**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 04 02:59:57 2007 Nov 04 08:51:52 hello guys Nov 04 08:52:09 i'd like to suggest this while auto-registering to my network Nov 04 08:52:09 ** (matchbox-panel-2:1287): CRITICAL **: moko_gsmd_connection_network_register: assertion `priv->handle' failed Nov 04 09:08:16 kristian-m: Yeah, I still marked it as dup because the title wasn't appropriate in that case Nov 04 09:08:41 kristian-m: Thanks for the hint. Looks like filing bugs at night is a bad idea. :) Nov 04 09:45:17 hi Nov 04 11:17:32 Hi, All! Nov 04 11:17:34 news Nov 04 11:36:00 fd Nov 04 11:36:25 ;) Nov 04 11:36:29 :ciao: Nov 04 11:53:54 * Elephant has set away! (auto away after idling [15 min]) [Log:ON] .gz. Nov 04 12:16:47 roh: are you around? Nov 04 12:25:29 counter Nov 04 12:25:36 huh? ;) Nov 04 12:31:10 oh dear Nov 04 12:31:15 white screen cant mean good Nov 04 12:32:10 really cant mean good :S Nov 04 12:34:23 ouch Nov 04 12:34:54 cb22: have you got a advanced? Nov 04 12:35:12 nope, i'm wating for 02 Nov 04 12:37:28 FU** i have either cleared my uboot or done something worse Nov 04 12:37:32 f*** Nov 04 12:37:36 f&%# Nov 04 12:37:38 big ouch Nov 04 12:37:46 what were you doing? Nov 04 12:38:30 trying to work out why my touchscreen wasnt working properly Nov 04 12:49:06 oh well theres a $400 brick Nov 04 12:49:20 :( Nov 04 12:49:26 where are you? Nov 04 12:49:28 nz Nov 04 12:49:38 i dont think anyone in nz ordered an advanced Nov 04 12:49:44 what about aus or so? Nov 04 12:49:56 xzcvczx: What's exactly happening? You're turning the Neo on and the screen just turns white, nothing else? Nov 04 12:50:29 abraxa_: yup Nov 04 12:50:43 xzcvczx: Can you check battery voltage? Nov 04 12:51:27 abraxa_: not easily my multimeter got nicked a while ago Nov 04 12:51:40 you think it will help if i chuck it on charge for a while? Nov 04 12:52:06 It might Nov 04 12:52:12 try the reset charge thing? Nov 04 12:53:37 abraxa_: is it possible to blank the flash by unplugging something on the board? Nov 04 12:54:07 You quite certainly wouldn't want to blank the flash Nov 04 12:54:13 (has put it on charge now will leave it overnight as it will be on slow charge Nov 04 12:54:35 Well, NAND I mean. Nov 04 12:54:35 abraxa_: yeah i relise that but is it possible to do that? Nov 04 12:55:31 xzcvczx, does your screen stay white, or just flash? Nov 04 12:55:45 stay white Nov 04 12:55:51 for ever? Nov 04 12:55:52 There's no point - you'd lose your (unique) bad block table and would need a debug board to devirginate the device; that's not much different from when your device is bricked, just a tad worse Nov 04 12:56:43 abraxa_: i am not trying to do it just wondering whether i could have done it by accident while i had my phone open Nov 04 12:57:06 Doubt it Nov 04 12:57:43 xzcvczx, maybe one of the buttons is stuck in or something? Nov 04 12:59:34 nah its not one of the buttons Nov 04 13:00:03 and you haven't been flashing? Nov 04 13:02:27 nah last flash i did was at least a week ago Nov 04 13:06:54 hi Nov 04 13:06:59 hmmm it registers itself as a cdc_ether but then disconnects and doesnt come back up Nov 04 13:07:36 when coming neo1973 gta2? Nov 04 13:07:47 topic... Nov 04 13:07:56 hhehe Nov 04 13:07:59 xzcvczx: I'd try letting it load :) Nov 04 13:07:59 thank's Nov 04 13:08:33 abraxa_: doesnt seem to reregister though Nov 04 13:09:15 at the moment the battery is out to reset it to an off state properly as its being a pita at the moment Nov 04 13:10:58 anrp: ping Nov 04 13:16:02 ok flash is fine touchscreen == stoofed Nov 04 13:16:10 well screen == stoofed Nov 04 13:17:06 does anyone know where the display connector is? Nov 04 13:20:00 No offense, but patience isn't one of your key skills, hm? ;) Nov 04 13:20:37 abraxa_: no, been awake too long Nov 04 13:20:57 and thankyou muchly for your help thought Nov 04 13:21:14 Just saying cause fiddling with it might *really* break it, so I'd just try letting it charge and see what happens then Nov 04 13:21:49 abraxa_: ah ok sounds good as i really should have been asleep hours ago Nov 04 13:22:11 Now that's two good reasons right there ;) Nov 04 13:22:24 * xzcvczx starts the process of learning patience Nov 04 13:22:43 anyone know what (or if) there will be an european distributor for GTA02 in december? Nov 04 13:22:55 it goes red then black then red then black doesnt it? Nov 04 13:23:01 :P Nov 04 13:24:46 krLun: European distriutor yes, December no ;) Nov 04 13:24:57 Well, at least "unconfirmed" Nov 04 13:25:01 k Nov 04 13:59:41 XorA: Mind bumping some srcrevs? Currently openmoko-today2, matchbox-desktop-2 and openmoko-dates2 aren't building because of external changes that the current revs don't honor Nov 04 14:01:33 I gotta go for a bit, so in case you feel like doing it, here are the revs: today2=3342, desktop-2=1778, dates2=659 Nov 04 14:02:44 can confirm this working - with these changes the whole build went from start to end without errors Nov 04 14:03:20 Danke ;) Nov 04 14:22:25 abraxa_: pushing those updates now Nov 04 14:22:49 bye Nov 04 14:50:08 hey guys, http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/python-gsmd/examples/pygsmd_shell.py?rev=84&root=python-openmoko&view=markup, libgsmd-tool -m shell in good 'ol python...still incomplete though Nov 04 15:09:01 Thanks, hrw|gone :) Nov 04 15:25:23 openmoko: 03mickey * r3346 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-usb.c): openmoko-panel-usb: hide USB applet initially Nov 04 15:35:51 I'm trying to setup a new makefile environment and am running into an issue configing libjana. It's telling me it needs gobject-2 >= 2.12 The only gob2 I can find is 2.0.14 which I installed to no good. Can someone tell me what I'm missing? Nov 04 15:39:50 openmoko: 03mickey * r3347 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: Nov 04 15:39:50 openmoko: neod: Nov 04 15:39:50 openmoko: * fix popup menu positioning when screen has been rotated (closes #964), patch by Kristian Mueller: Thanks! Nov 04 15:39:50 openmoko: * do not attempt to close the today window, no matter its title (closes #972), patch by Kristian Mueller: Thanks! Nov 04 15:40:10 Nice :) Nov 04 15:41:01 gobject is part of glib. Nov 04 15:41:10 just build a glib >= 2.12 Nov 04 15:54:01 openmoko: 03mickey * r3348 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (configure.ac src/buttonactions.c): neod: add rudimentary support for HTC and iPAQ devices (from OE) Nov 04 16:03:24 openmoko: 03mickey * r3349 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokopanelui2/libmokopanelui/moko-panel-applet.c: libmokopanelui2: silence debug output Nov 04 16:15:38 hi anybody doing circuit simulation in gnu? Nov 04 16:18:17 aeshyamae: geda has a suite of programs, although not an expert in it Nov 04 16:20:19 i made upto .net in geda but cant setup ngspice(first its not in standard repos)..it has a dependency on xspice and as i collect and compile it from another source its showing that make.include is missing.. i wonder why circuit simulation in gnu is so tough Nov 04 16:22:00 any body worked with gnucap? Nov 04 16:24:31 