**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 24 02:59:57 2007 Sep 24 03:02:49 roh: it seems i can cat together our kernel and jffs2 images and write the resultant file to the rootfs partition. nand read.e will correctly load and boot it, and the jffs2 fs scans past the kernel and happily finds the real fs to mount once it comes up Sep 24 03:03:02 thanks for the ideas :) Sep 24 03:07:20 cheriff jikes... interresting it works.. Sep 24 03:07:37 hopefully jffs never tries to use the blocks where the kernel lives Sep 24 03:09:32 it doesn't, it whinges quite noisily, but then mounts ok. (I have disabled the write routines in the driver, so we're safe on that front) Sep 24 03:10:16 next up i'll put in something to lie about the partition layout so it'll skip the kernel completely Sep 24 03:35:57 good morning Sep 24 04:15:27 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[PyFeedRead]] Sep 24 04:16:41 does anyone have a sample GTK+ .bb file that runs from moko/local/packages/? Sep 24 04:48:48 <|R> http://www.xpcgear.com/bta3210.html <- does anybody know if this bluetooth dongle works with linux? Sep 24 04:49:25 <|R> (I'm really unfamiliar with anything bluetooth on linux and i'm trying to prepare :P) Sep 24 04:52:40 So far I've tried 3 usb bluetooth adapters and they've all worked right out of the box Sep 24 04:52:58 But I don't know what chip is in that one Sep 24 04:53:17 <|R> ok, i was wondering if there was a bluetooth USB class or something... Sep 24 04:53:46 Class 2 is the normal one, 10m range Sep 24 04:54:29 <|R> Class 2 has to do with RF output power / law right? I meant USB Class like the Video class which unifies all video device using those specs under a single driver :) Sep 24 04:54:50 Ah, sure :) Sep 24 04:54:57 * CM rubs eyes Sep 24 04:55:02 <|R> :) Sep 24 04:55:05 It's 06:54 here Sep 24 04:55:17 <|R> oh haha, waiting for the day to start then ;) Sep 24 04:55:30 <|R> europe or africa? :) Sep 24 04:55:37 Sweden Sep 24 04:55:48 Just about to go to work :) Sep 24 04:56:06 <|R> hehe, don't! they'll make you... dare i say... work! Sep 24 04:56:15 <|R> haha (yeah 00:53 here, i should go to bed instead :P) Sep 24 04:56:25 For sure ;) Sep 24 04:56:37 * CM gets on the bicycle Sep 24 04:56:45 <|R> hehe, have a good day :) Sep 24 05:53:26 /tet Sep 24 06:49:03 I'm still not having any luck booting from SD :( Sep 24 06:49:15 I followed the directions on the page Sep 24 06:49:32 It flashes some text, and resets Sep 24 06:50:01 any ideas on what I can try? Sep 24 06:51:07 my doesnt' even boot at all... after laying around 2 days (switched off of course) it's battery is more than empty... :( Sep 24 06:53:50 emdete: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery Sep 24 06:54:12 you probably already have it, but just in case Sep 24 06:54:57 gcb77: thanks... prob is that i don't underdstand why its empty at all.... it was switched off. Sep 24 06:56:13 emdete: heh, there's been a lot of discussion here on that... some of the components are connected directly to the battery, and continue drawing power even when off Sep 24 06:56:15 emdete: you must removed the battery, then it's switched off Sep 24 06:56:31 hi there. Sep 24 06:56:31 morning all Sep 24 06:56:34 fgau: :D Sep 24 06:56:37 is there any dbus guy here? Sep 24 06:56:47 what's an dbug guy? Sep 24 06:56:52 dbus :) Sep 24 06:56:53 oups... Sep 24 06:57:01 s/bug/bus/ Sep 24 06:57:29 i would need to know if dbus is sending a signal when someone is trying to own a name Sep 24 06:57:42 bedboi: don't think so Sep 24 07:00:53 any ideas on how I can troubleshoot booting from card? Sep 24 07:02:55 gcb77: with the factory delivered uboot version, i have no probs Sep 24 07:04:17 fgau: hmm, I updated my uBoot when 2007.2 came out Sep 24 07:06:37 gcb77: is that correct? Sep 24 07:07:02 gcb77: other reported the same issue Sep 24 07:07:37 I curently have qtopia on my neo, when I shut it down it powers off, had been off for a couple of days before I powered it on