**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 06 02:59:56 2007 Sep 06 03:12:25 Well, I created a (so far uncompiled and untested) patch which should in theory fix ombug 766 Sep 06 03:12:29 !ombug 766 Sep 06 03:12:31 * * Bug 766, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Sep 06 03:12:32 * * cesarb(AT)cesarb.net: gsmd misbehaves on back-to-back AT+CFUN=1/AT+COPS=0 Sep 06 03:12:33 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=766 Sep 06 03:12:40 If someone wants to play with it, I put it at http://pastebin.ca/683328 Sep 06 03:13:57 I'm going to sleep now... After getting out of work late today (due to waiting the technician to fix the internet link), and having to wake up early tomorrow, I don't have time to even turn the neo on right now, much less fight with the quicksand build system Sep 06 03:14:30 If nobody goes ahead with that patch, I'm going to test it tomorrow (if OE cooperates) Sep 06 03:14:57 Comments on the patch (like "it's an ugly hack!") welcome ;-) Sep 06 03:48:40 I have a quick question. I was looking at the hardware development section on the wiki; has anyone tried to use Flash hard drives (kind of like whatever is being used on the iPhone and iPod Touch)? Sep 06 03:49:00 I couldn't find any reference to any such experiment Sep 06 03:49:46 If they connect via USB or SDIO, I bet they'd work. If ATA, bet not, since there's no ATA interface on the Neo Sep 06 03:50:24 I see, so in theory it would be possible to actually replace the microSD with an actual Flash drive? Sep 06 03:50:41 if it took SDIO or USB Sep 06 03:50:54 Yeah, physical arrangement issues inside. Sep 06 03:51:04 And power for USB Sep 06 03:51:08 yea, I gathered a new casing would need to be made Sep 06 03:51:15 (GTA02 will have powered USB; GTA01 needs external power) Sep 06 03:51:46 is this the kind of experiment i'd be able to do with the GTA02 dev board ? Sep 06 03:51:54 (the 600 bux package) Sep 06 03:52:03 * Aria shrugs. Sep 06 03:52:09 lol Sep 06 03:52:16 Don't think it needs the dev board. If you can connect the pins, you can play. Sep 06 03:52:40 Is there any updated timescales on the GTA02? Is it still expected in October? Sep 06 03:52:40 Who_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Sep 06 03:52:41 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Toolchain]] [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers/es]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bogota]] [[MokoMakefile/es]] [[Talk:Testimonials]] Sep 06 03:53:12 I was curious to know: I was looking for high capacity microSD (16G/32G) but couldn't find any Sep 06 03:53:27 so that would limit the neo to 8G max for now Sep 06 03:53:48 (I actually had a hard time finding any 8G microSD online for sale...) Sep 06 03:55:29 Yeah, those are new. Sep 06 03:58:11 it'd be nice if they had 32G microSD, but that might be another while before they come out Sep 06 03:58:35 all things considered, the iPhone is also limited to 8Gb at this point Sep 06 03:58:42 I flashed with a kernel/rootfs from Scaredycat's repo. Now I don't know the ssh password to log into the phone. Any hints? Sep 06 04:02:06 anyone failing build on libelf_0.8.6 (I see technil mentioned the problem on IRC yesterday, but no one replied to him)....think I should nuke build/tmp *again* ? Sep 06 04:05:55 boo Sep 06 04:06:07 boo who? Sep 06 04:07:03 booya! Sep 06 04:13:21 hey all ... I've been out of the openmoko loop for a little while. Looking to buy a device, but I see that the 02 hardware rev is due out pretty soon. So maybe I'll wait and get me some wifi. Any idea whether it's more-or-less on schedule? Sep 06 04:14:41 wiml: it looks