aeshyamae: hmm, which distro? Nov 04 16:25:06 Sup3rkiddo: now in debian etch,or else gnewsense gobuntu Nov 04 16:27:25 etch, ah ok..maybe the version in the repos are a bit behind the latest Nov 04 16:30:17 oo its in some debian repo?ill check Nov 04 16:34:21 i have etch main repo but thats not having ngspice Nov 04 16:34:44 i am not sure either..just ahunch Nov 04 16:36:06 Sup3rkiddo: tried gnucap? Nov 04 16:36:51 aeshyamae: nope, i am not ee guy, :), was playing around geda sometime ago..thats all Nov 04 16:39:04 k will check...was lazy to dive deep into commandline for circuit analysis...also i was interested to show my friends how we could replace Propreitary circuit simulators with geda or so..but cant progress much..though didnt done much hack,its not seeing very simple to me Nov 04 16:39:44 there is ##electronics Nov 04 16:40:03 SpeedEvil: i am there Nov 04 16:52:14 Can anyone translate stuff? Nov 04 16:52:45 without knowing from what to what... no? Nov 04 16:53:46 But I mean if I know Swedish can I help you to translate apps from English to Swedish? Nov 04 16:55:07 Ah, you'd like to help in the various translation efforts :) Best place to offer I think would be the mailing lists Nov 04 16:56:59 hello Nov 04 16:57:32 Where do I sign up for the mailing list? :P Nov 04 16:57:58 what are the differences between this and iphone? Nov 04 16:59:31 s0u][ight: see wiki Nov 04 16:59:45 can you give a link Nov 04 16:59:57 wiki dot openmoko dot org Nov 04 17:00:08 * XorA wonders on the worlds obsession with something as old school as iPhone Nov 04 17:00:31 is iphone oldschool? Nov 04 17:00:33 :D Nov 04 17:01:14 iPhone is some pretty polish on very ancient ideas Nov 04 17:08:59 is 60$ much for a 8gb microSD? Nov 04 17:09:25 i think it is a good price dunno Nov 04 17:09:46 PP|Spydon: I'd buy it at that price Nov 04 17:09:51 sounds about right Nov 04 17:10:09 then I will prepare myself for the phone and buy it :P Nov 04 17:16:31 does the phone support SDHC though D: Nov 04 17:19:45 will i be able to code with the neo1973? Nov 04 17:20:44 I saw that they were working on a J2ME thingy Nov 04 17:21:55 But I don't know if it comes with a compiler... Nov 04 17:22:21 please be so i would like to program with it :D Nov 04 17:23:29 You write and compile the software on a host system, such as a Linux computer (and maybe a windows or mac system in the future), and download them to the Neo. Nov 04 17:23:56 pfff not directly from the NEO?:( Nov 04 17:24:08 It's possible to put a compiler and tools on the neo itself, but that's not a very practical development environment. Nov 04 17:24:18 i want to program in school to :D Nov 04 17:24:41 you could do it via the neo via ssh or so Nov 04 17:24:46 Sort of. Nov 04 17:25:00 pfff that's too much work:D Nov 04 17:25:16 For "toy" programs -- but real applications would just take too much storage space, memory, and CPU. Nov 04 17:25:48 btw is it realy to be found in stories i mean the NEO? Nov 04 17:26:11 One could probably write programs with scripting languages, such as Python, directly on the Neo. That would certainly work. Nov 04 17:26:21 s0u][ight: programming anything without a proper keyboard is an exercise in frustration Nov 04 17:26:36 * Stephmw is the voice of experience Nov 04 17:26:46 :D your right :D Nov 04 17:27:10 what is the general language of moko? Nov 04 17:27:14 mwester: 4G is a lot of space Nov 04 17:27:15 its amusing, once upon a time, a 7Mhz processor + 800K of storage was enough to start making real applications. Now a Neo with 400Mhz