this morning Sep 24 07:08:03 ScaredyCat: and it startet? battery not empty? Sep 24 07:08:10 yes Sep 24 07:08:14 booted fine Sep 24 07:08:22 The other strange thing is when I ran: mmcinit and ext2ls mmc 0 the phone reset itself Sep 24 07:08:24 puh, i had mine off also and battery was dead Sep 24 07:09:10 gcb77: lokk here: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=799 Sep 24 07:09:20 look^^ Sep 24 07:09:35 ScaredyCat: what does wtopia different when powering down? Sep 24 07:09:56 emdete: note 'using qtopia' - maybe it takes power from the devices properly? Sep 24 07:10:28 echo >0 blah Sep 24 07:10:32 iyswim Sep 24 07:10:32 fgau: thank you, has it been resolved or still onging? Sep 24 07:10:43 I'm thinking of flashing the latest uBoot Sep 24 07:10:55 ScaredyCat: no prob i would do all the scripts for that - is there a llist what echo 0 i had to do? Sep 24 07:12:14 for a in gsm bluetooth display vibration ; do echo "look at wiki : Manually using $a"; done Sep 24 07:12:38 the thing is... Sep 24 07:12:54 so gsm bluetooth display vibration are the devices to look at? what about gps? Sep 24 07:13:12 is that ever powered up ? Sep 24 07:13:15 atm Sep 24 07:13:26 * ScaredyCat revises Sep 24 07:13:28 ScaredyCat: who knows what the default is after power on Sep 24 07:13:49 for a in gsm bluetooth display vibration gps ; do echo "look at wiki : Manually using $a"; done Sep 24 07:14:19 you'd hope stuff got powered u when asked to and not before Sep 24 07:14:39 are there more devices? i2c? Sep 24 07:14:56 yeah Sep 24 07:15:53 power-managed? can i switch off power to any device in the neo using /sys/...? someone said some are connected directly to battery some minutes ago.. Sep 24 07:16:11 directly to the battery? Sep 24 07:16:18 why? Sep 24 07:16:51 gcb77 said "connected directly to the battery, and continue drawing power" - isn't that true? Sep 24 07:18:37 I dunno, do we have shematics? Sep 24 07:18:41 schematics Sep 24 07:18:58 at the moment i can't look at it, but i could to `echo 0` to all files named 'power' in /sys? i saw some called power_on, as i remember Sep 24 07:19:08 schematics? i can't read those :/ Sep 24 07:19:45 the suggestion that my neo with qtopia lasted longer than when running om2007.2 would point to something.... Sep 24 07:20:11 * ScaredyCat decides to poke about Sep 24 07:21:14 emdete: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=770 Sep 24 07:24:32 gcb77: thnx. but what they say is that components are not switched off at shutdown. qtopia seems to shutdown the most important part: the gsm with AT@POFF Sep 24 07:25:35 what is the difference between AT@POFF and echo 0 > /sys....gsm....power? Sep 24 07:29:43 oups... my neo disapeared. :( Sep 24 07:32:15 emdete AT@POFF followed by echo 0 > /sys....gsm....power switches it off. Sep 24 07:32:38 echo 0 > /sys....gsm....power ;; echo 1 > /sys....gsm....power resets it Sep 24 07:33:05 from off to on is just echo 1 > /sys....gsm....power Sep 24 07:33:49 if somebody have GTA01 up & connected now, can you guys run ts_test for a while? Sep 24 07:35:05 I get strange behavior in qemu & want to know if it hardware specific or bug in touchscreen driver Sep 24 07:38:44 what behaviour? Sep 24 07:39:25 roh, random reads, out of screen positioning Sep 24 07:40:09 DOH!!! I just flashed u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+svnnow-r14_a89cbbd27a60e6740772000fd0688ffba1c2576a_0_2938.bin Sep 24 07:40:40 Is the power button supposed to still turn on the NEO? Sep 24 07:41:58 of course Sep 24 07:42:14 wow, a `find /sys/ -name power|wc` gives 81 - are there 81 devices to switch off? Sep 24 07:42:43 roh: I take it its not a good sign that the phone won't turn on at all after flashing uBoot Sep 24 07:42:54 not really. Sep 24 07:43:28 * gcb77 will be getting very intimate with the JTag board and the "Embedded Linux Primer" book this week Sep 24 07:46:32 oh well, I guess I've contributed all I can for today, I'm out. Thanks for the help fgau Sep 24 07:47:03 