**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 03 02:59:56 2007 Oct 03 03:06:11 whats the best place to pull recent build snapshots? Oct 03 03:29:20 weez, you never got an answer? The wiki has a page about testing snapshots. You can use buildhost, but I've been building my own from source. Oct 03 03:31:47 The problem is that it's been so many weeks since the last official snapshot that we've all forgotten when and where to get it. Oct 03 03:32:03 heh Oct 03 03:32:15 I'm gonna flash my u-boot now. Oct 03 03:32:31 Sure been quiet here... Oct 03 03:34:18 * sagacis whispers, "yup" Oct 03 03:34:26 sagacis: do you have the debug board? Oct 03 03:34:33 Nope. It worked, tho Oct 03 03:34:45 livin' on the edge, huh? Oct 03 03:34:45 I guess. It rebooted ok Oct 03 03:34:50 Something like it Oct 03 03:35:09 I can't boot any of the rootfses I make. Oct 03 03:35:23 The boot process hangs right before the status bar completes. Oct 03 03:35:54 add "psplash=false" to the boot arguments so you can see what's going on. Oct 03 03:36:05 are you including the kernel patch on bug 788? Oct 03 03:36:35 I had it. Now I've tried with the raw data from make update Oct 03 03:36:38 If so, that one will cause problems if you *also* have the console disabled in the boot arguments. Oct 03 03:37:00 I'll try the psplash before laying down qtopia Oct 03 03:37:04 I've fixed it so it can handle that case as well, but I've not updated the bug with the new patch. I should do that... Oct 03 03:39:12 Yeah, I tried it both ways. It's a different lockup, tho, and I don't think I have the patch Oct 03 03:40:06 ouch. Wrong data crc Oct 03 03:40:11 sagacis: thanks, i will check the wiki Oct 03 03:40:30 sagacis: I seem to recall before someone in the channel who had daily builds as well.. Oct 03 03:40:33 sagacis: have you been doing the "nand erase rootfs" dance? Oct 03 03:40:43 "JFFS2 notice: (822) check_node_data:wrong data CRC in data node ...." Oct 03 03:40:57 mwester: yes Oct 03 03:41:03 Hmmm... Oct 03 03:41:04 weez, scaredycat Oct 03 03:41:20 something like buildhost.openmoko.it Oct 03 03:41:55 mwester: I reflashed because I couldn't ipkg upgrade any more. I got failed MD5sums. Oct 03 03:42:01 Did I download a new processor? Oct 03 03:42:13 Maybe I'm little-endian now? Oct 03 03:42:37 sagacis: sheesh, are you sure your box is reliable? you are having way too many random failures... memtest86? Oct 03 03:42:51 That would suck. Oct 03 03:43:03 I can't run memtest on it if I can't boot it. :( Oct 03 03:43:13 Oh, you mean my host? Oct 03 03:43:16 sagacis: I mean your PC Oct 03 03:43:19 sagacis: yup Oct 03 03:43:26 I'll give it a shot. It's only a few months old. Oct 03 03:43:33 sagacis: 'cause if it's flippin' some of the bits, it can explain a lot. Oct 03 03:43:51 True, true. Oct 03 03:44:10 * cesarb always runs at least one full pass of memtest86 from the install CD before doing anything on a new box Oct 03 03:44:15 I'll install qtopia (to get at the /opt/*), then try flashing a snapshot tomorrow. Oct 03 03:44:58 I could try a different machine, but this is the only meaty Linux box I have. Oct 03 03:50:33 * mwester now has a bluetooth keyboard connected to his neo... :D Oct 03 03:50:51 * sagacis is jealous Oct 03 03:51:22 The only down-side is that it happens to be a full-size Dell keyboard... Oct 03 03:55:42 mwester: you could add some straps and sling it over your shoulder... and type as if you were playing a guitar ;-) Oct 03 03:56:05 "keyboard hero!" Oct 03 03:58:56 At least my device seems to be working. I'll carry the qtopia image tomorrow and try a snapshot tomorrow evening. Oct 03 03:59:04 Now, I must be off to bed. Oct 03 04:29:51 mtdram rocks... you can take any jffs2 image and make a tar.gz from it. No more flashing! Oct 03 04:45:15 hi Oct 03 04:51:36 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[User:Sagacis/ForceFeedback]] Oct 03 06:34:00 morning all Oct 03 06:40:21 ein schönen guten Morgen Oct 03 06:40:39 gibt es was neues ? Oct 03 06:40:46 nix Oct 03 06:40:59 ok Oct 03 07:05:47 wow ist ja die hölle los hier :) Oct 03 07:12:48 Ist es? :P Oct 03 07:13:16 yeah, crazy parting all night long in this channel every night Oct 03 07:13:23 *partying Oct 03 07:13:31 but maybe parting works better. hmm. Oct 03 07:14:20 Ralph: hoelle, hoelle, hoelle ... Oct 03 07:25:55 allright - how can i just rebuild my gsmd? Oct 03 07:26:06 there is a make clean-package right? Oct 03 07:26:50 dumm gefragt? Oct 03 07:28:10 well - i found it :) its make clean-package-gsm Oct 03 07:29:16 * Ralph führt offenbar Selbstgespräche auf IRC - oh Gott! Oct 03 07:29:28 :D Oct 03 07:30:44 ERROR: No providers of build target gsm (for []) Oct 03 07:30:44 make: *** [clean-package-gsm] Fehler 1 Oct 03 07:30:46 Or just bitbake -c rebuild gsmd Oct 03 07:31:06 cd build first, then source ../setup_env Oct 03 07:31:08 ralph@xeon2:~/moko$ bitbake -c rebuild gsmd Oct 03 07:31:08 bash: bitbake: command not found Oct 03 07:33:00 source ../setup-env Oct 03 07:33:06 THX CM!!! Oct 03 07:33:49 Sorry for the _ ;) Oct 03 07:34:12 does make update "rm" something first? Oct 03 07:34:34 because it coundt find some sources after i interrupted update Oct 03 07:34:46 Don't really know.. Have you modified something in the tree? Oct 03 07:35:44 tar: /home/ralph/moko20071001/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_2957_.tar.gz: Kann open nicht ausführen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Oct 03 07:35:44 t Oct 03 07:36:20 Hmm.. It shouldn't remove files, doesn't do that for me at least Oct 03 07:36:38 that is strange Oct 03 07:36:54 Maye unable to checkout that file from svn or so Oct 03 07:36:58 Maybe Oct 03 07:37:05 i only added that line for the paches Oct 03 07:39:15 ralph@xeon2:~/moko/build$ ls /home/ralph/moko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_2957_.tar.gz.* Oct 03 07:39:15 /home/ralph/moko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_2957_.tar.gz.lock Oct 03 07:39:15 /home/ralph/moko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_2957_.tar.gz.md5 Oct 03 07:39:25 ...lock???? Oct 03 07:39:46 Move those files somewhere and see what happens Oct 03 07:39:53 ill remove it Oct 03 07:41:43 well it got stuck - i removed them and now it just took it from the web again :) - but - what about my patches? Oct 03 07:42:32 did it do that .lock because i changed something in the sources? Oct 03 07:42:45 that would be a good thing though Oct 03 07:51:28 how do i change the the project status phases in projects.openmoko.org for a project? Oct 03 07:54:39 ok, it is in Group Trove organization Oct 03 07:58:01 what do you guys use as a stand to hold the Neo1973 phone? Oct 03 08:00:01 mbuf: a desk :-D Oct 03 08:00:36 ARRRR! Oct 03 08:00:39 ralph@xeon2:~/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/target/gsm$ QUILT_PATCHES=/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/target/gsm$ quilt push -a Oct 03 08:00:39 Keine Patches in der series-Datei Oct 03 08:00:47 help! Oct 03 08:01:17 how to f.kn patch that gsmd? Oct 03 08:01:43 maybe i am faster doing it manually :( Oct 03 08:25:29 hi Oct 03 08:26:47 gah! Oct 03 08:26:49 gah! Oct 03 08:26:50 gah! Oct 03 08:29:20 good morning all Oct 03 08:29:21 what news? Oct 03 08:29:54 I really love it when stuff gets changed in oe so that it doesn't actually work.... Oct 03 08:30:16 * ScaredyCat spanks XorA Oct 03 08:30:48 ScaredyCat: what doesnt work? Oct 03 08:30:55 fontconfig Oct 03 08:30:59 ScaredyCat: thos promised those svn revs I used yesterday did work Oct 03 08:31:15 ScaredyCat: define not work? Oct 03 08:31:27 yeah, and the government promised me no more taxes Oct 03 08:31:53 NOTE: package fontconfig-2.4.1-r1: task do_fetch: started Oct 03 08:31:53 sh: oe_sha256sum: command not found Oct 03 08:31:53 NOTE: The SHA256 Sums do not match. Wanted: '13f59a7cd5190983412689495c399444cf73c1ced0813149e4480c8848bb9f17' Got: '' Oct 03 08:31:53 NOTE: Task failed: Checksum of 'http://fontconfig.org/release/fontconfig-2.4.1.tar.gz' failed Oct 03 08:32:11 oe_sha256sum appears to be ... or not be Oct 03 08:33:01 tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin/oe_sha256sum Oct 03 08:34:31 * ScaredyCat blames ScaredyCat Oct 03 08:34:45 sorry Oct 03 08:34:51 user error... Oct 03 08:34:54 :-D Oct 03 08:34:59 ssh'd into wrong box Oct 03 08:35:04 * XorA chuckles Oct 03 08:35:13 * CM files yet another pebcak report ;) Oct 03 08:35:21 Bah, pepkac Oct 03 08:35:33 pepcak? Oct 03 08:36:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebkac Oct 03 08:36:12 yes Oct 03 08:36:20 or wetware interface error Oct 03 08:36:28 There's no "pepcak" there Oct 03 08:36:33 Aka ID10T error Oct 03 08:36:41 peBkac Oct 03 08:36:48 * XorA doesnt mind user error as long as the person comes clean about it, I hate people who have a wetware failure, then try and wiggle out of it Oct 03 08:37:05 I know of pebkac, but CM corrected (?) himself to pepkac. ;P Oct 03 08:37:14 I bought www.id10t.no ;P Oct 03 08:37:19 Hehe Oct 03 08:37:23 lol Oct 03 08:37:45 ph34r my webdesign skills. :o Oct 03 08:38:01 (brb) Oct 03 08:41:25 * cjb_ie likes yes.and.no Oct 03 08:52:07 oh.no Oct 03 09:14:54 Hi, some MokoMakefile experts online ?? Oct 03 09:20:14 i created a personal ipkg repo and successfully installed a few packages but on one it constantly throws an error "package perl-module-strict md5sum mismatch" I tried to do make clean-package-perl and then make build-package-perl again but it stayed the same. when i download the package manually I get the error "ipkg: invalid magic" any ideas? Oct 03 09:21:22 moin Oct 03 09:25:31 matsimoto: Generally, just ask, or show a pastebin with the problem. Someone will come along and see it, if not, ask again a while later :) Oct 03 09:27:10 Ok, I have a problem building openmoko webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25808-r1 it dies with error .../lib/libicui18n.so: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)@GLIBCXX_3.4' Oct 