like there might be delays so the October date might become Dec. nothing official yet though, as far as i know. Sep 06 04:15:22 what's delaying? Sep 06 04:15:59 i'm not a 100% sure, someone else here might have more information :) Sep 06 04:16:06 nothing out of the ordinary. it just takes time to design, build and test complex hardware. Sep 06 04:16:24 ;) I was just curious, I can imagine the workload to be quite big Sep 06 04:16:40 I'm waiting myself to get my hands on a GTA02 Sep 06 04:17:33 is 02 going to be user functional or will it still be a developper device? Sep 06 04:17:45 User functional. Sep 06 04:18:15 That's good, I'll be able to use it while playing around with it :D Sep 06 04:18:20 well, and the 01 rev slipped quite a bit, so I expect the 02 will too. always hard t predict though. Sep 06 04:18:44 I'm sooo looking forward to this device Sep 06 04:18:57 in time I think it'll be the ultimate geek iPhone killer Sep 06 04:19:31 well,anybody here use moto E6? Sep 06 04:19:32 noop: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Sep 06 04:19:35 If there's a version with multitouch, sure. Sep 06 04:19:39 Getting there, that's for sure. Sep 06 04:19:53 is multitouch going to use the same hardware? Sep 06 04:20:03 the 02 has significant work. Sep 06 04:20:07 or will it need the actual touchscreen to be replaced? Sep 06 04:20:12 No, needs a multitouch screen Sep 06 04:20:15 The touchscreen does support multi-touch, right? so its only a matter of implementing it in the software. or am I wrong? Sep 06 04:20:21 There's potential hacks to fake it, but it's a hardware thing Sep 06 04:20:23 the gfx divers alone are a mountain Sep 06 04:20:28 as none exist Sep 06 04:20:28 No, it doesn't that I know of. Sep 06 04:20:30 Yeah. Sep 06 04:20:42 and they need writing from scratch Sep 06 04:20:57 That's a pain Sep 06 04:21:06 and x drivers for complex hw are non trivial Sep 06 04:21:11 For sure. Sep 06 04:21:21 esp. if u want opengl Sep 06 04:21:29 F Sep 06 04:21:31 That's too bad for the multitouch... will we have to wait for a GTA03 before something like multi-touch is implemented? Sep 06 04:21:32 F. Sure. Sep 06 04:21:41 Probably, Akuma. Sep 06 04:22:00 thats in addition to all the other work on userspace aps, ui, etc Sep 06 04:22:07 Open stuff is always a loooong road, but hell it'll be nice when everything works fine Sep 06 04:22:30 as well as hw testing ,qa and othe misc hw changes etc Sep 06 04:22:51 Akuma: GTA02 will go through the same P0 P1 P2 phase that GTA01 is currently going through. The only unknown variable is the timing of each of those phases. P0 for GTA02 has not begun yet as far as I know. Sep 06 04:23:02 GTA01 is currently in P1 phase. Sep 06 04:23:11 P2 phase is user functional Sep 06 04:23:51 draw the timelines, and make your own conclusions as to whether the previously announced October date is feasible or not. Sep 06 04:23:59 Oh, I see, so the supposed October release is for GTA01 user functional or GTA02 P0? Sep 06 04:24:11 that is unclear. Sep 06 04:24:12 lol, kind of mixed up Sep 06 04:24:13 okok Sep 06 04:24:15 I see Sep 06 04:24:54 I personally (and I have no inside information) expect November GTA02 P0, January GTA02 P1, and no idea for GTA02 P2. Sep 06 04:25:09 I'd bet the GTA02 iteration is faster. Sep 06 04:25:18 Since it'll build on the GTA01 UI work. Sep 06 04:25:34 That doesn't get you to P0 or P1 any quicker. Sep 06 04:25:36 so are the phases within the same device (say GTA02) just software modifications? Sep 06 04:25:48 or does it also include hardware changes? Sep 06 04:25:58 (I was also unclear on that) Sep 06 04:25:59 Akuma: P0 to P1 included hardware