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Aug 24 03:12:52 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko]] [[Binary_compatibility]]
Aug 24 03:56:24 <Aztlek> Hello
Aug 24 04:08:29 <dsilva> I compiled a "hello world" C program with arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/gcc  like it says in the wiki, then scp'd it to the phone, but when I try to run it I get "not found"... what does that mean?
Aug 24 04:16:44 <jeddy3|Zzz> dsilva, sorry if obviuos but, does it have executeproperties on the neo?, and were do you put it/how do you run it? 
Aug 24 04:18:04 <dsilva> yep, it's exec
Aug 24 04:18:31 <dsilva> $ scp hello root@192.168.0.202:/tmp/
Aug 24 04:18:37 <dsilva> $ ssh root@192.168.0.202 /tmp/hello
Aug 24 04:18:45 <dsilva> sh: /tmp/hello: not found
Aug 24 04:19:21 <dsilva> jeddy3|Zzz: -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         7050 Jan  1 00:31 /tmp/hello
Aug 24 04:20:06 <dsilva> when I run 'file' against it, I see:
Aug 24 04:20:07 <dsilva> hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
Aug 24 04:20:27 <dsilva> but if I grab /usr/bin/wget off the phone and run 'file' against that, I see:
Aug 24 04:20:36 <dsilva> wget: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
Aug 24 04:21:25 <hozer> is ldd on the phone?
Aug 24 04:21:57 <dsilva> hmm, I don't think so
Aug 24 04:22:07 <hozer> is there an arm-*-ldd
Aug 24 04:22:46 <dsilva> not on the phone
Aug 24 04:23:14 <dsilva> the phone's using a pretty much untouched image since it arrived in the mail a few weeks ago
Aug 24 04:23:31 <hozer> I mean a host arm*ldd ?
Aug 24 04:23:47 <hozer> it seems like either a missing shared lib or an abi difference
Aug 24 04:24:02 <dsilva> there's a host ld, but not ldd
Aug 24 04:24:26 <dsilva> under moto/build/tmp/cross/bin/
Aug 24 04:24:35 <dsilva> and moto/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/
Aug 24 04:24:41 <dsilva> er, moko, not moto :)
Aug 24 04:24:44 <hozer> heh
Aug 24 04:27:04 <dsilva> could it be linked against a different libc?
Aug 24 04:28:31 <dsilva> oops, compiling it with gcc -static, yields "Illegal instruction" when I try to run it on the phone
Aug 24 04:33:48 <roh> what does file say at the static version?
Aug 24 04:35:06 <dsilva> hello-static: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, statically linked, not stripped
Aug 24 04:37:04 <dsilva> by the way, my phone's uname -a says:
Aug 24 04:37:05 <dsilva> Linux fic-gta01 2.6.21.3-moko10 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 8 07:25:36 UTC 2007 armv4tl unknown
Aug 24 04:40:57 <dsilva> ohh there it is
Aug 24 04:41:11 <dsilva> openmoko uses a different ABI since August
Aug 24 04:41:39 <dsilva> i'll try under a new set of uboot/kernel/rootfs images
Aug 24 04:53:46 <rastern800> mew
Aug 24 04:54:30 <gcb77> I have an emulator image running, and the pointer is not calibrated and WAY off
Aug 24 04:54:43 <gcb77> any idea on how I can fix it?
Aug 24 04:56:32 <rastern800> thou calibateth it
Aug 24 04:58:06 <blindcoder> moin
Aug 24 04:59:47 <gcb77> ah, cool there we go
Aug 24 05:00:06 <gcb77> just kept hitting the mouse until it the apps tab got selected, then used the keyboard
Aug 24 05:00:11 <gcb77> started terminal and ran xtscal
Aug 24 05:04:04 <hozer> grrrr.. a patch to matchbox-keyboard is failing on mokomakefile
Aug 24 05:05:12 <dsilva> ah great, it works now
Aug 24 05:05:28 <hozer> Patch fic-gta01-font-size.patch does not apply (enforce with -f)
Aug 24 05:05:28 <hozer> ERROR: Task 241 (/vicepb/moko/openembedded/packages/matchbox-keyboard/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_svn.bb, do_patch) failed
Aug 24 05:08:13 <gcb77> could somebody else with a NEO verify that the matchbox-keyboard can't use '[', and instead writes '{'?
Aug 24 05:09:40 <Aria> Confirmed.
Aug 24 05:10:20 <hads> Yeah. The finger based one can.
Aug 24 05:10:30 <hads> But not stylus
Aug 24 05:12:44 <hozer> hrrm... what is the difference between the finger & stylus keyboard?
Aug 24 05:13:11 <hads> Also Shift+< == > and Shift+` == ~
Aug 24 05:13:55 <hads> hozer: One is for finger input and one is for styles ;)
Aug 24 05:13:59 <roh> hozer the difference is the style and the level of broken-ness ;)I
Aug 24 05:14:33 <gcb77> hozer: the stylus one is layed out more like a real keyboard, with access to SHIFT, CTRL, ALT, etc
Aug 24 05:14:40 <hads> hozer: If you tap on the right hand side of the white box you will get a choice of options
Aug 24 05:15:00 <hads> Also the finger one is prettier :)
Aug 24 05:15:17 <hozer> hrrm.. I think I am using the finger one
Aug 24 05:15:22 <gcb77> can anyone use the finger keyboard with an actual finger?
Aug 24 05:15:26 <hozer> I am running the chooseopen images
Aug 24 05:15:37 <hozer> and I've been able to sorta use the finger keyboard
Aug 24 05:15:59 <hads> gcb77: Yeah, it's still a bit small isn't it.
Aug 24 05:16:45 <gcb77> OMG, it actually works!
Aug 24 05:17:32 <hozer> okay, so how can I get a damn image to build ?
Aug 24 05:17:40 <gcb77> my finger covers 4 of the buttons at a time, but gets the one I'm trying to hit
Aug 24 05:18:01 <raster> your fingers are buggy. too big.
Aug 24 05:18:06 <hads> The finger keyboard only appears to be designed for the verticle orientation.
Aug 24 05:18:10 <gcb77> yea, been working on that
Aug 24 05:18:15 <raster> get the minifinger patch.
Aug 24 05:18:55 * gcb77 dreams of senseboard (http://senseboard.com/) but knows it won't happen
Aug 24 05:19:35 <hads> Oops. Killed X
Aug 24 05:19:36 <gcb77> hozer: you trying to build MokoMakefile?
Aug 24 05:19:41 <roh> gcb77 i've used a lot of stuff.. but even the laserkeyboards do not 'help'
Aug 24 05:20:22 <roh> get a bt-keyboard if you wanna type more than numbers and single words from time to time and spare yourself the pain of minikeys and touchscreen-keyboards
Aug 24 05:20:22 <hozer> gcb77: yeah.. make openmoko-devel-image
Aug 24 05:20:54 <hozer> I've done 'make setup update openmoko-devel-image' several times
Aug 24 05:21:03 <gcb77> I managed to do that yesterday... it built
Aug 24 05:21:22 <hads> roh: BT keyboard for SMS? :)
Aug 24 05:22:21 <gcb77> Yeah, I subscribed to the list in 2001... guess how many messages I got?
Aug 24 05:22:40 <gcb77> 1, saying they're looking for funding :(
Aug 24 05:23:00 <gcb77> Then a survey asking if we (list watchers) would be willing to invest
Aug 24 05:23:25 <gcb77> then nothing
Aug 24 05:23:41 <roh> hads not that i like sms... i think most people are faster with the classic telephone-style or T9 (not me on t9) than without a stylus on the onscreen-keyboard
Aug 24 05:24:45 <hads> Yeah, I agree. Num pad/T9 input would be better. I was just being smart :)
Aug 24 05:24:52 <roh> hads for sms i could imagine turning the phone 90degree and using about 1/2-2/3 of the screen as onscreen keyboard.. sms is only 160chars, so the textbox above does not need to be big. same with chat
Aug 24 05:25:07 <hads> roh: Agreed again
Aug 24 05:25:21 <Aria> Indeed.
Aug 24 05:25:36 <hozer> put the little caps/num/other buttons on the bottom instead of the left side
Aug 24 05:25:38 <raster> i think u can get imaginative with vkbds
Aug 24 05:25:47 <hozer> that'd make the buttons a little bigger
Aug 24 05:25:51 <hads> hozer: Yeah, that would give more realestate too.
Aug 24 05:25:56 <roh> hads but we'll see..atm i'm playing mp3 on my moko and wondering why the adapter i bought does not fir 100%.. propably my adapter
Aug 24 05:25:58 <raster> like make use of dragging keys
Aug 24 05:27:43 <hozer> okay, I cleaned the work dir and it seems to be building
Aug 24 05:31:04 <hozer> so when I have the neo on my desk, plugged into the laptop, and am sshed in, it wakes up whenever I touch the screen
Aug 24 05:31:29 <hozer> but now it seems whenever I try to start terminal it goes back to sleep
Aug 24 05:31:41 <hozer> and I have it plugged into the laptop
Aug 24 05:31:50 <hozer> but the laptop itself is on battery
Aug 24 05:43:42 <jeddy3> morning
Aug 24 05:46:18 <gcb77> I'm writing a but on the stylus keyboard, so far I have ` [ ] < and ' as not working.  Anyone know of any other ones?
Aug 24 05:46:19 <cheriff> does anyone know how to go from a vmlinux -> uImage.bin in a simple way?
Aug 24 05:46:29 <gcb77> s/but/bug
Aug 24 05:47:49 <mrface> gcb77: I didn't notice any of them not working
Aug 24 05:48:14 <CM> Morning :)
Aug 24 05:48:16 <gcb77> mrface: using the stylus keyboard on the NEO?
Aug 24 05:48:31 <mrface> gcb77: I guess I didn't try those keys
Aug 24 05:52:53 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 748 has been created by george.barta(AT)gmail.com
Aug 24 05:52:54 <cdbot2> * * Stylus keyboard cannot use square brackets
Aug 24 05:52:55 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=748
Aug 24 06:14:56 <cheriff> u-boot patches dont apply clean to vanilla 1.2.0?
Aug 24 06:18:32 <CM> pavelm's hack yesterday: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/44345.html  :)
Aug 24 06:42:15 <xkr47> v2!! :)
Aug 24 06:49:25 <daMaestro> xkr47, ?
Aug 24 06:50:28 <xkr47> laf0rge's quit msg..
Aug 24 06:59:24 <CM> I guess the Neo screen is too small for something like this: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/so-nice/how-to-install-nintendo-games-and-play-with-tactile-feedback-in-your-iphone-292655.php
Aug 24 06:59:28 <CM> Or? :-)
Aug 24 07:06:12 <trains> hello, i'm a newbie and i'm having a problem running openmoko on qemu
Aug 24 07:06:37 <trains> i followed the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch
Aug 24 07:07:04 <trains> i did make qemu
Aug 24 07:07:19 <trains> qemu started ok, but i can't click in anything
Aug 24 07:07:36 <trains> any ideas?
Aug 24 07:07:42 <gordonsyme> trains: the OpenMoko images ship with touchscreen calibration data for the Neo1973 device
Aug 24 07:08:02 <gordonsyme> trains: with qemu the calibration data is wrong
Aug 24 07:08:08 <trains> ok
Aug 24 07:08:16 <gordonsyme> trains: so the touchscreen appears to be rotated 90 degrees to the actual display
Aug 24 07:08:23 <trains> how do i calibrate for qemu?
Aug 24 07:09:07 <gcb77> trains: I just had to do this a few hours ago
Aug 24 07:09:14 <gordonsyme> that's the trick. My current approach is to remove openembedded/packages/pointercal and rebuild. This should leave out the touchscreen calibration data and run the calibration tool when you boot
Aug 24 07:09:28 <trains> ah ok
Aug 24 07:09:31 <gordonsyme> although I should point out that my build hasn't finished yet so I don't know if it works :)
Aug 24 07:09:46 <gcb77> It seems the calibration is inverted, so to select at the botom you have to click around the top
Aug 24 07:10:08 <gcb77> if you can hit the apps tab, you can use the keyboard (using tab and arrow) to start a terminal
Aug 24 07:10:28 <gcb77> then run xtscal
Aug 24 07:10:48 <gcb77> Unfortunately, it ususally takes 3 or 4 taps for a click to register
Aug 24 07:12:13 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt_Main]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]]
Aug 24 07:12:37 <daMaestro> xkr47, ahh
Aug 24 07:14:28 <mrface> CM: I think the biggest problem would be lack of multi-touch.  i.e. you could not press the b and a buttons at the same time
Aug 24 07:15:25 <Dmitry_Platonov> I'd rather stick usb "jacket" with hardware buttons
Aug 24 07:24:56 <trains> gcb77: thanks. i got it
Aug 24 07:31:01 <CM> mrface: True. Multi-touch would have been sweet :)
Aug 24 07:32:11 <mrface> CM: I ran into that problem when running an NES emulator on my ipaq.  you can play certain games though.. I played most of the way through final fantasy 1 :)
Aug 24 07:42:40 <trains> how do i quit que dialier application? :)
Aug 24 07:45:58 <FuzzyCat> mmm... ipkg needs some way to get the singer scrolly app to re-read the configs...
Aug 24 07:46:07 <FuzzyCat> s/singer/finger/
Aug 24 07:46:07 <apt> FuzzyCat meant: mmm... ipkg needs some way to get the finger scrolly app to re-read the configs...
Aug 24 07:46:52 * rwhitby reinstalls his CentOS5 build machine with XUbuntu 7.04 instead
Aug 24 07:47:29 * FuzzyCat installs a new version of rwhitby 
Aug 24 07:50:56 <|R>  
Aug 24 09:06:56 <torpor> morning chaps
Aug 24 09:07:17 <CM> Morning
Aug 24 09:12:33 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Wish_List]]
Aug 24 09:21:13 <borg_> CM: you need multitouch for this
Aug 24 09:22:06 <josh23> hi
Aug 24 09:22:07 <borg_> oh, someone said that allready ;)
Aug 24 09:22:18 <josh23> when is teh openmoko going to be released?
Aug 24 09:22:18 <aloril> josh23: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 24 09:22:49 <josh23> any date of the final?
Aug 24 09:23:55 <aloril> no better official dates than on those pages
Aug 24 09:24:10 <josh23> :(
Aug 24 09:24:34 <josh23> im goin to some convention on oct 13.. and i need the openmoko lol..
Aug 24 09:27:01 <XorA> someone should have got OpenMoko into GenCON
Aug 24 09:28:06 <torpor> cm: opentouch for what?
Aug 24 09:28:51 <torpor> qemuNOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/qemu/files/./configure-0.9.0.patch not found.
Aug 24 09:31:18 <CM> How would an usb-gamepad work as input?
Aug 24 09:34:36 <ScaredyCat> keyboard
Aug 24 09:34:42 <ScaredyCat>  or joystick
Aug 24 09:52:10 <hrw> torpor: update and restart build
Aug 24 09:54:21 <torpor> where is the usb host port on the neo .. inside?
Aug 24 09:54:54 <jeddy3> torpor, same as ordinary
Aug 24 09:55:02 <jeddy3> torpor, there is only one
Aug 24 09:55:37 <torpor> but its not host right?
Aug 24 09:55:39 <hrw> there are two
Aug 24 09:55:42 <torpor> only device?
Aug 24 09:55:50 <hrw> first is internal one - BT is there
Aug 24 09:56:00 <torpor> configure-0.9.0.patch not found ..
Aug 24 09:56:02 <drath> it is a host
Aug 24 09:56:10 <drath> and device
Aug 24 09:56:11 <torpor> but we can't plug our own devices into it then?
Aug 24 09:56:14 <drath> i.e. it can be both
Aug 24 09:56:19 <hrw> second is external one - normally used as device, can be switched to host mode with proper cable
Aug 24 09:56:28 <jeddy3> torpor, what drath said
Aug 24 09:56:35 <torpor> ah, that is interesting!  i want to know how to do that right away .. 
Aug 24 09:56:36 <drath> but it's unpowered
Aug 24 09:56:44 <drath> so most devices wont work out of the box
Aug 24 09:56:50 <drath> you need a cable that injects the power
Aug 24 09:56:55 <torpor> ok
Aug 24 09:57:00 <torpor> i'll go look for the pinouts then.
Aug 24 09:57:07 <hrw> torpor: mtn head please then
Aug 24 09:57:10 <drath> that should all be in the wiki somewhere
Aug 24 09:57:32 <torpor> great i'll check it out.
Aug 24 09:57:38 <torpor> hrw: mtn head in openmoko/ right?
Aug 24 09:57:54 <hrw> torpor: in directory with OpenEmbedded metadata
Aug 24 09:58:12 <torpor> ah, right.
Aug 24 09:58:39 <hrw> torpor: I do not use mokomakefile
Aug 24 10:01:02 <ixs> torpor: seems your qemu problem is an old one.
Aug 24 10:01:09 <ixs> mickey hat that problem in july
Aug 24 10:01:15 <ixs> never been fixed it seems.
Aug 24 10:01:20 <torpor> damnit
Aug 24 10:01:26 <torpor> how'd i get here then?  
Aug 24 10:02:54 <ixs> does it work with head for you?
Aug 24 10:02:58 <torpor> nope
Aug 24 10:03:19 <torpor> these sorts of problems are terribly frustrating.
Aug 24 10:04:13 <CM> torpor: I have this in my config: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/local.conf
Aug 24 10:04:17 <torpor> i don't get what the problem is -there is no configure-0.9.0.patch, or is it that the build system shouldn't be putting 0.9.0 into the filenames .. 
Aug 24 10:04:19 <hrw> jesus...
Aug 24 10:04:25 <hrw> torpor: MTN HEAD!
Aug 24 10:04:35 <torpor> hrw: i did that!
Aug 24 10:05:00 <torpor> CM: thanks, i'll use that to fix.
Aug 24 10:05:13 <hrw> torpor: let me rephrase then...
Aug 24 10:05:27 <hrw> torpor: show me output of 'mtn head' command pleae
Aug 24 10:05:41 <XorA> torpor: wont help
Aug 24 10:05:49 <XorA> torpor: unless you just happen to be on amd64
Aug 24 10:05:54 <torpor> j@boko-ubu:~/hak/openmoko/openembedded$ mtn head
Aug 24 10:05:54 <torpor> mtn: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' is currently merged:
Aug 24 10:05:56 <torpor> 5bd202316920d744a19326b228181e9a848e6474 hrw@openembedded.org 2007-08-24T09:42:19
Aug 24 10:06:11 <hrw> ok. so it should work now
Aug 24 10:06:16 <torpor> does not
Aug 24 10:06:29 <hrw> then blame openmoko maintainers
Aug 24 10:06:30 <torpor> i'll just use CM's local.conf tweak ..