03 09:27:29 I rebuilded glibc but this doesnt help Oct 03 09:27:33 matsimoto: I had that problem too Oct 03 09:27:45 For me it was a problem building icu Oct 03 09:28:08 do you have a workaround for this ? Oct 03 09:28:28 I did the stupid solution and just rebuild everything Oct 03 09:28:39 But since you've already rebuilt glibc Oct 03 09:28:44 Try rebuilding icu Oct 03 09:28:55 Then webkit-gtk again Oct 03 09:29:15 hmm, ok thanks I will try this. Oct 03 09:30:37 if it does not work I will follow the stupid solution ;) Oct 03 09:31:11 Hehe, it's timeconsuming, but if you just leave it on over night it doesn't matter much Oct 03 09:31:50 yepp, I will go to work today and my pc at home will work too. :) Oct 03 09:49:05 hello Oct 03 09:50:21 do anybody know, if the Neo1973 shipping on 25th December is also available in germany? Oct 03 09:51:37 And do anybody know what shipping prices and duties I have to pay in Germany? Oct 03 09:51:37 linux-bastler: it's available in Taiwan, and international orders, from what I know. Oct 03 09:54:14 lsog | grep tty doesn't show gsmd running; how to start gsmd? (using OM2007.2) Oct 03 09:54:35 `/etc/init.d/gsmd start` Oct 03 09:56:20 emdete, thanks Oct 03 09:56:22 linux-bastler: what do you mean with 'shipping on 25th December'? gta02? Oct 03 09:57:21 yes Oct 03 09:57:46 linux-bastler: where did u read that it will be avaiable on 25th dec? Oct 03 09:58:20 emdete: I think someone put Christmas day in the wiki somewhere as a joke... (wasn't me) Oct 03 09:58:35 gordonsyme: seems so... Oct 03 09:58:51 gordonsyme: hopefully delivery is fast enough... Oct 03 09:58:54 I read about shipping on 25th december at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 Oct 03 09:59:09 well santas elves will be busy....... Oct 03 09:59:15 linux-bastler: i paid 300EUR inclusive shipping and about 50EUR tax Oct 03 09:59:21 If this is a joke, when would it be in shipping? Oct 03 09:59:51 linux-bastler: for the gta01 without debugboard... Oct 03 10:00:18 I'm waiting so long for october and then shipping is displaced to october Oct 03 10:00:18 linux-bastler: probably around that time (not that I have any more info than anyone else). I'd be well surprised if they started shipping on a day where a lot of the world shuts down though... Oct 03 10:00:53 linux-bastler: i think there is some discussion if shipping start if the software is not ready... Oct 03 10:01:21 I meant december Oct 03 10:02:05 I think with a notice on the ordering page that the software isn't ready it's ok Oct 03 10:02:23 because I want this phone but I want it with wireless lan Oct 03 10:03:13 linux-bastler: the gta01 has alread wireless network - bt with pan is just the same ;) Oct 03 10:05:11 linux-bastler: for german related neo & openmoko stuff you can also just visit #neo1973-germany ;-) Oct 03 10:05:27 ok Oct 03 10:05:36 I will visit this channel Oct 03 10:06:25 but a bigger wish is that a neo visits me Oct 03 10:09:28 what is Santa's Sleigh Package Service ? Oct 03 10:13:45 Sorry, I thought it would be clear that it was a joke. Oct 03 10:13:49 hi, does the neo recharge battery by the USB port and transformer? Oct 03 10:14:02 edistar: you charge it via a USB port, yes Oct 03 10:14:38 SpeedEvil: my English isn't that good to understand it actually Oct 03 10:15:10 SpeedEvil: I got it now I guess Oct 03 10:15:12 anyways Oct 03 10:15:21 * CVirus is crying for a Neo1873 Oct 03 10:15:24 CVirus: I should have thought of that. I was computing the likely date - based on past delays and timescales. Oct 03 10:15:35 And happened to hit a date of December 20. Oct 03 10:16:23 SpeedEvil: 25th is not official then ? Oct 03 10:16:46 do you know if I can buy one directly by China or USA address? Oct 03 10:17:13 So just the delivery service in as a joke. (Santa Claus - Father Christmas - is supposed to deliver presents on a sleigh, drawn by reindeer - hence the delivery. It's been recently commented that 'early to mid december' is likely. Oct 03 10:17:17 Officially. Oct 03 10:17:26 edu: no. You have to buy via mail order. Oct 03 10:29:33 using OM2007.2 image, AT commands work only if gsmd start on boot-up; if i start it manually using /etc/init.d/gsmd start, it doesn't seem to respond; has anyone encountered this problem before? Oct 03 10:30:19 *starts on boot-up Oct 03 10:31:23 mbuf: what does 'AT commands work' mean? did you try cu on /dev/tty...? Oct 03 10:31:45 mbuf: a `/etc/init.d/gsmd stop` may help also Oct 03 10:32:06 emdete, i am testing with libgsmd API to send AT commands Oct 03 10:32:09 mbuf: as far as i remember it resets the modem with stop Oct 03 10:32:14 emdete, i see Oct 03 10:32:49 mbuf: your own program or libgsmd-tool? Oct 03 10:33:00 emdete, own :) Oct 03 10:33:20 mbuf: cool... Oct 03 10:33:32 mbuf: why do u send at commands? Oct 03 10:33:40 emdete, to test GSM chipset Oct 03 10:34:04 mbuf: hm, whatever you are testing ;) Oct 03 10:48:20 is there a command line method to check if the battery is fully loaded ? Oct 03 10:49:34 #!/bin/ash Oct 03 10:49:34 cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battvol Oct 03 10:49:43 4200 or so is fully charged Oct 03 10:50:12 SpeedEvil: thanks Oct 03 10:50:23 battvolt Oct 03 10:50:37 3800 or so is 50% Oct 03 10:53:22 SpeedEvil: I need this path: cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt is my version old ? Oct 03 10:53:35 dunno Oct 03 10:53:51 the path varies for kernel Oct 03 10:53:57 on the kernel version Oct 03 10:54:09 ah, ok. Oct 03 11:12:16 SpeedEvil: I think you just missed a t at the end :) Oct 03 11:13:16 CM: compare the paths Oct 03 11:13:41 I noticed the 0 and the adapter too... Oct 03 11:14:09 * CM hides behind the sleigh :P Oct 03 11:14:58 when you buy a SIM card, doesn't the operator give you a 4-digit CPIN number? Oct 03 11:15:17 not always. Oct 03 11:15:27 Sometimes it's just 0000 Oct 03 11:15:29 Many cards in the UK are sold with no CPIN Oct 03 11:15:47 SpeedEvil, in which case, AT commands should work without asking for CPIN? Oct 03 11:15:59 yes. Oct 03 11:16:06 My SIM has no PIN at all. Oct 03 11:16:24 And requires no pin setting Oct 03 11:16:30 Don't you have to enter 0000 anyway? Oct 03 11:17:00 IfChinsCouldKill: Yes, but I only did that to disable the pin ;) Oct 03 11:17:59 mookid: no Oct 03 11:18:02 IfChinsCouldKill: no Oct 03 11:18:27 IfChinsCouldKill: I just do at+cfun=1, at+cops, atd, and it works Oct 03 11:18:32 No PIN entry at all Oct 03 11:20:08 just wait until USIM becomes manstream, then you have to remeber 16 pins :-D Oct 03 11:20:48 do you think is any restriction by the operator for the device, other than the SIM? Oct 03 11:21:57 the PIN can be changed or disabled Oct 03 11:28:37 anyone an idea how I could get a mobile data connection during a 1 week trip to the US? (or any ideas, which channel I might consult) Oct 03 11:28:37 tomww: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Oct 03 11:29:33 tomww: in the us most hotels have internet in the rooms... Oct 03 11:29:38 tomww, gsm roaming, for example Oct 03 11:30:00 tuukkah: which is very expansive Oct 03 11:30:21 there was no question of price or coverage =) Oct 03 11:30:22 exactly. I would like to use a 1-month or a prepaid card plus data option... Oct 03 11:30:34 tuukkah: *g* Oct 03 11:31:08 tomww: i don't think u can use gprs with roaming... don't know Oct 03 11:31:10 but browsing the carriers doesn't tell anythin about data (most of them)... Oct 03 11:31:50 tomww: ah, you mean a prepaid card in the us Oct 03 11:31:51 ? Oct 03 11:32:07 roaming for gprs data might work, but every 10kbyte it would be 0.10 to 0.20 euro-cent Oct 03 11:32:56 emdete: if i could stick in such a prepaid card with data option, this would be graet. even if only 5MB ... Oct 03 11:33:08 It doesn't work that way Oct 03 11:33:20 It's prepaid money amount typically. Oct 03 11:33:30 I'm a bit wonderung, sinc in Germany we have a data-option with 200MBytes/month for EUR 20/month Oct 03 11:33:31 And rate varies dramatically depending on country Oct 03 11:34:07 tomww: where do you go in the us? Oct 03 11:34:31 las vegas Oct 03 11:41:15 if i don't get RSTR response when I send STR as AT, and lsof | grep tty shows gsmd running, what could be the problem? Oct 03 11:43:43 mbuf, are you sending as AT using libgsmd-tool -m atcmd? Oct 03 11:44:11 tuukkah, yes Oct 03 11:45:01 tuukkah, last option is to update to a new OM2007.2 image Oct 03 11:45:52 you could try directly without gsmd as it's known to have communication bugs Oct 03 11:46:15 tuukkah, how? Oct 03 11:46:41 we have instructions in the wiki using cu, but i prefer socat myself Oct 03 11:47:27 mbuf, i mean http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Oct 03 11:47:33 tuukkah, i am trying to write an application with AT commands, so i need to use libgsmd API Oct 03 11:48:02 mbuf, you can always test with a simpler setup Oct 03 11:50:57 tuukkah, with cu -l /dev/ttySAC0, i am hitting BUG#256, http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256 Oct 03 11:52:42 mbuf, "from a parallel session stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts" Oct 03 11:52:57 tuukkah, yes, that helps Oct 03 11:54:32 tuukkah, so, what is your suggestion on dealing with libgsmd API; i would like to automate these AT commands testing Oct 03 11:57:58 could you write your app so that it writes the commands to and reads the replies from another process? then you could use "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd" as the process when it works, "cu -l /dev/ttySAC0" when it works, and "socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts" when it's available Oct 03 12:01:15 tuukkah, that went over my head :) Oct 03 12:01:49 mbuf, what language are you programming in? Oct 03 12:02:21 tuukkah, C, and GTK+; i can send code, if you'd like to have a look at it Oct 03 12:02:35 tuukkah, with libgsmd API as back-end Oct 03 