**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 13 02:59:56 2007 Nov 13 04:31:21 lol @ Android comment Nov 13 05:09:49 who was that person asking me about SIM authenication. Came across a SIM emulator today: http://www.tele-servizi.com/Janus/simemu.html Nov 13 05:13:15 1998 era, so should be fairly simple/easy to follow Nov 13 06:43:14 * CM notices the silence Nov 13 06:43:59 Morning :) Nov 13 06:48:22 Can the Moko play music? Nov 13 06:48:25 Video? Nov 13 06:48:28 Chess? Nov 13 06:49:06 t00na: Yes Nov 13 06:49:07 :P Nov 13 06:49:11 all of those? Nov 13 06:49:16 it can do all what your pc can do Nov 13 06:49:39 What formats of the applicable? Nov 13 06:49:42 Well, gta01 is a bit weak in processing power to do full 640x480 video, but qvga works Nov 13 06:50:04 t00na: mplayer runs, gstreamer.. Nov 13 06:50:14 What about the *dramatic pause, shifty eyes* GTA02? Nov 13 06:57:38 t00na: Hopefully it's available soon, and it will surely be better at viteo Nov 13 06:57:45 video Nov 13 06:57:59 cool, cool. Nov 13 06:58:13 t00na: The graphics chip in it has a mpeg4 decoder Nov 13 06:59:54 is it Free as in freedom? Nov 13 06:59:56 Like a hug Nov 13 07:00:00 So that you can share it Nov 13 07:02:38 Surely :) Nov 13 07:03:10 Cool. Nov 13 07:03:15 Is it... legal? Nov 13 07:03:25 Or should I ask? Nov 13 07:03:30 ;D Nov 13 07:04:14 Hehe Nov 13 07:04:21 What part? Nov 13 07:04:29 :P Nov 13 07:04:34 the mpeg4 decoder Nov 13 07:04:40 Yes Nov 13 07:05:05 But, how? A legal, Free mpeg4 decoder? Nov 13 07:05:46 I don't know the details, but I'm assuming it's a H.264 decoder implemented in hw Nov 13 07:05:56 in gta02 it is in hardware Nov 13 07:06:09 in gta01 you can use gstreamer-ffmpeg Nov 13 07:06:14 It won't play any mpeg4, just the "right" ones for that codec Nov 13 07:06:29 borg_: Or mplayer :) Nov 13 07:06:34 yes Nov 13 07:06:47 but gstreamer is in the repositories Nov 13 07:06:55 and its a lot cleaner ;) Nov 13 07:07:39 So the GTA02 comes out in... December? Nov 13 07:07:57 probably Nov 13 07:08:13 What's delaying it? Nov 13 07:08:33 t00na: Hardware manufacturing Nov 13 07:08:50 did they find a place to manufacture them? Nov 13 07:09:15 Or are they making them now? Nov 13 07:09:17 t00na: They found a problem in GTA02v3 and had to do a 4th revision. They did a few of them 2 weeks ago that are being tested internally Nov 13 07:09:29 A few of v4 that is Nov 13 07:09:51 So manufacturing should start "right now" some time Nov 13 07:10:07 But we rumour listeners doesn't know if it has yet. Nov 13 07:10:26 Who's in charge of all that? Nov 13 07:10:35 They seem pretty secretive about it. :/ Nov 13 07:10:59 The hardware? Nov 13 07:11:24 Well, right now it's the marketing people who's in charge, and they don't want to say much Nov 13 07:11:50 But many of the nice devs are around in here, just not awake yet ;) Nov 13 07:12:22 What about the firmware itself? When will it be ready? Nov 13 07:12:28 like, fully usable and stuff? Nov 13 07:12:37 its pretty much usable Nov 13 07:12:38 The phone software? Nov 13 07:12:41 No Nov 13 07:12:43 yes Nov 13 07:12:46 (phone, dates, contacts, media player) Nov 13 07:12:49 Usable, but not done Nov 13 07:12:56 but there is nearly no power management Nov 13 07:13:08 So it's grounded? Nov 13 07:13:10 thats (imo) the biggest issue at the moment Nov 13 07:13:11 And gsm is still not stable Nov 13 07:13:23 the software, etc. will be done before GTA02 is sold, correct? Nov 13 07:13:27 borg_: Yes, that and not being able to actually call ;) Nov 13 07:13:32 and those are all software problems? Nov 13 07:13:33 i dont have problems with gsm lately Nov 13 07:13:36 summatusmentis: Not done, but at least better Nov 13 07:13:59 to the point of usability by an end consumer? Nov 13 07:14:05 there is a problem with the 850mhz band too Nov 13 07:14:22 borg_: I managed to call right after flashing with an image I built on the 9th, but after that call it refused to connect to the network again Nov 13 07:14:25 which is hardware, and potentially unfixable... Nov 13 07:14:42 at least in current revisions Nov 13 07:15:02 other than the 850mhz problem, are they all softare problems? Nov 13 07:15:14 CM: i am pretty sure i can call reliable since 2 weeks or so Nov 13 07:15:24 borg_: Ah, nice Nov 13 07:15:46 My phone is a bit borked anyway, been waiting for months on a reliable uboot with usb-console Nov 13 07:16:07 Harald added that on October 15th, but I haven't heard anyone using a later u-boot than that Nov 13 07:16:37 i perfectly would use it as my main phone, but the battery is dead after 3 hours or so... Nov 13 07:16:45 :( Nov 13 07:17:09 CM: Are GSM and power management software problems? Nov 13 07:17:16 and i dont have the skills to do something against it Nov 13 07:17:17 t00na: yes Nov 13 07:17:27 * CM agrees with borg_ Nov 13 07:17:54 t00na: It's only the missing 850MHz band that's a hw issue Nov 13 07:17:55 i will have a lot of time in somethin like 2 weeks and will do something for the neo :) Nov 13 07:18:02 dont know exactly what Nov 13 07:18:06 So If I buy a GTA02, and it still has those issues, how easy is it to replace the software? Nov 13 07:18:07 :)= Nov 13 07:18:24 t00na: It's really easy to update the software Nov 13 07:18:38 how do you do it? Nov 13 07:18:48 t00na: At least from linux or osx, not sure how easy it is from windows Nov 13 07:19:07 t00na: Either via usb you can flash a whole new root filesystem Nov 13 07:19:10 and kernel Nov 13 07:19:33 Or, you do an "ipkg update; ipkg upgrade" on the phone Nov 13 07:19:43 there is a gui for it too Nov 13 07:19:46 And let it pull in packages from online repositories Nov 13 07:19:57 ah, so Wifi works? Nov 13 07:20:03 borg_: True. Forgot about that, haven't even tried it :) Nov 13 07:20:14 t00na: Not on GTA01, but on GTA02 it will Nov 13 07:20:22 okay, cool. Nov 13 07:20:24 Bluetooth and USB networking works Nov 13 07:20:26 CM: have tried it ones, works good :) Nov 13 07:20:35 but i am somehow stuck to the console Nov 13 07:20:39 makes more fun :P Nov 13 07:20:46 borg_: Old habits die hard.. ;) Nov 13 07:24:15 Hrmpf.. Why don't I see OpenMoko here: http://devphone.com/ Nov 13 07:25:39 because openmoko isnt from google, apple or microsoft Nov 13 07:27:13 Or Nokia Nov 13 07:28:34 openmoko browser runs on angstrom right? Nov 13 07:29:03 t00na: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/10/25/new-stuff-in-openmoko-with-screenshots/ Nov 13 07:29:09 there are screenshots of the application manager Nov 13 07:29:22 summatusmentis: It should Nov 13 07:29:25 with that you can update the phone Nov 13 07:32:17 Good: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/47205.html Nov 13 07:33:13 CM: ok, thanks Nov 13 07:33:24 * summatusmentis wishes his 3200 had phone capabilities Nov 13 07:39:12 okay, thanks borg_, CM, and summatusmentis Nov 13 07:39:24 * t00na is listening to Hybris - Squalid Rooms on The First Words | [950 kbps] | [44.1 kHz] | [5:05/2:05] | [] | [flac] Nov 13 07:39:27 bye! Nov 13 07:59:26 moin Nov 13 08:03:27 moin moin Nov 13 08:03:32 morning Nov 13 08:12:00 good morning Nov 13 09:12:29 While Updating the Build2007.2, make setup gives error message touch stamps/patches Nov 13 09:12:30 touch: cannot touch `stamps/patches': Permission denied Nov 13 09:12:30 make: *** [setup-patches] Error 1 Nov 13 09:14:04 atul: ls -l stamps/patches Nov 13 09:14:07 what does it say? Nov 13 09:14:28 Vegar, i dont no Nov 13 09:14:59 paste the output here Nov 13 09:16:18 ~pastebin Nov 13 09:16:19 pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well Nov 13 09:16:42 atul: In case you need it :) Nov 13 09:17:40 good morning! Nov 13 09:20:13 http://pastebin.ca/771860 Nov 13 09:20:32 CM, apt, http://pastebin.ca/771860 Nov 13 09:22:12 CM, apt, Vegar, http://pastebin.ca/771862 Nov 13 09:22:53 atul: run this: ls -l stamps/patches Nov 13 09:23:07 ah, it's there Nov 13 09:23:17 right Nov 13 09:23:40 well, it looks like the script has been executed as root once Nov 13 09:24:01 