Aug 24 10:06:32 <torpor> ok
Aug 24 10:06:54 <XorA> CM: do you realise, you set a version of qemu for amd64, then in same file disabled use of qemu?
Aug 24 10:07:22 <XorA> CM: you also set a locale to generate then disable generation :-)
Aug 24 10:07:45 <CM> XorA: I just added that last line on stefan_schmidt's suggestion
Aug 24 10:08:22 <CM> But yes, I admit that bitbake is still a big mystery to me
Aug 24 10:08:43 <CM> I just happily tries suggestions and see what works
Aug 24 10:08:46 <torpor> you and me both CM .. i actually find myself yearning for subversion lately .. ;)
Aug 24 10:08:49 * torpor ducks
Aug 24 10:09:22 <XorA> CM: heh heh, well with the last line, you disbaled binary generation of locales on host, which isnt actually bad on neo as neo has enough RAM to do them on device (just sloooooow)
Aug 24 10:09:35 <XorA> CM: so you can probably lose the three lines above that
Aug 24 10:09:57 <CM> XorA: Ok, thanks :-)
Aug 24 10:10:00 <jgm> The build system does feel somewhat... unstable.  I try it every couple of days and when it fails miserably I just carry on with the app coding.  I'm hoping that at some stage before my app is ready it will be 'easy' to integrate new packages, but who knows?
Aug 24 10:10:33 <XorA> jgm: the build system is not unstable, the openmoko DISTRO is currently unstable
Aug 24 10:10:51 <XorA> jgm: angstrom is pretty rock solid in same build system
Aug 24 10:10:52 <torpor> i find myself forcing a build to be done every few hours just so that if something is broken by someone i'll know about it in advance..
Aug 24 10:12:12 <jgm> Well at current I'm getting mtn misuse errors when attempting to update the openembedded directory and there's always *something* out there that stops me from getting a good build
Aug 24 10:12:20 <jgm> Different thing each time perhaps, but then that's what I mean
Aug 24 10:12:49 <XorA> jgm: what errors, we are here to help :-)
Aug 24 10:13:06 <torpor> i completed my first real build last night and was able to boot both image and filesystem, which is what ineed for my work, but now its all borked again with this 0.9.0 bug in qemu
Aug 24 10:13:55 * XorA dies coughing
Aug 24 10:14:38 <ScaredyCat> can I have your neo then ?
Aug 24 10:15:38 <XorA> NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed
Aug 24 10:15:48 <XorA> if I saw qemu problem Id fix it
Aug 24 10:15:56 <XorA> this isnt a svn bitbake issue again
Aug 24 10:16:07 * ScaredyCat fixes qemu for good.
Aug 24 10:17:34 <ixs> XorA: could you check if you have a packages/qemu/files/configure-0.9.patch in your oe dir?
Aug 24 10:17:48 <jgm> XorA: http://pastebin.ca/669026
Aug 24 10:18:19 <jgm> Although if it's borked I will start the whole thing off again in a few hours (as my new computer just arrived :))
Aug 24 10:18:41 <ixs> jgm: looks as if you should just rm -rf _MTN/tmp/1 and try again? at least that#s what I would do...
Aug 24 10:18:55 <XorA> ixs: no, but none of the qemu .bb files I have reference a file by that name, mtn checkout as of 5 mins ago
Aug 24 10:19:05 <jgm> I have no idea about monotone so don't know if it should be there, shouldn't be there, should be something else, or whatever
Aug 24 10:19:29 <ixs> XorA: uhh. check for configure-0.9.0.patch.
Aug 24 10:19:34 * FuzzyCat points at the folly of using a dev system to build a dev system
Aug 24 10:19:36 <ixs> sorry,typo there.
Aug 24 10:20:14 <XorA> FuzzyCat: build system is stable, metadata is unstable, different concepts
Aug 24 10:20:44 <FuzzyCat> I didn;t say that
Aug 24 10:22:34 <XorA> ixs: it looks like for some reason some people are using an old OE checkout 5bd202316920d744a19326b228181e9a848e6474 is the latest rev, and doesnt have qemu bug
Aug 24 10:22:46 <XorA> ixs: I would suspect some confsion around MokoMakefile
Aug 24 10:23:36 <ixs> XorA: interesting.
Aug 24 10:23:39 <ixs> might actually be
Aug 24 10:24:11 <XorA> also my local.conf is purely consisting of
Aug 24 10:24:13 <XorA> DL_DIR = "${HOME}/zaurus/sources"
Aug 24 10:24:13 <XorA> BBFILES := "${HOME}/zaurus/org.openembedded.dev/packages/*/*.bb"
Aug 24 10:24:13 <XorA> MACHINE="fic-gta01"
Aug 24 10:24:13 <XorA> DISTRO="openmoko"
Aug 24 10:24:36 <XorA> INHERIT += "rm_work"
Aug 24 10:24:43 <XorA> so no hacks in there
Aug 24 10:24:44 <ixs> workaround is (cd openembedded/packages/qemu/; ln -s ln -s qemu-0.9.0+cvs20070701/configure-0.9.0.patch)
Aug 24 10:24:56 <ixs> (remove one ln -s)
Aug 24 10:25:10 <XorA> ixs: ah, you have PREFERRED_VERSION_qemu-native set somewhere, remove it
Aug 24 10:25:15 <ixs> the configure-patch is in a subdir and not being foudn by bitbake... could very well be makefile trouble.
Aug 24 10:26:05 <XorA> 20070701 was a qemu-native that was hacked up to work with amd64, hrw since then checked in a better version that works with amd64 and i386
Aug 24 10:27:26 <ixs> XorA: hmmm. I wouldn't know where I set it, It's a new dir with the mokomakefile stuff... local and site conf do not seem to have it. let#s see if grep turns something up
Aug 24 10:28:20 <ixs> mhm, gotta run, got an invitation for lunch... l8r
Aug 24 10:32:23 <XorA> ixs: ah, its possible this is a bug that was just fixed in bitbake svn, so if you make update and try again
Aug 24 10:33:14 <XorA> ixs: MokoMakefile is maybe still using svn bitbake which it shouldnt do
Aug 24 10:33:50 <XorA> only OE core people should really use SVN bitbake
Aug 24 10:34:50 <XorA> jgm: rm -rf _MTN/tmp/1 and try again, its a wierd issue with mtn that happens on occasion
Aug 24 10:35:04 <XorA> jgm: I mean rm -rf _MTN/tmp/*
Aug 24 10:36:56 <jgm> XorA: trying now...
Aug 24 10:39:43 <wansti> hey there
Aug 24 10:41:46 <rwhitby> XorA: MokoMakefile uses the bitbake 1.8 stable branch svn
Aug 24 10:42:18 <XorA> rwhitby: stable branch is not same as stable release, as past 2 weeks demonstrate
Aug 24 10:42:36 <XorA> rwhitby: you should pull from tagged releases
Aug 24 10:43:38 <rwhitby> Hmm - methinks the problem is the stability of the stable branch, not the fact that mokomakefile is pulling from the stable branch.
Aug 24 10:44:10 <XorA> rwhitby: its development between stable versions, but as last two weeks have proved, some people get caught between chagnes/bugs
Aug 24 10:44:26 <torpor> like me for example
Aug 24 10:44:50 * rwhitby looks at bitbake svn for tags structure
Aug 24 10:45:06 <XorA> rwhitby: anyone who has a clue will be using OE direct so it would make more sense for MokoMakefile to use stable releases, then at least what the clueless run is the same as what I run, and lower the insanity level :-D
Aug 24 10:45:42 <rwhitby> XorA: I find it somewhat insulting that you equate MokoMakefile usage with not having a clue.  I would request that you stop that.
Aug 24 10:47:00 <XorA> rwhitby: you know that not true as you know I am a user of it
Aug 24 10:47:32 <XorA> rwhitby: I just never moved to 2007.2 version
Aug 24 10:48:53 <rwhitby> well, there is a undercurrent of disdain that some in the OE development community direct towards things that make the barrier to entry of OE lower for those who want to develop for OpenMoko but have no desire to learn bitbake or openembedded.
Aug 24 10:49:19 <XorA> rwhitby: well hopefully that will change soon
Aug 24 10:49:28 <XorA> rwhitby: its a culture I do not like
Aug 24 10:50:33 <rwhitby> XorA: apologies for incorrectly associating you with that culture.
Aug 24 10:51:07 <XorA> rwhitby: no probs, I like MokoMakefile, and I dont see why anyone should be excluded, I apologise for badly stating what I meant
Aug 24 10:51:15 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03rwhitby * r150 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Use tagged release of bitbake 1.8.8
Aug 24 10:51:42 <FuzzyCat> nodobt disses the mokomakefile and lives.
Aug 24 10:51:49 <FuzzyCat> nobody
Aug 24 10:52:25 <FuzzyCat> even if you only use it to set things up it's pretty damn good...
Aug 24 10:53:08 <FuzzyCat> it would be nice for it to setup a local part too.. but that's just mho.
Aug 24 10:54:26 <FuzzyCat> in fact, 
Aug 24 10:54:30 <FuzzyCat> rwhitby, ...
Aug 24 10:54:35 <FuzzyCat> could you add that?
Aug 24 10:54:49 <FuzzyCat> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course 
Aug 24 10:55:16 <rwhitby> FuzzyCat: not a bad idea.  I'll look into it when I get some free time.
Aug 24 10:55:57 <FuzzyCat> k.. 
Aug 24 10:56:07 <FuzzyCat> might make it much simpler for new developers
Aug 24 10:57:27 <FuzzyCat> lots of changes to openembedded today? 
Aug 24 10:58:18 <rwhitby> does the day end in 'y'?
Aug 24 10:58:27 <Dmitry_Platonov> FuzzyCat, I'd say lots of changes last week
Aug 24 10:59:54 <FuzzyCat> 1 minute to 12, XorA|pub not hanging around ;)
Aug 24 11:00:15 <FuzzyCat> the update is killing my laptop..
Aug 24 11:12:53 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SH1]] [[User:PiotrDuda_notes]] [[User:PiotrDuda]] [[OMLG-Duesseldorf_Meeting_20070823]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Repositories]] [[Buying_Interest_List]]
Aug 24 11:20:31 <rwhitby> FuzzyCat: someone needs to modify http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course so that it doesn't use DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS - see hrw's blog on the subject.  Once that is fixed, I'll take another look at it.
Aug 24 11:20:59 <ScaredyCat> url to blog entry ?
Aug 24 11:21:12 <rwhitby> planet.openmoko.org
Aug 24 11:21:33 <FuzzyCat> it's a recent one then?
Aug 24 11:21:40 <FuzzyCat> ahh.. k
Aug 24 11:23:57 <FuzzyCat> well, he provides the bitch, but not really an example... which is what most people want.. so they'll continue to abuse those variables...
Aug 24 11:34:20 * aloril wonders what that sigh is about
Aug 24 11:41:10 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03wansti * r2827 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ (3 files): An unintrusive startup sound (for all you developers who have to reboot a lot :-))
Aug 24 11:42:33 <stefan_schmidt> ~hail wansti 
Aug 24 11:42:34 * apt bows down to wansti and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Aug 24 11:44:25 <wansti> lol
Aug 24 11:44:32 * FuzzyCat just edited the server.conf file...
Aug 24 11:45:00 <wansti> could someone please svn copy this to OM-2007.2? i don't have access to that repository
Aug 24 11:45:41 <stefan_schmidt> wansti: Will do
Aug 24 11:47:41 <torpor> how'd you make the sound wansti ?
Aug 24 11:51:49 <PBeck> hi
Aug 24 11:55:42 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03stefan * r2828 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/ (3 files): * Copy new sound files over to OM2007.2 as wansti has not access to it yet.
Aug 24 11:55:58 <zecke> wansti: are you sure?
Aug 24 11:57:31 <ynezz> does anybody use root over nfs?
Aug 24 12:00:05 <Dmitry_Platonov> is libmokogsmd2_svn.bb broken?
Aug 24 12:00:49 <stefan_schmidt> Dmitry_Platonov: It should not, why?
Aug 24 12:01:06 <wansti> zecke: sure about what? no access?
Aug 24 12:01:59 <zecke> wansti: yes, about your access. I was able to commit to 2007.2 just fine and I don't think some one changed acl's
Aug 24 12:02:17 <woglinde> he zecke
Aug 24 12:02:21 <woglinde> he stefan_schmidt
Aug 24 12:02:38 <stefan_schmidt> hi woglinde 
Aug 24 12:02:40 <wansti> torpor: just placed a few notes on a midi track, chose an instrument and recorded it :-P
Aug 24 12:03:24 <wansti> torpor: i also played with the panning effects a bit while i was at it, but i don't think anyone will notice on the Neo
Aug 24 12:03:42 <wansti> zecke: hm, weird. i got an "authorization failed" message
Aug 24 12:03:52 <woglinde> damint thunder again
Aug 24 12:03:58 <woglinde> will that stop
Aug 24 12:04:17 <zecke> wansti: do you use the right server (e.g. https instead of http for the common people)?
Aug 24 12:04:30 <woglinde> and powerloss for 20 minutes at my university work
Aug 24 12:04:32 <wansti> zecke: yes i do
Aug 24 12:04:40 <zecke> woglinde: right, but these humans just don't go away...
Aug 24 12:04:52 <wansti> zecke: svn: Commit failed (details follow): svn: CHECKOUT of '/!svn/ver/2792/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds': authorization failed (https://svn.openmoko.org)
Aug 24 12:05:07 <zecke> okay, I'm going to shut up then :)
Aug 24 12:05:20 <wansti> :-P
Aug 24 12:05:37 <woglinde> and rain again
Aug 24 12:06:05 <woglinde> and there are some windows in the neigbour building which are under construction
Aug 24 12:13:08 <xkr47> is ntp available from somewhere for moko ?
Aug 24 12:14:00 <woglinde> xkr47 bitbake ntp
Aug 24 12:14:09 <xkr47> ok thx
Aug 24 12:14:29 <SpeedEvil> #!/bin/ash
Aug 24 12:14:29 <SpeedEvil> date `ssh 192.168.0.200  date "+%m%d%H%M%Y.%S"`
Aug 24 12:14:38 <woglinde> hehe
Aug 24 12:22:21 <blindcoder> SpeedEvil: interesting
Aug 24 12:23:49 * mammoth slaps mammoth around with a large Babelfish!
Aug 24 12:24:15 <zash_se> dude!
Aug 24 12:24:53 * mammoth slaps mammoth around with a large Babelfish!
Aug 24 12:25:27 <woglinde> he bc
Aug 24 12:32:37 <Dvalin> sooo, if I order an openmoko now, will it ship in september? :)
Aug 24 12:33:48 <woglinde> dvalin depends what you want
Aug 24 12:34:07 <woglinde> gta01 developer version or gta02 customer version
Aug 24 12:34:08 <Dvalin> neo advanced
Aug 24 12:34:11 <Dvalin> developer
Aug 24 12:34:46 <woglinde> hm that will be shipped earlier but I dont know the status yet
Aug 24 12:34:53 <Dvalin> okay
Aug 24 12:35:00 <Dvalin>  Please note that due to unexpected high demand, even at this early development stage, our quantities up to and including August 2007 are already oversold. This means that any orders placed now will not be shipping before September 10, 2007. We ask for your understanding. Your credit card will only be charged immediately before delivery.
Aug 24 12:35:19 <woglinde> dvalin yeah than its clear
Aug 24 12:35:50 <Dvalin> okay :)
Aug 24 12:36:13 <woglinde> hm I wonder how many they soled already
Aug 24 12:37:20 <rwhitby> I heard on the CCC video that the first run was 1000
Aug 24 12:37:35 <rwhitby> and that they have another run of 2000 underway
Aug 24 12:37:59 <rwhitby> (mokoninja on youtube)
Aug 24 12:38:23 <woglinde> rwhitby ah
Aug 24 12:38:32 <woglinde> that amde near 1 million
Aug 24 12:38:39 <woglinde> dollars
Aug 24 12:43:52 <jeddy3> are we having any progress with gllin? long time since any information...
Aug 24 12:46:19 <xkr47> scp /etc/localtime root@moko:/etc/localtime    \o/
Aug 24 12:46:34 <xkr47> .. and now my timezone works fine :)
Aug 24 12:48:28 <mdt> xkr47, didn't get the biginning, can you repeat? what did you do to fix timezone?
Aug 24 12:48:54 <xkr47> I mean, by default it just uses UTC
Aug 24 12:49:10 <xkr47> so I copied /etc/localtime from my desktop computer and now it shows up properly
Aug 24 12:49:15 <xkr47> with daylight savings et al
Aug 24 12:49:24 <mdt> xkr47, yes. and if you do a `TZ=??? date` ?
Aug 24 12:49:42 <mdt> mine does not show any other time than UTC
Aug 24 12:50:02 <xkr47> it shows the correct time with just "date" after I log out and back in
Aug 24 12:50:13 <xkr47> and TZ=UTC date shows the utc time
Aug 24 12:50:49 <mdt> ah, login again. fine. yes, that works
Aug 24 12:51:25 <xkr47> :)
Aug 24 12:51:32 <mdt> hm, but only that one timezone works: TZ=xxx date
Aug 24 12:51:32 <mdt> Fri Aug 24 12:51:18 xxx 2007
Aug 24 12:52:01 <mdt> i build & installed timezone packages... :/
Aug 24 12:52:05 <xkr47> yeah.. I guess you need to clone the whole /usr/share/zoneinfo from your pc if you want other timezones
Aug 24 12:52:13 <xkr47> yeah that's another option I guess
Aug 24 12:52:30 <mdt> ...which did not work
Aug 24 12:52:34 <xkr47> oh
Aug 24 12:52:45 <YouTuber> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fscqJP2U0kg
Aug 24 12:52:57 <xkr47> if you want the gui to show the right time, you need to restart it as well.. I was lazy and just did  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
Aug 24 12:53:21 <mdt> xkr47, shure...
Aug 24 12:59:19 <gordonsyme> Has anyone else booted OpenMoko having removed /etc/pointercal? I find that when I do I get to the "Please wait while the UI starts up" screen and no further. I'll add that I am using qemu but I'd like to hear others' experiences
Aug 24 13:12:50 <sagacis> I have a quick question that I can't find the answer to: When I call "setenv menu_6..." in the bootloader, the menu item only lasts for that session. How do I export this env variable?
Aug 24 13:13:13 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[User:Overflow]] [[User:Lux]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[MokoMakefile]]
Aug 24 13:15:24 <zedstar> my phone emulator in 2007.2 has a screen calibration problem so i have no idea where to click...anyone know a solution?
Aug 24 13:16:11 <cjb_ie> is this the "rotated by 90 degrees" behaviour?