changes for GTA01 Sep 06 04:26:05 Ok Sep 06 04:27:18 That's interesting :D Well, hopefully we won't have to wait too long Sep 06 04:27:24 I'm really eager to get my hands on one Sep 06 04:27:28 Until everyone has reliable, rock solid GSM (including 850MHz), GPS, etc functionality working on P1 GTA02, you can't guarantee that a P1 release doesn't require hardware changes to get to 2. Sep 06 04:27:45 maybe the process needs to be made public and well documented Sep 06 04:27:49 (oh, wifi too) Sep 06 04:28:06 (wifi is the main reason why I rather wait for GTA02) Sep 06 04:28:11 in terms of milestones, phases and current status Sep 06 04:42:11 Akuma, if u want wifi... a good idea Sep 06 04:45:16 moin Sep 06 04:52:38 l Sep 06 04:54:57 I just finished oding an update, and the NEO is now very unstable Sep 06 04:55:31 It booted up 2/5 only, the rest hang on the "Please wait while the UI starts up..." Sep 06 04:55:46 It hang 2/3 times on shutdown Sep 06 04:56:21 gcb77: Yes, recent images seem flaky Sep 06 04:58:41 CM I had flashed with 0831 images, and it was stable until I did ipkg update/upgrade Sep 06 05:15:20 gcb77: the latest kernel has issues for me too Sep 06 05:15:30 the modem power frobs usb networking on & off now Sep 06 05:15:37 that's very irritating Sep 06 05:52:41 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Introduction/es]] [[Introduction]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Removal_of_free_space]] Sep 06 05:55:30 http://www.fukung.net/images/6129/LOL_check.jpg Sep 06 05:58:37 doc|home: Is it just me or is it e to the power of ipi instead of 2pi? Sep 06 05:59:24 abraxa_: that's not the point :( (and I don't know :) ) Sep 06 06:04:34 abraxa_: 2*pi is good, you only need the i if you want the imaginary part too (or are calculating angles) Sep 06 06:08:59 abraxa_: from another channel: <*******> also known as the "dumb ass who can't tell a 2 from an i" check commentary Sep 06 06:09:23 CM: How is 2pi good? e^(ipi) = e^i * e^pi = e^(-1) * 23.14 Sep 06 06:09:40 doc|home: Ah, heh... guess I'm not the only one then Sep 06 06:11:44 abraxa_: yeah :) Sep 06 06:13:21 e ^ (i*pi) = -1 Sep 06 06:14:10 so the cheque is for two cents Sep 06 06:15:35 cheriff: Yep, you're right - wonder how I messed that one up Sep 06 06:16:27 abraxa_: If you're in my timezone (wich I doubt) it's 8:16 in the morning and not the right time for maths ;) Sep 06 06:16:46 heh, it's been a while for me too, had to get google to verify before saying anything :) Sep 06 06:16:55 It's 11:16pm here so not the right time for math here either, I guess ;) Sep 06 06:16:55 Hehe Sep 06 06:17:24 i guess 16:16 must be the good time for maths then :) Sep 06 06:17:40 Or 3:14pm Sep 06 06:18:36 good morning Sep 06 06:19:12 morning is good (confirmed) Sep 06 06:19:29 good? hm... gray here. Sep 06 06:22:11 bluesky, green rolling hills, cool temprature. Sep 06 06:22:20 doesn't matter, it's also gray here, good Sep 06 06:22:57 folken, sounds nice countryside? Sep 06 06:23:47 Any_key|work: currently commuting to work via train, from small city to larger city. (olten) -> (Basel) Sep 06 06:24:32 folken, hey nice, train sounds Sep 06 06:25:31 Any_key|work: unfortunatly switzerland has hitech trains.. therefore almost no sound at all. :) Sep 06 06:26:08 ruins all the fun. Sep 06 06:27:00 folken, come here to Russia, we have nice wild trains with LOT of sound. Sep 06 06:27:11 I made the mistake of putting gsmd stop/start in matchbox session after new kernel upgrades Sep 06 06:27:14 folken, not domesticated ones Sep 06 06:27:22 Not it hangs every single time at startup Sep 06 06:27:36 and it does not respond to ssh either :( Sep 