**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 26 02:59:56 2007 Oct 26 03:07:31 haha Oct 26 03:07:34 the greenphone died. Oct 26 03:07:41 retired Oct 26 03:07:47 if they hadnt screwed up their orders twice, i would have had one :) Oct 26 03:14:41 LetoTo: it was always going to be a test device, never meant for the mass market Oct 26 03:15:16 and i dont think nice things like the greenphone and 1973 would be yay if they died Oct 26 03:15:31 exactly what I was thinking Oct 26 03:20:20 * swel024 must say one of the things he cares about least in the neo is the gsm component :S Oct 26 03:20:39 that's ... odd Oct 26 03:21:50 lol Oct 26 03:26:42 russellb: will probably change when the phone is usable as a phone Oct 26 03:34:00 I'm kindof the same, I want an internet device with wifi, the phone can wait until later :) Oct 26 03:36:30 i like the gps :P Oct 26 03:42:51 how does the gps chipset in GTA02 compare to the one in GTA01? Oct 26 03:43:40 capability-wise I mean, I know of the driver issue with the gps chipset in GTA01 (which should go away soon). Oct 26 03:44:52 xaid - you don't get quite as "raw" data Oct 26 03:45:02 but you could probably still post-process it Oct 26 03:45:10 i rather like ublox chipsets Oct 26 03:46:39 ckuethe: i read the spec paper and it looks pretty interesting. is there a big different as far as accuracy? Oct 26 03:47:34 in "road tests" i find my ublox and itrax receivers do better than sirf, trimble or garmin Oct 26 03:47:54 at least for non-optimal, gps-in-my-pocket applications Oct 26 03:48:11 executive summary: our RF engineers say it´s better Oct 26 03:48:15 my high-sensitivity antaris4 receiver gets fixes inside my concrete office building Oct 26 03:49:05 ckuethe: mickey-tw : thanks, that pretty much answers my question :) Oct 26 03:49:12 :) Oct 26 03:50:24 installing the qtopia image for the first time right now Oct 26 03:50:29 s/installing/flashing Oct 26 03:51:36 welcome back mickey-tw Oct 26 04:36:33 mickey-tw: are you still around? Oct 26 05:05:54 hi, I know it should be obvious but I downloaded the win32 qemu build and I can't find an updated openmoko-flash image Oct 26 05:06:00 where are they located? Oct 26 05:07:18 jadams_: let me know how it goes Oct 26 05:22:01 ljp: qtopia is much better for me than openmoko was, in terms of usability Oct 26 06:08:02 swel024: yep, i´m here Oct 26 06:11:15 * linux_galore waves Oct 26 06:12:20 mickey-tw: is there any reason the open-source gps components that have been made by om havent been released yet? it would mean that at least people who are planning on integrating gps into an app can look at the way to go Oct 26 06:12:29 one word Oct 26 06:12:30 EULA Oct 26 06:12:38 two more Oct 26 06:12:40 yet missing Oct 26 06:12:56 mickey-tw: why does it need to be EULA'd? Oct 26 06:13:08 because it´s closed source Oct 26 06:13:09 isnt it only the binary that needs the EULA Oct 26 06:13:17 yes, that it Oct 26 06:13:23 there are no open source componentes by OM Oct 26 06:13:26 yet Oct 26 06:13:30 (gps open source) Oct 26 06:13:36 mickey-tw: what about the one i saw on youtube Oct 26 06:13:47 ? Oct 26 06:13:48 I noticed the new N810 has GPS Oct 26 06:13:58 mickey-tw, the gsm driver is closed-source, but not part of OM? Oct 26 06:14:10 there is no gsm driver Oct 26 06:14:21 there is a gsm module Oct 26 06:14:25 and it talks serial commands Oct 26 06:14:30 mickey-tw, i see Oct 26 06:14:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D6i6vLlhGA Oct 26 06:15:10 mickey-tw: sounds like a pain Oct 26 06:15:21 well i assume it will be open source as it logically would just talk to the binary not be part of it Oct 26 06:16:24 if we were to write stuff on top of gps NMEA it would of course be open Oct 26 06:16:35 but remember this situation affects gta01 only anyways... Oct 26 06:17:35 mickey-tw: its all i have at the moment :S Oct 26 06:17:37 swel024: ah i