12:02:46 tuukkah, GPL, of course Oct 03 12:03:08 is the libgsmd api a requirement and why? Oct 03 12:03:20 tuukkah, no, i thought it will make life easier :) Oct 03 12:03:51 mbuf, well, it probably does when there are no bugs in it :-) Oct 03 12:04:00 tuukkah, :) Oct 03 12:07:00 actually, now that you tried with cu, what was the result? Oct 03 12:07:12 tuukkah, it works fine :) Oct 03 12:07:27 so it would seem to be a bug in gsmd? Oct 03 12:07:41 tuukkah, yes Oct 03 12:07:56 have you looked at /tmp/gsmd.log? Oct 03 12:08:39 tuukkah, when i test my application? Oct 03 12:08:48 tuukkah, that uses libgsmd, wait, will have a look Oct 03 12:09:07 yes - when the at command fails, there's perhaps something in the log Oct 03 12:12:36 whats the most working image atm? Oct 03 12:15:45 tuukkah, when i run my application with libgsmd, it just hangs at STR=`AT' ; nothing in /tmp/gsmd.log Oct 03 12:16:43 mbuf, would that be because gsmd hasn't started properly? Oct 03 12:17:16 tuukkah, lsof | grep tty, shows gsmd running Oct 03 12:17:35 Psi, the opinion of the wiki is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing Oct 03 12:18:14 * Psi looks Oct 03 12:19:24 mbuf, when gsmd starts, it prints a lot of messages in /tmp/gsmd.log. are you seeing those at least? Oct 03 12:19:55 isnt /tmp an odd place to keep log files? :P Oct 03 12:20:27 yeah, one might think /var/log was a more appropriate place :-) Oct 03 12:20:57 tuukkah, yes, those appear, like 'AT+CGMF=0', 'AT+CTZR=1' etc. Oct 03 12:21:23 mbuf, what about if you use libgsmd-tool -m atcmd? Oct 03 12:21:38 tuukkah, some new messages, gsmd_alive timer expired, modem dead! Oct 03 12:21:47 tuukkah, ok, it has died now :( Oct 03 12:22:59 tuukkah, let me try libgsmd-tool Oct 03 12:25:20 openmoko: 03chris * r3075 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog src/moko-draw.c): Shift the offset to make the pattern less uniform-looking Oct 03 12:26:05 tuukkah, it gets stuck with the #bug 256, but, when I do stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts it gets restored Oct 03 12:27:14 how old system are you using exactly? Oct 03 12:28:59 tuukkah, three weeks, i guess; i commented all the updates in the MokoMakefile, didn't want to update it; maybe i should? Oct 03 12:29:41 tuukkah, i am using this method, http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/index.php/OpenMoko_Hello_World_Debian_20072#bitbake_and_generating_packages Oct 03 12:29:55 hmm, three weeks isn't that much, and i've heard for a couple of days the images have been problematic. but i'm about to try with an image i just compiled Oct 03 12:30:31 tuukkah, would you like to join the project at projects.openmoko.org, if interested? Oct 03 12:31:54 tuukkah, that is why i didn't want to update my code base :) but, this application is primarily intended to automate AT test suite; and testing gsmd would be handy Oct 03 12:32:23 i didn't quite get the idea of the project yet. is it a gui frontend not unlike libgsmd-tool -m atcmd, or an automatic test suite, or? Oct 03 12:33:38 tuukkah, both :) this worked for OM2007.1 - http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/openmoko/images/at-test-suite-window.png Oct 03 12:36:44 any ETA on when we can start to buy the openmoko? Oct 03 12:36:44 bentob0x: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Oct 03 12:36:56 nice bot :) Oct 03 12:37:56 does someone know what can I do if the handset is locked by the GSM operator? Oct 03 12:38:41 ask the operator how much it costs to get it unlocked? :] Oct 03 12:40:02 is there something I can do from the Neo (I mean I've the source code) ? Oct 03 12:40:03 edu, just ask them to unlock it Oct 03 12:40:45 I didn't think the Neo could be locked Oct 03 12:40:52 edu, i called cingular and asked them to unlock my phone because I "was going abroad" and they unlocked it Oct 03 12:41:03 (I suppose it could be possible if the GSM chipset implemented the locking) Oct 03 12:43:30 xamindar: do you know what cingular do to unlock it? the IMEI is the SIM... Oct 03 12:45:51 edu, it depends on the phone. it's in the software of the phone Oct 03 12:46:15 edu: IMEI is the phone Oct 03 12:46:20 edu: IMSI is the SIM Oct 03 12:47:09 sorry yes your are right... Oct 03 12:47:21 so i don't think the openmoko will be locked. if it did we could just reflash it with unlocked software ;) Oct 03 12:47:27 the IMEI is what the operator should register, right? Oct 03 12:47:32 edu: I spent 5 years writing SIM :-D Oct 03 12:47:53 edu: most networks ignore IMEI unless they have anti-theft or anti-cloning initiatives Oct 03 12:47:54 edu, they register both i think Oct 03 12:48:06 ok thanks Oct 03 12:48:12 but you don't have to have your imei registered Oct 03 12:48:26 IMEI isnt very unique in most parts of Europe Oct 03 12:48:52 ok so how is the handset locked by the operator? Oct 03 12:49:10 edu: what do you mean by locked? Oct 03 12:49:32 edu: simlock normally the phone checks for operater identifier on sim and refuses to boot if its not there Oct 03 12:49:42 deny of service. Oct 03 12:49:59 IMEI can be blocked, depends on network whether that works or not Oct 03 12:50:00 i think he is talking about it being locked to a certain network Oct 03 12:50:10 xamindar: that is SIMlock Oct 03 12:50:34 what does it have to do with sim? Oct 03 12:50:47 you can take out the sim and the phone remains locked Oct 03 12:50:54 xamindar: SIM is the only link with a network, phones know nothing about network Oct 03 12:51:14 xamindar: they put some stuff in phone firmware though that checks for a secret identifier on the SIM Oct 03 12:51:28 oh, yeah. ok. i get you Oct 03 12:51:41 it's locked to a certain network's SIM Oct 03 12:51:45 xamindar: its an option on pretty much all phones, and pretty much all phones allow you to unlock by a) reflash, or b) enter secret code Oct 03 12:51:49 xamindar: yes Oct 03 12:51:57 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Oct 03 12:52:07 the market stalls that unlock tend to reflash Oct 03 12:57:43 I read this in the community mail: "Then there's the ability of the carrier to lock the SIM or handset so it will no longer connect to the service". Oct 03 12:57:44 The handset locking is what I'm referring to. Oct 03 13:11:03 hi all Oct 03 13:11:56 edu, so the network operator just keeps a list of blocked IMEI and IMSI numbers. and a phone that tells it has one of those numbers is not given service Oct 03 13:15:00 tuukkah: Or the other way, IMEI and IMSI registered are allowed. What I don't know; is this the only way network operator can lock the handset, not the SIM? Oct 03 13:36:20 i don't see issues with a new image Oct 03 13:36:41 or i mean, no more than before, but rather less Oct 03 13:37:50 mbuf: there have been *many* important fixes to libgsmd and the /etc/init.d/gsmd startup script; try using a recent images (very recent, no older than a few days). Oct 03 13:43:41 hmm what's the at command for cancelling an outgoing call before the call is connected? Oct 03 13:44:09 openmoko-dialer isn't doing the right thing Oct 03 13:45:18 mbuf, did you want me to test some at command with the newer gsmd? Oct 03 13:46:34 mwester, thanks for the info! Oct 03 13:46:46 tuukkah, if you have the time, sure Oct 03 13:46:57 so, which command? Oct 03 13:47:52 tuukkah, AT+CGMI, AT+CGMM Oct 03 13:48:43 work Oct 03 13:49:39 tuukkah, thanks! i will update my build environment; and test code, and will let you know Oct 03 13:51:07 AT alone returns ERROR though Oct 03 13:59:14 I can't find any working image for my moko v4. :/ from ~one mouth every image freeze my moko near X start :/ Oct 03 14:00:37 can I get some help from some one? Oct 03 14:01:02 Has FIC Neo1973 wi-fi? Oct 03 14:01:02 Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F Oct 03 14:01:41 GPL drivers without documentation, bleh. Oct 03 14:02:03 * cb22 wonders if they will have advanced features Oct 03 14:02:11 IE, monitor mode, packet inkjection, etc Oct 03 14:02:29 will FIC Neo1973 be aviable in Greece? Oct 03 14:02:51 Argiris: it will be available through international orders Oct 03 14:03:31 To pretty much everyone, except some lucky guys in Taiwan or China or something over there ;) Oct 03 14:03:48 yoyo_, have you tried an image from today or yesterday or so? Oct 03 14:04:42 viq, everythings shipping from taiwan / china ? Oct 03 14:05:05 tuukkah: from what url? Oct 03 14:05:20 yoyo_, i don't know, i compile myself Oct 03 14:05:56 cb22: from what I'm aware, yes. Oct 03 14:06:07 tuukkah: ok I will try to build a image Oct 03 14:06:28 perhaps you can find an image somewhere or get mine Oct 03 14:07:38 http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ ? Oct 03 14:08:05 might be recent enough Oct 03 14:08:15 will FIC Neo1973 be available in Greece? Oct 03 14:08:15 Argiri1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Oct 03 14:08:28 has anyone got the openmoko-mediaplayer working? i get internal data flow error in gstreamer Oct 03 14:09:28 * cb22 looks at the specs for the ar6k Oct 03 14:09:37 hyyy on buildhost newest is from 07-09-17 (old?) Oct 03 14:09:47 its output power is only something like 20mw? Oct 03 14:10:38 mw is somewhat confusing Oct 03 14:11:00 inz, what do you mean? Oct 03 14:11:13 Given that W should be capital, it is not known whether m should be m or M Oct 03 14:11:14 are you referring to each speed having a different output power? Oct 03 14:11:27 * cb22 sighs Oct 03 14:11:28 mW Oct 03 14:11:30 ;) Oct 03 14:11:47 i wish MW :) Oct 03 14:12:04 then my neo could replace my microwave too Oct 03 14:13:13 It can. Oct 03 14:13:17 All you need is an array. Oct 03 14:13:53 8000 neos, with the appropriate antenna connector should work well. Oct 03 14:16:06 A phone with MW antenna... How close would you dare stand to it? ;) Oct 03 14:16:11 yoyo_, did you see the link to another buildhost? Oct 03 14:19:48 tuukkah: I found a ipkg.nslu2-linux.org :) good