**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 25 02:59:56 2007 Sep 25 03:13:46 are there supposed to be 2 Torx screws or just one in the GTA01bv4? Sep 25 03:15:21 * gcb77 wonders if the warranty covers the guitar pick ;) Sep 25 03:31:46 morning. Anyway to upgrade the OpenMoko phone to be usable as a phone yet? Sep 25 03:31:58 qtopia? Sep 25 03:32:08 (ducks) Sep 25 03:32:10 I see.. well thanks. Sep 25 03:32:39 still need power management and more stability in the gsm handling Sep 25 03:33:46 so as a novice is there anything I can do then? Sep 25 03:34:11 you can file bugs or correct things in the wiki Sep 25 03:34:16 qtopia is good Sep 25 03:34:35 i am going to issue a qtopia update soon Sep 25 03:34:38 hey you're not impartial :) Sep 25 03:34:42 cool Sep 25 03:34:45 nope. i am not Sep 25 03:34:57 well the current image I have is so... unusable that I do not dare to file anything Sep 25 03:35:11 does contact sync work? Sep 25 03:36:50 ok.. well I'll try qtopia to see how it looks like then.. thanks Sep 25 03:37:48 turn suspend off :) Sep 25 03:38:22 what does suspend do? Sep 25 03:38:56 ljp: updated to the 2.6.22 kernel? Sep 25 03:39:10 (or does not do) Sep 25 03:39:23 BLUG-fred: suspend works fine, it's the resume that is broken Sep 25 03:39:40 haha... ok Sep 25 03:41:39 yes, updated kernel Sep 25 03:42:18 ljp: I was able to ipkg upgrade and replace the kernel and qtopia kept working Sep 25 03:42:20 :) Dual-boot should be easier then Sep 25 03:42:27 but no qtopia components were upgraded :( Sep 25 03:43:36 fix it. :) Sep 25 03:47:44 would the agps on the neo work as an external gps device like to plug it into google earth through bluetooth? Sep 25 03:48:07 i mean could that functionality be added? Sep 25 03:48:28 xLOGiC yes but initially it would be a bit of a scripted up hackish thing Sep 25 03:49:22 I did something similar with gumstix and hacked it to allow two client connections at once Sep 25 03:51:17 cool.. i wish i knew how to code and / or owned a neo.. Sep 25 03:51:35 I know where you can buy one, xL0GiC Sep 25 03:51:54 gps repeater should be in the gui at some point Sep 25 03:52:12 ljp: any suggestions on howto test the qtopia 4.3 ui without a neo or greenphone? Sep 25 03:52:49 mwester-laptop: wasn't it sold out? Sep 25 03:53:21 Apparently another batch will be shipping out shortly Sep 25 03:54:47 hmmm Sep 25 03:55:37 i'll look into that. but still gta02 looks like it's worth the wait. specially for non-devs Sep 25 03:55:40 jannu: if you just want to test the ui, you can dl the source, and compile it (for qvfb) and run it with the Neo skin Sep 25 03:58:01 ljp: ok. i'm mostly interested in the chosen ui concepts&approaches to usual smartphone stuff Sep 25 04:02:25 ljp: i.e. general ui choices, voice-based communication, text-based communication, calendar, etc Sep 25 04:02:42 is there any getting started guide that showcase what's doable, what can be install and so on? Sep 25 04:03:00 I found something, but there are so many warnings.. that I felt that was not for me Sep 25 04:18:30 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu]] Sep 25 04:57:35 moin Sep 25 05:15:35 morning Sep 25 06:02:16 anyone here gone through the un-brick procedure? Sep 25 06:12:20 gcb77: yep Sep 25 06:13:05 rwhitby: may I trouble you with a few questions? Sep 25 06:13:49 I flashed a dev-version uBoot yesterday and the NEO won't start up any more Sep 25 06:13:50 go for it - reponses may be delayed since I'm at work. Sep 25 06:14:08 cool, thank you Sep 25 06:14:13 Here's where I'm at: Sep 25 06:14:19 first of all, are you sure it's not a battery charge issue? Sep 25 06:14:39 yes, tested both batteries, both should be at