**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 24 02:59:57 2007 Oct 24 03:05:38 has anyone used qtopia on neo Oct 24 03:05:43 from trolltech Oct 24 03:05:51 i saw some preview releases Oct 24 03:11:04 yes. Oct 24 03:11:20 did you try it, ljp? Oct 24 03:13:35 i am developing it :), so yes, I try it several time a day Oct 24 03:13:43 :) coool Oct 24 03:14:36 i am interested in writing a simple app that takes queries the gps device and sneds a message to my home computer with timestamp and location using GPRS (since GTA01 doesnt have a 802.11) Oct 24 03:15:07 can i do it with qtopia now Oct 24 03:15:13 or in the near future Oct 24 03:15:23 at a guess - probably Oct 24 03:15:34 also can i run qtopia on any other device for doing what i want to do Oct 24 03:15:39 sure, why not. as long as you have the gps driver Oct 24 03:15:53 depends on which other devices Oct 24 03:15:56 hmmm i probably dont have anything if the community doesnt have Oct 24 03:16:08 i am looking for some device where i can do this easily Oct 24 03:16:31 the nokia n810 has gps but it does not do gsm Oct 24 03:16:36 since you know more than i do, could i ask you for some recommendations Oct 24 03:16:43 yeah nokia is one of my choices Oct 24 03:18:02 but the lack of gsm is a bummer Oct 24 03:20:25 ljp? Oct 24 03:21:40 hi Oct 24 03:22:45 any recommendations? Oct 24 03:23:07 other than neo (since i dont know whether we have a driver for the gps chip) Oct 24 03:25:14 just the n810 Oct 24 03:25:45 i think some of the HTC devices that can run linux might have gps, but I am not sure of the status of those Oct 24 03:29:48 thanks .... but I guess GTA02 should be ok, right? are you working on those devices too? Oct 24 04:50:29 bleh, can't sleep Oct 24 04:50:45 Me either, have to go to work.. :P Oct 24 04:51:06 cm, oeps :) Oct 24 04:54:08 pvanhoof: I'll take a peek at the milky way while going to work, just for you.. :P Oct 24 04:54:17 ! :) Oct 24 05:29:59 Is anyone else able to hang up calls with the latest software? Oct 24 05:30:43 I haven't tried with the absolutely latest, but with a rootfs from the 17th october hanging up works Oct 24 05:31:00 The button seems to be gone, I can't find it anywhere Oct 24 05:31:39 Oh, strange :) Oct 24 05:32:14 Same with the answer call button Oct 24 05:54:08 God morgon :) Oct 24 05:54:48 good morning Oct 24 05:56:21 Hopscotch: I'm just curious, you've been hanging around here a long time but not saying much besides good morning. Do you have a Neo? :) Oct 24 05:56:37 yeah, right beside of me :) Oct 24 05:56:54 but very little time to do anything with it Oct 24 05:57:02 Ah, ok. Oct 24 05:57:09 work kills me... Oct 24 05:57:23 Sucks Oct 24 05:57:43 I'm about to change work, so my motivation here is kind of low.. Oct 24 05:57:57 well, it's my own business... Oct 24 05:58:05 changing is out of the question Oct 24 05:58:19 Heh, then I know why you're so busy Oct 24 05:58:50 Don't think I've ever heard anyone having their own business that only work 40h/week ;) Oct 24 05:59:13 doesn't seem to be possible... Oct 24 07:15:32 pvanhoof: Ohh.. Finally: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?ctx=gmail&hl=en&answer=75725 Oct 24 07:16:48 that is nifty Oct 24 07:17:08 however, I had to set my gmail language to US-english to get the IMAP option Oct 24 07:21:59 I guess that's the way they always do. Start in english, localize later Oct 24 07:28:15 CM, Oct 24 07:28:15 wow Oct 24 07:28:39 pvanhoof: Btw, watched your qresync video, hope they support that Oct 24 07:28:57 yeah! Oct 24 07:29:00 wow wow ow Oct 24 07:29:02 this is great news Oct 24 07:29:03 Then i'll have my gprs tinymail neo synced with gmail ;) Oct 24 07:29:20 CM: UK english didn't have it either Oct 24 07:30:13 wow dude Oct 24 07:30:17 that's totally awesome Oct 24 07:31:02 