chown it to your current user Nov 13 09:24:25 chown -R username:username . Nov 13 09:24:33 Yes, don't run it as root Nov 13 09:27:30 neo now lasts at least 21.5 hours in standby Nov 13 09:29:07 cool Nov 13 09:31:16 XorA, what do you mean with standby? just laying it down somewhere and wait? Nov 13 09:31:25 or is Standby a special state? Nov 13 09:33:00 josch: suspend to ram Nov 13 09:33:17 zash, ah, but I have to suspend it via ssh? Nov 13 09:33:38 iduno Nov 13 09:33:57 no, set PM mode to full on the menu, it will suspend itself Nov 13 09:34:24 XorA: will it wake up on gsm-event? Nov 13 09:34:34 XorA, does suspend mean, that it switches off gsm etc. or will it only power down the cpu? Nov 13 09:34:40 zash: its supposed to, whether that works yet or not I dont know Nov 13 09:34:51 josch: gsm should still be running Nov 13 09:35:04 josch: but its broken on my image at the moment so I cant test it Nov 13 09:35:24 josch: suposed to drop power to most stuff, exept ram and gsm Nov 13 09:35:27 just tonight made a test how long the battery will last with the "Dim Only" Mode > 7,5h Nov 13 09:36:17 I took this opportunity to create another battvolt graph http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/battvolt2.png Nov 13 09:36:50 and the gta02 will ship with better battery Nov 13 09:36:50 I heard SpeedEvil is working on a better function to display battery charge Nov 13 09:37:05 zash, I do have a 2500mAh battery in my neo Nov 13 10:29:11 Hi ! Nov 13 10:37:51 meldianen: HI Nov 13 10:41:38 flexd: I use to visit the OpenMoko websites and wiki weekly but don't have recent news concerning the public release : do you have some infos ? Nov 13 10:47:34 meldianen, read the topic Nov 13 10:48:04 meldianen: Basically, nothing known for sure yet Nov 13 10:48:41 I've read something about the end of December Nov 13 10:50:08 josch: by the way which topic are you speaking about ? Nov 13 10:50:13 That's the best estimate now, since nothing official has been stated Nov 13 10:50:19 /topic Nov 13 10:50:46 meldianen: They are testing the latest hw revision of GTA02 right now Nov 13 10:51:04 okie Nov 13 10:51:07 ty Nov 13 10:51:39 :) Nov 13 10:51:46 hope to get one in the begining of 2008 Nov 13 10:53:48 Same here Nov 13 10:53:55 * CM has a GTA01 already Nov 13 10:56:46 gday!!! Nov 13 10:57:58 Hey there ;) Nov 13 11:00:25 good monring Nov 13 11:12:20 florian: hi Nov 13 11:28:31 !ombug 799 Nov 13 11:28:33 * * Bug 799, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Nov 13 11:28:34 * * obri(AT)chaostreff.ch: data abort while reading from SD Cards Nov 13 11:28:35 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=799 Nov 13 11:42:37 hmm, I tried to echo (-n) pre > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode Nov 13 11:43:02 but couldn't switch fast charging off. That not supported at this point? Nov 13 11:43:23 I could see it being useful for when you don't want to drain your laptop... Nov 13 11:43:40 (or even turn charging off altogether) Nov 13 11:44:22 i've never seen a phone offer the ability not to charge when power was available Nov 13 11:46:59 well, maybe we can make an exception Nov 13 11:47:10 * mjr wonders if it'd be an easy patch for him to do Nov 13 12:04:46 why would you want it NOT charging Nov 13 12:04:50 when there's power to be sucked on Nov 13 12:12:47 flexd: the thing you are trying to charge off might be a PDA :-) Nov 13 12:15:03 Sup3rkiddo, !! Nov 13 12:15:44 Sup3rkiddo, I think I found out why sms sending isn't working by looking at the gsmd-log Nov 13 12:15:56 josch: what? Nov 13 12:17:14 if I send successfully the massage "blub" to 01636832356 with libgsmd-tool (ss=0,01636832356,"blub") Nov 13 12:17:24 then the following at command is issued: Nov 13 12:17:37 AT+CMGS=19 0001000B811036862353F60000062231BB2E1601 Nov 13 12:17:56 but if I do the same with pygsmd then it is Nov 13 12:18:01 AT+CMGS=13 0021000B811036862353F6005C7F Nov 13 12:18:14 as you can see the message length is wrong! Nov 13 12:18:16 something is being done wrong then Nov 13 12:18:25 josch: hi Nov 13 12:18:29 Sup3rkiddo, hi! Nov 13 12:18:31 hmmm Nov 13 12:18:48 dang, i dont have a neo to work on it now... Nov 13 12:19:05 Sup3rkiddo, I was not very deep into your code but the error is simply that the at command you issue is wrong Nov 13 12:20:13 Sup3rkiddo, can you explain me the magic behind this number: 0001000B811036862353F60000062231BB2E1601 ? Nov 13 12:20:31 josch: hmm, maybe it becuase that delivery report is enabled in pygsmd (hard coded), well the new revision doesnt have support for reports Nov 13 12:20:49 in there has to be the phone number of the recipient and the message but I didn't find the piece of code where it gets encoded Nov 13 12:21:38 josch: i got no idea, lemme google...na, the underlying gsmd does that bit...all i do is lgsm_send_sms(handler, sms) in C...that should have done it Nov 13 12:21:51 okay Nov 13 12:22:28 but still the message is too short so you probably send something wrong Nov 13 12:23:33 josch: yeah, may be but still its weird since, i dont handle all the low level stuff in sending AT commands manually..did you notice any errors, warnings? Nov 13 12:23:56 Sup3rkiddo, a lot ^^ Nov 13 12:24:03 I will paste it into pastebin Nov 13 12:24:36 Sup3rkiddo, http://pastebin.ca/771953 Nov 13 12:25:33 this is the output if sending is successful: http://pastebin.ca/771954 Nov 13 12:27:36 josch: http://gatling.ikk.sztaki.hu/~kissg/gsm/at+c.html Nov 13 12:30:10 josch: emacs crashed hehe, so whats the link again Nov 13 12:30:40 Sup3rkiddo, the link flexd send? http://gatling.ikk.sztaki.hu/~kissg/gsm/at+c.html Nov 13 12:30:48 ah the pastebin links Nov 13 12:31:12 http://gatling.ikk.sztaki.hu/~kissg/gsm/at+c.html Nov 13 12:31:13 err Nov 13 12:31:14 Sup3rkiddo, http://pastebin.ca/771953 this is the output if sending is successful: http://pastebin.ca/771954 Nov 13 12:31:19 13:23 < josch> this is the output if sending is successful: http://pastebin.ca/771954 Nov 13 12:31:29 flexd, :-P Nov 13 12:31:42 i fail at pasting k Nov 13 12:32:30 hehe Nov 13 12:32:38 if i had a neo i'd work on this Nov 13 12:32:45 but i dont.. yet(!) Nov 13 12:33:08 flexd: same here,,neo stuck Nov 13 12:33:17 stuck? Nov 13 12:33:19 ?? Nov 13 12:34:12 josch: instead of running the pygsmd shell, could open up the python interpreter and do import pygsmd and pygsmd.sms.send("foo","barr") and pastebin the logs Nov 13 12:34:46 flexd: yeah in the university where they sponsored me a neo...i have semesters day after tomorrow, so can't go Nov 13 12:35:14 Sup3rkiddo, yeah one moment Nov 13 12:39:33 Sup3rkiddo, http://pastebin.ca/771966 Nov 13 12:39:44 Sup3rkiddo, pygsmd.sms.send("foo","barr") will do NOTHING Nov 13 12:39:59 the first argument has to be a string but a string that is a number Nov 13 12:40:11 so I used pygsmd.sms.send("1234","bar") instead Nov 13 12:40:53 josch: hehe yes Nov 13 12:41:15 josch: try to send the same message to the same number Nov 13 12:41:38 so again pygsmd.sms.send("1234","bar") ? Nov 13 12:41:58 josch: no the one you said was sent succesffully, Nov 13 12:42:20 Sup3rkiddo, with libgsmd-tool ? Nov 13 12:43:04 josch: yeah the same message, now please compare the log messages.. Nov 13 12:43:10 gsmd.sms.send(Contact.find_by_name('Some dude').phone, 'bla bla bla') Nov 13 12:43:13 kk mom Nov 13 12:43:18 * zash likes ror Nov 13 12:44:05 ~trout zash Nov 13 12:44:06 * apt slaps zash around a bit with a large trout! Nov 13 12:44:06 Sup3rkiddo, I will send ss=0,1234,"bar" <= is 0 right? Nov 13 12:44:18 Sup3rkiddo: :( Nov 13 12:45:36 josch: yeah, but the thing is, i am not sure if that encode stuff changes if you enable delivery reports...the pygsmd build you are using has it enabled..so obviously please substitute 1 instead of 0 Nov 13 12:45:53 okay Nov 13 12:46:11 josch: thanks for all the help man.. Nov 13 12:46:36 Sup3rkiddo, wow, thats really no problem!! stop to thank me! I'm really eager to get this working too! Nov 13 12:46:54 