least half full Sep 25 06:15:25 ok, where are you at with devirginator and the debug board then Sep 25 06:15:34 I have the NEO dis-assembled, hooked up to the debug board, openocd set up and configured Sep 25 06:15:46 I'm using the MokoMakefile version Sep 25 06:15:54 by setting PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH Sep 25 06:16:01 ok Sep 25 06:16:07 I run openocd and get: Sep 25 06:16:25 Error: jtag.c:1253 jtag_examine_chain(): JTAG communication failure, check connection, JTAG interface, target power etc. Sep 25 06:16:29 Error: jtag.c:1440 jtag_init(): trying to validate configured JTAG chain anyway... Sep 25 06:16:34 Error: jtag.c:1346 jtag_validate_chain(): Error validating JTAG scan chain, IR mismatch, scan returned 0x00 Sep 25 06:16:42 then eventually Sep 25 06:16:43 Error: jtag.c:1448 jtag_init(): Could not validate JTAG chain, exit Sep 25 06:17:01 ok, pastebin your openocd config file Sep 25 06:17:55 http://pastebin.com/m6506411 Sep 25 06:18:11 Am I supposed to be pushing the power button on the NEO? Sep 25 06:18:29 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Mokopedia]] Sep 25 06:19:04 line 10 looks weird Sep 25 06:21:00 in that its only supposed to have and ? Sep 25 06:22:10 gcb77 http://pastebin.com/m46993da0 Sep 25 06:22:17 thats what i'm using Sep 25 06:24:01 I get the same error with that file... I get the feeling I'm missing a step here Sep 25 06:24:25 well.. try re-seating the fpc connectors Sep 25 06:24:30 Once I plug the board in to the USB is there any buttons to push? Sep 25 06:24:33 theyre a bit tricky Sep 25 06:24:49 gcb77 the button on the board should reset the moko Sep 25 06:25:16 also do sudo modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118 Sep 25 06:25:27 that gives you 2 serials /dev/ttyUSB0 and 1 Sep 25 06:25:40 when you start openocd the first (0) vanishes Sep 25 06:26:00 the second (/dev/ttyUSB1) is where the real serial of the moko is connected. Sep 25 06:26:14 Is the moko supposed to be hooked up to the battery? Sep 25 06:26:21 use screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200 or a similar tool to connect there Sep 25 06:26:23 jap Sep 25 06:26:40 hmm, power. Thought I might be missing something Sep 25 06:26:41 insert fpc, connect debugboard to power, insert battery, connect usb to moko Sep 25 06:26:47 i cant sync with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk Sep 25 06:26:59 but i can ping openmoko.org ? what could this be ? Sep 25 06:27:27 best is when you use real differen ports for the debugport and the moko. i need to use one usb on the right and one on the left of my thinkpad Sep 25 06:31:47 yes, openocd is now connected! Sep 25 06:32:38 :) Sep 25 06:33:58 then do the reset_and_halt, upload lowlevel-foo, run it till breakpoint, upload uboot, run it, flash it with itself-game ;) Sep 25 06:39:18 Is there a way now to just flash a new uBoot, or do I have to reset NAND? Sep 25 06:43:09 any folks who could hook me up with a phone around? Sep 25 06:44:19 * clee wonders where fradeve is Sep 25 06:50:34 gcb77_ you should be able to just flash uboot if the rest of the flash is fine (oob areas, uboot env) Sep 25 06:56:46 roh: I think uboot is bad... would I flash it using the debug board? Sep 25 06:58:10 cu: creat (/var/lock/TMP00000073b2): Permission denied Sep 25 06:58:10 cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use Sep 25 06:58:16 why is this ? Sep 25 07:03:59 gcb77_ jap. Sep 25 07:07:26 hm.. seems i should reencode this abcnews flash snippet to something people can watch Sep 25 07:09:23 roh: do I just run script.ocd, or does that reset all of NAND? Sep 25 07:10:33 oeh.. i dunno which script that is Sep 25 07:13:03 