Aug 24 13:16:23 <zedstar> it could be yeh
Aug 24 13:17:04 <cjb_ie> there's plenty of people noticed it anyway. till it's fixed, just pretend the screen is rotated by 90 degrees :-)
Aug 24 13:17:45 <zedstar> i think if i can get to the terminal i can run ts_calibrate but got no idea how to get a terminal :)
Aug 24 13:18:06 <cjb_ie> click on the 'wrong' corner :-)
Aug 24 13:18:38 <zedstar> im more used to the 2007.1 interface as never used this on my neo either so is kinda tricky this
Aug 24 13:19:42 <zedstar> what actually on the screen brings up the menu to select terminal? on 2007.1 u click on the openmoko logo
Aug 24 13:28:07 <DukeOfURL> good morning
Aug 24 13:30:54 <zedstar> yah bashing away like a chimp i got the terminal and calibrated the screen
Aug 24 13:36:24 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03werner * r2829 10/developers/werner/usbreset/ (. Makefile usbreset.c): Quick and dirty "reset all USB devices" hack.
Aug 24 13:36:39 <Writchie|zzzZZZz> sagacis: you need to save the environment to flash - there's a command for that
Aug 24 13:53:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 749 has been created by openmoko(AT)twiceasgood.net
Aug 24 13:53:55 <cdbot2> * * OpenMoko will not boot without /etc/pointercal present
Aug 24 13:53:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=749
Aug 24 14:18:49 <torpor> rwhitby: i'm with you on mokoMakefile and the OE  hijinx .. What I think the OE folks are too quick to do is ignore the fact that Moko points out the *problems* of OE's buildscheme.  
Aug 24 14:18:54 <torpor> bitbake is a nuisance.
Aug 24 14:18:55 <torpor> monotne too.
Aug 24 14:19:33 <Writchie> what would you replace it with?
Aug 24 14:19:39 <torpor> its not like the people coming to the neo project aren't competent developers - some more so than those working on the public build tools, even - and i think this whole 'people are just too stupid to mtn update' thing is a false response to the issues.
Aug 24 14:20:12 <XorA> torpor: not all the OE people think in this way
Aug 24 14:20:22 <torpor> i'd be fine with bitbake/mtn/openembedded/*moko if it was just -managed- better.  its not the tools.  if we had a common known time-of-build (for example), and anything that didn't pass that is chucked back into the tree, this would fix a lot of problems.
Aug 24 14:20:32 <bluelightning> XorA: just one in particular... :/
Aug 24 14:20:45 <torpor> like, if you're a mokomakefile user, knowing that there are big server builds every 6 hours that will *chuck out* things that are busted, would be a big help.
Aug 24 14:20:58 <mintee_> hey Writchie, that linking libs worked perfect...  my build completed last night
Aug 24 14:21:12 <Writchie> mintee_: great
Aug 24 14:21:20 <Writchie> torpor: you are right
Aug 24 14:21:34 <Writchie> IMHO
Aug 24 14:21:40 <torpor> thx.
Aug 24 14:21:43 <torpor> i'm only saying my bit.
Aug 24 14:21:45 <Writchie> these are all management issues
Aug 24 14:21:58 <Writchie> or lack of management issues
Aug 24 14:22:04 <torpor> i intend to work on openmoko as a good platform - but for me it is a *port* target, mostly - i already have tons of linux-using code that i want to run on it.
Aug 24 14:22:17 <Writchie> the productivity of the community at this point is a a few percent of what's possible
Aug 24 14:22:30 <Writchie> and it all revolves around the build system
Aug 24 14:22:33 <torpor> for pure new development, perhaps i'd have a different slant, but i'm not there with the whole openembedded philosophy quite yet.  i know its running on a lot of very nice, cheap, devices though ..
Aug 24 14:22:41 <XorA> I fully expect OpenMoko to have a build cruncher as things progress
Aug 24 14:22:51 <XorA> OE already has a build cruncher
Aug 24 14:23:06 <torpor> is that what its being called?  cruncher?
Aug 24 14:23:17 <XorA> torpor: its what I call it
Aug 24 14:23:40 <torpor> that would be very nice to have access to, frankly.   then i wouldn't have to have yet another tree of someone elses software involved in my build system; i could just rely on the common build outputs to test things.
Aug 24 14:23:57 <XorA> nothing like having Big Iron machines crunch builds overnight
Aug 24 14:24:01 <bluelightning> does it have an add-on "bad committer cruncher"?
Aug 24 14:24:03 <bluelightning> ;)
Aug 24 14:24:20 <torpor> as it is, i have mokomakfile in its own vm-image, safe for tucking away and/or out, without glitching up my own local dirs ..
Aug 24 14:24:57 <torpor> this is perhaps why it took me 6 days to complete my first moko build, and another 3 days to confirm the images/results in both qemu and my neo.
Aug 24 14:25:14 <XorA> but one thing to watch is people thing OE is a development system, its not, its a repeatable build environment, your best off writing new software the old way
Aug 24 14:25:20 <torpor> hard to say i feel like writing new code for it yet, but at least i now have tools to use to port.
Aug 24 14:26:19 <torpor> well, heck.. maybe i'll give a '45 minute new app for neo' approach a go now, if i can get at least helloworld running .. ;)
Aug 24 14:27:01 <XorA> although I will admit the sound driver for neo was written within tmp/work/arm-linux-*/linux-gta01-* :-)
Aug 24 14:27:26 <torpor> thats not very nice.
Aug 24 14:27:38 <Writchie> torpor: what did you confirm images against?
Aug 24 14:27:59 <SpeedEvil> My first useful app was developed and installed in 2 mins.
Aug 24 14:28:12 <SpeedEvil> GPS over GPRS over SSH
Aug 24 14:28:22 <torpor> running on both my qemu env and the real machine.  since what i'm working on (MidiShare ARM port) requires compiler/libs and kernel/modules build steps in tight sync, its important for me to have both realms operational.
Aug 24 14:28:40 <torpor> <0- haven't tried any phone features of neo yet.
Aug 24 14:29:07 <Writchie> torpor: but you haven't confirmed image matches anybody elses build?
Aug 24 14:29:34 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: sure - but can it built automatically for all of the targets
Aug 24 14:29:45 <Writchie> two years from now
Aug 24 14:29:53 <torpor> well, actually, i know that there is build-control going on around the public/official releases, so i'm not so fussy with if it matches: just that it runs, can be manipulated locally, etc.
Aug 24 14:31:15 <SpeedEvil> Writchie: given that it was a simple ash script - quite possibly.
Aug 24 14:31:38 <Writchie> ya got a bb recipe and all that 
Aug 24 14:31:54 <SpeedEvil> I need to get the proper toolchain setup.
Aug 24 14:32:00 <Writchie> ah
Aug 24 14:32:10 * FuzzyCat ran out of disk space again :/
Aug 24 14:33:50 <XorA> hmm, gp2x-f200 has a touchscreen
Aug 24 14:37:36 <torpor> gp2x-f200?
Aug 24 14:37:51 <XorA> linux games console
Aug 24 14:38:23 <torpor> i know what the gp2x is (i have 5 of them) didn't know there was an f200 around ..
Aug 24 14:38:45 <XorA> torpor: apparently it will be annouced next week, playasia.com jumped the gun
Aug 24 14:38:54 <XorA> torpor: sounds like an ideal place for openmoko
Aug 24 14:39:07 <torpor> open2x is much nicer for the gp2x.
Aug 24 14:39:25 <torpor> remember: its a games machine, not a PDA.
Aug 24 14:39:33 <XorA> torpor: I only have one 2x so I havent braved open2x
Aug 24 14:39:35 <torpor> most of the cool gp2x games coders would rather *not* have linux onboard.
Aug 24 14:39:51 <torpor> XorA: you can try open2x on an SD card .. 
Aug 24 14:39:55 <XorA> torpor: with a touchscreen it becomes a PDA whether they like it or not
Aug 24 14:40:09 <torpor> with a touchscreen it continues to be a badass games machine, whether anyone likes i tor not. ;)
Aug 24 14:40:13 <SpeedEvil> Not if they don't install any PDA stuffs.
Aug 24 14:40:25 <XorA> torpor: you can? I must have missed that, I been watching for the release notice
Aug 24 14:40:51 <XorA> torpor: agreed, but with a touchscreen I can sell my zaurus and have gp2x-f200
Aug 24 14:41:07 <XorA> torpor: although I hope they saw sense and allow to power from USB
Aug 24 14:42:36 <torpor> i'm keeping all my gp2x's, 3 of which i've already stripped of their cases and glommed into other things .. ;)
Aug 24 14:42:49 <torpor> i'll probably skip the f200 unless its really kickass.
Aug 24 14:43:00 <zedstar> anyone know what linking against openmoko-libs does in the hello world example? i works without it but what does openmoko-libs actually provide?
Aug 24 14:47:46 <XorA> torpor: then you have a spare gp2x case for the GTA02, which would rock
Aug 24 14:51:51 <torpor> heh
Aug 24 14:57:39 <jadams> got my phone runnign
Aug 24 14:59:37 <jadams> haven't got the gsm working yet though
Aug 24 14:59:40 <jadams> SIM's in there
Aug 24 14:59:42 <FuzzyCat> sweet jadams ...
Aug 24 15:01:07 <jadams> how do I brnig up the on screen keyboard in 2007.2?
Aug 24 15:02:17 <torpor> jadams: run input manager
Aug 24 15:03:01 <torpor> 2007.2 is sorta like an as yet not assembled package .. the bits are there, but theres tape missing.
Aug 24 15:04:09 <jadams> can't start input manager
Aug 24 15:04:13 <jadams> clicked on it, got nothing
Aug 24 15:04:52 <torpor> fresh boot, click input manager - white box comes on top of screen (dunno why that isn't fixed yet) - then open some other app that needs it like terminal .. click the box .. 
Aug 24 15:05:00 <torpor> input manager is supposed to be a 'tray' app .. 
Aug 24 15:08:03 <jadams> alright
Aug 24 15:08:33 <jadams> also I assume it's expected behaviour at this point that the on screen keyboard is wacky when I switch orientation.  also, when I switch orientation back the phone crashes
Aug 24 15:08:53 <FuzzyCat> torpor, did you get your scummvm working ok ?
Aug 24 15:09:37 <torpor> FuzzyCat: no, i got distracted by doing a new build.. ;)
Aug 24 15:09:52 <FuzzyCat> :)
Aug 24 15:09:52 <torpor> jadams: i can switch orientation many times no problems
Aug 24 15:12:22 <jadams> torpor: hrm, mine reliably faults on the second switch
Aug 24 15:12:53 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[Bootloader/ru]]
Aug 24 15:12:53 <jadams> lsof|grep ttySAC0 => gsmd is using it...
Aug 24 15:14:23 <jadams> libgsmd-tool: R (Register to operator) returns 'No.'
Aug 24 15:14:34 <jadams> is my SIM unsupported perchance?
Aug 24 15:21:42 <DukeOfURL> with a current build, I'm unable to "gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F".  After "atcmd.c:561:atcmd_drain() c_iflag = 0x00000000, c_oflag = 0x00000000, c_cflag = 0x800018b2, c_lflag = 0x00000a30" I get "can't open unix socket" :-(
Aug 24 15:22:16 <zecke> DukeOfURL: and you have af_net compiled/loaded?
Aug 24 15:22:44 <DukeOfURL> brb
Aug 24 15:35:24 <jadams> I've added the stuff to /etc/network/interfaces on my host from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
Aug 24 15:35:38 <jadams> but I don't have ip forwarding working on the phone it seems
Aug 24 15:40:15 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch!
Aug 24 15:41:46 <eggsy> Any workaround for the uicmoc4-native build problem I'm having?
Aug 24 15:42:49 <XorA> eggsy: not if you dont tell anyone the problem
Aug 24 15:43:13 <DukeOfURL> zecke: I notice that the GSM icon has three bars--does this mean that gsmd is already running?
Aug 24 15:43:40 <DukeOfURL> would cause gsmd from command line to fail?
Aug 24 15:43:58 <eggsy> XorA: sorry thought was maybe a common problem.
Aug 24 15:44:02 <FuzzyCat> if you have 3 bars  it has signal
Aug 24 15:44:08 <FuzzyCat> is reg'd too
Aug 24 15:44:17 <eggsy> XorA: keep getting  undefined reference to `QAbstractSocket::flush()
Aug 24 15:44:18 <DukeOfURL> yikes!
Aug 24 15:44:32 <eggsy> when trying to build qtopia-core-opensource
Aug 24 15:44:35 <jadams> yeah, how do I find out why gsmd won't work?
Aug 24 15:45:32 * FuzzyCat points at rm_work not working :(
Aug 24 15:45:32 <DukeOfURL> what do the two horizontal lines under the GSM icon indicate?
Aug 24 15:45:56 <FuzzyCat> errmm... "stuff" DukeOfURL ...
Aug 24 15:46:02 <FuzzyCat> they don't change...
Aug 24 15:47:15 <DukeOfURL> can't dial out, however
Aug 24 15:47:43 <FuzzyCat> even from libmokogsm..thing/
Aug 24 15:47:44 <FuzzyCat> ?
Aug 24 15:49:39 <DukeOfURL> libgsmd-tool says it can't connect with gsmd
Aug 24 15:50:14 <DukeOfURL> with the gsm power down menu item, the top panel crashes
Aug 24 15:50:27 <FuzzyCat> ok, so is gsmd running?
Aug 24 15:50:49 <FuzzyCat> ssh to the phone, and do a : ps -aux | grep gsmd
Aug 24 15:51:21 <FuzzyCat> if it's not running, do :  /etc/init.d/gsmd restart 
Aug 24 15:51:41 <FuzzyCat> (you might actually have to do a start then stop on the init.d part..
Aug 24 15:51:48 <FuzzyCat> rather than a restart
Aug 24 15:52:24 <jadams> Duke: when you do 'R' in libgsmd-tool, what's the output?
Aug 24 15:52:27 <jadams> I get 'No.'
Aug 24 15:52:38 <FuzzyCat> did you power up first jadams 
Aug 24 15:52:39 <FuzzyCat> ?
Aug 24 15:53:05 <jadams> fuzzy: yeah
Aug 24 15:53:07 <jadams> 'O'
Aug 24 15:53:29 <DukeOfURL> jadams: I get No as well
Aug 24 15:53:32 <jadams> I'm ssh'ing into the phone right now, I was doing that from rxvt on the phone before
Aug 24 15:53:38 <FuzzyCat> can you start libgsmd-tool with -m shell
Aug 24 15:53:46 <jadams> DukeOfURL, I'd heard about some SIMs that didn't work right
Aug 24 15:53:49 <FuzzyCat> can you start libgsmd-tool with -m atcmd
Aug 24 15:53:51 <FuzzyCat> i mean
Aug 24 15:54:06 <jadams> seems to have started
Aug 24 15:54:07 <jadams> now what?
Aug 24 15:54:11 <FuzzyCat> ate1
Aug 24 15:54:19 <FuzzyCat> at+cfun=1
Aug 24 15:54:29 <FuzzyCat> wait a few seconds...
Aug 24 15:54:36 <FuzzyCat> at+cops
Aug 24 15:55:08 <DukeOfURL> using this t-mob SIM and with 2007.1 I was able to make a call (albeit with no audio)
Aug 24 15:55:28 <jadams> FuzzyCat, thanks, it's searching for network now
Aug 24 15:55:50 <jadams> connected
Aug 24 15:55:52 <FuzzyCat> when it comes back, type : at+cops? (include ?)
Aug 24 15:55:59 <FuzzyCat> and it'll say what network
Aug 24 15:56:04 <jadams> RSTR=`+COPS: 0,0,"T-Mobile"'
Aug 24 15:56:26 <FuzzyCat> :)
Aug 24 15:56:50 <DukeOfURL> after reboot, gsmd is running (although gsm icon is "?")
Aug 24 15:57:20 <FuzzyCat> that means unregistered
Aug 24 15:57:56 <FuzzyCat> DukeOfURL, try what jadams just did
Aug 24 15:58:37 <DukeOfURL> that's with -m atcmd?
Aug 24 15:58:48 <FuzzyCat> yes
Aug 24 15:58:49 <jadams> FuzzyCat, I've registered now but the icon isn't updated...that won't work?
Aug 24 15:58:56 <jadams> also, why would this work but the menu on the toolbar wouldn't?
Aug 24 15:59:17 <torpor>         `${STAGING_BINDIR}/pkg-config --cflags --libs openmoko-libs gtk+-2.0`
Aug 24 15:59:17 <FuzzyCat> because it's broken... 
Aug 24 15:59:41 <jadams> fair enough
Aug 24 15:59:43 <FuzzyCat> it's still very unreliable 
Aug 24 15:59:49 <FuzzyCat> sadly
Aug 24 15:59:56 <jadams> I just dialed using the dialer, and there was a BRIEF static on the monitor from the phone being too close
Aug 24 16:00:02 <jadams> (audible...you know the sound I'm sure)
Aug 24 16:00:10 <FuzzyCat> but changes happen all the time... new images get posted...
Aug 24 16:00:38 <FuzzyCat> deepy-dip-dip-deepy-dip-dip sound ?
Aug 24 16:01:38 <jadams> FuzzyCat, yeah, so I can dial from libgsmd-tool -m shell
Aug 24 16:01:42 <jadams> D<number>
Aug 24 16:01:54 <FuzzyCat> make sure you have a ; on the end
Aug 24 16:02:00 <jadams> it worked
Aug 24 16:02:03 <FuzzyCat> otherwise it tries to make a data call
Aug 24 16:02:05 <jadams> the dialer doesn't
Aug 24 16:02:48 <FuzzyCat> yes, the dialer and gsmd are attached via wet string...
Aug 24 16:04:18 <jadams> heh
Aug 24 16:04:29 <DukeOfURL> from at+cops? I get `+COPS: 0'.  I'm thinking I'm out of range.
Aug 24 16:04:31 <jadams> I'd expect the dialer to be pretty much an interface to do what I did in libgsmd-tool
Aug 24 16:05:03 <FuzzyCat> DukeOfURL, could be... 
Aug 24 16:05:22 <FuzzyCat> did th at+cfun=1 work?
Aug 24 16:05:42 <DukeOfURL> yes, got RSTR=`OK'
Aug 24 16:07:16 <FuzzyCat> ok..
Aug 24 16:07:25 <FuzzyCat> at+cops=?
Aug 24 16:07:37 * DukeOfURL wondering why I got three bars on the first boot but got no bars on the reboot...
Aug 24 16:08:11 <cjb_ie> phase of the moon bug bug?
Aug 24 16:08:20 <FuzzyCat> bug bug ?
Aug 24 16:08:25 <FuzzyCat> meep meep
Aug 24 16:09:13 <DukeOfURL> when I was in range and using 2007.1, the at+cops? returned entries for both Cingular and T-Mobile
Aug 24 16:09:34 <DukeOfURL> so I have to assume I don't have sufficient signal
Aug 24 16:11:56 <DukeOfURL> FuzzyCat: RSTR=`+COPS: 0'
Aug 24 16:18:23 <DukeOfURL> Hung the Neo in the window.  Got RSTR=`+COPS: 0,0,"T - Mobile"' registration.  
