**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 12 02:59:56 2007 Sep 12 04:39:31 moin Sep 12 05:01:56 hey Sep 12 05:02:14 I get an error while compiling my openmoko-devel-image: | configure: error: cannot find sources (gdbmdefs.h) in /media/nfs/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/gdbm-native-1.8.3-r2/gdbm-1.8.3 or .. Sep 12 05:02:22 can anyone help me? Sep 12 05:03:07 uuhm.. youre building via nfs? Sep 12 05:06:53 roh: well, the files are remote, but that shouldn't be the problem Sep 12 05:08:06 edistar that sometimes provokes strange things... did you try rebuilding gdbm-native? Sep 12 05:08:21 make rebuild-package-gdbm-native Sep 12 05:08:30 if youre on mokomakefile Sep 12 05:09:35 roh: yes, I am Sep 12 05:09:38 I'll try Sep 12 05:11:24 roh: same error: configure: error: cannot find sources (gdbmdefs.h) in /media/nfs/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/gdbm-native-1.8.3-r2/gdbm-1.8.3 Sep 12 05:19:39 roh: a bit strange, it tells me at the beginning that it's building for i486 altough local.conf has i686 configured, and then it looks for */i686-linux/gdbm*/ Sep 12 05:23:03 edistar: I know people have had problems with that before Sep 12 05:23:14 But not sure if it was gdbm. Sep 12 05:23:23 Try building for i486 maybe? Sep 12 05:24:32 CM: just change i686 to i486? Sep 12 05:25:07 If I remember correctly, someone here said they got around their problem that way Sep 12 05:25:29 I'm a bitbake newbie myself and haven't really set myself into it yet Sep 12 05:27:28 HI, the kernel driver of USB serial converter chip in debug board v2 is what? It seems that my kernel can't recognise it Sep 12 05:28:29 I should remember what I had to change, but I did it 2 month ago.. Sep 12 05:28:34 Is it in the wiki? Sep 12 05:29:37 CM: if you remember, please tell me ;) Sep 12 05:30:48 Device Drivers -> USB support -> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support Sep 12 05:31:17 The wiki says the usb to serial chip is part of FT2232, but where is the driver of it? Sep 12 05:31:38 agui: The one I just mentioned :) Sep 12 05:32:29 It's an usb modem, and you connect to /dev/ttyACM0 Sep 12 05:35:25 Do you mean use drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c? Sep 12 05:38:07 Oh, sorry.. Guess I'm not really awake :( Sep 12 05:38:19 agui: Didn't see that you said the debug board Sep 12 05:39:27 agui: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2 Sep 12 05:41:41 I have read that WiKi, everything is ok except that there is no /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1 device file or something else appear Sep 12 05:42:04 agui: Ok, then it's the usb modem drivers I guess Sep 12 05:42:47 Try adding them, and if that's not enough, wait around a bit until the other people who have debug boards and know more wake up ;) Sep 12 05:44:08 Hi, I got the kernel message "drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem" Sep 12 05:44:52 I just have a Neo, and it's a modem, but I don't know about the debug board Sep 12 05:45:11 agui thats normal. it just means that is just a serial and nothing with ri and cd lines Sep 12 05:45:53 CM: thank you a lot Sep 12 05:46:12 agui for the debugboard use this: Sep 12 05:46:15 modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118 Sep 12 05:46:27 agui: np, but roh is someone who really knows :) Sep 12 05:46:59 then it detects the debugboard as 2 serials and as soon as openocd starts the first one vanishes. the second one is where the real serial console of the moko comes out Sep 12 05:47:06 Ok, I will try, thanks! :) Sep 12 05:47:30 agui: That part was in the wiki too ;) Sep 12 06:17:41 hi Sep 12 06:52:55 ...still building! Task 