pvanhoof: You should get tinymail listed on the "Supported IMAP Client List" ;) Oct 24 07:31:35 uhu Oct 24 07:31:44 Well tinymail is a framework to build one Oct 24 07:31:45 not a client Oct 24 07:31:51 True Oct 24 07:32:18 Modest then, and similar.. :) Oct 24 07:34:26 meshuga: s/uga/uggah/ ! ;) Oct 24 07:34:50 Let's check whether they supprt qresync Oct 24 07:36:19 CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA XYZZY Oct 24 07:36:34 hmm.. Oct 24 07:38:35 lemme check because after auth they can add more capabilities Oct 24 07:39:21 To not confuse and scare off Outlook Express or what? Oct 24 07:39:51 No capabilities must be forgotten after each authentication level Oct 24 07:39:55 that's just the IMAP rfc :) Oct 24 07:40:30 Heh, ok Oct 24 07:42:05 CM, perhaps the admin of a server doesn't want to make it public that their IMAP server can do certain things Oct 24 07:42:23 hi all Oct 24 07:42:46 But capability must always be available , because you need it to read for example the authenticiation method Oct 24 07:51:18 damnit why is webkit failing again.. Oct 24 07:51:31 404: NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/JavaScriptCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._26915_.tar.gz Oct 24 07:51:37 anyone else got this? Oct 24 07:52:38 I had binutils failing for me, so i didn't even get to webkit Oct 24 07:55:58 from when ? Oct 24 07:56:00 * ScaredyCat checks Oct 24 07:57:04 I have it... Oct 24 07:57:10 want me to up it somewher? Oct 24 07:59:22 * ScaredyCat pokes torporwith a stick... Oct 24 07:59:23 http://buildhost.automated.it/JavaScriptCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._26915_.tar.gz Oct 24 08:00:25 or even Oct 24 08:00:29 * ScaredyCat pokes torpor with a stick... Oct 24 08:02:29 yeah Oct 24 08:02:33 where do i put it? Oct 24 08:02:57 in sources/ right? Oct 24 08:03:34 thx ScaredyCat Oct 24 08:05:57 i put it in sources/ and fire up the build and its rolling along again .. Oct 24 08:06:01 so lets see what happens .. Oct 24 08:06:06 got past webkit Oct 24 08:07:01 ScaredyCat: Any tip where I should start looking for a way around this: http://rafb.net/p/Bg80qj65.html Oct 24 08:07:23 XorA: Good morning, maybe you can give me a clue too? ^^ Oct 24 08:07:31 * XorA hands CM a bat Oct 24 08:07:38 :P Oct 24 08:08:03 | /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libiberty.a: could not read symbols: File format not recognized Oct 24 08:08:26 CM: that doesnt look good Oct 24 08:08:27 Yes, but how do I rebuild that lib, and alsow, why is it failing now?!? Oct 24 08:08:39 CM: I think that lib is part of binutils Oct 24 08:08:40 I mean, can I find what package it's in? Oct 24 08:08:44 Hmm.. Oct 24 08:08:55 did you try cleaning it Oct 24 08:08:58 This happened some time yesterday Oct 24 08:09:01 CM: try rm that lib :-) Oct 24 08:09:12 CM: or move it safely out of the way Oct 24 08:09:39 Ok, moved it and doing a bitbake -x rebuild binutils now Oct 24 08:09:45 or run runlib on it from the runlib in /home/moko/.......... Oct 24 08:10:07 yes, mv /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libiberty.a ~/damages_libiberty.a Oct 24 08:10:29 damages.. wtf... Oct 24 08:10:48 * ScaredyCat spanks some monkey for bad typing Oct 24 08:11:34 xzcvczx: Hmm.. I can't find anything called runlib Oct 24 08:11:38 ScaredyCat: um... Oct 24 08:11:45 :) Oct 24 08:12:03 cjb_ie: I hope he meant it litteraly.. :P Oct 24 08:14:58 XorA: Thanks, that worked! Strange.. Wonder where that libiberty came from, and why it tried to use it Oct 24 08:15:28 CM: yeah, in theory it should have been from binutils -r0 release Oct 24 08:15:58 Maybe I just had bad timing with my sync or something Oct 24 08:16:06 CM: I thing you probably should log a bug in OE bugs with that trace Oct 24 08:16:23 CM: just in case it