see what you mean. this code has come from the same source as gllin as it´s just a testing app from GL. Oct 26 06:17:48 hence it goes under the same EULA Oct 26 06:17:50 no neo phones @ ebay ? Oct 26 06:17:52 dangit Oct 26 06:18:00 * swel024 slaps GL Oct 26 06:18:08 well, the ball is hanging on our side atm. Oct 26 06:18:12 FIC legal has to write this EULA Oct 26 06:18:19 and legal departments are sllooooooooooooooowwwwwwwww Oct 26 06:18:27 * swel024 slaps up lawyers Oct 26 06:19:13 mickey-tw: yeah, our SIP phone is was held up for ages by legal on getting all the codec stuff sorted Oct 26 06:19:20 "By using the GPS chip in this equipment you agree not to reverse engineer anything you do not get source code access to and will not use it in a missile made to hit the white house" Oct 26 06:19:26 there we go all done Oct 26 06:19:42 heh Oct 26 06:19:45 swel024: jäh! Oct 26 06:20:32 zash: ??? Oct 26 06:20:53 swel024: you cant redefine legislated consumer rights in a EULA, in fact you can get fined for even trying in some countries Oct 26 06:21:20 so its a consumers right to hit the whitehouse with a missile? Oct 26 06:22:55 swel024: its legal misrepresentation, bit like writing a contract that says, if you use this device you can kill anyone legally Oct 26 06:23:55 swel024: as in 'yeah!' Oct 26 06:24:10 lol ok Oct 26 06:24:21 also you cant deny all liability in a contract or license either because that is legislated Oct 26 06:24:54 you can try but as soon as it hits the court room its thrown out Oct 26 06:25:02 yeah Oct 26 06:26:10 its also like how all the companies here try to say if your warranty is 3 years long and after 3 years and 1 week your 100k tv stops working they try to claim too bad but gotta love the consumer guarantees act Oct 26 06:27:28 same here in Australia, we also have warranty extensions for support so even if the product is out of warranty you cant deny support for usually around 7-8 years after the product is made Oct 26 06:27:57 what part of aussie? Oct 26 06:28:05 Sydney Oct 26 06:28:08 ah ok Oct 26 06:28:21 havent been there in a while Oct 26 06:29:11 Australia is how most Americans think the USA should be Oct 26 06:29:53 we are pro capitalist but have a egalitarian tilt Oct 26 06:30:47 lol yeah im thinking about coming over there in a couple of years to work there for a while..... much more money to be had there than here Oct 26 06:31:24 swel024: depends were here is and some parts of Australia are not so good Oct 26 06:31:30 wage wise Oct 26 06:31:51 lol most places are better than nz Oct 26 06:31:59 lots of money in Western Australia thanks to the mining boom Oct 26 06:32:40 it seems that trolltech is abandoning greenphone and moves to FIC's hw (according to /.) Oct 26 06:32:40 swel024: aah NZ, nice green mountain one day, still camping at the base because Im broke the next Oct 26 06:33:08 mountains* Oct 26 06:33:38 swel024: hear foreigners are pushing property prices through the roof in NZ Oct 26 06:33:42 mudyc: lol days old Oct 26 06:33:54 linux_galore: luckily i am already in the property market Oct 26 06:34:24 swel024: that happens ;) Oct 26 06:34:31 swel024: yeah, rich fat white people wanting a bit of middle earth heh Oct 26 06:34:43 lol im not rich or fat Oct 26 06:34:56 and actually a majority of out imports are asian Oct 26 06:35:01 immigrants rather Oct 26 06:35:14 swel024: same here Oct 26 06:36:07 I think tourists are surprised how big a chunk of the Australian population is Asian now Oct 26 06:37:44 aucklands the same Oct 26 06:38:06 linux_galore: noo! but i wants to move to nz! Oct 26 06:38:09 some day .. Oct 26 06:38:09 I have been catch the train to school in the morning now for about 12 years and there is a stop were the students from a girls private high school all get off. Well a few weeks back I looked up and it hit me about 90% of the students were asian Oct 26 06:38:23 catching* Oct 