Aug 24 16:20:02 <DukeOfURL> have a call connected but no audio
Aug 24 16:22:51 * TimRiker gets an email that his neo shipped. woot
Aug 24 16:23:13 <jipi> fooo. finally got my bricked neo's serial out.
Aug 24 16:23:38 * hhf423 congratulates TimRiker
Aug 24 16:24:01 <hhf423> TimRiker: when did they bill you?
Aug 24 16:26:03 <jadams> TimRiker, awesome.  I got billed last week, shipped Friday, arrived yesterday
Aug 24 16:27:20 <SpeedEvil> jadams: ordered?
Aug 24 16:27:26 <jadams> like the first week
Aug 24 16:27:43 <jadams> I'd have been in the first shipment, but I was on vacation when it went on sale and my partner here didn't order the phone like I asked
Aug 24 16:27:53 <SpeedEvil> :/
Aug 24 16:28:03 <SpeedEvil> ?
Aug 24 16:28:06 <SpeedEvil> July 15thish then ordered?
Aug 24 16:29:33 <jadams> probably...I'm 'Josh Adams' on the wiki and I put the exact date there
Aug 24 16:30:11 <TimRiker> hhf423: billing was just a couple days ago.
Aug 24 16:30:13 <hhf423> hahahaha http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230164884672  from a guy with a mission, now off to college
Aug 24 16:30:37 <hhf423> TimRiker: from P1 Owners I got the imression that noone got billed about after August 15
Aug 24 16:30:52 * TimRiker checks the date...
Aug 24 16:32:48 <TimRiker> got the email re: billing on the 22nd.
Aug 24 16:32:49 <fray> I suspect about August 15th was when I was billed..  package arrived Monday of this week
Aug 24 16:34:22 <jadams> can someone with a working dialer tell me what image they're using?
Aug 24 16:34:45 <jadams> libgsmd-tool doesn't have a problem with dialing out, so I'm left assuming it's the dialer itself broken on this image
Aug 24 16:35:32 <hhf423> jadams: I am using the latest stuff e.g. 2007.2.08 image with ipkg updates. I would not call my dialer working, but also not broken. I have to ssh into the neo and stop X, restart gsmd and start X again and then it works mostly.
Aug 24 16:35:58 * hhf423 does the ipkg dance
Aug 24 16:37:13 <jadams> haven't used ipkg on it yet
Aug 24 16:37:29 <jadams> anyone using it as their primary phone yet?  :)
Aug 24 16:37:41 <cjb_ie> think one guy said he was
Aug 24 16:37:45 <jadams> I have the special situation of not wanting to talk to anyone on the phone at present, anyway  :)
Aug 24 16:37:55 <cjb_ie> but i'm not sure he actually likes being contactable
Aug 24 16:37:57 <jadams> since it's eaten my SIM and I don't want to take it out  :)
Aug 24 16:38:07 <guaqua> cjb_ie: that one guy isn't probably easily contactable :)
Aug 24 16:38:56 <hhf423> jadams: hahaha, wayy too unstable for that
Aug 24 16:39:27 <jadams> hhf423, I know  :)
Aug 24 16:47:10 <hhf423> oh, now there are two ways of cracking your iphone, one with soldering, one without. amazing. 
Aug 24 16:47:33 <FuzzyCat> well, 3 .. the other involves a house brick
Aug 24 16:47:39 * hhf423 wonders if gpe timesheet now works
Aug 24 16:47:49 * neclimdul is more keen on the brick method
Aug 24 16:48:13 <hhf423> awww, guys, come one, its a beautiful piece of hardware
Aug 24 16:48:17 <FuzzyCat> it needs a  sqlite db hhf423 
Aug 24 16:48:27 <neclimdul> !rules
Aug 24 16:48:52 <gcb77> we need a paint program in 2007.2
Aug 24 16:48:57 * hhf423 always admired apple hardware but somehow never brought anything yet (except a Newton!)
Aug 24 16:49:02 <FuzzyCat> mtpaint ?
Aug 24 16:49:24 <neclimdul> well then :) is this a good place to ask questions about building openmoko aps on the pc for testing?
Aug 24 16:49:31 <hhf423> huh, the boot up sound is gone?
Aug 24 16:49:57 <FuzzyCat> goo
Aug 24 16:50:23 <Tyrael> Hi all! The dialver is ok when I call another mobile phone number but if I call my house number it crashed. I need to put the international prefix (0039, I'm in Italy) before the number
Aug 24 16:51:24 <gcb77> FuzzyCat: does mtpaint work, or are you just suggesting it?
Aug 24 16:51:38 <FuzzyCat> i think it works.. gimmie 5 mins o build it
Aug 24 16:51:39 <FuzzyCat> :)
Aug 24 16:51:57 <FuzzyCat> Tyrael, i think it crashes on the 2nd call with the official image..
Aug 24 16:52:10 <FuzzyCat> s/crashes/always crashes/
Aug 24 16:52:11 <apt> FuzzyCat meant: Tyrael, i think it always crashes on the 2nd call with the official image..
Aug 24 16:52:40 <neclimdul> the MokoMake file seems to be pulling in gcc 4.1.2 and then trying to compile qemu.
Aug 24 16:52:50 <FuzzyCat> btw bitbake sucks
Aug 24 16:53:06 <neclimdul> which was the reason I tried mokomake because gcc 4.2 wont compile qemu :-/
Aug 24 16:53:12 <FuzzyCat> stupid POS invalidates it's own cache ...
Aug 24 16:53:18 <neclimdul> haha
Aug 24 16:53:18 <hhf423> awww, an other day and gsmd still sucks
Aug 24 16:53:19 <jadams> all I know is, exporting X to my phone feels soooo good
Aug 24 16:54:37 <neclimdul> well i'll take that to mean there isn't much help to be had here :-/
Aug 24 16:54:38 <FuzzyCat> hhf423, another new image soom with all the fixes that they added in the last day or so
Aug 24 16:54:51 <FuzzyCat> neclimdul, there's lots..
Aug 24 16:55:03 <FuzzyCat> you just have to be patient...
Aug 24 16:55:08 <neclimdul> right on
Aug 24 16:55:10 <FuzzyCat> I never build qemu.. 
Aug 24 16:55:15 <FuzzyCat> so can;t help...
Aug 24 16:55:15 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: for when do you expect that?
Aug 24 16:55:34 <FuzzyCat> 10-15 mins
Aug 24 16:55:43 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: I _am_ patient. You should see me if I am impatient :-)
Aug 24 16:56:17 <FuzzyCat> I ran out of disk space 3 times today :/
Aug 24 16:56:46 <FuzzyCat> every time I build an image I end up with less pr0n
Aug 24 16:57:46 <neclimdul> actually... it might be my fault in a way.  may need to get a gcc 3.x on my system.  don't think its using its installed compiler.
Aug 24 16:57:52 <doc|work> there's dedication, a man willing to dump his pr0n
Aug 24 16:58:18 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: its probably hard to let go, eh?
Aug 24 16:58:25 <SpeedEvil> There needs to be a sharing service. Upload yours to someone that's just compiled, then delete.
Aug 24 16:58:34 <doc|work> hahaa
Aug 24 16:58:39 * doc|work volunteers!
Aug 24 16:58:47 <doc|work> *ahem*
Aug 24 16:59:12 <FuzzyCat> why do you think the neo has a lanyard - Hands free!
Aug 24 16:59:14 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: don't you just overwirte the older images?
Aug 24 16:59:21 <doc|work> FuzzyCat: o.O
Aug 24 16:59:58 <FuzzyCat> yes, but the devs tend to do stuff to suck up all available disk space.. I think they send it to another dimension
Aug 24 17:00:28 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: ah, probably
Aug 24 17:00:47 <neclimdul> just move your pron to another memory stick for a couple hours :p
Aug 24 17:01:10 <FuzzyCat> they don't make memory sticks that big
Aug 24 17:01:16 <neclimdul> hahaha
Aug 24 17:03:11 <FuzzyCat> gcb77, mtpaint is up
Aug 24 17:03:18 <FuzzyCat> hhf423, new image is up
Aug 24 17:03:27 <FuzzyCat> oh wait
Aug 24 17:03:34 <FuzzyCat> nearly up for the image hh
Aug 24 17:03:36 <FuzzyCat> nearly up for the image hhf423 
Aug 24 17:03:43 <FuzzyCat> 2 mins
Aug 24 17:04:02 * hhf423 does the count down dance
Aug 24 17:05:08 <jadams> I've got usb networking to/from the phone working, but no ip forwarding
Aug 24 17:06:00 <gcb77> FuzzyCat: where do I find it?
Aug 24 17:06:26 <FuzzyCat> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/
Aug 24 17:06:32 <hhf423> jadams: you have to setup the forwarding on your pc, how to do that for linux is also on the usb networking wiki page
Aug 24 17:07:06 <doc|work> am I the only person who thinks iphone unlocking is dumb, given that you still have to give at & t (bastards) money on your contract?
Aug 24 17:07:19 <jadams> hhf423, I added the stuff to /etc/network/interfaces, but nothing
Aug 24 17:07:32 <jadams> do I need to restart some system after the change to that file?
Aug 24 17:07:48 <FuzzyCat> done hhf423 
Aug 24 17:08:02 <hhf423> jadams: execute the commands manually, then you do not have to restart anything
Aug 24 17:08:16 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: thanks, downloading now
Aug 24 17:08:57 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: can I update via ipkg or do I have to flsh?
Aug 24 17:09:13 <FuzzyCat> yes, update your packages too
Aug 24 17:09:27 <FuzzyCat> oh.. erm 
Aug 24 17:09:34 <FuzzyCat> dunno if you can, you can try
Aug 24 17:09:36 <FuzzyCat> :)
Aug 24 17:09:43 <jadams> hrm, ran the commands, seemingly nothing in the way of ip forwardign
Aug 24 17:09:44 <FuzzyCat> ipkg update first
Aug 24 17:09:59 <jadams> this is all so I can run ipkg update btw  :)
Aug 24 17:10:02 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: nah, that will not work, will it? my ipkg will go to openmoko, no?
Aug 24 17:10:18 <FuzzyCat> you have my conf added
Aug 24 17:10:20 <FuzzyCat> ?
Aug 24 17:10:28 <hhf423> jadams: did you put a resolv.conf in your /etc on the neo?
Aug 24 17:10:36 <jadams> nope
Aug 24 17:10:36 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: yes I have
Aug 24 17:10:55 <FuzzyCat> so ipkg update... :)
Aug 24 17:11:03 <hhf423> ok
Aug 24 17:11:35 <hhf423> jadams: you need to put a resolv.conf in /etc on the neo with a line "nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
Aug 24 17:11:54 <jadams> hhf423, thanks, got it now
Aug 24 17:12:33 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Dcorking]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bucharest]] [[P1_Owners]]
Aug 24 17:13:21 <jadams> how about restarting the tray?  it crashed when I messed with gsm
Aug 24 17:14:23 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back.
Aug 24 17:16:48 <hhf423> jadams: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
Aug 24 17:17:01 <hhf423> reboot
Aug 24 17:19:11 <FuzzyCat> hhf423, you can install mysql too if you like ;)
Aug 24 17:19:30 <hhf423> ipkg install mysql?
Aug 24 17:20:54 <hhf423> hahaha
Aug 24 17:21:06 <hhf423> Downloading http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/mysql_4.1.18-r2_armv4t.ipk
Aug 24 17:21:16 <FuzzyCat> lol
Aug 24 17:21:19 <gcb77> FuzzyCat: mtpaint works... thank you
Aug 24 17:21:24 <FuzzyCat> np
Aug 24 17:21:32 <hhf423> everybody should have a SQL BD on his phone
Aug 24 17:22:55 <ixs> hhf423: well, with mysql on your phone, you won't see any pesky limits on the number of contacts anymore. And believe me, finding addresses will be faaaaaaaaaast...
Aug 24 17:23:26 <hhf423> bizarre
Aug 24 17:23:41 <ckuethe> sqlite, maybe?
Aug 24 17:23:49 <FuzzyCat> you can have that too
Aug 24 17:24:10 <FuzzyCat> it's in the packages ^^
Aug 24 17:24:20 <ckuethe> i'm unconvinced that mysql is the right solution for an embedded database in a phone
Aug 24 17:24:21 <hhf423> now I just need to load some stuff into the mysql on the phone and then I can show my customer how I extract trend graphs out of intrusion data on my phone
Aug 24 17:24:36 <FuzzyCat> lol
Aug 24 17:24:47 <ckuethe> oh, a snort plugin to detect telemarketers?
Aug 24 17:25:09 <hhf423> rotfl
Aug 24 17:26:04 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: do you have a list with the packages you have there?
Aug 24 17:27:31 <nbd> i think i'll make a sound file of my own voice saying things like 'ah ... yeah ... interesting ... tell me more' and make a 'telemarketer' button that plays it back to the caller ;)
Aug 24 17:27:43 <hhf423> ah, doh, I just do a ipkg list of course
Aug 24 17:27:51 <nbd> so i have a semi-automatic way of wasting their time
Aug 24 17:28:06 <ScaredyCat> hhf423: http://pastebin.ca/669402
Aug 24 17:28:08 <hhf423> outch, which gives several screens of package
Aug 24 17:28:20 <doc|work> nbd: depends on where you are, in north america they charge you for receiving phone calls, so can you add a "fuck off and die" version?
Aug 24 17:29:14 <nbd> doc|work: they don't do that here
Aug 24 17:29:19 <nbd> (germany)
Aug 24 17:29:42 <doc|work> :)
Aug 24 17:30:36 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: thats a huge amout of software
Aug 24 17:30:48 <hhf423> ah, mc!
Aug 24 17:30:48 <FuzzyCat> yes, it wont all fit ;)
Aug 24 17:30:57 <nbd> sometimes 'hold the line' music can also waste their time quite efficiently
Aug 24 17:31:09 <nbd> i managed to keep a telemarketer waiting for >20 minutes once
Aug 24 17:31:38 <FuzzyCat> ok, must go ..bbl
Aug 24 17:31:47 <hhf423> so can I already play moviez?
Aug 24 17:32:10 <hhf423> awww, kismet?!
Aug 24 17:32:19 <FuzzyCat> btw just added ntp
Aug 24 17:32:34 <hhf423> brilliant, ntp is what I need
Aug 24 17:32:58 <hhf423> oh, can not find "mc"?
Aug 24 17:33:29 <FuzzyCat> ... bbl
Aug 24 17:33:51 <hhf423> FuzzyCat: later
Aug 24 17:48:29 <hhf423> hmm, how do I make ntp set the clock? should it not do that when I start it?
Aug 24 17:51:06 <hhf423> muahaha, gpe-timesheet now works with mysql installed
Aug 24 17:54:44 <hhf423> but the phone is making no calls whatsoever
Aug 24 17:54:56 * hhf423 will give beer to whoever fixes gsmd
Aug 24 17:55:27 * DPThough1 adds a bucket Rothaus Pils
Aug 24 17:56:51 <DPThough1> If that does not suffice...
Aug 24 17:57:47 <hhf423> oooh, who has this midori thing? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e079b09c131a564c63d3c8594004f0bd.png
Aug 24 18:11:30 <LetoTo> http://www.gta-wireless.com/product_info.php/products_id/301?osCsid=be24c4301c6c72e17caa5257cb4474f8
Aug 24 18:11:48 <LetoTo> interesting. I wonder how they can cash in the money AND not get beaten up....
Aug 24 18:12:09 <LetoTo> a 5 minute full screen MPG? :)
Aug 24 18:12:16 <hhf423> huh
Aug 24 18:12:37 <hhf423> you can have apple iphone software on a motorola phone?
Aug 24 18:13:00 <guerby> binary for dfu-util is here right: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.1/tmp/deploy/images/
Aug 24 18:13:21 <LetoTo> hhf423: no. that's why i am curious how they can get away with it :)
Aug 24 18:13:27 <LetoTo> since it is an "in store" upgrade
Aug 24 18:13:48 <hhf423> LetoTo: but thats what they say: you can have iphone instead of linux...
Aug 24 18:14:11 <LetoTo> yes, that's what they say :)
Aug 24 18:14:30 <LetoTo> I guess they're hoping on people paying online. and then writing off the $35 when the "store address" turns out to be a fake
Aug 24 18:14:50 <hhf423> anyway. since there are now two ways to unlock the iphone, that is probably obsolete now
Aug 24 18:25:54 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 750 has been created by jseghers(AT)cequint.com
Aug 24 18:25:55 <cdbot2> * * Stale patch on QEMU configure
Aug 24 18:25:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=750
Aug 24 18:25:59 <zaery> did anyone fix the problem with the sound quality during calls?
Aug 24 18:32:21 <hhf423> zaery: which specific problem?
Aug 24 18:33:05 <jseghers> I'm getting a failure building gsmd.  http://pastebin.com/d1f573b25
Aug 24 18:33:40 <zaery> hhf: when i call my other phone, i cant hear anything on either end
Aug 24 18:34:21 <zaery> but on my neo, i cant even hear it ring
Aug 24 18:35:43 <hhf423> zaery: ah, the issue with the sound profiles not being changed correctly
Aug 24 18:36:17 <hhf423> zaery: with the build form yesterday, that worked for me in 3 out of 5 times
Aug 24 18:36:19 <zaery> oh, i had no idea it had anything to do with the profiles
Aug 24 18:42:33 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3
Aug 24 18:46:33 <zaery> hmmm, i tried updating openmoko, but i ger error 1
Aug 24 18:47:59 <jseghers> zaery: you need to give a bit more context.  error 1 (at the end of the script) just means, basically, "build failed"
Aug 24 18:48:01 <Ghiottone> hello
Aug 24 18:49:18 <zaery> i tried "make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image" and i got "make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1" at the end
Aug 24 18:50:05 <jseghers> zaery: just above the Error 1 there will be a bit of explanation about what it was doing, what the error actually was.
Aug 24 18:51:06 <zaery> i think it failed to build qemu-native... i got "ERROR: '/home/zaery/moko/openembedded/packages/qemu/qemu-native_20070613.bb' failed"
Aug 24 18:51:32 <jseghers> yep.. I got that earlier too.
Aug 24 18:51:46 <zaery> did you get it to work?
Aug 24 18:51:55 <jseghers> zaery: Are you on the openmoko-devel list?
Aug 24 18:52:01 <zaery> no
Aug 24 18:52:05 <jseghers> I posted a workaround...
Aug 24 18:52:16 <jseghers> zaery: hold on..I'll get you a link.