and 8Gig storage is deemed too small Nov 04 17:27:16 i hope c++ Nov 04 17:27:36 I'm pretty sure you could compile at least C on the neo, but slowly Nov 04 17:27:38 the whole environment is built with C Nov 04 17:27:44 u_l-lap: Have you seen how much is required for a full toolchain capable of C++? Nov 04 17:27:57 mwester: yes because gcc is insane nowadays Nov 04 17:28:00 C is the common language and then there's bash Nov 04 17:28:02 Yep. Nov 04 17:28:10 others you have to install yourself Nov 04 17:28:15 there is no justification for it! why should the C++ compiler need more cpu time and memory than sbcl Nov 04 17:28:29 and disk space! Nov 04 17:28:39 For insanity, just look at the resources required to build libraries such as boost... Nov 04 17:28:50 boost? Nov 04 17:28:53 boost needs no building Nov 04 17:28:56 does need a lot of ram though Nov 04 17:29:03 what is the memory of the NEO Nov 04 17:29:15 boost is a mostly-header-only library Nov 04 17:29:16 without the micro sd card i mean? Nov 04 17:29:21 almost 100% templates Nov 04 17:29:23 hence the ram req Nov 04 17:29:34 mwester: 4G is still a lot of space; my entire debian install is only about a gig at the moment and that has gcc/g++ and a couple of lisp compilers Nov 04 17:31:28 anrp: Ok, perhaps I use the wrong terminology. Whatever component of mythtv identifies itself as "libboost" is what compiled all night on a P-III 800MHz w/256MB RAM -- a system that's comparable or probably faster, than the Neo. Nov 04 17:31:45 probably? thats way faster than the neo Nov 04 17:32:02 And in the morning, it still wasn't done, so I aborted that, and built it on a P-4 Nov 04 17:32:05 but i could believe it, template parsing and function creation are relatively slow Nov 04 17:32:24 however, you have to look at development time vs compile time tradeoff Nov 04 17:32:25 clearly the solution is to use CL instead of C++ since it is lighter weight ;-) Nov 04 17:32:36 The solution is to use emacs. Nov 04 17:32:39 :p Nov 04 17:32:43 thats a one time cost, if it saves the developer time, better machines are generally cheaper Nov 04 17:32:49 and even if not... one time cost Nov 04 17:33:58 I'm not willing to generalize in that way. I think that boost and similar libraries have a place, but one needs to match the tool to the job. And C++ code is generally heavier-weight, especially when using templates built upon templates built upon templates.... Nov 04 17:34:07 yay templates D: Nov 04 17:34:25 templates are useless Nov 04 17:34:28 ... Nov 04 17:34:33 them's fighting words Nov 04 17:34:39 * mwester would prefer to be sentenced to code in Java rather than be forced to use C++ with templates... Nov 04 17:35:13 how do you define useless, u_l-lap ? Nov 04 17:35:33 Actually, if we need object oriented, and it must be developed on the Neo itself, then it seems to me that Python is probably a very useful alternative. Nov 04 17:35:40 anrp: if C++ weren't braindamaged it wouldn't need them Nov 04 17:35:55 ah, so you're making a more general statement about the language Nov 04 17:35:55 mwester: python is slow and not a very nice language Nov 04 17:36:04 mwester: the clisp bytecompiler is faster and significantly faster Nov 04 17:36:22 anrp: it is a bit too machine oriented for my liking Nov 04 17:36:37 well it is derived from a systems language Nov 04 17:36:51 that doesn't make it a good idea Nov 04 17:37:18 mwester: Vala might be an option too.. ;) Nov 04 17:38:12 * mwester noted that discussion in #oe Nov 04 17:38:32 But I thought we already have python