turns epidemic Oct 24 08:16:30 I'll do that Oct 24 08:16:45 thanks, at least that way there is a workaround in bugtracker Oct 24 08:16:52 *nod* Oct 24 08:20:08 It's in 3205 Oct 24 08:20:13 * CM takes a coffee break Oct 24 08:26:24 abraxa_: I'm off for a meeting right now, but have you perhaps forgotten to checkin background.png? Oct 24 08:27:00 abraxa_: I get a build failure in the mediaplayer2 because of this missing file. JFYI Oct 24 08:30:04 ScaredyCat: can you just have a look why all the myscreenshot_???.jpg give back forbidden errors Oct 24 08:30:31 .png rather Oct 24 08:44:39 xzcvczx: should be ok now Oct 24 08:45:22 thanks Oct 24 08:45:57 i need to do some more with the new openmoko stuff :) Oct 24 08:46:12 * CM too Oct 24 08:46:53 ScaredyCat: yeah seeems to all be distinctly nonopenmoko photos Oct 24 08:46:59 aka qtopia photos Oct 24 08:47:12 yes.. sorry... will correct that soon.. :D Oct 24 08:47:27 its completely unacceptable Oct 24 08:47:32 I know... Oct 24 08:47:36 :P Oct 24 08:47:40 * ScaredyCat does the honourable thing... Oct 24 08:47:43 *bang* Oct 24 08:47:55 hehe Oct 24 08:48:04 there.. now that I've shot CM ... Oct 24 08:48:18 sweet Oct 24 08:48:22 all fixed Oct 24 08:49:57 howdy Oct 24 08:51:28 where are the shots? Oct 24 08:52:08 http://buildhost.automated.it/screenshots Oct 24 08:53:18 thx Oct 24 08:53:51 ah all qtopia Oct 24 08:55:45 yeah hence why we are abusing him Oct 24 08:56:12 is there a simple way to run om+qtopia in qemu? Oct 24 08:56:34 Don't think so, unless you get one of them to boot from the sd Oct 24 08:58:45 * xzcvczx hates developing software for devices you are not working on as its a PITA for testing Oct 24 09:02:16 is there an easy way to get charsets other then latin? Oct 24 09:02:47 * ScaredyCat pokes xzcvczx : more pics uploaded :D Oct 24 09:03:05 * CM has disabled locales and doesn't know additional charsets Oct 24 09:03:21 UTF8 for everyone! :) Oct 24 09:03:30 hey i want that settings app, whats it called and why isn't it included by default? Oct 24 09:03:40 the web browser is showing boxes for everything non latin Oct 24 09:03:56 torpor: Because it requires python I think Oct 24 09:03:59 btw, scummvm rocks when you use it with a bluetooth keyboard. Oct 24 09:04:04 CM: i've got python. Oct 24 09:04:14 I mean that's why it's not in the default image Oct 24 09:04:18 oh Oct 24 09:04:20 Python isn't either is it? Oct 24 09:04:25 python isn't onboard by default eh? pity. Oct 24 09:04:32 *nod* Oct 24 09:04:46 eh? no python? Oct 24 09:04:50 torpor: it's in my repo Oct 24 09:04:58 ipkg install it Oct 24 09:05:02 CM: nothing wrong with utf-8, as long as there are the needed characters in the font Oct 24 09:05:07 is it called SettingsGUII? Oct 24 09:05:14 mypapit: There is python for openmoko, but it's not installed by default Oct 24 09:05:25 ic2 Oct 24 09:05:41 settingsgui Oct 24 09:05:45 ok thx Oct 24 09:05:47 i'll check it out later Oct 24 09:07:11 ScaredyCat: not too nice haveing the images with bits they didnt load properly like pictures on the buttons Oct 24 09:08:06 pah! Oct 24 09:08:11 * ScaredyCat reboots neo Oct 24 09:08:40 aint i annoying :P Oct 24 09:08:47 :x Oct 24 09:11:24 how much space you reckon gcc/gtk and glib dev stuff would take up on the moko Oct 24 09:11:55 would make it so much easier for small programs just being able to program them on the moko then start them up straight away into the environment they will be run in Oct 24 09:22:18 20Gigs ! Oct 24 09:22:21 * ScaredyCat slaps xzcvczx - ok, better now ? Oct 24 09:23:14 http://buildhost.automated.it/screenshots/neo1973_OM_003.png isnt Oct 24 09:24:17 who runs buildhost.automated.it? Oct 24 09:24:27 ScaredyCat i think\ Oct 24 09:24:29 * CM thinks ScaredyCat has stolen it Oct 24 09:24:52 zash: me Oct 24 09:25:01 Or at least