Aug 24 18:56:48 <jseghers> zaery: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-August/001358.html
Aug 24 19:00:06 <Ghiottone> I have found that 64MB are way too little for a root partition
Aug 24 19:00:28 <Ghiottone> I think that there is a way to install packages on the media card. Any one did it?
Aug 24 19:00:49 <Muuh> http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9139
Aug 24 19:01:31 <Muuh> http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9139
Aug 24 19:01:43 <Aria> Muuh. Stop spamming.
Aug 24 19:02:24 <hhf423> whats the biggest available flash card anyway? 1g 4g?
Aug 24 19:02:48 <Aria> 8g was announced recently.
Aug 24 19:03:20 <hhf423> ah, but probably not to buy yet
Aug 24 19:09:03 * DPThough1 drops dead into weekend after ours painfull pluto-crap debugging.
Aug 24 19:09:05 <DPThough1> bye
Aug 24 19:10:17 <jseghers> for gsmd build error, I found the patch had already been applied in the source, so I removed the line from my .bb file that referenced the patch in SRC_URI.  It built... I don't know yet whether it actually works :)
Aug 24 19:13:12 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Senikk]] [[User:Javiroman]] [[Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] [[User:Mgoff]] [[Dfu-util]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[Minimo]] [[USB_Networking]]
Aug 24 19:13:55 <jadams> FuzzyCat, what should I do to use your ipkgs?
Aug 24 19:18:39 <hhf423> jadams: see here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hhf423
Aug 24 19:18:41 <guerby> hi, any way from the cmd line to get a battery level?
Aug 24 19:19:06 <gcb77> I've been running: cat /proc/apm
Aug 24 19:19:29 <guerby> gcb77, thx
Aug 24 19:21:08 <jadams> hhf423, thanks
Aug 24 19:22:25 <hhf423> jadams: I'll put that into the repository wiki page
Aug 24 19:22:28 <thomasg_> does somebody have a working OE revision number (from today) for me?
Aug 24 19:27:56 <hhf423> does someone know how to do this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e87cec120eb347ef09342d3d5987d4e8.png  ?
Aug 24 19:28:14 <jadams> hhf423, thanks, this is great
Aug 24 19:28:33 <hhf423> jadams: np
Aug 24 19:28:34 <jadams> hhf423, do you have webkit on yours?
Aug 24 19:28:44 <thomasg_> hhf423, this is the browser: http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=midori
Aug 24 19:28:47 <hhf423> jadams: no, whats that?
Aug 24 19:29:17 <thomasg_> GdkWebkit is the renderingengine the browser uses
Aug 24 19:29:23 <woglinde> zecke
Aug 24 19:29:48 <hhf423> hmm, I wonder who has build midori
Aug 24 19:32:07 <jadams> all I know is I have mysql in my pocket now, muahaha
Aug 24 19:32:26 <hhf423> :-)
Aug 24 19:32:33 <jadams> oh effin' A, I see ruby in the list of packages here  :)
Aug 24 19:32:36 <hhf423> first phone with a real database
Aug 24 19:32:54 <guaqua> when someone is running oracle, i'm impressed
Aug 24 19:32:54 <Dogg> http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9128
Aug 24 19:33:54 <doc|work> that's referrer spam, don't click it
Aug 24 19:34:04 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2830 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: (log message trimmed)
Aug 24 19:34:04 <CIA-20> openmoko: make u-boot actaully work on the first GTA02v2 samples:
Aug 24 19:34:04 <CIA-20> openmoko: * memory is x32, has 9-bit column addresses and a 64/64 bank6/7 split
Aug 24 19:34:04 <CIA-20> openmoko: * cpu powers up with low voltage, so don't go to 304MHz PLL before
Aug 24 19:34:04 <CIA-20> openmoko:  reconfiguring core power
Aug 24 19:34:06 <CIA-20> openmoko: * disable all internal pull-down resistors
Aug 24 19:34:10 <CIA-20> openmoko: * switch vibrator and LED into output mode, since PWM is not active
Aug 24 19:39:13 <jadams> hhf423, I've ipkg installed mtpaint, gpe's file manager, etc...they aren't in the app list.  Any hints?
Aug 24 19:40:17 <Ghiottone> jadams, try restarting
Aug 24 19:40:33 <Ghiottone> restarting X should be enough
Aug 24 19:40:43 <woglinde> jadams start it from console
Aug 24 19:41:12 <Ghiottone> jadams, how did you manage not to fill up the space in root fs?
Aug 24 19:42:56 <defer> oracle on the neo? right..
Aug 24 19:43:16 <woglinde> hm with a 4 gig mini sdcard
Aug 24 19:43:19 <woglinde> why not
Aug 24 19:43:30 <woglinde> if there is an oracle arm-linux executbale
Aug 24 19:43:49 <gcb77> lol, I don't know how you'll meet the 2GB ram minimum requirement
Aug 24 19:44:10 <woglinde> gcb77 2 gig now?
Aug 24 19:44:14 <woglinde> cant believe it
Aug 24 19:44:38 <ScaredyCat> hhf423: just uploading midori...
Aug 24 19:44:52 <ScaredyCat> will take a while.. slow connection here.
Aug 24 19:45:25 <gcb77> woglinde: I'm exagerating a little, but I don't think I'm very far off
Aug 24 19:46:48 <jadams> ** (openmoko-dialer:1690): CRITICAL **: moko_gsmd_connection_network_register: assertion `priv->handle' failed
Aug 24 19:46:48 <jadams> Requesting registration
Aug 24 19:47:00 <jadams> anyone seen that?  again, it works from libgsmd
Aug 24 19:47:01 <defer> its like 512 ram, ~4 gb disk space
Aug 24 19:47:03 <jadams> err, libgsmd-tool
Aug 24 19:47:30 <woglinde> defer I am sure you cant run it with lower space if you dont choose all options at installaing
Aug 24 19:47:35 <ScaredyCat> hhf423: done!!!
Aug 24 19:49:17 <thomasg_> does somebody have a working OE revision number (from today) for me?
Aug 24 19:49:40 <woglinde> thomasg reapeatin is annoying
Aug 24 19:50:20 <thomasg_> no answer, 30 minutes gone, 10 new people joined, 10 80x25-terminal sites gone :)
Aug 24 19:55:49 <jadams> there are logs of this chan somewhere?
Aug 24 19:56:35 <ScaredyCat> http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/
Aug 24 20:07:32 <jadams> ScaredyCat, thanks
Aug 24 20:07:51 <jadams> if I've successfully used pppd, would I see a new interface in ifconfig?
Aug 24 20:11:04 <woglinde> jadams yes pppx
Aug 24 20:11:09 <woglinde> where x is a number
Aug 24 20:11:35 <jadams> woglinde, alright, then I don't quiet have gprs working yet
Aug 24 20:11:40 <jadams> but GSM's rocking from the dialer now
Aug 24 20:11:42 <jadams> which makes me happy
Aug 24 20:11:50 <woglinde> ah
Aug 24 20:11:51 <woglinde> nice
Aug 24 20:13:33 <aloril> (script) planet: Jon Phillips: RE: OpenMoko New Interface Artwork under CC BY-SA 3.0 License http://rejon.org/2007/08/24/re-openmoko-new-interface-artwork-under-cc-by-sa-30-license/
Aug 24 20:14:20 <Ghiottone> is there a command like deborphan for ipkg?
Aug 24 20:14:33 <woglinde> no
Aug 24 20:16:19 <ScaredyCat> what does that do?
Aug 24 20:16:31 <ScaredyCat> remove orphaned packages?
Aug 24 20:16:37 <woglinde> yes
Aug 24 20:16:40 <ScaredyCat> k
Aug 24 20:16:40 <woglinde> or shows you
Aug 24 20:16:48 <woglinde> dont remeber exactly
Aug 24 20:17:30 <Ghiottone> it shows you packages that you can remove without changing dependency graph
Aug 24 20:17:46 <Ghiottone> that is packags that other packages don't depend on
Aug 24 20:18:05 <Aria> How does it tell orphans from needed edge nodes?
Aug 24 20:18:29 <Ghiottone> useful when you install package A that depends on libB and libC and after some time you want to remove it.
Aug 24 20:18:57 <Ghiottone> you can apt-get remove A but libB and libC will remain
Aug 24 20:19:09 <pH5> Aria: policy. by default only library packages are considered. and you can go though packages and be asked one by one, and it will store the decision.
Aug 24 20:19:16 <doc|work> are there screenshots of the new theme?
Aug 24 20:20:09 <ExxonValdeez> hello, i just got openmoko running in qemu but its not responding to mouse input
Aug 24 20:21:13 <ScaredyCat> doc|work:  http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1
Aug 24 20:21:18 <jadams> when using gprs I get an lcp terminated by peer: http://pastie.caboo.se/90743
Aug 24 20:21:36 <doc|work> ScaredyCat: thanks
Aug 24 20:21:50 <ExxonValdeez> any suggestions?
Aug 24 20:21:57 <Aria> pH5: Sounds like Debian. That works.
Aug 24 20:22:57 <pH5> Aria: oh, strike the last part. I think the asking thing was debfoster.
Aug 24 20:23:08 <ExxonValdeez> oh, nevermind, its just going fairly slow
Aug 24 20:24:18 <shadoknight> hi all
Aug 24 20:25:26 <jadams> anyone got gprs working with t-mobile?
Aug 24 20:26:05 <shadoknight> can anyone build as of now?  Since yesterday afternoon I've been failing on uicmoc-4
Aug 24 20:26:20 <shadoknight> er uicmoc4-native, I guess
Aug 24 20:26:42 <shadoknight> complaining about problems in QT
Aug 24 20:28:47 <mranostay_work> failing on gconf here
Aug 24 20:29:24 <shadoknight> oye
Aug 24 20:29:28 <shadoknight> failures, lots.
Aug 24 20:30:30 <shadoknight> :)
Aug 24 20:30:50 <ExxonValdeez> so, has anyone else tried running openomoko in qemu?
Aug 24 20:32:40 <dpavlin> ExxonValdeez: with OM2007.2 taps don't work for me in qemu, but OM2007.1 was fine...
Aug 24 20:32:59 <guaqua> same here
Aug 24 20:33:01 <dpavlin> how to generate DTMS tones for navigation menus in moko-dialer?
Aug 24 20:34:17 <dpavlin> as a side note, I got my device after 4 weeks and I'm quite amazed how functional OM2007.2 is (no pun, really -- I tested OM2007.1 in emulator ;-)
Aug 24 20:34:36 <guaqua> how responsive is it, dpavlin?
Aug 24 20:35:14 <vivo> enough to desire a ncurses gui
Aug 24 20:35:20 <dpavlin> good enough. Slower than ~1997 palm devices, but as fast as CE devices I saw (never had one)
Aug 24 20:35:29 <ExxonValdeez> yeah, tapping is not really working
Aug 24 20:35:31 * hhf423 does ipkg update
Aug 24 20:36:06 <dpavlin> as a comparison it's usably fast as opposed to Zaurus 5600 which was just too slow...
Aug 24 20:36:14 * hhf423 does ipkg install midori
Aug 24 20:36:26 <ExxonValdeez> hm
Aug 24 20:36:37 <ExxonValdeez> maybe i could download a later version
Aug 24 20:36:44 <dpavlin> ExxonValdeez: do you get sound?
Aug 24 20:37:06 <ExxonValdeez> yeah, sound is fine
Aug 24 20:37:19 <jadams> hrm
Aug 24 20:37:20 <dpavlin> ok, so same problem :-)
Aug 24 20:37:54 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: thanks!
Aug 24 20:38:06 <jadams> gprs is working with the wap.voicestream.com server on t-mobile, it's just ignoring me on internet2...heard that you needed to connect to wap., then do a battery pull so it'd resend its service books, then it'd be fine for internet2.  about to test that, so should have good info for t-mobile (us) customers soon enough
Aug 24 20:38:06 <ExxonValdeez> dpavlin: sound is working for you to?
Aug 24 20:38:20 <ScaredyCat> I haven't tested it though hhf423
Aug 24 20:38:47 <dpavlin> ExxonValdeez: yap, but taps are not recognized. I *would* guess that single point on screen isn't recognized as press any more...
Aug 24 20:39:29 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: hmm, it does not show up in the application list afetr install & reboot
Aug 24 20:39:47 <ScaredyCat> mmmmm...
Aug 24 20:40:03 <ScaredyCat> try from shell
Aug 24 20:40:11 <ScaredyCat> just to see if it worked
Aug 24 20:40:27 <jadams> hhf423, is that the same ipkg repository as on your user page?
Aug 24 20:40:32 <vivo> hhf423: did an ipkg update && install but no midori, how do you get it ?
Aug 24 20:41:18 <shadoknight> anyone else have broken uicmoc4-native as of yesterday mid-afternoon?
Aug 24 20:41:22 <vivo> ExxonValdeez:  in qemu I do get tap slow and in a wong position
Aug 24 20:41:30 <hhf423> vivo: see in wiki the repository page and the note how to use the ScaredyCat ipkg source
Aug 24 20:41:44 <vivo> hhf423: tnx
Aug 24 20:41:46 <ExxonValdeez> vivo: that seems to be happening with me
Aug 24 20:41:46 <hhf423> jadams: thats the ScaredyCat source, yes
Aug 24 20:41:58 <ExxonValdeez> but only the dialer actually worked
Aug 24 20:42:10 <ExxonValdeez> it might have to do with compiz, but i doubt it
Aug 24 20:42:47 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: ah, it works if I start it from Neo terminal
Aug 24 20:43:03 <ScaredyCat> ok so we could make a .desktop file
Aug 24 20:43:50 * mranostay_work pulls out hair
Aug 24 20:44:08 <jadams> argh, gsm won't connect since a reboot...curious
Aug 24 20:44:10 <roh> wtf... copy and paste is working?
Aug 24 20:44:46 <roh> i just copied a marked string via strg-c strg-v on the matchbox keyboard...   i am so shure that never was tested before
Aug 24 20:45:31 <vivo> lol , ScaredyCat do you have mysql for real
Aug 24 20:45:36 <vivo> great 
Aug 24 20:45:45 <ScaredyCat> I do...  :)
Aug 24 20:46:02 <vivo> which version is? I'll do replication :)
Aug 24 20:46:13 <ScaredyCat> roflmao
Aug 24 20:46:34 <ScaredyCat> 4.1.1 iirc
Aug 24 20:46:56 <vivo> yeah good choiche
Aug 24 20:47:23 <ScaredyCat> 4.1.18
Aug 24 20:48:09 <ExxonValdeez> hm, i will try using the mokomakefile
Aug 24 20:48:19 <ExxonValdeez> i doubt that will help, but it might
Aug 24 20:52:35 <ExxonValdeez> ah, i am figured out how to load the OM-2007.1
Aug 24 20:53:44 <hhf423> amazing
Aug 24 20:53:53 * hhf423 uploads a screenshot
Aug 24 20:54:02 <ExxonValdeez> ?
Aug 24 20:54:53 <jadams> hhf423, on google maps?  :)
Aug 24 20:55:32 <hhf423> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1
Aug 24 20:55:35 <jadams> I have to get gprs working before I go home, so I can google map on the run  :)
Aug 24 20:55:48 <juri_> when my openmoko returns, i'll be turning it into a debian box. :P
Aug 24 20:56:34 <hhf423> juri_: returns?
Aug 24 20:56:52 <ExxonValdeez> did it break?
Aug 24 20:57:03 <juri_> no, it got mis-shipped. to germany.
Aug 24 20:57:07 <neclimdul> FuzzyCat: gah, you where right about bitbake.  why does it invalidate like that?
Aug 24 20:57:47 <juri_> i've run into another openmoko user locally, he's also interested in debian on his openmoko.
Aug 24 20:58:33 <mjr> ...
Aug 24 20:58:35 <jadams> seriously guys, this is bringing tears to my eyes
Aug 24 20:58:38 <jadams> I needs ruby now
Aug 24 20:58:57 <ExxonValdeez> juri: full on gnome?
Aug 24 20:58:58 <mjr> debian on neo
Aug 24 20:59:11 <jadams> if I have ruby, I will build so much crap for the phone  :)
Aug 24 20:59:32 <guaqua> running debian on the neo is like putting hummer transmission and tires to a mini
Aug 24 20:59:40 <hhf423> jadams: if you say please to ScaredyCat, he might build it for you
Aug 24 21:00:21 * mmazur wants qemu and windows vista
Aug 24 21:00:38 <jadams> ScaredyCat, if you're looking for a package to build for the phone and find yourself at a loss, might I request ruby?  :)
Aug 24 21:00:57 <hhf423> mmazur: vista? ah, if you like openmoko, you will also like vista. both very beta
Aug 24 21:01:04 <mmazur> :)
Aug 24 21:01:05 <ScaredyCat> . you can request it ;)
Aug 24 21:01:37 <juri_> exxon: probably not. i'm going to set something up to emulate the lcars on my nokia 770.
Aug 24 21:01:46 * hhf423 can see people queuing up next to ScaredyCat
Aug 24 21:02:00 <hhf423> the lolcars?
Aug 24 21:02:09 <jadams> yeah, that'd be a scary proposition
Aug 24 21:02:14 * SpeedEvil suggests FireFox (1.5)
Aug 24 21:02:46 <ScaredyCat> juri_: there's a 'skin' already
Aug 24 21:03:08 <hhf423> hmm, I can not get google maps in midori to display a screen filling map
Aug 24 21:03:40 <jadams> hhf423, click the 'left' arrow between the two panes
Aug 24 21:03:42 <juri_> scaredycat: oh good, i wont have that much work to do then.
Aug 24 21:03:56 <ScaredyCat> juri_: there's none  :)
Aug 24 21:04:01 <ScaredyCat> work that is
Aug 24 21:04:11 <juri_> still, i'm going full on debian as the base. will put together a large build daemin, and debian package the openmoko stuffs.
Aug 24 21:04:54 <ScaredyCat> http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD
Aug 24 21:04:58 <juri_> aparently, debian arm stuffs dosent run on that version of arm, so rebuild-world it is! :)
Aug 24 21:05:12 <neclimdul> i don't understand the point of a full on debian...
Aug 24 21:05:31 <neclimdul> maybe you should put gentoo on it
Aug 24 21:05:52 <juri_> i use debian. thats all there is to it. :)
Aug 24 21:07:03 <woglinde> juri why you want full debs?
Aug 24 21:08:00 <juri_> just for compatibility's sake. i don't want to have to re-package everything in ipkg debs, and i want all the apps debian has to offer. a build daemon makes life easy.
Aug 24 21:09:05 <neclimdul> seems like your life would be easier at that point using gentoo and a bindist and setting up a box to cross compile but to each his own
Aug 24 21:13:53 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Techiem2]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Chicago]] [[User_talk:Techiem2]] [[Wish_List]] [[Repositories]]
Aug 24 21:13:57 <jadams> argh, can't get gsm working again
Aug 24 21:14:27 <minnam> Why Python on Openmoko why not just use C?