bindings for the GUI stuff in openmoko? Nov 04 17:38:45 Yes, but python isn't installed by default is it? Nov 04 17:38:51 only as much as GTK is bound to python Nov 04 17:38:57 which i think is very close, so.. Nov 04 17:39:07 anrp: No, all moko libs have bindings Nov 04 17:39:20 oh, really? wasnt sure of that... Nov 04 17:39:57 I think zecke did the first version this summer, and it's been updated since Nov 04 17:40:03 I haven't used it though.. Nov 04 17:40:09 CM: The only scripting language installed in the image is "ash" (the busybox shell). We really need to pick a scripting language, and get it installed as standard. Nov 04 17:40:18 openmoko: 03mickey * r3350 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/ (buttonactions.c buttonactions.h neod-main.c): neod: check initial charger status on startup and send via dbus Nov 04 17:40:19 mwester: Agreed Nov 04 17:40:30 there are nice gtk bindings for CL Nov 04 17:40:35 that would work on the neo even Nov 04 17:41:18 i think python is the most viable option, both for the current UI and for possible forthcoming UIs Nov 04 17:41:19 you're welcome to try, it's an open platform, and even with no hw you can play with qemu Nov 04 17:43:05 Enigma on the dreambox proofs that once you have fast UI libraries, you can code almost the entire application logic in Python without any major performance problem Nov 04 17:43:28 and you can later recode the bottlenecks in C anyways Nov 04 17:43:33 Exactly. Nov 04 17:43:34 mickeyl I second that Nov 04 17:43:50 CL on the anything proves that once you have a fast compiler you can code the entire application, all of your libraries, and the UI in the same language ... Nov 04 17:44:02 thats a very large undertakign Nov 04 17:44:05 Seldom-used dialogs (such as setting up bluetooth devices) can be done in Python, saving the developers time for more important tasks. Nov 04 17:44:43 I second the python. It's easy and works well. Nov 04 17:44:44 mwester it also makes sense for prototyping Nov 04 17:45:39 * mwester is a long-time Perl scripter, but will be happy to learn Python if it will become the scripting language of choice for the Neo Nov 04 17:46:35 python has already come the scripting language on the nwo Nov 04 17:46:36 neo Nov 04 17:46:43 ok, so here's my long term plan Nov 04 17:46:47 time to reveal it Nov 04 17:46:50 eh, last time i looked at python code it looked like spaghetti to the 20th power, of corse i guess that could have been the author, or the fact that it was an aim spam filter server Nov 04 17:46:53 as far as i know, majority of the non-c parts are in python Nov 04 17:47:38 i want a super-high-level kick ass application framework for the OM application platform. this might not happen tomorrow, but hopefully within the next 2 years Nov 04 17:47:58 in the meantime, we can just use the low level framework, as in pygtk and python-efl Nov 04 17:48:08 but eventually we want something that gives more bang for the buck Nov 04 17:48:33 making it possible for non-geeks to contribute code Nov 04 17:48:35 designers Nov 04 17:48:39 creative people Nov 04 17:48:43 etc. Nov 04 17:48:50 that's where innovation starts imo Nov 04 17:48:54 even faster ui prototyping :) Nov 04 17:50:25 yeah, nice plan Nov 04 17:51:03 mickeyl first step is to have stable apt in the platform though Nov 04 17:51:12 s/apt/apt Nov 04 17:51:16 api Nov 04 17:53:17 * AntonTakk is very tempted to buy a gta01 now that he has seen e17 running on one, start writing an e theme for the neo Nov 04 17:59:22 openmoko: 03mickey * r3351 