06 06:28:43 Any_key|work: ah yes, that would be _very_ different indeed. Sep 06 06:28:58 gcb77: init=/bin/sh maybe? Sep 06 06:29:09 * Any_key|work greens Sep 06 06:29:40 folken: from uboot menu? Sep 06 06:30:05 gcb77: via usb-serial ? Sep 06 06:30:49 from uboot yes. Sep 06 06:31:48 can you do that without a debug board? Sep 06 06:32:04 yep, ttyACM0 during boot and hit a key to halt uboot Sep 06 06:32:14 you gotta be quick Sep 06 06:32:53 got to use serial comm program on host side, right? any suggestions? Sep 06 06:33:04 rwhitby: or you can just hold the aux key and then press power Sep 06 06:33:23 gcb77: minicom works fine. Sep 06 06:33:24 gcb77: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Accessing_the_bootloader_prompt Sep 06 06:33:34 polz: yeah, that too - I'm used to doing it remotely :-) Sep 06 06:34:21 folken: awesome, thank you Sep 06 06:34:38 gcb77: np Sep 06 06:35:55 folken: can you open a window manually on one of these new-fangled trains ? Sep 06 06:41:21 grr, always something... openSuSE doesn't know of cu RPM Sep 06 06:48:44 ckermin work ok Sep 06 06:48:51 s/ckermin/ckermit/ Sep 06 06:48:51 gcb77 meant: ckermit work ok Sep 06 06:59:43 hmm, that's interesting, I dont have bootargs only bootargs_base Sep 06 07:00:10 mornin' Sep 06 07:00:24 hi... Sep 06 07:01:05 gcb77: the 'boot' command builds bootargs just before starting the kernel Sep 06 07:01:50 I see Sep 06 07:13:05 morning Sep 06 07:14:16 anyone know if there's a new snapshot image coming soon? Sep 06 07:53:41 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] Sep 06 08:48:11 umm, is there going to be GTA01 P2? Sep 06 08:48:54 GTA02 = P2 Sep 06 08:55:37 actually, GTA02 will remain in P1 at first since the software won't likely be ready when the hw is Sep 06 08:55:49 (or so the Moko guys have indicated) Sep 06 08:56:39 hopefully once GTA02 hardware is done they will have time to focus back on the sw Sep 06 08:59:25 What does P1/ P2 mean? Sep 06 08:59:33 phase Sep 06 08:59:53 Phase 1 was Developer release, and Phase 2 was supposed to be retail Sep 06 09:00:18 CM: /was/? Sep 06 09:00:19 Still is I guess, but I can't imagine that it will be in october (at least not this year ;) Sep 06 09:00:54 As mjr said, I guess they need a P1 with gta02 too Sep 06 09:01:32 hopefully they do. i don't care if the software is not fully done... :) Sep 06 09:02:25 i reckon once the dialing/sms works most hackers will start to use the neo as their main phone and that will result in much more 3rd party app work Sep 06 09:04:43 Psi_: I agree.. Once the build system is at least somewhat stable and the base libs work things will speed up :) Sep 06 09:05:02 Okay, I thought that was the case, but wanted to make sure. Sep 06 09:05:55 Psi_, yeah that has kinda reduced my motivation too, that I can't use it as a very basic and power-hungry phone even with gritting teeth Sep 06 09:06:34 Personally, I think I strongly agree with the fact that the primary thing the company needs is a stable peice of hardware, that is as open as possible, once that is provided, then work on the software. Sep 06 09:06:43 openmoko: 03werner * r2930 10/developers/werner/sandw.ps: Holes for "sandwich" board stack holders. Sep 06 09:06:46 how can I force OM2007.2 to build, using Debian Sid, filed at webkit Sep 06 09:07:55 s/filed/failed/g Sep 06 09:07:56 Any_key|work meant: how can I force OM2007.2 to build, using Debian Sid, failed at webkit Sep 06 09:08:20 Any_key|work: currently mine fails much earlier: at qemu... Sep 06 09:08:23 I think there is slightly too much pressure from "the community" to get every thing now. The openness in some ways, is a detriment. Sep 