Aug 24 21:15:02 <hads> Because people want to?
Aug 24 21:15:08 <woglinde> you can use c too
Aug 24 21:15:13 <woglinde> if you want
Aug 24 21:17:05 <minnam> Isn't it Python is slow as its any other interpreted language.
Aug 24 21:17:24 <woglinde> minnam slow for what?
Aug 24 21:17:25 <hads> Why not just use assembler?
Aug 24 21:17:30 <neclimdul> haha
Aug 24 21:17:44 <mranostay_work> because i want a social life would be one answer :)
Aug 24 21:18:00 <woglinde> minnam at which point you are upset of python in openmoko?
Aug 24 21:18:00 <vivo> minnam: developing in python is faster, then you convrt in c 
Aug 24 21:18:01 <minnam> yep thats the best.
Aug 24 21:18:08 <neclimdul> isn't the openmoko using psyco for one thing?
Aug 24 21:18:18 <ScaredyCat> no, you'd still have no social life, just there'd be other people in the room :P
Aug 24 21:18:24 <mjr> psyco is x86-only
Aug 24 21:18:35 <vivo> bitbaker use it
Aug 24 21:18:39 <mjr> but really, python is fine for most stuff
Aug 24 21:18:42 <minnam> There are not many experts as in C.
Aug 24 21:18:44 <neclimdul> ah that's where i say it
Aug 24 21:19:10 <vivo> minnam: belive me if you can program c you can program py too
Aug 24 21:19:21 <mranostay_work> mjr: hey those are my initials :)
Aug 24 21:19:31 <hads> This conversation is kind of pointless, if you don't want to use Python don't install or use it. If you do do.
Aug 24 21:19:31 <SpeedEvil> We need absolute fastest code, for power reduction.
Aug 24 21:19:36 <SpeedEvil> As much as possible.
Aug 24 21:19:47 <minnam> vivo: I agree that python is good in parsing etc. etc..
Aug 24 21:20:03 <]pablo[> any spanish users have managed to successfully make phone calls with openmoko yet?
Aug 24 21:20:06 <minnam> I agree with SpeedDevil.)
Aug 24 21:20:15 <]pablo[> i can make calls, but the audio isn't working for some reason
Aug 24 21:20:46 <minnam> Ask mBuf he might know.
Aug 24 21:21:24 <neclimdul> C isn't going to make sense for a lot of applet style stuff though.  any python has good gtk support so it seems to make sense to me.
Aug 24 21:21:27 <vivo> yay there is `uptime` too :)
Aug 24 21:21:33 <minnam> I don't have a openMoko phone yet. But just curious if Openmoko has any plans to put flash engine?
Aug 24 21:21:46 <SpeedEvil> It's not simple.
Aug 24 21:21:53 <SpeedEvil> There is no flash native for ARM.
Aug 24 21:22:06 <SpeedEvil> So it's got to be a clone.
Aug 24 21:22:12 <SpeedEvil> There are plausible projects.
Aug 24 21:22:18 <SpeedEvil> but not yet.
Aug 24 21:22:25 <minnam> could u provide a pointer?
Aug 24 21:22:31 <SpeedEvil> no.
Aug 24 21:22:42 <SpeedEvil> I haven't used it, and can't quite remember the name
Aug 24 21:22:42 * hhf423 believes that real software is written in Fortran anyway
Aug 24 21:22:42 <hads> open source flash would probably be a good search term.
Aug 24 21:22:51 <minnam> Is flash a proprietory?
Aug 24 21:22:52 <ckuethe> gnash
Aug 24 21:22:54 <Aria> swfdec, gnash
Aug 24 21:23:02 <guaqua> flash is very proprietary
Aug 24 21:23:04 * hhf423 humms "God is REAL unless declared INTEGER"
Aug 24 21:23:05 <woglinde> minnam from adobe, yes
Aug 24 21:23:06 <Aria> Yes, flash is proprietary to Adobe (ex macromedia)
Aug 24 21:23:09 <neclimdul> yeah, gnash.  but gnash doesn't work very well so watch out
Aug 24 21:23:18 <Aria> Though they're not actively anti-open-implementations, they make no effort to help really.)
Aug 24 21:23:30 <ScaredyCat> jadams
Aug 24 21:23:33 <ScaredyCat> done
Aug 24 21:23:48 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: done with phyton?
Aug 24 21:24:07 <ScaredyCat> ruby, python is already there
Aug 24 21:24:08 <minnam> Any pointers to Python Gtk?
Aug 24 21:24:22 <hads> Google: pygtk
Aug 24 21:24:23 <hhf423> yes, what I ment
Aug 24 21:24:24 * neclimdul watches gnash for a 64bit flash
Aug 24 21:24:36 * hhf423 wants REXX for the Neo
Aug 24 21:24:54 * SpeedEvil wants FF.
Aug 24 21:25:03 <minnam> Got it http://www.pygtk.org/
Aug 24 21:25:06 * ScaredyCat wants cheese
Aug 24 21:25:07 * guaqua wants a neo
Aug 24 21:25:47 <minnam> I'm familiar with GTK+. I guess pygtk makes rapid development??
Aug 24 21:25:59 <minnam> Gnash??
Aug 24 21:26:03 * jadams love ScaredyCat long time
Aug 24 21:26:11 <hads> It's GTK development in Python, kind of obvious really.
Aug 24 21:26:14 <mjr> pygtk is nice, in my opinion, and is timely updated with gtk development
Aug 24 21:26:17 <Ghiottone> jadams, I just compiled this out of the openembedded tree (I did not even try it) http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ruby_1.8.5-r1_armv4t.ipk
Aug 24 21:26:18 <neclimdul> gnash = gnu flash
Aug 24 21:26:34 <minnam> Great!
Aug 24 21:26:41 <jadams> Ghiottone, thanks, installing ScaredyCat's ruby right now
Aug 24 21:26:47 <Ghiottone> oh rofl!
Aug 24 21:26:48 <woglinde> hehe
Aug 24 21:26:49 <hhf423> oh, tahts funny
Aug 24 21:26:50 <neclimdul> notice the is broken comment though
Aug 24 21:27:00 <Ghiottone> beaten by few seconds! :)
Aug 24 21:27:07 <minnam> Gnash is gonna be on Openmoko i guess instead Flash??
Aug 24 21:27:10 <fgau> hhf423: hh stands for hamburg?
Aug 24 21:27:23 <hhf423> when I do "date" on the neo, I get the correct time (because of ntpd) but it does not show the right time on the GUI
Aug 24 21:27:25 <minnam> Anybody from Scandinavia?
Aug 24 21:27:31 <neclimdul> minnam: no, i was just saying its an option /if/ it worked :)
Aug 24 21:27:33 <guaqua> here here
Aug 24 21:27:36 <Vegar> minnam: I am
Aug 24 21:27:38 <mjr> minnam, you can install it, to be sure... Not sure if there's point to put it in a default install or anything yet, since it's work-in-progress
Aug 24 21:27:41 <hhf423> fgau: no, it does not, but that where I live :-)
Aug 24 21:27:41 <SpeedEvil> minnam: the only person that can put Flash on openmoko is Adobe.
Aug 24 21:27:53 <Ghiottone> hhf423, it depends on localtime
Aug 24 21:27:54 <SpeedEvil> minnam: As they are the only people with the source.
Aug 24 21:28:06 <guaqua> what flash does n800 run?
Aug 24 21:28:10 <guaqua> or maemo in general?
Aug 24 21:28:11 <fgau> hhf423: moin
Aug 24 21:28:12 <mjr> guaqua, Adobe.
Aug 24 21:28:13 <minnam> Would Adobe put its flash to GPL??
Aug 24 21:28:18 <hhf423> Ghiottone: localtime?
Aug 24 21:28:22 <SpeedEvil> Absolutely not minnam.
Aug 24 21:28:23 <mjr> minnam, not so far...
Aug 24 21:28:30 <hhf423> fgau: moin moin :-)
Aug 24 21:28:34 <guaqua> mjr: with the help of adobe or just another hack?
Aug 24 21:28:42 <minnam> Then how would it make it Openmoko?
Aug 24 21:28:43 <mjr> guaqua, Adobe.
Aug 24 21:28:43 <hads> minnam: We aren't adobe. Ask them.
Aug 24 21:29:06 <mjr> minnam, they _could_ publish an Openmoko binary, but doubtful at this point.
Aug 24 21:29:13 <Ghiottone> hhf423, yeah I managed to fix it, give me one minute...
Aug 24 21:29:14 <hhf423> isnt there a Win32 emulator for linux which can be compiled to Neo?
Aug 24 21:29:26 <daMaestro> you can try wine
Aug 24 21:29:31 <daMaestro> not sure if it will build on arm
Aug 24 21:29:35 <mjr> hhf423, different cpu architecture
Aug 24 21:29:37 <minnam> http://www.openlaszlo.org/
Aug 24 21:29:39 <jadams> ScaredyCat, works like a champ
Aug 24 21:29:51 <fgau> hhf423: cool, two neo's in the north of germany
Aug 24 21:29:54 <ScaredyCat> good, I've nevr used ruby :)
Aug 24 21:29:56 <SpeedEvil> hhf423: No - in theory you could use qemu.
Aug 24 21:29:58 <juri_> qemu emulating linux/x86, with wine on that. :)
Aug 24 21:29:58 <neclimdul> if they wont even make a 64bit binary why would they make one for a completely different arch?
Aug 24 21:30:01 <hhf423> mjr: right, wine uses stuff from the x86 architecture
Aug 24 21:30:01 <minnam> Is  DHTML gonna be there in Openmoko?
Aug 24 21:30:03 <SpeedEvil> hhf423: if you want a frame a week.
Aug 24 21:30:09 <ScaredyCat> so couldn;t test it .
Aug 24 21:30:10 <jadams> ha
Aug 24 21:30:21 <guaqua> minnam: webkit is there
Aug 24 21:30:24 <hhf423> hahaha
Aug 24 21:30:26 <jadams> minnam, I just ran google maps on midori on the neo1973
Aug 24 21:30:27 <jadams> so yeah
Aug 24 21:30:27 <jadams> :)
Aug 24 21:30:35 <mjr> really, gnash or some other free flash is the most realistic choice at this point of getting flash support if you really really want that, and they're lacking, as said
Aug 24 21:31:09 <hhf423> minnam: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cccdd95c5945c7b61799eee14d3a10b5.png is on midori using webkit
Aug 24 21:31:31 <Ghiottone> hhf423, copy your timezone file into /usr/share/zonelnfo (has to be created). then do ls -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York /etc/localtime
Aug 24 21:31:34 <hhf423> fgau: so where are you then?
Aug 24 21:32:27 <jadams> ScaredyCat, what do I need to do to get a build env rocking like you have?
Aug 24 21:32:30 <minnam> I believe so.
Aug 24 21:32:35 <hhf423> Ghiottone: interesting. how does one create a tz file?
Aug 24 21:32:43 <minnam> fgau: Helsinki?
Aug 24 21:32:45 <fgau> hhf423: seevetal, and yoou?
Aug 24 21:32:45 <jadams> I can get it running on my work machine and leave it building stuff for me all weekend  :)
Aug 24 21:32:53 <Ghiottone> hhf423, I took mine from my distro
Aug 24 21:32:53 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 751 has been created by kristian(AT)mput.de
Aug 24 21:32:54 <cdbot2> * * /etc/init.d/gsmd stop - kills own shell-script
Aug 24 21:32:55 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=751
Aug 24 21:32:57 <hhf423> fgau: hamburg-sasel
Aug 24 21:33:00 <ScaredyCat> you need lots of disk space though
Aug 24 21:33:17 <Ghiottone> hhf423, just copied in the same place on the Neo and symlinked
Aug 24 21:33:30 <fgau> minnam: ???
Aug 24 21:33:57 <Ghiottone> hhf423, I suspect that copying directly to /etc/localtime would work too.
Aug 24 21:34:00 <hhf423> Ghiottone: so I just copy my localtime to the neo?
Aug 24 21:34:16 <hhf423> Ghiottone: let me try that
Aug 24 21:34:23 <guaqua> mjr: what kind of stuff would it require in practice to get flash working on the neo - an adobe one?
Aug 24 21:34:44 <guaqua> would it be linked against some specific version of libs or just generic for the cpu and os?
Aug 24 21:34:56 <Ghiottone> hhf423, yeah. then I would do rdate time.ien.it (or similar server) and hwclock --systohc --utc
Aug 24 21:35:05 <SpeedEvil> guaqua: wrong CPU
Aug 24 21:35:19 <SpeedEvil> guaqua: Would need qemu
Aug 24 21:35:28 <Ghiottone> hhf423, after that, you need to restart the panel as that is a glibc setting
Aug 24 21:35:30 <jadams> ScaredyCat, I have 130G+ on this machine
Aug 24 21:35:35 <guaqua> SpeedEvil: n800 does run flash
Aug 24 21:35:38 <mjr> guaqua, well, frankly, I think gnash will be workable faster than Adobe will start supporting OM :]
Aug 24 21:35:40 <guaqua> and it's not i386
Aug 24 21:35:53 * ScaredyCat steals jadams disks
Aug 24 21:35:53 <jadams> yeah, if the n800 runs it then its cake, same arch
Aug 24 21:36:06 <jadams> ScaredyCat, meh, $/GB is cheaper than jail  :)
Aug 24 21:36:15 <jadams> plus all my other machines have like no disk space
Aug 24 21:36:28 <jadams> and I've got my media center PC up here at the office serving as a computer for one of our employees
Aug 24 21:36:29 <ScaredyCat> :)
Aug 24 21:36:36 <neclimdul> heh, i'm sitting next to 1.2T
Aug 24 21:36:40 <jadams> which is the only one that ever had space on it
Aug 24 21:36:50 <jadams> yeah, I want an NSLU2 and 1TB or so to serve from it
Aug 24 21:37:16 <neclimdul> saddly mostly full since I do video encoding for someone
Aug 24 21:37:17 <jadams> meh...vi <<<<< vim
Aug 24 21:37:29 <jadams> and vi's the best texted on here so far I think
Aug 24 21:37:29 <SpeedEvil> jadams: well - except for the hardware video accel - which is probably used.
Aug 24 21:37:32 <hhf423> Ghiottone: I'll just do it with the reboot hammer. and correct time I have because my neo already runs ntpd :-)
Aug 24 21:37:35 <mjr> neclimdul, you just need to encode smaller and crappier
Aug 24 21:37:59 <neclimdul> haha i think they'd notice on the large project screens its been show on :P
Aug 24 21:38:04 <hhf423> heh. scp is cool
Aug 24 21:38:30 <mjr> neclimdul, blame the source, luke
Aug 24 21:38:48 <neclimdul> :P
Aug 24 21:38:49 * SpeedEvil has used mencoder on the neo to transcode.
Aug 24 21:39:00 <mjr> SpeedEvil, you perv
Aug 24 21:39:00 <jadams> SpeedEvil, details, GTA02 has that right?
Aug 24 21:39:01 <SpeedEvil> It's mostly not actually that bad on reasonable sized video.
Aug 24 21:39:08 <SpeedEvil> jadams: No.
Aug 24 21:39:12 <guaqua> mjr: was about to say the same :S
Aug 24 21:39:22 <jadams> SpeedEvil, oh...thought hardware accel was coming
Aug 24 21:39:22 <SpeedEvil> jadams: it has a completely different video accel solution.
Aug 24 21:39:50 <SpeedEvil> jadams: There is an on-CPU 'imaging video coprocessor'
Aug 24 21:40:06 <doc|work> hardware accel is coming
Aug 24 21:40:11 <SpeedEvil> Which if used, would be basically impossible to emulate.
Aug 24 21:40:28 <jadams> SpeedEvil, good info
Aug 24 21:40:28 <Stephmw> just drop frames ;)
Aug 24 21:40:34 <mjr> anyway, as mencoder was mentioned, it should be noted that you can do a "youtube player" with mplayer at least. So fear not, you can get your dose of popular proprietary video.
Aug 24 21:40:49 <SpeedEvil> you can.
Aug 24 21:40:49 <mjr> (to all the flash-grabbers out there)
Aug 24 21:40:51 <jadams> upgradign everything to today's builds...
Aug 24 21:40:55 <SpeedEvil> I've played youtube on it.
Aug 24 21:41:08 <mjr> yes, me too
Aug 24 21:41:13 <jadams> vlc runs on ARM right?
Aug 24 21:41:33 <guaqua> so i can watch the wishmaster misheard lyrics in a bus!
Aug 24 21:41:50 <vivo> wiki.videolan.org/ARM-XCompile
Aug 24 21:48:01 <BasiC_> yeah openmoko is getting nearer and nearer
Aug 24 21:48:44 <doc|work> all we need is to know if the gta02 will be release in-time :)
Aug 24 21:48:58 <doc|work> *on-time
Aug 24 21:49:34 <ewon> doubt it
Aug 24 21:49:45 * ScaredyCat whores out cpu
Aug 24 21:50:05 * BasiC_ thinks that there will be a run @ the neo
Aug 24 21:50:16 <BasiC_> so u will have to wait, like dsl came out
Aug 24 21:50:32 <BasiC_> hope i will got it til' december
Aug 24 21:50:42 <vivo> someone has a om kernel .config at hand ?
Aug 24 21:51:10 <doc|work> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/008639.html
Aug 24 21:51:14 <doc|work> 3g working?
Aug 24 21:51:29 <SpeedEvil> doc: no
Aug 24 21:51:33 <SpeedEvil> oh
Aug 24 21:52:19 <doc|work> exactly
Aug 24 21:52:38 <Aria> Woot!
Aug 24 21:52:42 <Aria> I just placed my first call!
Aug 24 21:52:44 <doc|work> that'd be a nice surprise :)
Aug 24 21:52:45 <SpeedEvil> doc: 3G networks have underlying GSM typically. The neo can connect to that.
Aug 24 21:52:50 <mmazur> Aria, whoaaa
Aug 24 21:52:52 <SpeedEvil> Aria: :)
Aug 24 21:52:53 <mmazur> Aria, what was it about?
Aug 24 21:52:56 <mmazur> Aria, ;)
Aug 24 21:53:07 <Aria> It started "Hoy hoy!"
Aug 24 21:53:15 <doc|work> SpeedEvil: ah, ok, that's good, so if the telecomms switched to 3g and ditched 2g, the phones would still work?
Aug 24 21:53:27 <doc|work> (as .au is supposed to be doing)
Aug 24 21:53:41 <BasiC_> Aria: this is the power of openmoko... !
Aug 24 21:53:56 <SpeedEvil> doc: There are assorted ways to do faster phone connectivity. Not all of them ahve underlying GSM networks.
Aug 24 21:54:25 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, for example, little (no?) GSM in Japan.