ah, I see. If I read this right, running Stage 1 should get me a new uboot, and leave the other NAND blocks alone Sep 25 07:13:58 gcb77_ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_JTAG_to_boot_from_RAM should have the correct stuff Sep 25 07:14:19 load lowlevel_foo, execute these few hundred bytes to get sdram up Sep 25 07:14:37 then uboot gets into ram and executed to be used to flash itself into nand again Sep 25 07:15:37 I'm using kermit to connecto to /dev/ttyUSB1... should I be getting a prompt there? Sep 25 07:15:58 when uboot is up and running, yes Sep 25 07:16:12 eh.. dunno about kermit..l never used that. i use screen for serials Sep 25 07:17:42 Switched to screen, and I get the same. I see "20480 bytes read: OK", then nothing Sep 25 07:19:27 My guess is I need to run through at at least Phase 1 of the devirginator, get a good uboot back Sep 25 07:21:33 sorry for beeing not much help right now.. i just got up and will need some time and caffeine to boot my brains through Sep 25 07:21:47 * gcb77_ knows that feeling Sep 25 07:23:50 heh.. works Sep 25 07:23:51 it seems that in my case roaming is not working Sep 25 07:23:56 i'm in US with an italian card Sep 25 07:24:02 it says it has some signal Sep 25 07:24:08 but nobody can reach me Sep 25 07:24:18 http://yamato.hyte.de/moko/ has the abc video in some more usable formats Sep 25 07:39:58 I'm not having much luck with the debug board Sep 25 07:42:37 soo .. finally my neo is going to be uptodate Sep 25 07:44:53 gcb77_: what's the problem? Sep 25 07:45:19 drath: I telnet to localhost on 4444, it connects, and get nothing Sep 25 07:45:56 you mean no output except for the telnet client telling you it connected? Sep 25 07:46:21 yes Sep 25 07:48:30 hum, it should greet you with Open On-Chip Debugger Sep 25 07:48:31 > Sep 25 07:48:48 did you change your .cfg since you pasted it an hour ago? Sep 25 07:49:04 I'm back to the original one I pasted Sep 25 07:49:13 I tried the one roh posted, with the same results Sep 25 07:50:21 can you run the OpenOCD with "-d -l ", and paste that? Sep 25 07:50:32 let it run for a few seconds, then kill it with SIGINT Sep 25 07:51:38 Error: server.c:159 add_service(): couldn't bind to socket: Address already in use Sep 25 07:51:48 kill all OpenOCD instances Sep 25 07:55:29 drath: ok, this time I got a prompt... somehow Sep 25 07:56:54 ok, you should always make sure that there's no leftover instance running Sep 25 07:57:04 make sure you're using the latest libftdi Sep 25 07:57:29 drath: yes, between the screen sessions, kermit, and telnet I must have locked something up Sep 25 07:57:43 I'm running with libs and binaries made by MokoMakefile Sep 25 07:59:03 ok, guess they should have the current version Sep 25 08:01:51 drath: is it safe to run "devirginate -1" or will that erase NAND? Sep 25 08:03:35 sorry, i don't know much about moko Sep 25 08:05:51 he he, I just wrote uboot at 0 Sep 25 08:09:32 * bedboi is away: sleeping Sep 25 08:26:29 does anyone have a solution to this? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001558.html Sep 25 08:29:11 goodday #openmoko Sep 25 08:29:50 rwhitby, roh, drath thank you very much for the help, I got to the smiley face stage and will continue tomorow Sep 25 08:31:13 gcb77_: once you get the smiley face, the rest should be dfu-util stuff Sep 25 08:35:08 any suggestions on how to package GTK+ programs with .bb in the build environment (OM2007.2) ? Sep 25 08:49:25 roh: Nice report on abc, thanks for the link :) Sep 25 08:52:08 mbuf do you have a makefile which does linking and setting up cflags? Sep 25 08:52:35 roh, yes that part works Sep 25 08:52:50 roh, i get a binary ARM file, which