slapped the real owner into submission.. ;) Oct 24 09:28:12 ScaredyCat: how about a proper index-file for /screenshots/ with thumbnails? Oct 24 09:29:40 * ScaredyCat grumbles... Oct 24 09:29:44 ok, ok... Oct 24 09:30:14 * zash just happens to have one quite nice ;) Oct 24 09:33:00 where is it then :) Oct 24 09:41:15 openmoko: 03abraxa * r3261 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (images/Makefile.am openmoko-mediaplayer.schemas): Oct 24 09:41:15 openmoko: It's a good idea to remove files from the makefile if you delete them from SVN :) Oct 24 09:41:15 openmoko: Added GConf schema Oct 24 09:41:31 stefan_schmidt: Thanks for the hint :) Oct 24 09:41:39 greetings all Oct 24 09:41:58 Heya zdanek Oct 24 09:42:25 guys, I did flash with 19-oct image and my neo cannot register to network even if it asks me for pin Oct 24 09:42:36 I put gsmd restart in matchbox/session Oct 24 09:42:39 any ideas? Oct 24 09:50:47 Has it worked for you before zd? Oct 24 09:51:19 (the SIM) Oct 24 09:53:39 yes it worked when I had older build Oct 24 09:53:43 perfecly Oct 24 09:54:05 then something broke so I did re-flash to latest build Oct 24 09:54:25 I think there's a problem with power managment too Oct 24 09:54:38 I use windows and I'm having problems with usb connection Oct 24 09:54:50 I can hear that it disconnects Oct 24 09:54:56 zdanek: the fundamental problem with PM is that nobodies implemented it yet. Oct 24 09:55:08 hear that it disconnects? Oct 24 09:55:27 in windows there is a ping sound when usb connection is made Oct 24 09:55:30 and disconnection Oct 24 09:55:44 I mean usb-plug-in Oct 24 09:55:49 and plug-out Oct 24 09:55:55 not tcp/ip connection Oct 24 09:56:06 ah Oct 24 09:56:27 is it plugged into a powered hub, or directly into a motherboard port? Oct 24 09:57:09 openmoko: 03thomas * r3262 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appearance/ (ChangeLog src/appearance-background.c): Oct 24 09:57:09 openmoko: * src/appearance-background.c: Fix indentation to match existing project Oct 24 09:57:09 openmoko: style Oct 24 09:57:27 directly Oct 24 09:57:49 I'm talking about two separate issues Oct 24 09:57:56 most important for me is calling Oct 24 09:58:07 because I don't have other phone Oct 24 09:58:09 than neo Oct 24 09:58:33 all the time ? sign at antenna icon Oct 24 10:00:25 zdanek: no other phone? Oct 24 10:00:29 Well - I'd revert back to the image that was working for you. Oct 24 10:00:44 And I'd strongly suggest you get a nokia 1100 or similar entry level phone. Oct 24 10:00:46 * hrw never thought that someone will switch to neo at that moment Oct 24 10:00:58 problem is that I had very old image, I don't remember which one Oct 24 10:01:12 * hrw has unused nokia 6230i just in case of needing to test something Oct 24 10:01:13 ScaredyCat's worked for me Oct 24 10:01:17 a week ago Oct 24 10:01:20 The neo is at the moment - if you are not sticking to one 'known good' image, then you can't count on it continuing to work as a phone. Oct 24 10:01:22 but it's too huge Oct 24 10:01:29 I need smaller fs Oct 24 10:01:37 Why/?> Oct 24 10:01:49 What's wrong with using the SD card? Oct 24 10:02:10 Nokia 3310 FTW! Oct 24 10:02:21 Mine is a bit broken. Oct 24 10:02:41 Well - really it's the batteries. Oct 24 10:02:41 SC's image puts about 2MB of free space on fs Oct 24 10:02:56 zdanek: so what? use the SD Oct 24 10:03:13 ok, screenshots with thumbs sorted... Oct 24 10:03:13 sure, I didn't switched ipkg to SD but still some space is needed on root fs Oct 24 10:04:20 ~fish lrg Oct 24 10:04:21 * apt slaps lrg around with a large trout Oct 24 10:04:22 Move stuff over to /media/card Oct 24 10:04:29 (formatted as ext2) Oct 24 10:05:14 As a trivial example, you might look for large files and nuke them. For example, on my image, gdb uses 2.5M