26 06:38:44 sorry let me post that again Oct 26 06:39:59 I have been catching the train to work in the morning now for about 12 years and there is a stop were the students for a girls private high school. Well a few weeks back I looked up and it hit me about 90% of the students were asian but 12 years ago they were mostly European. Oct 26 06:41:03 White Australia is well and trully dead and gone now Oct 26 06:41:47 I like it though because there is allot more variety of food to choose from Oct 26 06:42:24 life isnt so boring with a cultural collage Oct 26 06:44:07 I think the USA from what i can see is going the same direction Oct 26 06:45:09 its getting to the stage were you don't visit india to see the culture you just cross town to were all the Indian people congregate heh Oct 26 06:46:06 anyway back to the OM Oct 26 06:46:36 Anyone tried the QTopia image on the OM yet Oct 26 06:47:06 someone just commented a few mins ago on it being more usable Oct 26 06:48:17 swel024: yeah, looks very nice to me too from the video, I cant help but feel the Apple iPhone crew ripped of some of the QTopia design process Oct 26 06:49:30 lol you cant say qtopia is entirely original either Oct 26 06:51:25 yeah, is seems like Apple and QTopia have this copy each other thing going, Im laughing at some of the features in OSX 10.5 ie icon preview, been in KDE now for what 5 years Oct 26 06:51:52 * ljp has tried qtopia on neo Oct 26 06:51:57 its the world of software, everything is a rip off of something else Oct 26 06:52:12 its the little spark of newness that is the gem Oct 26 06:52:26 XorA: lol but that newness is stolen 5 mins later Oct 26 06:52:36 swel024: of course Oct 26 06:52:56 swel024: but for the rest of time you can walk into shops and see devices you designed :-) Oct 26 06:52:59 OSX 10.5 dock is a serious copy of the 2003 looking glass one Oct 26 06:53:25 linux_galore: at least looking glass was opensource though Oct 26 06:53:44 right down to the 3D effects, and cover flow is also in Looking Glass (a Sun Java project) Oct 26 06:54:02 ho hum buildhost is back up but empty again :( Oct 26 06:55:02 I prefere the cover flow effect in Looking Glass to be honest OSX 10.5 seems to miss the point a bit Oct 26 06:55:47 I noticed someone has done a compiz-fussion cover flow plugin too Oct 26 06:56:17 accept in Linux the video files "keep playing" Oct 26 06:57:07 and you know that the stores got to be good when links to preorder the software doesnt work and it hasnt changed to buy now after the timer ran out 2 hrs ago for it Oct 26 06:57:38 lol Oct 26 06:57:49 yeah, crappy website code Oct 26 06:58:03 Im off anyway Oct 26 06:59:23 mickey-tw: any idea when buildhost will be back properly? Oct 26 06:59:33 is it not? Oct 26 06:59:42 everythings missing from it Oct 26 06:59:53 mmh Oct 26 07:00:27 except the root folders and /snapshots/ Oct 26 07:02:03 linux_galore: what do you think qtopia copied from iPhone? Oct 26 07:02:39 ljp: i was more referring to stuff that was "ripped" off other phones Oct 26 07:07:16 good morning Oct 26 07:11:52 Hopscotch, good morning Oct 26 07:15:12 i Oct 26 07:28:56 in a init script whats the proper way to start a shell script? Oct 26 07:29:09 thats going to keep going Oct 26 07:32:58 hi all Oct 26 07:33:52 swel024, yes Oct 26 07:34:17 mbuf: i am not too sure if it was a yes no question :S Oct 26 07:34:22 do you jsut do sh /blah & Oct 26 07:34:28 I was updating packages but found that http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/ is empty. I used the paths given in here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management But they seemed to moved some other place :( Oct 26 07:34:41 chacha_chaudhry: they will be back Oct 26 07:34:43 swel024, if i want to start services on boot-up, yes Oct 26 07:34:46 chacha_chaudhry: we are waiting on sysadmin to fix that Oct 26 07:34:49 patience is a virtue Oct 