photos/agentdero/tags/openmoko200702/
Aug 21 05:17:18 <aloril> [[P1_Owners]]: latest delivered is #4504, latest number is #4742: seems they are catching up
Aug 21 05:19:01 <Jason1> sureglad I didnt have to wait that long to get mine :)
Aug 21 05:19:27 <Jason1> ferric: Are you running that image?
Aug 21 05:19:55 <ferric> Jason1: yep
Aug 21 05:20:14 <Jason1> ferric: Mine kernel panics
Aug 21 05:20:18 <CM> Morning :)
Aug 21 05:20:28 <ferric> Jason1: the one you built using mokomakefile?
Aug 21 05:20:41 <ferric> morning, CM!
Aug 21 05:20:52 <Jason1> ferric: No, the prebuilt snapshot you recommened above...  I decided to try it while I am waiting
Aug 21 05:20:58 <CM> I'm running an image i built yesterday with the makefile
Aug 21 05:21:12 <ferric> Jason1: you flashed the right kernel and rootfs, right?
Aug 21 05:21:19 <Jason1> ferric: yup.
Aug 21 05:21:23 <ferric> Jason1: odd.
Aug 21 05:21:47 <ferric> mine kernel panic'd but that was because i'd installed the new kernel but old rootfs.
Aug 21 05:22:36 <CM> Jason1: Mine doesn't kernel panic, but it always fails on Wrong magic number
Aug 21 05:22:49 <CM> Jason1: It boots if I select factory reset
Aug 21 05:22:52 <Jason1> ferric: n/m I am an idiot
Aug 21 05:23:39 <CM> One thing that really annoys me is that every time I flash the kernel, my u-boot-env (mtdblock1) is overwritten
Aug 21 05:23:56 <CM> I guess my u-boot is slightly broken
Aug 21 05:24:07 <CM> But I don't want to flash it since I don't have a debug board..
Aug 21 05:24:10 * ferric ponders the gsmd breakage.
Aug 21 05:24:34 <Jason1> DId they ever distribute the GPS binary???
Aug 21 05:24:44 <ferric> not that i know of.
Aug 21 05:24:53 <CM> No, they haven't yet
Aug 21 05:24:54 <ferric> 5 minutes in the modem dies
Aug 21 05:25:06 <Jason1> grrrr
Aug 21 05:25:08 <Jason1> :)
Aug 21 05:25:11 <CM> ferric: with 2007.7?
Aug 21 05:25:17 <CM> Err.. .2
Aug 21 05:25:26 * CM goes to get some coffee
Aug 21 05:25:37 <ferric> CM: yes
Aug 21 05:25:59 <Jason1> ferric: So still no phone, yet, eh?
Aug 21 05:27:07 <CM> ferric: 2 days ago the gsm didn't work at all on 2007.2
Aug 21 05:27:08 <ferric> indeed.
Aug 21 05:27:20 <ferric> CM: so we're doing much better, then :)
Aug 21 05:27:28 <CM> Exactly :-D
Aug 21 05:27:31 <Jason1> heh
Aug 21 05:27:41 * ferric will compile 2007.2 tonight, so that he has a build environment and start poking around in atcmd.c tomorrow
Aug 21 05:28:05 <CM> Hmm.. I'm subscribed to the announce list, but I haven't gotten Seans mail yet
Aug 21 05:28:58 <ferric> i got it.
Aug 21 05:29:23 <ferric> someone really needs to donate some bandwidth or servers or something to OM!
Aug 21 05:31:08 <paulproteus> BTW, can anyone report on how battery life is on the Neo?
Aug 21 05:31:15 <paulproteus> With the software in the current state, that is.
Aug 21 05:32:04 <ferric> pretty bad
Aug 21 05:34:06 <CM> paulproteus: I tried playing through all games on it one evenng, maybe 1.5h, then powered it off. Turned it on in the morning, and it lasted about 3 minutes before it died completely. That was from full charge..
Aug 21 05:40:12 <ferric> Powering up GSM device...done
Aug 21 05:40:12 <ferric> Starting gsmd: success
Aug 21 05:40:12 <ferric> ** (openmoko-dialer:1359): WARNING **: libgsmd: can't connect to gsmd. You won't receive any events.
Aug 21 05:40:16 <ferric> hm
Aug 21 05:40:17 <ferric> strange.
Aug 21 05:41:27 <ferric> rwhitby: your ascii art rox. :)
Aug 21 05:46:44 <paulproteus> And basically if you don't use it at all, it'll still die totally within 3h or so?
Aug 21 05:47:32 <CM> paulproteus: No, it should last a day at least. Maybe I had bad luck, or new battery or so.
Aug 21 05:47:48 <paulproteus> CM, Oh, okay!
Aug 21 05:47:48 <CM> The screen with bright backlight really kills the battery quickly
Aug 21 05:47:54 <paulproteus> Oh, right.
Aug 21 05:48:01 <paulproteus> Then it's probably usable as a portable calendar, then...?
Aug 21 05:48:07 <CM> Absolutely
Aug 21 05:48:22 <paulproteus> Also, does anyone have it syncing with e.g. desktop Evolution?
Aug 21 05:48:24 <CM> And you don't need to have the brightness at max
Aug 21 05:48:28 * paulproteus nods
Aug 21 05:48:44 <CM> It uses eds-dbus, so that should be easy to fix
Aug 21 05:48:55 <ScaredyCat> gah!  what was the unbroken webkit revision?
Aug 21 05:49:20 <CM> ScaredyCat: The latest builds for me
Aug 21 05:49:38 <ScaredyCat> hrrmmm
Aug 21 05:51:54 <CM> But the makefile doesn't build the kernel for me.. Hmm..
Aug 21 05:53:32 <ferric> LaF0rge: hello.
Aug 21 05:54:00 <ferric> LaF0rge: do you have any idea why gsmd would die after 5minuts under 2007.2?
Aug 21 05:58:50 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]]
Aug 21 06:00:26 <CM> aloril: I guess you noticed that I moved updated the buying interest list? :)
Aug 21 06:03:08 <aloril> CM: yeah, mind if I add link from P1_Owners page at some point?
Aug 21 06:03:18 <CM> Of course not :-)
Aug 21 06:07:39 <aloril> CM: thanks
Aug 21 06:07:59 <CM> aloril: Do you have a Neo?
Aug 21 06:08:17 <aloril> yes, one of first 100 orders ;-)
Aug 21 06:08:26 <CM> Heh, just curious
Aug 21 06:08:57 <CM> You've been around here long, and I haven't ever heard you ask anything about any bug or flashing or the makefile or anything like that
Aug 21 06:11:14 <aloril> umm... wiki answered my questions and makefile has always fixed itself eventually (or I have passed problems by hack)
Aug 21 06:11:54 <aloril> have asked some questions in #openmoko-fi and here too .. but well I know most FAQ questions already ;-)
Aug 21 06:14:56 <aloril> (and so far no flashing problems)
Aug 21 06:16:02 <aloril> well, here are some questions since you 'asked':
Aug 21 06:16:44 <aloril> 1) anybody gotten calling/answering working reliably (ie.. if you discount missing power saving, can you use it as a phone reliably for 4h?)
Aug 21 06:17:34 <aloril> 2) EABI version of gllin or running leaking version of gllin under OM2007.2 yet?
Aug 21 06:18:03 <aloril> 3) can you get it most of time make it fix inside or is it basically outside only in practice?
Aug 21 06:19:04 <aloril> 1) question has been asked recently (and earlier too I think), but I haven't been  managed to keep up with logs, so I might have missed answers
Aug 21 06:24:43 <aloril> 2) should be easy, but maybe EABI version comes out before I need to do it ;-)
Aug 21 06:25:46 <CM> aloril: I hope it does too ;)
Aug 21 06:26:17 <CM> My most annoying problem is that I think I have a bad uboot..
Aug 21 06:26:35 <CM> And I'm reluctant to flash it since I don't have a debugboard
Aug 21 06:27:36 <aloril> anyway, I'm using Neo1973 much more than my actual phone
Aug 21 06:28:03 <aloril> CM: know anybody with reasonable driving distance with debug board?
Aug 21 06:28:37 <CM> aloril: None in Sweden
Aug 21 06:28:39 <aloril> Neo1973 is with me and powered most of time
Aug 21 06:28:50 <CM> Might be someone in norway or germany
Aug 21 06:28:56 <aloril> CM: oh, then Helsinki might be closest to you then
Aug 21 06:28:59 <CM> Or of course there is, but no one I know
Aug 21 06:29:15 <CM> I'm on Gothenburg, west cost, so Oslo is closer
Aug 21 06:29:31 <aloril> ah
Aug 21 06:29:43 <CM> Hmm.. Haven't been in in Finland in quite a while now
Aug 21 06:29:49 <CM> Used to be there a lot
Aug 21 06:33:47 <aloril> CM: I have seen mjr offer unbricking if needed (based on Helsinki) so you might want to talk with him (unless you consider Helsinki being too far)
Aug 21 06:34:10 <CM> aloril: Ah, ok. Thanks. And no, it's not too far :)
Aug 21 06:35:57 <jeddy3> i remember someone in norway offering also
Aug 21 06:36:21 <CM> jeddy3: I'll ask around more desperately when I brick it ;)
Aug 21 06:37:12 <CM> But I'd really like to try with a new uboot. It's so annoying to always have to boot with factory reset, and to have to overwrite the mtdblock1 every time after having flashed a new kernel
Aug 21 06:37:40 <CM> If I don't, I don't have a boot menu.
Aug 21 06:38:27 <Fracture> Hi..  I just read the "Balancing simplicity with complexity" post and thought it sounds interesting.  Are there any screen shots of this in action ?  Alternatively, how do I go about running those images in qemu ?
Aug 21 06:38:27 <aloril> Fracture: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 21 06:38:53 <fabian> Hey Guys! Someone there, who can help me with the mokomakefile? (I know how to set it up, but step 3403 fails when building the image.)
Aug 21 06:39:09 <CM> fabian: What error?
Aug 21 06:39:41 <fabian> CM: "makedevs: /media/Fabians_HD/openmoko-dev/build/tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin: file can not be created!" (due to the fact, the dir bin does not exist.)
Aug 21 06:39:55 <aloril> http://www.flickr.com/photos/agentdero/tags/openmoko200702/
Aug 21 06:40:05 <CM> fabian: Hmm.. tinylogin, never heard of
Aug 21 06:40:07 <aloril> http://www.youtube.com/user/mokoNinja
Aug 21 06:40:17 <aloril> Fracture: see above links
Aug 21 06:40:22 <Fracture> alorill taa !
Aug 21 06:40:24 <torpor> arrgh .. out of disk space .. can i safely rm_work?
Aug 21 06:40:25 <CM> fabian: I just built the latest version with the makefile 1h ago
Aug 21 06:40:37 <fabian> CM: hmm..
Aug 21 06:40:40 <CM> torpor: IT works for me
Aug 21 06:41:00 <CM> fabian: Have you tried to do a "make update ; make setup" again?
Aug 21 06:42:03 <rwhitby> torpor: rm_work works fine now
Aug 21 06:42:11 <torpor> ok
Aug 21 06:42:22 <torpor> so bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image
Aug 21 06:42:29 <torpor> and then i can continue with the compile ..
Aug 21 06:42:31 <fabian> CM: not yet... (it's the last step :( starting from the beginning would take a lot of time) when I type the commands by hand and create the bin-dir, then it works. but the script removes /rootfs
Aug 21 06:42:52 <aloril> oh, question which I have asked earlier which at some point probably will have answer if not already: 4) suitable alsa state files to use Neo1973 as voice note taking machine
Aug 21 06:42:59 <rwhitby> torpor: yep, or "make remove-work"
Aug 21 06:43:22 <torpor> thx rwhitby .. 
Aug 21 06:44:01 <CM> I'm not getting any sound from my neo with the image I build yesterday with the makefile. Not even after unmuting with alsamixer
Aug 21 06:44:01 <aloril> umm.. there are lots of TODO's ;-)
Aug 21 06:45:22 <torpor> rmm .. make remove-work does not work. ;*(
Aug 21 06:45:24 <aloril> 4) should be easy according to XorA (I think he plans to look at it and other sound states files at some point)
Aug 21 06:45:30 <fabian> any chances to change that step only?
Aug 21 06:45:34 <trains> hi. i'm trying this snapshot (http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/) in qemu under windows but i don't know how to use the jffs2 file. The original zip file contained a openmoko-flash.base and openmoko-flash.image. Does the jffs2 file replaced these 2 files?
Aug 21 06:45:59 <torpor> http://rafb.net/p/ulTy8c66.html
Aug 21 06:46:19 <aloril> 0) kernel module to turn fast charge on, I suspect this will always remain inofficial addition (maybe I'll do it this week)
Aug 21 06:47:26 <aloril> oh, has anybody else had this problem: 5) use Neo1973, then reboot -> uSD not anymore readable (IO errors on boot)
Aug 21 06:47:35 <ajmitch> aloril: yep
Aug 21 06:47:46 <torpor> rwhitby: http://rafb.net/p/ulTy8c66.html ... could this be disastrous?
Aug 21 06:47:53 <aloril> -> rebooting doesn't fix, need to take battery out first: then it usually works
Aug 21 06:48:33 <rwhitby> torpor: do you have INHERIT += "rm_work" in your local.conf ?
Aug 21 06:48:40 <torpor> no
Aug 21 06:48:42 <torpor> thats it.
Aug 21 06:48:54 <aloril> sounds like something is not properly reseted (or it might be something else, not even taking battery out always helps: need to repeat it)
Aug 21 06:49:03 <ajmitch> aloril: I haven't tried taking the battery out, but I did notice that I never got a device node in /dev after the first time I saw it today
Aug 21 06:49:20 <CM> fabian: I don't know for sure, but you can try this: http://rafb.net/p/dpBEsx50.html
Aug 21 06:49:39 <CM> fabian: Then restart building the openmoko-devel-image
Aug 21 06:49:47 <torpor> makes sense not to have rm_work around .. 
Aug 21 06:50:00 <aloril> ajmitch: if you take battery out, boot (repeat until its visible): how many tries needed? (usually 1 is enough for me)
Aug 21 06:50:16 <aloril> ajmitch: oh, I have 2GB Ultra II card
Aug 21 06:50:46 <ajmitch> aloril: I only got it this morning, so I'll have to test it a few times :)
Aug 21 06:51:31 <fabian> CM: well, the problem is not tinylogin, but the bin-directory which is not created by the makefile, I think
Aug 21 06:51:39 <trains> Sorry for the repetition. hi. "i'm trying this snapshot (http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/) in qemu under windows but i don't know how to use the jffs2 file. The original zip file contained a openmoko-flash.base and openmoko-flash.image. Does the jffs2 file replaced these 2 files?"
Aug 21 06:51:42 <CM> fabian: Ah, ok
Aug 21 06:51:58 * ajmitch restarts it
Aug 21 06:52:35 <fabian> CM: I'm gonna rebuild it as there is no other way for me...
Aug 21 06:53:26 <CM> fabian: If you have the patience, do that. Otherwise you might find someone here who knows better how to solve the problem
Aug 21 06:53:50 <CM> fabian: Especially if you have a full paste (pastebin, rafb) of the problem. 
Aug 21 06:54:36 <fabian> CM: well, why making so much work for others, if a simple recompile should do? :) I'll tell you if it worked or not, see you later (in half a day or so...)
Aug 21 06:56:28 <mdt> do the wikis docs about mokomakefile still apply? in the wiki is documented that a dirctory build/. is used while since update-makefile yesterday a directory build-OM-2007.1/ is used instead. also my local .bb files (and probably my local.conf) are not found anymore...
Aug 21 06:57:59 <ajmitch> aloril: 1 power down, battery out, restart & no microSD
Aug 21 06:58:29 <aloril> ajmitch: what kernel/rootfs?
Aug 21 07:00:11 <ajmitch> a very recent one, 2.6.22 & I can't recall what rootfs
Aug 21 07:03:39 <aloril> still openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin here
Aug 21 07:04:03 <rwhitby> heh - I get the touchscreen calibrated 90 degrees on qemu problem here too
Aug 21 07:04:04 * ajmitch is trying to do a build from scratch, but I suspect it'll take awhile
Aug 21 07:04:21 <rwhitby> mdt: wiki instructions still apply
Aug 21 07:04:22 <ajmitch> since I killed everything off since qemu-arm was crashing
Aug 21 07:04:35 <torpor> ajmitch: i've been trying for 5 days to complete my first build from scratch
Aug 21 07:04:38 <rwhitby> your 2007.1 build is preserved, and a new directory is created for the 2007.2 build
Aug 21 07:05:04 <ajmitch> torpor: I've managed to do it in the past
Aug 21 07:05:06 <rwhitby> you will need to transfer any local modifications you made to the 2007.1 build dir
Aug 21 07:05:07 <mdt> rwhitby, strange, here it builds in build-OM-2007.1 which is not as documented and local .bb are not found - any idea?
Aug 21 07:05:28 <rwhitby> mdt: I doubt that it actually builds in build-OM-2007.1
Aug 21 07:05:54 <rwhitby> it does a "mv build build-OM-2007.1" as the first step of the 2007.1 to 2007.2 migration, but then builds in ./build
Aug 21 07:05:55 <mdt> rwhitby, ;) me too but it did... over the night :/
Aug 21 07:06:27 <mdt> rwhitby, i do a make clobber and restart :/
Aug 21 07:06:44 <rwhitby> moving from 2007.1 to 2007.2 is effectively a clobber anyway
Aug 21 07:07:31 <torpor> why is make remove-work still building packages first?
Aug 21 07:07:37 <mdt> rwhitby, what does that .2 mean anyway? is it a tag in svn? and how do i get head?
Aug 21 07:07:54 <rwhitby> .2 is current generation, e.g. hea
Aug 21 07:07:55 <rwhitby> head
Aug 21 07:08:19 <rwhitby> you've read sean's email I presume
Aug 21 07:08:32 <mdt> rwhitby, oups, no.... wait
Aug 21 07:09:24 * rwhitby is still waiting for his MokoMakefile announcement sent hours ago to get through the lists
Aug 21 07:12:26 <Fracture> I am running out of space on the drive that contains the moko root folder (containing the moko make file)  I tried to relocate the files but then the make file failed due to a mismatch of path names.  I found setup-env and changed the OMDIR environment variable, which I changed to the new location, but the problem still exists.  Where else may I need to change the path ?
Aug 21 07:14:12 <mdt> Fracture, i would suggest to do a symlink to some space. build/ is the directory with most space needed
Aug 21 07:15:03 <Fracture> mdt: ok, I thought it may have been easy to configure the build.  I was hoping that the Makefile used relative paths.. but it looks like some must be hard coded
Aug 21 07:15:38 <Fracture> mdt: I am using lvm, so I may just try and resize the partition, if I can squeeze some space from somewhere else :)
Aug 21 07:20:09 <rwhitby> mdt: symlinks don't work in OE
Aug 21 07:20:27 <rwhitby> Fracture: are you using the rm_work tip?
Aug 21 07:20:51 <mdt> rwhitby, not at all?
Aug 21 07:20:53 <Fracture> rwhitby: no. (I don't think so at least)
Aug 21 07:20:58 * rwhitby work on removing the "make qemu" dependency on monotone OE completely
Aug 21 07:21:12 <torpor> so is remove_work going to try to finish the full builds firs,t then remove the work (leaving packages freshly minted), or what?  coz i just started remove-work and it seems like its still finishing the builds ..
Aug 21 07:21:20 <rwhitby> mdt: builds will fail if you have a symlink in the path - it's a libtool problem I believe
Aug 21 07:21:45 <ajmitch> rwhitby: I never had a problem with it, but the builds always managed to get the real path
Aug 21 07:21:58 * ajmitch has /home/moko as a symlink to a directory on a far larger volume
Aug 21 07:22:22 <rwhitby> torpor: it should go through all dependencies in order, and run rm_work after the build of each package is done.  i.e. already built packages will just have rm_work done on them
Aug 21 07:22:36 <torpor> i see
Aug 21 07:22:47 <torpor> hope i don't run out of disk space again then .. 
Aug 21 07:23:05 <rwhitby> torpor: when I did it the space when steadily down as it progressed :-)
Aug 21 07:23:32 <rwhitby> ajmitch: it's a known problem in OE - perhaps it has been fixed recently, but it is still listed on the OE wiki pages.
Aug 21 07:24:13 <ajmitch> I've had a number of successful builds in the last month or two with it, so it doesn't seem to be too bad
Aug 21 07:34:49 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03rwhitby * r146 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Removed the dependency link between running qemu on official images, and having to use monotone or openembedded.
Aug 21 07:37:01 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03abraxa * r2752 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (21 files in 3 dirs): 
Aug 21 07:37:01 <CIA-20> openmoko: Added metadata processing and caching
Aug 21 07:37:01 <CIA-20> openmoko: Added playlist chooser
Aug 21 07:37:01 <CIA-20> openmoko: Added volume slider
Aug 21 07:37:01 <CIA-20> openmoko: Enhanced playlist handling
Aug 21 07:37:03 <CIA-20> openmoko: Prepared GUI and codebase for playlist editing
Aug 21 07:37:05 <CIA-20> openmoko: Various bugfixes
Aug 21 07:37:24 <torpor> rwhitby: its not workig for me .. just ran out of disk space again.  any safe way to manually recover some disk space?
Aug 21 07:37:52 <rwhitby> torpor: do you have a build-OM-2007.1 dir you can delete?
Aug 21 07:37:58 <torpor> nope
Aug 21 07:38:06 <rwhitby> or anything in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01 ?
Aug 21 07:38:39 <torpor> yes i have stuff in fic-gta01 .. cna i just rm it?
Aug 21 07:39:00 <rwhitby> yep - you might need to rebuild specific packages (like the kernel) to get it back for the rootfs and final image build though
Aug 21 07:39:19 <torpor> its only 30m anyway\
Aug 21 07:40:07 <rwhitby> bitbake -c rm_work -b path/to/a/package/like/gcc.bb
Aug 21 07:40:30 <rwhitby> i.e. do it manually on individual big packages
Aug 21 07:40:37 <torpor> ok
Aug 21 07:41:49 * rwhitby tests "make qemu" in an empty dir to make sure it no longer needs to download or use a monotone database
Aug 21 07:43:47 <ajmitch> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting
Aug 21 07:43:52 <ajmitch> yay!
Aug 21 07:44:53 <_buz> rwhitby: maybe it shouldnt need monotone at all then?
Aug 21 07:49:42 <rwhitby> _buz: that's the eventual goal
Aug 21 07:50:04 <rwhitby> (i.e. if you just want to run qemu on official images, then you don't need to have monotone installed)
Aug 21 07:51:37 <_buz> yeah that would rock
Aug 21 07:52:02 <_buz> did the patches against qemu go upstream?
Aug 21 07:52:48 <mjr> wow, gta02 will supply 5V to usb
Aug 21 07:53:04 <_buz> yeah i just saw that too
Aug 21 07:53:12 <_buz> webcam here we come
Aug 21 07:53:18 <mjr> (well, "most likely")
Aug 21 07:53:50 <_buz> it will probably drain your battery QUICKLY tho
Aug 21 07:54:02 <mjr> yeah if you actually draw power from it
Aug 21 07:54:17 <_buz> yeah well it does help even if you dont
Aug 21 07:54:28 <_buz> powered hubs might expect to see current even if they dont use it
Aug 21 07:54:28 <mjr> should be nice for downloading pics from an internally powered pocket cam for instance
Aug 21 07:54:37 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03rwhitby * r147 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Ensure the setup-qemu target has all the right dependencies, but still does not depend on monotone or openembedded
Aug 21 07:54:39 <mjr> yes, and other devices such as the one mentioned
Aug 21 07:55:14 <_buz> now maybe a usb camera addon would be feasible
Aug 21 07:57:39 <_buz> rwhitby: make qemu yields http://pastebin.ca/665356
Aug 21 07:59:11 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[Wishlist:Bible_Reader]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Gothenburg]]
Aug 21 07:59:22 <rwhitby> _buz: not with r147 it doesn't.
Aug 21 07:59:41 <rwhitby> (see seven lines up ^^)
Aug 21 07:59:44 <_buz> that was r146 i think
Aug 21 08:05:41 <ccube66> hi guys! :)
Aug 21 08:05:59 <mjr> (comes to mind that would it be useful, battery-wise, if the neo could feed something like 3.3V on request to the USB, instead of the standard 5V, and if Neo-spesific addons could request that...)
Aug 21 08:07:00 <ccube66> ive got a problem with my neo
Aug 21 08:07:06 <ccube66> just arrived yesterday
Aug 21 08:07:19 <ccube66> someone here who can help me?
Aug 21 08:07:19 <aloril> Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ )
Aug 21 08:08:58 <jeddy3> ccube66, what kind of problem?
Aug 21 08:09:39 <ccube66> it always turns off after a minute, the battery is totally empth, but it will not load if connected to USB
Aug 21 08:09:48 <ccube66> (was connected the whole night)
Aug 21 08:10:26 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03rwhitby * r148 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Should be able to 'make qemu' without monotone installed now
Aug 21 08:11:03 <jeddy3> ccube66, you have any other usb-ports that supply more power?
Aug 21 08:11:11 <mdt> ccube66, did you connect it via usb with you pc or a charger?
Aug 21 08:12:11 <ccube66> charged with several PCs
Aug 21 08:12:49 <mjr> ccube66, pop the battery for 20 seconds or so, leave charging (say) overnight, or at least several hours, turn on, make sure fast charging is negotiated (that is, the PC loads a suitable usb network device driver)
Aug 21 08:12:51 <Placid> morning
Aug 21 08:13:29 <CM> ccube66: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery
Aug 21 08:14:29 <CM> ccube66: I had the same problem after I had discharged it completely. Took about 45 minutes in a good usb-port to get into the boot menu. There I turned on the fast charge and left it plugged in
Aug 21 08:14:47 <Placid> The steps are out of sync in that post, CM.
Aug 21 08:14:56 <mjr> then fix it
Aug 21 08:15:03 <Placid> That I shall
Aug 21 08:15:26 <_buz> ok now it works
Aug 21 08:15:44 <CM> Placid: Hmm.. It is.. That blue thing wasn't there last time I looked at the page
Aug 21 08:16:01 * CM only copied fromt he ffox history
Aug 21 08:16:03 <ccube66> sorryy
Aug 21 08:16:07 <ccube66> just tried sth
Aug 21 08:16:09 <Placid> CM: I meant the steps at the bottom of the page. You don't say to reinsert the battery :)
Aug 21 08:16:18 <CM> Hehe
Aug 21 08:16:20 <ccube66> My Nokia BL%C seems compatible
Aug 21 08:16:29 <Placid> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery
Aug 21 08:16:37 <ccube66> ah, thx
Aug 21 08:16:49 <Placid> I've added a 'Insert the Battery.' step :D
Aug 21 08:17:04 <ccube66> ill try this
Aug 21 08:23:27 <zash_se> someone who has the neo; what text is on the charger?
Aug 21 08:24:52 <mdt> zash_se, charger?
Aug 21 08:24:54 <FuzzyCat> what charger?
Aug 21 08:25:03 <zash_se> is there even a charger?
Aug 21 08:25:05 <FuzzyCat> no
Aug 21 08:25:09 <FuzzyCat> usb cable
Aug 21 08:25:18 <zash_se> no wall-outlet to usb?