repo :) thx :) Oct 03 14:26:51 * jeddy3 is playing with midori a bit...damn! text on websites is so incredlibly crisp with the 285dpi screen :) Oct 03 14:29:40 hey...I have problems to build with the makefile. When I want to build fontconfig I get this: unable to get local issuer certificate and 'connection refused' Oct 03 14:34:09 what uimage is the best? Oct 03 14:37:52 jeddy3: there is one problem with that, some websites simply dont work at above about 120dpi Oct 03 14:38:00 the text gets all screwed up even on my 150dpi screen Oct 03 14:38:07 but otherwise, the more dpi, the better Oct 03 14:38:17 :) Oct 03 14:38:56 i'm still waiting for someone to figure out that more dpi is better and finally release a stand alone 17" 1920x1200 screen Oct 03 14:40:05 building one msyself seems a tad bit hard/expensive Oct 03 14:40:18 yoyo_, the latest of course :-) Oct 03 14:40:41 as long as windows doesn't support that dpi, you probably won't see it. Oct 03 14:41:02 yoyo_: ! Oct 03 14:41:02 buz: ahhh, an individual after my own heart. Oct 03 14:41:03 even if sold by say apple? Oct 03 14:41:25 if it was from apple i would have to have a long thought Oct 03 14:41:29 likely pricing would be insane then Oct 03 14:41:35 buz: it has been some one infuriating, that I can go out and buy a laptop screen which is 17" and does 1920x1200, but can't get a desktop screen of the same size and res Oct 03 14:41:40 buz: grrrrrrr Oct 03 14:41:53 wibbit: i even have 1920x1200 on 15.4" in front of my Oct 03 14:41:54 me Oct 03 14:41:58 ScaredCat: hi Oct 03 14:42:00 o.O Oct 03 14:42:18 buz: the desktop ones are just tooo damn big Oct 03 14:42:25 i was thinking of trying to get a dvi to lvds converter and use a 17" laptop screen Oct 03 14:42:30 that's insane on screen that size Oct 03 14:42:38 not really Oct 03 14:42:44 looks gorgeous at 148dpi Oct 03 14:42:53 we thought you'd been abducted by aliens yoyo_ ... Oct 03 14:43:05 yeah, but try to read something... Oct 03 14:43:21 what do you think, i have text to speech for irc? Oct 03 14:44:06 buz: DNI ;) Oct 03 14:44:17 Direct Neural Interface ;) Oct 03 14:44:28 i did have to go through some trouble to get the laptop in the first place ;) Oct 03 14:44:44 dell thought i was a bit weird for getting that screen with a GMA X3100 I guess Oct 03 14:44:45 buz: I mean on Desktop screens that provide 1920x1200 is too bi Oct 03 14:45:09 i'm gonna buy a 24" one as soon as they go below 300EUR Oct 03 14:45:38 right now its still cheaper to get 2x20" ones but hooking up two screens to a notebook is a painful exercise Oct 03 14:45:53 * SpeedEvil passes buz a hotmelt glue-gun. Oct 03 14:45:59 now if someone would sell neo like screens in desktop size, i'd order it right now Oct 03 14:46:07 buz: what is the GMA X3100 like? Oct 03 14:46:13 buz: u would need a vga and a dvi output... Oct 03 14:46:24 tomww: i actually have, but then i cant use the internal screen anymore Oct 03 14:46:38 ah, you like three screens :) Oct 03 14:46:39 wibbit: decent, but it cant do video display in compiz Oct 03 14:46:47 can't you somehow hook two screens to one dvi port? Oct 03 14:46:58 ScaredyCat: I heaving hard days at work :/ Oct 03 14:47:00 not really Oct 03 14:47:07 not any sort of resolution you really want Oct 03 14:47:21 theres that weird matrox device but it only works for 1280x1024 i believe Oct 03 14:47:38 I think the matrox devices generally support only vga Oct 03 14:47:39 the ultimate desktop http://digitaltigers.com/zenview-arena-ultrahd.shtml Oct 03 14:47:45 at least the ones I've noticed Oct 03 14:48:08 there's a 900$ box from expresscard to pci-e, if that was priced in saner regions i'd buy it Oct 03 14:48:12 what about placing a raindrop on the screen above the finger in order to magnify the tiny text? Oct 03 14:48:13 buz: yet? or ever? Oct 03 14:48:35 wibbit: ? Oct 03 14:49:08 buz: you said it can't do video display in compiz, is it just a driver issue that will be resolved, or some thign fundermentally missing from the device Oct 03 14:49:17 i'm not really sure Oct 03 14:49:23 buz: is it much faster that the previous revision? Oct 03 14:49:43 wibbit: hard to say, i dont have a comparably specced 950 Oct 03 14:49:53 okie Oct 03 14:50:12 benchmark say up to 50% faster depending on task Oct 03 14:50:39 buz: displaying text :) Oct 03 14:51:16 from what i gathered, the X3100 isn't a real gpu anyhow, it's more of a first step towards stream processing for intel Oct 03 14:52:34 well, with any luck, the ati stuff will get off the ground fairly quickly Oct 03 14:52:57 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Mokopedia]] [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] Oct 03 14:53:36 i actually sold an ati laptop just to get the x3100 ;) Oct 03 14:53:54 I am sure the screen on the new one is much nicer :\ Oct 03 14:55:08 actually that depends on what you want Oct 03 14:55:30 the old one was a T60 with 1680*1050 which had better colors, but the dell has higher resolution Oct 03 14:56:19 I think for most thing, I'd rather res over colour Oct 03 14:56:32 me too Oct 03 14:56:36 but then I'm a sys admin, not a graphics designer Oct 03 14:57:04 just get a 50" 1080p Oct 03 14:57:29 my 1920x1200 has more pixel than 1080p :P Oct 03 14:57:43 yeah, but Quake at 50" is wicked Oct 03 14:58:03 i've played it on 8foot beamer Oct 03 14:58:07 wasnt particularly impressed Oct 03 14:58:08 I'm currently waiting for some new technologies to come out before I get my new LCD Oct 03 14:58:11 now mariokart ;) Oct 03 15:21:07 hey I'm getting a "bad magic number" when trying to boot the qemu emulator Oct 03 15:22:39 no one? Oct 03 15:26:15 any help? Oct 03 15:26:16 Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) Oct 03 15:26:52 oh man.. Oct 03 15:26:55 not that counter again Oct 03 15:26:57 np: Blind Melon - Three is the magic number. Oct 03 15:27:26 I love that song Oct 03 15:27:51 Sorry, I can't help - not done the qemu thing. Oct 03 15:48:39 <3 GTA02 Oct 03 15:49:47 * cb22 would too, if i had one Oct 03 16:52:37 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MacOS_X]] [[User:Wurp]] [[Mokostat]] [[Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch]] [[Package_management]] Oct 03 16:56:54 http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/10/qt-coolness.html unless that was some humungous HTC device with keyboard, i doubt this works very well usability wise??? Oct 03 17:25:18 Can I buy neo1973 with WiFi in less than 350 euro ??? "-( Oct 03 17:26:19 USD 450 is EUR 317 Oct 03 17:26:38 when it will be realesed? Oct 03 17:26:39 + vat + shipping Oct 03 17:27:08 Argiris, latest word i've heard is november Oct 03 17:31:51 hi all Oct 03 17:33:02 hi bedboi Oct 03 17:40:13 hello Oct 03 17:40:20 tuukkah: november? Oct 03 17:40:25 tuukkah: wasn't it december? Oct 03 17:41:17 yesterday in a conference presentation, michael shiloh had the time as november Oct 03 17:41:32 w00t? Oct 03 17:41:35 which time? Oct 03 17:41:42 phase 0? Oct 03 17:41:54 yeah, who knows which phase Oct 03 17:42:29 heh Oct 03 17:42:36 hmm.. yeah Oct 03 17:42:48 I think I've read november somewhere too Oct 03 17:42:56 <|R> If we can make phone calls, send SMS (for those who care, not me) and have a usefull battery life, the rest is just in the waiting :) Oct 03 17:43:16 "The November release of GTA02 is still aimed at developers: The hardware will be finished, but the software will still be under development." Oct 03 17:43:24 from the mailing list Oct 03 17:43:29 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-October/010746.html Oct 03 17:43:53 Vegar, that description would fit phase 1 Oct 03 17:44:14 that's very interesting Oct 03 17:44:33 and very inappropriate Oct 03 17:44:41 I have three finals in December Oct 03 17:44:56 <|R> haha :) Oct 03 17:49:10 yay Oct 03 17:49:21 I need to buy the gtav2 before buying an iphone :P Oct 03 17:49:34 esp with the iphone having a toolchain now, and root access :P Oct 03 17:51:40 hi! what carrier do you guys reccomend getting (USA)? Oct 03 17:51:40 rc-1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Oct 03 17:54:45 rc-1, I use t-mobile. I don't have serious complaints, but neither do I have any fabulous stories of how helpful they've been... Oct 03 17:55:32 at&t is pretty much the non-recommendation Oct 03 17:55:55 sprint or verision okay though? Oct 03 17:56:04 aren't they non-gsm Oct 03 17:56:15 no idea :( Oct 03 17:56:53 nnpiggy: does tmobile have something like verisions evdo? Oct 03 17:57:28 * nnpiggy looks up verison's evdo offering... Oct 03 17:58:46 Apparently not. They only have a low-speed digital service. So far, I've only been using their voice services. Oct 03 17:59:17 rc-1, are your questions relative to the neo, even? Oct 03 17:59:56 i was going to get the consumer one Oct 03 18:00:03 (doesn't do evdo or cdma, you know) Oct 03 18:00:14 oh didnt know that Oct 03 18:00:26 Oops. I stand corrected. They launched an EDGE service back in 2005. Oct 03 18:00:40 awesome! ill look into tmobile then Oct 03 18:01:28 neo's cell data capabilities are limited to gprs, basically (which works in gsm networks) Oct 03 18:01:31 http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/66980 Oct 03 18:01:47 Not all that exciting--we're talking 100kbps... Oct 03 18:19:15 what does "ask_ds" mean in the gsm util sms send command? Oct 03 18:39:37 how do I prevent the auto start of openmoko-today on boot Oct 03 18:41:13 matsimoto, have a look at this file: /etc/matchbox/session Oct 03 18:41:35 Ghiottone: thanx ! Oct 03 18:47:08 XorA: congrats! Oct 03 18:47:53 zecke: cheers Oct 03 18:47:55 # Oct 03 18:55:31 hey zecke Oct 03 18:55:54 vbnm,. Oct 03 19:00:49 so.. what is the deal with the suspend feature? Oct 03 19:01:37 nm Oct 03 19:02:02 pike__ mostly works except for modem and AFAIK usb host and usb device Oct 03 19:10:00 ljp: are you awake yet? Oct 03 19:17:27 any ideas on how software on openmoko is going to run anyone? Oct 