I can run on the target; Sep 25 08:53:08 roh, i would like to create a .bb file that i would like end-users to just install and test Sep 25 08:53:44 roh, this works, http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/index.php/OpenMoko_Hello_World_Debian_20072#Standalone_Makefile Sep 25 08:55:43 roh, i am stuck here, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001558.html Sep 25 08:56:24 mbuf hm.. i'm not sure.. but can you try DEPENDS = instead of DEPENDS += ? Sep 25 08:58:13 roh, nah, i get same error, gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory Sep 25 08:59:01 hm... well.. i'll run into the same problems later when i need to build a package for a friend. ;) Sep 25 08:59:43 so i'll reply to your mail if not anyone with more bb experience did in the meantime.. need to move now.. Sep 25 08:59:46 bbl Sep 25 08:59:51 roh, i saw some of the .bb files in the oe sources, all just include "inherit openmoko" Sep 25 08:59:59 roh, thanks for your time Sep 25 09:00:20 mbuf yeah.. ive searched where the gtk includes are from, but it seems they come from libmokoui2 .. Sep 25 09:00:43 which makes sense.. i just don't get where c and ldflags are set via autoconf/automake Sep 25 09:01:09 thats where the includepath needs to come from so gcc can find gtk/gtk.h Sep 25 09:01:27 later Sep 25 09:01:35 roh, yup, later Sep 25 09:07:27 this is interesting for me too. i often wonder how that works. isn't there a wiki about that? how do developers at om work? do they always make bui..., package, install? Sep 25 09:07:53 emdete, most of their packages are integrated with the build environment, so i am not sure Sep 25 09:08:09 emdete, i believe ScaredyCat wrote the wiki HOWTO on local/overlay packages? Sep 25 09:08:50 for my package i set absolut path in the makefile - not the right solution Sep 25 09:09:32 emdete, i get an executable, that is fine; but I can't expect end-users to just test run it; it easier for them to install a package; Sep 25 09:10:19 same for me - i get an executable and rsync that to the neo Sep 25 09:11:03 or i get an ipk to install. but i source one of the scripts that bitbake generates.. :D also not the right solution Sep 25 09:12:49 i also wrote a configure script which just writes env & parameters to a logfile to understand where the pathes come from - did not see those :/ Sep 25 09:15:00 mbuf: have you build webkit? it uses qmake or am i wrong - how does /that/ work? i dont understand the dir structure of gdklauncher at all.... Sep 25 09:15:51 emdete, no idea about webkit; have to ask Mickey to use qmake; i like to stick with make :) Sep 25 09:17:04 is qmake from trolltech? Sep 25 09:19:39 emdete: yes Sep 25 09:30:25 strange... i don't understand gdklauncher at all :/ Sep 25 09:44:09 Happy Mid-Autumn Day, everyone! Sep 25 09:47:16 The dark half of the year is here.. :( Sep 25 09:48:21 or the hot half... Sep 25 09:52:30 99.5% of the earths population live south of my latiude Sep 25 09:54:05 been there.. done that Sep 25 09:54:40 Oh well, I have a bright monitor! :D Sep 25 09:55:06 i kinda miss the snow... Sep 25 09:55:32 Yes, it's worst before everything turns white Sep 25 09:56:01 nothin like a moonlight ski Sep 25 10:02:56 ljp: howdy :) don't want to brother you, but any news for me? Sep 25 10:18:49 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] Sep 25 10:27:22 Hi Sep 25 10:29:51 hello Sep 25 10:30:06 hi Sep 25 11:22:45 hrm... why does openembedded break every single time i try to build a new version? Sep 25 11:23:08 * nbd wonders how to fix the webkit-gtk compile breakage Sep 25 11:23:36 nbd: it's not OE, it's webkit-gtk which follows SVN and tends to break a lot... Sep 25 