Aug 21 08:25:21 <FuzzyCat> no
Aug 21 08:29:13 <zash_se> i bought a wall->usb thingie that says output: dc5v/1000mA.. will that work for the neo?
Aug 21 08:29:34 <FuzzyCat> I'm going to Hell :P
Aug 21 08:29:35 <FuzzyCat> if (!$this->GodExists && !$this->FoundGod) {
Aug 21 08:29:35 <FuzzyCat> 		$this->FoundGod = true;  // philosophically is this ever true?
Aug 21 08:32:10 <ccube66> hehe
Aug 21 08:38:00 <ccube66> someone loading the NEO with a Windoes Computer here?
Aug 21 08:38:06 <ccube66> *Windows
Aug 21 08:38:54 <mjr> zash_se, the neo will not draw over 500 mA, and with your wall charger it'll probably do that only in autofast mode, which is currently only available if you are in u-boot
Aug 21 08:39:33 <ccube66> yes, but hte device manager doesnt tell me that there is the phone using the power
Aug 21 08:39:39 <ccube66> no 100mA
Aug 21 08:39:50 <ccube66> thats what im wondering about
Aug 21 08:40:20 <_buz> is the mouse supposed to work in qemu?
Aug 21 08:40:30 <mjr> ccube66, it will draw 100mA
Aug 21 08:40:39 <ccube66> ah
Aug 21 08:40:43 <ccube66> ok, my mistake
Aug 21 08:41:04 <ccube66> another USB Hub in my device manager tells me,. that there is a device taking 100
Aug 21 08:41:09 <mjr> ccube66, it won't try to register as a usb device if it's, you know, turned off, which is probably why it's not shown...
Aug 21 08:41:10 <ccube66> i think, its the NEO
Aug 21 08:41:12 <ccube66> :)
Aug 21 08:41:16 <ccube66> thx
Aug 21 08:41:44 <Dmitry_Platonov> _buz, only via touchpad emulation
Aug 21 08:42:00 <_buz> so how exactly should one use qemu then?
Aug 21 08:42:09 <Dmitry_Platonov> s/touchpad/touchscreen/
Aug 21 08:42:10 <apt> Dmitry_Platonov meant: _buz, only via touchscreen emulation
Aug 21 08:42:43 <Dmitry_Platonov> _buz, do you have touchscreen calibration on first boot?
Aug 21 08:42:54 <_buz> no
Aug 21 08:42:59 <_buz> but i used make download-images
Aug 21 08:43:06 <_buz> not compile from scratch
Aug 21 08:43:32 <gordonsyme> _buz: I've found that the touchscreen in qemu is 90 degrees rotated from the display
Aug 21 08:43:55 <gordonsyme> So the "contacts" button is pressed by clicking near the bottom right
Aug 21 08:43:56 <Dmitry_Platonov> _buz, you can mount rootfs image, rm etc/pointercal and reflash. Should help.
Aug 21 08:43:59 <gordonsyme> which is confusing
Aug 21 08:45:01 <Dmitry_Platonov> _buz, I assume you do not have network emulation between host and qemu.
Aug 21 08:45:19 <_buz> no
Aug 21 08:45:24 <_buz> just plain mokomakefile
Aug 21 08:51:10 <Dmitry_Platonov> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_.28MTD_RAM.29_device
Aug 21 08:54:36 <Dmitry_Platonov> mount, modify rootfs, umount, dd rootfs back, flash
Aug 21 08:58:29 * FuzzyCat sees the 'simple media player'
Aug 21 08:58:44 <FuzzyCat> shame libgsmd is still fecked
Aug 21 08:59:07 <FuzzyCat> wel, the moko one
Aug 21 08:59:15 * cjb_ie wonders if FuzzyCat is irish
Aug 21 08:59:22 <cjb_ie> or just watches too much father ted :-)
Aug 21 08:59:27 <sixfeet> moin
Aug 21 08:59:51 <FuzzyCat> drink! feck ! arse! girls! nuns! nuns! reverse ! reverse!
Aug 21 08:59:59 <cjb_ie> reverse?
Aug 21 09:00:16 <FuzzyCat> the episode with the nuns
Aug 21 09:00:23 <FuzzyCat> they were in a cars
Aug 21 09:00:26 <FuzzyCat> car
Aug 21 09:00:38 <cjb_ie> but thank you for that gratuitously clear answer to my question :)
Aug 21 09:00:52 <zash_se> FuzzyCat: ; ffs
Aug 21 09:01:02 <FuzzyCat> wha?
Aug 21 09:01:19 <zash_se> :D
Aug 21 09:02:00 <gordonsyme> Anybody been able to build qt4-x11-free? The do_populate_staging task keeps b0rking for me
Aug 21 09:02:25 <FuzzyCat> http://www.amazon.com/Father-Ted-Nuns-Reverse-Vol/dp/B00005A1TS
Aug 21 09:05:15 <jeddy3> hmm, anyone have experience with setuptools?
Aug 21 09:05:42 <jeddy3> Requirement.parse fails, eventhough i have dependency needed
Aug 21 09:06:52 <jeddy3> ah mickeyl, what great timing you have =)
Aug 21 09:07:59 <jeddy3> python-setuptools doesn't want to acknowledge my python-evas installation :P
Aug 21 09:09:08 <mdt> jeddy3, you play around with evas? which one? x11, directfb or fb? do you have samples?
Aug 21 09:09:22 <jeddy3> mdt, not yet :)
Aug 21 09:09:50 <mdt> jeddy3, but you want to?
Aug 21 09:10:06 <jeddy3> mdt, yes, very much so
Aug 21 09:10:18 <mdt> jeddy3, why evas?
Aug 21 09:10:29 <mickeyl> jeddy3: pastebin me a log
Aug 21 09:10:47 <mickeyl> jeddy3: is this from oe.dev ?
Aug 21 09:11:13 <jeddy3> mickeyl, yes i believe so...using mokomakefile
Aug 21 09:11:49 * FuzzyCat mutters about using a dev version
Aug 21 09:11:53 <jeddy3> mickeyl, http://pastebin.com/d14ff74ef
Aug 21 09:14:17 <mickeyl> jeddy3: let me guess, this is building edje, right?
Aug 21 09:15:01 <jeddy3> mdt, it seems reasonable... know your prefferal towards fb/directfb :)
Aug 21 09:15:16 <jeddy3> mickeyl, python-ecore
Aug 21 09:15:34 <mickeyl> jeddy3: ok, lets do the following
Aug 21 09:15:52 <mickeyl> jeddy3: paste bin the log to me from:
Aug 21 09:16:06 <mdt> jeddy3, i started with evas but found it badly documented... you use it with x11?
Aug 21 09:16:09 <mickeyl> tmp/work/python-evas-<revision>/temp/log.do_stage<.pid>
Aug 21 09:16:20 <jeddy3> mdt, yes, was planning to
Aug 21 09:16:35 <mickeyl> fwiw, the nice thing with EFL is that they support a shitload of backends
Aug 21 09:16:36 <mdt> jeddy3, evas has no input stuff, right?
Aug 21 09:16:55 <jeddy3> mdt, mouse/keyboard? yes
Aug 21 09:17:04 <mickeyl> mdt: i personally added tslib support to ecore.
Aug 21 09:17:06 <aloril> mjr: actually if you set neo to fast move in u-boot menu and then boot it stays in fast mode (until you remove cable)
Aug 21 09:17:13 <aloril> (or reboot)
Aug 21 09:17:42 <aloril> s:move:mode:
Aug 21 09:18:21 <jeddy3> mickeyl, http://pastebin.com/m6e3560aa
Aug 21 09:19:23 <jeddy3> s/mouse/keyboard? yes/evas has input/
Aug 21 09:19:42 <jeddy3> mdt, evas has input
Aug 21 09:21:34 <mdt> jeddy3, as far as i remember it hasnt... you have to feed events into evas, ?
Aug 21 09:22:35 <mdt> jeddy3,  as mickeyl says its in ecore
Aug 21 09:22:54 <jeddy3> mdt, yes my bad, its not in evas
Aug 21 09:23:27 <mdt> jeddy3, do u use the whole stack or evas alone?
Aug 21 09:24:13 <jeddy3> mdt, i don't use it at all yet :), but i was planning ecore/evas and maybe edje
Aug 21 09:28:04 <mdt> jeddy3, no ewl/etk?
Aug 21 09:28:11 <jeddy3> mdt, and yeah, the documentation could use some freshing up
Aug 21 09:28:17 <mickeyl> jeddy3: ah right, that's before I put the necessary fix into
Aug 21 09:28:23 <jeddy3> mdt, no ewl, maybe etk
Aug 21 09:28:28 <mickeyl> jeddy3: update your tree, then rebuild python-evas and show me the log again, please
Aug 21 09:28:37 <mickeyl> (the new do_staging log should be larger then)
Aug 21 09:28:42 <jeddy3> mickeyl, will do, thanks for bothering
Aug 21 09:28:47 <mickeyl> :)
Aug 21 09:30:25 <mdt> jeddy3, and controlled by a python script? do you plan a application in openmoko's gui or a replacement?
Aug 21 09:33:51 <gordonsyme> Quick question about the X start order: I mounted the jffs2 image and removed /etc/pointercal. The first entry in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ is to run /usr/bin/xtscal as long as /etc/pointercal doesn't exist and $TSLIB_TSDEVICE is a string of non-zero length. However, when I boot the image (in qemu) it doesn't run the touchscreen calibration. Any thoughts what I'm doing wrong?
Aug 21 09:34:12 <jeddy3> mdt, yes python for starters =)...I'll be happy if i'll make an application to begin with...i'm toying for evaluating it :)
Aug 21 09:34:31 <gordonsyme> Forgot to add, I also unmounted and dd'd the mtd device back to the jffs2 image file
Aug 21 09:34:58 <jeddy3> shrug, my english is crap
Aug 21 09:36:41 <mdt> jeddy3, i use python already but for some thinks its much to slow. i would like to use lua but don't like that language... have you taken a look at lua?
Aug 21 09:36:41 <mdt> jeddy3, mine too ;)
Aug 21 09:37:13 <jeddy3> mdt, ok...no havent used lua
Aug 21 09:38:12 <mdt> jeddy3, why did you choose evas and python?
Aug 21 09:38:13 <Dmitry_Platonov> gordonsyme, did you reflash it?
Aug 21 09:38:50 <gordonsyme> Dmitry_Platonov: yes
Aug 21 09:39:09 <gordonsyme> I think I may work on getting USB networking with qemu going
Aug 21 09:39:24 <jeddy3> mdt, i have used pygame (python-sdl) fairly much for things before...and i'm thinking python-evas must be faster
Aug 21 09:39:35 <gordonsyme> then I could at least get at a console
Aug 21 09:39:38 <mickeyl> gordonsyme: calibration is usually no longer necessary, since we ship precalculated coefficients. if you want the calibration dialog to appear rm /etc/pointercal
Aug 21 09:39:42 <jeddy3> mdt, so should be ok
Aug 21 09:40:09 <gordonsyme> mickeyl: I did so, but the calibration dialog didn't run
Aug 21 09:40:41 <Dmitry_Platonov> gordonsyme, as I build images myself, I excluded pointercal package (it's only content is /etc/pointercal) from image. Solved issue for me. As of networing, please share your results.
Aug 21 09:41:29 <gordonsyme> mickeyl: I'm using qemu though so I may well be playing outside of what's necessary for the Neo itself
Aug 21 09:41:51 <mickeyl> if you remove /etc/pointercal and the calibration dialog doesn't run, then this is a bug
Aug 21 09:42:14 <Dmitry_Platonov> mickeyl, shipped pointercal does not match touchscreen (at least, qemu's emulation of it)
Aug 21 09:42:18 <gordonsyme> mickeyl: ok, I want to be certain that it isn't me messing things up before I file anything though
Aug 21 09:42:38 <jeddy3> mickeyl, hmmm, not sure if it built something updated...
Aug 21 09:42:47 <jeddy3> mickeyl, same error
Aug 21 09:43:20 <mickeyl> jeddy3: ok, step-by-step. does your classes/distutils.class have a disutils_stage_all method ?
Aug 21 09:43:42 <gordonsyme> Dmitry_Platonov: I currently can't build images, the do_populate_staging task for qt4-x11-free-4.3.0 fails on me. I'm still looking into it
Aug 21 09:43:57 <gordonsyme> Dmitry_Platonov: how to I exclude packages from the build?
Aug 21 09:44:00 <gordonsyme> s/to/do
Aug 21 09:44:44 <jeddy3> mickeyl, openembedded/classes/distutils.bbclass have distutils_stage_all, yes
Aug 21 09:45:02 <mickeyl> jeddy3: good. next question: does your python-evas recipe calls that?
Aug 21 09:45:14 <florian> good morning
Aug 21 09:45:18 <mickeyl> morning florian 
Aug 21 09:45:27 <jeddy3> mickeyl, yes
Aug 21 09:45:37 <jeddy3> in do_stage()
Aug 21 09:45:47 <mickeyl> jeddy3: ok. then call bitbake -f -c populate_staging python-evas and paste the resulting do_stage.log to me
Aug 21 09:45:55 <Dmitry_Platonov> gordonsyme, try replace "inherit qmake qt4x11 pkgconfig" with "inherit qmake pkgconfig" in org.openembedded.dev/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb
Aug 21 09:47:11 <jeddy3> mickeyl, python-evas, not python-ecore?
Aug 21 09:47:15 <mickeyl> yes, python-evas
Aug 21 09:47:21 <mickeyl> since the problem is the staging in python-evas
Aug 21 09:47:25 <mickeyl> previously it wasn't complete
Aug 21 09:47:34 <mickeyl> leading to python-ecore missing evas
Aug 21 09:48:23 <jeddy3> mickeyl, do_stage failed...from which dir do i call it?, ./build?
Aug 21 09:48:39 <mickeyl> yes, you need to be inside the build directory
Aug 21 09:48:52 <jeddy3> yes, it fails
Aug 21 09:49:00 <mickeyl> hmm how?
Aug 21 09:50:16 <jeddy3> http://pastebin.com/d3a15eb0c
Aug 21 09:51:03 <mickeyl> oh, never seen that
Aug 21 09:51:17 <mickeyl> then again, i don't know much about mokomakefile
Aug 21 09:51:26 <mickeyl> better use mokomakefile to completely rebuild the python-evas package
Aug 21 09:51:35 <morricone> Has anyone screenshots from the new interface?
Aug 21 09:52:01 <jeddy3> me neither, was inside ./setup_env, and in build dir
Aug 21 09:52:04 <Stephmw> howdy
Aug 21 09:52:22 <jeddy3> but first time i call bitbake outside of mokomakefile
Aug 21 09:52:24 <mickeyl> jeddy3: the problem is probably that i did the class change but forgot to bump PR, hence python-evas didn't automatically got rebuild. 
Aug 21 09:52:35 <jeddy3> mickeyl, ah!
Aug 21 09:52:37 <mickeyl> jeddy3: so you need to force a rebuild of python-evas
Aug 21 09:52:51 <mickeyl> and afterwards, python-ecore should find -evas
Aug 21 09:54:05 * jeddy3 is building
Aug 21 09:54:20 * mickeyl needs to do some tax work, will be here later tonite
Aug 21 09:54:35 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, thanks a million for all the help!
Aug 21 09:54:53 <mickey|taxes> np, hope it works now. if not, we'll continue
Aug 21 09:54:57 <mickey|taxes> to work on it
Aug 21 09:57:07 <torpor> why the requirement to be in the build dir?  can't bitbake find its own build dir?
Aug 21 09:57:42 <jeddy3> seems like do_staging still fails though...but no matter, go make your taxes now! :)
Aug 21 09:59:12 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Repositories]] [[Main_Page]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[Screen_Shots]] [[Userspace_root_image]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]]
Aug 21 10:03:13 <jsmanrique> hi
Aug 21 10:07:07 <jeddy3> jsmanrique, hi :)
Aug 21 10:08:48 <jsmanrique> any screenshots of openmoko new interface?
Aug 21 10:10:03 <Derbot2> for me X doesn't start on this new version
Aug 21 10:10:06 <Derbot2> just flashed
Aug 21 10:11:35 <mdt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Using_a_local_overlay mentiones ${OMDIR}/oe in setup-env but that directory does not exist, is that correct? my setup-env does not contain that.
Aug 21 10:13:21 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, btw, manually creating site-packages in  /staging/arm-.../lib/python2.5/ solved it
Aug 21 10:15:03 <Derbot2> notice: if X doesn't start on 2007.2 do mv /etc/ts.conf to /etc/ts.conf.orig
Aug 21 10:16:15 <florian> jsmanrique: http://scap.linuxtogo.org
Aug 21 10:17:57 <cesarb> mdt: that just means you are using 2007.2
Aug 21 10:18:05 <cesarb> mdt: which does not use that directory anymore
Aug 21 10:18:22 <mdt> so http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Using_a_local_overlay is outdated....
Aug 21 10:18:24 <cesarb> mdt: (you were lucky I had just arrived here ;-) )
Aug 21 10:18:24 <mdt> ?
Aug 21 10:18:31 <mdt> thnx
Aug 21 10:18:38 <florian> hi LaF0rge 
Aug 21 10:18:46 <cesarb> mdt: I didn't even download a 2007.2 using mokomakefile yet ;-)
Aug 21 10:19:05 <cesarb> mdt: way too busy, plus I have to free some extra disk space
Aug 21 10:19:20 <Derbot2> 2007.2 is suposed to come without icons ? (image from buildhost)
Aug 21 10:19:40 <cesarb> mdt: feel free to add a note to that page saying that ${OMDIR}/oe does not exist with a more recent Mokomakefile and 2007.2
Aug 21 10:21:25 <FuzzyCat> cesarb, has it arrived yet ?
Aug 21 10:21:42 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: almost
Aug 21 10:22:11 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: after a stunning display of the typical Brazilian bureaucracy, I and my friend whose CC I used managed to get it unstuck
Aug 21 10:22:26 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: it should get here in up to 2 days
Aug 21 10:22:48 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: the tracking page says 23/08
Aug 21 10:23:30 <FuzzyCat> finally eh... seems like a bit of a nightmare
Aug 21 10:24:36 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: I sorta expected some trouble with the import tax payment
Aug 21 10:24:57 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: I didn't expect it to be that tangled, but my friend is good at untangling such things
Aug 21 10:26:12 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: basically, the final delivery is made by a third party (or so the 0800 girl explained), so we had to pay _before_ they released the package into the normal flow again, not when the package arrives at the final destination
Aug 21 10:27:07 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: after talking to 0800 twice (the girl's email only arrived yesterday, the guy we talked to the second time's email arrived much faster) I had three payment options...
Aug 21 10:28:21 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: by credit card (fill a form and send it by fax), bank deposit (do the deposit, fill a form and send it by fax), and "boleto bancário" (a thing where you get a document you can pay at the bank, usually using the ATMs; again, I had to send a fax)
Aug 21 10:28:28 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: obviously, I have no fax machine
Aug 21 10:29:11 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: oh, and you had to ring the guy to confirm your fax arrived (somehow fax seem less reliable than even email...)
Aug 21 10:29:47 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: of course, the guy called us back because the delivery address didn't match the CC address (of course, the CC is my friend's, not mine; I don't have one yet)
Aug 21 10:30:02 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: so we had to fax another document, and call again to confirm it arrived
Aug 21 10:30:05 <cesarb> *phew*
Aug 21 10:30:59 <FuzzyCat> wow
Aug 21 10:32:02 <cesarb> FuzzyCat: heh, what will really stun you is the tax: 60% import duty, and 18% ICMS (some sort of sales tax) _on top of it_ :D
Aug 21 10:32:46 <cesarb> (of course, I knew the tax was 60% even before I ordered, so it didn't surprise me much... only annoyed me)
Aug 21 10:32:59 <SpeedEvil> Yow.
Aug 21 10:33:02 <SpeedEvil> 60%?
Aug 21 10:33:06 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: yep
Aug 21 10:33:19 * SpeedEvil is suddenly glad of only 25%ish
Aug 21 10:33:23 <FuzzyCat> holy crap!
Aug 21 10:33:26 * SpeedEvil is suddenly glad of only 23%ish
Aug 21 10:33:57 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: 60% over the _combined_ product value and transport price
Aug 21 10:33:58 <Derbot2> in romania i paid only 19% - VAT
Aug 21 10:34:16 <FuzzyCat> cesarb, perhaps you should have taken a quick hliday to the usa... would have been cheaper
Aug 21 10:34:22 <SpeedEvil> Argentina?
Aug 21 10:34:27 <FuzzyCat> holiday
Aug 21 10:34:48 <SpeedEvil> Swallowing the neo in a condom will take practice though.
Aug 21 10:34:53 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: and the ICMS is sorta 18% over the sum of the three things (product value, transport price and import tax) (the real formula is a little more complicated, so it ends up being lower than 18%)
Aug 21 10:34:54 <ewon> crikey, I reckon I could amke a bit of money bringing a few mokos with me every time I fly home to europe from the states :)
Aug 21 10:34:56 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: Brazil
Aug 21 10:35:14 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
Aug 21 10:36:07 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: ah, and the fun doesn't end: remember the fun housing crisis sort of in the middle of the last week? The value of the dollar jumped, right when the neo arrived on customs ;-)
Aug 21 10:36:24 <SpeedEvil> :/
Aug 21 10:37:27 <SpeedEvil> Still, at least you're not in Zimbabwe.
Aug 21 10:45:12 <SpeedEvil> That's not good.
Aug 21 10:45:40 <SpeedEvil> scp -rv root@phone:/* .
Aug 21 10:45:46 <SpeedEvil> and it reboots.
Aug 21 10:46:09 <SpeedEvil> Hmm - it was in /dev
Aug 21 10:48:09 <sree_> is there ny way to analyse other gsm channels in openmoko. still the gsm stack is propeitry
Aug 21 10:48:14 <SpeedEvil> No.
Aug 21 10:48:25 <SpeedEvil> You got an AT modem. Nothing more.
Aug 21 10:48:39 <sree_> oops
Aug 21 10:48:46 <Derbot2> does this mean you won't get cell broadcasts also ?
Aug 21 10:48:55 <sree_> usrp costs a lot
Aug 21 10:48:56 <SpeedEvil> you get whatever 'normal' phones get.
Aug 21 10:48:58 <SpeedEvil> basically.
Aug 21 10:49:16 <SpeedEvil> you do not get to haxx0r the network.
Aug 21 10:49:28 <sree_> ha ha k k
Aug 21 10:49:29 <Derbot2> i need to get cell id and cell broadcasts .. this should be doable 
Aug 21 10:49:34 <SpeedEvil> Yopu get cell ID
Aug 21 10:49:46 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure about cell broadcasts, as I've never actually seen one.
Aug 21 10:49:50 <SpeedEvil> On any phone.
Aug 21 10:50:08 <Derbot2> do you get location if on your phone display ?
Aug 21 10:50:10 <Derbot2> err
Aug 21 10:50:14 <Derbot2> "location info"
Aug 21 10:50:22 <Derbot2> that's cell broadcast
Aug 21 10:50:23 <SpeedEvil> No.
Aug 21 10:50:28 <sree_> i have seen once herald talking abt the gsm stack
Aug 21 10:50:31 <SpeedEvil> Do you mean cell-site name?
Aug 21 10:50:36 <Derbot2> yes
Aug 21 10:50:47 <SpeedEvil> I've not seen that.
Aug 21 10:50:49 <SpeedEvil> Only hex.
Aug 21 10:51:01 <SpeedEvil> Verbose names that is.
Aug 21 10:51:09 <SpeedEvil> There may be a way to extract that.
Aug 21 10:51:15 <Derbot2> in europe most gsm operators broadcast this
Aug 21 10:51:20 <SpeedEvil> harald was almost certaintly talking about gsmd
Aug 21 10:51:22 <cjb_ie> used to be that when i roamed in the UK my phone would tell me what landline area codes were local
Aug 21 10:51:32 <cjb_ie> but i haven't seen that in a few years
Aug 21 10:51:40 <Derbot2> so you know about the zone where you are
Aug 21 10:51:50 <Derbot2> weird
Aug 21 10:52:12 <Derbot2> i've seen this recently in italy, austria, hungary, romania and turkey
Aug 21 10:52:36 <Derbot2> i thought is very common
Aug 21 10:52:50 <cjb_ie> (because at the time some of the operators charged local calls cheaper, even though it undoubtedly went via some roundabout route that didn't mean "local" calls cost the cellcos any less)
Aug 21 10:52:56 * SpeedEvil tries stuff
Aug 21 10:53:12 <sree_> thank u speed. ie we can run anly standard at commands
Aug 21 10:53:24 <Derbot2> cjb_ie: probably that's also cell broadcast
Aug 21 10:53:40 <cjb_ie> Derbot2: probably.
Aug 21 10:53:43 <sree_> no hope of ny other things over that usart
Aug 21 10:54:15 <Derbot2> i have to take a look at AT commands for gsm modem
Aug 21 10:54:35 <sree_> that are standard ones
Aug 21 10:54:44 <sree_> just usual at's
Aug 21 10:54:51 <SpeedEvil> You get cell info like 
Aug 21 10:54:52 <SpeedEvil> ]+CREG: 2,1,"00B1","A358"
Aug 21 10:54:54 <SpeedEvil> easily
Aug 21 10:55:05 <SpeedEvil> that's network and cell-site
Aug 21 10:55:09 * SpeedEvil investigates more.
Aug 21 10:55:22 <zash_se> cell-site == cell-tower or something?
Aug 21 10:55:22 <Derbot2> yes, i see the page in wiki
Aug 21 10:55:38 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 21 10:55:47 <sree_> speed ny hope of analysing channels other than usrp
Aug 21 10:55:49 <Derbot2> i call it 'cell id' every cell in a tower has a unique id
Aug 21 10:56:04 <Derbot2> a site may have more cells (usually 3 afaik)
Aug 21 10:56:29 <SpeedEvil> yeah.
Aug 21 10:56:36 <SpeedEvil> usrp?
Aug 21 10:56:45 <SpeedEvil> and what do you mean by 'analysing channels?'
Aug 21 10:57:23 <sree_> ie can i just dumb those channels other than that my sim authenticates
Aug 21 10:57:42 <SpeedEvil> No.
Aug 21 10:57:45 <Derbot2> sree_ : :)
Aug 21 10:57:54 <SpeedEvil> You get only what a normal phone might expose.
Aug 21 10:57:57 <sree_> k
Aug 21 10:57:58 <sree_> k
Aug 21 10:58:20 <SpeedEvil> To do otherwise would actually make the neo illegal to own/sell (at least in the UK)
Aug 21 10:58:35 <Derbot2> probably that's why they keep gsm specs secret :)
Aug 21 10:59:26 <cesarb> Derbot2: you mean the GSM chip specs, right? The specs for GSM itself are AFAIK public...
Aug 21 10:59:55 <Derbot2> cesarb: gsm specs are not public, you have to pay big $$$ to get those
Aug 21 11:00:02 <sree_> hey their algorithms are already broken. gsm is still alive only for the reason that harwares are propeitry
Aug 21 11:00:16 <Derbot2> and probably you sign a big NDA
Aug 21 11:00:18 <cjb_ie> i've got a big impenetrable book of GSM specs if it'd be any use to anyone
Aug 21 11:00:31 <cesarb> Derbot2: (btw, the only use I've ever seen for cell broadcast is mostly useless and I almost always have it turned off: it broadcasts "Claro RJ 21" or whatever your state and area code is, on channel 50, constantly)
Aug 21 11:00:33 <SpeedEvil> It's not that the hardware is proprietory.