03 19:17:29 ie, as root? Oct 03 19:21:56 cb22_ root is still default, right Oct 03 19:22:22 m'kay. guess this will change eventually in the future to something more secure Oct 03 19:23:01 cb22_: thats the plan yes Oct 03 19:29:01 zecke: just Oct 03 19:29:11 he ljp Oct 03 19:29:12 ljp: hey Oct 03 19:29:21 hi Oct 03 19:29:40 ljp hm in greenphone previe 3.0 I cant choose a picture as background image Oct 03 19:29:48 ups 4.3 Oct 03 19:29:50 sorry Oct 03 19:30:13 go to the homescreen settings app. known issue :) Oct 03 19:31:53 ah fine Oct 03 19:32:13 hm why I overlooked this app Oct 03 20:22:57 <|R> Can the accelerometer actually sense the direction the neo is pointing to (using gravity i guess) or only the difference in acceleration as the name imply? Oct 03 20:26:12 you can tell where ground is Oct 03 20:26:31 <|R> cool :) Oct 03 20:27:06 (well, with the usual assumptions) Oct 03 20:27:13 anyway, gravity is measurable Oct 03 20:27:25 along with all other acceleration Oct 03 20:29:55 <|R> so all that is missing for a static 3dimentional positioning with the GPS is a compass? (which is fixed if you move with the GPS though) Oct 03 20:30:21 basically Oct 03 20:34:51 It's not quite fixed. Oct 03 20:35:06 GPS accuracy under accelleration is not great. Oct 03 20:35:13 Even modest ones. Oct 03 20:35:29 Take two tracks. Oct 03 20:35:57 Go north, all the way around a roundabout several times. Oct 03 20:36:11 Most GPSs will give some sort of spiral Oct 03 20:36:28 And you're assuming ideal GPS position accuracy - which isn't there. Oct 03 20:38:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals may be of use Oct 03 20:46:50 <|R> thanks :) Oct 03 20:47:21 SpeedEvil: is there an accelerometer in the current OM's? Oct 03 20:49:03 Not yet. Oct 03 20:49:12 ah Oct 03 20:49:15 I'm in the process of building one for sale. Oct 03 20:49:23 that wikipage might do good by mentioning it Oct 03 20:53:37 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Risto]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[SMSTool]] Oct 03 21:07:55 i have problem with my own bb file. since some days (and after a make clobber) it doesnt build anymore with the error "svn: Unable to find repository location for 'svn+ssh://...' in revision 1" when fetching. the bb file worked fine some weeks ago Oct 03 21:09:20 Maledictus, if you are around, have you tried building openmoko on freebsd? Oct 03 21:09:36 the bb file was done after http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_a_package_from_existing_sources - any ideas? Oct 03 21:11:19 emdete where is it fetching the sources from? Oct 03 21:11:38 Ghiottone: from my server via ssh+svn... my private svn here Oct 03 21:11:58 Ghiottone: it seems to fetch revision 1 where the project did not exists... Oct 03 21:12:36 emdete, how could it fetch something correctly if the project did not exist? Oct 03 21:13:06 maybe if you don't specify srcrev it defaults to revision 1? Oct 03 21:13:21 Ghiottone: in the past it did not fetch revision 1 ;) Oct 03 21:13:48 emdete, ah I see :) maybe ynezz is right, then. Oct 03 21:14:10 ynezz, do you also know how to automatically set SRCREV to HEAD? Oct 03 21:14:11 ynezz: i folled the wiki and it says to put `SRCDATE_${PN} = "now"` into the bb file... Oct 03 21:14:27 Ghiottone: yes, that would be perfect Oct 03 21:16:44 ynezz: okay, i put a recent revision number into SRCREV and now it fetches, thnx! perhaps someone who knows more about that should update the wiki Oct 03 21:19:04 Hello, how should I interpret http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-October/010746.html ? Oct 03 21:19:31 It looks like developer release of GTA02 will be even in November? (but correct me if I'm wrong) Oct 03 21:20:41 apparently they're hoping it will Oct 03 21:20:49 I shan't hold breath, but it'd be nice Oct 03 21:21:13 Don't believe everything you read :-) GTA01 was supposed to out in February :-) Oct 03 21:21:34 Mickey said Dec at the last conference Oct 03 21:21:46 ready by november Oct 03 21:21:50 shipped by december Oct 03 21:21:54 IIRC Oct 03 21:21:57 hardware success or problems can easily shift things by months Oct 03 21:22:34 yes, I know... Oct 03 21:22:42 I don't want that much... Oct 03 21:23:02 just one minute of false hope that it will happen in November :-P Oct 03 21:24:33 but, seriously, I understood 'release' as a date when shipment starts Oct 03 21:24:54 emdete: head should be AUTOREV Oct 03 21:25:21 ynezz: so SRCREV="AUTOREV"? or AUTOREV = ??? Oct 03 21:25:36 former Oct 03 21:25:51 (I think) Oct 03 21:26:01 SRCREV_pn-libgsmd ?= "${AUTOREV}" Oct 03 21:26:11 ynezz: but i have a new problem. it checks out into ..../$PN and tries to make-install in ..../$PN-$PV Oct 03 21:27:17 emdete, try overriding the source files directory with S = "${WORKDIR}/yourdir" Oct 03 21:27:26 set $S or $W (don't remember which) Oct 03 21:29:52 ynezz and how do I set PR to the checked out revision? Oct 03 21:32:14 AUTOREV does not work... Oct 03 21:32:38 have you tried SRCREV="${AUTOREV}" Oct 03 21:32:40 ? Oct 03 21:32:46 ynezz: yes Oct 03 21:33:07 no ${} Oct 03 21:33:12 ynezz: and SRCREV_${PN} = ... Oct 03 21:33:53 rwhitby-treo: but it's a variable defined in bitbake.conf Oct 03 21:34:17 Ghiottone: it does not set PR ... PR is always r0... Oct 03 21:35:05 emdete yes I know. that's why I'd like to set it to HEAD revision Oct 03 21:35:39 Ghiottone: that's stupid - why doesn't it set it? hm... Oct 03 21:40:52 this AUTOREV does not work at all - with or withot deref by ${} - it just does a svn update -r AUTOREV... Oct 03 21:41:17 Anyone here know anything about using/working with GPS/gpsd? Oct 03 21:41:26 hi, I appreciate all the work put into OpenMoko project.. I have a question Oct 03 21:41:40 when will the next phase hardware come out and be sold to developers? Oct 03 21:42:00 December. Oct 03 21:42:31 emdete: can you post your bb? Oct 03 21:42:44 Wow, that topic helps deflect questions. :P Oct 03 21:42:45 ynezz: shure - give me a second Oct 03 21:44:02 Ok, mundane question ... anyone know how to get a keyboard to pop up on 2007.2 image? Oct 03 21:44:30 ynezz: http://rafb.net/p/GcUucD87.html Oct 03 21:44:33 click the keyboard icon in the top bar? (or the empty space if you don't ahve that icon I think...) Oct 03 21:45:46 I had the empty space on the older image, I didn't notice it on the 2007.2 image though Oct 03 21:45:53 * HistoryOnTheRoad is booting now Oct 03 21:47:00 ynezz: any idea? Oct 03 21:48:25 Mek: The UI opens to "Today", and clicking between the status icons and the "Today" label just makes a click noise :S Oct 03 21:48:46 I'm willing to SSH in and start it by hand, if that'll help :) Oct 03 21:48:57 hmm... I had a keyoard icon between those status icons... Oct 03 21:49:41 HistoryOnTheRoad: i heard the easiest way to get a keyboard is a bt one ;) Oct 03 21:50:23 emdete: That will come, no worries. I like the onscreen one for little stuff, though :P Oct 03 21:51:17 HistoryOnTheRoad: i also looked for cheap ones... but even the ugly stuff is expensive :/ Oct 03 21:52:14 emdete putting SRCREV="HEAD" seemed to have some effects for me Oct 03 21:52:41 emdete: The new apple ones are nice... but I'm not sure they are a full keyboard. Oct 03 21:53:26 HistoryOnTheRoad: yes, it's fine - i found a even nicer but all those gadgeds cost about 70EUR... Oct 03 21:53:37 apple bt-keyboard will work fine. - tested here Oct 03 21:54:14 Ghiottone: thnx, that worked - now i have a rHEAD... :D Oct 03 21:54:38 emdete maybe you can get a full size apple bt-keyboard - as new once are in store soon/now Oct 03 21:54:50 hi Ghiottone Oct 03 21:55:04 hey kristian-m Oct 03 21:55:21 Ghiottone do you think you could package mokostats? Oct 03 21:55:21 kristian-m: i am looking for a small one - using the neo as a notebook replacement and phone. having a kbd in the pocket if i need a ssh Oct 03 21:55:26 emdete: Well, they are selling the apple wireless kbd for $80 CDN ... and EUR is much higher then CDN right now. Oct 03 21:55:45 kristian-m, I'm currently fighting with bb ! Oct 03 21:55:50 kristian-m, I'm trying to build the package of smstool but I'm having problems. could you provide a setup.py for it too? Oct 03 21:55:51 HistoryOnTheRoad: CDN? Oct 03 21:56:05 kristian-m, oh I already did a preliminary but not working version Oct 03 21:56:07 emdete hmm, than that new apple one would be nice - as it's small - but not in store for this week I guess (at last in europe) Oct 03 21:56:18 HistoryOnTheRoad: anyway for apple is $ == EUR... Oct 03 21:56:23 kristian-m, I'm trying to sync with svn HEAD :) Oct 03 21:57:01 Ghiottone, are you talking about mokostats ? Oct 03 21:57:15 Ghiottone me too, it depends on gpslib though Oct 03 21:57:22 hi daltona Oct 03 21:57:50 I need to update configure.in for gpslib, libnotification also Oct 03 21:58:01 HistoryOnTheRoad: what's CDN? Oct 03 21:58:05 daltona just compiled it - now i've to wait for my build to finish so that i can create a libgps package - to try it :-) Oct 03 21:58:19 daltona right Oct 03 21:58:38 daltona nice tool though - from waht i see on the screenshots Oct 03 21:58:45 for libgps, gpsd is sufficient Oct 03 21:58:48 kristian-m, yeah I'm working on mokostats. is everybody doing this too? Oct 03 21:59:13 Ghiottone, Iùm currently fighting, but I'll give up for tonight Oct 03 21:59:36 daltona, what's the actual problem? I'm missing some .h files Oct 03 21:59:36 Ghiottone i'm just curious :) Oct 03 21:59:47 daltona: i just won the fight :D thnx guys! Oct 03 21:59:49 <|R> emdete : CAD, canadian $ Oct 03 22:00:07 Ghiottone, if you manage to have a working bb, I will be interested in the instruction ! Oct 03 22:00:35 daltona we should coordiante with settingsgui - i planned a bluetooth page, if you are building a device selection page to mokostats i can strike that on my todo :-) Oct 03 22:00:45 kristian-m, yeah, I actually managed to start acquisition of orange