06 09:09:00 if the p1 isn't stable hardware then they didn't test properly. Sep 06 09:09:15 heh, just loaded the keyboard twice by accident Sep 06 09:09:16 personally I think it's software problems Sep 06 09:09:18 apt: Hey there Sep 06 09:09:19 hmm... there is not here Sep 06 09:09:32 apt: I am getting the same glibc linking error with webkit on Debian Etch Sep 06 09:09:33 it is my pleasure to meet you, getting the same glibc linking error with webkit on Debian Etch Sep 06 09:09:43 lol Sep 06 09:10:02 apt, OMG Sep 06 09:10:03 omg is probably what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God Sep 06 09:10:24 Any idea how to resolve the build error yet..? Sep 06 09:10:45 I never said any hardware was unstable Sep 06 09:11:03 CORBA coulda rocked Sep 06 09:11:05 .. it also doesn't help that with each build/update we seem to take 6 steps backeards Sep 06 09:11:10 instead it titaniced Sep 06 09:11:13 backwards Sep 06 09:12:05 nab, not yet, tried to install every QT related .dev package, till now it doesn't helped Sep 06 09:12:58 Hmmmm Sep 06 09:13:37 Has that build failure been added to bugzilla..? Sep 06 09:14:42 don't think so Sep 06 09:15:23 If someone has the errot output handy, please add it Sep 06 09:15:27 s/errot/error Sep 06 09:15:42 Otherwise, when I get back to my devel machine tomorrow, I can post the log Sep 06 09:17:05 I just installed libwebkitgdk-dev libwebkitgdk-dev libkjsembed-dev, let's see Sep 06 09:17:37 ScaredyCat, your link on the wiki to http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/scaredycat.conf is now dead Sep 06 09:18:04 I'm in th middle of rsyncing Psi_ Sep 06 09:18:09 ah, ok :) Sep 06 09:18:51 I finished a build this morning, synced last night Sep 06 09:19:06 nab, NAH !!! Sep 06 09:19:46 Only one problem on amd64 and that was binutils-cross, fixed by this http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928 Sep 06 09:22:11 nab, http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=784 Sep 06 09:24:19 Any_key|work: Hmm, the one I am seeing are linker failures a shared library.. Sep 06 09:24:27 * nab does not recall which .so that was Sep 06 09:24:35 Like libuico.so or something Sep 06 09:24:59 Anyways, gotta head to sleep. :P Sep 06 09:25:02 I will follow up tomorrow Sep 06 09:25:04 Thanks folks Sep 06 09:25:09 I got libicui18n.so Sep 06 09:25:19 Any_key|work: There we go Sep 06 09:25:22 Thats it Sep 06 09:25:33 GN nab Sep 06 09:25:46 * nab needs to brush up on his shared library names Sep 06 09:25:47 :-) Sep 06 09:25:48 GN Sep 06 09:29:26 nab: That fix is in bugzilla too Sep 06 09:33:12 Psi_: done Sep 06 09:39:38 :) Sep 06 09:53:41 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[P1_Owners]] Sep 06 10:12:13 booh Sep 06 10:18:07 hm, lunch, what to eat? Sep 06 10:24:22 I have sausage and mash :) Sep 06 10:58:09 morning Sep 06 11:00:15 morning Sep 06 11:53:41 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973]] [[Applications]] [[User:CesarB/Requirements]] [[Talk:Neo1973]] Sep 06 11:56:44 mhm. is fakeroot problematic with anyone else? it seems patching it fails here. Sep 06 12:00:08 ixs known.. mompls Sep 06 12:00:37 roh: no problem, fixed it locally. Sep 06 12:00:45 i just wanted to see if it's only me. Sep 06 12:02:01 some patch gets applied twice.. remove the line from fakeroot-native to get it building clean Sep 06 12:02:38 yeah, that's what I already did locally. Sep 06 12:19:07 roh: pushed fakeroot fix Sep 06 12:19:44 XorA thanks Sep 06 12:20:19 XorA i had quite some time tonight with bb. seems i slowly get how it works Sep 06 12:25:07 can you write some docs then :) Sep 06 12:29:07 no... there are docs.. which did