Oct 24 10:06:15 hey XorA Oct 24 10:07:28 * SpeedEvil should probably upgrade. Oct 24 10:07:31 cat /etc/issue Oct 24 10:07:31 OpenMoko .dev-snapshot-20070604 Oct 24 10:07:32 I thougth about moving all /usr to media card but I didn't try it Oct 24 10:08:05 OpenMoko P1-September-Snapshot-20071011 Oct 24 10:08:44 * hrw will consider booting from sd Oct 24 10:08:53 SpeedEvil: why is yours image so old? are you using only upgrades? Oct 24 10:09:07 zdanek: I've been mostly using stuff that works on it. Oct 24 10:09:20 zdanek: not actually testing the OM* apps Oct 24 10:09:30 * hrw use only upgrades Oct 24 10:09:54 OpenMoko P1-September-Snapshot-20071011 Oct 24 10:10:21 first install was at begin of sept Oct 24 10:11:17 I play with latest build but as I see it's a play with a fire Oct 24 10:11:22 and bugs... :) Oct 24 10:14:45 okay, I'll try to flash to older version Oct 24 10:16:34 hello Oct 24 10:19:45 regarding past discussions about repository type of OE, I have found this package that could be of interest: http://packages.debian.org/sid/main/mr Oct 24 10:34:05 * mypapit offline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 24 10:40:39 zdanek: I'm running a build from the 17th Oct and it works pretty well Oct 24 10:40:42 XorA: You around? Oct 24 10:40:46 abraxa_: nope Oct 24 10:40:51 has built images and packages and uploaded them all... Oct 24 10:41:00 zdanek: Have for at least 3 others too.. :) Oct 24 10:41:06 Ah boo, and I was so set on harassing you, too! Oct 24 10:41:19 abraxa_: heh heh Oct 24 10:41:22 abraxa_: whats up? Oct 24 10:42:04 I'd like to get the mediaplayer recipe patched, do you have time for it or are you preoccupied? Oct 24 10:42:56 abraxa_: I can look at it Oct 24 10:43:16 Awesome, should I file a bugreport or just hand you an URL? Oct 24 10:43:34 abraxa_: hand me a URL forr nwo Oct 24 10:44:46 * XorA hopes this uicmoc build finishes soon Oct 24 10:45:37 http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/mediaplayer_gconf.patch would be it Oct 24 10:46:16 CM: I'm using from 19th Oct 24 10:46:20 thx for info Oct 24 10:46:34 I don't want to move back more than it is necessary Oct 24 10:46:36 zdanek: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ Oct 24 10:47:07 That's default om images from the 17th, hopefully they work for you too :) Oct 24 10:47:47 CM: thx!!! Oct 24 10:48:03 abraxa_: Ill get that applied as soon as this build finished and I can test it Oct 24 10:49:08 XorA: Thanks, I'm not 100% sure I got it all right since I couldn't figure out the difference between _install and _install_append for OE, so I hope I did :) Oct 24 10:49:28 abraxa_: dont worry Ill double check Oct 24 10:49:35 * abraxa_ cheers Oct 24 10:50:04 CM: should I flash uBoot too? Oct 24 10:50:13 zdanek: No Oct 24 10:50:35 zdanek: Don't do that unless you have a really broken bad u-boot Oct 24 10:50:50 should trigger a bot on the words flash and uboot :-D Oct 24 10:51:11 zdanek: Just put it there since that's what I'm running right now, and that version doesn't seem to have any serious bugs. :) Oct 24 10:51:13 I don't Oct 24 10:51:36 XorA: Hehe.. A default "No!!!! Don't touch u-boot!" ;( Oct 24 10:51:38 I asked it because there maybe were some improvments Oct 24 10:51:57 zdanek: Well, it has been some improvements lately, and I need to try them Oct 24 10:52:12 zdanek: trouble is if you stuff up uboot flash you need a debug board Oct 24 10:52:13 zdanek: But I don't have a debugboard and I don't ant to brick it Oct 24 10:52:29 * CM adds a w before the ant Oct 24 10:52:52 I have DB Oct 24 10:53:00 CM: You got your u-boot mess straightened out? Oct 24 10:53:06 abraxa_: No Oct 24 10:53:10 Bummer Oct 24 10:53:14 Still broken partition table.. Oct 24 10:53:37 abraxa_: I need to try with a really new uboot where the usb console is