gcb77: np :) Sep 24 07:50:16 hm.. build through... nice Sep 24 07:50:21 http://people.openmoko.org/roh/untested/ Sep 24 07:58:20 roh: what's new? Sep 24 08:14:37 ScaredyCat: the real challenge is if I can get the pm working better... Sep 24 08:15:44 but I have to wait till a v4 device returns to my desk Sep 24 08:16:31 any news on commercial release date? Sep 24 08:16:56 Dec earliest Sep 24 08:17:52 rwhitby: do you know what the release requirements are? are they documented? Sep 24 08:18:14 no. I expect working hardware is near the top. Sep 24 08:19:03 I've been saying (with no inside information), Nov for GTA02 P0, Jan for P1, who knows for general market release (cause that depends on the software) Sep 24 08:19:34 last we've heard (from mickey|portugal at a conference) is Dec, with no information on which phase that is. Sep 24 08:20:06 are you saying gta02 needs another year... do i understand you correctly? Sep 24 08:20:28 would it be worthwhile for a new hacker to buy a GTA01 instead of waiting for the GTA02? Sep 24 08:20:56 that might depend on your requirements :) Sep 24 08:21:41 these phones are so needed, the available alternatives are simply horrible (in u.s.) Sep 24 08:22:29 nevertheless it's good to know the company 'gets it' so i'm not waiting in vain Sep 24 08:23:15 khaije1: with 'phone' do you mean the hardware only or hardware+software working as everyday phone? Sep 24 08:25:03 emdete: for me a phone to hack would be nice, but what i really _need_ is a phone to use every day Sep 24 08:25:15 what is the preferred method of getting an openmoko emulator going on the PC? I see references to Xoo,Xephr,Qemu etc. Sep 24 08:25:53 qemu is the only emulator of those three... (and should produce the results closest to the real thing) Sep 24 08:25:57 (I think) Sep 24 08:28:21 khaije1: ic is afraid giving a developer-only phone away but i would really like to have a gta02 soon for deveopment. my everydayphone is a different one anyway... Sep 24 08:28:28 s/ic/fic/ Sep 24 08:28:28 emdete meant: khaije1: fic is afraid giving a developer-only phone away but i would really like to have a gta02 soon for deveopment. my everydayphone is a different one anyway... Sep 24 08:31:21 emdete: i just think the potential is an order of magnitude better with a neo than anything out now Sep 24 08:36:54 emdete: Considering gta02s don't even boot without attached debug board I don't know how useful that could be Sep 24 08:37:34 abraxa_: shure, given it boots and acc. graphics works in x i am fine ;) Sep 24 08:38:00 The driver hasn't been written yet either ;x Sep 24 08:38:14 abraxa_: yes, i know :/ Sep 24 08:38:23 roh, I've run ts_harvest and have all X(Y)_measured out of screen size, or wrong. Sep 24 08:38:28 rwhitby: do i understand your estimate to correctly be nov 08 for the gta02? Sep 24 08:39:31 no, I said nov 07 for P0 (select developers), jan 08 for P1 (sale to developers, software not ready) and no estimate for P2 (general market release) Sep 24 08:39:45 those are not official dates, just my guesses. Sep 24 08:40:52 unfortunately I can't upload the ts_harvest.out (can't get qemu connected via ssh) Sep 24 08:50:27 goodday all Sep 24 08:51:18 g'day Sep 24 08:51:25 hi Sep 24 08:51:52 hi Sep 24 08:52:04 hm.. official dates... well.. when we're lucky the remaining gta01 arrive in the us end of the week Sep 24 08:52:23 there will be a mail about that soon Sep 24 08:54:17 * CM is still hoping for a eabi gllin version Sep 24 08:54:45 CM well.. we have one that segfaults (still) Sep 24 08:55:04 Broadcom sucks.. :/ Sep 24 08:55:15 how far is development of a open driver? Sep 24 08:55:30 roh: is there going to be another batch of GTA01's made after this batch due to arrive end of the week? Sep 24 08:55:40 CM well.. they are much more cooperative than gl before Sep 24 08:55:44 (i.e. has supply met demand yet?) Sep 24 08:56:22 rwhitby yes. propably.. but i cannot give you specifics yet (dunno) Sep 24 08:56:51 rwhitby i think we need