toulouse BTSs Oct 03 22:01:05 emdete, what was the winning trick? Oct 03 22:01:08 daltona, sure Oct 03 22:01:27 Ghiottone: S = /and/ HEAD Oct 03 22:01:28 kristian-m, I would really like to put the bluetooth config and all inside mokostats if you want Oct 03 22:01:53 kristian-m, you want me to add you to the project in order to let you develop that part ? Oct 03 22:01:57 emdete :) Oct 03 22:02:10 Ghiottone, great ! Oct 03 22:02:33 daltona well, one problem with me was that the ui guielines define a limit a 4 pages for an application - so i have no place left for other settings, ... Oct 03 22:02:41 my bb recipe worked for an early version of mokostats Oct 03 22:02:52 there should be the package in my repo IIRC Oct 03 22:03:02 but newer ones are a different matter Oct 03 22:03:14 daltona hmm, maybe - i have not much time though - at least until next week Oct 03 22:03:15 kristian-m, OK so that means separate application then. Oct 03 22:03:28 daltona well settingsgui is in python Oct 03 22:03:39 kristian-m, I know... Oct 03 22:03:47 daltona still, we could merge, lets just find out how Oct 03 22:04:30 Ghiottone, I actually need to add additional lines to the configure.in in order to create a correct makefile taking into account the newer dependancies Oct 03 22:04:35 daltona i also thought about moving to c later... - but it would be some serious work Oct 03 22:05:07 kristian-m, yes, but for perfs and disk usage, I think it should be better Oct 03 22:05:35 daltona right Oct 03 22:05:42 kristian-m, and actually, I think that the whole GPS and Cell Location features may deserve a brand new application Oct 03 22:05:54 so freeing 3 tabs Oct 03 22:06:13 daltona yes maybe with map support Oct 03 22:07:24 daltona hmm - well I guess i could port the screen and the sound settings to C fast - but gprs would be harder Oct 03 22:07:38 kristian-m, as this feature is only for base station location acquisition, map support may not be needed, plotting the acquired points with some kind of signal strength parametric circles would make sense though Oct 03 22:08:33 kristian-m, for GPRS I think I can manage implementing the needed processing if required Oct 03 22:08:56 kristian-m, I have quite a lot of experience in that area Oct 03 22:09:03 daltona i see Oct 03 22:09:20 daltona it's mostly reating settings for pppd Oct 03 22:09:54 kristian-m, reading settings from where ? Oct 03 22:10:10 kristian-m, ppp and chat scripts ? Oct 03 22:10:29 daltona yes its a pppd config file interpreter Oct 03 22:10:55 daltona and it brings default configurations - and there is a filter for the chat-scripts Oct 03 22:11:40 kristian-m, the way it should be done is the following IMHO : Oct 03 22:11:54 all settings are stored in gconf keys Oct 03 22:12:15 the program would read these keys and generate the needed config files from these data Oct 03 22:12:23 and then fork and trigger pppd Oct 03 22:12:52 so the gui only has to maintain gconf keys that would be used once needed Oct 03 22:13:06 that way, we can even support several profiles Oct 03 22:13:13 daltona sounds right Oct 03 22:13:18 same set of keys in different diretories of gconf Oct 03 22:14:06 daltona right now i can use the ppp/peers/ entryes as profiles and even change them - so users can use there existing fieles Oct 03 22:14:54 daltona anyway maybe gsmd should be used instead of chat Oct 03 22:15:05 but gconf seems the way to go Oct 03 22:15:18 kristian-m, I agree with gsmd used in place of chat Oct 03 22:15:38 chat config files are ugly anyway Oct 03 22:15:46 kristian-m, yeah Oct 03 22:16:01 (pppd also) ;-) Oct 03 22:16:21 okay but this is some amount of work then Oct 03 22:16:40 advantage of pppd is that options can all be provided in the command line arguments Oct 03 22:16:52 daltona sure? Oct 03 22:17:18 kristian-m, yes Oct 03 22:17:24 hmm i see Oct 03 22:17:43 well maybe gsmd should trigger pppd then Oct 03 22:18:30 kristian-m, I'm not sure, as pppd is only meant for data plane whereas gsmd is more control plane oriented Oct 03 22:19:08 daltona but i guess thats not the way the openmoko team plans to go. - they want to implement ldisc for gprs Oct 03 22:19:57 kristian-m, yes, because for gprs, the data should go through a different mux channel Oct 03 22:20:20 that way AT commands are still avail while a data connection is active Oct 03 22:20:36 right Oct 03 22:20:48 daltona, detecting libnotify should be done with pkg-config Oct 03 22:21:28 daltona hmm but right now the only way is pppd Oct 03 22:21:32 Ghiottone, Yes, I allready added it to the configure.in If you have a suggestion for gps, I'm interested Oct 03 22:21:56 kristian-m, having a different channel does not means that pppd will disapear Oct 03 22:22:51 kristian-m, you can see the mux as several logical serial ports over a single physical serial port Oct 03 22:22:53 daltona, ah ok Oct 03 22:23:24 daltona right - do you think it can already be activated? Oct 03 22:23:53 kristian-m, not as far as I know Oct 03 22:24:00 daltona if we use gconf it'd be best if a central service triggers pppd Oct 03 22:24:11 kristian-m, actually I'm waiting for that before playing with GPRS Oct 03 22:24:32 daltona okay Oct 03 22:24:36 kristian-m, In fact I also have a proposal in that area Oct 03 22:25:27 kristian-m, having a daemon that listens to network unreachable ICMP packets in order to automatically trigger a GPRS connection when an application is trying to access network Oct 03 22:26:31 daltona sounds good Oct 03 22:27:49 Ghiottone, latest svn revision now checks libnotify and libmokogsmd2 Oct 03 22:28:16 Ghiottone, I also added -lgps in the LDFLAGS, but There must be a better way, checking rigth now... Oct 03 22:28:38 daltona, what about gps.h? Oct 03 22:29:07 emdete: it should be SRCREV="${AUTOREV}", it gets last revision correctly but then it's screwed in svn co -r ${AUTOREV} Oct 03 22:29:18 Ghiottone, I'm investigating, but basically, you just need to build gpsd in order to have it in your dev env ... Oct 03 22:31:29 daltona okay i can start it now but i get an "Error gps_open", shell i power it up, or am i missong something else? Oct 03 22:32:25 do you have gpsd running ? Oct 03 22:33:17 kristian-m, do you have started gpsd ? Oct 03 22:33:30 daltona ah that was it Oct 03 22:34:04 what is on the second page? Oct 03 22:34:07 kristian-m, But I agree I should not completely fail if gpsd is not started Oct 03 22:34:27 kristian-m, your soon-to-be implemented bluetooth page ??? Oct 03 22:34:37 daltona :-) Oct 03 22:34:41 kristian-m, :) Oct 03 22:35:08 daltona how have you managed to disable the keyboard from popping up on the eidt fields? Oct 03 22:35:19 set them as not editable Oct 03 22:35:35 the textview is editable though, should not ... Oct 03 22:36:18 daltona well, that's not working in pygtk, then... Oct 03 22:36:57 kristian-m, yes Oct 03 22:37:28 kristian-m, I've just commited a new version wich will not fail when gpsd is not active Oct 03 22:37:31 daltona maybe its a bug in textviews Oct 03 22:37:50 daltona great, thanks Oct 03 22:37:58 kristian-m, Let me verify if I actually set it as editable Oct 03 22:38:05 or not Oct 03 22:38:46 kristian-m, yes it's not, so probably a bug... Oct 03 22:39:18 Ghiottone, latest svn revision has the correct checks for all libs... Oct 03 22:40:59 daltona, I'm fetching it, but bitbake seems to ignore my DEPENDS variable Oct 03 22:41:30 Ghiottone, ok Oct 03 22:43:23 daltona how do "fill" in the empty textentries now? - any trigger? Oct 03 22:43:44 daltona in your screenshot there was the power-btn menu rigth? Oct 03 22:44:19 kristian-m, yep Oct 03 22:44:54 kristian-m, I submitted a patch for some of the features Oct 03 22:45:28 kristian-m, I can send you the ipk for my neod version if you like Oct 03 22:45:28 daltona https://nopaste.eof.name/234 Oct 03 22:45:38 daltona i got a dbus problem here, i guess Oct 03 22:46:27 kristian-m, this is because It need to be started from dbus for gsm features Oct 03 22:46:29 kristian-m: yes, dbus session can't be started from app, don't know why. but: i start it before the app Oct 03 22:47:03 kristian-m, either you can start it from the terminal inside the phone (not ssh) or create a desktop entry for it Oct 03 22:47:09 kristian-m: just export the env that is shown and everything works fine Oct 03 22:47:48 kristian-m, from the command line, you can do dbus-launch mokostat Oct 03 22:48:27 kristian-m, I meant for the ssh command line, ... Oct 03 22:48:56 Ah, well i already got a menu entry, so i can use that then Oct 03 22:49:11 daltona oh, okay better Oct 03 22:51:58 daltona do you have the ipk online? Oct 03 22:53:00 kristian-m, I can put it online if you wan Oct 03 22:53:50 kristian-m, no actually I dont have the ipk.... Oct 03 22:54:07 daltona okay, but it's working now anyway Oct 03 22:54:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] [[Current_events]] Oct 03 22:54:40 It is based on an older version of neod so I cannot not get the ipk Oct 03 22:55:32 I'll make the code cleaner and submit a patch over the newer SVN after a good night and my work day... Oct 03 22:55:59 daltona how are you developing your program? - do you have a bb file or a special cross compile environment, with all libs you need? - are you using the stage dir for development? Oct 03 22:56:23 kristian-m, I am using the stage dir Oct 03 22:56:24 daltona great, take your time :-) Oct 03 22:57:21 daltona so you just do some exports to build then? Oct 03 22:58:14 kristian-m, yes PATH to cross/bin, PKG_CONFIG_PATH to stage/lib/pkgconfig and CC to arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi Oct 03 22:58:55 kristian-m, But It will be WAY better with Ghiottone's bb file that I will be glad to add in the svn ! Oct 03 22:59:22 daltona thats all? okay, then i can just extend my setup-env - thanks :-) Oct 03 22:59:56 kristian-m, yes it is Oct 03 23:00:32 kristian-m, BTW SMS tool directly uses atcmd or