default when you start with aux in Oct 24 10:53:52 So that I can do that partition thing Oct 24 10:54:24 Personally I find it really hard to believe that you're the only Swede buying a Neo :) Oct 24 10:54:36 I'm sure there has to be someone with a debug board nearby Oct 24 10:55:13 abraxa_: Well, there are at least 2 more with neos, but no one has the debugboard. Oct 24 10:55:26 Really regret not getting one Oct 24 10:55:46 There's at least one here in Finland :) Oct 24 10:55:50 Didn't anticipate that I'd break my partitions.. Oct 24 10:56:00 ScaredyCat: i think the uboot on automated is not good Oct 24 10:56:07 CM: get a really long set of cables and Ill let you plug into my debug board Oct 24 10:56:09 Batalyx: Yes, mjr said he'd help me if I needed to reflash it Oct 24 10:56:15 XorA: Hehe Oct 24 10:56:22 it doesnt brick luckily but if you try cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 to it it doesnt seem to work properly Oct 24 10:56:39 CM: ok, Helsinki is possibly closer to you than Jyväskylä Oct 24 10:57:03 I think it's still possible to fix without a debugboard if I can get into the uboot console, but the problems has been to get to that when I don't have a uboot_env Oct 24 10:57:04 xzcvczx: ? Oct 24 10:57:06 which one Oct 24 10:57:20 the one in /2007.2 Oct 24 10:57:32 * XorA wonders if you can dump a known good env from mtd in linux and overwrite it in another neo Oct 24 10:57:33 Batalyx: I've been in Jyv�skyl�, but only to change trains.. ;) Oct 24 10:57:34 xzcvczx: do lsmod, do you have cdc_acm ? Oct 24 10:57:46 XorA: Tried that, bad mistake Oct 24 10:57:57 ScaredyCat: on host? Oct 24 10:58:03 yes Oct 24 10:58:21 CM: is dfu still working for you? Oct 24 10:58:35 not as a module its compiled into kernel but all the other uboot versions i have tried work fine Oct 24 10:58:44 XorA: The partition table also contains information about the bad block table so it's unique to every Neo Oct 24 10:58:45 XorA: The partition table offset is in the uboot_env, and it's unique for every neo because of the bb table Oct 24 10:58:51 lol CM Oct 24 10:58:53 XorA: Yes, it works Oct 24 10:59:06 abraxa_: :P Oct 24 10:59:18 which one did you use xzcvczx Oct 24 10:59:19 ? Oct 24 10:59:43 http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f+svn20070829-r2.bin Oct 24 10:59:48 abraxa_: Who was it that said "Great minds think alike"?... ;) Oct 24 11:00:23 CM: HEY! Stop it! I was thinking that same thing, too! Then I figured "nah, that's cheesy to say" and decided against it Oct 24 11:00:36 * CM likes cheese Oct 24 11:01:05 But yeah, we already established that with our common liking for Filipino girls ;D Oct 24 11:02:04 Hehe Oct 24 11:02:53 abraxa_: An indonesian girl I know once said "Once you go asian, you never want caucasian." Hmm... *whistle* Oct 24 11:03:37 * CM gets back to work Oct 24 11:08:12 CM: ? Oct 24 11:08:14 abraxa_: isn't it a bit risky these days in the Philipines? Oct 24 11:08:40 u-boot seems broken atm xzcvczx - I can't rebuild it for you right now :( Oct 24 11:09:18 s/girls/lady boys/ Oct 24 11:10:30 ScaredyCat: and asian ladies all look remarkably young ;) Oct 24 11:14:23 wow the new startup sound is much better than the old one which is loud and goes forever Oct 24 11:15:00 ScaredyCat: dont worry i found one from september in tmp/............. Oct 24 11:15:13 which actually works Oct 24 11:16:47 what size do people think i will need for gui development linux partition Oct 24 11:17:45 :) Oct 24 11:18:57 Stephmw: My girl has Filipino heritage but grew up in Japan, spent 17 years there and moved to America afterwards - her heritage is only expressed in the looks, she doesn't even speak Tagalog ;) Oct 24 11:19:03 * ScaredyCat has 80gb just for OM/OE Oct 24 11:19:21 abraxa_: and at 35 she'll still look 22 :) Oct 24 