Sup3rkiddo, and to accomplish this I will do EVERYTHING I can Nov 13 12:47:13 cool.. Nov 13 12:48:28 http://pastebin.ca/771970 <= ss=1,1234,"bar" Nov 13 12:49:06 josch: ..adn the same stuff in pygsmd? Nov 13 12:49:55 this was this link: http://pastebin.ca/771966 Nov 13 12:51:12 Sup3rkiddo, pygsmd: http://pastebin.ca/771966 libgsmd-tools: http://pastebin.ca/771970 Nov 13 12:51:16 oh..dang, they dont match... Nov 13 12:51:25 Sup3rkiddo, as I said before Nov 13 12:51:42 Sup3rkiddo, I found out the same yesterday Nov 13 12:51:55 Sup3rkiddo, and this might be the one reason why it wont work Nov 13 12:52:59 yeah it could be...it would be great if we could find how we get that encoded message..but i really really have a feeling its libgsmd thats gooofing up somewhere... Nov 13 12:53:08 josch: btw does voicecall work? Nov 13 12:53:21 Sup3rkiddo, didn't test Nov 13 12:53:43 Sup3rkiddo, It didn't test because I had qeustions to you concerning voice calls Nov 13 12:54:17 josch: yup, but atleast i tested it on my network and works.. Nov 13 12:54:48 Sup3rkiddo, will test it in a few moments Nov 13 12:55:11 josch: what are the questions? Nov 13 12:57:31 Sup3rkiddo, I see all the python functions to call, hang up, answer a call etc. but Nov 13 12:57:58 Sup3rkiddo, are there any event handlers that tell my app that there is a new voice call incoming? Nov 13 13:00:52 josch: yeah the current svn head has the support Nov 13 13:01:07 Sup3rkiddo, excellent! this solves all my problems at once! Nov 13 13:01:26 josch: but the logic implemented is kinda crappy Nov 13 13:01:27 now back to sms sending! Nov 13 13:01:49 Sup3rkiddo, for now, all what counts is, that it at least works Nov 13 13:02:09 josch: it doesnt match in my phonesim emulation as well, maybe if i fix it in phonesim, it should work there.. Nov 13 13:02:13 josch: hehe true Nov 13 13:02:41 ah, so you are developing pygsmd with phonesim Nov 13 13:03:00 josch: yeah develop here, test on neo... Nov 13 13:04:05 OT: the android demo looks impressive Nov 13 13:04:17 Ghiottone|work, what demo? Nov 13 13:04:28 I'm concerned about the power google can put in what they do Nov 13 13:04:29 demo is good Nov 13 13:04:40 I will also demonstrate against android Nov 13 13:04:51 against? Nov 13 13:04:57 what do you mean? Nov 13 13:05:17 there is a video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_avwGFsv60U Nov 13 13:05:20 ah... never mind Nov 13 13:05:23 youtube... Nov 13 13:05:28 f*** flash Nov 13 13:06:00 mickey: Hello :) Nov 13 13:06:07 mickey, hi! I saw there is no glade support for python in OE? Nov 13 13:06:09 what kind of demonstration do you have in mind? Nov 13 13:06:19 hi Nov 13 13:06:22 Ghiottone|work, forget it ^^ Nov 13 13:06:45 josch, could be. recipies welcome :) Nov 13 13:07:36 mickey, unfortunately I never did write one - who can? Is there a tutorial for me? Nov 13 13:07:54 well, there's about 3000 examples :) Nov 13 13:08:16 just use one of the existing ones in the python directory as base Nov 13 13:08:18 mickey, well... I'll be back in a few hours then! :-D Nov 13 13:08:20 but dont use the code generation stuff that comews with glade2 Nov 13 13:08:37 Sup3rkiddo, no, never Nov 13 13:08:53 josch: You rock ;) Nov 13 13:09:11 CM, well... I will see I I can rock bitbake ^^ Nov 13 13:09:19 Hehe Nov 13 13:09:58 josch: just ask if you need help Nov 13 13:10:05 Ghiottone|work, thx! :-D Nov 13 13:11:51 <_diego_> josch: yes, there is support for glade in OE Nov 13 13:12:09 _diego_, yes I saw libglade but no python binding Nov 13 13:12:21 <_diego_> I've already use it, so i'm quite sure Nov 13 13:12:31 _diego_, with python??? Nov 13 13:12:34 <_diego_> yes Nov 13 13:12:47 _diego_, tell me were to get the ipks! :-D Nov 13 13:13:48 <_diego_> import gtk, gtk.glade Nov 13 13:14:10 <_diego_> so, i suppose that you just need python-gtk Nov 13 13:14:26 <_diego_> or pygtk (i don't remember well....) Nov 13 13:14:28 _diego_, wow, this soundds great! will test it now Nov 13 13:16:24 <_diego_> Sup3rkiddo: I never use code generation stuff... but loading xml rappresentation of gui at runtime is cool ^^ Nov 13 13:16:52 * josch agrees Nov 13 13:17:27 _diego_: libglage Nov 13 13:17:31 *libgalde Nov 13 13:17:34 doh Nov 13 13:17:36 ^^ Nov 13 13:17:36 libglade Nov 13 13:19:14 Sup3rkiddo, calling from pygsmd-shell quits with an error Nov 13 13:19:21 Sup3rkiddo, will investigate this later Nov 13 13:19:34 josch: ooh, ok, but what error? Nov 13 13:19:45 <_diego_> btw: python + gtk + glade is great for prototyping gui on neo Nov 13 13:19:52 yes, it is Nov 13 13:20:13 * josch is just doing this atm Nov 13 13:20:31 I began writing the GUI in plain python but this really s**** Nov 13 13:25:36 if we have some JIT like psyco for ARM, we will have pretty cool python stuff in OM Nov 13 13:27:07 agreed Nov 13 13:27:17 python accelleration would be nice Nov 13 13:27:30 but i think even without we can do some nice things with more C-coded python extension modules Nov 13 13:27:37 that do all the time consuming stuff Nov 13 13:27:47 no need to do number crunc Nov 13 13:27:51 ching in python Nov 13 13:28:15 <_diego_> depends on application, often have basic logic very simple, and hard stuff done in some library Nov 13 13:28:28 yeah, gui completely in the lib Nov 13 13:28:37 business logic usually doesnt need that much power Nov 13 13:28:42 buz, gui in the lib??? Nov 13 13:28:49 sure Nov 13 13:28:51 the tough stuff is startup latency, but that could be fixed with some quicklaunch magic Nov 13 13:29:02 gtk is in the lib ;) Nov 13 13:29:05 iirc maemo are doing this already for their python Nov 13 13:29:13 buz, now I understand Nov 13 13:29:13 loading and controlling widgets can still be done from python Nov 13 13:29:23 buz, right - I got you wrong Nov 13 13:29:38 yeah i wasnt expecting people to write C to get a widget on screen ;) Nov 13 13:30:17 <_diego_> maybe having i python interpreter already in memory, and loading python from there Nov 13 13:30:32 <_diego_> s/python/python apps/ Nov 13 13:30:32 _diego_ meant: maybe having i python apps interpreter already in memory, and loading python from there Nov 13 13:30:44 <_diego_> ... sob Nov 13 13:30:53 i love python Nov 13 13:30:55 give me more! Nov 13 13:31:37 <_diego_> apt: do what i mean, not what i write ^^ Nov 13 13:31:38 * apt does what i mean, not what i write ^^. Nov 13 13:32:01 * _diego_ intrigued by apt Nov 13 13:36:16 looks like the white/orange has been sold out Nov 13 13:36:23 When is it estimated to be released by now? Nov 13 13:36:28 GTA02 that is Nov 13 13:36:41 nox-Hand, see topic Nov 13 13:37:11 morricone: white/orange was only the early dev releases Nov 13 13:37:13 i think Nov 13 13:39:29 morricone: Capow, thanks :) Nov 13 13:41:25 josch: i found the problem and the fix Nov 13 13:41:43 Sup3rkiddo, excellent!! :-D Nov 13 13:42:28 Sup3rkiddo, commit it so I can read the diff Nov 13 13:43:00 * * OM Bug 1006 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com Nov 13 13:43:01 * * Wrong order of button in "Remove group" dialog Nov 13 13:43:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1006 Nov 13 13:43:27 josch: in libgsmd-tool, do a ss=0,"num","text"...notice the double quotes in number, somehow i am sending in the text with quotes..bleh... Nov 13 13:43:59 Sup3rkiddo, wow, this was an easy fix ^^ Nov 13 13:46:29 josch: na, not yet..i have checked in..check the diff and the log message..that will explain things :P Nov 13 13:46:44 kk Nov 13 13:47:57 is it me or is CIA-13 no longer reporting any svn activity? Nov 13 13:49:30 mickey|uni: I haven't seen any commits lately Nov 13 13:49:33 not seen anything lateley.... Nov 13 13:49:43 just thought you were being lazy mofos ;) Nov 13 13:50:03 Last shown was r3399 Nov 13 13:51:21 josch: wait, mixup in datatypes, nothing else...hehe Nov 13 13:51:23 hmm Nov 13 13:51:26 it's broken then Nov 13 13:51:28 bummer Nov 13 13:51:31 need to find out how to fixs Nov 13 13:51:44 * balrog-kun also noticed that Nov 13 13:54:11 for anyone else interested, the listing of the android rootfs: http://pastebin.ca/771988 and the perl script which got it: http://pastebin.ca/771989 Nov 13 13:54:39 it aint your normal busybox rootfs :-) Nov 13 13:54:49 a quick C question, anyone know where the definition of u_int8_t is..i have a feeling its typedef char Nov 13 13:55:21 Sup3r, stdint.h Nov 13 13:55:26 it's unsigned char, i don't know where it is Nov 13 13:55:40 ah thanks..