1993... hope this will last till the end of that build Sep 12 07:24:37 boo Sep 12 07:42:50 hi raster... Sep 12 07:43:48 emdete, yoyo Sep 12 07:46:00 * bedboi is away: sleep mode Sep 12 07:48:57 raster: we are playing around with edje, performance is indeed better than expected... Sep 12 07:49:04 raster: but development is a pain ;) Sep 12 07:49:13 aarg Sep 12 07:49:24 have to run. Sep 12 07:49:34 would love to chat. Sep 12 07:49:45 meeting foo Sep 12 07:49:54 :D Sep 12 08:06:45 I tried to build a *ext2 image of OpenMoko, but I get this error: genext2fs: couldn't allocate a block (no free space) Sep 12 08:07:11 where I can change the size? Sep 12 08:12:56 heh... harald used SOCK_SEQPACKET in gsmd/libgsmd.. which means that only works with > 2.6.4 Sep 12 08:25:20 re Sep 12 08:40:14 oh, now there are free tools for unlocking the iphone. Sep 12 08:40:53 is someone working on a openmokoport already? :) Sep 12 08:47:01 :-) Sep 12 08:47:52 1,5 months. not bad, although I actually thought it would be faster Sep 12 08:49:07 nslu2-linux is porting Optware to the iphone Sep 12 08:49:29 http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/optware/trunk/platforms/toolchain-iphone.mk Sep 12 08:50:40 free iphones for 399, not a bad deal at all Sep 12 08:50:43 hhf423: 1,5 months until phase2 sells? Sep 12 08:51:20 dcordes_: you wish. 1,5 months from iphone sales to unlock Sep 12 08:51:38 399? where did you get that price from? Sep 12 08:51:42 hmmmmmmm Sep 12 08:51:55 I need one badly Sep 12 08:52:02 you have to add 2 years contract... Sep 12 08:52:11 emdete: 399 is the price of an iphone and unlocking is now free Sep 12 08:52:33 emdete: you do not have to add a 2 years contract. you never had to do that. Sep 12 08:52:51 emdete: you were supposed to, but thats not the same Sep 12 08:52:52 hhf423: so the contract starts with the activation oonly? Sep 12 08:53:29 emdete: yes. you buy the phone without contract, then usually choose a contract upon activation. Sep 12 08:53:48 hey guys Sep 12 08:53:51 hhf423: wow, that's different Sep 12 08:54:03 now the neo seems to be very, very expensive Sep 12 08:54:07 i have a question Sep 12 08:54:25 emdete: where did you get the impression that it was different? Sep 12 08:54:41 hhf423: i thought the contract starts with the purchase Sep 12 08:54:46 i was building that new devel-enviorment Sep 12 08:54:58 and got this finally: Sep 12 08:55:02 | checking for MOKOUI... configure: error: Package requirements (libmokoui2 vte) were not met: Sep 12 08:55:02 | Sep 12 08:55:02 | No package 'vte' found Sep 12 08:55:13 emdete: well, after the massive (33%) price cut from apple, the Neo is actually expensive, feature wise. If you do not count the value of GPL drivers etc. Sep 12 08:55:27 hhf423: who does.... Sep 12 08:55:55 RalphEichelberge: I'm updating now, I'll see if I get that error too Sep 12 08:55:59 emdete: no, that was never the case. Thats the big different from iphone to other phones brought in the states, in the shop, you just buy the phone. Sep 12 08:56:19 RalphEichelberge, try to build vte first Sep 12 08:56:40 well, how? Sep 12 08:57:00 bitbake vte Sep 12 08:57:12 hhf423: actually, I do. I think there is value in open drivers and such. But of course the question is how many people care and how much (as in $$$ much) they care :-) Sep 12 08:57:24 openmoko@openmoko-celsius:~/moko$ bitbake vte Sep 12 08:57:24 ERROR: Please set the 'CACHE' variable. Sep 12 08:57:55 RalphEichelberge, i don't know how to do that with mokomakefile Sep 12 08:57:59 hhf423: shure, me too. but fic looks for mass market Sep 12 08:58:46 RalphEichelberge: you need to source ./setup-env first Sep 12 08:59:30 well i dont