11:19:38 Stephmw: You bet - her mom is 48 and looks 35, lol Oct 24 11:20:18 abraxa_: so when are you getting married so we can legitimately ask to see the lady? ;) Oct 24 11:20:26 heh Oct 24 11:20:43 ScaredyCat: it doesnt need all that crap and my hdd is only 30gig and i need win on it as well Oct 24 11:21:11 * Stephmw pats his 2TB storage box Oct 24 11:21:43 ok, so it's raided and the usable space is less :) Oct 24 11:22:39 hmmmm this is stupid..... told phone to hangup yet my landline is still ringing Oct 24 11:22:42 ah finally Oct 24 11:22:47 30secs later Oct 24 11:24:26 Stephmw: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/DSCN3094.jpeg ;) Oct 24 11:25:06 abraxa_: cute! Oct 24 11:25:28 pretty indeed, at least Oct 24 11:25:45 Age guesses? :) Oct 24 11:25:50 12 Oct 24 11:25:56 ScaredyCat: :P Oct 24 11:26:01 Very, and not the only adjective I'd use to describe her - Latino girls? Who needs 'em ;p Oct 24 11:26:30 lol ScaredyCat... last year she was indeed mistaken for <14 at a restaurant and offered a kid's plate Oct 24 11:26:39 oh dear Oct 24 11:26:48 Yeah, she was pissed, lol Oct 24 11:26:56 yeah, but not very funny if people think you're a paedo Oct 24 11:27:09 I have a friend who has the same problem - but it's mostly height, she's <5 foot tall Oct 24 11:27:40 Hi abraxa_! :-) Oct 24 11:27:46 Hiho Elrond :D Oct 24 11:28:05 My boss where I worked before had to show his ID in a resturant to buy beer to the dinner. He was 29 back then, the age limit is 18.. :D Oct 24 11:28:23 yeah, I still get that :P Oct 24 11:28:28 Short people seem to have that against them.. Oct 24 11:28:32 lmao... glad I don't have that prob Oct 24 11:31:05 ScaredyCat: talking of paedos.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=2R7QX0zIjgY Oct 24 11:31:06 then we also have the opposite. I have some friends that could go to a bar when they were 16 without having to show ID (age limit 18) Oct 24 11:31:08 ScaredyCat: NSFW Oct 24 11:31:16 ScaredyCat: earphones recommended Oct 24 11:33:43 Stephmw: My gf saw an old granma out at the disco last weekend. Whe was maybe 60-65, and making out on the dancefloor with some guy that's maybe 35. Better than a paedo, but still weird to me.. Oct 24 11:33:53 nice. Oct 24 11:33:57 s/Whe/She/ Oct 24 11:33:58 CM meant: Stephmw: My gf saw an old granma out at the disco last weekend. She was maybe 60-65, and making out on the dancefloor with some guy that's maybe 35. Better than a paedo, but still weird to me.. Oct 24 11:34:28 * CM is at work and does not dare to click on NSFW links Oct 24 11:34:43 There was a recent case in the UK about someone who slept with a 10 year old (who told him she was 17). Even the judge commented that it was an understandable mistake. (very advanced for her age apparantly) Oct 24 11:34:51 CM: it's not _visually_ unsafe... it's a guy singing and playing on a keyboard Oct 24 11:35:05 CM: the audio is funny, tasteless and not politically correct Oct 24 11:35:13 SpeedEvil: Have you heard that Akon song that's onl the radio all the time? Oct 24 11:35:23 CM: vaguely, yes. Oct 24 11:35:48 CM: went to see this double-act live... that very performance I believe Oct 24 11:36:00 He went to jail for having sex with a girl that was 16, but he met her at a club that had a 21 year old age limit, and she said she was 21 to him Oct 24 11:36:07 Tough luck though.. Oct 24 11:36:38 I do hope she was prosecuted if she was drinking. Oct 24 11:37:02 I don't think she got anything except for a lot of dollars.. Oct 24 11:37:09 i'd like to suggest these errors in my latest upgrade Oct 24 11:37:09 Collected errors: Oct 24 11:37:09 Package libjana-ecal0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libjana-ecal.so.0.0.0 Oct 24 11:37:09 But that file is already provided by package openmoko-dates2 Oct 24 11:37:09