to... you guys just don't stop ordering ;) Sep 24 08:57:01 so if I would order a GTA01 right now, is there any indication how long it would tkat for it to leave .us? Sep 24 08:57:13 so how many gta01 are sold right now? Sep 24 09:00:57 Mek could be 2 weeks or so when you order 'now' or some weeks when you wait for too long. Sep 24 09:01:09 emdete sorry.. cannot tell you absolute numbers Sep 24 09:01:15 okay... Sep 24 09:02:34 roh: sad... would be nice to hear. even how many fic plans to sell... Sep 24 09:02:50 Mek but i can only guess.. its statistics im looking at, not 100% certain values Sep 24 09:03:28 :) Sep 24 09:03:33 emdete well.. the whole response was much hotter and bigger than we expected. thats also why we basically build every device we can Sep 24 09:04:26 lead times can be long when you don't know how many devices you need first Sep 24 09:07:36 roh: i really, really hope that fic keeps up with the neo. Sep 24 09:07:55 emdete how do you mean keep up? Sep 24 09:08:13 roh: my english sucks, sorry. i mean they do it further... Sep 24 09:08:19 we will not just drop it like palm the foleo if you mean that Sep 24 09:08:29 roh: for how long? Sep 24 09:09:42 emdete well.. thats not decided yet. if there is real demand after gta01 is out we could do more gta01 as long as the parts are available. Sep 24 09:09:52 i think it costs alot all the developers, don't think those several thousands of neos pay much Sep 24 09:10:56 and: ambitious phones get cheaper all the time. what if a OE dev platform is ported to the iphone... that costs 50$ less than a neo 2 Sep 24 09:11:14 well.. its a investment info the future for fic, so i don't worry there ;) Sep 24 09:12:06 i don't think you sell one GTA02 for more that the price of the smallest iphone in massmarket Sep 24 09:12:22 emdete even if it would run on a iphone that would have no gps and no removable battery or upgradeable storage Sep 24 09:13:23 roh: shure, but massmarket seems not to care - and iphone's case is so much nicer all the people say that see the neo Sep 24 09:13:26 and it would be 100% reverse-engineering which means no specs, no docs and really buggy drivers for a long time.. not really competition Sep 24 09:13:58 roh: i hope so - don't misunderstand me, i want fic to have success with their model Sep 24 09:19:36 emdete well.. so far we do not worry about that Sep 24 09:20:04 roh: i do a little because i like the project alot ;) Sep 24 09:20:35 well.. were just at the beginning Sep 24 09:26:19 roh: Are you familiar with the plans regarding the UI concept? Sep 24 09:41:52 WOOOT Sep 24 09:42:02 Finally made gstreamer and PulseAudio behave on the Neo :D Sep 24 09:42:09 roh: this safe uboot image that fixes need for nand erase rootfs command?: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin Sep 24 09:42:25 strange, libgsm-tool ask for pin twice. looking in the log i see it switches off the modem with 'AT+CFUN=0' after the first pinentry: http://rafb.net/p/1dT1d719.html - someone also seen that? Sep 24 09:42:45 at least I remember at least 2 persons updating to it safely and also I remember some people accidentally doing nand erase without argument Sep 24 09:42:52 abraxa_: congrats, how did you resolve it? Sep 24 09:43:07 so... it sounds like updating to that uboot might be more safe than doing nand erase something ;-) Sep 24 09:43:38 You can - IIRC use dd to wipe the partition. Sep 24 09:43:45 aloril: I'm using that uboot Sep 24 09:43:59 CM: and it fixes need for nand erase? Sep 24 09:44:00 But i have a broken boot_env Sep 24 09:44:07 hmm.. Sep 24 09:44:08 aloril: yes, so it seems Sep 24 09:44:31 I mean, flashing a 32mb qtopia over a 45mb openmoko rootfs worked fine Sep 24 09:44:38 zecke: pulsesink's buffer and latency settings are optimized for low latency, so by increasing them CPU usage drops from 30->5% (PulseAudio) and 45%->30% (gstreamer) Sep 24 09:45:24 CM: is proken boot_env result of updating to uboot or was it broken before? Sep 24 09:46:04 (you are referring to this I assume: "2007-08-28 10:32:32 hhf423_w: But it's broken. Every time I flash, my uboot_env (mtdblock1) is overwritten with parts of the kernel") Sep 24 09:51:52 anybody else updated uboot? any problems? Sep 24 09:59:27 aloril: yes, and yes Sep 24 10:00:16 * LarstiQ has updated his uboot a couple of times after getting his P1, no problems Sep 24 10:00:44 abraxa_ depends on whats your question Sep 24 10:01:24 aloril dunno, i have a tested one i built myself on http://people.openmoko.org/roh/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git20070909+svnr2943-r0.bin Sep 24 10:01:35 roh: I would like to know how the termination of applications will be handled in the future - being able to close them only through openmoko-today is... hmm, counter-intuitive in my opinion Sep 24 10:02:39 abraxa_ they are closed via short press on powerbutton currently Sep 24 10:03:24 roh: Ohh, I did not know that. Okay, thanks :) Sep 24 10:09:06 moin Sep 24 10:15:36 XorA: what kind of problems with uboot update? Sep 24 10:15:47 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] Sep 24 10:16:51 CM: boot_env problem however didn't brick your GTA01B_v04 I assume? Sep 24 10:17:31 aloril: I updated to one from buildhost and bricked bv4 Sep 24 10:17:44 aloril: needed to use JTAG to recover Sep 24 10:18:51 XorA: was it from here or was it earlier/later?: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ Sep 24 10:19:48 aloril: earlier I think Sep 24 10:20:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko doesn't list any known working v4 uboot as far as I can see Sep 24 10:21:25 aloril: got debug board? Sep 24 10:21:41 nope.. thats why I would like to be sure Sep 24 10:21:53 aloril: Id wait then :-) Sep 24 10:22:01 I know this is another option: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase Sep 24 10:22:17 but I have heard people accidentally bricking neo with that command Sep 24 10:22:43 well, I'm swure there's someone with a debug board in your area. Sep 24 10:22:44 aloril: yeah if you arease u-boot, no way to fix without debug board Sep 24 10:23:03 == nand erase without arguments Sep 24 10:24:31 XorA: ahhh. nope. IIRC uboot should be all loaded into memory. so you can actually erase the nand and then flash a new uboot into the device before rebooting. Sep 24 10:24:46 that _should_ work if I remember the bootloader semantics correctly. Sep 24 10:25:10 ixs: didn't know that, but: yes, if you notice error before reboot ;-) Sep 24 10:25:53 aloril: of course. In general though you are much safer fiddling with the bootloader with a debug board as your safety net. Sep 24 10:26:27 aloril in about 20 minutes or so i can test some binary on my device and then tell you if it works on my bv4 and a md5sum Sep 24 10:26:37 yeah... just trying to decide which one is more likely: problem with uboot update or accidental too wide nand erase Sep 24 10:27:19 roh: OK, and I'll update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko page then Sep 24 10:27:34 aloril i did not have any problems with updates since bv2 where the build was ok, so if it works on one moko, it works on all Sep 24 10:27:41 if it matters anything the procedure described at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU doesn't work for me, fails at the openmoko/flash.sh step (it worked before that august update) Sep 24 10:28:00 hhf423 has tested http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin Sep 24 10:28:00 and it worked ok for him(or her) Sep 24 10:28:12 has anyone looked into vala Sep 24 10:28:35 http://live.gnome.org/Vala this one...? Sep 24 10:28:50 also Ghiottone reports it being good, but .. still is it still ok after kernel/image flashing? (ie.. is there boot_env problem with it) Sep 24 10:31:05 viq: Removing the "nand createbbt" line from flash.sh should resolve that issue Sep 24 10:33:05 testing Sep 24 10:34:36 abraxa_: nope Sep 24 10:34:57 viq: Aww =( Sep 24 10:35:43 why is it that the future consumer