know enough about the building process Sep 12 08:59:38 the MokoMakefile wiki page shows how to run bitbake manually - have you read it? Sep 12 09:00:10 emdete: right. that will only work with a cool device (hardware) and cool software. And because they do not have the cachet/prestige of Apple, even with the same featureset and slickness of GUI they will have to charge less Sep 12 09:00:16 well i read the wiki - but u know it has many sites :) Sep 12 09:00:28 i will search for that Sep 12 09:01:20 ok rwhitby ist baking Sep 12 09:01:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile under "Developing with MokoMakefile" - I guess part of that could be moved to an earlier section. Sep 12 09:01:41 what is vte anyway? Sep 12 09:01:52 Please add it where you would have expected to see it on that page. Sep 12 09:02:28 well that page i found serveral times in wiki Sep 12 09:02:48 and i have read it too Sep 12 09:03:20 but you know - there are new aspects to the same manual every time to have a new issue :) Sep 12 09:05:11 hhf423: shure, cool device is important. but when i show the neo around most people don't like it very much. okay, the included gps is great for some but the display and the high edge around is really ugly Sep 12 09:11:06 RalphEichelberge: vte = virtual terminal emulation Sep 12 09:13:23 libmokogsmd2 seems broken now.. Sep 12 09:13:58 http://rafb.net/p/OoeKHb43.html Sep 12 09:17:31 i guys Sep 12 09:18:15 ello :) Sep 12 09:18:26 i Marcin :D Sep 12 09:19:41 someone remember which uboot rev is safe to use? Sep 12 09:20:20 2007.8 snapshot Sep 12 09:22:18 ok Sep 12 09:24:04 hi all Sep 12 09:25:32 I have a question, I have upgraded packages from buildhost.openmoko.org and since then stopping gsmdaemon hangs whole phone, does anybody know this bug? Sep 12 09:25:50 zdanek, yup, same here Sep 12 09:26:14 see http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 maybe? Sep 12 09:26:35 zdanek, can't even do ipkg upgrade since it restarts deamon when upgrading =P Sep 12 09:26:46 Sep 12 11:25:45 home kernel: [55434.961200] usb 2-2: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd dfu-util rqt 161 rq 3 len 6 ret -62 Sep 12 09:26:49 argh Sep 12 09:29:41 yes, that's the bug Sep 12 09:32:23 by the way I'll ask my old question did someone manage to make gprs connection on 2007.2? Sep 12 09:32:37 zdanek: there is doc in wiki Sep 12 09:32:43 especially hrw because you have polish sim Sep 12 09:33:03 I have some problems as I wrote on community mail list Sep 12 09:33:07 (PL) Sep 12 09:33:17 emdete: yes, thats right Sep 12 09:33:23 * hrw do not read community too often Sep 12 09:33:28 :) Sep 12 09:33:33 zdanek: see "Phase 1 software testing" in the wiki Sep 12 09:34:03 I have Sep 12 09:34:03 [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Sep 12 09:34:03 and then Sep 12 09:34:03 tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 964) Sep 12 09:34:05 zdanek: did you do the change to boot variables? Sep 12 09:34:22 sorry, what do you mean? Sep 12 09:34:34 zdanek: I also get that gprs error sometimes, I usually have to try two to five times Sep 12 09:35:16 I tried many times, never successful Sep 12 09:35:25 zdanek: did you remove "console=ttySAC0,115200" from bootargs_base while in uboot? Sep 12 09:35:33 weird. I found a totally broken island but the rendering was fine. I assume someone has broken is recently Sep 12 09:36:45 hhf423: nope Sep 12 09:38:29 * hrw wants Neo1973 holder from carkit Sep 12 09:41:18 hhf423: I briefly red wiki's Phase 1 soft testing and i'll try to fix some probles at my neo Sep 12 09:41:27 but suddenly I found this http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0c933096b179fc81f91595ccf4d3e681.png