= Nov 13 13:56:02 * rwhitby just turned 40. ugh. Nov 13 13:56:17 what happened to dont mention android Nov 13 13:56:29 rwhitby, happy birthday ^^ Nov 13 13:56:31 * ScaredyCat hands rwhitby a walking stick Nov 13 13:56:36 rwhitby: well, it needs to support the binary drivers and it's build for 4 devices Nov 13 13:57:09 i mean they seem to use the same rootfs for four different evaulation boards Nov 13 13:58:03 gambler: the listing is for the purpose of determining if openmoko can run on a phone hardware designed for android. Nov 13 13:58:26 someone know when last time panel was working? Nov 13 14:00:11 YEAH!! python+glade works on openmoko out of the box! Nov 13 14:00:36 yay! Nov 13 14:00:42 who wrote MokoFEM ? Nov 13 14:00:45 and hey! i hate intel Nov 13 14:00:50 cos I vote for a name change... Nov 13 14:01:02 that sounds like some Femanine Hygine product Nov 13 14:01:31 MokoFEM? Nov 13 14:02:06 engineering mode access for TI modem Nov 13 14:02:09 <_diego_> josch: i was sure ^^ Nov 13 14:03:56 <_diego_> josch: u can see my code here: http://lifobot.cvs.sourceforge.net/lifobot/guiclient/ Nov 13 14:04:22 ScaredyCat: daltona did Nov 13 14:04:24 <_diego_> just a simple app... neo used as a remote controll for a robot Nov 13 14:04:45 ScaredyCat: I associate FEM with Finite Element Method.. Nov 13 14:04:55 <-- Physics guy Nov 13 14:04:56 _diego_, thx! Nov 13 14:05:41 what's mokoFEM? Nov 13 14:05:50 ah ok Nov 13 14:05:53 sorry Nov 13 14:13:24 yeah, CM - but you're weird Nov 13 14:13:40 i mean, you read my blog ;) Nov 13 14:14:06 ScaredyCat: where's your blog? Nov 13 14:14:17 and why isn't it on planet.openmoko? Nov 13 14:14:43 neeeh! Nov 13 14:14:57 http://blog.automated.it Nov 13 14:15:05 not very exciting... Nov 13 14:16:18 problem: http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/pyPhone.png <= the tabs at the bottom are stretched with the gtk expand attribute. It works on my host. the buttons will fill up all the space but in openmoko the look like this. how can that be? Nov 13 14:18:40 here is the glade file: http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/glade.glade Nov 13 14:18:57 why wont it stretch as it does on my host? Nov 13 14:19:26 fsck Android Nov 13 14:19:49 well... never mind... kind of found the problem Nov 13 14:19:51 why the fsck wouldn't google co-ordinate with openmoko Nov 13 14:20:13 different business models for a start Nov 13 14:20:23 that sort of overrides any technical reasons Nov 13 14:20:25 open contra closed Nov 13 14:20:30 rwhitby: Go to bed, or celebrate your birthday. Congrats btw :) Nov 13 14:21:55 CM: yeah, good idea. night all. Nov 13 14:22:03 Night Nov 13 14:22:24 ScaredyCat: Of course I subscribe to your rss feed ;) Nov 13 14:24:10 I have a subscriber?! Nov 13 14:24:12 ScaredyCat: you should get mickey_away to add your blog to planet.openmoko Nov 13 14:24:37 mine is there, and your blog is way better than mine. Nov 13 14:24:40 ScaredyCat, I see "You need to a flashplayer enabled browser to view this YouTube video" <= -_- Nov 13 14:24:59 you just need flash Nov 13 14:25:02 josch: just underneath the open source rant :-) Nov 13 14:25:13 grrr... Nov 13 14:25:20 nicely ironic Nov 13 14:25:22 rwhitby: mmm... didn;t think it was good enough Nov 13 14:25:38 ScaredyCat: I think it is. Nov 13 14:25:46 it's a you tube video, what did you expect... Nov 13 14:25:49 josch: Why don't you install swfdec or gnash? Nov 13 14:26:06 although I did also seed the originals Nov 13 14:26:08 swfdec is the only one that I've gotten working Nov 13 14:26:21 * ScaredyCat pokes cm Nov 13 14:26:41 CM, gnash works for youtube I know but I do not like proprietary formats conquering the web even when there is a more or less good free viewer Nov 13 14:27:15 josch: does that app use pygsmd =? Nov 13 14:27:21 josch: True, but it's hard to avoid.. Nov 13 14:27:29 Sup3rkiddo, not yet Nov 13 14:27:32 ScaredyCat: you have no feeds link on your page Nov 13 14:27:44 oh :( Nov 13 14:27:51 (rss feed link for me to subscribe to) Nov 13 14:27:52 mmm... Nov 13 14:27:59 * ScaredyCat goes looking Nov 13 14:28:03 rwhitby: Just click on the rss icon Nov 13 14:28:10 I mean in the ff bar Nov 13 14:28:11 CM, together with a friend I'm writing a youtube alternative consisting only on free software and open standards Nov 13 14:28:16 url bar Nov 13 14:28:34 CM, http://yolanda.mister-muffin.de/trac Nov 13 14:28:35 josch: ooh, nice. sounds tricky though. Nov 13 14:28:50 rwhitby: are you in firefox? Nov 13 14:29:00 I think IE7 handles that too Nov 13 14:29:05 CM, it could be ready but my UI designer takes a nap for a whole week now Nov 13 14:29:06 yes, but no RSS icon that I can see Nov 13 14:29:15 josch: I'd like to use that then :) Nov 13 14:29:19 ScaredyCat, I'm on foirefox Nov 13 14:29:27 josch: alas - the right time to launch it was 2004 or so. Nov 13 14:29:49 I wouldn't complain about people using flash if there is no alternative - because of that I'm writing one Nov 13 14:29:51 Weird. I have a black cat head, then the URL (http://blog.automated.it/) then an oragnge RSS icon to the right Nov 13 14:30:03 ok, *now* I see it :-) Nov 13 14:30:04 rwhitby: http://blog.automated.it/feed/atom/ Nov 13 14:30:08 SpeedEvil, had not enough skill that time Nov 13 14:30:51 Much like ebay, google, ... unless you've got massive funding, or a secure niche, I don't see why new sites of that sort will take off. Nov 13 14:30:54 I read blogs in thunderbird - that's why I haven't used that icon before Nov 13 14:31:00 Ah, ok Nov 13 14:31:22 ScaredyCat: now you have 2 subscribers :-) Nov 13 14:31:23 the only component that is missing right now is a good looking upload dialog - erlehman should have done this a week ago but he is very lazy Nov 13 14:31:31 hurrah! Nov 13 14:31:32 * CM lives in Google Reader Nov 13 14:31:52 although I think you just pushed the avarage age right up rwhitby ;) Nov 13 14:31:58 if anybody wants to make him finish his work, just join yolanda@conference.mister-muffin.de jabber multi user chat Nov 13 14:32:00 Hehe Nov 13 14:33:07 :-/ erlehmann just this moment went offline - maybe he read what I was writing about him here :-D Nov 13 14:33:24 ScaredyCat: put openwrt on your Fon Nov 13 14:33:54 it's a + unit, not the standard one... Nov 13 14:34:09 from what I've read so far it needs signed images Nov 13 14:34:30 nbd would know Nov 13 14:34:49 * ScaredyCat probs nbd Nov 13 14:34:54 prods even Nov 13 14:35:28 ScaredyCat: No probing in here! Nov 13 14:35:34 with a serial console it's easy to install, but the + one needs some patches Nov 13 14:35:36 :P Nov 13 14:35:46 i'll try to integrate those in the next few days Nov 13 14:35:52 sweet Nov 13 14:37:53 hm okayn my neo is stil not starting up Nov 13 14:38:28 anything that would cause it not to power up properly with a proper battery, or that would prevent the battery to charge? Nov 13 14:38:43 hi all. I read that qtopia has a Media Player Nov 13 14:39:08 Die_, did you try a charged nokia battery? Nov 13 14:39:17 but I don't find it in the qtopia neo1973 image Nov 13 14:39:22 Die_, just ask around BL-5C batteries are very common Nov 13 14:39:33 it charges slowly if the battery was really flat... Nov 13 14:39:52 ScaredyCat, he tried this for a few days as I understood it Nov 13 14:39:53 iirc @ 50ma if you have the bug (rather than 100ma) Nov 13 14:39:57 oh Nov 13 14:39:58 josch: i couldn't yet get my hands on a nokia battery Nov 13 14:39:59 shit Nov 13 14:40:09 it should charge in that time Nov 13 14:40:28 so how many days should