version will lose the stereo speakers? Sep 24 10:35:59 to make room for the wifi I believe.. Sep 24 10:36:15 so does that mean there isnt support for stereo headphones? Sep 24 10:36:30 Do stereo speakers in such a small container really make a difference? Sep 24 10:36:35 the headphones still be stereo Sep 24 10:36:40 King_InuYasha: stereo headphones, mono speaker. Sep 24 10:36:46 good... Sep 24 10:37:27 there seems to be a discrepency in when the Consumer Version of the OpenMoko phone will come out? Sep 24 10:37:32 btw.. I guess later produced GTA01B_v04 have never uboot without that "needs nand erase" problem? Sep 24 10:37:41 and i found a typo on the website Sep 24 10:38:00 openmoko: 03abraxa * r3034 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/ (main.c persistent.c persistent.h playback.c): Sep 24 10:38:00 openmoko: Force playbin to use a specific sink again - pulsesink this time Sep 24 10:38:00 openmoko: Make gstreamer/PulseAudio's CPU usage drop to sane values by forcing bigger buffers and allowing higher latency Sep 24 10:38:00 openmoko: Remove trailing slash from default file browser path for the SD card Sep 24 10:38:12 King_InuYasha: you can just fix typo Sep 24 10:38:24 not on a static web page Sep 24 10:38:34 King_InuYasha: about when consumer version comes out: *nobody* knows Sep 24 10:38:48 King_InuYasha: every date you see is a guess Sep 24 10:38:52 aww darn Sep 24 10:39:05 i wanted to get the phone in October like it said on the static page Sep 24 10:39:18 but the wiki says December... Sep 24 10:39:34 October does sound unlikely Sep 24 10:39:41 why is that? Sep 24 10:40:16 and even if it would be released in october, it would be far from a usefull phone, as the software is far from complete... Sep 24 10:40:17 P0 phase hasn't happened for GTA02 for example Sep 24 10:40:34 P0 phase? Sep 24 10:40:37 no distribution system for mass market and what mek said Sep 24 10:40:53 free phones to selected developers to test hardware further Sep 24 10:40:57 Mek, what is left for the software? Sep 24 10:41:58 stability, usability... just minor stuff :P Sep 24 10:42:10 functionality? :P Sep 24 10:42:21 Yes, that too ;) Sep 24 10:42:24 >.< Sep 24 10:48:45 some other stuff: they need to set up mass production line for GTA02, produce them, ship them to outside China Sep 24 10:49:06 each of these... week or few? Sep 24 10:49:39 so even if they decided: lets mass produce them it sounds unlikely for you get one in hand at October Sep 24 10:49:43 aloril: are they already certain what will be inside the final one and have exact plans/maps/whatever for it? Sep 24 10:50:20 viq: they have 2 different configurations and latest info is that they are testing Sep 24 10:50:25 aloril, well, there is a vid up on youtube of gta02's being produced Sep 24 10:50:44 those are probably the p0 ones Sep 24 10:50:47 well, i would like to be able to order one in October Sep 24 10:50:48 cb22: at Taiwan or at China? Sep 24 10:50:58 and maybe hopefully have it by December Sep 24 10:51:12 so that in January, my new budget year starts and I can replace my crappy laptop Sep 24 10:51:26 dunno, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpt6R4ZNl1w Sep 24 10:52:17 that factory may not be running Windows Sep 24 10:52:29 though it would be sad if it did Sep 24 10:52:36 true Sep 24 10:53:06 my reason for thinking it may not is that Win95-style Window Managers do exist for Linux Sep 24 10:53:18 and a lot of them are low-memory consumers Sep 24 10:53:40 there was a lot time between Taiwan P1 GTA01B_v04 phones for P0 devs and P1 phones sold for devs (>3 months) Sep 24 10:53:53 don't expect this time to be that big delay Sep 24 10:55:38 cb22: that looks like P0 batch being produced (just guess) Sep 24 10:55:46 well.. i now have 2 tested and working uboot on gta01bv04.. Sep 24 10:56:54 roh: cool, which uboot's? (and have you tested flashing kernel and rootfs after uboot flashing?) Sep 24 10:59:01 aloril on people.openmoko.org/roh/ are 2 uboots, in