Aug 21 11:00:39 <SpeedEvil> It's that teh hardware is expensive.
Aug 21 11:00:49 <sree_> yes thats it
Aug 21 11:01:04 <SpeedEvil> If the hardware to hack GSM was in the hands of a hundred thousand undersocialised 12 year olds, bad stuff happens.
Aug 21 11:01:07 <cesarb> Derbot2: http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/
Aug 21 11:01:11 <trains> hi. i'm trying this snapshot (http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/) in qemu under windows but i don't know how to use the jffs2 file. The original zip file contained a openmoko-flash.base and openmoko-flash.image. Does the jffs2 file replaced these 2 files?
Aug 21 11:01:28 <Derbot2> cesarb: here in bucharest you get the neighbourhood, it's usefull
Aug 21 11:01:42 <sree_> ha ha
Aug 21 11:01:53 <sree_> speed its not so easy
Aug 21 11:02:21 <cjb_ie> seriously, if any gsm developing types would have a use for such a book, PM me
Aug 21 11:02:25 <sree_> but its quite true that stored channels can be decoded later
Aug 21 11:02:26 <Derbot2> cesarb: afaik that's not everything is open
Aug 21 11:02:59 <sree_> gsm is pretty good stuff to try
Aug 21 11:02:59 <SpeedEvil> sree_: no - I mean stuff like users using channels not in coordination with the tower to send data.
Aug 21 11:03:15 <sree_> k
Aug 21 11:03:15 <sree_> k
Aug 21 11:03:21 <cesarb> gtg work
Aug 21 11:03:47 <sree_> speed have u seen that new a5 cracking stuff
Aug 21 11:04:06 <SpeedEvil> Doesn't really interest me.
Aug 21 11:04:11 <SpeedEvil> So haven't looked.
Aug 21 11:04:33 <sparktherookie> @trains: jffs2 is the filesystem - treat this file like a "hard drive"...
Aug 21 11:04:44 <SpeedEvil> If I had interesting or bad stuff to do, it'd be going over tor, using a pre-shared key.
Aug 21 11:05:16 <sree_> hey im not talking abt bad stuff
Aug 21 11:05:39 <sree_> at least some one shld take care so the bad stuff doesn't happen
Aug 21 11:06:21 <sree_> security stuff is really amazing
Aug 21 11:06:27 <Derbot2> all we can do here is to make sofware encryption of voice ..
Aug 21 11:06:36 <trains> sparktherookie: i tried to pass the file as the argument for -mtdblock but the emulator doesn't start. it opens the emulator window with the wrong size and nothing more happens
Aug 21 11:06:38 <Derbot2> via ip ..
Aug 21 11:07:22 <sree_> ny way good to see u speed
Aug 21 11:07:26 <sree_> and thanks
Aug 21 11:10:19 <Derbot2> ** (openmoko-today:1870): WARNING **: Cannot set icon: Unrecognized image file format
Aug 21 11:10:35 <Derbot2> it's open a png file 
Aug 21 11:10:38 <Derbot2> 2007.2
Aug 21 11:10:42 <Derbot2> any hint ?
Aug 21 11:12:14 <tonyg> 'morning all
Aug 21 11:12:52 <tonyg> since the switch from plain old openmoko (2007?) to 2007.2, the qa rules for packages have changed
Aug 21 11:13:05 <tonyg> my simple-minded package no longer builds :-(
Aug 21 11:13:48 <sparktherookie> @trains: Hmm.. got no experience for this on Windows machines... do you need Win32 for this? If not, you could use a VMware appliance with Ubuntu in VMware Player or install a distribution of your choice in VirtualBox.
Aug 21 11:14:03 <sparktherookie> Consulting the wiki...
Aug 21 11:15:00 <trains> sparktherookie: i think that the parameters for qemu are the same under windows or linux. Can you tell me the parameters you use to start qemu?
Aug 21 11:16:51 <sparktherookie> cd qemu-neo1973
Aug 21 11:16:51 <sparktherookie> arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -M neo -m 130 -mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image -kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin -usb -show-cursor
Aug 21 11:17:51 <trains> sparktherookie: ok. so the openmoko-flash.image is the jffs2 file?
Aug 21 11:19:15 <Dmitry_Platonov> trains, no. it's created with openmoko/flash.sh
Aug 21 11:20:08 <sparktherookie> You might want to check this out here: https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/flash.sh
Aug 21 11:20:50 <sparktherookie> Perhaps you can execute this with Cygwin...
Aug 21 11:23:35 <trains> ah! ok. thanks sparktherookie, Dmitry_Platonov. now i understand the relation between the jffs2 file and base and image files.
Aug 21 11:26:33 <sparktherookie> I got another issue: The current "August Snapshot Build" of 2007.2 (19 Aug) runs awfully slow and does not respond on the "Today"-screen. Did not check logs yet. Does this occur to anyone else?
Aug 21 11:27:23 <gordonsyme> sparktherookie: are you running in qemu?
Aug 21 11:28:01 <gordonsyme> sparktherookie: the touchscreen calibration is preset for the Neo device
Aug 21 11:28:08 <sparktherookie> @gordonsyme: Yes... sorry, forgot to mention...
Aug 21 11:29:21 <gordonsyme> sparktherookie: which causes strange transforms on the click coordinates when you use qemu
Aug 21 11:29:29 <sparktherookie> Alright, that would make sense...
Aug 21 11:30:20 <gordonsyme> sparktherookie: removing /etc/pointercal from the rootfs image is supposed to cause the pointer calibration routine to be run on boot, I haven't had much luck with it yet
Aug 21 11:31:17 <Dmitry_Platonov> gordonsyme, does you have any progress with build?
Aug 21 11:31:50 <sparktherookie> That's it, thank you very much - somewhat nervous clicking causes applications to open randomly :)... I'll give the calibrating thing a try.
Aug 21 11:33:25 <gordonsyme> Dmitry_Platonov: webkit build died later on. I clobbered everything and am starting again (hopefully this time without the pointercal package). Currently generating approx. 1 million glibc locales
Aug 21 11:35:03 <torpor> NOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/no_debug_x.patch not found.
Aug 21 11:36:51 <Dmitry_Platonov> gordonsyme, not sure proposed change will exclude pointercal. It was possible workaround for qt4 breakage (as qt4 is not used by anything anyway).
Aug 21 11:37:41 <gordonsyme> Dmitry_Platonov: I did your qt4 suggestion, but also removed pointercal from any package dependencies as well
Aug 21 11:37:52 <gordonsyme> Might as well do both since a rebuild takes so long ;)
Aug 21 11:38:11 <torpor> holy molies .. if i include rm_work, does this automatically increase the # of tasks reported in the build process?  coz i was *so* close to finishing this build yesterday until i added rm_work (1000 tasks left) but now the total # of tasks has doubled .. 
Aug 21 11:38:50 <gordonsyme> torpor: adding rm_work added about 1000 tasks for me
Aug 21 11:38:56 <gordonsyme> or so...
Aug 21 11:40:07 <torpor> ok thats good to know, thanks for confirming that ..
Aug 21 11:44:40 <Richard_> While using gst, OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 403: oil_test_check_impl(): function conv_s16_f32_lrintf in class conv_s16_f32 failed check (54 > 0.1) || (outside)
Aug 21 11:44:47 <Richard_> Why
Aug 21 11:47:31 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2753 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-dialer: * Added themeing for the dialer autocomplete tips.
Aug 21 11:51:31 * hhf423 starts to flash 2007.8
Aug 21 11:51:56 <woglinde> 8?
Aug 21 11:52:11 <hhf423> .8
Aug 21 11:52:15 <zash_se> 8 as in aug
Aug 21 11:52:16 <ewon> zomg
Aug 21 11:52:18 <Derbot2> hhf423: the "official" one ?
Aug 21 11:52:24 <hhf423> yesss
Aug 21 11:52:36 <Derbot2> hhf423: tell us how is it pls
Aug 21 11:53:13 <hhf423> the one announced here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/009498.html
Aug 21 11:53:54 <Derbot2> hhf423: i tried it 2h ago and got a lot of problems (no icons, no gsm, no dbus-x11)
Aug 21 11:54:02 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2754 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Aug 21 11:54:02 <CIA-20> openmoko: 2007-08-21 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
Aug 21 11:54:02 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/Makefile.am:
Aug 21 11:54:02 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-contacts.c: (new_digit), (add_number),
Aug 21 11:54:02 <CIA-20> openmoko:  (moko_contacts_fuzzy_lookup), (moko_contacts_get_photo),
Aug 21 11:54:04 <CIA-20> openmoko:  (moko_contacts_add_contact), (free_digit),
Aug 21 11:54:08 <CIA-20> openmoko:  (moko_contacts_finalize), (moko_contacts_init):
Aug 21 11:54:16 <Derbot2> hhf423: i'm curious if it's just me
Aug 21 11:56:11 <zash_se> .8 == .2 ?
Aug 21 11:56:36 <hhf423> .8 is based on .2 i believe
Aug 21 11:56:46 <hhf423> so its more .2 like than .1 like
Aug 21 11:56:53 <hhf423> but read the announcement
Aug 21 11:57:03 <hhf423> there have been changes as I understand it
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Aug 21 12:04:44 * hhf423 is booting. this is like chrismas!
Aug 21 12:07:15 <jeddy3> did someone else notice the "Stay updated easily w/ ipkg update && ipkg upgrade" in 2007.8 readme >=D
Aug 21 12:07:42 <Derbot2> hhf423: how is it ?
Aug 21 12:08:27 <rwhitby> jeddy3: yes, that should work now, for everything except the kernel (unless someones put flashing code in the postinst for the kernel ipk)
Aug 21 12:08:34 <hhf423> the "powerbutton" menu has more entries, a screenshot entry
Aug 21 12:08:49 <jeddy3> rwhitby, nice, really nice!
Aug 21 12:09:01 <rwhitby> jeddy3: that's standard for OE
Aug 21 12:09:02 <hhf423> but the bloody top menu crashed on me when I said "power up gsm" like most of the times with previous versions
Aug 21 12:09:27 <hhf423> jeddy3 that sounds good, where is that?
Aug 21 12:09:29 <Derbot2> hhf423: so, do you see icons and menu, have you done "nand erase" before flashing ?
Aug 21 12:09:41 <jeddy3> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/README.html
Aug 21 12:11:12 <hhf423> Derbot2: of course I see icons and menus, at first sight it looks like .2
Aug 21 12:11:37 <Derbot2> hhf423: did 'nand erase' ?
Aug 21 12:12:28 * rwhitby predicts massive .2 vs .8 confusion
Aug 21 12:12:45 <hhf423> nand erase is only required when the image is smaller than the previous
Aug 21 12:12:59 <rwhitby> and you're not running the latest uboot (which does it automatically)
Aug 21 12:13:01 * ruoso really thinks this naming schema is confusing by itself
Aug 21 12:13:26 <ScaredyCat> wtf is .8
Aug 21 12:13:28 * mickey|taxes can't understand the confusion
Aug 21 12:13:31 <mickey|taxes> it's 2007.08
Aug 21 12:13:33 <mickey|taxes> not 2007.8
Aug 21 12:13:42 <mickey|taxes> snapshot date vs. OM generation
Aug 21 12:13:50 <Derbot2> hhf423: ok, thanks
Aug 21 12:14:10 <rwhitby> mickey|taxes: the problem is that people are abbreviating both to .2 and .8
Aug 21 12:14:48 <mickey|taxes> well, next time i'm going to add months in cleartext then
Aug 21 12:14:53 <mickey|taxes> 2007.August
Aug 21 12:15:35 <zash_se> ll
Aug 21 12:15:42 <zash_se> whops, wrong terminal
Aug 21 12:15:54 <ruoso> mickey|taxes, better using a codename or a version number
Aug 21 12:16:04 <ruoso> using dates as versions is confusing
Aug 21 12:16:11 <mickey|taxes> well
Aug 21 12:16:15 <mickey|taxes> the readme states
Aug 21 12:16:15 <mickey|taxes> snapshots have no version number
Aug 21 12:16:17 <mickey|taxes> ups
Aug 21 12:16:17 <ruoso> when you have different versions in the same dates
Aug 21 12:16:23 <mickey|taxes> OpenMoko 2007.2 August Snapshot
Aug 21 12:16:29 <hhf423> well, so far it totally does not convince me. it does not ask for PIN and the top menu crashes on "power up gsm antenna"
Aug 21 12:16:39 <rwhitby> well, the .8 abbreviation is only 25 minutes old (first used by hhf423), so maybe we can quash it quickly.
Aug 21 12:16:42 <ruoso> the problem is that the 2007.1 image has snapshots built in 2007 august
Aug 21 12:16:43 <yoyo> hi all
Aug 21 12:17:00 <ruoso> this is the confusion
Aug 21 12:17:13 <keesj> just feels like gentoo 2007.1 :p
Aug 21 12:18:31 <yoyo> what version of u-boot is newest and stable?
Aug 21 12:18:45 <rwhitby> yoyo: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ I would expect
Aug 21 12:18:51 <rwhitby> (doesn't any read Sean's emails?)
Aug 21 12:19:13 <hhf423> first used by me? please look at the mail from sean
Aug 21 12:19:28 <yoyo> rwhitby: I have a basic version of moko. It wheel start device?
Aug 21 12:19:32 <hhf423> I did not call the directory 2007.8
Aug 21 12:19:45 <ScaredyCat> codenames are stupid.
Aug 21 12:20:01 <ScaredyCat> noone will know which is which
Aug 21 12:20:09 <rwhitby> hhf423: Sean and Mickey both said 2007.08 - you were the first to miss the extra 0
Aug 21 12:20:19 * hhf423 agrees with ScaredCat but point out that "people" like codenames a lot
Aug 21 12:20:25 <rwhitby> (which then confuses it with 2007.2 the generation)
Aug 21 12:20:33 <mickey|taxes> let's leave codenames for actual releases
Aug 21 12:20:41 <mickey|taxes> right now we're still in the only-snapshots mode
Aug 21 12:20:42 <hhf423> ooo
Aug 21 12:20:44 <hhf423> my bad
Aug 21 12:20:57 <hhf423> I actually never realized the 0 in ,08
Aug 21 12:21:26 <hhf423> but its really more like 2007.2.8 or so
Aug 21 12:22:13 * rwhitby waits for mickey|taxes to scream
Aug 21 12:23:20 <jeddy3> where can i see current processor-speed?
Aug 21 12:23:22 <mickey|taxes> anyway, i hope you all make regular use of the "upload screenhost to scap.linuxtogo.org" feature
Aug 21 12:23:42 <zash_se> why not %y.%m-{$generation} or something
Aug 21 12:24:32 * rwhitby goes to 2007.bed
Aug 21 12:25:42 <hhf423> mickey|taxes: is that the extra menu on the powerbutton menu?
Aug 21 12:25:50 <mickey|taxes> ya. 
Aug 21 12:25:57 <mickey|taxes> hold powerbutton -> screenshot
Aug 21 12:25:59 <mickey|taxes> try also 
Aug 21 12:26:06 <mickey|taxes> hold powerbutton -> swap orientation
Aug 21 12:26:37 <hhf423> where does the screenshot then go?
Aug 21 12:26:43 <mickey|taxes> well
Aug 21 12:26:47 * SpeedEvil wraps his neo in foil, round the USB to see what happens.
Aug 21 12:26:48 <mickey|taxes> "upload screenhost to scap.linuxtogo.org" feature
Aug 21 12:26:53 <mickey|taxes> what would you expect? :D
Aug 21 12:27:04 <mickey|taxes> hint: it starts with scap and ends with linuxtogo.org
Aug 21 12:27:18 <hhf423> amazing! zomg!
Aug 21 12:27:33 <hhf423> faeturezz
Aug 21 12:27:54 <hhf423> SpeedEvil: foil?
Aug 21 12:28:04 <SpeedEvil> Wacky. I can't lose GSM signal.
Aug 21 12:28:16 <hhf423> SpeedEvil: i'll suffocate!
Aug 21 12:28:20 <hhf423> it'll
Aug 21 12:28:21 <SpeedEvil> I was trying to see if I could get new cell broadcast notifications.
Aug 21 12:28:53 <hhf423> SpeedEvil: does the signal strenghts at least go down?
Aug 21 12:29:04 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
Aug 21 12:29:23 <hhf423> then you have the right foil, you just need more of it
Aug 21 12:30:01 <hhf423> and did you ground the foil?
Aug 21 12:30:10 <SpeedEvil> I prolly need to do something to log it while removing the USB lead.
Aug 21 12:30:16 <FuzzyCat> on his tin foil hat?
Aug 21 12:30:48 <hhf423> whats it got to do with USB?
Aug 21 12:31:06 <SpeedEvil> If it's plugged into USB, then the USB lead provides an antenna.
Aug 21 12:31:09 * hhf423 notes that there is a little storm outside his window
Aug 21 12:31:49 <hhf423> SpeedEvil: you worried about "the evil waves"?
Aug 21 12:31:50 <SpeedEvil> Hail, mud, bee?
Aug 21 12:32:05 <SpeedEvil> hhf: I was trying to trigger a cell broadcast, when the phone logged back on.
Aug 21 12:32:47 * hhf423 does nad erase for good measure and good karma and flashes again
Aug 21 12:33:00 <cjb_ie> you just need to live in a faraday cage
Aug 21 12:33:08 * SpeedEvil doesn't want his nads erased.
Aug 21 12:33:25 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
Aug 21 12:33:29 <SpeedEvil> at+cfun=0
Aug 21 12:34:41 <hhf423> fun or no fun?
Aug 21 12:34:51 <SpeedEvil> That turns the modem off.
Aug 21 12:35:00 <hhf423> so no fun
Aug 21 12:36:43 <SpeedEvil> That turns the modem off.
Aug 21 12:36:46 <hhf423> was anywhere mentioned how many neos are sold?
Aug 21 12:36:51 <FuzzyCat> 4
Aug 21 12:37:16 <jeddy3> anyone have an idea of where i get current cpufrequency in neo?
Aug 21 12:37:29 <hhf423> apm?
Aug 21 12:37:46 <zash_se> is there a /proc/cpuinfo ?
Aug 21 12:37:50 <hhf423> flashing done
Aug 21 12:38:01 <FuzzyCat> ys
Aug 21 12:38:05 <mdt> zash_se, on the neo? shure...
Aug 21 12:38:35 <jeddy3> hhf423, apm only shows batterystatus it seems
Aug 21 12:39:01 <jeddy3> and cpuinfo doesn't show current speed
Aug 21 12:39:21 <zash_se> grep cpu /proc/cpuinfo ?
Aug 21 12:39:32 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03mickey * r2755 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/data/Battery_Plug.png: openmoko-panel-battery: use flash image instead of plug
Aug 21 12:39:43 <zash_se> no cpu MHz : ????
Aug 21 12:40:10 <zash_se> or do you mean current cpu-usage?
Aug 21 12:40:21 <hhf423> whoooo
Aug 21 12:40:41 <hhf423> now the neo makes a boot up sound. looks like the nand erase was actually required
Aug 21 12:41:10 <robster> hhf423: did you update u-boot?
Aug 21 12:41:13 <jeddy3> zash_se, yes current
Aug 21 12:41:36 <hhf423> robster: no, did not. I have no debug board
Aug 21 12:41:57 <zash_se> jeddy3: try running top
Aug 21 12:42:13 <hhf423> but as soon as I do "power up gsm antenna" the bl**dy menau craps out on me
Aug 21 12:42:36 <jeddy3> zash_se, no no...current frequency
Aug 21 12:42:53 <FuzzyCat> that startup sound gets annoyigng v quickly.... turn it on in the config.. :)
Aug 21 12:43:34 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: usually, I do not have to startup my phone for week. but of course with the neo its multiple times daily
Aug 21 12:43:39 <robster> hhf423: newish uboot removes the necessity for the nand erase
Aug 21 12:44:32 <hhf423> robster: ah, I see
Aug 21 12:45:21 * FuzzyCat uploads snapshots of rude things to scap...
Aug 21 12:48:14 <FuzzyCat> does that simple media player actually make it into the image?
Aug 21 12:49:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03mickey * r2756 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/data/Battery_Plug.png: openmoko-panel-battery: white flash
Aug 21 12:49:43 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, there btw?
Aug 21 12:49:50 <mickey|taxes> yea
Aug 21 12:50:10 <Derbot2> speedevil: any luck with CB?
Aug 21 12:50:53 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, python-ecore and python-evas both wants to create a /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/easy-install.pth...
Aug 21 12:51:17 <mickey|taxes> jeddy3: yes. that's a packaging bug. feel free to ipkg install --force-overwrite
Aug 21 12:51:19 <mickey|taxes> (IIRC)
Aug 21 12:51:29 <mickey|taxes> this easy-install foo is new to me anyways
Aug 21 12:51:31 <mickey|taxes> have to read up on it
Aug 21 12:51:39 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, oh! ...shrug, should've tried that x_X
Aug 21 12:52:36 <daxxar> What should I do to build 2007.2 using MokoMakefile?
Aug 21 12:53:23 <CM> daxxar: Just download the latest one and get started
Aug 21 12:53:51 <gordonsyme> daxxar: you'll need a supply of dribbly candles and at least one goat for potential sacrifice :)
Aug 21 12:54:00 <daxxar> Hehe
Aug 21 12:54:01 <CM> daxxar: If you haven't compiled it before, it might be easier to start with a completely clean directory
Aug 21 12:54:16 <daxxar> CM: Ah, the official MokoMakefile is updated? :-)
Aug 21 12:54:37 <daxxar> Just catching up on the ml, and read a post saying it wasn't "official" yet. :-)
Aug 21 12:54:40 <daxxar> Guess it was old ;P
Aug 21 12:54:44 <gordonsyme> daxxar: there is an update-makefile target in the mokomakefile
Aug 21 12:54:58 <CM> It shouldn't be necessary, but I never managed to finish a 2007.2 build until I moved all old cruft to an "oldmoko" folder, downloaded the latest makefile and just build it all from scratch again
Aug 21 12:55:02 <gordonsyme> daxxar: best to start with a totally clean directory as CM says though
Aug 21 12:55:06 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, OK...--force-overwrite works perfectly in ipkg, but actually replaces evas module with ecore module =P
Aug 21 12:55:10 <daxxar> Ah, okay.
Aug 21 12:55:15 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, in python
Aug 21 12:55:43 <mickey|taxes> hmm
Aug 21 12:55:52 <mickey|taxes> according to ipkg :
Aug 21 12:55:53 <hhf423_w> cool, swap orientation works in .08
Aug 21 12:56:02 <mickey|taxes>         -force-overwrite        Allow ipkg to overwrite files from another package during an install.
Aug 21 12:56:07 <mickey|taxes> which is exactly what you want
Aug 21 12:56:20 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, yes, and THAT part works perfectly =)
Aug 21 12:56:44 <mickey|taxes> but the ecore and evas modules have different names, haven't they?
Aug 21 12:56:57 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, what i didn't have in mind was python import switching from only evas avaliable to only ecore avaliable :P 
Aug 21 12:57:16 <mickey|taxes> ooh
Aug 21 12:57:18 <jeddy3> yes, "ecore" and "evas"
Aug 21 12:57:36 <mickey|taxes> so they parse easy-install.pth to find out which modules are available?
Aug 21 12:57:42 <mickey|taxes> like i said, i need to read up on easy-install
Aug 21 12:57:51 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, apparantly :|
Aug 21 12:57:57 <mickey|taxes> this is the first package that uses this strange new setuptools
Aug 21 12:58:10 <mickey|taxes> for now, try handediting the file
Aug 21 12:58:26 <mickey|taxes> i'll keep thinking about a proper solution
Aug 21 12:58:39 <SpeedEvil> dorbot: I think I have some - but in the wierd encoding
Aug 21 12:58:50 <SpeedEvil> dor: I need to try to decode them.
Aug 21 13:00:10 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, will do, thanks again
Aug 21 13:00:20 <mickey|taxes> :)
Aug 21 13:01:04 <Derbot2> SpeedEvil: i'am on the same way i think, see this http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:unyeSnWHemEJ:www.tomshardware.com/forum/33014-39-getting-cell+at+commands+cscb+receive+cell+broadcast&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
Aug 21 13:02:00 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, handediting works (it seems) perfectly btw!
Aug 21 13:02:20 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, so for now, i'm content =D
Aug 21 13:02:27 <mickey|taxes> well
Aug 21 13:02:30 <mickey|taxes> try at least to run one example
Aug 21 13:02:34 <mickey|taxes> then I'd be happy )
Aug 21 13:02:35 <mickey|taxes> :)
Aug 21 13:02:42 <mickey|taxes> i'm afraid we miss some dependencies
Aug 21 13:02:48 <mickey|taxes> but that should be fixable
Aug 21 13:02:53 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, on my way
Aug 21 13:02:57 <daxxar> What're .rg-files?
Aug 21 13:03:06 <daxxar> Some kind of MIDI-format or something for ringtones?
Aug 21 13:03:07 <mickey|taxes> .rg is rosegarden IIRC
Aug 21 13:03:15 <mickey|taxes> score files for a sequencer
Aug 21 13:03:23 <daxxar> Ah, ok. :-)
Aug 21 13:03:43 <daxxar> I guess if no-one else does it, I'll have to implement some kind of tracked-format-playback ;-P
Aug 21 13:04:02 <daxxar> So one can use MODs or XMs or similar as ringtones. ;-)
Aug 21 13:05:29 <alphaone> Hmmm, some "artist" just walked into my room and unpacked Windows software...
Aug 21 13:06:23 <daxxar> Ah, seems gstreamer already has some lib for tracked formats.
Aug 21 13:06:38 <mjr> it does
Aug 21 13:07:03 <alphaone> Seems we wont be seeing any more .rg files...
Aug 21 13:07:08 <daxxar> Oh?
Aug 21 13:08:05 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: Does he wear white clothes?
Aug 21 13:08:23 <alphaone> stefan_schmidt: No, he doesn't
Aug 21 13:08:49 <mickey|taxes> daxxar: we'll be using gstreamer for ringtone playback
Aug 21 13:08:54 <alphaone> But he was out in the rain and the pollution could have stained his white clothes :-)
Aug 21 13:08:55 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: hmm, we should poke to him to wear it everytime he uses M$ software
Aug 21 13:08:55 <mickey|taxes> that gives a variety of formats to chose from
Aug 21 13:09:21 <daxxar> mickey|taxes: Ah. :-)
Aug 21 13:10:24 <yoyo> can someone past glibc broken locales to 2.5? pleas :)
Aug 21 13:13:09 <FuzzyCat> sidplay?
Aug 21 13:14:12 <torpor> yo
Aug 21 13:14:22 <yoyo> ?
Aug 21 13:14:30 <torpor> .rg files are midi files set up for rosegarden .. but midi files by any other spec..
Aug 21 13:22:36 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2757 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-talking.c src/moko-tips.c): 
Aug 21 13:22:36 <CIA-20> openmoko: 2007-08-21 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
Aug 21 13:22:36 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_init):
Aug 21 13:22:36 <CIA-20> openmoko:  Fixed bug #730 (panel menu and 'hang up' are too close).
Aug 21 13:22:36 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-tips.c: (moko_tips_set_matches):
Aug 21 13:22:37 <CIA-20> openmoko:  Check gdkpixbuf is valid before using it.