Sep 12 09:41:33 what's this app? Sep 12 09:41:39 any heard about gconf support in python? in debian it comes from python-gnome2 and gnome-python Sep 12 09:42:15 zdanek: thats "SettingsGui", look it up in the wiki Sep 12 09:43:34 hhf423: thank you Sep 12 09:45:25 zdanek: from the same author there is also "smstool" which will allow you to send sms via gui Sep 12 09:46:18 thx :D Sep 12 09:54:40 mickey|sports: ping Sep 12 09:54:41 hi Sep 12 09:54:52 hi Sep 12 10:11:45 ok, just updated neo...now X hangs instead of libgsmd =P Sep 12 10:15:20 jeddy3: did you remove "console=ttySAC0,115200" from bootargs_base while in uboot? Sep 12 10:15:56 hhf423, aah no :| Sep 12 10:20:06 jeddy3: you also need to find a black chicken and kill it under full moon Sep 12 10:20:16 hhf423, xD Sep 12 10:22:31 hhf423, you have any reference to that uboot fix? Sep 12 10:23:32 jeddy3: err, its in one of the bugs in bugzilla, let me check Sep 12 10:25:06 788 over and over Sep 12 10:26:56 !ombug 788 Sep 12 10:27:13 wow, Gravenreuth muss in den knast? Sep 12 10:27:17 oops, sorry Sep 12 10:28:25 oh! it's same bug as before...didn't behave the same though :| Sep 12 10:28:42 thanks for help, hhf423, tuukkah Sep 12 10:29:52 jeddy3: welcome Sep 12 10:37:27 mickeyl: should mokomakefile build the frozen version uboot-openmoko, or from uboot-openmoko_svn.bb, or should we create a new frozen version (cause the existing frozen version doesn't patch for me) Sep 12 10:40:01 mickeyl: also, when are you guys going to institute a fixed SRCREV in each _svn file, which gets bumped by the author when a new svn revision has been tested? Sep 12 10:40:16 (or alternatively, in a preferred-openmoko-versions file) Sep 12 10:42:30 rwhitby: the frozen version should be preferred. it builds fine here, btw. Sep 12 10:42:43 Hmm. Sep 12 10:42:58 fixed SRCREVs would be nice. hopefully next month, when the OE dude starts Sep 12 10:43:28 do you agree with the bumping of a srcrev equating to some rudimentary testing of the new value? Sep 12 10:44:21 ya Sep 12 10:45:29 mickeyl: what's the latest thoughts in the core team about gsmd and removing kernel console= vs stty vs something else? (ombug 788) Sep 12 10:45:57 which should we be recommending to each new person who arrives here with the hung neo problem? Sep 12 10:46:15 rwhitby: my personal take on that is removing kernel console in environment Sep 12 10:46:19 i proposed this ages ago Sep 12 10:46:40 since i always had the gut feeling that the automatic switching was not perfectly working Sep 12 10:47:06 the relatively new complete hang finally proves my gut feeling :/ Sep 12 10:47:22 can we enable the fw_env tool so that people can modify the u-boot environment from userland? Sep 12 10:47:42 fw_env? Sep 12 10:48:01 yeah, userland tool that does printenv and setenv of the uboot environment variables Sep 12 10:48:31 interesting. why not just having someone download the fixed environment via dfu ? Sep 12 10:48:59 someone with a debug board should test whether dfu now correctly uploads Sep 12 10:49:18 then we could just take this uploaded env and put it online Sep 12 10:49:22 (after testing) Sep 12 10:49:36 What about the uboot_env? (mtdblock1) Sep 12 10:50:04 I've uploaded and then downloaded the uboot-env partition using dfu-util when I unbricked the neo from Sydney Sep 12 10:50:49 Guess I'll have to try that next Sep 12 10:51:19 Before, scp:ing a working env to the neo and dd it to /dev/mtdblock1 worked, but no longer Sep 12 10:51:23 rwhitby: could you include a check for the uboot image in qemu-flash-local? without that file flash.sh will fail horribly. Alternatively, just include build-package-uboot-openmoko