Aug 24 21:54:44 <woglinde> speedevil right
Aug 24 21:56:27 <Ghiottone> how do I call make from inside do_compile in a bb recipe?
Aug 24 21:56:32 <woglinde> they hace PDC
Aug 24 21:56:36 <woglinde> have
Aug 24 21:56:47 <hhf423> fgau: I only have the base kit
Aug 24 21:56:50 <woglinde> oe_runmake
Aug 24 21:56:59 <SpeedEvil> Planetary Defence Centres?
Aug 24 21:57:37 * hhf423 now has local time on his neo and sees that he must go do bed
Aug 24 21:57:46 * hhf423 waves good night
Aug 24 21:58:01 <woglinde> nite hhf423
Aug 24 21:58:28 <ccube66> cool, hamburger?
Aug 24 21:58:31 <ccube66> noch da?
Aug 24 21:58:57 <woglinde> hamburger, eating?
Aug 24 21:58:59 <fgau> ccube66: logen
Aug 24 21:59:06 <ccube66> hehe
Aug 24 21:59:10 <ccube66> cool
Aug 24 21:59:12 <Aria> Oh _man_. I am having fun now!
Aug 24 21:59:17 <ccube66> hast du nen NEO?
Aug 24 21:59:26 <woglinde> ccube66 english please
Aug 24 21:59:34 <woglinde> or join neo1973-de
Aug 24 21:59:47 <ccube66> hehe,kk
Aug 24 21:59:48 <fgau> ccube66: yeah on my desk
Aug 24 21:59:48 <ccube66> sorry
Aug 24 21:59:56 <ccube66> nice
Aug 24 22:00:14 <ccube66> like it?
Aug 24 22:00:18 <Aria> Working sending and receiving calls.
Aug 24 22:00:22 <Aria> From the GUI
Aug 24 22:00:27 <ccube66> wow
Aug 24 22:00:36 <mmazur> Aria, wow.
Aug 24 22:00:40 <ccube66> mine doesnt work...
Aug 24 22:00:41 <mmazur> Aria, and like *talking*?
Aug 24 22:00:43 <fgau> ccube66: but no time to hack them
Aug 24 22:00:50 <mmazur> Aria, on the default .2 image?
Aug 24 22:00:53 <Aria> Yeah. Transmits voice clearly.
Aug 24 22:00:54 <ccube66> hehe, something like me
Aug 24 22:00:56 <Aria> On 2007.2 latest.
Aug 24 22:01:03 <ccube66> from today?
Aug 24 22:01:05 <Aria> Yep.
Aug 24 22:01:10 <Aria> From <1h ago
Aug 24 22:01:18 <ccube66> works with every phone or just some?
Aug 24 22:01:20 <Aria> (flashed 2 days ago, updated today.)
Aug 24 22:01:27 <Aria> Works with my office IP system
Aug 24 22:01:30 <Aria> And sounds fine.
Aug 24 22:01:33 <ccube66> :)
Aug 24 22:01:35 <ccube66> very nice
Aug 24 22:01:42 <ccube66> ill try in a few minutes...
Aug 24 22:01:44 <Aria> Filters out the background noise of my air conditioner well enough
Aug 24 22:01:49 <ccube66> hehe
Aug 24 22:02:09 <woglinde> aria hehe you are lucky other fiddling for weeks now
Aug 24 22:02:26 <Aria> I had to restart gsmd, for sure, and the indicators at the top of the screen have crashed.
Aug 24 22:02:55 <Aria> I placed and received a call with the commandline tool first, then it worked from the GUI once I restarted things.
Aug 24 22:03:02 <ccube66> where you got that image?
Aug 24 22:03:14 <Aria> buildhost
Aug 24 22:03:45 <ccube66>  22-Aug-2007 18:23   40M  ?
Aug 24 22:04:00 <jadams> thw only two tiems I've been able to dial out were after ipkg upgrades
Aug 24 22:04:03 <jadams> curious
Aug 24 22:04:52 <ccube66> fgau: ICQ? MSN?
Aug 24 22:05:30 <fgau> ccube66: irc
Aug 24 22:05:36 <ccube66> hehe, i see
Aug 24 22:05:42 <ccube66> always here?
Aug 24 22:05:56 <fgau> ccube66; jep
Aug 24 22:06:00 <ccube66> :)
Aug 24 22:11:15 <Aria> ccube66: 20-Aug-2007, and an ipkg upgrade an hour ago.
Aug 24 22:11:59 <ccube66> k
Aug 24 22:12:19 <ccube66> do i find sth about making ipkg upgrad in the wiki?
Aug 24 22:13:36 <Aria> You have it networked via USB?
Aug 24 22:13:44 <ccube66> i can do yes
Aug 24 22:14:08 <Aria> It's just echo nameserver yournameserver > /etc/resolv.conf; ipkg update; ipkg upgrade
Aug 24 22:14:33 <ccube66> ok, ill try
Aug 24 22:14:35 <Aria> I then installed libmatchbox2-0 with -force-overwrite, since it changed the packagename
Aug 24 22:14:35 <ccube66> :)
Aug 24 22:14:36 <ccube66> thx
Aug 24 22:14:43 <Aria> And then upgrade once more to get the last bits
Aug 24 22:15:07 <ccube66> where to get  libmatchbox2-0?
Aug 24 22:16:15 <Aria> ipkg install libmatchbox2-0 -force-overwrite
Aug 24 22:16:21 <ccube66> ah
Aug 24 22:16:26 <Aria> That was updating from today-2 to today
Aug 24 22:16:27 <ccube66> sounds easy, hehe
Aug 24 22:16:52 <Aria> It was ;-)
Aug 24 22:17:00 <ccube66> thx
Aug 24 22:22:25 <woglinde> lol
Aug 24 22:22:35 <guaqua> someone tried join flooding :/
Aug 24 22:22:44 <ccube66> hehe
Aug 24 22:22:55 <Derbot2> hi
Aug 24 22:23:00 <ccube66> hi
Aug 24 22:23:11 <Derbot2> i'm compiling 2007.2 now
Aug 24 22:23:19 <Derbot2> already have some ipk built
Aug 24 22:23:31 <Derbot2> but when i try to install on the phone i get this:
Aug 24 22:23:31 <xkr47> I'm upgrading my system with more hard disks to be able to compile openmoko stuff :)
Aug 24 22:23:46 <Derbot2> root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg install nscd_2.5-r6_armv4t.ipk
Aug 24 22:23:46 <Derbot2> Installing nscd (2.5-r6) to root...
Aug 24 22:23:46 <Derbot2> Nothing to be done
Aug 24 22:23:46 <Derbot2> Collected errors:
Aug 24 22:23:46 <Derbot2> Multiple packages (nscd and nscd) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Aug 24 22:23:47 <Derbot2> Package nscd md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'ipkg update'.
Aug 24 22:23:58 <Derbot2> any idea?
Aug 24 22:24:19 <xkr47> even if unexperienced, I'd guess the same package is available from two places
Aug 24 22:25:04 <Derbot2> y, but why md5 mismatch ? (the sources are the 'official' 2007.2 ipkgs)
Aug 24 22:27:23 <Derbot2> update: it worked when i removed the other sources and ran ipkg update
Aug 24 22:27:34 <xkr47> nice :)
Aug 24 22:28:53 <Derbot2> weird, i remember installing packages from other sources directly via http .. i'm not sure it was on openmoko but on openwrt for sure
Aug 24 22:30:16 <Derbot2> anyway: my first compiled package runs :)
Aug 24 22:47:47 <Ghiottone> why does my bb recipe copy the files into $WORKDIR but keeps trying to launc make into $WORKDIR/packagename_packagever?
Aug 24 22:48:04 <Ghiottone> actually the files should be compiled in the latter... any suggestion?
Aug 24 22:52:03 <zaery> has anyone made any games work on the neo yet?
Aug 24 22:52:53 <Ghiottone> try scummvm
Aug 24 22:53:30 <zaery> hmm, i didn't think of that one, i thought more along the lines os the samegnome type games
Aug 24 22:55:00 <Ghiottone> in 2007.2 there is plenty of games like that. they are in the package oh-puzzles
Aug 24 23:13:53 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MacOS_X]] [[Talk:E17]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt_Main]] [[User:Hhf423]]
Aug 24 23:29:43 <DukeOfURL> xkr47: my moko directory is 16G
Aug 24 23:32:24 <Ghiottone> anyone could help me with a bb file?
Aug 24 23:32:31 <jseghers> ghiottone: are you still wondering about the $WORKDIR stuff?
Aug 24 23:33:18 <Ghiottone> yes
Aug 24 23:33:20 <Ghiottone> :(
Aug 24 23:34:42 <cesarb> I just created a new page on the wiki, [[User:CesarB/Things not to do with your Neo]]. Feel free to add more to the list (or fix what's already there)
Aug 24 23:35:39 <jseghers> Ghiottone:  The Source Directory for bitbake is normally ${WORKDIR}/${PN}+version stuff
Aug 24 23:36:05 <jseghers> You can change that simply by saying S = "${WORKDIR}"
Aug 24 23:36:15 <jseghers> ${S} is the source dir
Aug 24 23:37:13 * cesarb finds it suggestive that a new set of files on the artwork/sounds directory is named "UnintrusiveStartup.*"... looks like a lot of people were getting annoyed by the startup tone
Aug 24 23:39:01 <Ghiottone> jseghers, ok. I removed all the references to a workdir. this is my bb file http://pastebin.com/d5c2444ec
Aug 24 23:39:54 <Ghiottone> jseghers, what I can't understand is why bitbake copies my file in the /home/ale/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ipkgorphan-0.0.1-r0/ directory
Aug 24 23:40:20 <Ghiottone> jseghers, and tries to execute make from /home/ale/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ipkgorphan-0.0.1-r0/ipkgorphan-0.0.1
Aug 24 23:40:32 <Ghiottone> which obviously doesn't work
Aug 24 23:40:45 <frma> Anyone got any idea of why gsmd fails to connect to the modem when started at boot, If I restart that and the dialer stuff works fine !
Aug 24 23:41:45 <jseghers> frma: I placed and received calls... then it started refusing to do so... frustrated here.
Aug 24 23:41:52 <jseghers> Ghiottone... I'm looking at it...
Aug 24 23:41:58 <Any_Key> morning all
Aug 24 23:42:44 <Ghiottone> jseghers, thanks
Aug 24 23:43:50 <sagacis|neo> morning
Aug 24 23:43:55 <Any_Key> how can I force OM 2007.2 to calibrate display in qemu? Use mokomakefile
Aug 24 23:48:16 <jseghers> Ghiottone: See comments at end of http://pastebin.com/d4adec3f8
Aug 24 23:49:30 <cesarb> Any_Key: it doesn't calibrate on the real device either...
Aug 24 23:50:03 <cesarb> Any_Key: I've heard you can just remove the calibration file from /etc and it'll recalibrate
Aug 24 23:50:04 <frma> Any_Key: Doesn't it help with 'rm /etc/pointercal'
Aug 24 23:50:48 <sagacis|neo> calibrate with ts_calib
Aug 24 23:50:54 <Any_Key> cesarb, frma OK will tryit
Aug 24 23:50:57 <sagacis|neo> ...rate
Aug 24 23:51:14 <Ghiottone> jseghers, yes that's it
Aug 24 23:52:13 <jseghers> Ghiottone: paste in the results of trying make rebuild-package-ipkgorphan
Aug 24 23:53:15 <Any_Key> sagacis, first of all i might somehow get terminal running : )
Aug 24 23:53:54 <sagacis|neo> that does make it more challenging
Aug 24 23:53:56 <cesarb> Any_Key: can't you use the serial console on ctrl-alt-3?
Aug 24 23:54:03 <cesarb> Any_Key: (ctrl-alt-1 goes back btw)
Aug 24 23:54:53 * Any_Key flashing qemu now
Aug 24 23:55:05 <Ghiottone> jseghers, here it is http://pastebin.com/d1ea10e9e
Aug 24 23:55:05 <Any_Key> cesarb, let's see...
Aug 24 23:56:30 * cesarb wonders if the openmoko guys remembered to run getty on ttyS0
Aug 24 23:58:11 <cesarb> If not, hm... perhaps init=/bin/bash console=ttyS0 might do the trick...
Aug 24 23:58:26 <jseghers> Ghiottone: Doublecheck that /home/ale/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ipkgorphan-0.0.1-r0 contains your two files.  Then paste the Makefile contents.  It seems to me that your Makefile is getting referenced, but there's something wrong with it.
Aug 25 00:00:04 <Any_Key> cesarb, for now I see only AT commands
Aug 25 00:00:33 <jseghers> When I first put this T-mobile SIM in the phone, I was able to both place calls and receive them.  Now I just get "Requesting registration" over and over.  If I try using the Antenna tray app, I can select an option from the pop-up menu, but then the tray completely disappears.
Aug 25 00:01:15 <Ghiottone> jseghers,  http://pastebin.com/d32848ccf
Aug 25 00:01:45 <cesarb> Any_Key: yeah, you probably will have to stop at uboot (instead of having it boot) and boot it manually, doing a "init=/bin/sh console=ttyS0 rw" trick, to get a prompt on the serial while the GSM is off
Aug 25 00:08:49 <Any_Key> cesarb, in qemu? hm 
Aug 25 00:09:42 <jseghers> Ghiottone: http://pastebin.com/db4d4269 unfortunately I have to take off.. so I won't be able to do any more with this tonight.
Aug 25 00:09:59 <cesarb> Any_Key: yep
Aug 25 00:11:04 <jseghers> Ghiottone: good luck.
Aug 25 00:14:12 <frma> Is anyones neo booting up with gsmd working, or do you all need to restart it manually ?
Aug 25 00:17:47 <cesarb> frma: it starts automatically?
Aug 25 00:23:17 <frma> cesarb: Yes, but at boot it gets no response from the modem (according to /tmp/gsm.log), but if I'm shutting it down and then restart it I can both send and receive calls ?
Aug 25 00:25:00 * cesarb remembers sarcasm doesn't work well (or at all) in the internet
Aug 25 00:25:39 <cesarb> frma: gsmd seems to be kinda buggy... I cannot make libgsmd-tool get any answer from gsmd on mine (but then, I've only tested on the official snapshot so far)
Aug 25 00:26:47 <BabelO> hi
Aug 25 00:26:51 <BabelO> somebody around ?
Aug 25 00:27:42 <BabelO> ~x en ru somebody around ?
Aug 25 00:27:45 <apt> кто-нибудь вокруг?
Aug 25 00:28:46 <Ghiottone> hello
Aug 25 00:28:56 <BabelO> hello
Aug 25 00:29:17 <BabelO> have little question about openmoko screen size ?
Aug 25 00:29:32 <BabelO> where can i set correct dpi size ?
Aug 25 00:32:38 <Ghiottone> mmmm
Aug 25 00:32:49 <BabelO> is it -dpi ?
Aug 25 00:33:17 <Ghiottone> xdpyinfo says resolution:    284x285 dots per inch
Aug 25 00:33:22 <Ghiottone> ah
Aug 25 00:33:27 <Ghiottone> set, not see. sorry
Aug 25 00:33:46 <BabelO> Ghiottone: ok i try with -dpi 142
Aug 25 00:34:00 <BabelO> have a big screen with small resolution
Aug 25 00:34:11 <SpeedEvil> Back off.
Aug 25 00:34:25 <SpeedEvil> Some 1m or so may be an appropriate distance for a 640*480 window
Aug 25 00:34:33 <SpeedEvil> Some 1m or so may be an appropriate distance for a 480*680 window
Aug 25 00:34:53 <Ghiottone> BabelO, it seems that Xserver is started with -dpi 285. so you may be right
Aug 25 00:35:01 <BabelO> SpeedEvil: i have a 3.8 inch and 240x320
Aug 25 00:35:47 <Ghiottone> then add the -screen parameter as well
Aug 25 00:36:14 <Ghiottone> here is the Neo Xserver cmdline: xinit /etc/X11/Xsession -- /usr/bin/Xfbdev :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash.ppm
Aug 25 00:37:34 <BabelO> humm doesn't boot now :(
Aug 25 00:38:26 <SpeedEvil> BabelO: Oh - I thought you were on a PC. What're you bootying?
Aug 25 00:38:51 <BabelO> SpeedEvil: no i m on my htc blueangel
Aug 25 00:42:03 <cesarb> Any_Key: tried the trick of removing /etc/pointercal via booting to init=/bin/sh, doesn't seem to work... it's been several minutes already and the GUI seems to be completely stuck
Aug 25 00:44:20 * cesarb gives up and kills qemu
Aug 25 00:44:28 <frma> cesarb: Agree, it's kind of buggy and I don't understand why they catch SIGSEGV and does nothing with it... hard to see when it crashes :I
Aug 25 00:45:58 <frma> sesarb: In what stage ? Is it saying starting gui or just the initial boot logo ?
Aug 25 00:46:19 <Any_Key> cesarb, have you tried to run calibration util?
Aug 25 00:47:12 <Any_Key> frma, no it just see clicks at random position in qemu
Aug 25 00:48:46 <cesarb> frma: the "please wait while the gui does misterious things behind your back" screen
Aug 25 00:48:55 <Ghiottone> how can I create the devel part of a package?
Aug 25 00:48:57 <Any_Key> frma, somehow (pressing aux) i've started dialer & now clicking on buutons I never know what will come next
Aug 25 00:50:04 <sagacis|neo> I updated with ipk over gprs.  This is running pretty well now.
Aug 25 00:51:07 <Ghiottone> wow!
Aug 25 00:51:17 <Ghiottone> did you started gprs manually?
Aug 25 00:51:45 * Any_Key killed qemu 
Aug 25 00:51:53 <jadams_> on my laptop, I use the router (192.168.0.55) as my nameserver.  This in the resolv.conf for the neo gets me nothing in the way of domain resolution
Aug 25 00:52:08 <jadams_> sagacis: what carrier?
Aug 25 00:52:37 <sagacis|neo> yes, i had to run pppd from a script i put on the menu list
Aug 25 00:53:06 <sagacis|neo> jadams, use opendns.com
Aug 25 00:53:18 <sagacis|neo> I am on at&t
Aug 25 00:54:06 <sagacis|neo> I cannot seem to use madplay anymore, tho
Aug 25 00:54:16 <SpeedEvil> jada: can you ping your router?
Aug 25 00:54:27 <SpeedEvil> (from the neo)
Aug 25 00:58:26 <jadams_> SpeedEvil: I can't.  Is there a way to add a route to it?
Aug 25 00:59:01 <jadams_> sagacis: I'm on T-Mobile, just got the phone today and got gsm and gprs both working briefly
Aug 25 00:59:16 <sagacis|neo> anybody have success with bluetooth headsets?