md5sums are the checksums Sep 24 10:59:19 both work fine here Sep 24 10:59:32 one is from the 10th, one is from 'just now' Sep 24 11:01:11 roh, any inside knowledge on that vid :) Sep 24 11:01:41 cb22 of the smd robot? eh.. thats gta02bv2 afaik.. got mone seconds ago (finally) Sep 24 11:02:58 nice, is that the one with all the features, but still the 2410? Sep 24 11:03:03 next time i need to hit the dhl-guy with something sharp and heavy Sep 24 11:03:56 railway spike? Sep 24 11:05:23 hmm.. would do... they forced me getting counted money due to vat Sep 24 11:06:19 huh, now card is visible! I saw some crc errors and repeated boots didn't work, but switching to 512MB card (which didn't get visible) and back to 2GB: now 2GB is visible Sep 24 11:06:39 sounds like a contact problem Sep 24 11:07:04 I thought there was some crc errors in flash that somehow prevented card working and thus thought about reflashing rootfs/kernel ;-) Sep 24 11:07:55 thought it stopped working without opening case, but I guess its kind of 'close' Sep 24 11:07:59 ljp: well it works somewhat at the mo :) Sep 24 11:08:14 anyway, I guess I want to update uboot anyway..., but less hurry now Sep 24 11:11:22 the Dude Where's My Car? wishlist item sounds quite nice actually Sep 24 11:13:07 King_InuYasha, link? Sep 24 11:17:56 what if new bad blocks happen? will reflashing automatically fix it or is something else needed? Sep 24 11:18:10 or is there then need to manually mark it from uboot? Sep 24 11:19:17 aloril well you should be able to update your uboot now without problems. Sep 24 11:19:52 c22, its on the software wishlist Sep 24 11:20:03 errm cb22, its on the software wishlist Sep 24 11:20:37 on the wiki Sep 24 11:21:11 roh: ok, I'll do that tomorrow and then if all seems ok, update wiki (I have moko9_r8 uboot from May 19 installed) Sep 24 11:21:58 King_InuYasha, does sound cool Sep 24 11:22:10 although not too sure how it would be implimented using one neo only Sep 24 11:24:05 well, if a car has GPS and reports its location, it is possible for a Neo to grab this location and track it i suppose Sep 24 11:24:49 roh: I guess uboot update is not useful for anybody with GTA01B_v04 more recent than X (X being some serial number or day when it was shipped) Sep 24 11:24:50 true, but how would it report its location? Sep 24 11:25:03 i dunno Sep 24 11:25:08 im not an expert on GPS Sep 24 11:25:12 i dont even own a GPS Sep 24 11:25:50 aloril depends.. this one has fixed acm console and modem passthrough as well as no nand erase issues i'm aware of Sep 24 11:26:27 morning Sep 24 11:26:31 ah, ok, no nand erase is older fix, acm console and modem passtrough is new thing Sep 24 11:27:26 nand erase though is "problem that makes stuff not work" + you could accidentally brick neo with it Sep 24 11:28:40 is there any known case of bricking neo with updating to "known good working uboot"? Sep 24 11:29:13 (versus bricking by updating to wrong version and bricking by nand erase without arguments) Sep 24 11:30:00 I mean.. which one would be more recommended: update uboot or use nand erase with right arguments? (asking because I wonder what wiki should recommend) Sep 24 11:33:24 aloril, uboot protects itself agains being overwritten by a version for different model Sep 24 11:34:17 yeah, I think this holds for any uboot May 19 or more recent Sep 24 11:35:00 however, not true for older uboots -> quite many v4 to v3 and v3 to v4 uboot writes in past Sep 24 11:35:27 yes Sep 24 11:35:42 but if you are careful it should be no proble,m Sep 24 11:39:32 roh: thanks for testing Sep 24 12:16:50 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:ChrisLord]] Sep 24 12:26:31 hi all Sep 24 12:30:51 hi florian Sep 24 13:18:08 Listen around 52:20 http://www.lugradio.org/episodes/84 Sep 24 13:29:18 cm: interesting... Sep 24 13:31:06 Well.. Guess we have to prove Jono wrong ;) Sep 24 13:36:25 ooh..ooh..what does it day...what does it day... Sep 24 13:37:25 Greetings and salutations