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: only check PMU event status input node on startup Nov 04 18:01:36 Does anyone know why 'echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on' is different from writing the char '1' from a C program to this file ? Nov 04 18:02:08 maybe because of a newline? Nov 04 18:02:22 cb22: is this neccessary ? Nov 04 18:02:41 i'm not sure, but echo does it Nov 04 18:02:48 echo would really say 1\n Nov 04 18:03:05 ok thanks, then I will try it with "1\n" Nov 04 18:05:44 openmoko: 03mickey * r3352 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/ (ChangeLog data/openmoko-terminal.desktop): openmoko-terminal2: This application is not part of the PIM suite Nov 04 18:11:05 yepp, the \n seems to be neccessarry Nov 04 18:18:13 Hi folks, who are the primary developers of the GUI for OpenMoko? Nov 04 18:18:28 I'm curious as to the breadth of development behind that component. Nov 04 18:19:38 I would think there would be names in change logs, source control, about boxes, and the source itself Nov 04 18:19:49 That's where one usually checks Nov 04 18:20:15 brad[]: The o-hand people have done a lot of work on that Nov 04 18:25:50 CM: thx Nov 04 18:28:38 cb22: my fault \n makes no difference Nov 04 18:37:44 hello! I have seen a few videos on youtube and the keyboard looks like it won't be useable without stylus, is that going to stay that way or will it change to another system? Nov 04 18:42:04 Does anyone know anything that needs to be translated into Swedish? :P Nov 04 19:03:54 Where shall I send .po files? Nov 04 19:05:06 PP|Spydon: Min gissning �r att det �r b�st att s�tta dem som attatchment till en bug ;) Nov 04 19:06:23 Not much is translated so far, localization isn't prioritized yet Nov 04 19:07:05 CM, översätter du allt eller? Nov 04 19:07:17 PP|Spydon: N�, jag har inte �versat en rad �nnu Nov 04 19:07:22 hehe ok :P Nov 04 19:07:41 Men jag har h�ngt h�r i n�stan ett �r (i #openmoko ass�) och jag har en Neo Nov 04 19:07:48 nice! Nov 04 19:08:10 var bor du? Nov 04 19:08:20 G�teborg en m�nad till, sen Stockholm Nov 04 19:08:27 okay Nov 04 19:09:17 Vi borde starta nån Neo User Group i sthlm :P Nov 04 19:09:45 Hehe.. Kanske det. jeddy3 bor d�r och har en ocks�.. Nov 04 19:09:58 :D Nov 04 19:10:20 jepp Nov 04 19:10:42 Värst vad Svenskar det var här då, snart blir man väll kickad för att man pratar Svenska :P Nov 04 19:11:13 PP|Spydon: Vi �r inte s� m�nga, kanske 4-5 stycken, men vi pratar r�tt mycke.. ;) Nov 04 19:11:29 Hehe, är ni programmerare eller Nov 04 19:11:46 What are you doing online, CM? Girlfriend went home? Nov 04 19:11:52 * CM flyttar fr�n Mandator -> HiQ Nov 04 19:11:53 mmm, du? Nov 04 19:12:05 abraxa_: Hehe.. Yes, she got a lift to Stockholm with some of my friends Nov 04 19:12:21 I see foreign languages. Nov 04 19:12:23 njaa det kan man väll inte riktigt kalla mig än :P Nov 04 19:12:30 CM: Ah okay then... otherwise I would've kicked you off the net ;) Nov 04 19:12:35 abraxa_: Hehe Nov 04 19:13:08 PP|Spydon, whare are you doing then? Nov 04 19:13:31 * jeddy3 is switching to english...to be safe :) Nov 04 19:13:33 abraxa_: I've had a good time for sure, but now I need rest.. :P Nov 04 19:13:39 gymnasiet, jeddy3 Nov 04 19:13:49 or what did you mean? :P Nov 04 19:14:06 CM: *blinks* Nov 04 19:14:12 PP|Spydon: Well, then we're more than 10 years ahead of you.. ;) Nov 04 19:14:12 PP|Spydon, yes thats what i meant... Nov 04 19:14:41 PP|Spydon: CM means to say "we're old farts" Nov 04 19:14:57 abraxa_: Yeah, you're really ancient.. :P Nov 04 