Aug 21 13:29:14 <mdt> with the .08 version i get an "undefined reference to `fclose@GLIBC_2.1'" error message when compiling my app - any ideas what i did wrong?
Aug 21 13:29:44 <torpor> linked to a lib that had higher precedence, which did not use glibc2.1
Aug 21 13:30:02 <torpor> or some such thing.  do a clean build.
Aug 21 13:32:07 <mdt> torpor, i did
Aug 21 13:32:17 <mdt> torpor, that's the result
Aug 21 13:32:33 <tilli> i just flashed the image sean was referring to in his anouncement. The gui is fine. But gsm does not work. Not even on the shell. libgsm-tool -m shell gives me no response to the commands, P,L ad Q
Aug 21 13:32:57 <torpor> i see .. then its gotta be something else still pulling in glibc2.1 .. so find all your libs and check 'em with objdump ..
Aug 21 13:33:23 <tilli> is there any known bug with this version or a workaround?
Aug 21 13:36:45 <Derbot2> tilli: try kill gsm and x, start gsmd, wait a little, then start x
Aug 21 13:37:18 <torpor> this is happening a lot:
Aug 21 13:37:18 <torpor> NOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/ltrace_0.4-1.diff.gz not found.
Aug 21 13:37:25 <mdt> torpor, so what is the glibc version in om?
Aug 21 13:37:28 <torpor> but there is no source/ dir .. how do i put it there.
Aug 21 13:37:32 <torpor> ?
Aug 21 13:37:45 <torpor> mdt: hell if i know, i can't complete a build yet ..
Aug 21 13:38:03 <torpor> but those classes of problems happen unusually as you report usually because of sloppy lib precedence ..
Aug 21 13:38:10 <tilli> oh, damn freenode net. Changing nicks is somehow different there.
Aug 21 13:41:18 <DPThought> Derbot2: is just started gsmd, waited a while and then started libgsmd-tool -m shell. All while x was not running. But i get no answer to the request
Aug 21 13:42:17 <DPThought> Derbot2: is x somehow needed for working gsm?
Aug 21 13:42:41 <Derbot2> dpthought: start also x, i guess it issues some commands to gsmd
Aug 21 13:42:56 <Derbot2> dpthought: it worked for me this way
Aug 21 13:44:02 <mdt> i think i have to rollback Mokomakefile then.... :(
Aug 21 13:45:03 <DPThought> oh, gsmd lost contant to the modem
Aug 21 13:45:41 <mdt> DPThought, you get the 'modem dead' message?
Aug 21 13:45:47 <DPThought> http://pastebin.com/d8863407
Aug 21 13:45:49 <DPThought> mdt: yes
Aug 21 13:45:58 <mdt> same for me
Aug 21 13:46:27 <DPThought> this meand dead as in dead or dead as in quirk happend?
Aug 21 13:46:57 <mdt> i didn't get the currrent gsmd working. i rolled back to a version before the 23 patches...
Aug 21 13:47:23 <mdt> that one crashed occasionally but works some time.
Aug 21 13:47:29 <DPThought> i had a working version too last week. not very stable but worked once in a while
Aug 21 13:47:40 <mdt> seems to be the same
Aug 21 13:47:50 <DPThought> bad
Aug 21 13:47:59 <mdt> i don't flash my neo anymore and use ipkg only. much easer to work with
Aug 21 13:48:24 <DPThought> i just configured my usb net. so i could try this out now
Aug 21 13:50:55 <torpor> mdt: booting from SD?
Aug 21 13:51:12 <torpor> my goal after i finish my first build is to put it all on SD and boot from that. 
Aug 21 13:51:22 <torpor> then move to .ipk for all updates/fixes/etc.
Aug 21 13:52:27 <mdt> torpor, no, why? i flashed once and change rootfs with ipkg
Aug 21 13:52:37 <mdt> sd is slow...
Aug 21 13:52:46 <torpor> just curious if you'd done that or not.  i don't wanna touch my NAND much, is all .. 
Aug 21 13:53:03 <torpor> plus i sorta got used to having my linux setup on SD cards (GP2X lets you do this too)
Aug 21 13:55:01 <DPThought> oh shit. i build my kernel without iptables. :) Nver needed it
Aug 21 13:56:31 <zash_se> iptables on a phone dont seem that meanigful
Aug 21 13:56:40 <torpor> its not a phone.
Aug 21 13:56:46 <torpor> it just has one glommed onto it.
Aug 21 13:56:56 <torpor> its really a linux server you can take in your pocket.
Aug 21 13:57:29 <DPThought> zash_se: i mean on my host machine. For forwarding usb networking
Aug 21 13:57:48 <zash_se> k
Aug 21 13:59:17 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Reader]] [[User:Henrikz]]
Aug 21 14:03:45 <mintee> anyone build and try out 2007.8 yet?
Aug 21 14:04:22 <CM> Yes, yesterday :)
Aug 21 14:04:32 <mintee> moor better?
Aug 21 14:04:40 <CM> Much much nicer
Aug 21 14:04:51 <CM> But I haven't been able to call, too new sim-card
Aug 21 14:04:59 <mintee> cool... i just seen the email this morning... i'll try it out when I get home tonight
Aug 21 14:05:14 <mintee> my t-mobile card works perfectly
Aug 21 14:05:16 <mintee> prepaid
Aug 21 14:05:19 <torpor> what email?
Aug 21 14:05:41 <mintee> [openmoko-announce] Balancing simplicity with complexity
Aug 21 14:09:45 <mickey|taxes> jeddy3: it looks like python 2.5 even imports .egg files without install.pth in site-packages. therefore i remove it from every distutils package now
Aug 21 14:10:09 <jeddy3> mickey|taxes, ah, okay nice
Aug 21 14:10:51 <gavin8or> How does the kernel versioning system work ... is the -moko11 a designation for major releases?
Aug 21 14:11:20 <gavin8or> Cause that's what I'm running right now, 2.6.21.6-moko11
Aug 21 14:11:26 <yoyo> aaaa"?@#! my apps don't work on 2007.2 why I get -sh: XXX not found?
Aug 21 14:11:39 <ewon> echo $PATH
Aug 21 14:12:28 <torpor> yoyo: coz the ABI changed .. 
Aug 21 14:12:41 <torpor> it'll get fixed, but its not a high item for the OM rollout, or so i hear ..
Aug 21 14:13:04 <anrp> eabi!
Aug 21 14:13:17 <yoyo> ewon: PATH looks good
Aug 21 14:13:33 <raster> all yay for stable abi's
Aug 21 14:13:52 <anrp> well there is something going for eabi
Aug 21 14:13:55 <torpor> all yay for tolerable ones ..
Aug 21 14:14:11 <anrp> the abi from before was something that gnu came up with, eabi is something designed by ARM
Aug 21 14:14:31 <anrp> so theoretically, more compatibility between libraries 
Aug 21 14:14:35 <anrp> and systems
Aug 21 14:14:50 <anrp> ...not an issue if it's all open source, but there you go
Aug 21 14:14:50 <torpor> more compatability?
Aug 21 14:15:03 <mdt> anrp, thats the cause i can't link anymore?
Aug 21 14:15:05 <torpor> i think you mean "better use of onboard CPU features" ..
Aug 21 14:15:15 <anrp> i.e. Intel IPP for ARM uses v4 VFP
Aug 21 14:15:21 <anrp> but gcc defaults to FPA
Aug 21 14:15:24 <anrp> stuff like that
Aug 21 14:15:36 <anrp> what features?
Aug 21 14:15:41 <anrp> it's not like there's actually an FPU
Aug 21 14:15:46 <torpor> be nice if there were more ARMs with math onboard ..
Aug 21 14:15:56 <torpor> imx31
Aug 21 14:16:03 <torpor> == nicer than sc32410
Aug 21 14:16:03 <anrp> there are exceedingly few arm cores with a proper fpu
Aug 21 14:16:31 <torpor> mmsp=2 ARM's, one for floating point. ;)
Aug 21 14:16:46 <anrp> that's a real brute force solution ~_~
Aug 21 14:16:50 <torpor> hah
Aug 21 14:17:18 <torpor> why bother with math onchip when you can just hook up more ARM's to each other ..
Aug 21 14:17:33 <anrp> ;/
Aug 21 14:17:42 <anrp> fpu is lower power for doing the same work
Aug 21 14:17:54 <torpor> imx31+Mot56kDSP=ARM with Math done Right. 
Aug 21 14:18:04 <anrp> however the power cost of actually having the fpu is more than the gain most applications of ARM see by having hw fp
Aug 21 14:18:13 <torpor> 2nd ARM is FPU plus its there for when you don't want it to point floats
Aug 21 14:18:36 <anrp> since few things need FP that much
Aug 21 14:18:47 <ozarka>  Put 4 or 5 ARMs in there...
Aug 21 14:18:50 <anrp> media for instance is mostly integer stuff on arm
Aug 21 14:18:56 <torpor> i'm really enjoying the GP2X world with its linux-ARM world on one side, and the pure asm/C libs for various things on the other side.
Aug 21 14:19:07 <torpor> its a nice consequence of putting linux in an unusual package.  
Aug 21 14:19:08 <ozarka> ...and a simple two-stroke engine to assist with battery life.
Aug 21 14:19:10 * ewon awaits the arrival of his gp2x
Aug 21 14:19:16 <anrp> for oss, tremor, mad, ffmpeg, etc
Aug 21 14:19:29 <anrp> mp3lib and such use FP, and are slooooow on arm
Aug 21 14:19:36 <torpor> ewon: i have 5! :)  can't get enough of them ..
Aug 21 14:19:42 <anrp> 5?
Aug 21 14:19:43 <anrp> ...
Aug 21 14:19:52 <anrp> i have 4 newton 2100s!
Aug 21 14:19:56 * anrp coughs
Aug 21 14:20:06 <ScaredyCat> w00h00!
Aug 21 14:20:11 <ScaredyCat> We get signal!
Aug 21 14:20:23 <anrp> but does your screen work D:
Aug 21 14:20:24 <cjb_ie> i have a newton i'm meant to be fixing for, ooh, about 8 years now?
Aug 21 14:20:24 <zash_se> What u say?
Aug 21 14:20:34 <torpor> i switched to GP2X's for development work (by day i do .. embedded ARM ..), a year or two ago ..
Aug 21 14:20:34 <ScaredyCat> Main screen, turn on!
Aug 21 14:20:51 <anrp> 8 years?
Aug 21 14:20:56 <anrp> newton isn't that complicated D:
Aug 21 14:21:02 <SpeedEvil> No.
Aug 21 14:21:07 <cjb_ie> i'll get around to looking at it soon
Aug 21 14:21:10 <SpeedEvil> It's just 1/G Kg.
Aug 21 14:21:11 <anrp> "soon"
Aug 21 14:21:13 <anrp> i.e. another 8 years?
Aug 21 14:21:16 * anrp coughs again
Aug 21 14:21:20 <cjb_ie> shhhh :)
Aug 21 14:21:21 <CM> ScaredyCat: You mean "Major turn on"? ;)
Aug 21 14:21:22 <torpor> gp2x is a lovely MIDI/music/media machine btw.. not just superlatie for arcade and homebrew games, either ..
Aug 21 14:21:43 <ScaredyCat> CM: that's why you can use a lanyard... hands free :P
Aug 21 14:21:52 <anrp> i actually intend to use the newton for something, just not sure what
Aug 21 14:21:59 <ScaredyCat> a door stop?
Aug 21 14:22:01 <anrp> which is why i got em
Aug 21 14:22:03 <anrp> boo
Aug 21 14:22:07 * anrp basks in soothing green glow
Aug 21 14:22:17 <anrp> maybe home automation terminals
Aug 21 14:22:22 <anrp> good size for that imo
Aug 21 14:22:31 <ScaredyCat> 770's would be better
Aug 21 14:22:32 <torpor> put linux on it
Aug 21 14:22:35 <torpor> use it for nethack
Aug 21 14:22:39 <anrp> it only has 4mb ram
Aug 21 14:22:43 <anrp> ...which is enough i guess
Aug 21 14:22:47 <torpor> tricky
Aug 21 14:22:50 <torpor> you'd have to use uclinux
Aug 21 14:22:55 <torpor> or go to a very old kernel
Aug 21 14:23:03 <torpor> which may not be a bd thing to do anyway ..
Aug 21 14:23:05 <anrp> noone has ported linux to the newton hw though D:
Aug 21 14:23:05 <ScaredyCat> my door stop has 0mb ram... what's the problem
Aug 21 14:23:05 <mentax> hi all
Aug 21 14:23:07 <ozarka> They still use Newton's for survey taking at DisneyWorld in Orlando.
Aug 21 14:23:19 * anrp steals the ' from ozarka 
Aug 21 14:23:24 <torpor> old computers don't die.  their owners do.
Aug 21 14:23:47 <mentax> I have a problems
Aug 21 14:23:53 <alphaone> !OMbug 125
Aug 21 14:23:54 <cdbot2> * * Bug 125, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown
Aug 21 14:23:55 <cdbot2> * * sean_mosko(AT)fic.com.tw: FInger UI is not usable on 2.8&quot; screen
Aug 21 14:23:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125
Aug 21 14:24:01 <anrp> ScaredyCat: newton has a reflective display though
Aug 21 14:24:07 <torpor> mentax: you can has solz
Aug 21 14:24:07 <anrp> which is good for high light apps
Aug 21 14:24:18 <anrp> and the green backlight isn't bright -> good for low light
Aug 21 14:24:22 <FuzzyCat> bugger...
Aug 21 14:24:33 <FuzzyCat> I just locked myself out of my neo
Aug 21 14:24:34 <ozarka> anrp:  Thanks for keeping me honest.  :-)
Aug 21 14:24:47 <mentax> I download openmoko flasher for macosx but hi not work
Aug 21 14:24:48 <anrp> D:?
Aug 21 14:24:55 <anrp> dfu-util?
Aug 21 14:24:58 <anrp> has it been tested on osx?
Aug 21 14:25:00 <torpor> did you get the osx driver too?
Aug 21 14:25:09 <DPThought> the newton os is quite nice and there are many hacks for it. (like tcp/ip and wlan drivers)
Aug 21 14:25:20 <torpor> <-- has used the osx upgrader too .. but installed the driver first.
Aug 21 14:25:22 <anrp> unless it gets picked up as an HID device, libusb should be able to steal it from the OS
Aug 21 14:25:40 <torpor> in osx the only way to steal USB devices is to -HUP the kextd .. 
Aug 21 14:25:54 <DPThought> dfu-util is AFAIK intel only
Aug 21 14:25:57 <anrp> ..huh?
Aug 21 14:26:20 <mentax> hi writen cant acces http://buidhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images
Aug 21 14:26:26 <DPThought> ... but i'm not sure i really checked right
Aug 21 14:26:30 <mentax> what i may do?
Aug 21 14:26:47 <anrp> maybe dfu util isn't endian safe
Aug 21 14:26:49 * anrp unsure
Aug 21 14:26:54 <torpor> mentax: open http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images in your web browser, download the imgz files to your disk ..
Aug 21 14:26:56 <anrp> i know libusb works on ppc macs
Aug 21 14:27:04 <torpor> it works on intel too
Aug 21 14:27:18 <anrp> err, intel is not be
Aug 21 14:27:44 <pH5> mentax: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/
Aug 21 14:27:45 <anrp> well unless you have an esoteric processor, or an XScale
Aug 21 14:27:50 <pH5> or http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.1/tmp/deploy/images/ for the old ones
Aug 21 14:28:02 <mentax> it's impassible The requested URL /tmp/deploy/images was not found on this server.
Aug 21 14:29:10 <DukeOfURL> has anyone flashed http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin ?  Were there any problems?
Aug 21 14:29:46 <mentax> i download image in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070819-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 21 14:30:45 <mentax> but how i may upload it to phone?
Aug 21 14:31:22 <pH5> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko
Aug 21 14:32:10 <mentax> ok Thank you werry match
Aug 21 14:32:58 <torpor> mentax: with openmoko flasher
Aug 21 14:36:53 <mentax> what with openmoko flasher?
Aug 21 14:38:36 <gavin8or> Ok this is gay
Aug 21 14:38:38 <gavin8or> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/008884.html
Aug 21 14:38:49 <gavin8or> We can't find out if the GSM850 has been disabled or not?
Aug 21 14:39:10 <hhf423_w> DukeOfURL: yes, the gsmd carps out all the time
Aug 21 14:39:25 <gavin8or> I feel like I just bought another POS from AAPL
Aug 21 14:39:30 <hhf423_w> DukeOfURL: the gui is nicer, but from a GSM point of view it seems to be a backstep
Aug 21 14:40:30 <anrp> apple doesn'
Aug 21 14:40:34 <anrp> t sell many ...
Aug 21 14:40:41 * anrp vaguely wonders how to pluralize pos
Aug 21 14:42:35 <FuzzyCat> hhf423_w, I just made a call with no problems...
Aug 21 14:42:45 <FuzzyCat> ,, well no problems, no audio... but hey..
Aug 21 14:42:57 <mdt> FuzzyCat, with libgsm-tool?
Aug 21 14:42:59 <FuzzyCat> that's from an image built today though
Aug 21 14:43:03 <FuzzyCat> from the gui
Aug 21 14:43:04 <hhf423_w> FuzzyCat: so the neo registered on the network on its own?
Aug 21 14:43:08 <hhf423_w> asked you for PIN?
Aug 21 14:43:10 <FuzzyCat> yes
Aug 21 14:43:13 <mdt> wow
Aug 21 14:43:15 <FuzzyCat> no, I have no pin
Aug 21 14:43:52 <CM> FuzzyCat: I didn't manage to get any sound either, even with alsa unmuted
Aug 21 14:43:52 <FuzzyCat> than I managed to cock up with my ssh key and lock myself out
Aug 21 14:43:57 <CM> Hehe
Aug 21 14:44:03 <andylockran> can we get scummVM working on the moko theoretically?
Aug 21 14:44:11 <yoyo> it is normal to have not respons from libgsm-tool in gsmd? 2007.2
Aug 21 14:44:12 <CM> andylockran: Practically too
Aug 21 14:44:13 <FuzzyCat> it already does andylockran 
Aug 21 14:44:18 <andylockran> kewl
Aug 21 14:44:22 <DPThought> andylockran: sure. i have seen screenshots
Aug 21 14:44:32 <mentax> anybody have irc client for openmoko?
Aug 21 14:44:44 <CM> andylockran: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm
Aug 21 14:44:53 <daxxar> Well, OE has irssi, mentax ;-)
Aug 21 14:45:01 <daxxar> Dunno if it compiles
Aug 21 14:46:02 <mentax> thank's daxxar
Aug 21 14:46:32 <mentax> I get neo today and I happy!!!
Aug 21 14:48:18 <daxxar> let me know if you get it running, mentax :)
Aug 21 14:49:22 <mentax> daxxar ok 
Aug 21 14:49:47 <mentax> daxxar interesting when I running it? :-)
Aug 21 14:50:07 <daxxar> mentax: I'm sorry?
Aug 21 14:51:27 <mentax> daxxar nathing
Aug 21 14:51:42 <mentax> sorry for my bad english
Aug 21 14:51:51 <mentax> i live in Kazakhstan
Aug 21 14:52:14 <torpor> mentax: i like kazakhstan!
Aug 21 14:52:26 <torpor> specifically, baikonur!
Aug 21 14:52:48 <mentax> torpor i live in Karaganda
Aug 21 14:52:57 <torpor> cool!
Aug 21 14:53:02 <torpor> lots to do there?
Aug 21 14:53:15 <mentax> yes
Aug 21 14:53:36 * zash_se drools over scap.linuxtogo.org
Aug 21 14:55:21 <mentax> I have problem... when I run /dfu-util -d image  in dmesg i have eroor: No DFU capable USB device found
Aug 21 14:55:44 <DPThought> mentax: try running as root 
Aug 21 14:55:53 <SpeedEvil> Did you boot your neo into u-boot first?
Aug 21 14:56:20 <CM> mentax: And make sure the neo doesn't power off again by pressing aux every now and then
Aug 21 14:56:51 <mentax> when I power on I have error: kernel panic - no init found 
Aug 21 14:57:02 <CM> That's normal
Aug 21 14:57:08 <torpor> i am waiting for my neo to come back to life .. it not good to leave batteries in it, is it?  if i do, and it runs flat, it takes along time before the neo feels like waking up again ..
Aug 21 14:57:22 <torpor> mentax: burn the filesystem now
Aug 21 14:57:33 <SpeedEvil> It's not bad - but it does discharge the battery
Aug 21 14:57:34 <CM> mentax: You need to hold down the AUX button while starting, then reflash kernel and rootfs
Aug 21 14:57:43 <SpeedEvil> -> torpor 
Aug 21 14:57:56 <CM> torpor: Took me about 45 minutes of chargeing
Aug 21 14:58:54 <torpor> me 2
Aug 21 15:00:17 <mentax> Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000...
Aug 21 15:00:17 <mentax> Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="RAM 0x32000000"
Aug 21 15:00:18 <mentax> Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Aug 21 15:00:18 <mentax> Setting Alternate Setting ...
Aug 21 15:00:19 <mentax> Determining device status: state = appDETACH, status = 0
Aug 21 15:00:19 <mentax> Device still in Runtime Mode!
Aug 21 15:00:32 <mentax> it's normal?
Aug 21 15:02:34 <SpeedEvil> -> torpor 
Aug 21 15:05:19 <torpor> mentax: yeah you have to disconnect/reconnect a few times
Aug 21 15:05:31 <torpor> SpeedEvil: thanks, i'm flasing 2007.08 filesystem right now too .. 
Aug 21 15:05:48 <torpor> did uboot fine, did kernel fine, now doing filesystem.. slow .. 
Aug 21 15:06:41 <mentax> u-boot in folder http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ normaly work?
Aug 21 15:07:34 <mentax> In my phone i have u-boot date 19 may 2007
Aug 21 15:07:35 <torpor> it did for me.
Aug 21 15:08:01 <torpor> mine is august 19
Aug 21 15:08:03 <torpor> 2 days ago
Aug 21 15:09:40 <mentax> torpor nice
Aug 21 15:10:03 <mentax> i want flash it too
Aug 21 15:10:12 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2758 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Aug 21 15:10:12 <CIA-20> openmoko: 2007-08-21 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
Aug 21 15:10:12 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/dialer-main.c: (_dial_number), (main):
Aug 21 15:10:12 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-dialer.c: (moko_dialer_dial):
Aug 21 15:10:12 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-dialer.h:
Aug 21 15:10:14 <CIA-20> openmoko:  Fix bugs #649 (commandline option to dial)
Aug 21 15:10:18 <CIA-20> openmoko:  #456 (popup when pin requested).
Aug 21 15:10:31 * FuzzyCat pokes hhf423_w  ^^^
Aug 21 15:12:23 * torpor faints!  2007.08 has a boot sound!  
Aug 21 15:12:26 <pH5> stefan_schmidt: unmodified 2007.2 on qvga, http://www.flickr.com/photos/ph5
Aug 21 15:12:27 <torpor> scared the hell out of me!  :)
Aug 21 15:12:28 * hhf423_w is back whats up?
Aug 21 15:13:02 <torpor> wow, 2007.08 is very nice - well done guys!
Aug 21 15:13:32 <FuzzyCat> is it really different r have you just been running .1 ?
Aug 21 15:13:53 <hhf423_w> it is not really different from .2
Aug 21 15:14:07 <FuzzyCat> did you see that commit hhf423_w ?
Aug 21 15:14:09 <hhf423_w> but you can change to widescreen :-)
Aug 21 15:14:19 <yoyo> sii a !brb
Aug 21 15:14:20 <hhf423_w> FuzzyCat: yes, that sounds interesting
Aug 21 15:14:25 <FuzzyCat> ahh ok.. no dirrerent then...
Aug 21 15:14:30 <FuzzyCat> ff
Aug 21 15:14:40 <hhf423_w> mentax: did you sudo dfu-util ?
Aug 21 15:15:53 <hhf423_w> whats the AT command to change PIN?
Aug 21 15:16:35 <stefan_schmidt> pH5: Hmm, so still some rework
Aug 21 15:16:48 <stefan_schmidt> pH5: But no more hardcoded sizes in the apps.
Aug 21 15:17:13 <mentax> yes i sudo
Aug 21 15:17:13 <stefan_schmidt> pH5: Most should be fixable by gtkrc and perhaps some smaller images then
Aug 21 15:17:19 <pH5> stefan_schmidt: I'll downscale the theme (again) and see how it works. looks promising though.
Aug 21 15:17:35 <stefan_schmidt> pH5: Great.
Aug 21 15:18:06 <stefan_schmidt> pH5: This time I need to poke more to get smaller images from our designer
Aug 21 15:18:33 <stefan_schmidt> pH5: Feel free to reopen the qvga theme bug or open a new one
Aug 21 15:18:45 <mentax> when i run ./dfu-util -a 1 -R -D ../u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0    Setting Alternate Setting ...
Aug 21 15:18:45 <mentax> Cannot set alternate interface: usb_set_altinterface: could not set alternate interface
Aug 21 15:20:23 <mentax> what's is it?
Aug 21 15:20:24 <pH5> stefan_schmidt: yes, will do.
Aug 21 15:23:12 <gavin8or> AT+CPIN="1234"
Aug 21 15:23:36 <pH5> keypad/keyboard support will be some work though :)
Aug 21 15:24:45 <stefan_schmidt> pH5: yeah, still a lot work left, but way better then the first version of the UI
Aug 21 15:25:16 <torpor> i haven't seen this gui yet .. since i got it, i haven't really booted it.  no point, if i don't have the SDK set up yet .. ;)
Aug 21 15:25:16 <pH5> stefan_schmidt: _way_
Aug 21 15:25:31 <torpor> | makedevs: /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin: file can not be created!
Aug 21 15:25:35 <torpor> ^^^ now what?
Aug 21 15:26:01 <pH5> now if only fingerscroll would simulate contact resistance properly and had some magnetism on widget/cell edges
Aug 21 15:27:15 <torpor> nice pics, ph5
Aug 21 15:27:53 <torpor> i wanna get me some scummvm onboard .. ;)
Aug 21 15:28:39 <roh> pH5 i am not shure myself is the 'kinetic' scrolling is 'the right thing'... something similar, but it needs to be more fluid and easier to hit the line you want i think
Aug 21 15:29:09 <torpor> i think kinetic scrolling is nice, but there is one huge thing missing: feedback.
Aug 21 15:29:28 <torpor> there should be some sort of 'glom' that appears around your finger so you can see what the neo sees you are trying to do ..
Aug 21 15:29:38 <pH5> roh: agreed, and I think it should use pressure sensitivity to behave more intuitively.
Aug 21 15:29:39 <mentax> I restarting
Aug 21 15:29:53 <torpor> is the touchscreen pressure sensitive?
Aug 21 15:30:14 <roh> pH5 ack... and 'breaking' needs to be controllable
Aug 21 15:30:17 <pH5> somehow slowing down the list without lifting the finger is not really possible unless you actively accelerate in the other direction
Aug 21 15:30:18 <dcordes> I've seen the smooth scrolling videos on youtube. Eyecandy is always good advertisement!
Aug 21 15:30:26 <pH5> roh: yes, that's what I wanted to say.