i keep it plugged to be sure it's charged? Nov 13 14:40:31 Die_: I don;t think it will charge a nokia battery... Nov 13 14:40:40 you'll need to use a nokia phone or charger Nov 13 14:40:46 for the nokia battery Nov 13 14:41:43 Die_: I noticed your trouble earlier, that you had taken the batter yout, then put back in. I've had to do that once, and that was out with the battery for maybe 5 minuters, then plug in and charging for 1h was enough to get into uboot Nov 13 14:41:43 Tyrael: you have to build the media player yourself, the helix license doesn't allow distribution - unless you are trolltech Nov 13 14:43:58 exactly what does being trolltech mean? Nov 13 14:44:37 ScaredyCat: Thanks. Damn helix license... Nov 13 14:45:04 ljp: is trying to make it work without helix Nov 13 14:45:43 cool Nov 13 14:45:49 philips released a NAS device Nov 13 14:45:51 running linux Nov 13 14:45:55 you can just ssh into the thing Nov 13 14:46:05 and i think i happen to know the root pwd Nov 13 14:46:49 time to openembed the thing Nov 13 14:46:52 what is it gi-el? Nov 13 14:47:05 i'm not sure if i can share it :S Nov 13 14:47:17 I mean the device Nov 13 14:47:20 oh Nov 13 14:47:24 500GB NAS Nov 13 14:47:33 not sure what's inside yet Nov 13 14:47:37 i have yet to receive a sample Nov 13 14:47:58 yeah, gimmie a part number or something! Nov 13 14:48:04 mom Nov 13 14:48:41 in the long line of dreadful product numbers: Philips SPD8020 Nov 13 14:48:46 google says it doesn;t exist Nov 13 14:48:48 :) Nov 13 14:49:20 your google is worse at searching than mine, then Nov 13 14:49:35 :) Nov 13 14:49:46 and you say we have to beat the password out of you ? Nov 13 14:50:00 i might be able to give some... useful clues :) Nov 13 14:50:06 ;) Nov 13 14:50:53 it's going to be the same for all or the mac address isn't it Nov 13 14:51:25 if the final product is the same as the thing i got here it's the same Nov 13 14:51:36 ScaredyCat: you're dutch, right? Nov 13 14:51:39 no Nov 13 14:51:43 I just live here Nov 13 14:51:43 oh Nov 13 14:51:49 then let me find some english link Nov 13 14:52:32 http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/en/gb/consumer/cc/_productid_SPD8020CC_05_GB_CONSUMER/External-Hard-Disk+SPD8020CC-05 Nov 13 14:53:10 only 1 disk then :( Nov 13 14:53:16 can add more with USB Nov 13 14:53:18 it's USB host Nov 13 14:53:28 * josch wants raid5 nas Nov 13 14:53:44 as soon as i got it i'm going to see how easy it as for a consumer to get the source code Nov 13 14:54:10 yeah, and see if you get a gpl notice with it too Nov 13 14:55:10 if not - send in the fsf gpl task force Nov 13 14:55:19 streight to the philps hq Nov 13 15:02:37 josch: i'll go there myself :) Nov 13 15:02:59 hi Nov 13 15:03:35 ppl is it possible to run openmoko in qaemu frm exemple to see what it look like ,i would like to take a look at the web brower ? Nov 13 15:04:02 b52deb: It should work, but qemu has been a bit tricky lately Nov 13 15:04:28 The wiki should have some good instructions on how to get started Nov 13 15:04:35 CM, hm VMWARE ? Nov 13 15:04:42 hm ok checking Nov 13 15:07:43 why are all the openmoko gtk controls so damn ugly?? Nov 13 15:07:52 who do I have to blame? Nov 13 15:10:05 <_diego_> blame your bad taste =P Nov 13 15:10:51 <_diego_> btw control are themable, so depends if u are talking about standard look or what Nov 13 15:11:15 night all Nov 13 15:11:25 Sup3rkiddo, gnight Nov 13 15:11:47 http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/pyPhone1.png <= ugly notebook tabbing widget Nov 13 15:11:59 http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/pyPhone2.png <= ugly toggle buttons Nov 13 15:12:01 josch: I wonder if the o-hand guys is to blame.. like thos Nov 13 15:13:02 well it's okay if my app uses the standard theme but it's not okay if this theme is unusable (black text on black buttons?) Nov 13 15:15:14 <_diego_> i think is a bug in openmoko gtk-theme Nov 13 15:17:03 _diego_, maybe it's a feature -_- Nov 13 15:17:09 josch: Yeah, file a bug about it Nov 13 15:17:14 kk Nov 13 15:17:18 And attatch those screenshots :) Nov 13 15:17:21 a feature! Nov 13 15:17:24 stealth mode Nov 13 15:22:43 josch: ping Nov 13 15:22:58 ScaredyCat, pong Nov 13 15:23:10 what player does that yolanda use? Nov 13 15:23:32 cortado java or (at your option) your browser video plugin Nov 13 15:23:50 :/ Nov 13 15:23:53 ?? Nov 13 15:24:16 well, it's just that most people have flash... Nov 13 15:24:24 i even found a free flash player Nov 13 15:24:26 vicoe Nov 13 15:24:26 ScaredyCat, that is NO excuse Nov 13 15:24:34 video Nov 13 15:24:38 that was foss Nov 13 15:24:54 even if the player is oss - the format is not! Nov 13 15:25:15 gnash ftw Nov 13 15:25:16 yeah, but java... next you've be wanting android Nov 13 15:25:20 we think that formats shared over the internet should not be proprietary and/or controlled by one company Nov 13 15:25:32 ScaredyCat, you can also use mplayer plugin Nov 13 15:25:37 and java is gpl Nov 13 15:25:57 mplayer is probably-illegal-with-most-features-enabled Nov 13 15:26:03 but noone really cares so D: Nov 13 15:26:03 anrp, hrhr Nov 13 15:26:06 gnash seems a good idea, if it works Nov 13 15:27:08 "if it works" and then comes adobe and changes the format! Nov 13 15:27:09 no Nov 13 15:27:30 open and patent free standards are the way to go Nov 13 15:28:14 we want a internet that is NOT controlled by one company Nov 13 15:28:23 only this is freedom Nov 13 15:28:48 adobe has no reason to come and say: but you HAVE to use flash to be able to use the internetz Nov 13 15:28:55 there is something wrong Nov 13 15:29:36 josch: my internet is like that Nov 13 15:29:55 right, so you don't use google, you don't use you tube, or any other website that doesn't give you the source..? Nov 13 15:30:02 well - I'm not using flash because I do not want the internet to be not free for everyone Nov 13 15:30:14 I'm not using flash unless i want to Nov 13 15:30:17 ScaredyCat, no thats another thing Nov 13 15:30:30 my ISP doesnt tell me what i can and cannot do Nov 13 15:30:43 hi all Nov 13 15:30:46 i lurve python Nov 13 15:31:08 google gives me the data as html that I can read - if I would think so I would not visit any website which server doesn't run linux and apache Nov 13 15:31:23 I don't care about the source on the server Nov 13 15:31:28 well there isn't a lot of them :p Nov 13 15:31:30 I care about the data my pc gets Nov 13 15:31:38 of non opensource web servers Nov 13 15:31:43 the data that is actually shared over the internet Nov 13 15:31:46 even MS use apache as webserver Nov 13 15:31:49 josch: you know.. you could start your own internet Nov 13 15:31:55 but goodluck sitting there alone surfing all your nets Nov 13 15:31:57 that you amke Nov 13 15:32:07 ofcourse the content would be all yours too, much like a local network Nov 13 15:32:14 flexd, sry explain what you mean Nov 13 15:32:16 because that's what the net is, one gigantic local network :< Nov 13 15:32:26 internet itself will *NEVER* be totally open Nov 13 15:32:42 I think you missunderstood me Nov 13 15:33:08 probabl Nov 13 15:33:09 y Nov 13 15:33:10 explain! Nov 13 15:33:17 I think that anybody should have the ability to access every content on the net - they may use linux, freebsd ore whatever Nov 13 15:33:21 well there is always a tard to make some proprietary format to think they own their clients but in the end either the format get reverse engineered or it fall in the abyss Nov 13 15:33:23 to make this possible Nov 13 15:33:49 the data that gets shared between client and server has to be in an open format Nov 13 15:34:12 if this is not the case - nobody can make sure that everybody will be able to get the content Nov 13 15:34:34 Google will use xmpp on Android, good choice :) Nov 13 15:34:39 Die_, I think adobe can faster change the formats then we can reverse engineer it Nov 13 15:34:47 CM, good news! Nov 13 15:35:31 All those proprietary im formats suck, especially skype Nov 13 