26 07:34:58 swel024: okay Thanks :) Oct 26 07:35:02 mbuf: thanks Oct 26 07:35:09 ^^^ + XorA Oct 26 07:41:32 * swel024 thumps the living crap out of ***d Oct 26 07:56:28 neo buzz on slashdot again :) Oct 26 07:56:34 from one of the comments : "Here's something I read today from the OpenMoko mail list: "The Neo is, was, and will be, a product for geeks and therefore never was intended to be a mass market product. Geeks do not look at fancy glamour but for useful attributes."" Oct 26 07:57:17 i hope that's not an official stance or something ? i would really love to see neo/openmoko to reach a state where i can use it and it is geeky-powerful, but i would also like to be able to suggest it to everybody else Oct 26 07:57:24 even to the most non-geek persons Oct 26 07:57:32 well Oct 26 07:57:52 has this guy an openmoko.org or openmoko.com address? Oct 26 07:57:54 if not, ignore Oct 26 07:58:19 if so, i'll have to kick him Oct 26 07:58:22 :D Oct 26 08:00:28 * CM wakes up 4h after the alarm... Oct 26 08:01:09 lazy mofo Oct 26 08:01:11 mickey-tw, the comment did not specify the origin :) Oct 26 08:01:29 Richlv: Sounds like FUD then Oct 26 08:01:36 aah, bogglers Oct 26 08:01:56 * CM slaps ScaredyCat Oct 26 08:02:10 hi there. Oct 26 08:02:19 my openmoko-today cann't startup. Oct 26 08:02:32 It cann't find the libjana-gtk Oct 26 08:02:35 CM, i really hope so, yes Oct 26 08:03:11 I'll show my neo to my friends...but.... Oct 26 08:03:15 iirc wasn't that Harald - ^^ the comment ? Oct 26 08:03:29 Richlv: I guess the missconception can be that the GTA01 was never intended for mass market, GTA02 is Oct 26 08:03:32 but it was't on the community list, iirc dev list Oct 26 08:07:17 CM, that would be a very weird one, as even i know that :) Oct 26 08:07:28 what's the current situation, btw ? Oct 26 08:07:30 or was it the lipstick on a fetus thread ? Oct 26 08:07:40 is there some progress overview page or something ? Oct 26 08:07:50 i saw "in progress" category in wiki, but that's too spread out Oct 26 08:07:53 The current situation is that we're waiting and waiting... ;) Oct 26 08:08:48 A lot of work is getting done now, but I'm waiting for two things mostly, the FIC legal department do get done with the silly EULA for the GPS blob, and for the GTA02 hardware to come out :) Oct 26 08:10:21 any guesses when the 'ready for mass market' phase might be achieved (in software) ? Oct 26 08:10:36 that is, when most basic things work without problems from the gui :) Oct 26 08:10:38 * swel024 hates it when you see them talking about omgui/gllin.cpp on the mailing list but you have no access to it' Oct 26 08:10:57 dev mailing list* Oct 26 08:11:12 Richlv: Hmm.. Not in the next 3 months I think, but that's just my guess Oct 26 08:11:29 * CM is just a hang-around in #openmoko :D Oct 26 08:11:38 * swel024 aggress with CM Oct 26 08:11:59 cm has no life Oct 26 08:12:14 swel024: :P Oct 26 08:12:49 What I do have is a boring job withotu challanges, and I'll start another one in 2 months. Just have to wait... Oct 26 08:15:47 * ScaredyCat waits patiently for his V8 Oct 26 08:18:13 CM, ok, will take a look now and then :) Oct 26 08:21:11 Hi All Oct 26 08:21:27 I've been looking at some of the screen shots that have been appearing of late, and some thing kinda stuck out. Oct 26 08:21:33 everytime we update .bb file, we should increment x.y.z in PV by one, and also PR by one? Oct 26 08:22:29 The bit that says "No new messages", is it configurable to have that displayed? the reason I ask, for me it seems to be a waste of realestate on the screen and clutter, I would rather see it omitted and the fact that there are no new messages is implied. Oct 26 08:26:43 who was telling me about sqlite earlier? Oct 26 08:27:29 wibbit: smart! Oct 26 08:29:31 Where would be the best place to comment on that? Or is IRC the best? Oct 26 08:29:49 wibbit: Maybe set is as a bug against the