Aug 21 15:30:48 <pH5> torpor: somewhat pressure/contact area sensitive
Aug 21 15:32:16 <mickey|taxes> roh: (kinetic scrolling) i think the problem rather lies in that particular gtk-based implementation. the idea is good imo
Aug 21 15:32:44 <roh> mickey|taxes to be fair.. i was really impressed that something like this could be done at all with gtk
Aug 21 15:33:00 <mickey|taxes> roh: agreed.
Aug 21 15:33:03 <pH5> a 1D scrolling interface where you can 'scroll in' a toolbar in the second direction might be interesting for (image) viewer applications
Aug 21 15:33:05 <roh> mickey|taxes where is the accel/break/select code hidden.. in gtk?
Aug 21 15:33:15 <roh> the 'acceleration formula'
Aug 21 15:33:27 <mickey|taxes> roh: no. it's a rather complicated implementation completely in moko-fingerscroll (in our svn)
Aug 21 15:33:52 <pH5> mickey|taxes: so I guess adding additional forces wouldn't be all that easy?
Aug 21 15:34:16 <roh> pH5 i use something similar on my notebook. the touchpad is always 3rd 4th axis and thus i scroll everything which has scrollbars with the pad and move the pointer via the trackpoint.
Aug 21 15:34:32 <roh> mickey|taxes how practical.. less stuff to rebuild ;)
Aug 21 15:34:35 <mickey|taxes> pH5: not easy, but surely doable
Aug 21 15:34:52 <SpeedEvil> Fingerprint sensitive screen would be so cool.
Aug 21 15:34:56 <pH5> roh: wow, that I want to see.
Aug 21 15:35:01 <SpeedEvil> Different behaviour with each finger
Aug 21 15:35:02 * pH5 has trackpoint+pad, too.
Aug 21 15:36:30 <mentax> reboot my computer is not help. I have: Cannot set alternate interface: usb_set_altinterface: could not set alternate interface
Aug 21 15:36:52 <SpeedEvil> mentax: dop yuou have it plugged directrly into the computer, not through any plug?
Aug 21 15:36:56 <SpeedEvil> mentax: dop yuou have it plugged directrly into the computer, not through any hub.
Aug 21 15:37:06 <roh> pH5 the biggest problem with that point/pad combo is that you have problems with every other computer from that moment on ;)
Aug 21 15:37:06 <torpor> mentax: put the moko in u-boot mode, then unplug it and plug it back in again.
Aug 21 15:37:12 <SpeedEvil> That too.
Aug 21 15:37:22 <roh> pH5 i'll show you on thursday when we meet.
Aug 21 15:38:12 <DukeOfURL> This new UI is cool.  How do we get the keyboard for terminal?
Aug 21 15:38:19 <torpor> ERROR: function do_rootfs failed
Aug 21 15:38:19 <torpor> ERROR: log data follows (/home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0/temp/log.do_rootfs.8918)
Aug 21 15:38:24 <torpor> | makedevs: /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin: file can not be created!
Aug 21 15:38:31 <roh> btw.. berlin users group meets on thursday: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin
Aug 21 15:38:36 <torpor> should makedevs be making /bin/tinylogin?
Aug 21 15:39:00 <kristian-m> DukeOfURL you'll have to start the input application
Aug 21 15:39:18 <DukeOfURL> ahh
Aug 21 15:39:28 <stefan_schmidt> roh: OMUG?
Aug 21 15:39:46 <roh> DukeOfURL i think the longterm plan is that is pops up by itself everytime you select a input-field or use an app like the terminal
Aug 21 15:39:55 <roh> stefan_schmidt uuh...
Aug 21 15:40:12 <mentax> torpor tnaks it work :-)
Aug 21 15:40:18 <torpor> mentax: cool!
Aug 21 15:40:20 <zecke_> interesting
Aug 21 15:40:25 <stefan_schmidt> roh: It already pops up in every gtk app
Aug 21 15:40:27 <torpor> now if only i could get past the rootfs
Aug 21 15:40:33 <stefan_schmidt> roh: contacts, etc..
Aug 21 15:40:43 <stefan_schmidt> Sdaly not terminal yet
Aug 21 15:40:49 <stefan_schmidt> hi zecke_ 
Aug 21 15:40:57 <kristian-m> is the term gtk?
Aug 21 15:40:59 <roh> stefan_schmidt eventually i should name it 'openmoko people berlin' or so.. since there are no 'users' yet ;) and i do not like the lug-style
Aug 21 15:41:36 <stefan_schmidt> kristian-m: No, that's exactly the reson. :)
Aug 21 15:44:30 <kristian-m> maybe we should add that feature to the term then - as it seems to be that the choice is made there
Aug 21 15:45:52 <stefan_schmidt> kristian-m: yes, just a question of time. If you come up with something yourself, great. From our side it will take some time.
Aug 21 15:46:00 <mentax> please tell me about patching openmoko?
Aug 21 15:46:10 <mentax> how I may patch it?
Aug 21 15:46:34 <torpor> get the mokomakefile
Aug 21 15:46:37 <andylockran> man I'm so chuffed - I created a tabular layout for the locality pages, and everyone seems to be using a derivative design :p
Aug 21 15:46:37 <roh> patch what?
Aug 21 15:46:37 <mjr> umm, "however you like"?
Aug 21 15:46:38 <torpor> build it.
Aug 21 15:47:21 <mentax> roh i see many patch in buildhost.openmoko.org
Aug 21 15:48:06 <torpor> mentax: you have to set up the developer environment and get your build working locally first .. then you can make code modifications and submit them as patches to the openmoko build ..
Aug 21 15:48:25 <torpor> i am 3 steps away from finishing this after trying for 6 days to finish building from the makefile .. 
Aug 21 15:48:59 <mentax> torpor you have a url when i make see how to patching?
Aug 21 15:49:02 <pH5> hmm, where are the panel applet sizes defined?
Aug 21 15:49:14 <pH5> heh, scrolling is a bit smoother on the pxa272.
Aug 21 15:49:18 * pH5 looks forward to gta02
Aug 21 15:49:29 <torpor> mentax: its all in the openmoko wiki .. but i'm afraid that if you don't know what you are doing, "patching" can be quite a complicated thing .. 
Aug 21 15:49:41 <FuzzyCat> oh crap
Aug 21 15:49:46 <FuzzyCat> CM: ping ?
Aug 21 15:50:18 <mentax> torpor i have work openmoko!!!
Aug 21 15:50:35 <mentax> Thank you werry match i'm happy
Aug 21 15:51:06 <torpor> mentax: have fun!
Aug 21 15:52:52 <pH5> and is there a way to downscale the icons in the treeview and notebook tabs
Aug 21 15:53:26 <FuzzyCat> treeview?
Aug 21 15:53:52 <pH5> FuzzyCat: the application list in the finger-scrollview in openmoko-today2
Aug 21 15:54:17 <pH5> those icons are still too big for qvga: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ph5/1194094827/
Aug 21 15:54:39 <FuzzyCat> lol.. yes.. too big
Aug 21 15:55:00 <pH5> though it's easy to hit something, I have to say ;)
Aug 21 15:55:04 <FuzzyCat> I think the issue is they need to be big because of the dpi on thr neo
Aug 21 15:55:21 <torpor> can someone tell me where do_rootfs can be found?
Aug 21 15:55:39 <FuzzyCat> in the bb file?
Aug 21 15:55:54 <pH5> torpor: image.bbclass
Aug 21 15:56:18 <torpor> thanks.
Aug 21 15:56:25 <torpor> i have not yet grokked the bb tree .. 
Aug 21 15:56:34 <torpor> now that the build is complete it is time..
Aug 21 15:57:28 <FuzzyCat> btw, is there any real need for the debug build in site.conf?
Aug 21 15:58:55 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Birmingham]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[Screen_Shots]] [[User:Zash]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]]
Aug 21 16:01:45 <mentax> torpor how i may write tto terminal?
Aug 21 16:03:55 <ccube> nabend
Aug 21 16:03:57 <ccube> :)
Aug 21 16:04:49 <pH5> who did the startup notification applet?
Aug 21 16:07:57 <DPThought> pH5: now i realize how great the neo display is. :)
Aug 21 16:08:30 <ccube> yea
Aug 21 16:08:33 <ccube> i also like it
Aug 21 16:08:40 <ccube> :)
Aug 21 16:08:55 <pH5> DPThought: hehe, exactly my feeling when I got it: http://poh9.blogspot.com/2007/03/around-world-in-two-days.html
Aug 21 16:09:00 <DPThought> pH5: i'm not sure. but could it be that the icons get smaller if you set the tpi in your x-server right?
Aug 21 16:09:22 <DPThought> s/tpi/dpi/
Aug 21 16:09:23 <apt> DPThought meant: pH5: i'm not sure. but could it be that the icons get smaller if you set the dpi in your x-server right?
Aug 21 16:10:11 <pH5> DPThought: no, dpi is already set correctly, I think icons size is always measured in pixels.
Aug 21 16:10:23 <DPThought> not cool :)
Aug 21 16:10:34 * DPThought votes for svg
Aug 21 16:11:00 <pH5> just where are the sizes set? the apps don't seem to honor the gtk-icon-sizes setting in gtkrc
Aug 21 16:11:21 <torpor> so, do_rootfs is borked on my build here and now .. should i fix it local, or has there been a fix, anyone know?
Aug 21 16:11:28 <pH5> DPThought: that's not the problem, I think. openmoko-theme-standard2 contains svg icons and prescaled icons in multiple sizes.
Aug 21 16:11:47 <DPThought> ok. no idea
Aug 21 16:16:41 <hhf423_w> does anybody know if there will be daily build on here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/  ??
Aug 21 16:17:31 <hhf423_w> or where there will be daily builds from .08 forward?
Aug 21 16:17:56 <CM> hhf423_w: I think that dir you just gave will be a good place to look
Aug 21 16:18:15 <jipi> hi folsk, i'm trying to devirginate. i got his at my openocd.. it does not seem normal. any pointers? Error:   arm7_9_common.c:562 arm7_9_execute_sys_speed(): timeout waiting for SYSCOMP & DBGACK, last DBG_STATUS: 4
Aug 21 16:19:10 <hhf423_w> CM: I mean, is the stuff here: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D also based on .08?
Aug 21 16:21:36 <CM> hhf423_w: Yes, that's rwhitby's builds, the guy who made the makefile
Aug 21 16:31:55 <mentax> how image of openmoko is stable?
Aug 21 16:32:06 <mentax> where i may download it?
Aug 21 16:32:17 <torpor> mentax: its not.  did you get an openmoko devkit from someone?
Aug 21 16:32:25 <torpor> right now, stable is not a word i would use with the images.
Aug 21 16:32:32 <torpor> moko is development-only friendly right now.
Aug 21 16:32:47 <mentax> ok
Aug 21 16:33:05 <mentax> but i have trobles in my sim card
Aug 21 16:33:13 <torpor> that is normal
Aug 21 16:33:13 <mentax> i not may cal
Aug 21 16:33:24 <torpor> you have to be very clever to get most SIM cards working right now ..
Aug 21 16:33:25 <mentax> normal?
Aug 21 16:33:26 <CM> I do too, I have a "too new" sim card
Aug 21 16:33:50 <CM> That's a problem with the gsm chip, but it's being fixed
Aug 21 16:33:51 <torpor> most consumer cell phones do a lot of housekeeping that the basic drivers in linux are not doing right now ..
Aug 21 16:33:57 <torpor> like setting up net prefs, settings, etc.
Aug 21 16:34:48 <gekko_> Hi @ all I think it's a great idea to create an open source phone and i will certainly buy it, BUT why do you plan to include a 2.5 mm audio jack instead of 3.5 mm?? I hate 2.5 mm audio jack at my current PDA
Aug 21 16:34:48 <aloril> gekko_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 21 16:35:41 <mentax> torpor when i may call?
Aug 21 16:36:33 <torpor> mentax: i do not know officially, i am just a user like you - well a developer actually - but i would imagine that things will start to get smarter and smarter with the general releases from now on.
Aug 21 16:36:36 <yoyo> hi
Aug 21 16:37:22 <torpor> there are two things happening: the FIC-funded and organized development of a "consumer image", and there is the "linux community" contributions to the image .. both of these activities will produce fast results, i imagine, but you hve to be patient for the startup period..
Aug 21 16:38:08 <Jiten> gekko_: I suspect no-one from the hardware design team is online.
Aug 21 16:38:41 <Jiten> gekko_: what's wrong with 2.5 mm audio jack btw? (no experience with those myself)
Aug 21 16:39:21 <gekko_> I always need an adapter to use my normal headset or other speakers
Aug 21 16:39:25 <torpor> they suck if you've had 20 years of buying 3.5mm jacks and thus have headphones in that format.
Aug 21 16:39:32 <gekko_> e.g. when I play mp3s
Aug 21 16:39:43 <torpor> an adapter is not the solution: this thing is supposed to be portable. 
Aug 21 16:40:12 <gekko_> yes I know, but is it really that big just 1 mm more?
Aug 21 16:40:28 <torpor> yup
Aug 21 16:41:41 <gekko_> i guess I should switch to a bluetooth headset then
Aug 21 16:41:49 <cjb_ie> yup, you can't get "nice" headphones with 2.5 plug
Aug 21 16:45:48 <FuzzyCat> I'm glad you said 'nice' 
Aug 21 16:46:56 <FuzzyCat> ...but poor Sennheiser copy is more accurate ;)
Aug 21 16:47:21 <Jiten> a non-issue for me I guess... my headphones are too bulky to carry around with me anyhow :) and if I'm home My computer likely can provide better quality audio output.
Aug 21 16:47:40 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03chris * r2759 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Aug 21 16:47:40 <CIA-20> openmoko: - Load calendars asynchronously
Aug 21 16:47:40 <CIA-20> openmoko: - Load dates instead of openmoko-contacts when clicking on events
Aug 21 16:48:49 <pH5> stefan_schmidt: it works better now that  I scaled down the stock icons to 22x22, but there are quite some other icons spreat throughout openmoko-applets, -dialer, etc. that are used unscaled.
Aug 21 16:49:19 <Jiten> of course, 2.5 plug somewhat limits the headphones I can buy if I don't want to use an adapter.
Aug 21 16:49:31 <torpor> guys - i really don't get this do_rootfs issue .. makedevs is complaining that it can't create ~/openmoko/build/tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin (coz there is no /bin path)
Aug 21 16:49:44 <torpor> so where do the basic paths get set up in do_rootfs?  has nobody run into this .. 
Aug 21 16:50:08 <Jiten> though, if I can get an adapter that has a small portion of wire between the connectors, it should be no problem as it can become a permanent extension of the cord.
Aug 21 16:54:52 <gekko_> yes I thought that too bad the adapters all seem to be of poor quality as they give me a defective contact
Aug 21 17:03:42 <yoyo> !brb
Aug 21 17:09:43 <mentax> I have sim card activ. It cellular operator of Kazakhstan. Hi work on 900 and 1800
Aug 21 17:09:53 <mentax> GSM900/1800/1900 mgz
Aug 21 17:10:21 <mentax> openmoko has work with him?
Aug 21 17:10:49 <SpeedEvil> It should do.
Aug 21 17:10:52 <mjr> the neo should work with it
Aug 21 17:12:09 <torpor> mentax: yes.
Aug 21 17:12:39 <mentax> but hi not work
Aug 21 17:12:48 <mentax> maybe I need setup it?
Aug 21 17:15:31 <Viko> I support 3,5mm jack sockets.
Aug 21 17:16:48 <torpor> mentax: you need to debug it.  set up the neo1973 so you can ssh to it (over usb-ethernet) and then on the neo, find out whats going on .. 
Aug 21 17:16:53 <cw666> i'd prefer an XLR myself
Aug 21 17:16:56 <cw666> with balanced outputs
Aug 21 17:17:01 <torpor> its possible you need to just enter your PIN to validate the SIM .. 
Aug 21 17:17:13 <torpor> or, turn off the PIN lock feature on your SIM .. which you can do manually.
Aug 21 17:17:20 <torpor> cw666: me too.  
Aug 21 17:17:40 <torpor> cw666: there is no reason such devices couldn't be made in fact ..
Aug 21 17:18:35 <anrp> ...
Aug 21 17:18:39 <mentax> torpor now i enter ower ssh
Aug 21 17:18:43 <torpor> ok
Aug 21 17:18:58 <anrp> xlr is huge
Aug 21 17:18:59 <torpor> you will have to get the details about the CELL network from the wiki now mentax, because this is not something i know much about.
Aug 21 17:19:07 <Viko> Sure is..
Aug 21 17:19:15 <torpor> anrp: right.  better to have XLR on the end of a USB cable. . .
Aug 21 17:20:32 <Viko> Since the case has to be big enough to house the XLR's now... Can I have a USB cable that automatically winds up into the case too?
Aug 21 17:20:50 <DPThought> mentax: you can stop gpsd and start it yourself via `gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F -l /var/log/gsmd &`. Then you can tail -f /var/log/gsmd and see what it is doing.
Aug 21 17:21:37 <ferric> you mean, /tmp/gsmd.log
Aug 21 17:21:41 <DPThought> mentax: a good idea after restartting gsmd would be /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart or some manual fizzing around with libgsmd-tool -m shell
Aug 21 17:21:43 <mentax> DPThought ok i tray it
Aug 21 17:21:56 <DPThought> ferric: why?
Aug 21 17:22:07 <ferric> (because there is no /var/log/gsmd?)
Aug 21 17:22:23 <cw666> anrp: yeah, but if we make the device a bit larger for some mixer controls we'll have enough space
Aug 21 17:22:41 <ferric> actually, scratch that.  there is no /var/log/gsmd in the 2007.2 image.
Aug 21 17:22:47 <DPThought> ferric: it will be created. But /tmp is maybe a better idea since this is probably tempfs
Aug 21 17:22:57 <ferric> DPThought: true
Aug 21 17:25:38 <pH5> DPThought: it is, and it logs to /tmp/gsm.log by default, if you start it with the /etc/init.d/gsmd script
Aug 21 17:27:26 <ferric> is anyone else see'ing the 'gsmd dies after 5minutes bug?'
Aug 21 17:30:11 <mentax> in  /tmp/gsm.log i have Mon Aug 20 00:37:15 2007 <1> machine.c:131:gsmd_machine_plugin_init() detected 'GTA01' hardware
Aug 21 17:30:11 <mentax> Mon Aug 20 00:37:15 2007 <1> machine.c:72:gsmd_machine_plugin_load() loading machine plugin "generic"
Aug 21 17:30:12 <mentax> Mon Aug 20 00:37:15 2007 <1> vendor.c:75:gsmd_vendor_plugin_load() loading vendor plugin "ti"
Aug 21 17:30:12 <mentax> Mon Aug 20 00:37:15 2007 <1> machine.c:56:gsmd_machine_plugin_find() selecting machine plugin "generic"
Aug 21 17:30:13 <mentax> Mon Aug 20 00:37:16 2007 <1> atcmd.c:561:atcmd_drain() c_iflag = 0x00000500, c_oflag = 0x00000005, c_cflag = 0x800018b2, c_lflag = 0x
Aug 21 17:30:13 <mentax> Mon Aug 20 00:37:16 2007 <1> vendor.c:59:gsmd_vendor_plugin_find() selecting vendor plugin "TI Calypso"
Aug 21 17:30:15 <mentax> Mon Aug 20 00:37:16 2007 <1> atcmd.c:545:atcmd_submit() submitting command `ATZ'
Aug 21 17:30:17 <mentax> Mon Aug 20 00:37:41 2007 <1> atcmd.c:545:atcmd_submit() submitting command `AT+CFUN=1'
Aug 21 17:30:19 <mentax> Mon Aug 20 00:37:46 2007 <1> usock.c:1399:gsmd_usock_user_cb() EOF, this client has just vanished
Aug 21 17:30:26 <roh> mentax better use something like pastebin
Aug 21 17:30:59 <torpor> cw666: i used to work for a company that made devices just like that.  they hate linux. 
Aug 21 17:31:27 <torpor> ~pastebin
Aug 21 17:31:27 <apt> hmm... pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try  http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well
Aug 21 17:32:40 <DPThought> mentax: try libgsmd-tool -m shell and then commands like Q (? for help)
Aug 21 17:33:03 <DPThought> mentax: you will see if gsmd responds to them. 
Aug 21 17:37:48 <DPThought> ferric: yep. my gsmd died like this after about 5min: http://pastebin.com/d8863407 seems to be somehow very common
Aug 21 17:38:11 <mentax> DPThought hi write Signal strength
Aug 21 17:38:43 <mentax> and in starttup gsmd not starting
Aug 21 17:39:20 <pH5> mentax: that's a known bug. during startup, gsmd starts sending commands before the gsm chip is booted up, gets no answer and quits
Aug 21 17:39:47 * pH5 wonders, do we have a bug# for that, though?
Aug 21 17:39:50 <DPThought> mentax: any reply indicating how mch the signal strength is? Or just the text with # at the beginnging?
Aug 21 17:40:18 <DPThought> mentax: if not, it's the problem meny have here and pH5 referred to
Aug 21 17:40:32 <wansti> http://jerakeen.homelinux.net/files/tmp/thereisnewphone.mp3
Aug 21 17:40:41 <wansti> this version works a lot better on the Neo
Aug 21 17:40:45 <mentax> # # Signal strength
Aug 21 17:40:50 <DPThought> mentax: your gsmd will probably die in a few minutes and say 'modem dead'
Aug 21 17:41:35 <DPThought> mentax: welcome to the club. This is a common bug in the latest release. AFAIK no fix available yet.
Aug 21 17:42:03 <mentax> yes
Aug 21 17:42:07 <DPThought> mentax: some older images might work a bit better. But there the gui is no fun :)
Aug 21 17:42:10 <mentax> hi write modem dead
Aug 21 17:42:28 <torpor> can someone pastbebin me /dev (from a moko shell) please?  i can't ssh mine right now ..
Aug 21 17:42:32 <mentax> how version is working?
Aug 21 17:43:26 <DPThought> mentax: not sure. I had a snapshot from last week. (already 2007.2)
Aug 21 17:43:53 <pH5> wansti: what a pity that the neo doesn't have a subwoofer :)
Aug 21 17:44:03 <DPThought> mentax: i would suggest waiting until somehas fixed that and try some other cool stuff with your new device.
Aug 21 17:44:18 <wansti> pH5: yeah :-)
Aug 21 17:44:50 <DPThought> wansti, pH5: lol. Or at least a 3.5mm jack for a subwoofer. :)
Aug 21 17:45:26 <wansti> a pocket subwoofer that you can carry around in your backpack :-)
Aug 21 17:46:14 <DPThought> so, i'm going home. cu
Aug 21 17:46:49 <torpor> bye
Aug 21 17:46:51 <mentax> DPThought bye
Aug 21 17:47:12 <torpor> you can put the neo on something and use it as a subwoofer ..
Aug 21 17:47:40 <DPThought> ah, btw. did someone try charging the neo on a ipod charger? I could test this at home. If noone did this yet
Aug 21 17:48:01 <cw666> DPThought: i tried with a RAZR charger
Aug 21 17:48:02 <cw666> nada
Aug 21 17:48:29 <ferric> has anyone started looking at gsmd.c or atcmd.c to see why the gsm modem keeps dying?
Aug 21 17:48:58 <DPThought> would there be any dmesg message indicating charging with full power? How can i check if it is working?
Aug 21 17:49:09 <mentax> torpor do you now how i may upload music into neo?
Aug 21 17:49:30 <alphaone> mentax: scp?
Aug 21 17:50:00 <torpor> mentax: scp. ;)
Aug 21 17:50:15 <torpor> or put it on micro-sd .. 
Aug 21 17:50:16 <DPThought> .oO(Would be ineteresting to know how smart the ipod draws power from usb. If it needs a host or some resistor tricks too...)
Aug 21 17:50:53 <DPThought> is there a media player yet? Never saw one in the aaps list
Aug 21 17:51:10 <jeddy3|Zzz> DPThought, no
Aug 21 17:51:33 <DPThought> so much for upload ing music :)
Aug 21 17:51:42 <mentax> ferric gps died in gsmd.c:79:alive_tmr_cb() gsmd_alive timer expired
Aug 21 17:51:46 <DPThought> anyhow. bye
Aug 21 17:51:50 <dpavlin> anybody succesfully booting qemu-neo1973 with current images?
Aug 21 17:52:26 <jeddy3|Zzz> DPThought, well yeah, there is command line music player :)
Aug 21 17:53:17 <jeddy3|Zzz> DPThought, and plenty of capabilities to hack up one in pygame or whatever :)
Aug 21 17:57:16 <ferric> mentax: yep - that's it... i wanna debug that
Aug 21 17:58:35 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]]
Aug 21 18:12:33 <nobody96> moin
Aug 21 18:13:10 <torpor> | makedevs: /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin: file can not be created!
Aug 21 18:17:53 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2760 10/branches/u-boot/: create u-boot branches directory
Aug 21 18:19:18 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2761 10/branches/u-boot/pre-20070822/: create temporary 'stable' branch for u-boot patches to pinned version
Aug 21 18:20:42 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2762 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: use temporary stable patch branch for pinned u-boot revision
Aug 21 18:23:26 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2763 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (24 files): 
Aug 21 18:23:26 <CIA-20> openmoko: bring u-boot patches in sync with upstream git rev 99c2fdab91bc633e46fb41dbaa629f87ccf6e00f:
Aug 21 18:23:26 <CIA-20> openmoko: * use new CONFIG_CMD system (deprecate CFG_CMD)
Aug 21 18:23:26 <CIA-20> openmoko: * use new OHCI driver, where apropriate
Aug 21 18:23:26 <CIA-20> openmoko: * merge with mainline usbtty ACM code
Aug 21 18:29:31 <Writchie> China Mobile added 5.6 million subscribers last month 
Aug 21 18:40:04 <jonib1> 2007.2 fails to build in qt4-x11-free with dash... but where do I report this?  OpenEmbedded?  OpenMoko bugzilla? ...???
Aug 21 18:42:07 <PBeck> hm is the mailingliste broken again?
Aug 21 18:42:22 <emre_> Hi folks, I get a strange error with mokomakefile build.
Aug 21 18:42:27 <PBeck> *mailinglist
Aug 21 18:42:36 <ozarka> PBeck:  I got three messages yesterday, and I haven't been subscribed in a month.
Aug 21 18:42:43 <emre_> it says /moko/build/tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin: file can not be created!
Aug 21 18:43:17 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2764 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (7 files): 
Aug 21 18:43:17 <CIA-20> openmoko: sync/merge with u-boot mainline version 3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f
Aug 21 18:43:17 <CIA-20> openmoko: * fix machine type related hunks
Aug 21 18:43:17 <CIA-20> openmoko: * fix head.S related failing hunks
Aug 21 18:43:17 <CIA-20> openmoko: * bump mokoversion to 11 to visualize the major re-sync of the last two commits.
Aug 21 18:43:18 <CIA-20> openmoko: PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHEN USING THIS CURRENT TREE. DON'T FLASH IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DEBUG BOARD!
Aug 21 18:43:35 <tonyg> eep. that sounds scary
Aug 21 18:43:42 <pH5> for a reason :)
Aug 21 18:43:48 <tonyg> i'll limit myself to installing individual ipks then :-)
Aug 21 18:43:51 <PBeck> ozarka: ok
Aug 21 18:44:06 <pH5> tonyg: this is just about u-boot
Aug 21 18:46:36 <tonyg> pH5, thanks - good to knwo
Aug 21 18:46:45 <tonyg> actually, that makes sense now I think about it
Aug 21 18:46:55 <tonyg> uboot has the flash uploader bit
Aug 21 18:47:00 <torpor> emre_: i have that same problem too right now.  i don't know the best way to fix it though, because i' not sure if device_table-minimal.txt is the right tree setup or not ..