as a prerequisite for qemu-flash-local. kthx. Sep 12 10:52:15 ixs: uboot is now built by image, so that problem should resolve itself. Sep 12 10:52:31 rwhitby: ahhh okay. in that case, nvm. .D Sep 12 10:54:34 rwhitby: pushing the frozen version to a new date Sep 12 10:54:55 thx Sep 12 10:57:39 hello! is "amd64 double core + fc6 + binutils-cross-2.17 + mokomakefile won't compile" a faq already? Sep 12 10:58:03 hmmmm Sep 12 10:59:35 rwhitby: can you put this known-working environment on the wiki please? Sep 12 10:59:35 Batalyx: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928 Sep 12 10:59:50 who ever did spread the rumour that recent uboot builds will not auto-poweroff after 30secs? they even do that in qemu? Sep 12 11:00:25 mickeyl: you mean the one that I flashed on the sydney brick? sure. which page? Sep 12 11:00:36 Batalyx, there can be many problems with builds Sep 12 11:00:56 rwhitby: does it still contains the serial console? Sep 12 11:01:05 CM: thanks. I'll try that... Sep 12 11:01:09 what's the easiest way for me to create and build my own version of gmsd or neod? Sep 12 11:01:19 mickeyl: it won't after I upload it again from my neo, then download it again to test it Sep 12 11:02:11 do i create a local overlay then what? Sep 12 11:02:16 rwhitby: well, perhaps it would be even better on the web. i guess i'll put it to the 2007.08 snapshot directory Sep 12 11:02:23 or hey Sep 12 11:02:26 right into OE :) Sep 12 11:02:29 hey zecke Sep 12 11:02:42 ixs: obviously someone with no ida Sep 12 11:02:58 zecke: right on your way to Holland? Sep 12 11:03:08 hhf423: yeah, someone even put that info into the wiki on SH1 Sep 12 11:03:15 mickeyl: you could put it in the openmoko svn, then I can add a mokomakefile target to dfu-util flash it Sep 12 11:03:47 ixs: setenv boot_menu_timeout 65000' to keep it from powering down Sep 12 11:03:50 mickeyl: yes! the train just departed and I found a power plug... Sep 12 11:04:23 * hhf423 congratulates zecke to have gotten a tain with poweroutlets Sep 12 11:04:30 train even Sep 12 11:04:45 hhf423: I know that command, but as I said, rumour is, that "broken uboot installs on some neos" power down Sep 12 11:04:57 the places for the disabled most of the time have poweroutlets... Sep 12 11:05:07 ixs: funny Sep 12 11:06:59 rwhitby: sounds good Sep 12 11:07:00 hhf423: "* Sep 12 11:07:01 Note: Some devices have been reported to turn off after a short period of inactivity while on the uboot menu. To avoid this, simply press the AUX button every 30 seconds or so. " Sep 12 11:07:10 from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko Sep 12 11:07:16 well Sep 12 11:07:24 it is like that Sep 12 11:07:35 turning off while inactive is standard Sep 12 11:07:50 turning off while a dfu-load is in progress would be a major bug Sep 12 11:07:58 i didn't see the latter one since months though Sep 12 11:07:58 yes, but "some devices"?! all devices! Sep 12 11:08:11 ya, some devices is bogus Sep 12 11:08:27 changing it Sep 12 11:08:34 thanks Sep 12 11:08:41 ixs: will you change that to all and put in something like unless you setenv boot_menu_timeout 65000' to keep it from powering down Sep 12 11:08:58 (saveenv afterwards) Sep 12 11:12:32 done http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Preparing_the_device_for_DFU_mode Sep 12 11:17:26 someone know how to disable GSM broadcast messages? Sep 12 11:18:19 You mean cell broadcasts2D? Sep 12 11:24:14 yes Sep 12 11:24:39 Heyah sends lot of them - mostly sex offers Sep 12 11:24:42 there is a way of saying 'I only want cell broadcasts that are x,y,z Sep 12 11:24:46 ID Sep 12 11:28:07 Batalyx, zipola, if you come to the flug-jkl meeting today we