today app? Oct 26 08:30:54 wibbit: i think at this stage its there as they have no reason to save real estate on that screen as there isnt much to put there Oct 26 08:31:02 CM: Am I the only person that feels this way? Oct 26 08:31:29 wibbit: Nope, I agree Oct 26 08:31:32 who's the maintainer of libjana? Oct 26 08:31:41 my openmoko-today cann't start Oct 26 08:31:49 swel024: I can believe that, and it's good to kinda "demo the abilities" but at the same time, wouldn't want it to become the defacto default ;) Oct 26 08:31:49 Pengu1n: Cwiiis I think Oct 26 08:31:57 Pengu1n: Chris Lord Oct 26 08:32:02 Pengu1n: http://chrislord.net/ Oct 26 08:32:16 CM: Got a link the bug db? Oct 26 08:32:42 wibbit: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org :) Oct 26 08:32:47 CM: thx Oct 26 08:33:39 and for the obsessive people who think they are cool' Oct 26 08:35:08 There are *NO* open bugs against the today app? Oct 26 08:38:00 I got a broken libjana0 and libjana-gtk0, then openmoko-today cann't startup Oct 26 08:39:42 Pengu1n: we saw this yesterday on .dev channel, the packages are fine, ipkg is broken :-( Oct 26 08:40:04 Pengu1n: if you ipkg remove -force-depends libjana-gtk0 ; ipkg install libjana-gtk0 it should fix it Oct 26 08:40:17 Pengu1n: repeat for libjana as well if need be Oct 26 08:40:53 sup guys? Oct 26 08:41:00 what .dev channel? Oct 26 08:41:40 swel024: tinysql/sqlite .. Oct 26 08:41:56 torpor: not for openmoko dev Oct 26 08:42:55 torpor: BTW does anyone ever speak during .eu time on open2x? Oct 26 08:43:01 CM: Bug submitted Oct 26 08:43:32 Does any one have a nice list of blogs to read to keep updated on OpenMoko/ Neo development. Oct 26 08:43:44 wibbit: planet.openmoko.org Oct 26 08:43:49 :) Oct 26 08:43:52 planet.openmoko.org planet.openembedded.org Oct 26 08:43:53 XorA: Thank you very much. I alsa repeat it for libjana-ecal0. then I can show my neo for my friend now:) Oct 26 08:44:01 * * OM Bug 959 has been created by douglas.furlong(AT)gmail.com Oct 26 08:44:02 * * Superflous information in Today Display Oct 26 08:44:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=959 Oct 26 08:44:07 mickey-tw: we need a new package manager :-( Oct 26 08:44:16 mickey-tw: or hire a guy to fix ipkg Oct 26 08:44:18 I had assumed that planet.openmoko.org would be a good agrigate to use, however for example http://chrislord.net/ isn't linked there, and after looking at his blog, it looks like it would be good. Wondering if I'm missing out on any more Oct 26 08:44:19 The digital clock is too large... Oct 26 08:45:20 XorA: me. i'm in vienna. Oct 26 08:46:03 planet.closedfist.co.uk is I think for o-hand people Oct 26 08:46:12 torpor: do you know what package i need to install on the moko to use sqlite in my program? Oct 26 08:46:29 wibbit: planet.openmoko.org Oct 26 08:46:37 torpor: its time for me to look into open2x, but there been no news for 3 months and webpages are down Oct 26 08:46:50 if anyone is hiring, i'm available! and i'd love to work on openmoko full time doing package maintenance Oct 26 08:46:54 :o Oct 26 08:47:01 XorA: there is lots of activity .. Oct 26 08:47:05 * ScaredyCat might have to start using rm_work again :( Oct 26 08:48:42 torpor: not package maintenence, someone needs to destroy and rebuild ipkg so it actually does something useful most of the time Oct 26 08:49:07 the thing with open2x is that there is a lot of major progress done already: compiler optimized for gp2x, SDL optimized for the gp2x video hardware, custom libs for the onboard stuff (2nd CPU, etc) .. but there is no real 'public' release of it all yet .. we still have to solve a couple issues before we can bundle a 100% replacement for the GPH-provided firmware.. such as mplayer, which as of a few days ago looks like its totally solved: is being built by the Oct 26 08:51:21 openmoko: 03werner * r3279 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/envedit.pl: envedit.pl (readenv): added option -c to only warn about CRC errors, don't fail Oct 26 08:57:44 XorA: Thanks for that, I'll have a look Oct 26 08:57:59 wibbit: you suffering the bug as well? Oct 26 08:58:20 Who would one contact to request additional feeds on planet.openmoko.org? Oct 26 08:58:40 XorA: If buy bug you mean, withdrawl symptoms from lack of updates on openmoko, then yes :o) Oct 26 09:01:25 rwhitby: MokoMakefile needs a patch for flash-qemu-local since the images are now kept in a different directory http://pastebin.ca/750169 Oct 26 09:03:19 build/qemu/openmoko/env also needs a patch since the kernel naming scheme has changed but I'm not sure whom that should go to. http://pastebin.ca/750171 Oct 26 09:08:40 hi Oct 26 09:18:17 tar: /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_3074_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory Oct 26 09:19:09 * ScaredyCat prepares for visitors from VIA Oct 26 09:21:33 this is of course old news for you guys, but still: "Trolltech CTO, Benoit Schilling, stated that they are not really a hardware company and so will focus it's efforts on FIC's Neo 1973" Oct 26 09:21:48 complete with the /. grammatical error ;) Oct 26 09:25:09 ScaredyCat: why you having visitors from via Oct 26 09:25:15 and why would you let them in the door Oct 26 09:25:39 oh god, please someone come up with a high power, low-consumption, x86 chip that can be used in the same places people are using arm. Oct 26 09:25:46 it'd remove the cross-compile dilemna. Oct 26 09:27:47 torpor, that would be really nice Oct 26 09:28:40 would that ever Oct 26 09:28:58 either that, or someone finally tackles the compiler-on-ARM issue and we do away with cross-compiling anything other than large system libs and stuff .. Oct 26 09:29:28 lately i've been very enamoured with my current neo setup: neo+apple bt keyboard+python. it awesome. its like, computing is fun again. i can write code for the device, *on* the device. woot! Oct 26 09:30:16 The cross compile dilemma wouldn't be an issue with a sane dev system. Oct 26 09:34:53 SpeedEvil: I like OE. Have you ever developed for maemo? Oct 26 09:35:07 I did not say that OE was not sane. Oct 26 09:35:15 ah :)) Oct 26 09:35:58 But people complaining about it obviously think it's not. Oct 26 09:36:14 Well, they never did any maemo. Oct 26 09:36:15 its not sane in the sense that you can just take what you've learned and move rapidly into development. Oct 26 09:36:36 you havde to learn new tools, which don't always make intuitive sense, because a lot of the design of these tools happened 'by the seat of the hackers pants' who developed them .. Oct 26 09:36:53 unless you lurk forever on #oe and #openembedded, and #openmoko, you won't "get" why things are the way they are. the core team are very closed. Oct 26 09:38:02 i would prefer a way to jsut have a very easy way to compile something for a particular system and run it during the very first stages of testing though Oct 26 09:38:43 swel024: i've got that for you. its called: a parallels/vmware image, refreshed daily, that anyone can download and use to get started already, without having to set their system up for it .. Oct 26 09:38:59 haha Oct 26 09:39:09 swel024: apart from the fact the the first run of MokoMakefile takes hours, once it is done you just develop as you are used to Oct 26 09:39:39 gamin: please add ".. and update it daily, be prepared for it to be broken daily, and fixed every 2 or 3 days or so..." Oct 26 09:39:50 exaxtly Oct 26 09:40:14 i have not had one start to finish of mokomakefile once Oct 26 09:41:54 openmoko: 03chris * r3280 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/src/: Oct 26 09:41:54 openmoko: svn:externals on inotify code from matchbox-desktop2 (which is in turn copied Oct 26 09:41:54 openmoko: from GIO) Oct 26 09:42:34 openmoko: 03chris * r3281 