not help me.. i will rather work with somebody who really can write howtos. Sep 06 12:29:32 the dosc on the oe site have big chunks missing... Sep 06 12:29:36 docs Sep 06 12:31:12 ScaredyCat: we are hackers, not authors Sep 06 12:32:03 that's th worst excuse ever Sep 06 12:32:06 the Sep 06 12:32:39 I'm not a landscape gardener, but I can mow the grass Sep 06 12:33:16 ScaredyCat: does it look as good as a well crafted garden? I doubt it. Well then apply same logic to the OE docs Sep 06 12:34:05 you don't need to write good docs, you just need to explain stuff so that someone who can write good docs can do it... Sep 06 12:34:12 it always amazes me that people who don't write docs think that others are awesome doc writers just by some mirical that they can write C code Sep 06 12:34:23 as it stands .bb files are spaghetti Sep 06 12:34:39 I do write docs Sep 06 12:34:41 welcome to the real world of code Sep 06 12:34:56 no, that's the myth you like to ide behind Sep 06 12:36:03 ScaredyCat: wow its amazing you are so arrogant you know my whole education CV and skillset Sep 06 12:36:25 well, either you can read or write or you can't Sep 06 12:36:32 if you can - you can write docs... Sep 06 12:36:35 it's that simple Sep 06 12:37:09 * XorA hmms, my friend is a top selling author, he makes millions, I am not, I write crappy code for less than millions, do you think if I was a good writer I would do coding? Sep 06 12:37:26 make flash-qemu-local seems somewhat broken in flash.sh. Sep 06 12:37:29 known problem? Sep 06 12:37:57 ixs: What's the problem? Sep 06 12:38:02 Last I heard it worked Sep 06 12:38:09 XorA: you just don;t get it do you Sep 06 12:38:25 ScaredyCat: It's not that hard to write documentation, but it's painfully boring Sep 06 12:38:30 CM: the sleep binary is being called here with parameters which seem to belong into the uboot environment... Sep 06 12:38:38 $2 is populated with the wrong stuff. Sep 06 12:38:53 I know that CM ... but the point is XorA is trying to make out that it's difficult. Sep 06 12:38:54 I'd demand twice my pay if was supposed to write docs instead of code Sep 06 12:39:05 ScaredyCat: I do, but I also contribute, if you hate the docs that much get your arse in gear and do some work, dont whine at me, telling me Im a brilliant author when that is horses shit Sep 06 12:39:21 as I said, XorA doesn't need to write good docs, just ones that someone else can use to learn and write better ones Sep 06 12:39:27 CM: see http://pastebin.ca/683918 Sep 06 12:40:20 ixs: Hmm.. That sure looks weird. Sep 06 12:40:22 XorA: what I'm telling you is that if you write something to explain the spaghetti that .bb;s are I *WILL* write the fucking docs Sep 06 12:40:56 If rwhitby is around you should notify him about it. I don't know what's wrong with that Sep 06 12:41:28 * CM gives ScaredyCat a punching bag to release some aggression on Sep 06 12:41:29 that doesn;t look good ixs Sep 06 12:41:49 thanks... Sep 06 12:41:52 ScaredyCat: agreed. Sep 06 12:42:07 I've been wading though the oe docs... :/ Sep 06 12:42:38 CM: mhm, check line 72 and 73. that normal? Sep 06 12:42:50 ScaredyCat, what docs are you talking about? Sep 06 12:43:08 oe Sep 06 12:43:17 ixs: What dir are you building in? Sep 06 12:43:41 CM: come again? Sep 06 12:44:11 ixs: Where do you run make flash-qemu-image? In /NotBackedUp/moko/? Sep 06 12:44:12 cb22: this is a good example on the .bb format.... http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Bbfile Sep 06 12:44:17 CM: jupp Sep 06 12:44:57 ixs: And you don't have any u-boot in /NotBackedUp/moko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/? Sep 06 12:45:12 