can hack on the neo Sep 12 11:29:44 I'm afraid I'll have to recover from flu yet another day. Sep 12 11:30:11 zipola: �h, make it a flu-jkl meeting :P Sep 12 11:30:44 * CM hides in shame in the corner after delivering that awful joke Sep 12 11:32:49 tuukkah: sorry, can't come there today Sep 12 11:32:53 hehe Sep 12 12:15:28 anyone know where i can get gst-meta-audio which openmoko-mediaplayer2 needs? Sep 12 12:19:53 ok the source is gst-meta-base Sep 12 12:53:29 morning Sep 12 13:07:40 hi kristian-m Sep 12 13:08:07 kristian-m: looks like gsmd and libgsmd became even more erratic after the last chenges Sep 12 13:08:24 good morning Sep 12 13:08:28 and yikes Sep 12 13:13:56 does AT+CSQ works in neo? Sep 12 13:15:49 hhf423 hmm, it'll develop - I'm implementing a passive access for settingsgui using the atcmd mode. - so stop interfering with gsmd in the next version... Sep 12 13:16:15 kristian-m: ah, thats probably a good idea Sep 12 13:17:54 hhf423 currently it initiates a power-on and register to the modem on connection Sep 12 13:17:57 hrw: yes - AT+CSQ will give you present signal quality - propritary command AT%CSQ IIRC enables unsolicited SQ reports Sep 12 13:20:39 thx Sep 12 13:34:59 * Sup3rkiddo has his neo delivered...dances up and down Sep 12 13:35:18 when order? Sep 12 13:36:13 SpeedEvil, that was long long long ago...3 days from the day it was announced Sep 12 13:37:25 Sup3rkiddo: Guess you got one from the new batch or? Sep 12 13:46:01 is the new batch different? Sep 12 13:47:50 CM, dunno mate, the insititute authorities are having it, i just got to touch it and had to give it to them...another 3 days to flash it Sep 12 13:50:08 ok Sep 12 13:58:08 hey all anyone getting screwed whilst building curl? Sep 12 14:00:12 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=813 Sep 12 14:01:11 Sup3rkiddo: checking.. Sep 12 14:01:18 NOTE: package curl-7.16.4-r0: task do_build: completed Sep 12 14:02:11 hrw, dude, could you please check out the bug report and guide me on whatsup?, cleaning stuff doesnt help, Sep 12 14:08:06 no idea Sep 12 14:08:09 works for me Sep 12 14:11:10 Sup3rkiddo: have you tried `make clean-package-curl`? Sep 12 14:11:30 gordonsyme, yup Sep 12 14:11:41 and is it still curl that breaks? Sep 12 14:11:47 gordonsyme, yeah Sep 12 14:12:23 odd, I had a situation a while back where loads of packages exhibited that behaviour. Cleaning them and rebuilding worked for them all Sep 12 14:12:53 I've also just rebuild the curl package... Sorry, can't be further help, it works for me Sep 12 14:14:00 hi...has anyone tried to build an OpenMoko 2007.2 *.ext2 image ? Sep 12 14:14:06 gordonsyme, ok man, thanks..make clobber has worked for me in the past in similar scenarios, but grrrr....the amount of time..:( Sep 12 14:14:10 I tried I but there is a error Sep 12 14:14:41 Sup3rkiddo: I feel your pain, done that a good few times Sep 12 14:15:02 zefanja, and has it to do with curl? Sep 12 14:15:07 gordonsyme, =( Sep 12 14:18:00 sorry...I don't understand Sep 12 14:18:20 zefanja, er..sorry, paste the errors somewhere... Sep 12 14:18:47 wait Sep 12 14:19:41 genext2fs: couldn't allocate a block (no free space) Sep 12 14:20:02 zefanja: IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE is too small Sep 12 14:20:05 i think i have to change to size of the ext2 image file Sep 12 14:20:46 so i have to added this option in local.conf? Sep 12 14:21:01 yes Sep 12 14:21:05 thx Sep 12 14:21:54 the size in blocks? Sep 12 14:22:18 so 102400 for 100MB? Sep 12 14:22:52 well, the bill is in for repairs to the car :/ Sep 12 14:23:21 ScaredyCat: how much? Sep 12 14:23:32 2500 euro :( Sep 12 14:24:14 ScaredyCat: what did you do to