15:35:45 yeah... skype... Nov 13 15:35:53 CM: I second that Nov 13 15:36:13 Skype is a pain for every hacker/admin/nerd around Nov 13 15:36:40 security through obscurity is not secure Nov 13 15:37:21 The sound quality is ok on it though ;) Nov 13 15:38:10 skype is wth work of the devil Nov 13 15:38:36 it's even more evil than flash is Nov 13 15:38:41 speaking of it any GOOD voice chat app that would support multiple users at the same time and is not teamspeak and is opensource? Nov 13 15:38:52 asterisk Nov 13 15:39:02 can OpenMoko dial now ? Nov 13 15:39:14 CVirus: Occationally :D Nov 13 15:39:22 and occasionally too Nov 13 15:39:48 ScaredyCat: :P Nov 13 15:40:03 I'll let you off, as a subscriber.. :P Nov 13 15:40:16 * CM holds up a sign that reads: "Don't mock me, I'm swedish" Nov 13 15:40:28 CM: bork bork bork Nov 13 15:40:41 * ScaredyCat holds one up "That's enough of a mockery in inself" Nov 13 15:41:00 * ScaredyCat tries to spell Nov 13 15:41:14 Hehe Nov 13 15:42:00 * * OM Bug 1007 has been created by J.Schauer(AT)web.de Nov 13 15:42:01 * * openmoko gtk theme looks ugly with some widgets Nov 13 15:42:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1007 Nov 13 15:42:30 yay! it's alive! Nov 13 15:42:41 oh wait Nov 13 15:42:43 :( Nov 13 15:42:53 well there it is my gtk ui bug Nov 13 15:44:11 so there is no open source audio conference solution ? Nov 13 15:44:27 didnt someone say asterisk? Nov 13 15:44:43 it's good? Nov 13 15:44:57 (if someone answered i totally missed it...) Nov 13 15:45:37 Die_, how about using MSN messenger? :-D Nov 13 15:46:47 josch: GAAAH Nov 13 15:47:12 well i use pidgin Nov 13 15:47:21 JABBER ÜBER ALLES Nov 13 15:47:21 * balrog-kun uses ekiga Nov 13 15:47:24 no voice support for any of these closed source messenging shit Nov 13 15:47:29 asterisk Nov 13 15:47:34 asterisk Nov 13 15:47:35 yeah jabber + jingle Nov 13 15:47:35 asterisk Nov 13 15:47:45 i looked for asterisk i see its some sort of PBX Nov 13 15:47:45 ekiga > * Nov 13 15:47:57 but what you use as phone call client then? Nov 13 15:48:04 same package? Nov 13 15:48:10 slightly OT? :-D Nov 13 15:48:13 it has audio conferencing supports sip, iax, h323, blah blahbl ahblahbla Nov 13 15:48:16 yeah, lets put a phone-server on a phone! Nov 13 15:48:26 that could rock :p Nov 13 15:48:27 use an iaxclient pohne Nov 13 15:49:28 http://iaxclient.wiki.sourceforge.net/ Nov 13 15:50:03 you can call direct with some of those clients... indeed some will allow conferencing Nov 13 15:51:32 well i have a box that is sitting idle on a 100Mb pipe Nov 13 15:51:41 so i guess i can do something with it Nov 13 15:52:05 never miss an occasion to learn something :p Nov 13 15:52:12 then use asterisk Nov 13 15:52:49 http://www.automated.it/guidetoasterisk.htm http://www.automated.it/asterisk/ Nov 13 15:53:23 Die_: we ran asterisk on our company a while ago, and we have like 3Mbps or something, and a whole lot of ppl using it for calling ppl Nov 13 15:54:09 dont need a phat pipe Nov 13 15:54:11 we use it at the office... Nov 13 15:54:18 I use it at home Nov 13 15:54:23 you don't need phat Nov 13 15:54:30 that's why I can take my extension home when I go Nov 13 15:54:33 you need low/zero packet loss and low jitter Nov 13 15:54:39 ie office is in uk, I am in .nl Nov 13 15:55:34 * ScaredyCat uses it with sccp too ... Nov 13 15:55:41 * ScaredyCat is a bad person Nov 13 15:57:04 .. well at least he's stopped asking what to use ;) Nov 13 16:06:12 I'm starting a campaign to boycott android Nov 13 16:06:37 lol Nov 13 16:06:53 I'm seriously pissed off Nov 13 16:07:17 google turned out to be the bad guys Nov 13 16:07:42 they always were, you just didn;t notice before Nov 13 16:08:08 am I the only person here who remebers cyberpunk? Nov 13 16:11:20 XorA: So it seems ;) Nov 13 16:11:45 lo Nov 13 16:11:47 l Nov 13 16:11:48 gah, we spent all that time warning you guys about megacorps and you just go and ignore us :-) Nov 13 16:12:36 But Skynet just told me all is safe, nothing to worry about.. Nov 13 16:12:37 * ScaredyCat was always aware of the bad guys ... you only needed to watch blade runner once to get that :) Nov 13 16:13:03 ScaredyCat: You know there will be a new release of Blade Runner? Nov 13 16:13:04 * XorA worries that there actually is a UK military project called skynet Nov 13 16:13:19 they're going to ruin it aren;t they Nov 13 16:13:32 No, I don't think so Nov 13 16:13:36 "the final cut" is good Nov 13 16:14:06 Clint: You've seen it? :) Nov 13 16:14:09 * XorA never really liked blade runner, too much of a random hodge podge stuck together Nov 13 16:14:10 yeah, last week Nov 13 16:14:41 * XorA read Do Andriods Dream of Electric SHeep years before anyway :-) Nov 13 16:14:44 XorA: I suggest watching it again, now you're a littler older, and perhaps wiser :) Nov 13 16:14:46 ScaredyCat: http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/15-10/ff_bladerunner_full?currentPage=all Nov 13 16:15:03 well, we know it's the same thing XorA Nov 13 16:15:03 ScaredyCat: nah, its full of plot holes Nov 13 16:15:25 you need to stay away from imdb Nov 13 16:15:45 I watched blade runner before IMDB existed Nov 13 16:16:22 ooh interesting CM Nov 13 16:20:41 "In fact, I even wanted to call it San Angeles, and somebody said, "I don't get it."" Nov 13 16:20:51 stop working with retards then Nov 13 16:23:30 hello! Nov 13 16:24:33 bye Nov 13 16:24:47 now pay september Nov 13 16:36:05 hi all -- I've problems with the emulation on qemu with Ubuntu Nov 13 16:36:08 fradeve@dhcppc2:~/qemu-neo1973$ openmoko/download.sh Nov 13 16:36:12 Retrieving available builds list... Nov 13 16:36:16 Kernel is... uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r8-neo1973.bin Nov 13 16:36:20 Root filesystem is... OpenMoko-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071112-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Nov 13 16:36:24 U-boot is... not found Nov 13 16:36:29 --17:22:53-- http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ Nov 13 16:36:33 => `index.html' Nov 13 16:36:37 Risoluzione di buildhost.openmoko.org in corso... 88.198.84.234 Nov 13 16:36:41 Connessione a buildhost.openmoko.org|88.198.84.234:80... connesso. Nov 13 16:36:45 HTTP richiesta inviata, aspetto la risposta... 404 Not Found Nov 13 16:36:49 17:22:53 ERRORE 404: Not Found. Nov 13 16:36:53 with the download.sh there's a 404 error Nov 13 16:37:10 <_diego_> your problem is starting to use a paste-bin Nov 13 16:37:23 Fradeve87: www.nopaste.org Nov 13 16:38:07 edistar: sorry :( Nov 13 16:38:38 overflow, I know.... Nov 13 16:38:48 Fradeve87: no problem, you have to learn sometime :) you do get kicked from other channels for pasting the much though ;) Nov 13 16:40:30 edistar: I know this matter, but I'm a bit stressed today --- however Nov 13 16:41:19 no ideas to repair the 404? This isn't my first time of emulation on Ubuntu, but is the firts time that I get this error Nov 13 16:41:47 Fradeve87: please give me the link, then I can see Nov 13 16:42:32 http://nopaste.com/p/aFXf4Ywxn Nov 13 16:43:30 the directory for which download.sh is searching doesn't exist on buildhost.openmoko Nov 13 16:43:45 I think.... but why this appears to me as firts time? Nov 13 16:44:04 http://cvirus.net/?p=74 Nov 13 16:44:23 Fradeve87: the servers were updated yesterday I think Nov 13 16:44:52 edistar: mmm interesting... and to solve this, what can I try? Nov 13 16:45:28 well... it seems to be looking for an index.html, and it's not there ;) Nov 13 16:46:01 maybe change the link to uboot*latest directly? Nov 13 16:47:11 mmm I'm thinking that this could be a problem for anyone tries to run OpenMoko using qemu --- as written on wiki Nov 13 16:47:19 CVirus: roflmao Nov 13 16:47:29 Fradeve87: what page are you following? Nov 13 16:47:35 1 moment Nov 13 16:47:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU Nov 13 16:48:00 ScaredyCat, more to come :-D Nov 13 16:49:14 hm, ok Nov 13 16:53:43 Fradeve87: I Nov 13 16:53:52 