uses some libgsmd APIs ? Oct 03 23:03:17 daltona it uses libgsmd-tool via subprocess and pipes - in shell mode Oct 03 23:03:25 daltona quick and dirty ;-) Oct 03 23:03:39 emdete: with this patch http://ynezz.true.cz/autorev-fix.patch SRCREV="${AUTOREV}" works for me Oct 03 23:03:47 kristian-m, Ghiottone : You both have additional votes for GTA02 ! Oct 03 23:04:27 kristian-m, ok that's what I'd guessed Oct 03 23:04:51 kristian-m, still it allows SMS in openmoko ! Oct 03 23:05:39 daltona thanks, you should get some too! Oct 03 23:06:13 daltona well, it was hard to get there too, libgsmd-tool is strange code too Oct 03 23:06:47 kristian-m, yes it is ! Oct 03 23:06:51 ynezz: so AUTOREV is filled correctly? Oct 03 23:07:10 ynezz: and contains the head revision? Oct 03 23:07:16 daltona one should introduce functions there... Oct 03 23:07:56 emdete: yes Oct 03 23:08:16 kristian-m, yeah, this is one of the things I'd like to do when I'll be done on my GPS long-planned features... Oct 03 23:08:16 ynezz: that's quite cool - thnx, will check that. Oct 03 23:10:25 ynezz: wow, and PR = "r${SRCREV}" works too Oct 03 23:11:44 back Oct 03 23:11:50 I built mokostats Oct 03 23:11:55 and it's up and working Oct 03 23:12:12 although partially Oct 03 23:13:00 Ghiottone, what's wrong ? Oct 03 23:13:36 ynezz: oups... with that it started a new path, now it is in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/morgue instead in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t - what's that? Oct 03 23:13:38 gsmd panel is empty Oct 03 23:13:48 but maybe it's because I don't have a sim in :) Oct 03 23:13:58 but gps data are empty as well Oct 03 23:14:04 should I start gpsd manually? Oct 03 23:14:21 Ghiottone, yes you have to Oct 03 23:14:44 ok. then I'll add it to RDEPENDS as well Oct 03 23:14:48 Ghiottone, what do you mean by gsmd panel is empty ? Oct 03 23:15:47 it's not showing anything at all Oct 03 23:16:04 Like the second tab + Oct 03 23:16:07 while the gps one has boxes and text with empty data Oct 03 23:16:38 expected Oct 03 23:17:01 emdete, what did you change to have SRCREV correctly set Oct 03 23:17:13 daltona, ah ok. I'm going to restart it with gpsd installed Oct 03 23:17:14 for gsm, it's also expected to be empty while it does not receive gsm registration data Oct 03 23:17:21 SRCREV = "${AUTOREV}" and the patch at http://ynezz.true.cz/autorev-fix.patch Oct 03 23:17:47 Ghiottone, yes that will be better, and you will even see the GPS fix box ! Oct 03 23:18:00 Ghiottone: but that has another strange effect - "morgue/" is added to the path now... Oct 03 23:18:08 libnotify is something I was waiting since a long time ... Oct 03 23:18:27 Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 device, aborting gpsd startup. Oct 03 23:18:30 what's that? Oct 03 23:18:46 allow to display little popups on the screen Oct 03 23:19:14 Ghiottone i had that too, only on installation though Oct 03 23:19:19 timed, stacked, information popup windows Oct 03 23:19:37 emdete, that patch gose to bitbake? Oct 03 23:19:44 s/gose/goes/ Oct 03 23:19:45 Ghiottone meant: emdete, that patch goes to bitbake? Oct 03 23:20:06 kristian-m, I'm trying to restart it but it shows again. should I reboot? Oct 03 23:20:18 * Ghiottone feels like old windows times Oct 03 23:20:25 Ghiottone nop, it should work Oct 03 23:20:50 Ghiottone just try gpsd start Oct 03 23:21:16 * kristian-m moves his neo to the window hoping to get a gps fix Oct 03 23:22:47 kristian-m, it doesn't work. nor with gsmd start and neither with /etc/init.d/gsmd start Oct 03 23:23:03 shouldn't the gps chip be enabled somehow? Oct 03 23:23:51 Ghiottone hmm, well here the process runs but doesn't get a lock, so maybe it really is not working still Oct 03 23:24:44 Ghiottone ttyS3 is missing, right Oct 03 23:26:30 * Ghiottone wonders where the hell ttyS3 has gone Oct 03 23:32:39 Ghiottone hmpf the gpsd initscript has that same stop kills itself bug as gsmd and pulsaudio had Oct 03 23:32:57 rofl Oct 03 23:34:06 that explains why it does not restart but just stops Oct 03 23:34:12 but why it does not start? Oct 03 23:34:32 after a reboot it still complains about ttyS3 not present Oct 03 23:37:43 kristian-m, shouldn't gllin be needed for it to work? Oct 03 23:41:25 on the neo the gps is /dev/ttySAC? as far as i know - i don't think the gpsd is ready for the gps chip of the neo.... Oct 03 23:41:42 * mwester is wondering if someone has an opensource driver for the GPS chip now? Oct 03 23:41:58 Ghiottone, either gllin, or a bluetooth GPS module Oct 03 23:42:25 I use a bluetooth GPS module Oct 03 23:42:41 Yes, the gps speaks the raw proprietary protocol on /dev/ttySAC1, and gllin makes the NMEA data visibile on a different device that gpsd should read. Oct 03 23:42:43 daltona, agh that's why Oct 03 23:43:20 * mwester refuses to buy a bluetooth GPS receiver because there is supposed to be a working on inside his neo. Oct 03 23:43:39 * daltona agrees with mwester Oct 03 23:43:40 * Ghiottone agrees with mwester Oct 03 23:43:44 rofl Oct 03 23:44:01 * daltona already had a BT GPS before getting openmoko Oct 03 23:44:12 daltona so you use a bt gps then? Oct 03 23:44:26 kristian-m, yes Oct 03 23:44:43 daltona but that's not connecting to ttyS3 right? Oct 03 23:44:49 kristian-m, no Oct 03 23:45:15 kristian-m, it's connected to /dev/rfcomm0 Oct 03 23:46:04 but one should first activate BT, then open rfcomm channel to the BT chip and then it's done Oct 03 23:46:10 * kristian-m thought internal gps would work somehow now :-/ Oct 03 23:46:41 yeah it's a bit of a disappointment Oct 03 23:47:04 kristian-m, unfortunately, no open drivers yet Oct 03 23:47:22 * daltona need to sleep Oct 03 23:47:38 daltona, where do you want me to send the bb file? Oct 03 23:48:05 it is still experimental but working. will be better after autorev fixing Oct 03 23:48:10 Ghiottone, alex _at_ alexdalton.org please Oct 03 23:48:40 Ghiottone, I will commit it to mokostats svn tomorow Oct 03 23:48:49 Ghiottone, Thanks a lot ! Oct 03 23:49:10 daltona, you're welcome. Oct 03 23:49:11 nice to talk with you guys ! see ya ! Oct 03 23:49:26 bye Oct 03 23:51:06 daltona thank you, cu Oct 03 23:51:54 hmm - http://www.openmoko.org.pl/node/55 Oct 03 23:52:22 ^ GPS with gllin on OM2007.2 (bin driver in changeroot) Oct 03 23:53:06 yeah but it is not ther Oct 03 23:53:15 chroot has not got any gllin bin Oct 03 23:55:36 kristian-m, what about setup.py for smstool? Oct 04 00:02:13 Ghiottone hmm its just one .py file... - in the next release when there is the recive panel Oct 04 00:03:42 kristian-m, ok Oct 04 00:03:58 kristian-m, just let me know when you release it if you want it packaged Oct 04 00:06:30 Ghiottone okay, can you also package the 0.3 and settingsgui 0.7b? Oct 04 00:07:09 I'm already working on settingsgui 0.7b Oct 04 00:07:42 for smstool 0.3 it will be a bit harder and buggy without setup.py Oct 04 00:09:09 Ghiottone oh, okay, i'll release a 0.3b with setup.py then by tomorrow Oct 04 00:09:19 Upgrading settingsgui on card from 0.7-r1 to 0.7b-r1... Oct 04 00:10:06 kristian-m, ok thanks. without setup.py there is that annoying .pyo files bug Oct 04 00:11:12 Ghiottone ah, i see Oct 04 00:11:20 Wow! I have also gsmd registered! Oct 04 00:11:21 okay, cu then Oct 04 00:11:28 it seems to be working! Oct 04 00:11:31 see you Oct 04 00:11:39 have fun :-) Oct 04 00:11:50 I'll upload settingsgui to the repo before going to bed Oct 04 00:11:53 thanks :) Oct 04 00:36:03 nite everybody Oct 04 00:53:57 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Alessandro]] [[User_talk:Alessandro]] [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] Oct 04 01:33:37 Hm, does http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko have correct instructions for setting up a recently received GTA01BV4? Oct 04 01:47:38 orospakr looks quite right Oct 04 01:48:15 roh: cool. :) Oct 04 01:48:17 just being careful. Oct 04 01:48:54 as long as you don't touch uboot or do a nand erase without parameter... Oct 04 01:50:14 orospakr: ah, and if it's a new GTA01Bv4, which doesn't have a rootfs, you don't even need the nand erase rootfs Oct 04 01:50:47 * cesarb suggests, if he has the debug board, to flash the uboot to the august snapshot one, so as to not have to deal with nand erase anymore Oct 04 01:50:50 yeah, I got it today. I'm getting the No VFS message. :) Oct 04 01:51:36 * cesarb also suggests to flash everything from the august snapshot... since it's a "known datapoint" instead of the miriad of builds we have nowadays Oct 04 01:52:12 cesarb: I was going to go for the most recent official 2007.2 build, and ipkg update. Oct 04 01:52:20 I assume that is the safest/proper route? Oct 04 01:53:11 orospakr: the "most recent official 2007.2 build" would be that august snapshot... and if you try to upgrade from it, you'll run into problems with the modules (since the kernel has changed from 2.6.21 to 2.6.22), so take care ;-) Oct 04 01:53:13 anyone know what the AR6K supports security wise? wpa-psk? wpa2 etc.? Oct 04 01:53:31 yikes! Oct 04 01:53:45 I would have thought the upgrade would be sane when it comes to upgrading kernel packages. Oct 04 01:53:49 why is there a problem? Oct 04 01:53:56 Psi: doesn't much of the difference depend on the supplicant, instead of the chip? Oct 04 01:54:27 orospakr: there is no kernel package. there is a kernel partition, with the kernel directly written on it (raw, no filesystem). thus, ipkg doesn't upgrade the kernel. Oct 04 01:54:34 hm. Oct 04 01:54:36 will that change? Oct 04 01:55:07 cesarb, dunno Oct 04 01:55:16 orospakr: it's a neo. it's way too open. it can change if people want it to. Oct 04 01:55:24 i thought wpa2 required hardware Oct 04 01:55:27 cesarb: I meant upstream. :P Oct 04 01:55:40 Psi: I don't think so, actually Oct 04 01:55:58 orospakr: it can change if upstream decides to, or if crazier people decide to try and present upstream