it? Sep 12 14:24:17 openmoko: 03mickey * r2956 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: Sep 12 14:24:17 openmoko: neod: get the name of the (first) backlight device node from sysfs Sep 12 14:24:17 openmoko: This makes neod controlling brightness on all devices with LCD backlight class Sep 12 14:24:25 ScaredyCat: Yikes, what car is it? Sep 12 14:24:26 ScaredyCat: That's a lot of work! Sep 12 14:24:35 * CM bought his car for that Sep 12 14:24:36 it wasn't me wibbit - someone broke into it. Sep 12 14:24:46 it's a Volvo S80 CM Sep 12 14:24:59 mwester: they made a real mess of it Sep 12 14:25:00 ScaredyCat: I had some one kick in 3 of my doors, repair bill was 2500 gbp Sep 12 14:25:14 ScaredyCat: Ah.. I'm sitting att the factory where they build them right now Sep 12 14:25:56 I love it.. it's the first car I've ever brought that wasn't a pile of crap. Sep 12 14:26:18 bedore this they were all sub 1000 gbp. Sep 12 14:26:25 before Sep 12 14:26:28 ScaredyCat: not to be a pedant, but it's bought... Sep 12 14:26:46 well, I bought it, then brought it home Sep 12 14:26:50 LOL Sep 12 14:27:27 kristian-m: there was also, I think Writchie thinking loud about connecting gsm to d-bus so you could then listen to that Sep 12 14:27:30 it's the first time I think that the labour costs have been lower than the parts cost Sep 12 14:27:46 CM: you work for Volvo? Sep 12 14:28:22 ScaredyCat: No, consultant company. But I've been assigned to work on Volvo's factory planning Sep 12 14:28:40 I'm responsible for the systems where they plan all future cars Sep 12 14:28:59 All cars at all that is Sep 12 14:29:15 cool Sep 12 14:29:25 * CM knows Volvo's cars in detail to 2016, and the vague volumes up to 2022 Sep 12 14:29:43 CM: I once listened to a gal from volvo that did the only-women-designed concept car Sep 12 14:30:09 hhf423: Ah, they got a lot of free pr for that one Sep 12 14:30:11 that was a cool car, it was dead practical Sep 12 14:30:24 you think you could slip a little bug in the design software that tricks the manufacturing equipment inot makeing me one and shipping it to me.. ? :P Sep 12 14:30:59 ScaredyCat: Hehe.. I can actually update the MPS (master production schedule) as I want.. Sep 12 14:31:19 * amarsh04 works where Harley-Davidson motorcycle wheels are made Sep 12 14:31:25 cool...that's even better... you can put it at the top of the list too then :P Sep 12 14:31:51 So the car would get planned an materials ordered and so on, but I'd need to assign an order number to it before they start building Sep 12 14:31:52 they make Chilli sauce next door... Sep 12 14:32:04 Takes about 2 days to build an XC90 Sep 12 14:32:14 I can wait 2 days :) Sep 12 14:32:18 Hehe Sep 12 14:32:36 surely you have to do 'test' runs ;) Sep 12 14:32:48 depending on the wind direction at work, we either get the smell of a wood veneer factory or a biscuit factory Sep 12 14:33:00 amarsh04: *lol* Sep 12 14:33:37 * CM sneaks out from work early Sep 12 14:33:42 :o Sep 12 14:33:51 with a volvo in his pocket.. Sep 12 14:34:05 Of course.. :P Sep 12 14:34:25 'is that a volvo in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me' Sep 12 14:35:39 my load car is a Peugeot 206... Sep 12 14:36:22 they guy on the phone kept saying "it's really small, small, I mean it's tiny, small, really - sorry" Sep 12 14:37:11 wibbit: they kicked in 3 of your doors? Sep 12 14:37:25 Yup Sep 12 14:37:28 road rage Sep 12 14:37:32 :O Sep 12 14:37:43 big boot prints in the side of three dorrs Sep 12 14:37:45 doors Sep 12 14:37:47 why did they miss the last one then? Sep 12 14:38:09 or had you run em over by then... Sep 12 14:38:27 ScaredyCat: no idea to be honest with you Sep 12 