Have you masked the building of u-boot or something? Sep 06 12:45:22 CM: correct. There's uImage et al though. Sep 06 12:45:27 nope, nothing manually masked... Sep 06 12:45:30 Arghh... !! Sep 06 12:45:45 ScaredyCat: helpful, though, I don't think it's fare to refer to that as spaghetti, spaghetti has content :) Sep 06 12:45:47 * CM is spammed by a year backlog of muine-ml mails Sep 06 12:46:24 lol douglasf__ - that was a non example of spaghetti Sep 06 12:46:34 ixs: Strange.. I know mickeyl did something with the u-boot deps last night, but I didn't pay attention to what Sep 06 12:46:59 ixs: Try building uboot and see if that helps? Sep 06 12:46:59 CM: mhm. maybne we just wait till he's back. ETA? Sep 06 12:47:27 ScaredyCat: Documentation does suck though, so tedius, but it does need doing. Sep 06 12:49:27 I'm happy to help with the docs... but I need the inital assistance understanding Sep 06 12:50:05 ScaredyCat: Same here.. Sep 06 12:50:41 ScaredyCat: I know :\ Sep 06 12:52:25 I should update this page too http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro Sep 06 12:53:05 Or someone should at least. It's not exactly up to date with the requirements for bb-1.8.x Sep 06 12:53:17 sqlite3 and pysqlite2 for example Sep 06 12:53:49 Or maybe that should go in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ? Sep 06 12:55:17 ScaredyCat: It will be interesting to see the documentation for the Neo when it comes out Sep 06 12:55:26 If GTA02 = P2 Sep 06 12:57:22 hehehhe Sep 06 12:58:04 CM, ixs: the flash script is written and maintained by someone in OM, not by me. Sep 06 12:58:19 rwhitby: Ah, ok Sep 06 12:58:26 ic Sep 06 13:00:42 if we need to make sure that u-boot is built before qemu stuff, then I can probably help with that ... Sep 06 13:01:05 (once I verify that uboot-openmoko builds for me today - it hasn't for the last couple of days) Sep 06 13:22:33 openmoko: 03thomas * r2931 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokogsmd2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Sep 06 13:22:33 openmoko: * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c: Sep 06 13:22:33 openmoko: * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.h: Sep 06 13:22:33 openmoko: Add GError to moko_gsmd_connection_set_antenna_power () Sep 06 13:26:12 * rwhitby spies a possible fix to the GSM panel killing bug Sep 06 13:27:38 openmoko: 03thomas * r2932 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Sep 06 13:27:38 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (moko_dialer_class_init), (moko_dialer_init): Sep 06 13:27:38 openmoko: - Add support for displaying GError messages Sep 06 13:27:38 openmoko: - Handle new GError in moko_gsmd_connection_set_antenna_power () Sep 06 13:30:30 blah! Sep 06 13:31:16 a thing about the gui, there's no simple back-button? Sep 06 13:36:20 is there a work-around to build qemu? Sep 06 13:40:22 emdete: what is exactly failing? fakeroot-native? Sep 06 13:42:28 hello Sep 06 13:43:17 is there anybode patient enough to ask a lame question? (I wasn´t able to find answer at the wiki) Sep 06 13:43:17 Vozka: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Sep 06 13:43:51 hehe, better ask than ask to ask ;-) Sep 06 13:45:22 redundant questions. very anoying. ;) Sep 06 13:48:54 ixs: qemu build: /home/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070613-r5/qemu/linux-user/syscall.c:296: error: `ENOKEY' undeclared here (not in a function)... and so on Sep 06 13:50:09 oh dear.. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472370#c2 Sep 06 13:50:22 emdete: never seen that but sounds as if you're missing some header file. Sep 06 13:51:04 Vozka: what is the question... ? or was that hte question? Sep 06 13:51:21 ixs: no, there is no error before that... and i did a complete clean-run several times now... Sep 06 13:51:48 ScaredyCat, how does the 3d acceleration on Neo1973 work? Will there be any possibility to port OpenGL applications? Sep 06 13:53:10 The driver is developed by FIC Sep 06 13:53:19 as the datasheet of the chip is under NDA Sep 06 13:53:20 ixs: so you compile and do not have that error? Sep 06 13:53:36 emdete: yeah Sep 06 13:53:39 Vozka: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals Sep 06 13:53:46 err Sep 06 13:53:59 that's an accelerometer, not a 3D graphics accel Sep 06 13:54:00 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Accessories]] [[Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices]] [[SettingsGUI]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] Sep 06 13:54:05 ixs: i did rm -rf...; wget ...; make ... (all the steps needed). hm. probably the box... Sep 06 13:54:29 yes, i was talking about 3d graphics acceleration ;) Sep 06 13:55:03 Stephmw: *lol* Sep 06 13:55:47 Vozka: openGL will presumably be how it's done. Sep 06 13:56:05 ~bame SpeedEvil for that link Sep 06 13:56:15 GLES is more likely Sep 06 13:56:15 ~blame SpeedEvil for that link Sep 06 13:56:16 * apt blames chihchun and perhaps SpeedEvil for that link and all the evil in the world Sep 06 13:56:29 But it can only be implemented by FIC - so all features that the chip supports may not function immediately. Sep 06 13:56:34 ? Sep 06 13:57:03 chihchun: apt can't just blame SpeedEvil can he? :D Sep 06 13:57:26 SpeedEvil: how far is the driver anyway? is 2d acc. working in x11? Sep 06 13:58:03 without hardware that is hard to say Sep 06 13:58:50 emdete: afaik, there's not much of a driver at all yet Sep 06 13:59:45 CM: the nice diplay kills the animation of my app ;) so i really would like to see 2d acc. ... Sep 06 14:00:02 openmoko: 03thomas * r2933 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Sep 06 14:00:02 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked): Inform user if dialer is busy Sep 06 14:00:02 openmoko: or network is not registered when attempting to dial Sep 06 14:00:37 Heh, 2d acc will not be a problem. At least if I remember correctly what the people involved have said Sep 06 14:01:12 hmmm, first neo hits ebay Sep 06 14:01:28 thought there was one already Sep 06 14:01:32 CM, i hope you remembered correctly :) Sep 06 14:02:40 cjb_ie: Hmm.. You might be right on that. I guess we'll hear about it soon anyway :) Sep 06 14:02:49 hi there. Sep 06 14:03:18 off topic: this way i may have learned math in school http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/substitute.png *g* Sep 06 14:04:01 xkcd rules Sep 06 14:04:35 cb22_: Sure does :) Sep 06 14:08:53 No. Sep 06 14:09:04 As I understand it only raw framebuffer has been done. Sep 06 14:09:33 If the team size in FIC does not increase, I'd expect it to be completed sometime 2009 Sep 06 14:09:42 Hehe Sep 06 14:09:47 SpeedEvil, thats what you'd expect Sep 06 14:10:02 however, one month before the release it would be delayed by 2 more years :p Sep 06 14:10:09 heh Sep 06 14:10:31 team size will increase soon. i wouldn't worry about these 2d drivers. once we announce who's going to write them you will be reliefed :D Sep 06 14:10:48 mickeyl: That's good news indeed! :) Sep 06 14:10:50 stop eating burrgers then Sep 06 14:10:53 nice Sep 06 14:11:01 :) Sep 06 14:11:32 mickeyl: Can you clarify what the earlist possible sales of GTA02 to developers might be - if everything falls right. Sep 06 14:11:43 I'm assuming it's not october. Sep 06 14:11:45