19:14:59 Hehe are you a Swede to abraxa_ ? Nov 04 19:15:08 Nein, deutschland! Nov 04 19:15:17 reprezent yo Nov 04 19:15:22 Hehe Nov 04 19:15:39 hehe ok Nov 04 19:17:31 * CM enjoys some Devil Driver on the stereo after a weekend with soft music Nov 04 19:17:53 :D Nov 04 19:18:32 CM: death.fm :) Nov 04 19:18:47 fgau: I'll check it out :) Nov 04 19:19:30 * CM watched Sonic Syndicate, Caliban and Soilwork last tuesday Nov 04 19:19:53 thursday.. *blink* Nov 04 19:23:19 * guaqua approves of Soilwork Nov 04 19:24:18 openmoko: 03mickey * r3353 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: send notifications over dbus system bus (not session bus), fix signal names Nov 04 19:24:36 openmoko: 03mickey * r3354 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/src/openmoko-panel-usb.c: openmoko-panel-usb: dbus session bus Nov 04 19:24:50 openmoko: 03mickey * r3355 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-battery.c): openmoko-panel-battery: dbus system bus Nov 04 19:29:28 hi �avelm Nov 04 19:30:59 Hi, woglinde! Nov 04 19:31:38 * pavelm is searching for semi-stable openmoko to flash. Getting calls would be nice. gsmd that can handle sms-es would be nice, too; I already have scripts to show them on screen. Nov 04 19:32:24 hm scaredy-cat seems to have one Nov 04 19:32:45 I just flashed scaredy-cat's 11-01 image, and gsmd just will not work there :-( Nov 04 19:33:05 pavelm: I'd try mwester's kernel and rootfs Nov 04 19:33:17 abraxa: Do you have a pointer? Nov 04 19:33:24 http://moko.mwester.net Nov 04 19:33:46 (someone should create wiki page with "good firmwares" :-) Nov 04 19:33:53 pavelm hm Nov 04 19:34:17 pavelm: There was a page like that for a while, but I don't think it's updated any more Nov 04 19:35:10 CM: Do you recall its name? Perhaps I should update it... Nov 04 19:35:46 It was like a review page of rootfs' from different dates Nov 04 19:35:49 I'll see if I can find it Nov 04 19:36:28 pavelm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing Nov 04 19:36:49 Thanks! Nov 04 19:36:59 Hmm.. hhf423 has been pretty dilligent :D Nov 04 19:37:31 Well, was no edit after Sept 16 before today Nov 04 19:38:06 Hmm, looks too long to be really useful. Nov 04 19:39:03 Some of the old reviews should be moved away from that page or so Nov 04 20:19:29 send greetings to mff, Marex :-) Nov 04 20:23:36 it was you school? :P Nov 04 20:23:55 univac: Yes; to some extent, it still is. Nov 04 20:24:02 :) Nov 04 20:26:27 Thanks for the http://moko.mwester.net. It seems to work. Nov 04 20:33:29 Has anyone seen working sms aplication for the neo? Nov 04 20:35:12 * CM hasn't Nov 04 20:35:44 pavelm: I think the plan might be to use something tiny-mail based Nov 04 20:35:50 So it's the same for sms and email Nov 04 20:36:12 But I'm just guessing and speculating based on rumours as usually ;) Nov 04 20:39:18 yeah, that would make sense Nov 04 20:41:09 And all events stored in eds-dbus Nov 04 20:44:24 how much memory does eds use? Nov 04 20:44:24 CM : I actually got desktop mailer to work on neo (in chroot) but it was ... not quite usable due to tiny screen. Nov 04 20:45:38 Heh, I can imagine that Nov 04 20:46:18 ...sylpheed, now I recall its name. Nov 04 20:46:28 ...there's a sylpheed for n800, that should be better. Nov 04 20:46:53 Does gpe have any mail app? Nov 04 20:47:06 cb22: no idea, you could meassure it. Install exmap(server) and meassure it with zero stuff inside the db and then write a script (I think o-hand has one) to generate dummy entries Nov 04 20:48:01 zecke, good idea Nov 