Sep 24 13:41:12 stefan_schmidt: are you there? Sep 24 13:57:45 ok i tried booting openmoko from sd, but am getting a bad partition and bad magic number stuff...i couldnt see the error fully since i am brought to the main boot screen rather soon Sep 24 13:59:32 ...anyone getting the same stuff Sep 24 13:59:49 no, we're all sitting on our hands waiting for v2 to come out. Sep 24 14:00:05 ewon: :) Sep 24 14:00:09 bah Sep 24 14:00:28 sudharsh: I always get the bad magic number problem Sep 24 14:00:45 But booting using Factory Reset works Sep 24 14:01:09 But that's on a regular boot, not from sd Sep 24 14:01:38 CM, ah...wait i have a hunch i did something stupid..i forgot to change CONFIG_MMC_S3C=m to y Sep 24 14:01:42 someone spank me Sep 24 14:04:00 sudharsh: Ask ScaredyCat, he seems to like doing that. :P Sep 24 14:04:15 spanking part? Sep 24 14:04:44 oook then Sep 24 14:04:55 Hehe Sep 24 14:12:02 openmoko: 03chris * r3035 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Fix header style and add customised button styling for openmoko-dates Sep 24 14:15:30 is the date known yet for the final version of the Neo? Sep 24 14:15:31 MetroDelt: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Sep 24 14:15:47 MetroDelt: You mean the public release? Sep 24 14:15:58 coutner Sep 24 14:16:00 CM: yep Sep 24 14:16:02 counter Sep 24 14:16:02 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1811;252) Sep 24 14:16:24 aloril: Might be time to get a GTA02 counter going? :) Sep 24 14:16:34 MetroDelt: We guess in half a year or so.. Sep 24 14:16:37 hehe, yeah I should update that page Sep 24 14:16:52 [[Neo1973]] page has some estimates though Sep 24 14:16:52 Or I do at least, but I'm just a channel lurker ;) Sep 24 14:16:58 HXD8 Sep 24 14:19:08 CM: is the developerversion kinda usable? Sep 24 14:19:21 Not really Sep 24 14:19:56 So it isnt replacing your cells yet? Sep 24 14:20:03 No Sep 24 14:20:20 Okay, too bad Sep 24 14:20:22 heh, so the oct release date for gta02 has slipped a bit then? Sep 24 14:20:22 The battery time is not even half a day, and I can't call or send/recieve sms Sep 24 14:20:24 keep up the good work! Sep 24 14:20:49 ewon: Hopefully P0 for GTA02 will be November Sep 24 14:20:58 Think mickey|portugal said something like that Sep 24 14:22:06 But so far, no official statements. Only rumours and estimates Sep 24 14:24:39 CM: thanks Sep 24 14:25:41 has there been any further news on the 3d accelerator in gta02? Sep 24 14:25:56 (sorry, I've been flat out and haven't been on channel / reading the lists) Sep 24 14:27:04 somewhat Sep 24 14:27:09 I don't know how current you are Sep 24 14:27:20 basically, all docs will be translated and released by FIC Sep 24 14:30:02 Is it an issue of someone with an NDA cleaning up the docs, or is it just translation? Sep 24 14:30:45 SpeedEvil: They never said *all* docs. Sep 24 14:31:08 Hmm.. Seems like webkit-gtk compile is stuck in an endless loop, anyone else seeing that? Sep 24 14:31:13 they said that FIC would look at the vendor docs under NDA, write some new docs, have those new docs approved for release by the vendor, then release the new docs. Sep 24 14:31:47 (I guess you might have meant "all" in the "any" sense of the word ..) Sep 24 14:32:22 rwhitby: pretty much. And yes, and I was meaning 'translation' in the 'rewrite so it's not covered under the NDA' Sep 24 14:32:40 nod Sep 24 14:33:14 Lynet: It takes a long time to compile, over an hour on my comp Sep 24 14:35:40 CM: I'm coming up on 10+ hours here. I have the build env running in a VM, so I don't expect super fast but I'm kinda starting to get worried. Sep 24 14:42:05 Lynet: Then something must be wrong Sep 24 14:42:18 I build it a few days ago with no problem Sep 24 14:58:51 Lynet: i just builded current webkit some hours ago - when did you start? Sep 24 15:00:19 hey, any idea why the build instructions for qemu don't work anymore? Sep 24 15:01:13 this wouldn't happen if we were a Microsoft project. Sep 24 15:01:21