Fradeve87: I'll just try myself now Nov 13 16:54:39 edistar: ok --- I'm curious Nov 13 16:54:44 Fradeve87: how long does it take to make? Nov 13 16:55:10 not more to 10 min Nov 13 16:55:41 Fradeve87: ok, what cpu? Nov 13 16:56:15 Centrino Duo 3 ghz more or less ;) Nov 13 16:56:19 I'm on laptop Nov 13 16:56:48 Fradeve87: cool, I'm on a laptop with 2ghz AMD, won't be long I suppose Nov 13 16:56:52 Fradeve87: just started Nov 13 16:56:58 but the most long part is downloading of files, the compilation is very fast Nov 13 16:57:04 ok Nov 13 16:57:14 so, I hope you're happy Nov 13 16:57:19 * doc|work bought an n800 today :o Nov 13 16:57:52 I prefer the look of the n770 but the n800 was supposed to be less annoying (faster hardware) Nov 13 16:57:54 Fradeve87: finished makeing Nov 13 16:58:05 edistar: yeah Nov 13 16:58:16 Fradeve87: error 404 :P Nov 13 16:58:27 edistar: doh Nov 13 16:58:29 doc|work: congrats Nov 13 16:58:32 edistar: :( Nov 13 16:58:51 got it for USD242 + delivery from ebay Nov 13 16:59:03 doc|work: thats quite alright Nov 13 16:59:11 yeah, not bad, cheaper than retail Nov 13 16:59:23 yes Nov 13 16:59:33 Fradeve87: did you take a look at download.sh? Nov 13 17:00:08 mmm yes but it's too complicated for my smart mind :( Nov 13 17:00:27 I don't know how it works exactly Nov 13 17:00:58 ok Nov 13 17:01:29 interesting problem.. Nov 13 17:02:29 edistar: yeah, think to all the people that in this moment are trying to make run it on qemu XD Nov 13 17:02:56 Fradeve87: install lynx Nov 13 17:03:22 Fradeve87: do you have that program installed? Nov 13 17:03:39 mmm 1 moment Nov 13 17:03:43 ok Nov 13 17:03:56 edistar: yeah Nov 13 17:04:16 ok Nov 13 17:04:17 ... Nov 13 17:04:26 edistar: lynx is a text-browser, if I remember correctly - I use it sometimes ;) Nov 13 17:04:27 Fradeve87: oh, still the same problem Nov 13 17:04:36 Fradeve87: yes, but I got that error just now Nov 13 17:05:09 Fradeve87: do you know where it saves it's stuff? Nov 13 17:05:22 otherwise you'd just be able to download it manually Nov 13 17:06:22 edistar: in what sense? It saves files in the directory from which you start the command Nov 13 17:06:33 in my case, fradeve@dhcppc2:~/qemu-neo1973$ Nov 13 17:06:42 Fradeve87: very sure? where does it save the uboot file? Nov 13 17:06:46 ahhh the files downloaded Nov 13 17:07:12 no no, the downloaded files are in /home/fradeve/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/ Nov 13 17:07:59 if you tell me which file I have to download, I can put it in that dir Nov 13 17:08:08 Fradeve87: http://88.198.84.234/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-neo1973-latest.bin Nov 13 17:08:23 or is it something else? Nov 13 17:08:37 I don't know... Nov 13 17:08:54 mmm 1 moment Nov 13 17:09:07 ok Nov 13 17:10:10 in /openmoko dir I have uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r8-neo1973.bin Nov 13 17:10:28 I think that the file you suggested is a version of that, or no? Nov 13 17:10:54 yes.. Nov 13 17:10:59 but it doesn't work Nov 13 17:11:00 mmm so it isn't Nov 13 17:11:38 Fradeve87: the adress doesn't even exist... Nov 13 17:11:57 */glic/images/fic-gta01 doesn't exist Nov 13 17:12:08 edistar: on buildhost.openmoko? Nov 13 17:12:08 only -glibc/images/neo1973 Nov 13 17:12:12 Fradeve87: exactly Nov 13 17:12:21 edistar: yess this is the problem........ Nov 13 17:13:00 now we have to find out how to change this Nov 13 17:13:01 I Nov 13 17:13:10 will take another look at download.sh Nov 13 17:13:37 edistar: this is a good idea --- I'm not so skilled to do that Nov 13 17:14:00 Fradeve87: you look too! I've barely written any scripts myself.. Nov 13 17:14:32 "Scripts" and "Fradeve" are 2 different worlds :) Nov 13 17:14:41 hehe Nov 13 17:15:38 Fradeve87: it is a bit confusing Nov 13 17:15:57 edistar: it's my impression, too Nov 13 17:16:14 now I've to go out, my girlfriend will kick me! Nov 13 17:16:43 kick her back! Nov 13 17:16:48 Fradeve87: ok, cu soon Nov 13 17:16:49 lol Nov 13 17:16:53 greet her ;) Nov 13 17:16:57 * doc|work does not advocate violence against women except in self-defense Nov 13 17:18:26 edistar: have pm ;) Nov 13 17:31:36 doc|work, I'm suing you :-p Nov 13 17:32:09 CVirus: for what? :) Nov 13 17:32:51 doc|work, kick her back! Nov 13 17:33:23 ah, you have no cause, it doesn't affect you :P Nov 13 17:35:40 * ScaredyCat puts the dishwasher on to hide the evidence that all I've done all day is eat Nov 13 17:44:54 not much going on here.. Nov 13 17:47:29 looks like the script kiddies are out ifn force today Nov 13 17:49:10 ScaredyCat: do you know how openmoko/download.sh get's it's urls? Nov 13 17:49:17 s/get's/gets Nov 13 17:52:01 echo " "Retrieving available builds list... Nov 13 17:52:01 files=`lynx -dump $download_dir | grep http | sed "s,[0-9 \t\.]*$download_dir\([a-zA-Z0-9_\.-]\)[ \t]*,\1,"` Nov 13 17:52:01 dev_files=`lynx -dump $dev_download_dir | grep http | sed "s,[0-9 \t\.]*$dev_download_dir\([a-zA-Z0-9_\.-]\)[ \t]*,\1,"` Nov 13 17:53:00 download_dir="http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/" Nov 13 17:53:01 dev_download_dir="http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/" Nov 13 17:53:13 which is in openmoko/env Nov 13 17:53:23 I can't find openmoko/env Nov 13 17:53:39 I really should properly learn how to script.. sry Nov 13 17:54:30 openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env Nov 13 17:54:35 ScaredyCat: dev_download_dir doesn't exist, do you know where I can find the uboot? Nov 13 17:54:35 ? Nov 13 17:54:47 ScaredyCat: on the server Nov 13 17:54:48 whcih u-boot do you want? Nov 13 17:55:15 when I start download.sh it tells me it can't find .../fic-gta01/.. Nov 13 17:55:17 u-boot building seems busticated... Nov 13 17:55:32 ScaredyCat: so I just download it manually? where can I download it? Nov 13 17:56:00 you want au-boot? Nov 13 17:56:04 a u-boot Nov 13 17:56:08 yes Nov 13 17:56:13 you can get one from my repo Nov 13 17:56:16 as I can't get one via download.sh Nov 13 17:56:29 http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ Nov 13 17:56:40 ok, I will :) Nov 13 17:57:28 if you're going to want to boot from sd card, then I'd suggest http://buildhost.automated.it/u-boot-good-for-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin Nov 13 17:57:31 ScaredyCat: what is the difference between your openmoko image and the official? Nov 13 17:57:42 ScaredyCat: just emulating :( Nov 13 17:57:47 there are some extras in my ones.. Nov 13 17:57:56 ScaredyCat: ah, ok :) Nov 13 17:58:10 I build stock openmoko images and also my modified ones, and qtopia ones Nov 13 17:58:32 ScaredyCat: which uboot do I need? for emulating? Nov 13 17:59:03 ScaredyCat: any idea if that can boot from SDHC? Nov 13 17:59:19 edistar: any will do Nov 13 17:59:22 about qtopia. To set the timezone is necessary linking Qtopia/etc/localtime ? Nov 13 17:59:23 ScaredyCat: ok, thx Nov 13 17:59:42 LarstiQ: I dunno, I only have the 512mb sd that came with the neo Nov 13 17:59:58 Tyrael: not in my images, mine have the timezones available Nov 13 18:00:09 plust there's an app to say where you are Nov 13 18:00:21 mmm I installed your image in sdcard Nov 13 18:00:35 how to set it? Nov 13 18:00:53 goto the dat/time app Nov 13 18:01:18 ok Nov 13 18:01:29 see where it says new york? Nov 13 18:01:32 ScaredyCat: I'll have a try then Nov 13 18:01:33 no Nov 13 18:01:41 ! Nov 13 18:01:48 I have a tab "time" with automatic -| ask Nov 13 18:01:49 1 sec Tyrael Nov 13 18:01:54 ahh ok Nov 13 18:02:01 select the ask, and turn it off Nov 13 18:02:15 now see where it says new york? Nov 13 18:02:33 yep. thanks Nov 13 18:02:34 worth a go LarstiQ Nov 13 18:02:51 click more or other off that and you get a map Nov 13 18:03:07 yes yes, I set it Nov 13 18:03:12 the ok good Nov 13 18:03:23 what about other languages? Nov 13 18:03:42 I don't have any others i my images, sorry Nov 13 18:04:29 ScaredyCat: how long does openmoko/flash.sh take? Nov 13 18:04:38 ScaredyCat: or don't you test images that way at all? Nov 13 18:04:56 ok. There is some sort of Mokomakefile for qtopia? Nov 13 18:05:35 edistar: I've never used qemu.. Nov 13 18:05:45 there's a .bb file Tyrael Nov 13 18:05:57 ScaredyCat: ok, well, you have a device ;) Nov 13 18:06:12 you just add it to your local overlay Tyrael Nov 13 18:06:25 wooooo ;-) Nov 13 18:06:32 edistar: yes, by the time I'd got it all sorted out, the device was here Nov 13 18:06:45 ScaredyCat: you work for OM, don't you? Nov 13 18:06:52 no, I don't Nov 13 18:07:27 ScaredyCat: how do I see if uboot is working? Nov 13 18:07:42 does it boot ? Nov 13 18:07:54 when you start it ? Nov 13 18:07:59 it hangs at GTA01Bv4 # setenv bootcmd ' Nov 13 18:08:08 when I run openmoko/flash.sh Nov 13 18:08:25 oooh, ok , someone else had that! Nov 13 18:08:33 that's the u-boot propmt Nov 13 18:08:37 prompt Nov 13 18:08:38 ScaredyCat: ok Nov 13 18:08:49 where is the uboot file saved? Nov 13 18:09:09 ScaredyCat: can't wait to have a gta02 -.