with a working solution which upstream likes ;-) Oct 04 01:56:34 Psi: it might require hardware for the crypto, but aren't most of the changes in the authentication phases, which are done by the supplicant? Oct 04 01:57:08 So yeah, I suppose in the meantime I want to ask what the kosher approach is to setting up a fresh Neo. Oct 04 01:57:43 orospakr: the easier way to do your first testing with it would be to use the august snapshot, since it's the latest stable snapshot Oct 04 01:58:08 orospakr: after you have played with it a bit, you can change to something else (reflash? ipkg upgrade plus manual kernel/modules update? qtopia? your choice) Oct 04 01:58:08 yeah, i thought was was hardware for the crypto Oct 04 01:58:13 was=it Oct 04 01:58:56 * cesarb started with the august snapshot, changed to a self-compiled build, and now is trying to find out how the swearword does one compile qtopia without getting a moc error Oct 04 02:00:35 so, just so I'm clear, the kernel modules are managed by the package manager, but the image is not? Oct 04 02:01:20 orospakr: as far as I know, yes, but since I tend to nuke the whole filesystem frequently, I didn't hit that issue Oct 04 02:01:29 oh, and does the August build of 2007.2 have a working(ish?) dialer? Oct 04 02:03:26 odd, this file in the directory pointed to by the Flashing article looks quite new: OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20070917-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Oct 04 02:05:22 20070917? Oct 04 02:05:29 orospakr: that's probably the daily build Oct 04 02:05:50 It's almost a month old. Oct 04 02:05:57 newer than August. :P Oct 04 02:06:15 orospakr: if you are going that route, it would be better to get a bleeding edge one, to get a working(ish) dialer Oct 04 02:07:02 huh?? "WARNING: 'vim' was choosen to perform external 3-way merge." Oct 04 02:07:34 cesarb: those would be the ones from from automated.it? Oct 04 02:08:02 ah, OK, they seem to have a separate respository, too. Oct 04 02:08:21 * sagacis is starting a new build directory from scratch Oct 04 02:09:09 orospakr: there are several repositories Oct 04 02:09:23 orospakr: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories Oct 04 02:09:34 Sorry about all the silly questions, but I'm trying to build up a view of the bigger picture. Oct 04 02:09:36 ah, thanks@! Oct 04 02:10:11 orospakr: there you will find the link to the august snapshot I'm talking about: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ Oct 04 02:10:57 orospakr: the other repositories are AFAIK from other people in this channel, and they mostly have the same packages (thanks to the openmoko-feed task) Oct 04 02:11:30 but I assume the official repostitories are kept up to date? Oct 04 02:11:37 orospakr: chooseopen is IIRC SpeedEvil, automated.it is ScaredyCat, nslu2 is rwhitby... Oct 04 02:12:05 orospakr: the unnoficial ones are way more up-to-date ;-) Oct 04 02:12:18 maybe I should just use MokoMakefile after all. ;) Oct 04 02:12:35 * orospakr decides to flash August for now, and build everything later. Oct 04 02:12:44 thanks. :) Oct 04 02:12:53 orospakr: everyone but a few are using mokomakefile ;-) Oct 04 02:13:02 orospakr: You won't be happy with august. i recommend a different snapshot Oct 04 02:13:08 (it automates a lot of boring work, and not much beyond that) Oct 04 02:13:15 I may be using snapshots if my making woes continue Oct 04 02:13:25 sagacis: well, august at least dialed, didn't it? ;-) Oct 04 02:13:34 only thing I dislike is that you have to have the exact same mtn version as upstream. Oct 04 02:13:43 sagacis: which you can't say of snapshots until very recently... Oct 04 02:13:44 sagacis: hm, what do you suggest? Oct 04 02:14:00 orospakr: well, no... you can use several different mtn versions Oct 04 02:14:18 orospakr: mokomakefile downloads the data for the correct one Oct 04 02:14:34 orospakr: I've used nslu2, and scaredycat's repository images before. Oct 04 02:14:45 Mostly, I recommend the MokoMakefile. Oct 04 02:14:46 * cesarb has one which probably would annoy the OE guys as being "too old": the one which came with my kubuntu ;-) Oct 04 02:15:00 sagacis: btw, did you try the memtest? Oct 04 02:15:08 sagacis: I'd like to see something work tonight, and then I'll let it build. :) Oct 04 02:15:17 cesarb: Not yet. Just got to the computer today Oct 04 02:15:20 I've run it for x86 before, but that was a few months ago. Oct 04 02:15:34 * cesarb wonders if qtopia-4.3-snapshot-10020615-neo-flash.tgz is good Oct 04 02:15:35 (MokoMakefile + Xephyr) Oct 04 02:15:37 Oh. August snapshot works ok. Oct 04 02:15:58 cesarb: from qtopia.net? Oct 04 02:16:02 I'm running that one now. Oct 04 02:16:17 sagacis: yep, http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php, just downloaded it Oct 04 02:16:29 sagacis: does it have sound? Oct 04 02:16:39 sagacis: or ljp didn't fix it yet? Oct 04 02:16:40 cesarb: I used it today. I don't know. Nobody called me while I had battery. Oct 04 02:16:58 It still didn't handoff between cells as I was moving, but other things work well. Oct 04 02:17:16 cesarb: The cool screen lock key has a fb problem Oct 04 02:17:18 * cesarb would like to be able to change the qtopia image... but fails to compile it every single time with the same strange moc error Oct 04 02:17:25 dialing and connecting work well. Oct 04 02:17:48 * sagacis would like to compile anything more complex than "hello world" Oct 04 02:17:51 sagacis: that screen lock is as annoying as their onscreen "predictive" keyboard Oct 04 02:17:57 sagacis: I heard that the Qtopia image had a power management issue. Oct 04 02:18:09 Not any more than openmoko Oct 04 02:18:14 * orospakr is looking forward to trying Dasher on his Neo. Oct 04 02:18:17 orospakr: yes. to put it simply, it doesn't have any ;-) (the same as OM) Oct 04 02:18:47 You can dim the screen.... Oct 04 02:18:53 heh Oct 04 02:19:07 You can suspend, but it doesn't save any power, and you can't resume.... Oct 04 02:19:56 Qtopia reads my sim card contacts, although scrolling through them is tedius Oct 04 02:20:12 I don't have a sim card in the phone right now, and qtopia is stuck at "No network" Oct 04 02:20:16 I can't seem to get out of the screen. Oct 04 02:20:55 I forgot to try snake Oct 04 02:21:58 * sagacis is switching his sim card back to try snake. Oct 04 02:22:09 Hey, I wonder if the 3G sim card works in qtopia Oct 04 02:23:14 hmmm Oct 04 02:23:24 Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... Oct 04 02:23:24 Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Oct 04 02:23:24 error get_status: error sending control message: Connection timed out Oct 04 02:23:32 output from dfu-util. Oct 04 02:23:56 that usb device id is clearly bogus Oct 04 02:24:00 oops Oct 04 02:24:07 I didn't follow the directions. :) Oct 04 02:24:15 * orospakr forgot to unplug the device. Oct 04 02:24:28 orospakr: look at how mokomakefile does it ;-) Oct 04 02:24:51 dfu-util --device 0x1457:0x5119 -a kernel -D Oct 04 02:25:22 there, now it's working. Oct 04 02:25:28 no USB ID necessary. Oct 04 02:27:12 orospakr: the USB ID is necessary if you have any other dfu-capable USB device plugged Oct 04 02:27:27 ah, fair enough. Oct 04 02:27:32 orospakr: if you have more than one and don't use --device, dfu-util refuses to proceed Oct 04 02:27:53 Why do I have to fetch branches/oe/pre-20070305? Oct 04 02:30:00 sagacis: ? Oct 04 02:30:24 It's one of the branches in the openmoko svn. I just started a new build directory, and that scrolled by. Oct 04 02:30:34 sagacis: it fetches the root Oct 04 02:30:41 sagacis: trunk, branches, tags Oct 04 02:30:44 sagacis: everything Oct 04 02:30:44 and all the cruft Oct 04 02:31:11 sagacis: yeah, it's completely useless, rwhitby agrees with it, and will probably accept a tested patch to checkout just the trunk Oct 04 02:31:27 sagacis: (it's not simply changing a single line, since there are some symlinks into that tree...) Oct 04 02:31:29 heck, I could do that, except for the "tested" part. :( Oct 04 02:31:39 sagacis: heh Oct 04 02:31:57 Do we even use the openmoko svn any more? It seems everything been merged into oe Oct 04 02:32:04 sagacis: qemu Oct 04 02:32:51 huh.... A big old "svn delete" would clean that up easiliy enough. Oct 04 02:32:58 sagacis: I also find it quite useful to have a copy of trunk/src/host/devirginator nearby, to look at the default environment Oct 04 02:33:34 I put the 3g sim card in my qtopia'd phone. No boot. Oct 04 02:33:42 * sagacis is afraid the u-boot is borked Oct 04 02:34:38 sagacis: how would which SIM you have (which is plugged into the modem) affect uboot (which doesn't power up the modem)? Oct 04 02:34:56 It doesn't, but that's the last thing I did before booting. Oct 04 02:35:47 * sagacis is considering giving up software and taking up chainsaw sculpting. It would probably be safer. Oct 04 02:39:12 strange. It booted fine this time. Oct 04 02:54:33 now that mono is building, how soon can we get mono ipkg's into the buildhost feeds? I'm pondering if I should set up my own feed in the interm Oct 04 02:55:48 cbrake: Go for it... Are the mono packages in the repository? Does it build when I build? Oct 04 02:56:29 sagacis: yes, as of today mono in OE should be buildable and packages up nicely Oct 04 02:56:55 Excellent. Nice work. Oct 04 02:57:05 sagacis: for now, you will probably have to explicitly build it (bitbake mono) Oct 04 02:57:27 sagacis: somebody named HenryK did some excellent work on it in the past few days Oct 04 02:57:33 Look at the package-index .bb file Oct 04 02:58:04 hm, the dialer on the august build appears for a few moments, and then disappears. Oct 04 02:58:58 sagacis: check this out: http://pastebin.ca/725080 Oct 04 02:59:26 Wow! How big is it? Oct 04 02:59:52 sagacis: ohh, 90MB or so if you install everything :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 04 02:59:56 2007