Aug 21 18:47:00 <pH5> :) this is irc, nobody expects you to think before posting
Aug 21 18:47:11 <tonyg> heh
Aug 21 18:47:34 <torpor> to complete the build, i just commented out the /bin entries .. 
Aug 21 18:47:49 <torpor> (you could add mkdir /bin to image.bbclass, tho', also .. but thats a rude hack)
Aug 21 18:54:28 <torpor> .. building qemu .. i have to install gcc 3.x? 
Aug 21 18:55:40 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2765 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: 
Aug 21 18:55:40 <CIA-20> openmoko: According to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=653
Aug 21 18:55:40 <CIA-20> openmoko: there are some devices that violate the DFU spec slightly by starting up in the
Aug 21 18:55:40 <CIA-20> openmoko: DFU state insteade of application state. This patch fixes it (Nick Hibma)
Aug 21 18:57:09 <jackol> any change getting the neo to run without battery when plugged in usb port?
Aug 21 18:57:24 <woglinde> chance?
Aug 21 18:57:27 <woglinde> dont do it
Aug 21 18:57:34 <jackol> yes, chance ;)
Aug 21 18:58:18 <roh> jackol nope. it needs a working battery
Aug 21 18:58:27 <Writchie> jackol: why would you want to do this
Aug 21 18:58:33 <roh> thats a limitation of the used pmu afaik
Aug 21 18:58:42 <woglinde>  nope. it needs a working battery
Aug 21 18:58:45 <woglinde> args
Aug 21 18:58:51 <mentax> please tell me how i may install a music player?
Aug 21 18:58:59 <woglinde>  Writchie dont wait till the battery is full?
Aug 21 18:59:15 <jackol> the battery seems to have emptied itself (the neo was turned off and unplgged from usb)
Aug 21 18:59:39 <jackol> maybe some kind of led to show if the neo is actually charging itself
Aug 21 18:59:59 <mjr> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery
Aug 21 19:00:27 <jackol> This is this the bad part "The battery will charge only with 100mA, and it will take a couple of hours until the battery is again charged to a level where it can power the phone."
Aug 21 19:00:48 <Writchie> its much worse than that
Aug 21 19:00:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2766 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: 
Aug 21 19:00:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: Don't obtain the transfer size via the DFU functional descriptor
Aug 21 19:00:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: if the user has specified it on the command line. Apparently there
Aug 21 19:00:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: are some devices that violate the DFU spec (*sigh*) by not implementing the
Aug 21 19:00:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: functional descriptor. Taken from
Aug 21 19:00:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: https://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=654
Aug 21 19:00:57 <Writchie> the battery will only charge at about 40 ma
Aug 21 19:00:58 <CIA-20> openmoko: (Nick Hibma)
Aug 21 19:01:00 <jackol> so if it would be possible to start it up without the battery, then insert the battery and start charging with 500Ma
Aug 21 19:01:03 <jackol> Ma=mA
Aug 21 19:01:10 <jackol> ouh
Aug 21 19:01:14 <mjr> well, it isn't
Aug 21 19:01:40 <jackol> can you force USB to provide 500mA even if the device(s) are not asking for it?
Aug 21 19:01:53 <SpeedEvil> No, of course not.
Aug 21 19:01:57 <mjr> current isn't something you provide, it's something you draw
Aug 21 19:01:57 <SpeedEvil> It's a 5V supply.
Aug 21 19:02:08 <SpeedEvil> The device draws what it will.
Aug 21 19:02:16 <jackol> ah, ok
Aug 21 19:02:35 <SpeedEvil> See 'Neo1973 Charging' on the wiki
Aug 21 19:03:00 <jackol> i think the battery emptied itself just in couple of days
Aug 21 19:03:12 <mjr> you probably had the gsm chip on or something
Aug 21 19:03:42 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2767 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c: 
Aug 21 19:03:42 <CIA-20> openmoko: Some devices appear have race conditions and we need to use some ugly
Aug 21 19:03:42 <CIA-20> openmoko: hard-coded wait time. https://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=655 (Nick Hibma)
Aug 21 19:05:01 <mentax> anybody now how I may install a music player?
Aug 21 19:05:07 <mjr> does the wiki-pointed 48 kΩ trick actually work, btw?
Aug 21 19:05:10 <mentax> help me people
Aug 21 19:05:23 <Writchie> mjr: no
Aug 21 19:05:27 <mjr> you should have two music players installed, madplay and ogg123
Aug 21 19:06:10 * hhf423 just flashed the new u-boot (from .08 images) and his neo still works, yay
Aug 21 19:06:37 <mentax> mjr how i may laynch it?
Aug 21 19:06:50 * tonyg has just noticed his deep-discharged battery, and now has to wait an hour or two before being able to test his new squeak ipk ;-(
Aug 21 19:07:02 <mjr> say "madplay foo.mp3" or "ogg123 foo.ogg" from the command line
Aug 21 19:07:53 <hhf423> tonyg: make sure that you remove usb and battery for like 30sec, then plug neo into a linux usb host and then you only have to wait like 10 to 20mins until you can flash again
Aug 21 19:07:54 <mentax> mjr when i running terminal i don't see keyboard
Aug 21 19:08:13 <jackol> and don't try pressing the power button, right?
Aug 21 19:08:34 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2768 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: 
Aug 21 19:08:34 <CIA-20> openmoko: add some sanity checking whether config and interface descriptors actually are
Aug 21 19:08:34 <CIA-20> openmoko: populated (see
Aug 21 19:08:34 <CIA-20> openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=672).
Aug 21 19:08:54 <jackol> or otherwise you'll get a flashing screen, short, barely noticeable flashes.
Aug 21 19:09:00 <ozarka> mentax: Is there a square, white widget at the top of the screen?  Touch that.
Aug 21 19:09:39 <hhf423> this is sooo not working. gsmd craps out all the time
Aug 21 19:10:16 <jackol> btw, any tool to find how much "power" usb port is providing?
Aug 21 19:11:02 <ckuethe> your OS may be able to do that...
Aug 21 19:11:03 <mentax> ozarka I flash last snapshot and i not have square
Aug 21 19:11:05 <ckuethe>  port 2 addr 2: full speed, power 100 mA, config 1, Biometric Coprocessor(0x2016), STMicroelectronics(0x0483), rev 0.01
Aug 21 19:11:31 <jackol> trying to find the information from somewhere here: /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1
Aug 21 19:11:33 <ckuethe> lsusb, usbdevs, usbctl, ... 
Aug 21 19:12:51 <tonyg> hhf423, thanks. just enough time to make and consume dinner
Aug 21 19:13:13 <hhf423> brilliant, I just logged into my newly booted .08 neo and gsmd was not even running
Aug 21 19:13:18 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2769 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c: 
Aug 21 19:13:18 <CIA-20> openmoko: prevent endless loop during DFU download. We now just abort
Aug 21 19:13:18 <CIA-20> openmoko: in case DFU_STATUS != DFU_STATUS_OK. See http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=673 (Nick Hibma)
Aug 21 19:13:42 <hhf423> q
Aug 21 19:15:35 <emre_> Can someone please tell me what's wrong with CVS/SVN & Makefile or Autotools? Why are we using this monotone, bitbake, etc. crap?
Aug 21 19:16:26 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2770 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: fix endian bug while using transfer size (from http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/optware/trunk/sources/dfu-util/fix-endianess.patch)
Aug 21 19:16:53 <ynezz> emre_: just port OM to buildroot if you like
Aug 21 19:18:03 <ynezz> and i wonder what great have you done that you can say, that svn/cvs/mtn/bb is crap :p
Aug 21 19:18:30 <emre_> ynezz: I bet it could take less time ;) It's been about a week since I'm trying to compile it.
Aug 21 19:19:02 <ynezz> that's bad
Aug 21 19:19:24 <hhf423> whooo, that ipkg stuff works
Aug 21 19:19:32 <ynezz> emre_: what's your distro and makefile you use?
Aug 21 19:20:19 <emre_> mokomakefile & ubuntu.
Aug 21 19:20:26 <ynezz> feisty?
Aug 21 19:20:34 <emre_> yeo
Aug 21 19:20:36 <emre_> yep
Aug 21 19:20:53 <ynezz> i use feisty and mokomakefile and mastermakefile for om2007.2 without any problem
Aug 21 19:21:05 <ynezz> building images like everyday
Aug 21 19:21:47 <Writchie> ynezz: did you have to add symbolic links for lExt.so ???
Aug 21 19:22:27 <Writchie> s/lExt.so/Xext.so/
Aug 21 19:22:27 <apt> Writchie meant: ynezz: did you have to add symbolic links for Xext.so ???
Aug 21 19:23:16 <ynezz> no
Aug 21 19:23:35 <ynezz> but i don't rebuild images from scratch so i might not hit some bugs
Aug 21 19:23:40 <hhf423> oh, the number of command in libgsmd just went way up
Aug 21 19:25:21 <ynezz> emre_: and which packages you've problem to build?
Aug 21 19:26:14 <emre_> ok, finally finished.. now writing. the last build had some problems with (i guess) gtk themas. none of the images were seen.
Aug 21 19:26:27 <mentax> how image of openmoko have square and gpsd?
Aug 21 19:26:50 <mentax> please give me link
Aug 21 19:26:54 <hhf423> mentax: I think gps is still not there
Aug 21 19:27:37 <mentax> ok where i may get square?
Aug 21 19:28:00 <mentax> whats image?
Aug 21 19:28:22 <hhf423> mentax: square? whats that?
Aug 21 19:28:53 <hhf423> hmm, the latest snapshot still does not switch sound correctly when doing a call out or a call in
Aug 21 19:29:13 <hhf423> but at least the phone rings when I call it
Aug 21 19:29:44 <mentax> I download snapshot 19-Aug-2007 23:12 and i not have a music player in widjet
Aug 21 19:30:17 <mentax> hhf423 how snapshot is normal?
Aug 21 19:30:49 <hhf423> mentax: what do you mean with "how snapshot is normal"? I do not understand
Aug 21 19:31:35 <b1303s__> mentax: open "Input Manager"
Aug 21 19:32:17 <mentax> Input manager?
Aug 21 19:32:36 <ScaredyCat> click the + at the bottom of the screen
Aug 21 19:32:56 <mentax> ok
Aug 21 19:32:57 <ScaredyCat> click the menu on the top right, select Utilities
Aug 21 19:33:11 <ScaredyCat> you should see an abc icon
Aug 21 19:33:16 <ScaredyCat> click that
Aug 21 19:33:33 <ScaredyCat> it starts the keyboard in the top panel
Aug 21 19:33:53 <ScaredyCat> tap that icon and you get a keyboard
Aug 21 19:33:56 <mentax> when i click i have game black box
Aug 21 19:34:18 <ScaredyCat> did you select utilities or games ?
Aug 21 19:34:22 <mdt> is there a way to clock-down the cpu today with the current kernel?
Aug 21 19:34:25 <ScaredyCat> or even 'all'
Aug 21 19:34:33 <mentax> utilites
Aug 21 19:35:09 <ScaredyCat> mmmm...
Aug 21 19:35:15 <ScaredyCat> seems odd
Aug 21 19:36:10 <mentax> yes i need normal image :-)
Aug 21 19:36:28 <ScaredyCat> is this on a neo or with qemu ?
Aug 21 19:36:53 <mentax> neo
Aug 21 19:37:19 <ynezz> have you done 'nand erase rootfs' before flashing?
Aug 21 19:38:35 <mentax> nand erase?
Aug 21 19:39:37 <jeddy3|Zzz> anyone else lost all graphics/icons with 2007.08 update? :)
Aug 21 19:39:37 <ynezz> yes in console
Aug 21 19:40:02 <mdt> nobody an idea how to slow down the neo cpu?
Aug 21 19:40:16 <hhf423> mentax: nand earse is explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase
Aug 21 19:40:18 <ynezz> mentax: read a wiki, there could be some problems if you don't erase old rootfs
Aug 21 19:41:02 <mentax> ynezz i get new phone
Aug 21 19:41:08 <ynezz> cool
Aug 21 19:41:33 <mentax> and i dont know about nand eraced
Aug 21 19:41:38 <mentax> erase
Aug 21 19:41:48 <hhf423> mentax: read the URL I just gave you
Aug 21 19:41:50 <ScaredyCat> mdt: put windows CE on the neo ;)
Aug 21 19:41:52 <ynezz> that's why you've to read the wiki
Aug 21 19:42:11 <hozer> is there any newer image than: openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070813013449.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 21 19:42:11 <ScaredyCat> what is your native language mentax?
Aug 21 19:42:18 <emre_> ok, it happened again. I can't see the images.
Aug 21 19:42:59 <mentax> russian
Aug 21 19:43:00 <ScaredyCat> emre_: ?
Aug 21 19:43:29 <ynezz> hozer: check yourself, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Pre-built_snapshot_images
Aug 21 19:43:37 <emre_> I just written the image to the device and I can't see graphics.
Aug 21 19:43:41 <ScaredyCat> dmitry may be able to help when he appears... 
Aug 21 19:43:56 <ScaredyCat> there's no russian translation on the nand erase page :/
Aug 21 19:44:24 <ScaredyCat> emre_: did you do  a nand erase?
Aug 21 19:44:26 <mdt> ScaredyCat, never
Aug 21 19:44:41 <ScaredyCat> mdt: you asked how to slow the neo ;)
Aug 21 19:44:50 <emre_> scaredy: no, I just learned there is such a thing. let me do.
Aug 21 19:44:55 <mdt> no i asked how to slow down the cpu
Aug 21 19:45:05 <mdt> ;)
Aug 21 19:45:09 <ScaredyCat> windows ce would 
Aug 21 19:45:27 <Writchie> hozer: ther is one from 20070819
Aug 21 19:45:35 <mdt> ScaredyCat, no, it would use the whole cpu for garbage
Aug 21 19:46:22 <Writchie> hozer: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/
Aug 21 19:46:23 <hhf423> aww, crap. I am done for today, hopefully tomorrow brings a better snapshot
Aug 21 19:46:55 <hhf423> hozer: this is even more current: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D
Aug 21 19:47:25 <ScaredyCat> I have a build from today here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2207.2/
Aug 21 19:47:42 <ScaredyCat> errm
Aug 21 19:47:47 <ScaredyCat> I have a build from today here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/
Aug 21 19:47:50 <ScaredyCat> :)
Aug 21 19:47:51 <mdt> ScaredyCat, any more ideas? or is it not implemented today?
Aug 21 19:48:11 <ScaredyCat> you could jsut create an empty loop 
Aug 21 19:48:34 <mdt> ScaredyCat, perhaps my english is to bad, but i would like to control the cpu freq
Aug 21 19:48:45 <hhf423> oh, a new ScaredyCat image? Great!
Aug 21 19:48:51 <ScaredyCat> oh, you mean like cpufreq
Aug 21 19:49:05 <woglinde> re zecke
Aug 21 19:49:17 <zecke> thanks
Aug 21 19:49:38 <zecke> mickey|taxes: I have a moko journal change, do you want to review or should I commit?
Aug 21 19:49:49 <ynezz> there're cpufreq patches somewhere
Aug 21 19:50:11 <zecke> woglinde: wow even last.fm works over umts
Aug 21 19:50:24 <woglinde> zecke hehe
Aug 21 19:50:50 <mdt> ynezz, patching what - the kernel?
Aug 21 19:51:00 <mdt> ynezz, (thnx for your help ;) )
Aug 21 19:52:05 <mdt> ScaredyCat, yes, but as far as i know cpufreq works with acpi only or am i wrong?
Aug 21 19:52:25 <mdt> ScaredyCat, as far as i understand neo's kernel has apm onlt
Aug 21 19:53:47 <ScaredyCat> mdt: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/cpufreq/cpufrequtils.html
Aug 21 19:54:32 <mdt> just found ./openembedded/packages/cpufreqd/cpufreqd_1.1.2.bb - will that work on a neo?
Aug 21 19:56:28 <ScaredyCat> it compiles NOTE: package cpufreqd-1.1.2: completed
Aug 21 19:56:41 <mdt> ScaredyCat, :D
Aug 21 19:57:38 <mdt> ynezz, where did you see a patch for the neo?
Aug 21 19:58:35 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:GUI_Style_Guidelines]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Montreal]] [[User:Avoine]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] [[Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] and other changes
Aug 21 19:58:37 <ynezz> here
Aug 21 20:01:18 <ScaredyCat> mdt: cpufreqd has 3 libs : libsys_acpi.so, libsys_apm.so, libsys_pmu.so
Aug 21 20:02:35 <mdt> does the neo support cpu freq switching via apm already? i read something that fic is working on that...
Aug 21 20:03:24 <mdt> or does that mean they work on something in the gui to control pm?
Aug 21 20:05:19 <mentax> hozer: I find OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-.dev-snapshot-20070818-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 it's normal?
Aug 21 20:05:47 <ynezz> yes, it's om2007.2 image
Aug 21 20:06:37 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: whats the secret of your images that they always ask me for a pin while the stuff from http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D does not?
Aug 21 20:08:08 <pH5> mdt: first google hit for "s3c2410 cpufreq" is http://www.evolware.org/chri/paciugo/, but that's just the core cpufreq support (and against 2.6.17), so support for other drivers that depend on the master PLL.
Aug 21 20:08:20 <pH5> s/so/no/
Aug 21 20:08:20 <apt> pH5 meant: mdt: first google hit for "s3c2410 cpufreq" is http://www.evolware.org/chri/paciugo/, but that's just the core cpufreq support (and against 2.6.17), no support for other drivers that depend on the master PLL.
Aug 21 20:09:41 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: but then again the switching of sound from ring to handset also does not work
Aug 21 20:12:54 <jackol> where to get battery status inside neo, /sys or /proc ?
Aug 21 20:13:13 <mdt>  /proc/apm?
Aug 21 20:13:39 <jackol> 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ?
Aug 21 20:14:00 <hhf423> no, apm does not tell
Aug 21 20:14:16 <hhf423> there is a battery status file somewhere
Aug 21 20:14:22 <mdt> hhf423, where?
Aug 21 20:14:50 <pH5> \/sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0008/battvolt
Aug 21 20:15:04 <hhf423> yes, that was it I think
Aug 21 20:15:10 <jackol> root@fic-gta01:/sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008$ cat battvolt
Aug 21 20:15:11 <jackol> 3773
Aug 21 20:15:19 <jackol> thx!
Aug 21 20:15:24 <hhf423> and 4200 or 4800 was fully charged
Aug 21 20:15:27 <pH5> though voltage <--> remaining capacity is strongly nonlinear.
Aug 21 20:15:45 <mdt> hm, 4253
Aug 21 20:16:37 <jackol> chgcur = 933
Aug 21 20:16:37 <mdt> so its millivolt?
Aug 21 20:17:05 <pH5> yes
Aug 21 20:17:48 <mdt> so what does battemp -> 3 mean?
Aug 21 20:17:54 <jackol> battemp = 0
Aug 21 20:24:43 <hhf423> hmmm, segway still not approved in germany
Aug 21 20:29:07 <jackol> anyone tried what happens if you unplug the usb cable during flashing of kernel/rootfs? Just corruption?
Aug 21 20:29:49 <cw666> jackol: should be fine
Aug 21 20:29:54 <cw666> jackol: should just abort
Aug 21 20:31:10 <Vegar> daxxar: pics?
Aug 21 20:31:19 <jackol> could we get dfu-util to do "nand erase rootfs" or equivalent?
Aug 21 20:33:02 <hhf423> jackol: the new dfu-util has the bug fixed
Aug 21 20:33:11 <hhf423> no nand erase necessary no more
Aug 21 20:33:20 <hhf423> aaah
Aug 21 20:33:28 <hhf423> wrong, the new u-boot has that fixed
Aug 21 20:33:53 <jackol> ok, which version? 1.2.0-moko9_r0 (aug 19th) 
Aug 21 20:35:17 <hhf423> this one http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/
Aug 21 20:40:26 <defer> when running the images from buildhost on qemu the mouse is not calibrated, anyone experiecing this?
Aug 21 20:42:31 <hhf423> defer: is it maybe rotated by 180° or so? someone else had this
Aug 21 20:43:05 <jackol> should lsmod display something?
Aug 21 20:43:18 <hhf423> can it be that dfu-util has become faster?
Aug 21 20:43:33 <hhf423> or maybe I am imagining things
Aug 21 20:45:12 <jackol> uImage-2.6.22.1-moko10-r1-fic-gta01.bin seems to be missing modules
Aug 21 20:45:35 <quinton> what's the proper way to build dfu-util?
Aug 21 20:45:36 <jackol> or maybe is just flashed wrong rootfs?
Aug 21 20:48:52 <hhf423> jackol: sound more like missing nand erase or wrong kernel / rootfs mismatch
Aug 21 20:49:31 <jackol> yes, i think the rootfs is not correct for 2.6.22
Aug 21 20:49:50 <hhf423> hmmm, my ubuntu does not network after a hibernate
Aug 21 20:50:08 <hhf423> how do I force dhcp renewal?
Aug 21 20:50:42 <defer> hhf423: yeah it seems the axis are swapped, any way to revert it?
Aug 21 20:50:42 <jackol> $  /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
Aug 21 20:51:06 <hhf423> gawd, its twothousandandseven and linux is still not where OS/2 was in 1992!
Aug 21 20:51:45 <hhf423> defer: no idea, I did not follow that conversation closely when it was held here
Aug 21 20:51:50 <mjr> on a cell phone?
Aug 21 20:52:20 <hhf423> mjr: I was talking my desktop ubuntu
Aug 21 20:54:40 <Writchie> why does u-boot timeout and die when connected serial USB?
Aug 21 20:55:16 <SpeedEvil> because it's got a time9ut set.
Aug 21 20:55:22 <SpeedEvil> press space every so often.
Aug 21 20:55:32 <Writchie> you've got to be kidding me
Aug 21 20:55:36 <torpor> anyone know whats up with do_rootfs?
Aug 21 20:56:51 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: so you charge the device under u-boot by sitting there and hitting a key?
Aug 21 20:57:15 <torpor> why charge it under uboot?
Aug 21 20:57:20 <torpor> why not charge it while its off .. 
Aug 21 20:57:53 <Writchie> well, if your system is trashed you would want to charge with u-boot
Aug 21 20:58:37 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: one interesting thing, after uboot times out, the neo draws 100ma
Aug 21 20:58:52 <Writchie> all other times it never draws more than 40ma
Aug 21 20:58:52 <jackol> instead 500
Aug 21 20:59:03 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Aug 21 20:59:16 <Writchie> jackol: no system is going to provide 500 if the device is gone from the usb
Aug 21 20:59:21 <SpeedEvil> No,k you setup the 'fast charge and turn off' option in u-boot
Aug 21 20:59:35 <SpeedEvil> the menu entry.
Aug 21 20:59:56 <SpeedEvil> Then it charges at 500mA
Aug 21 21:00:07 <hhf423> SpeedEvil: how does that work?
Aug 21 21:00:49 <hhf423> setenv menu_7 Fats and Off: neo1973 charger fast; power off ?
Aug 21 21:01:00 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: don't have that option on the menu
Aug 21 21:01:08 <jackol> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Adding_items_to_the_boot_menu
Aug 21 21:01:29 <jackol> I was wondering about that one, so even after power off, the neo keeps charging with 500mA?
Aug 21 21:01:32 <SpeedEvil> Writchie: add it
Aug 21 21:01:40 <SpeedEvil> jack: yes
Aug 21 21:01:51 <SpeedEvil> Though not if you unplug and replug
Aug 21 21:01:52 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: sound's like its needed.
Aug 21 21:01:57 <jackol> that's something I didn't realize
Aug 21 21:01:58 <hhf423> do not forget to do a saveenv afterwards, otherwise it is gone after next reboot
Aug 21 21:02:32 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: Why would the usb keep supplying 500ma?
Aug 21 21:03:06 <jackol> usb power stuff is a beast ;)
Aug 21 21:03:47 <Terinjokes> ah! I want an openmoko phone so much, but can't find any reasonable GSM providers
Aug 21 21:04:32 <hhf423> Terinjokes: which country?
Aug 21 21:04:36 <cw666> Terinjokes: where are you?
Aug 21 21:04:45 <SpeedEvil> Writchie: it doesn't. You don't understand electricity.
Aug 21 21:05:02 <Terinjokes> hhf423, cw666: South Florida... my options seem to be at&t mobility or t-mobile...
Aug 21 21:05:06 <SpeedEvil> Writchie: Think of 5V as a source of a given pressure of water.
Aug 21 21:05:35 <SpeedEvil> If you have a device that takes a small amount of electricity (flow) then only that amount flows
Aug 21 21:06:08 <SpeedEvil> As the flow increases beyond a given threshold (1A say) the pressure (voltage) starts to drop
Aug 21 21:06:09 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: assuming the USB isn't limiting to 100ma 
Aug 21 21:06:52 <SpeedEvil> Very few devices actually do that.
Aug 21 21:07:15 <SpeedEvil> They turn off if you draw more than 150mA, or some factor over the total load that the hub can supply.
Aug 21 21:08:14 <Terinjokes> it would be VERY nice if openmoko did a CDMA phone... i got loads of CDMA providers....
Aug 21 21:08:37 <Writchie> the drop from 400 to 100ma looks like it was because the power was turned off cleanly to the neo hardware
Aug 21 21:08:46 <Writchie> the 100ma is the battery topping off
Aug 21 21:08:55 <Writchie> which has now dropped to 50ma
Aug 21 21:09:30 <torpor> so .. do_rootfs .. its intentionally borked, isn't it?  i don't see how it could have ever worked, yet.
Aug 21 21:09:56 <Writchie> torpor: it looks to me like it could have never worked
Aug 21 21:10:04 <Writchie> it doesn create the bin directory
Aug 21 21:10:42 <Writchie> building openmoko is like changing rotating the tires without stopping the car
Aug 21 21:10:57 * Terinjokes just looked at every coverage map on GSM World... only at&t and tmobile... kinda sucks, moving to Australia (maybe) so might have better luck there
Aug 21 21:12:51 <ynezz> i've built om2007.2 like hour ago...
Aug 21 21:13:31 <Writchie> ynezz: but i though you said you don't build the whole thing from scratch
Aug 21 21:14:00 <ynezz> no, but about 250 packages get rebuild
Aug 21 21:14:48 <Writchie> well the bb recipe or whatever generates the scripts remove the rootfs and then put it back after created only the /dev and not /bin
Aug 21 21:16:06 <Writchie> om 2007.1 worked fine. I'm three days into trying to build om2007.2 from scratch with problems one by one
Aug 21 21:16:15 <ynezz> ynezz@ntbk:/media/data/devel/om2007.2$ ls -ald openmoko/tmp/rootfs/bin
Aug 21 21:16:16 <ynezz> drwxr-xr-x 2 ynezz ynezz 4096 2007-08-21 22:23 openmoko/tmp/rootfs/bin
Aug 21 21:16:25 <ynezz> seems to be created correctly
Aug 21 21:17:15 <ynezz> i've flashed the kernel, image and it works
Aug 21 21:18:52 <ynezz> but i'm not using mokomakefile, i'm using mastermakefile
Aug 21 21:19:50 <jackol> is this oK: 
Aug 21 21:19:51 <jackol> GTA01Bv4 # ls
Aug 21 21:19:51 <jackol> Scanning JFFS2 FS:   get_fl_mem_nand: can't alloc 872074336 bytes
Aug 21 21:19:51 <jackol> off = 0x1d108 magic 0x1985 type 0x0 node.totlen = 872074336
Aug 21 21:19:51 <jackol>  done.