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/src/: Use http instead of https for externals Oct 26 09:45:58 XorA: You've mentioned a couple of times that you want ipkg fixed, is there a page for required/desired features for a ipkg replacement/rebuild? Or do you want it to be feature for feature replacement, that happens to actually work? :) Oct 26 09:47:03 wibbit: unfortuneately ipkg is a hh.org project that seems to have been abandoned, all I know is it doesnt work very well. Angstrom is looking at just making use of apt and dpkg Oct 26 09:51:29 we should jsut switch to rpm's :P Oct 26 09:54:15 XorA: I know from my use of ipkg I really don't particularly like it, I was assuming that things like rpm/yum and apt/dpkg wasn't being used due to weight Oct 26 09:59:21 swel024: i've had stable mokomakefile build systems every week, for about a day or two for months now . Oct 26 09:59:28 but i've gotten used to things being broken for a few days Oct 26 10:02:26 mickey-tw: http://pastebin.ca/750171 - qemu env file needs updating with new kernel name Oct 26 10:04:37 openmoko: 03thomas * r3282 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-talking.c): * src/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_init): Don't use gtk_widget_set_no_show_all () Oct 26 10:05:14 re Oct 26 10:22:57 anyone know why gsm is borked? Oct 26 10:24:17 because its wireless technology Oct 26 10:24:18 torpor: it does crash occasionally...thats known, lot of things needs to be fixed, Oct 26 10:24:33 oh..gsm..i thought you asked for gsmd Oct 26 10:26:03 Sup3rkiddo: most likely one and the same Oct 26 10:27:30 heh Oct 26 10:28:58 no i'm talking about the build .. Oct 26 10:29:04 NOTE: Unpacking /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_3074_.tar.gz to /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libgsmd-0.1+svnr3074-r32/ Oct 26 10:29:08 tar: /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_3074_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory Oct 26 10:29:16 anyone got this file? Oct 26 10:29:16 gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_3074_.tar.gz Oct 26 10:31:22 torpor: lol..ok, works here for me though, and there is no tarball like hat..code should have been check out from the svn, not the tarball..but did you "make update" Oct 26 10:31:33 yes i always do make update Oct 26 10:31:49 /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_3074_.tar.gz.md5 Oct 26 10:31:54 but no .gz file. Oct 26 10:32:07 torpor: letme try that on my box Oct 26 10:32:24 bitbake libgsmd-0.1+svnr3074 -c fetch Oct 26 10:32:27 ^^ does not work Oct 26 10:34:04 torpor: how about "make rebuild-package-libgsmd", works here Oct 26 10:34:19 okay trying that now then .. Oct 26 10:34:26 nope Oct 26 10:34:27 fail Oct 26 10:34:30 tar: /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_3074_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory Oct 26 10:35:00 Sup3rkiddo: do you have the .tar.gz? Oct 26 10:36:11 torpor: no, it goes like this, the build system "does" look to download the file, but fails, then checkout code from svn and build..i think its the openmoko "feature" to look for tar.gz at openmoko.org...happens even in my code Oct 26 10:36:30 well i don't get how i can fix this then .. Oct 26 10:45:55 openmoko: 03chris * r3283 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/today-launcher.c): Oct 26 10:45:55 openmoko: * configure.ac: Oct 26 10:45:55 openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: Oct 26 10:45:55 openmoko: * src/today-launcher.c: (monitor), (find_and_destroy), Oct 26 10:45:55 openmoko: (inotify_event), (load_data_dir), Oct 26 10:45:56 openmoko: (today_launcher_page_create): Oct 26 10:46:00 openmoko: Add inotify for .desktop files, copied from mb-desktop-2 Oct 26 10:47:30 torpor: you want me to copy them it to my buildhost like before? Oct 26 10:49:19 ScaredyCat: it would be helpful