Aug 25 00:59:19 <jadams_> I didn't do ipkg over the gprs though
Aug 25 00:59:24 <jadams_> I've got one here, haven't tried it out yet
Aug 25 00:59:39 <jadams_> I can't make calls at present, no SIM.  How can I test the headset quickly?
Aug 25 00:59:52 <sagacis|neo> jadams_, ive been working on the combo for abutt 2 weeks
Aug 25 01:00:10 <rwhitby> "GTA02v2" - cool.
Aug 25 01:00:38 <rwhitby> means maybe a month or two until P0 GTA02 devices
Aug 25 01:00:41 <jadams_> sagacis|neo: document the process anywhere?
Aug 25 01:01:05 <sagacis|neo> I followed the instructions on the wiki to use hcitool cc 99:aa:..., and it said conoected
Aug 25 01:01:10 <BabelO> what is bt chipset on moko ? brf6150 ?
Aug 25 01:01:25 <rwhitby> Some CSR device
Aug 25 01:01:33 <rwhitby> details are probably on the wiki
Aug 25 01:01:35 <sagacis|neo> egad, im switching to a pc now tat im home
Aug 25 01:01:53 <sagacis> OK, much better.
Aug 25 01:02:13 <sagacis> jadams_, I used the wiki instructions for manual gprs.
Aug 25 01:02:52 <sagacis> I just looked.  I did have to run 'pppd file /etc/ppp/gprs' from a console window and leave it running (i.e. nodetach and debug both had to be one)
Aug 25 01:03:25 <Any_Key> rwhitby, good to hear
Aug 25 01:04:06 <jadams_> sagacis: I just get Can't open HCI socket.: Address family not supported by protocol
Aug 25 01:04:48 <sagacis> jadams_, are you running hcid?
Aug 25 01:06:14 <jadams_> sagacis: 'ps ax|grep hcid' says no
Aug 25 01:06:35 <jadams_> but 'hcid' doesn't seem to get it running either
Aug 25 01:07:59 <sagacis> run /etc/init.d/bluetooth start
Aug 25 01:10:10 <jadams_> sagacis: same issue
Aug 25 01:10:39 <jadams_> I followed the "echo 1 > somewhere" instructions on th ewiki first though, if that might have broken it
Aug 25 01:11:05 <sagacis> That just turns it on.  Do 'cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on '
Aug 25 01:11:19 <SpeedEvil> jada: route add my.router.ip usb0
Aug 25 01:11:49 <jadams_> sagacis: 1
Aug 25 01:12:06 <BabelO> openmoko look nice on my blueangel ;) need to have small icon an bar also :)
Aug 25 01:12:12 <sagacis> jadams_ So your device says it's powered on.  
Aug 25 01:12:12 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 25 01:13:21 <sagacis> the script says it runs 'hcid /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf'
Aug 25 01:13:28 <sagacis> try running that from the command line
Aug 25 01:13:53 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:E17]] [[Wishlist:LiveUSB_distro]] [[User:CesarB]] [[User:CesarB/Things_not_to_do_with_your_Neo]]
Aug 25 01:14:32 <jadams_> SpeedEvil: I'm retarded.  I did that on the host, and then I did a 'route del 192.168.0.55' to undo it, and now I can't hit the router from the host
Aug 25 01:14:53 <sagacis> heh... Clever
Aug 25 01:15:02 <sagacis> sounds like something I'd do
Aug 25 01:15:10 <jadams_> any hints on how to undo my stupid move? :)
Aug 25 01:15:27 <jadams_> now when I ping 192.168.0.55 I get: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
Aug 25 01:15:41 <jadams_> eww, for anything at all
Aug 25 01:15:43 <sagacis> jadams_: route add my.router.ip?
Aug 25 01:16:12 <jadams_> SIOCADDRT: No such device
Aug 25 01:16:13 <sagacis> Actually, do' route add default eth0'
Aug 25 01:16:16 <sagacis> or whichever
Aug 25 01:16:34 <sagacis> or 'ifconfig eth0 up'
Aug 25 01:16:42 <sagacis> or 'ifup eth0'
Aug 25 01:16:59 <sagacis> This assumes eth0 is your host's network connection
Aug 25 01:17:20 * SpeedEvil waits for jadams to ping out.
Aug 25 01:17:38 <sagacis> heh
Aug 25 01:17:58 * sagacis thinks SpeedEvil is living up to his last name.
Aug 25 01:19:23 <sagacis> Anybody know where the hcitool code is?  I'm going to see if I can figure out why 'hcitool cc xx:xx:xx:xx' does nothing.
Aug 25 01:19:39 <jadams_> eth1, but same issue
Aug 25 01:19:39 <jadams_> crap
Aug 25 01:19:39 <jadams|g00b> same, same, same
Aug 25 01:19:39 <jadams|g00b> (again, with eth1)
Aug 25 01:19:41 <jadams|g00b> I'm afraid to restart the network connection altogether, for fear I'll lose this lifeline  :)
Aug 25 01:20:02 <sagacis> :D
Aug 25 01:22:36 <BabelO> SpeedEvil: is there a way to downscale icons ? just a little ;)
Aug 25 01:23:33 <SpeedEvil> Sorry, dunno.
Aug 25 01:24:31 <BabelO> :( it look so  nice no tomorrow i try gsmd ;) and hope found a way for small icons ;)
Aug 25 01:25:05 <Ghiottone> nite all
Aug 25 01:37:30 <sagacis> AT&T screwed up my bill!  I feel like an iPhone luser!
Aug 25 01:37:56 <sagacis> $200 of download charges on my unlimited data plan!
Aug 25 01:38:04 <Aria> Whoa!
Aug 25 01:40:25 <SpeedEvil> :/
Aug 25 01:43:10 <BabelO> good night all
Aug 25 01:47:06 <sagacis> Man, they suck.
Aug 25 01:47:52 <sagacis> The customer rep says I have no media plan on my account.  He is going to fix it for me, he says.
Aug 25 01:49:40 <SpeedEvil> Fix it so you don't need to pay?
Aug 25 01:50:44 <jadams_> meh
Aug 25 01:50:48 <jadams_> now that that's all sorted out
Aug 25 01:50:57 <jadams_> somehow my loopback got lost
Aug 25 01:51:04 <jadams_> and my default gateway
Aug 25 01:51:09 <jadams_> routing tables correted
Aug 25 01:51:33 <jadams_> and I feel that tiny bit more competent now
Aug 25 01:52:39 <sagacis> Gotta pay $20, which is what I should have been billed.
Aug 25 01:53:18 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 25 01:53:33 * SpeedEvil wishes he could get a better 'data plan'.
Aug 25 01:53:56 <SpeedEvil> Currently I pay up to a pound ($2) per day, and 7p/K up to that (crossover 136K)
Aug 25 01:55:36 <Aria> Wow. That's only $60/mo. That's cheap.
Aug 25 01:55:45 <jadams_> SpeedEvil: ouch.  I pay $20/month for unlimited gprs
Aug 25 01:55:54 <Aria> Or is here.
Aug 25 01:56:03 <SpeedEvil> T-mobile (UK)
Aug 25 01:56:47 <SpeedEvil> It's 7.50 ($15) per month, in addition to a contract, plus 20 per month for the cheapest contract. Or Pay as you go, which is up to a pound a day for data.
Aug 25 01:57:08 <SpeedEvil> Which isn't so bad.
Aug 25 01:58:39 <jadams_> http://pastie.caboo.se/90818 <--there's my routing table on the neo, I can't hit 192.168.0.55 which needs to be my dns
Aug 25 01:58:52 <sagacis> ATT with no plan (pay as you go) is $.01 per KB, which adds up fast if you do an ipkg update over gprs!  11.8M == $118
Aug 25 01:59:20 <sagacis> OK, gotta go play Wii with my sons.  ugt 'Nite (for now)
Aug 25 02:00:15 <Aria> jadams_: That top entry is redundant, but okay. Bet the problem's not on the neo
Aug 25 02:00:20 <Aria> What've you got on the host?
Aug 25 02:00:37 <Aria> (and if you use ip route, it shows a little more info, rather than just route)
Aug 25 02:01:17 <jadams_> http://pastie.caboo.se/90820
Aug 25 02:01:24 <jadams_> that's the host's routing table
Aug 25 02:01:36 <Aria> Ah. Same network on two interfaces.
Aug 25 02:01:42 <Aria> So you need a more specific route to the neo on the host.
Aug 25 02:02:02 <Aria> It's ugly no matter how you slice it if you do that.
Aug 25 02:02:06 <jadams_> http://pastie.caboo.se/90821 <-- ip route on both
Aug 25 02:02:33 <jadams_> the host can talk to the neo though...
Aug 25 02:02:37 <Aria> Hrm
Aug 25 02:02:43 <jadams_> I'm ssh'd into the neo running these commands
Aug 25 02:02:47 <Aria> That might be a masquerade rule.
Aug 25 02:03:06 <Aria> Can you ping 192.168.0.200 ?
Aug 25 02:03:25 <jadams_> from both the neo and the laptop, yes
Aug 25 02:03:59 <Aria> So the problem is in forwarding. I bet it's getting confused because eth1 and usb0 are on the same subnet, but separate networks
Aug 25 02:04:48 <Aria> Easy solution: change the Neo's IP, I bet. s/192.168.0/192.168.1/ 
Aug 25 02:05:30 <Aria> (or if your external network is simple, change that.)
Aug 25 02:05:33 <jadams_> Aria: how would I do that?
Aug 25 02:05:46 <jadams_> and no, the external network is harder
Aug 25 02:07:02 <weez> wasn't there a caution in the wiki somewhere about installing the sim card ?  i cant seem to find it
Aug 25 02:07:05 <cibomahto> jadams: you need to specify a different address in your network config on your pc, i suggest 192.168.1.200 for the pc interface
Aug 25 02:07:29 <jadams_> nm
Aug 25 02:07:33 <Aria> Lemme see. Not sure I have usbnet on on this host.
Aug 25 02:07:33 <jadams_> got it, thanks
Aug 25 02:07:36 <Aria> Woot!
Aug 25 02:07:37 <cibomahto> jadams: :-)
Aug 25 02:07:46 <jadams_> well, got the network interfaces on the new network at least
Aug 25 02:08:19 <Aria> Then masquerade and ip_forwarding and you're good
Aug 25 02:09:30 <jadams_> hrm, what should this be then?         post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
Aug 25 02:09:45 <jadams_> the host is .168.0, the neo is .168.1
Aug 25 02:09:47 <Aria> 192.168.1.0
Aug 25 02:09:57 <Aria> Oh, host has to be .1 too, on usb0
Aug 25 02:10:12 <jadams_> yeah, it is, sorry
Aug 25 02:10:17 <Aria> Good good.
Aug 25 02:10:49 <Aria> Basically, -s 192.168.1.0/24 is a quick hack for "coming from the neo (or anything vaguely like the neo)"
Aug 25 02:11:04 <Aria> Anything on the usb0 network would go. Being point-to-point, that's of course limited
Aug 25 02:11:28 <hads> Found a really basic python implementation of T9 like stuff. Interstingly simple.
Aug 25 02:11:28 <jadams_> Aria: ok, now do I need to add a route on the neo still?
Aug 25 02:11:40 <jadams_> ping 192.168.1.200 works fine, but ping 192.168.0.55 still fails
Aug 25 02:11:51 <Aria> Nope. The route's superfluous in all cases.
Aug 25 02:12:05 <Aria> The 192.168.1.0/24 route via usb0 handles it
Aug 25 02:12:13 <Aria> Do you have ip_forwarding turned on on the host?\
Aug 25 02:12:18 <SpeedEvil> Not in 2.0 kernels.
Aug 25 02:12:19 <Aria> (the echo 1 > line)
Aug 25 02:12:24 <SpeedEvil> (IIRC)
Aug 25 02:12:33 <Aria> SpeedEvil: Even there, the way this is set up
Aug 25 02:12:41 <Aria> SpeedEvil: Not that 2.0 has cdc_ether
Aug 25 02:13:05 <jadams_> Aria: I ran it, yeah
Aug 25 02:13:15 <Aria> Hrm
Aug 25 02:13:26 <jadams_> how does the 192.168.1.0 route on the neo handle a ping 192.168.0.55 ??
Aug 25 02:13:51 <Aria> It sees the "default" route, since it doesn't match any of its specifics, sends it to that host (doing a second lookup in the routing table to find out how to get /there/)
Aug 25 02:13:59 <Aria> Then that host has to do the rest.
Aug 25 02:14:04 <jadams_> hrm
Aug 25 02:14:38 <jadams_> still fails
Aug 25 02:14:47 <Aria> Got tcpdump handy?
Aug 25 02:14:54 <Aria> tcpdump -n -i usb0
Aug 25 02:14:57 <Aria> See if you see the packets
Aug 25 02:15:03 <Aria> If so, it's not the neo's problem
Aug 25 02:16:05 <jadams_> not the neo's problem
Aug 25 02:16:21 <Aria> Woot. That's a start. What's iptables look like on your host?
Aug 25 02:16:26 <Aria> iptables -L -t nat
Aug 25 02:17:56 <jadams_> http://rafb.net/p/IhzP5735.html
Aug 25 02:18:19 <jadams_> is it the previous masq for .0.0 that's killing it?
Aug 25 02:18:59 <Aria> Probably, since that refers to your other network
Aug 25 02:19:07 <jadams_> how do I kill it?
Aug 25 02:19:07 <Aria> iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 1
Aug 25 02:19:18 <Aria> (can you tell I do this for a living?)
Aug 25 02:19:38 <jadams_> yeah
Aug 25 02:19:41 <jadams_> I killed that one
Aug 25 02:19:44 <jadams_> still nothing from the neo
Aug 25 02:20:34 <Aria> Hrm.
Aug 25 02:20:44 <hads> I've been using `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.0.2` - I don't know iptables well though.
Aug 25 02:20:59 <jadams_> http://rafb.net/p/o7jYOh22.html
Aug 25 02:21:40 <jadams_> hads: what's 192.168.0.2 there?
Aug 25 02:22:07 <hads> eth1 is the interface on the host that Neo is plugged into and .2 is the address of that interface
Aug 25 02:22:32 <Aria> jadams_: Remind me what's running on the neo? Pings?
Aug 25 02:22:56 <jadams_> Aria: I don't understand the question...
Aug 25 02:23:14 <Aria> How are you testing that it's not working?
Aug 25 02:23:36 <jadams_> Aria: ping 192.168.0.55 fails
Aug 25 02:23:45 <jadams_> which is the router that it'll be using to get out to the internet
Aug 25 02:23:58 <Aria> And when you run that ping on the neo, do you see it in the tcpdump?
Aug 25 02:24:06 <jadams_> yeah, that's what's pasted up
Aug 25 02:24:14 <jadams_> when I ping that IP, the tcpdump I pasted happens
Aug 25 02:24:23 <jadams_> (ping from the neo, tcpdump from host)
Aug 25 02:24:28 <jadams_> http://rafb.net/p/o7jYOh22.html
Aug 25 02:25:40 <Aria> Aaah, so only the ssh traffic, the ping doesn't actually make it out of the neo. 
Aug 25 02:25:48 <Aria> Double-check the routing table on the neo
Aug 25 02:25:50 <Aria> ip route on the neo
Aug 25 02:25:59 <Aria> (bet the default route disappeared)
Aug 25 02:26:29 <jadams_> root@fic-gta01:~$ ip route
Aug 25 02:26:29 <jadams_> 192.168.1.0/24 dev usb0  src 192.168.1.202 
Aug 25 02:26:32 <jadams_> that's the whole thing
Aug 25 02:26:36 <jadams_> what should it be?
Aug 25 02:26:36 <Aria> Bingo
Aug 25 02:26:38 <Aria> To test:
Aug 25 02:26:48 <Aria> ip route add default via 192.168.1.200
Aug 25 02:27:08 <jadams_> success!
Aug 25 02:27:09 <Aria> If that works, that'd go in /etc/network/interfaces as the gateway IP
Aug 25 02:27:11 <Aria> Woot!
Aug 25 02:27:37 <jadams_> yeah, that's everything I needed for now
Aug 25 02:27:49 <jadams_> ipkg update, etc. work now, so yay
Aug 25 02:28:08 <Aria> Yay! Congrats~
Aug 25 02:28:25 <Aria> Just mentally substitute .1 for .0 in the docs from now on ;-)
Aug 25 02:28:33 <jadams_> sure, that part's no prob now
Aug 25 02:28:41 <jadams_> I'll have to reconfigure it from my work machine on monday now
Aug 25 02:28:46 <jadams_> but I think I can handle it
Aug 25 02:28:46 <Aria> Yeah.
Aug 25 02:28:51 <Aria> Good, good.
Aug 25 02:29:02 <Aria> Now someone just needs to port NetworkManager to the neo ;-)
Aug 25 02:29:10 <jadams_> yeah, agreed many times over  :)
Aug 25 02:43:57 <jadams_> I get audo: /dev/dsp: no such file or directory when I try to run madplay
Aug 25 02:44:02 <jadams_> s/audo/audio
Aug 25 02:46:22 <sagacis> jadams_, me too
Aug 25 02:47:20 <jadams_> sagacis: do you have an /etc/alsa directory?
Aug 25 02:48:47 <jadams_> sagacis: I'm ipkg install(ing) alsa-server right now
Aug 25 02:49:38 <jadams_> uh oh
Aug 25 02:49:39 <jadams_> used up /
Aug 25 02:49:49 <jadams_> hrm, what's the solution here?
Aug 25 02:50:15 <jadams_> remove some of this stuff, add the card to my path, and set ipkg to install stuff on the card?
Aug 25 02:50:27 <sagacis> jadams_, we're not supposed to have an /etc/alsa any more, I think.
Aug 25 02:50:38 <sagacis> Haven't had it for a while. 2007.2, I think.
Aug 25 02:50:49 <jadams_> pulseaudio and whatnot
Aug 25 02:50:50 <sagacis> My sound works, in general, just not with madplay
Aug 25 02:51:17 <jadams_> root@fic-gta01:/etc$ /etc/init.d/pulseaudio start  
Aug 25 02:51:17 <jadams_> Starting the audio server...W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
Aug 25 02:51:20 <jadams_> E: main.c: daemon startup failed.
Aug 25 02:51:23 <jadams_> pulseaudio
Aug 25 02:51:37 <sagacis> Don't the other audio components use it?  
Aug 25 02:57:07 <sagacis> jadams_, one of the things we figured out yesterday was to add '/etc/init.d/gsmd stop;/etc/init.d/gsmd start' to /etc/matchbox/session before 'openmoko-dialer2 &'
Aug 25 02:57:18 <sagacis> With that, the gsm starts well every boot
Aug 25 02:58:34 <sagacis> Hey, we got a new fast-charge icon!
Aug 25 02:59:37 <sagacis> OK, my madplay works now.
Aug 25 02:59:55 <sagacis> jadams_, I seem to be better after the upgrade this afternoon
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