04 20:48:09 * cb22 fires up vmware Nov 04 20:49:46 * pavelm imagines fake imapd, that presents incoming smses like emails. Nov 04 20:50:00 ...hmm, that might be useful, read the smses from computer :-) Nov 04 20:50:15 pavelm, yeah sounds pretty cool Nov 04 20:50:17 actually Nov 04 20:50:18 cb22: Check out http://projects.o-hand.com/eds :) Nov 04 20:50:36 s/actually// Nov 04 20:50:36 cb22 meant: Nov 04 21:04:06 hola Nov 04 21:04:28 back girl Nov 04 21:05:03 for those of you who are wondering wtf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollaback_Girl Nov 04 21:05:11 * sagacis__ ain't no holla back girl Nov 04 21:06:09 yeah, but the shit is bananas Nov 04 21:09:59 eheh Nov 04 21:10:36 good times, good times. Just don't phunk with my heart. Nov 04 21:12:16 please, where is the love? Nov 04 21:12:51 cb22, you got the wicked style Nov 04 21:13:26 * sagacis__ needs to get back to nanowrimo.org Nov 04 21:13:37 yeah, well fuck it. Nov 04 21:13:59 communicating in songs is fun :) Nov 04 21:15:30 It's a "who's line is it anyway" game. Well, song titles anyway Nov 04 21:35:09 hi Nov 04 21:36:10 how can i calibrate the mouse in openmoko under qemu? Nov 04 21:39:03 slux: i found this on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ts_calibrate Nov 04 21:40:20 run ts_calibrate Nov 04 21:40:45 (just like on a neo1973) Nov 04 21:41:05 how do I ask bitbake to built a package_cvs.bb instead of package_0.0.1.bb ? Nov 04 21:41:49 hi all Nov 04 21:43:12 does anyone know anything about the new qualcomm msm7500 processor/chipset Nov 04 21:46:14 xaid thanks! :) Nov 04 21:47:18 PITABoy: afaik not much is known publicly, some people with htc msm7x00 devices have started gathering information. watch the xda-developers wiki pages for titan/mogul/kaiser etc. and/or check out #htc-linux Nov 04 21:47:45 thanks for the channel i will look there Nov 04 21:48:47 I know that openmoko will boot on any kernel the only problem is knowing which arm11 sub arch to use Nov 04 21:55:05 does openmoko have kernel snapshots or do i have to download the code via cvs Nov 04 21:55:21 openmoko the distro can be compiled for any arch you like, be it x86_64 or armv6. the main core of msm7x00 is arm1136j(f)-s, if you can trust http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture Nov 04 21:56:14 i found that out by looking at freescale's version of the 7500 Nov 04 21:56:41 they are more forthcomming with information Nov 04 22:08:22 openmoko: 03mickey * r3356 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-battery.c): openmoko-panel-battery: use g_timeout_add_seconds (needs glib >= 2.14 now) Nov 04 22:38:27 gn Nov 05 00:23:10 sweet Nov 05 00:23:19 * xzcvczx just won something worth $400NZD Nov 05 00:23:27 Woot. Nov 05 00:23:38 ooo yeah Nov 05 00:23:38 Yay Nov 05 00:23:41 * SpeedEvil tries to remember what a NZD is worth. Nov 05 00:23:46 $us.9? Nov 05 00:23:50 .77 Nov 05 00:23:53 ish Nov 05 00:24:00 Nice. Nov 05 00:24:14 What is it? Nov 05 00:24:18 a jumpsuit Nov 05 00:24:22 ah. Nov 05 00:25:34 is there a flap in the back for poop time? Nov 05 00:25:48 no need Nov 05 00:25:56 just fill the suit up to the neck Nov 05 00:26:01 ew Nov 05 00:26:18 lol Nov 05 00:27:02 lol Nov 05 00:27:40 you only need be it for 20mins at a time so you dont need to poop in it Nov 05 00:28:00 a lot can happen in 20 minutes Nov 05 00:28:16 i lost my virginity in less Nov 05 00:28:19 ... Nov 05 00:28:21 nevermind Nov 05 00:28:28 lol i heard it was 20 seconds for you to lose that Nov 05 00:28:32 and thats all it lasted Nov 05 00:28:34