because i'm trying to get a new image built as of today Oct 26 10:49:45 i dunno why issues like this keep coming up .. its almost like people are committing things they're not testing through a full build first .. Oct 26 10:50:11 copied... Oct 26 10:50:19 http://buildhost.automated.it/ Oct 26 10:52:02 thanks ScaredyCat .. i'll see if this works and can continue the build .. Oct 26 10:52:14 :) Oct 26 10:52:30 yeah looks like its progressing now .. thanks again.. Oct 26 10:52:54 i'm going to create an om-missing dir and put them in there, so that I can do it with other missing stuff if I have it Oct 26 10:53:06 yeah i think that'd be useful. Oct 26 10:53:25 hopefully some of the other devs are reading their logs and seeing these problems we're having, and we can work out better solutions to this issue in the future. . Oct 26 10:53:35 buildhost.om is back up just in case people were wondering Oct 26 10:55:15 Yoink! Oct 26 10:55:17 Bandwidth (this month) 55843.24 Megabytes Oct 26 10:55:32 for what? Oct 26 10:55:40 my buildhost Oct 26 10:56:08 yikes. Oct 26 10:56:11 (downloads) Oct 26 10:56:15 Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 5437M packets, 38T bytes) Oct 26 10:56:25 our debian mirror ;) Oct 26 10:56:47 running about 3 months Oct 26 10:56:58 * ScaredyCat sniffles and hides in the corner again Oct 26 10:59:07 so if you need a mirror for your stuff, just tell me Oct 26 11:00:10 :D Oct 26 11:00:40 it should be ok.. I think it's just because the om stuff has been b0rked for so long.. Oct 26 11:08:48 re Oct 26 11:11:12 how do you see what its going to do in a ipkg upgrade instead of actually having it do so Oct 26 11:13:35 swel024: -noaction Oct 26 11:13:45 ah it is that Oct 26 11:41:06 openmoko: 03thomas * r3284 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): * src/today-main.c: (main): Do not hard code theme settings Oct 26 11:43:48 quote of the day "Vista is Ballmer's way of throwing chairs at people he can't reach." Oct 26 11:45:24 OMG TERRORBOMING!!! Oct 26 11:45:57 of DOOM! Oct 26 11:46:57 DOOOOOM! Oct 26 11:47:41 (a leaking tube with acetylene in a car in umeå) Oct 26 11:48:43 sites of local newspapers is ddosed :D Oct 26 11:49:21 it's all part of OPERATION IMPENDING DOOM II Oct 26 11:49:57 hmm, why has openmoko-panel-clock been removed from the panel? Oct 26 11:51:05 Henryk: my guess: they have a clock in the today-app now Oct 26 11:51:39 bah, but that's not always visible. I love my clock. I need my clock. Oct 26 11:52:08 .. my .. precious .. Oct 26 11:53:45 Henryk: stop winding your clock Oct 26 11:53:58 you will go blind Oct 26 11:54:06 wind-up-clocks ftw Oct 26 11:55:47 Henryk: Fancy writing a panel control applet to start/restart/customize them? Oct 26 11:56:14 hmm another cheap Linux ultraportable laptop in the works this time from Mitec http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20071023PD217.html Oct 26 11:56:31 abraxa_: ENOTIME Oct 26 11:56:37 hehe :) Oct 26 11:56:42 always have a virtual touch screen wind up clock Oct 26 11:57:52 OM version of worry beads Oct 26 11:58:51 EMOCLOCK Oct 26 11:59:11 always shows 1 minute to midnight Oct 26 12:05:24 re :) Oct 26 12:18:49 Holly cow! "OLPC Experiments With Cow-powered Laptops" Oct 26 12:19:05 methane? Oct 26 12:19:58 http://dev.laptop.org/~arjs/cp1.JPG Oct 26 12:28:21 no official release date yet :-( ? Oct 26 12:29:33 CVirus: Nope Oct 26 12:29:44 CVirus: In topic it states "December as of last update" Oct 26 12:29:55 Shame, I was hoping to buy it this month :( Oct 26 12:30:19 nox-Hand: this is not even official Oct 26 12:30:24 Oooh, Christmas... **adds to wish list as an "please be multiple people collaborating on making geek = happy"* thing Oct 26 12:30:27 I know Oct 26 12:30:29 But that could be cool xD Oct 26 12:31:00 Anybody around got the GTA02 ? Oct 26 12:31:43 CVirus: Probably some testing geeks, very hush hush :P Oct 26 12:31:59