Aug 21 21:19:52 <jackol> ?
Aug 21 21:21:03 <ynezz> do you think, that 872MB is ok ? :p
Aug 21 21:21:39 <Writchie> ynezz: well i'm using Mokomakefile 
Aug 21 21:22:11 <Writchie> it could be that makedevs will create the subdirectories on the path somehow with some versions avoiding the error. 
Aug 21 21:22:15 <dcordes> where can I find the openmoko feeds?
Aug 21 21:23:59 <Writchie> Writchie: run.do_rootfs.xxxx is failing to create the subdirctory but this file is generated from elsewhere
Aug 21 21:29:02 <ixs> is it normal for the 19th sept snapshot's dialer app to crash on startup?
Aug 21 21:32:01 <torpor> ynezz: whats the difference between mokomakefile and mastermakefile?
Aug 21 21:33:27 <kristian-m> anyone got a solution for http://nopaste.eof.name/197 <-- qt4-x11-free_4.3.0.bb' failed?
Aug 21 21:33:44 <torpor> kristian-m: bitbake -cmrproper qt4-x11-free
Aug 21 21:33:46 <torpor> then rebuild it.
Aug 21 21:33:49 <torpor> (make all)
Aug 21 21:34:13 <ajmitch> interesting, I restarted gsmd & it's just using ~95
Aug 21 21:34:19 <ajmitch> ~95% CPU time
Aug 21 21:34:36 <kristian-m> torpor thanks!
Aug 21 21:34:53 <ajmitch> yay, strace is on the rootfs
Aug 21 21:35:34 <ajmitch> heh, looks like gsmd's in a continual cycle of segfaulting 
Aug 21 21:36:30 <kristian-m> torpor what does mrproper do there? - i tryed to delete the qt-x11... dir (and the stamps) before with no effect
Aug 21 21:37:49 <jackol> Would it be possible to attach USB web cam to the usb port on neo?
Aug 21 21:38:10 <guaqua> with a powered usb hub, probably
Aug 21 21:39:15 <dcorking> which is right mailing list to talk to OpenMoko Flasher (Mac OS X) devs or users?
Aug 21 21:41:46 <doc|work> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/08/21/apple_signs_iphone_providers_for_uk_francegermany_report.html
Aug 21 21:41:58 * xkr47 got usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Aug 21 21:42:00 <doc|work> 10% of carrier revenue going to apple
Aug 21 21:42:10 * doc|work boggles
Aug 21 21:42:10 <xkr47> and usb usb2: Controller not stopped yet!
Aug 21 21:42:19 <xkr47> but rmmod uhci_hcd ; modprobe uhci_hcd helped
Aug 21 21:43:36 <Stephmw> doc|work: that's a little on the high side :)
Aug 21 21:44:17 <dcordes> err where can I find the openmoko ipk repository?
Aug 21 21:45:42 <doc|work> Stephmw: yeah, how will that work for the rest of us? Will iphone users get charged more?
Aug 21 21:45:55 <dcorking> dcordes: do you mean for OM 2007.2 ?
Aug 21 21:46:27 <Stephmw> doc|work: who knows... surely the only tossers that will buy an iphone in europe will expense it?
Aug 21 21:49:12 <SpeedEvil> I wonder if they (apple) require the 'visual voicemail' to be iphone only on supporting ops
Aug 21 21:50:09 <doc|work> Stephmw: sucks for us because it's likely they'll just keep the price up and just pocket that 10%
Aug 21 21:50:51 <Stephmw> doc|work: they'll just replace $ with £ and keep the values the same
Aug 21 21:50:56 <Stephmw> doc|work: hey presto, 20%
Aug 21 21:50:58 <dcordes> dcorking: err no Idea I just need some packages for my zaurus
Aug 21 21:53:57 <Elrond> Are there any plans to move to libc 2.6 soon?
Aug 21 21:55:11 <pudelfish> dcordes:you are searching for http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/ ?
Aug 21 21:55:31 <dcordes> pudelfish: indeed
Aug 21 21:55:50 <pudelfish> nice to be helpfull
Aug 21 21:55:56 <pudelfish> bye
Aug 21 21:58:42 <doc|work> Stephmw: heh
Aug 21 21:58:55 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] [[Carriers/TMobile]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]]
Aug 21 22:00:51 <dcorking> think I am ok with OM Flasher right now - there is a new version out (1.3) that points to the new snapshot repository - gets round a bug in flash local files
Aug 21 22:04:15 <kristian-m> torpor i still get the same error - strange as the files are there
Aug 21 22:05:47 <jaebird> 4GB microSD works!!
Aug 21 22:07:30 <jku> I'm trying to find a package list of a default openmoko install (as in whatever is installed in the phones shipping now or in the near future). Is http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/fic-gta01/  a good place to look at? 
Aug 21 22:11:57 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: Fully? I have some problems with mine: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=93
Aug 21 22:12:18 <jaebird> stefan_schmidt: actually not yet...just saw your stuff on the page
Aug 21 22:12:29 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: Ah, heh :)
Aug 21 22:12:39 <jaebird> i got the initial success...now trying copy test
Aug 21 22:12:47 <jaebird> did you use it as fat32 or ext
Aug 21 22:12:53 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Any plans for glibc 2.6?
Aug 21 22:13:03 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: fat
Aug 21 22:13:08 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: hmm
Aug 21 22:13:24 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: Never thought about this. We base on OE.dev here
Aug 21 22:13:59 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Hmm.
Aug 21 22:14:25 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: What do you think about?
Aug 21 22:15:40 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - I just was considering running eabi and obai alongside or so... playing around a bit currently.
Aug 21 22:15:53 <jaebird> stefan_schmidt: what is 4: mmcblk0: error 4 transferring data
Aug 21 22:15:55 <Elrond> root@fon:/var/tmp$ ./ldconfig -p
Aug 21 22:15:55 <Elrond> Illegal instruction
Aug 21 22:16:01 <Elrond> Fun.
Aug 21 22:16:18 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: No idea
Aug 21 22:16:32 <Elrond> Looks like I need a newer kernel first. hmpf.
Aug 21 22:16:34 <jaebird> scp just keeps going?
Aug 21 22:16:49 <jaebird> did you do an m5sum on it?
Aug 21 22:17:06 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: Why do you hate all new software? :)
Aug 21 22:17:20 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: scp keeps going here and fails at the end
Aug 21 22:17:32 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: No md5sum yet
Aug 21 22:17:41 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - I'm old and conservative. ;o)
Aug 21 22:17:47 <mrface> anybody know what python package I need to "import math"?
Aug 21 22:17:53 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - and new software always breaks for me ;)
Aug 21 22:18:05 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Like the ldconfig above. It's eabi. ;o)
Aug 21 22:18:17 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: Could also be related to: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=677
Aug 21 22:18:31 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: heh
Aug 21 22:19:27 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: It the life of a developer to have only broken software on his machines. *caugh*
Aug 21 22:20:42 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - I want do decide, which software is possibly broken and which not. For example I couldn't live with a buggy kernel on my desktop. It's no fun to not know, if a bug is userspace or kernel.
Aug 21 22:20:56 <jaebird> stefan_schmidt: yeah bug 677 looks very similar, not really a large capacity thing then...
Aug 21 22:21:37 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: You mean time-wise for fixing?
Aug 21 22:21:45 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: Of course. Just kidding
Aug 21 22:21:52 <jaebird> no, meaning sdhc vs sd
Aug 21 22:22:17 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: Ah
Aug 21 22:22:34 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: Yeah, always thought that SDHC should not be a problem
Aug 21 22:22:37 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Well, part of what you say is "not kidding". I sometimes feel, that linux geeks want everything breaky. I feel too old for that kind of breakiness.
Aug 21 22:22:38 <gnu_> stefan_schmidt, jaebird:  I just updated bug 93.  Problem doesn't look like SDHC.
Aug 21 22:23:30 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: It's all about balance as Sean would say. :)
Aug 21 22:23:42 <jaebird> gnu_: i use n800 with sdhc kernel support...works great, IFAIK, so this must be specific to neo
Aug 21 22:23:47 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Yeah.
Aug 21 22:24:07 <jseghers> Question:  The OM-2007.2 Wiki page says to use BitBake 1.8.6, not an SVN version. The MokoMakefile however fails "make update" because it wants to pull bitbake from SVN.  Which is correct?
Aug 21 22:24:42 <gnu_> SDHC only affects the initialization commands when a card is first inserted; after that, it's the same as old SD. 
Aug 21 22:24:48 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - BTW: Did you read, what I posted last night about Bv03 and seven days battery live? ;)
Aug 21 22:24:58 <stefan_schmidt> gnu_: Good tips.
Aug 21 22:25:28 <gnu_> ..unless perhaps the trouble is due to a higher speed card.  You could try turning down the clock if your hardware allows that.  (e.g. from 50 MHz to 25 MHz transfer clock)
Aug 21 22:25:48 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: yeah, I read that. Nice.
Aug 21 22:26:14 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - So I now assume highly, that Q1001 is mitigatable in software.
Aug 21 22:26:18 <stefan_schmidt> gnu_: I'm pretty sure too that s3cmci in the faulty piece here.
Aug 21 22:26:45 <gnu_> stefan_schmidt:  what is s3cmci?
Aug 21 22:26:57 <stefan_schmidt> gnu_: Not sure about the card speed, but I try the other stuff tomorrow
Aug 21 22:27:10 <stefan_schmidt> gnu_: The driver for the samsung mmc controller
Aug 21 22:27:22 <gnu_> ok
Aug 21 22:27:29 <jaebird> i get an error 4 followed by an error 3
Aug 21 22:27:44 <stefan_schmidt> gnu_: It's not mainline yet, but ossman promised to take a look.
Aug 21 22:27:54 <gnu_> he's good at this stuff...
Aug 21 22:28:08 <jaebird> "transfer stillin progress" complete with sp error
Aug 21 22:28:16 <stefan_schmidt> gnu_: I hope so. At least he is the maintainer of sd/mmc in the kernel. :)
Aug 21 22:28:53 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: Same here. But right now I'm to tired to work on this.
Aug 21 22:29:08 <jaebird> heh
Aug 21 22:29:18 <jaebird> yeah...just got my card in the mail today!
Aug 21 22:29:23 <Elrond> *arg* Just noticed, that the "uImage"s in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ do no longer have the svnrev tagged at them. :-|
Aug 21 22:29:41 <stefan_schmidt> gnu_: You were hanging around in the openmoko tent at ccc camp and showing the XO laptop, right?
Aug 21 22:30:15 <gnu_> stefan_schmidt:  right.  My openmoko arrived in San Fran while I was in Berlin...
Aug 21 22:30:32 <stefan_schmidt> gnu_: heh
Aug 21 22:30:47 <cw666> there seems to be a lot of openmoko devices in san fran
Aug 21 22:30:49 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: Oh, that's not good. Please open a bug for it.
Aug 21 22:30:58 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: We need to get this back.
Aug 21 22:31:27 <Elrond> On what should I file it?
Aug 21 22:31:32 <Elrond> Infrastature or something?
Aug 21 22:31:36 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: buildsystem
Aug 21 22:32:02 <Elrond> Okay. *filing*
Aug 21 22:34:41 <jaebird> stefan_schmidt: s3cmci_setup_data function of s3cmci.c
Aug 21 22:35:38 <jaebird> looks like it is trying to setup new data blocks, but previous op is not done yet... or something :)
Aug 21 22:38:33 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: Patches are always welcome. :)
Aug 21 22:38:55 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: I need to sleep now. Just update the bugtracker if you find something useful
Aug 21 22:39:05 <jaebird> just browsing for now...trying to understand first :)
Aug 21 22:39:12 <jaebird> sure...
Aug 21 22:39:13 <jaebird> night
Aug 21 22:39:16 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - filed, #739
Aug 21 22:39:25 <stefan_schmidt> jaebird: Thanks
Aug 21 22:39:33 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: thanks
Aug 21 22:39:37 <stefan_schmidt> night all
Aug 21 22:39:47 <Elrond> Night stefan
Aug 21 22:44:03 <jseghers> Anyone know why 2007.2 openmoko-devel-image fails in rootfs ala: http://pastebin.com/d67cc83be
Aug 21 22:46:44 <roh> jseghers out of diskspace/inodes?
Aug 21 22:48:48 <jseghers> test
Aug 21 22:49:03 <jseghers> home tree is an entire 120GB disk.  df shows 43% full
Aug 21 22:49:18 <Stephmw> test: failed
Aug 21 22:49:36 <jseghers> heh.. "/home" at the start of a comment doesn't particularly work...
Aug 21 22:50:06 <Stephmw> ;)
Aug 21 22:50:17 <Stephmw> stick a space in front
Aug 21 22:50:23 <Stephmw>  /home works ok
Aug 21 22:50:34 <jseghers> nod
Aug 21 22:50:56 <Stephmw> not that I have any help I can give you specifically though, sorry
Aug 21 22:51:01 <jseghers> So, to roh: no, not out of space...
Aug 21 22:54:03 <roh> jseghers hm also shure not out of inodes?
Aug 21 22:57:47 <jseghers> roh: This makes no sense to me... df -i lists the disk mounted at /home with 0 Inodes, 0 IUsed, 0 IFree.  
Aug 21 22:58:05 <jseghers> roh: which can't be right or there couldn't be anything there.
Aug 21 22:59:19 <jseghers> roh: and it lists Iuse% as -
Aug 21 22:59:34 <jseghers> roh: all the others show Iuse% between 1 and 2%
Aug 21 23:05:12 <cesarb> Neo has arrived
Aug 21 23:05:48 <cesarb> Marked as "opened by customs"...
Aug 21 23:06:03 * cesarb opening the box now to check if it's still there
Aug 21 23:10:07 <cesarb> Wow, is this lunchbox vacuum-sealed? It let out a hiss when i turned the knob...
Aug 21 23:10:29 <jseghers> hehe enjoy!
Aug 21 23:13:59 <jseghers> cesarb: the guitar pick is truely your friend when pulling the front off to get to the debug port...also one of the screws has a white label with a red X on it...I presume a "warrantee protection/detection" feature.  The Torx driver will push right through it--it *is* the second screw :)
Aug 21 23:14:24 <loufoque> is there an application that makes use of the GPS and a map to give you your way while traveling?
Aug 21 23:15:31 <SpeedEvil> Not really IME. close your hand almost into a fist. Rest the heel of your hand 4cm from the top of the back. Place fingernail into recess. Now, hold wrist rigid, and then move arm down so that it's parallel to it.
Aug 21 23:15:34 <cw666> gps no workie right now
Aug 21 23:15:36 <cesarb> jseghers: I'm only missing the guitar pick, which I presume is on the phone antistatic bag I didn't open yet
Aug 21 23:15:39 <SpeedEvil> loufoque: come back 6 months time.
Aug 21 23:16:50 <cesarb> Is the side antenna port supposed to be directly visible, without any protection?
Aug 21 23:16:56 <fish_> re
Aug 21 23:16:57 <jseghers> cesarb: yeah... I forget exactly where it was...
Aug 21 23:17:21 <jseghers> cesarb: apparently so. we got three of them and they were all like that.
Aug 21 23:17:22 <SpeedEvil> that's the GPS antenna cesarb.
Aug 21 23:17:30 <jseghers> ah
Aug 21 23:18:44 <cw666> SpeedEvil: stupid question, there is no internal antenna for the GPS?
Aug 21 23:18:54 <SpeedEvil> of course there is.
Aug 21 23:18:56 <cw666> SpeedEvil: or that port is for an addition (better?) external one?
Aug 21 23:19:06 <jseghers> There's an internal GPS antenna....right in the way for installing the debug cable...but it lifts out very easily...slip the debug FPC ribbon into place, then carefully bend it up and replace the GPS antenna and it works fine
Aug 21 23:20:00 <cw666> is there an official statement on GPS drivers? (closed or otherwise)
Aug 21 23:20:10 <SpeedEvil> cw: 'coming soon'.
Aug 21 23:20:11 <cw666> all the wiki seems to detail is the reverse engineering effort
Aug 21 23:20:16 <cw666> SpeedEvil: ah, cool
Aug 21 23:22:21 <jseghers> OK.. I figured out why rootfs was failing...and I don't understand how it could *not* fail.  The file specifying devices and files to create includes three files in rootfs/bin.  Just before running it, it removes all of rootfs, then creates rootfs/dev, but not rootfs/bin. Without the directory, makedevs can't create the bin file.  Fixed it by adding a line to image.bbclass.
Aug 21 23:22:36 <jseghers> I guess it's time to bug it :)
Aug 21 23:22:38 <cesarb> jseghers: yup, the guitar pick was exactly where expected
Aug 21 23:23:01 <loufoque> is there some kind of packaging system for openmoko?
Aug 21 23:23:25 <SpeedEvil> ipkg
Aug 21 23:23:50 <loufoque> couldn't that be used to update the distribution instead of flashing the whole stuff everytime?
Aug 21 23:24:44 <cesarb> Could anyone recommend a "known good" image for me to test the device? I still have to free some extra space before updating to 2007.2
Aug 21 23:26:48 <jseghers> There's an official snapshot listed in Sean's mail...and probably on the 2007.2 wiki page.
Aug 21 23:26:48 <kristian-m> jseghers strange - i just got exactly that problem - 10 min ago
Aug 21 23:27:22 <Writchie> jseghers - i've been having that problem all day
Aug 21 23:27:31 <cesarb> jseghers: thanks
Aug 21 23:27:56 <jseghers> kristian-m, Writchie: line 74 in openembedded/classes/image.bbclass
Aug 21 23:28:13 <jseghers> copy that line and duplicated it, changing /dev to /bin
Aug 21 23:28:22 <kristian-m> jseghers thank you! :-)
Aug 21 23:28:23 <jseghers> po3heJNd
Aug 21 23:28:28 <jseghers> forget that..
Aug 21 23:28:47 <jseghers> using two machines... can't copy/paste it between....:P
Aug 21 23:28:55 <Writchie> makes me wonder if some other version of makedevs is being picked up that will create subdirectories in the path??
Aug 21 23:29:03 <jseghers> me too
Aug 21 23:29:32 <Writchie> otherwise how could this have ever worked
Aug 21 23:33:09 <daltona> hello all
Aug 21 23:33:26 <daltona> is bugzilla a right way to submit patches ?
Aug 21 23:33:48 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, yes.
Aug 21 23:33:58 <daltona> fine
Aug 21 23:33:59 <SpeedEvil> What patches have you?
Aug 21 23:34:16 <daltona> enabling the bt panel to power on/off bluetooth
Aug 21 23:34:32 <daltona> works on my P1
Aug 21 23:34:59 <daltona> I'm trying to digg into gsmd, but it's hard to dive into the code !
Aug 21 23:36:08 <jseghers> Bug 740 filed
Aug 21 23:36:28 <Writchie> jseghers: tx
Aug 21 23:37:00 <cesarb> great, the UPS tracker is still saying "THE ADDRESS IS IN A REMOTE AREA AND DELIVERIES ARE NOT MADE DAILY" (hello? in the middle of the metropolitan area, remote?), even though I've already received the box
Aug 21 23:37:08 <cesarb> that tracker is truly worse than useless
Aug 21 23:37:25 <Writchie> cesarb: into downtown sao paulo remote?
Aug 21 23:37:50 <cesarb> Writchie: I'm in Rio's metropolitan area (Niterói)
Aug 21 23:38:00 <cesarb> Writchie: the tracker says it's on Rio de Janeiro
Aug 21 23:38:04 <Stephmw> cesarb: wouldn't happen to live in a 'police no-go' area?
Aug 21 23:38:08 <cesarb> Writchie: it's like the other side of the bridge
Aug 21 23:38:27 <Writchie> carioca eh!
Aug 21 23:38:37 <cesarb> Stephmw: nope. This is not within a favela ;-)
Aug 21 23:39:01 <doc|work> cesarb: how long since you received it?
Aug 21 23:39:32 <Writchie> cesarb: are you gsm 900/1800 there?
Aug 21 23:39:46 <cesarb> doc|work: dunno, I was at work, and my parents don't know either (it was left on the building's entrance)
Aug 21 23:39:48 <jseghers> I added a patch file as a comment to bug 740
Aug 21 23:39:58 <doc|work> cesarb: is it possible it'll only sync with the server once the driver's handset gets back to the base?
Aug 21 23:41:00 <cesarb> doc|work: it's not their driver, they dispatched it via a third-party (which is why I had to pay the customs stuff before they sent...)
Aug 21 23:42:02 <doc|work> hmmm
Aug 21 23:42:07 <quicksand> Hi folks . . . I have an ipkg question if anyone's game.
Aug 21 23:42:41 <quicksand> I want ipkg to update/install packages from my own repository first, then go to the buildhost.
Aug 21 23:42:47 <cesarb> Writchie: http://www.teleco.com.br/Bandac.asp (mine is Claro RJ, so it's the B band on that page)
Aug 21 23:43:33 <quicksand> Is there an easy way to do that, or do I just need to set up an httpd on my desktop system and serve up the ipkg directory to the Neo over usb0?
Aug 21 23:44:02 <jseghers> quicksand: you can scp the ipk file to the neo then install it locally
Aug 21 23:44:28 <quicksand> Yeah, but I want "ipkg update && ipkg upgrade" to work -- I'm lazy. ;)
Aug 21 23:45:27 <jseghers> quicksand: I haven't gotten that far :)  I'm installing my packages I'm working with right into the rootfs :)
Aug 21 23:45:50 <quicksand> And I'm tired of burning rootfs images.  It took me many days of building, failing, tweaking, rebuilding, etc. to get OM2007.2 to finally build.  And now that it works (woohoo!) I want to use a more sane approach.
Aug 21 23:46:11 <jseghers> hehe, quicksand, I hear you there... 
Aug 21 23:47:07 <quicksand> Well, couldn't hurt to try the httpd approach.  I'll wiki it up if I get anywhere.
Aug 21 23:47:18 <quicksand> Problem is, ipkg is pretty poorly documented.
Aug 21 23:47:44 <cesarb> Any know problem turning on the neo without either a SIM or a memory card?
Aug 21 23:48:10 <quicksand> Plus I want to bitbake some of my own things and keep them up to date too.
Aug 21 23:48:26 <Writchie> cesarb: should be ok
Aug 21 23:49:00 <Writchie> emergency calls are supposed to be possible without sim where network allows it
Aug 21 23:49:12 <Writchie> brasil not likely one of those
Aug 21 23:49:13 <sagacis> hmm.... I build rootfs ok, but I can't still build openmoko-calculator2.  Anybody else see this?
Aug 21 23:50:00 <cesarb> Should I turn it on first or plug it in the USB first?
Aug 21 23:50:09 <sagacis> quicksand: I set up an httpd (Apache) on my local host system and put a virtual ipk directory in it so I could access through my phone.  Works great.
Aug 21 23:50:15 <Writchie> you'll need to charge up the battery for a few hours
Aug 21 23:50:19 <sagacis> cesarb: Plug it in
Aug 21 23:50:35 <sagacis> It might turn on when you plug it in
Aug 21 23:50:42 <cesarb> sagacis: ok
Aug 21 23:51:16 <quicksand> sagacis: did you just add a /etc/ipkg/local-feed.conf on the Neo to get it picked up?
Aug 21 23:51:23 <cesarb> Writchie: which is why I'm asking if I can turn it on without my only SIM on it ;-) (yeah, I could use my parent's SIM, but...)
Aug 21 23:51:36 <ajmitch> cesarb: sure you can
Aug 21 23:51:50 <Writchie> you'll want to get it charged up
Aug 21 23:52:02 <Writchie> it will probably crash due to no rootfs
Aug 21 23:52:48 <SpeedEvil> An hour or so will do for charging at worst. An hour should get you 5 min of battery life. Which is plenty to turn on high power charge mode.
Aug 21 23:52:53 <SpeedEvil> See [[Bootloader]]
Aug 21 23:54:39 <SpeedEvil> Fun. That 8051 I posted can do 18Mhz, and self-reprogramming in-system. (you can write the flash ROM, and single-byte erase)
Aug 21 23:54:58 <SpeedEvil> Self-modifying-code++
Aug 21 23:55:26 <jseghers> cesarb: note that it will default to the slow charge--which isn't enough to *run* the phone while charging.  You can probably get into the bootloader (hold the Alt key (that thing that looks like an IRDA port, upper left curve) while turning it on)...then select USB console and connect using cu -l /dev/ttyACM0.
Aug 21 23:55:36 <SpeedEvil> oops
Aug 21 23:55:39 <jseghers> You can engage fast charge there
Aug 21 23:55:54 <jseghers> command: neo1973 charge fast
Aug 21 23:56:17 <jseghers> (Connect USB AFTER selecting usb console)
Aug 21 23:57:04 <Writchie> jesghers: do you know if fixxing the timeout on the u-boot console was ever done?
Aug 21 23:57:56 <cesarb> jseghers: so I should turn it on first (pressing the other key to enter the bootloader, right?) and plug in the USB after selecting the console mode?
Aug 21 23:58:35 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[User:Massa]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]]
Aug 21 23:59:18 <sagacis> quicksand: Sorry. I was off reading ml.  I added a new local.conf to get it picked up
Aug 22 00:01:51 <T_a_nj_a>  /msg nickserv identify tanjica
Aug 22 00:02:00 <jseghers> cesarb: for me, uBoot times out if you're not doing anything with it.
Aug 22 00:02:18 <jseghers> cesarb: but it stays up fine during flashing.
Aug 22 00:03:53 <cesarb> wow, the aux button DOES look like an IR port!
Aug 22 00:04:14 * cesarb wonders if, in the original design, it wasn't in fact an IR port
Aug 22 00:04:32 <quicksand> sagacis: Ok, thanks a bunch.  I'm kinda new at this.
Aug 22 00:04:33 <khorben> I thought it was one
Aug 22 00:05:23 <cesarb> just pluggind it turned it on... the screen sure is quite sharp
Aug 22 00:05:31 <SpeedEvil> Indeded.
Aug 22 00:06:32 <cesarb> but way too bright...
Aug 22 00:06:44 <hozer> now.. can you do anything with it ;)
Aug 22 00:08:17 * arw_ hello every body
Aug 22 00:08:26 <cesarb> It says "Enabling automatic fast charge" on the console connection
Aug 22 00:09:09 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure that really means much.
Aug 22 00:09:29 <SpeedEvil> Unless it's in response to stuff you typed
Aug 22 00:09:34 <jseghers> yes, but if you leave it plugged in there, it will eventually run out of battery power.
Aug 22 00:10:33 <jcazor> is there any way to know the battery charge level?
Aug 22 00:10:54 <jseghers> You can charge it overnight, at slow charge, by removing the battery (guarantees full OFF), then replace battery and plug into USB without touching power button.
Aug 22 00:11:05 <guaqua> you can get the voltage from the cell, i belive, but that doesn't tell anything yet, i guess
Aug 22 00:11:07 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: it happens when you connect
Aug 22 00:11:30 <SpeedEvil> neo1973 charger status
Aug 22 00:11:33 <SpeedEvil> try that
Aug 22 00:11:39 <SpeedEvil> guaqua: it does.