14:38:38 a bit ott though... Sep 12 14:38:55 maybe by the time they got to number 4 they'd calmed down Sep 12 14:39:01 The most anoying this was I phone the police there and then, and the stupid woman on the other end of the phone told me it was not a 999 issue, and that I should report it to the local police station Sep 12 14:39:02 ScaredyCat: me and gf have a 207. Her choice :) Sep 12 14:39:17 The fact that we were stuck in traffic, and they were in front of me for another phew minutes, and could have been cough Sep 12 14:39:25 amarsh04: Would you prefer having a stonemason next to your office who likes to work outside? :) For us the wind direction is irelevant. Even the wheather does not matter. :)) Sep 12 14:39:28 wibbit: atleast in Sweden,youre allowed to call 112 for "crime in progress" or accidents Sep 12 14:39:42 sandos: interesting Sep 12 14:39:45 wibbit: lazy fuzz Sep 12 14:39:48 I would assume kicking on somebodies car is a crime Sep 12 14:39:51 sandos: I think that is what 999 is for in the UK Sep 12 14:41:10 DPThought, I'm (mostly) happy with the environment at work (-: Sep 12 14:42:11 sandos: I just feel very very vunerable in something that small... Sep 12 14:42:18 we have 000 for "life threatening" emergencies and 131444 for "police attendance" Sep 12 14:42:37 ScaredyCat: heh, ok. The 207 has 5 star NCAP rating so.. Sep 12 14:42:57 there's at least 10 acres between me and the front in the S80... in the 207 it seems like it's right there Sep 12 14:42:59 I think its prety ok. Although I guess I wouldnt want to be in a head-on collision with for example a XC90 :) Sep 12 14:43:25 I don;t think anyone wants to get hit by a 4x4 ... can't be good Sep 12 14:43:54 It isn't Sep 12 14:44:03 * amarsh04 used in-vehicle gps navigation for the first time yesterday, and wonders what cpu power and storage is needed for such an application ( > current FIC Neo hardware?) Sep 12 14:44:37 amarsh04: look at the spaces of a tomtom go .. or clonish thing... Sep 12 14:44:46 gta02 spec is pretty close Sep 12 14:45:16 the unit I used was called a "navman" Sep 12 14:45:19 mickey|bbiab: Any possibilities we can discuss modifying the gsmd script to eliminate the gsm/device lockups (bug 788), in addition to changing the uboot env? That would resolve the problem for those who would rather not give up the console. (details in the bug report)... Sep 12 14:45:44 I did see a tv program on some car crashes... there was one where a truck driver smashed into the back of a car... Sep 12 14:46:20 amarsh04: The Garmin routing/mapping GPSen typically use a 100-130MHz ARM cpu.. current use is actually rather minimal-- my ex's 60CS does about 9 hours on 2x AAs. Sep 12 14:46:23 it wasn't untill the fire crew got there that they discovered that there had been another car *in between* the two Sep 12 14:46:29 ScaredyCat: ouch Sep 12 14:46:52 yes, that person was very very - not alive. Sep 12 14:47:25 * baird should be getting a new eTrex Legend tomorrow in the mail... Sep 12 14:48:07 I generally take the view that every other driver on the road is actually a small 5 year old child - prone to totally irrational behaviour at any point in time Sep 12 14:48:43 amarsh04: Navicore for the Nokia 770 comes with a 1GB mmc card. The only additional hardware needed is a bluetooth gps receiver. Cpu is slow (220Mhz arm, 64mb ram). It works ok. TomTom has a additional acelorameter. Sep 12 14:48:44 ... it seems to work (he says touching a very lrge peice of wood) Sep 12 14:48:59 hhf423 hmm, an other idea would be to implement a python interface to the socket... - hmm - okay first I'll fight with the nonblocking stdout of the atcmd-mode of libgsmd-tool Sep 12 14:49:06