11:24:02 last time i had to fix 5 packages from OE before it compiled Sep 25 11:26:00 grüße aus Östereich :) Sep 25 11:26:08 how are you guys Sep 25 11:26:39 well me, I have managed to finaly brick my neo Sep 25 11:26:47 Congratulations! Sep 25 11:26:52 What did you do? Sep 25 11:27:00 i have been throug all the wiki s now Sep 25 11:27:16 And do you have a debug board. Sep 25 11:27:31 what the hack is OpenOcd and JTag Sep 25 11:27:40 yes i do hava a debug board Sep 25 11:27:45 What did you do? Sep 25 11:28:02 i connected the debug board to my neo Sep 25 11:28:24 i connected the debug board to my host Sep 25 11:28:41 i have my /dev/ttyUSB0 and 1 up now Sep 25 11:29:24 What initially did you do in order to brick it? Sep 25 11:29:58 the wrong thing Sep 25 11:30:12 i had to build libftdi-0.10 'cause ubuntu newses ist 0.7 Sep 25 11:30:18 well, i dont know Sep 25 11:30:32 I just hat it run for a couple of days Sep 25 11:30:35 doning nothing Sep 25 11:30:52 than i started my host again and gone it was Sep 25 11:30:55 Are you sure it's simply not a flat battery? Sep 25 11:31:03 hu? Sep 25 11:31:17 well i allway was connected Sep 25 11:31:27 but sure you are right Sep 25 11:31:38 Do you have a multimeter? Sep 25 11:32:11 Unless you were actively doing stuff - flashing uboot, or doing dd randomly to the flash device, it should not be brickable Sep 25 11:32:12 well, i think so Sep 25 11:32:26 how long do it need to load Sep 25 11:32:54 does it load while still not responding? Sep 25 11:33:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger Sep 25 11:34:03 thx Sep 25 11:34:09 See the info at the bottom Sep 25 11:41:23 the debug board dont work without a loaded battery in the neo, righ? Sep 25 11:43:29 possibly not. Sep 25 11:43:43 Certainly not I think actuallyh Sep 25 11:48:28 the thing is, i had neo starting the complete system before it stalled and never got back on Sep 25 11:50:00 what do you mean by complete system, and stalled? Sep 25 11:51:25 well it did boot and while starting up the UI it stopped playing the start sound, while making a nasty noise - than switch itself off Sep 25 11:51:49 That's exactly what would be expected if the battery was flat. Sep 25 11:51:56 oh Sep 25 11:51:57 ok Sep 25 11:52:07 The battery charging stuff is broken at the moment. Sep 25 11:52:37 well, how to charge it then? Sep 25 11:52:44 openmoko: 03thomas * r3036 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Sep 25 11:52:44 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: Sep 25 11:52:44 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-search-bar.c: Sep 25 11:52:44 openmoko: Fix some typos in the documentation Sep 25 11:54:28 isnt it enought to let it load 10 hours now? Sep 25 12:07:12 I GOT IT BACK ON! Sep 25 12:07:28 how to get to the fast loading mode? Sep 25 12:07:44 i am in the u-boot menu now Sep 25 12:08:40 RalphEichelberge: Isn't it an option for that? Sep 25 12:08:53 ? Sep 25 12:08:58 I can't remember, since my uboot menu is broken :( Sep 25 12:09:13 i am sorry for you :( Sep 25 12:09:31 but no there isnt a optinon in the u boot Sep 25 12:09:34 RalphEichelberge: I guess http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger says how to do it? Sep 25 12:10:05 RalphEichelberge: Ah, it's not default Sep 25 12:10:30 RalphEichelberge: Check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Battery_charger_related Sep 25 12:10:36 no there is only that there is a driver Sep 25 12:11:01 what mean set console to usb btw? Sep 25 12:13:24 however, guys, it is up again Sep 25 12:13:36 thx for beeing with me :) Sep 25 12:16:59 RalphEichelberge: Set console to usb is what you have to to to be able to use cu or minicom to /dev/ttyACM0 to access the neo in u-boot mode Sep 25 12:17:32 i have booted linux and prevented it from startig up X - now it ist in fast chage mode Sep 25 12:17:33 root@fic-gta01:/$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode Sep 25 12:17:33 fast_cccv Sep 25 12:17:51 i see - if i go to serial what happens? Sep 25 12:18:10 there is no serial, rightr? Sep 25 12:18:36 It's serial over usb :) Sep 25 12:18:45 really? Sep 25 12:18:47 ok Sep 25 12:18:59 now my mission is to read from SIM Sep 25 12:19:07 The thing is that it's the same serial that's used for communicating with the gsm modem Sep 25 12:19:10 how would you start ? Sep 25 12:19:19 What do you want to read from the sim? Sep 25 12:19:22 Doesn't that work? Sep 25 12:19:30 the SIM-Operator ID Sep 25 12:19:42 I'd use the gsmd console Sep 25 12:19:47 hey, how about somone to do somthing like this for the NEO ;P Sep 25 12:20:20 RalphEichelberge: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode Sep 25 12:21:52 well nice the Sep 25 12:21:56 sonar Sep 25 12:22:10 moin Sep 25 12:22:12 i did the shell mode allready Sep 25 12:22:32 santaclaus666: Heh, cool thing Sep 25 12:22:36 but there is no option to read the SIM's Data Sep 25 12:22:56 i guess there are AT-command Sep 25 12:22:59 s Sep 25 12:23:01 to do so Sep 25 12:23:02 santaclaus666: I wonder if you can use the stereo speakers on the neo for even better accuracy Sep 25 12:23:14 There's a list of all AT-commands in the wiki too Sep 25 12:23:30 yes - i got the pdf too Sep 25 12:23:36 yah ;) probably it can be combined in some way with the 3d acceleromerter and the gps ;) Sep 25 12:23:46 now i only have to find a working image again Sep 25 12:23:50 RalphEichelberge: Hey, you're a step ahead every time now ;) Sep 25 12:24:12 CM :) Sep 25 12:24:53 there was a URL with uptodate snapshots of the image - do you kown it? Sep 25 12:25:29 hi Sep 25 12:28:29 RalphEichelberge: You mean ScaredyCat's images? Sep 25 12:28:35 Or the official build host? Sep 25 12:29:55 hey placid Sep 25 12:30:00 I don't know if there's any images availible with mwester's patches that fix gsmd Sep 25 12:30:39 I think that it may be skipped by build host because of the sane rev mechanism Sep 25 12:31:23 Heh, I haven't seen a sane rev for almost a month.. ;) Sep 25 12:32:03 RalphEichelberge: Here's some fairly recent images at least: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ Sep 25 12:49:40 CM : mwester's fix, have you seen it? Would it be something like: stty -F /dev/ttyACM0 -echo ? Sep 25 12:50:55 sannes: Look at http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788#c20 Sep 25 12:52:04 ok again me Sep 25 12:52:06 Haven't tried that latest patch either Sep 25 12:52:14 Oh no! :P Sep 25 12:53:40 i am running a neo v4 Sep 25 12:53:55 and have that problem Bug 256 Sep 25 12:54:06 is there a way to get it to work? Sep 25 12:54:24 i know - with qtopia it works fine Sep 25 12:55:47 is there a difference in the kernel? Sep 25 12:57:02 No, it's the same kernel Sep 25 12:57:18 well where is the difference? Sep 25 12:57:40 gsmd vs qtopias way to handle the gsm modem Sep 25 12:58:17 yes i know Sep 25 12:58:22 they dont have gsmd Sep 25 12:58:41 do you know how they do communicate with the modem? Sep 25 12:58:51 MAybe ask ljp about it? Or in #qtopia Sep 25 12:59:00 i see Sep 25 12:59:08 thx ill try Sep 25 12:59:24 :) Sep 25 13:02:03 RalphEichelberge: what do you mean? Sep 25 13:02:25 emdete Sep 25 13:02:43 i just wanted to talk to my modem in my neo Sep 25 13:02:50 but it hangs Sep 25 13:03:05 RalphEichelberge: qtopia supports gsm0710 in userland. the use there event mechanism between the apps that use the modem Sep 25 13:03:21 