Aug 22 00:11:41 <jseghers> They say the batteries it ships with should be able to run a flash.  Once you can boot into Openmoko, then charging works well, automatically
Aug 22 00:12:14 <guaqua> SpeedEvil: okay :)
Aug 22 00:12:21 * cesarb has enabled fast_cccv mode (neo1973 charger fast) and disabled the backlight
Aug 22 00:12:25 <quicksand> If you can boot to the GUI and get a terminal, apm --monitor will give you a numeric percentage.
Aug 22 00:12:35 * cesarb wonders what "udc pullup" means
Aug 22 00:12:43 <SpeedEvil> neo1973 charger autofast
Aug 22 00:12:43 <quicksand> But I don't know if that percentage is actually useful in the real world.
Aug 22 00:12:47 <SpeedEvil> will turn it on.
Aug 22 00:12:56 <SpeedEvil> quicksand: basically. Ignore the bottom 40%
Aug 22 00:13:02 <SpeedEvil> and you won't be too far out.
Aug 22 00:13:10 <SpeedEvil> 40%=5%
Aug 22 00:13:25 <quicksand> Also it doesn't seem to work if it's plugged in -- I get -1%.  :)
Aug 22 00:13:25 <SpeedEvil> (/me has a patch that I need to polish and submit that does a nice curve fit)
Aug 22 00:13:38 <SpeedEvil> Patch also addresses that.
Aug 22 00:13:41 <quicksand> SpeedEvil: that would be most triumphant.
Aug 22 00:13:48 <jcazor> Battery: -1% (?)
Aug 22 00:14:00 <SpeedEvil> that just indicates charging
Aug 22 00:14:54 * cesarb wonders where is the "neo1973 charger voltage" or similar command to check the charge level
Aug 22 00:15:17 <jcazor> hmm dont know what happens to my neo, but i charge for hours, and after some time switched off, it doesnt switch on...
Aug 22 00:15:41 <SpeedEvil> It does not properly suspend.
Aug 22 00:15:43 <SpeedEvil> or turn off
Aug 22 00:15:50 <SpeedEvil> after 20-30 hours, it won't.
Aug 22 00:16:03 <SpeedEvil> pull the battery, and replace, to turn properly off.
Aug 22 00:16:07 <SpeedEvil> Or leave plugged in.
Aug 22 00:16:29 <jcazor> hmm
Aug 22 00:16:39 <quicksand> SpeedEvil: is that the only way?  Does shutdown -h leave it in that same screwy state as a long-power-button-press?
Aug 22 00:16:57 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: since you know a lot about the charging: if I plug it, and do nothing but change the console to USB (to check that charger mode says fast_cccv), and let it timeout, will it still do a fast charge?
Aug 22 00:17:11 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: i.e., will the bootloader timeout abort the fast charging?
Aug 22 00:18:42 <SpeedEvil> cesarb: no - as long as you don't unplug and replug it
Aug 22 00:19:04 <SpeedEvil> quicksand: yes. There is no way I've found to turn it off that does not leave some 30mA of power draw.
Aug 22 00:19:51 <jseghers> SpeedEvil: Ah, so that's why it drains batteries so fast :P
Aug 22 00:21:24 <jcazor> at least i already know why... i was getting nervous
Aug 22 00:21:37 <SpeedEvil> It should get better.
Aug 22 00:22:38 <jseghers> I suspect that removing the battery and then replacing it would remove the 30ma draw? 
Aug 22 00:22:51 <jseghers> then again, maybe not :)
Aug 22 00:23:26 <sagacis> SpeedEvil: I have a patch that pops up a different icon for fast_cccv charging.  I can't build right now, so I can't submit....
Aug 22 00:23:35 <sagacis> Is yours in battery-panel, or the underlying?
Aug 22 00:24:56 <sagacis> jseghers: Removing the battery and keeping it out certainly avoids the 30ma draw
Aug 22 00:25:22 <SpeedEvil> sagacis: kernel
Aug 22 00:25:26 <sagacis> seriously, I've done exactly that with good success.
Aug 22 00:25:37 <sagacis> SpeedEvil: Cool.  obviously I'm in the panel applet
Aug 22 00:25:50 <SpeedEvil> Can you simply take the battery out, and rotate it 180 degrees?
Aug 22 00:25:56 <SpeedEvil> and put it back in?
Aug 22 00:26:06 <sagacis> I don't think it'll fit that way. The notches and all.
Aug 22 00:26:16 <sagacis> I'd try, but I'm flashing right now
Aug 22 00:26:19 <SpeedEvil> I like the fact I can do that on my nk3300
Aug 22 00:26:28 <jseghers> I'm sure it would eliminate the draw, but it IS keyed.. won't fit.
Aug 22 00:26:35 <SpeedEvil> I can't do it at the moment as it'd involve walking 4m.
Aug 22 00:26:36 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: Power off from u-boot menu gave me 0ma draw
Aug 22 00:26:44 <SpeedEvil> Writchie: Odd.
Aug 22 00:26:47 <SpeedEvil> Not when I tried it.
Aug 22 00:26:55 * SpeedEvil needs to try that again.
Aug 22 00:26:57 <sagacis> Writchie: Did you update uboot?
Aug 22 00:27:08 <Writchie> no - its what shipped originall 1.2
Aug 22 00:27:14 <Writchie> may i think
Aug 22 00:27:50 <Writchie> in fact its plugged in right now drawing 0ma - i will now turn it on
Aug 22 00:27:50 <sagacis> How many hashes in a dfu-util download?
Aug 22 00:28:00 <SpeedEvil> IIRC about lots
Aug 22 00:28:03 <SpeedEvil> it takes ages
Aug 22 00:28:06 <jseghers> sagacis: around 50
Aug 22 00:28:08 <sagacis> :D
Aug 22 00:28:09 <SpeedEvil> some 60K/s weite speed
Aug 22 00:28:15 <SpeedEvil> so it'll take some 10 mins
Aug 22 00:28:15 <Writchie> now drawing 240ma
Aug 22 00:28:24 <sagacis> I've never sat here while downloading a rootfs...
Aug 22 00:28:31 <sagacis> Writchie: 240ma when?
Aug 22 00:28:39 <SpeedEvil> Writchie: are you measureing on battery or 5V?
Aug 22 00:29:08 <Writchie> power off in u-boot now counting down from 90 ma  80ma 70ma
Aug 22 00:29:19 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: current
Aug 22 00:29:22 <Writchie> from usb
Aug 22 00:29:31 <Writchie> its no at 60ma
Aug 22 00:29:40 <Writchie> now 50ma
Aug 22 00:29:44 <sagacis> Writchie: You should post this data on the wiki
Aug 22 00:29:51 <Writchie> this is what i had last time and it then went to zero
Aug 22 00:30:01 <SpeedEvil> odd.
Aug 22 00:30:13 <Writchie> i will try to confirm this on my other neo
Aug 22 00:30:20 <Writchie> this is what i would expect
Aug 22 00:30:23 <SpeedEvil> I'm going to be doing some more accurate work with the scope tonight.
Aug 22 00:30:28 * sagacis scowls jealously at the "other neo" comment
Aug 22 00:30:36 <Writchie> a clean shutdown of the PM chip should draw microamps
Aug 22 00:30:42 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Aug 22 00:30:43 <cesarb> Hm, is 18G enough for 2007.2?
Aug 22 00:30:44 <Writchie> maybe u-boot does this 
Aug 22 00:31:04 <Writchie> now i'm at 40ma
Aug 22 00:31:16 <sagacis> FWIR, the 30ma draw was because of not shutting down the gsm correctly when shutting down the kernel.
Aug 22 00:31:34 <SpeedEvil> I tried the echo 0 >whateverthefileis
Aug 22 00:31:38 <SpeedEvil> and it diddn't change it.
Aug 22 00:31:38 <sagacis> cesarb: 12G is the current estimate, but mine takes ~21G
Aug 22 00:32:11 <Writchie> it seems to me i was drawing 40ma even after a battery change
Aug 22 00:32:11 <sagacis> I have been popping the battery out and replacing when off for extended periods
Aug 22 00:32:17 <sagacis> man that boot sound is LOUD.
Aug 22 00:33:34 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: now at 0ma 
Aug 22 00:34:04 <alphaone> night all
Aug 22 00:34:23 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: did you try the ATsomething shutdown command?
Aug 22 00:34:47 <cesarb> SpeedEvil: the one documented on the page about the AT commands as neo-specific?
Aug 22 00:35:05 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: Ok, after reaching 0ma - unplug and replug of USB and its back to drawing 40ma
Aug 22 00:37:15 <alphaone> Writchie: Could be capacitors charging?
Aug 22 00:37:32 <cworth> wow, people weren't kidding when they said the device screams when plugged into USB but without battery
Aug 22 00:37:48 <roh> alphaone i think its the gsm powering on in stdby to enable flashing firmware
Aug 22 00:37:51 <roh> gsm firmware
Aug 22 00:37:51 <Writchie> cworth: this not recommended
Aug 22 00:38:14 <cworth> Darn, it seems I never can get either of these neos to charge a battery.
Aug 22 00:38:56 <cworth> Writchie: Yeah, I didn't do it intentionally. And yes, when hardware other than speakers and buzzers starts making lots of noise, I know to pull the power pretty quick. :-)
Aug 22 00:39:06 <alphaone> roh: Okay, that's more likely
Aug 22 00:39:25 <jseghers> Bah Humbug... It built once... now it won't build uboot-openmoko or linux.... I think there's probably a partial checkin or something... time to go home, I'll try it again tomorrow.
Aug 22 00:40:45 <Writchie> alphaone: When power-off using u-boot, it seems to top off the battery and then go to zero current draw. 
Aug 22 00:40:48 <cesarb> Does subscription to device-owners send a confirmation email? I requested the subscription on the web form about half an hour ago, and I didn't get any confirmation request email yet
Aug 22 00:41:05 <Writchie> however, on re-insertion of usb, it appears to power something up.
Aug 22 00:42:02 <Writchie> cesarb: if you mean mailing list they have been quite flakey over the past week
Aug 22 00:42:32 <cesarb> Writchie: yep, it's the mailing list
Aug 22 00:42:48 <Writchie> when its up the confirm comes pretty much right away
Aug 22 00:42:59 <alphaone> Writchie: insertion of usb is supposed to power up the device. It's supposed to show charging animation / give feedback that the device is being charged.
Aug 22 00:43:05 <cesarb> Writchie: I hope it's just that and not my email service blocking the server due to some random blocklist
Aug 22 00:43:06 <alphaone> But that's not there yet.
Aug 22 00:43:18 <alphaone> Anyway. I need some sleep now.
Aug 22 00:43:19 <alphaone> nicht
Aug 22 00:43:23 <alphaone> night even
Aug 22 00:43:34 <cesarb> alphaone: they made a flaming sliding screen for uboot, yet no charging animation, which would be more useful?
Aug 22 00:43:44 <cesarb> alphaone: night
Aug 22 00:45:13 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: charge is not rational at all. 
Aug 22 00:45:21 <Writchie> u-boot draws 410 ma
Aug 22 00:45:32 <Writchie> then power off draws about 360ma for a while
Aug 22 00:45:40 <Writchie> then drops to 40ma
Aug 22 00:46:10 <sagacis> if gsmd doesn't start on boot, and I start it later, is there some way to re-attach the dialer to it?
Aug 22 00:50:58 <Writchie> OK, my build attempt is running into the same uboot problem. 
Aug 22 00:51:26 <Writchie> it sure would be nice to have one stable unchanging reference point to get the tool chain working
Aug 22 00:51:36 <hozer> heh
Aug 22 00:52:20 <Writchie> this is 72 hours now trying to build om 2007.2 with MokoMakefile
Aug 22 00:52:42 <cesarb> Writchie: something like "pin everything to how it was at 23:59:01 of the day 21-08-2007"?
Aug 22 00:53:31 <cesarb> (I think "svnnow" and similar tricks are incredibly harmful to reproducibility, especially when they are in the middle of more than 1000 packages being built)
Aug 22 00:54:30 <Writchie> this way of doing it doesn't seem realitistic. 
Aug 22 00:55:45 <Writchie> it may work for 4 or 5 guys but not hundreds
Aug 22 00:57:53 <Writchie> don't try to use the build system - that would be impossible. Instead try to imagine - there is no build system!
Aug 22 00:58:29 <cesarb> Writchie: LOL
Aug 22 00:59:16 * cesarb wonders if only the ones who have watched at least the three films will be able to proprerly (sp?) use the neo
Aug 22 00:59:36 <sagacis> heh. Call history is entertaining.  I dialed 5 test calls.  The last was successful.  It shows 5 missed calls on the Today screen, and in the history, it says 5 received calls.  
Aug 22 00:59:51 <Writchie> instructions for the neo are in the HD-DVD version. 
Aug 22 01:00:00 <sagacis> Special features?/
Aug 22 01:00:19 <Writchie> sagacis: at least it got the 5 right
Aug 22 01:00:32 * cesarb has seen them on the big screen. It doesn't get much higher res than that.
Aug 22 01:00:47 <sagacis> The number was right, too.
Aug 22 01:00:58 <Writchie> but the special features are only on the HD-DVD
Aug 22 01:01:01 <sagacis> When I clicked one to redial, the dialer crashed. :(
Aug 22 01:01:30 <ChooseOpen> damn my build just failed :( Failed on task 3379 of 3381 !"task do_rootfs"
Aug 22 01:02:06 <sagacis> ChooseOpen: The fix for that was just posted somewhere.  Maybe it was the irc?
Aug 22 01:02:11 <Writchie> ChooseOpen: that's a known problem today but fixing it will only lead you to the next problem
Aug 22 01:02:13 <sagacis> Too many info media!
Aug 22 01:02:27 <ChooseOpen> LOL, great
Aug 22 01:04:07 <ChooseOpen> looks like ./tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin: file can not be created is hte exact error.  Is that what others are reporting?
Aug 22 01:04:09 <Writchie> the bitbake recipe image.bb should not ever have worked
Aug 22 01:04:52 <Writchie> ChoseOpen: the problem is in image.bb which fails to create the /bin directory before creating devices in it
Aug 22 01:05:19 <sagacis> Heck, I can't get past build step 3231
Aug 22 01:05:21 <rwhitby-n800> are these tinylogin problems only happening on a certain host platform OS?
Aug 22 01:05:42 <ChooseOpen> Kubuntu Fiesty here...
Aug 22 01:05:50 <sagacis> sorry, build task 354
Aug 22 01:06:13 <eggsy> rwhitby: problem on x86_64 for me
Aug 22 01:06:37 <cesarb> How do I check the version of the old copy of dfu-util I saved before nuking my 2007.1 tree? dfu-util --version seems to be aliased to dfu-util --help
Aug 22 01:06:39 <Writchie> openmoko/classes/image.bbclass
Aug 22 01:07:07 <Writchie> ChooseOpen: I'm using Ubuntu Fiesty here.
Aug 22 01:07:34 <Writchie> also had earlier problems with missing symlink to libXext.so
Aug 22 01:07:40 <rwhitby-n800> versions of makedevs?
Aug 22 01:08:14 <Writchie> it's not part of the toolchain being built?
Aug 22 01:08:59 <Writchie> if not, it explains why the buggy bbclass file works for some people
Aug 22 01:09:11 <ChooseOpen> Writchie|zzzZZZz: come to think of it, mine is Ubuntu Fiesty + KDE...
Aug 22 01:09:19 <Writchie> if makedevs creates subdirectories if needed in the path, then it will work
Aug 22 01:10:47 <rwhitby-n800> I assumed that's what it did
Aug 22 01:11:01 <rwhitby-n800> e.g. /dev/foo/bar
Aug 22 01:11:39 <Writchie> it does not
Aug 22 01:12:00 <cesarb> There are at least two completely independent versions of makedev out there
Aug 22 01:12:03 <Writchie> the image.bbclass file explicit creates /dev but not /bin
Aug 22 01:12:16 <cesarb> The shell script one, which IIRC is what Debian (and thus Ubuntu) uses
Aug 22 01:12:19 <Writchie> after blowing away the whole fs
Aug 22 01:12:22 <cesarb> And the C one
Aug 22 01:12:46 <rwhitby-n800> what does debisn etch do?
Aug 22 01:13:36 <rwhitby-n800> cause do_rootfs seems to work for me
Aug 22 01:15:41 <jcazor> anyone can open the keyboard when starting the mrxvt in the 08/18/07 snapshot?
Aug 22 01:15:56 <sagacis> You'll need to launch "input manager" first
Aug 22 01:17:27 <jcazor> the "input manager" starts me the calculator
Aug 22 01:17:38 <jcazor> :S
Aug 22 01:18:34 <Writchie> rwhitby-n800: the build is using the makedevs that it builds
Aug 22 01:18:57 <Writchie> unless, of course, the path causes it to pick one up from the system
Aug 22 01:21:04 <hads> jcazor: Yeah, I see that too :)
Aug 22 01:21:38 <eggsy> anyone having problems with uboot patches?
Aug 22 01:21:42 <eggsy> hunk 3 fails for me
Aug 22 01:22:33 <kristian-m> eggsy same here
Aug 22 01:22:52 <Writchie> rwhitby-n800: makedevs revision 0.1 is what's in the staging directory
Aug 22 01:23:17 <sagacis> yay!  uboot failed!
Aug 22 01:23:44 <jcazor> hads,  -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        36304 Jan  1  1970 matchbox-keyboard -> ./calculator   :P
Aug 22 01:23:56 <hads> heh
Aug 22 01:23:59 <Writchie> eggsy: its blown out everyone that is building
Aug 22 01:24:25 <sagacis> jcazor: You have to show "All" applets to click the keyboard.  
Aug 22 01:24:35 <gcb77> Is anyone running the 2007.2 image on the device?
Aug 22 01:24:39 <sagacis> jcazor: The "utils" filter always launches calculator for some reason
Aug 22 01:24:42 <sagacis> gcb77: I am
Aug 22 01:25:00 <gcb77> The one in Sean's announcement?
Aug 22 01:25:15 <hads> sagacis: Hah, interesting. That does work.
Aug 22 01:26:01 <jcazor> sagacis, wow
Aug 22 01:27:43 <ajmitch> sagacis: yes, I noticed that, it's not very helpful :)
Aug 22 01:27:53 <DukeOfURL> gcb77: yes
Aug 22 01:28:52 <sagacis> how many erases do we get on the flash?
Aug 22 01:29:04 <SpeedEvil> 100000
Aug 22 01:29:14 <SpeedEvil> or 1000 guaranteed u-boot installs
Aug 22 01:29:18 <DukeOfURL> then what?
Aug 22 01:29:23 <sagacis> I may be pushing it... :)
Aug 22 01:29:26 <SpeedEvil> the capacity gradually degrades.
Aug 22 01:29:48 <SpeedEvil> Or in the case of u-boot, it is no longer warrantied not to suffer bit-errors in the first block.
Aug 22 01:30:26 <SpeedEvil> The available capacity decreases with increasing writes. It's guaranteed to be 64Mbytes at 100Kwrites
Aug 22 01:30:34 <SpeedEvil> There is initial spare capacity.
Aug 22 01:30:34 <sagacis> I probably need to put in the new uboot so my dfu-util flash updates will write the entire partition
Aug 22 01:30:44 <DukeOfURL> is development continuing on 2007.1, or is it history?
Aug 22 01:30:49 <sagacis> history
Aug 22 01:31:15 <DukeOfURL> what's the plan for a browser in 2007.2?
Aug 22 01:31:23 <sagacis> I have been using minimo
Aug 22 01:31:24 <SpeedEvil> IE + Qemu
Aug 22 01:31:30 <sagacis> lol
Aug 22 01:31:37 <DukeOfURL> ouch
Aug 22 01:32:17 <DukeOfURL> does minimo accommodate javascript hidden frames?
Aug 22 01:32:42 <sagacis> dunno.  It's mozilla, so it handles most things.  It handled gmail OK.
Aug 22 01:33:01 <SpeedEvil> what memory footprint are you seeing?
Aug 22 01:33:09 <sagacis> for minimo?
Aug 22 01:33:13 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Aug 22 01:33:14 <DukeOfURL> did you compile it in?
Aug 22 01:33:34 <sagacis> I'll look.  I'm reflashing right now.  I messed something up tweaking my menus
Aug 22 01:37:00 <sagacis> I don't remember.  I have an ipk, but I dont' remember how I got it on the phone
Aug 22 01:38:04 <sagacis> I think I did bitbake minimo, then bitbake index-update
Aug 22 01:38:29 <sagacis> yup.  It was already in the openembedded stuff
Aug 22 01:39:37 * defer just compiled using mokomakefile, no errors :)
Aug 22 01:39:49 * sagacis glowers at defer
Aug 22 01:39:54 <cesarb> jcazor: might be a long shot, but isn't bizarre filesystem contents a symptom of not completely erasing the root fs before flashing?
Aug 22 01:39:57 <defer> i was fearing the ones above :)
Aug 22 01:40:11 <ajmitch> defer: lucky you, I'm trying it from scratch on my laptop now
Aug 22 01:40:19 <sagacis> cesarb: Yes.  I just to nand erase rootfs before I flash
Aug 22 01:40:44 <defer> ajmitch: must be distro specific, i can't compile on my laptop but it works fine here
Aug 22 01:41:11 <sagacis> defer, what's your distro?
Aug 22 01:41:35 <cworth> So the new 2007.08 (or 2007.2) image has some nice stuff in it. I just really want to kill the audio-on-tap. Who's got an easy recipe for that?
Aug 22 01:41:50 <jcazor> cesarb, hmm i used the nand erase clean rootfs command, dont know if that "really" erases all
Aug 22 01:42:07 <ajmitch> defer: my problem is qemu segfaulting rather than any make errors
Aug 22 01:49:18 <DukeOfURL> what is 0-0008 on the i2c bus?
Aug 22 01:50:21 <SpeedEvil> PMU IIRC
Aug 22 01:51:18 <DukeOfURL> that makes sense--battvolt, etc.
Aug 22 01:51:39 <cheriff> hello, can someone please copy /etc/pointercal to a pastebin somewhere for me?
Aug 22 01:52:14 <SpeedEvil> no.
Aug 22 01:52:15 <SpeedEvil> root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/pointercal 
Aug 22 01:52:15 <SpeedEvil> -93 35970 -2324360 -48069 189 45180528 65536
Aug 22 01:52:15 <SpeedEvil> root@fic-gta01:~$ 
Aug 22 01:53:08 <cheriff> SpeedEvil: thankyou very much!!
Aug 22 01:55:21 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 22 01:55:21 <cheriff> (wast sure how long it is.. didn't want to ask anyone to flood :)
Aug 22 01:59:15 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Battery_Charger]]
Aug 22 02:05:41 <hozer> is there any nice way to get the power a USB port is providing?
Aug 22 02:06:00 <khorben> usbdevs ?
Aug 22 02:06:08 <hozer> I have a macbook running linux and I'd like to monitor the neo power consumption
Aug 22 02:07:35 <DukeOfURL> sagacis: bitbake world?  :-)
Aug 22 02:09:56 <sagacis> you could try. I can't get openmoko-devel-image to complete a build, so the world doesn't matter.
Aug 22 02:10:01 <sagacis> I wasn't that patient
Aug 22 02:10:28 <khorben> lsusb maybe, but for some reason I have no /proc/bus/usb directory
Aug 22 02:10:58 <cesarb> khorben: your distro should mount it for you on boot
Aug 22 02:11:01 <hozer> lsusb does not seem to tell one how much power each device is using
Aug 22 02:11:03 <cesarb> khorben: it's a separate filesystem
Aug 22 02:11:09 <khorben> cesarb: this is a debian from scratch
Aug 22 02:11:21 <hozer> and my neo has apparently powered back off and *should* be fast chargeing
Aug 22 02:11:41 <khorben> cesarb: the directory /proc/bus/usb does not even exist
Aug 22 02:11:57 <DukeOfURL> sometimes I can tap the screen to wake it up--other times I have to hit the power button...
Aug 22 02:12:20 <hozer> it was at the uboot prompt
Aug 22 02:12:42 <DukeOfURL> during the screen tap period, ssh is responsive.  after about five minutes, ssh is suspended and a power press is required.
Aug 22 02:13:17 <DukeOfURL> how many different sleep states are there?
Aug 22 02:13:46 <cesarb> DukeOfURL: touch screen is connected to the application processor
Aug 22 02:13:47 <SpeedEvil> I think at the moment 2 'alive' states
Aug 22 02:13:59 <SpeedEvil> suspend-RAM and normal
Aug 22 02:14:04 <cesarb> DukeOfURL: if it powers off, it cannot get touches
Aug 22 02:14:07 <sagacis> my pppd only works if I nodetach it, which ties up a terminal to keep it alive.  Anybody else try this yet?
Aug 22 02:16:27 <SpeedEvil> nohup 
Aug 22 02:16:34 <SpeedEvil> or screen
Aug 22 02:17:31 <kristian-m> 'night
Aug 22 02:19:38 <khorben> I don't understand what I'm missing I have CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS
Aug 22 02:22:42 <sagacis> SpeedEvil: Where those directed at my pppd question?
Aug 22 02:22:48 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Aug 22 02:23:01 <SpeedEvil> Though it's a workaround of course.
Aug 22 02:23:09 <sagacis> Those aren't documented anywhere that I can see (I haven't yet looked through the code). What do they do?
Aug 22 02:23:18 <SpeedEvil> nohup foo&
Aug 22 02:23:23 <SpeedEvil> starts program foo
Aug 22 02:23:29 <sagacis> oh, right
Aug 22 02:23:38 <SpeedEvil> and outputs stdout and stderr to nohup.out
Aug 22 02:23:47 <sagacis> I thought you meant as a pppd argument.
Aug 22 02:23:49 * sagacis blushes
Aug 22 02:25:40 <hozer> so.. how do I tell how charged the battery is
Aug 22 02:26:07 <hozer> I have a charging icon, but no idea how long the charge will take
Aug 22 02:29:39 <sagacis> Got gprs running.  Disconnected the usb cable - X crashed. :(
Aug 22 02:30:35 <mrface> webkit-gtk fails to compile?
Aug 22 02:30:49 <SpeedEvil> sagacis: odd - worked fine for me.
Aug 22 02:31:18 <SpeedEvil> I did some browsing in hte garden using 'web'
Aug 22 02:31:54 <mrface> SpeedEvil: using bluetooth pan?
Aug 22 02:32:05 <SpeedEvil> No.
Aug 22 02:32:07 <SpeedEvil> GPRS
Aug 22 02:32:13 * SpeedEvil had free GPRS
Aug 22 02:32:19 <SpeedEvil> (10 days free intro)
Aug 22 02:32:20 <mrface> me too
Aug 22 02:32:48 <sagacis> I'm paying big bux for gprs, so I plan to use it a lot.
Aug 22 02:33:14 <sagacis> I'll switch to neo for chat if I can get a chat client working. I had one on .1, but it doesn't work on the eabi for some reason.
Aug 22 02:35:59 <SpeedEvil> Stupid solution. chrooted copy of 2007.1 on the microSD.
Aug 22 02:44:14 <sagacis> heh.  It's kind of funny to see a picture of the neo on the neo
Aug 22 02:49:16 <cesarb> sagacis: try to get a picture of it, so you can see a picture of the neo on a picture of the neo on the neo
Aug 22 02:50:50 <sagacis> heh.  I should do that!
Aug 22 02:50:58 <sagacis> I have xchat.  Going to install....
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