RalphEichelberge: no hope to use that model in om Sep 25 13:03:30 i know Sep 25 13:03:36 RalphEichelberge: did you follow the wiki? Sep 25 13:03:44 but if i want to use cu it hangs Sep 25 13:03:51 like in that buch 256 Sep 25 13:03:55 bug Sep 25 13:03:56 emdete: well the usage of QCOP is just an implementation detail, with probably a one line change it is using dbus Sep 25 13:03:59 did you reset via /sys...? Sep 25 13:04:33 i did what i found in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Sep 25 13:04:37 zecke: you won't want to use d-bus for every 32byte package especially for gprs/ppp Sep 25 13:04:59 does anbody have an idea how i can get a known working webkit-gtk version in my oe/om build tree? Sep 25 13:05:07 emdete: what makes you think grps is going to use QCOP/dbus? Sep 25 13:05:29 nbd: the last time I checked webkit-gtk was pinned to a certain revision Sep 25 13:05:36 zecke: ppp is on top of one channel of gsm0710 or am i wrong? Sep 25 13:05:49 zecke: well, mine apparently builds a broken one Sep 25 13:06:10 complains about missing libc symbols Sep 25 13:06:10 emdete: right, but at least they used to exec a helper to use such a channel exclusively Sep 25 13:06:28 emdete: so for PPPD it used to dial the number and then passed control over to pppd Sep 25 13:06:40 zecke: i would like a more unix-like aproach better Sep 25 13:07:10 zecke: using qcop all the time per package as i understand that Sep 25 13:08:25 also if i use libgsmd-tool -m atcmd Sep 25 13:08:56 i get this: Sep 25 13:08:58 root@fic-gta01:~$ libgsmd-tool -m atcmd Sep 25 13:08:58 libgsm-tool - (C) 2006 by Harald Welte Sep 25 13:08:58 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Sep 25 13:08:58 at Sep 25 13:08:58 STR=`at' Sep 25 13:08:59 root@fic-gta01:~$ libgsmd-tool -m atcmd Sep 25 13:09:01 libgsm-tool - (C) 2006 by Harald Welte Sep 25 13:09:03 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Sep 25 13:09:05 Can't connect to gsmd Sep 25 13:09:07 root@fic-gta01:~$ Sep 25 13:09:17 RalphEichelberge: then gsmd is not running at all Sep 25 13:09:20 ? Sep 25 13:09:33 well it ran before Sep 25 13:09:35 RalphEichelberge: i would start wth trying to use at in /dev/ttyACM0 drectly Sep 25 13:09:43 RalphEichelberge: it dies often Sep 25 13:09:47 see /tmp/gsm.log Sep 25 13:09:57 you will notice the 'modem dead' message Sep 25 13:10:13 after that gsmd exits - don't know why Sep 25 13:10:51 yes Sep 25 13:11:11 did you try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM? Sep 25 13:11:13 and before that : gsmd_usock_user_cb() EOF, this client has just vanished Sep 25 13:11:22 yes Sep 25 13:11:24 RalphEichelberge: yes, that ist libtool... Sep 25 13:11:55 you know what - libgsmd-tool worked fine in an other build Sep 25 13:12:02 hmm, last build on buildhost from the 17th Sep 25 13:12:06 still Sep 25 13:12:19 can u give me that url Sep 25 13:12:26 please Sep 25 13:12:27 two more days and we're without a new build for ten days Sep 25 13:13:53 and now my neo goes suspend and kills my ssh session every time Sep 25 13:14:12 suspend? wow - cool Sep 25 13:14:17 :-/ Sep 25 13:14:50 i just pressed the power button than it flashed completey white Sep 25 13:14:59 and went back to UI Sep 25 13:15:34 strange Sep 25 13:15:41 where is that build host ? Sep 25 13:15:52 hhf423! Sep 25 13:16:03 second Sep 25 13:16:22 i am building one my own at the moment - will last till tomorrow i guess Sep 25 13:16:32 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/?C=M;O=D Sep 25 13:16:51 the list of all repositories is here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories Sep 25 13:17:40 thx hhf423 Sep 25 13:18:50 how about ScaredyCat's builds? Sep 25 13:18:52