- Nov 13 18:09:16 on a real device you only get to see that if you're at the u-boot menu, and you start a serial connecitor Nov 13 18:09:19 connection Nov 13 18:09:28 yeah, 02 looks v. nice Nov 13 18:09:35 I can't wait either Nov 13 18:09:37 either Nov 13 18:09:44 I can't type, it's too cold Nov 13 18:10:13 ScaredyCat: outside? Nov 13 18:10:42 inside Nov 13 18:11:03 I forgot to turn the heating on and the temperature has dropped... Nov 13 18:11:04 close the windows? Nov 13 18:11:10 ScaredyCat: where is uboot saved, maybe I put it at the wrong place.. Nov 13 18:11:11 takes a while for it to kick in Nov 13 18:11:33 the flsh script flashes it to the fake mtdblock iirc Nov 13 18:11:38 flash Nov 13 18:11:48 U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up. Nov 13 18:11:50 I get now Nov 13 18:12:33 seems like that's not working :/ Nov 13 18:12:53 !logs Nov 13 18:12:55 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Nov 13 18:12:56 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Nov 13 18:12:57 Live-logs are available at Nov 13 18:12:59 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Nov 13 18:13:00 ScaredyCat: compile stuff Nov 13 18:13:01 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Nov 13 18:13:15 zash: lol Nov 13 18:13:16 computer as heating ftw Nov 13 18:14:09 my laptop has just reached 101 degrees celcius Nov 13 18:14:20 pfft Nov 13 18:14:21 edistar: new all-time record? Nov 13 18:14:24 it turns off when it's 121 Nov 13 18:14:30 pH5: no, usual Nov 13 18:14:32 obviously not :) Nov 13 18:14:39 it's being doing that for about a year Nov 13 18:14:55 its fans are underneath :/ ingenious design Nov 13 18:14:58 i get worried if mine gets over about 50 Nov 13 18:15:14 http://www.automated.it/files/ohno2.png <---- Nov 13 18:15:22 then again, it's a crusoe, so it's not meant to get significantly warm Nov 13 18:15:26 how much does it take to kill the cpu? Nov 13 18:15:46 mine is an asus Nov 13 18:16:05 zash: apparently more than 121 ;) Nov 13 18:16:12 zash: a little above what that picture shows Nov 13 18:16:21 which is when that machine dies Nov 13 18:16:23 died Nov 13 18:18:17 anyone else have this problem with openmoko/flash.sh? Nov 13 18:19:57 84 degrees again :) Nov 13 18:20:48 is it possible now to compile openmoko for x86 without problems? Nov 13 18:24:52 hyy my qtopia don't power off on suspend :) Nov 13 18:24:55 edistar: can you find someone else who uses qemu and get a copy of their 'flashed' install Nov 13 18:25:01 yoyo: !!! Nov 13 18:26:40 ScaredyCat: I seen your post on trolltech Nov 13 18:26:51 ScaredyCat: how do I find them? Nov 13 18:27:33 yoyo: yes, I use the snapshots to build, not the preview tt supplied Nov 13 18:27:49 ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots/ Nov 13 18:28:16 edistar: i *think* it they might be called mtdblock1 2 3 4 etc Nov 13 18:28:23 search for them Nov 13 18:28:26 ok Nov 13 18:28:27 ScaredyCat: I sow (in pas) that Nov 13 18:29:45 China Mobile has put up a phone tower that can reach the summit of everest... Nov 13 18:32:08 SpeedEvil: what's the point? Nov 13 18:32:09 SpeedEvil, lol. link? Nov 13 18:32:23 I heard about the project. not that they finished it yet Nov 13 18:33:22 how did they test? Nov 13 18:33:37 It was reported - BBC news - that it had been done Nov 13 18:33:41 dunno Nov 13 18:34:54 live logs!? Nov 13 18:35:08 indeed :< Nov 13 18:35:25 !learn flexd The coolest flexd in the world. ofcourse. Nov 13 18:35:26 Added "flexd" to database Nov 13 18:36:49 isn't nslu2-linux.org online? Nov 13 18:38:00 !flexd Nov 13 18:38:08 ~flexd Nov 13 18:38:20 Gneegjh! Nov 13 18:38:21 !info flexd Nov 13 18:38:22 ~hello Nov 13 18:38:23 perhaps Nov 13 18:38:23 Howdy Bub Nov 13 18:38:36 !hello Nov 13 18:38:40 cdbot2: flexd? Nov 13 18:38:58 one way pipe :) Nov 13 18:39:03 €flexd? Nov 13 18:39:12 euro? Nov 13 18:39:32 strangest character that came into my mind :) Nov 13 18:39:45 who, flexd? :P Nov 13 18:39:49 :P Nov 13 18:39:54 æ Nov 13 18:40:00 ø Nov 13 18:40:00 gi-el, wow Nov 13 18:40:09 yay for screen digraphs! Nov 13 18:40:24 yeah let's try to segfault freenet! Nov 13 18:40:24 ╔╗╔═╦╗ Nov 13 18:40:24 ║╚╣║║╚╗ Nov 13 18:40:24 ╚═╩═╩═╝ Nov 13 18:40:27 :P Nov 13 18:40:28 dude Nov 13 18:40:39 ScaredyCat rul3z! Nov 13 18:40:39 don't make me whip out the unicode test file! Nov 13 18:40:41 * LarstiQ blinks Nov 13 18:40:47 lol Nov 13 18:40:54 ScaredyCat: you win ;) Nov 13 18:40:54 ¡ Nov 13 18:40:55 if i mouse over myself in the log it says "One giant muppet" :( Nov 13 18:40:58 lol Nov 13 18:40:59 ¿ Nov 13 18:41:05 lol flexd Nov 13 18:41:19 cdbot2: flexd Nov 13 18:41:25 cdbot2: help! Nov 13 18:41:30 oh bugger Nov 13 18:41:32 !learn ScaredyCat Will shake his moneymaker for a neo! Nov 13 18:41:33 i'm going to make dinner Nov 13 18:41:33 Added "scaredycat" to database Nov 13 18:41:39 * flexd goes the log Nov 13 18:42:00 wtf yours works! :( Nov 13 18:42:24 alright who told the bot lies by pm? :p Nov 13 18:42:28 how does that bot works? is there a wiki page? Nov 13 18:42:50 where are you 'mousing over' ? Nov 13 18:43:11 !info ScaredyCat Nov 13 18:43:28 ~info ScaredyCat Nov 13 18:43:41 !whois ScaredyCat Nov 13 18:43:43 !info ScaredyCat Nov 13 18:43:48 !list Nov 13 18:43:51 dunno, it seems to remember stuff but nevr tell you Nov 13 18:43:51 :) Nov 13 18:43:58 thats fun Nov 13 18:44:00 like google ;) Nov 13 18:44:06 !google ScaredyCat Nov 13 18:44:07 Did you mean: Scaredy Cat ? | Fleetway St - Scaredy Cat @ http://www.toonhound.com/scaredycat.htm%20class=l | Let's Sweat the Small Stuff @ http://members.tripod.com/~scaredy_kat/%20class=l Nov 13 18:44:13 !!1 Nov 13 18:44:27 neither of those are me! Nov 13 18:44:31 hehe Nov 13 18:44:39 !google giel Nov 13 18:44:40 Home: GIEL @ http://giel.vara.nl/%20class=l | MySpace.com - GIEL - MIAMI, Florida - @ http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=22165801%20class=l | Giel Vleggaar - News @ http://www.gielvleggaar.com/%20class=l Nov 13 18:44:47 * doc|work nods Nov 13 18:44:48 nope, not me Nov 13 18:45:04 !!!!! Nov 13 18:45:08 >:D Nov 13 18:45:27 !google giel linux Nov 13 18:45:28 LKML: Giel de Nijs: [patch 2/2] input: @ http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/11/341%20class=l | 2005 Linux Symposium -- @ http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2005/view_bio.php?id=947%20class=l | Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [PATCH] inpu @ http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0706.1/1800.html%20class=l Nov 13 18:45:31 there you go Nov 13 18:45:41 those are me :) Nov 13 18:45:53 gi-el: dutch? Nov 13 18:45:55 yeah, but we lost interest now ;) Nov 13 18:45:59 ScaredyCat: :( Nov 13 18:46:03 :P Nov 13 18:46:10 i suck :( Nov 13 18:46:13 !google openmoko android Nov 13 18:46:14 takezero - mobile phone news source O @ http://takezero.net/category/openmoko%20class=l | Jaiku | maemo, OpenMoko, Android, U @ http://mvo.jaiku.com/presence/16814199%20class=l | OpenMoko and Android race to Mobile @ http://mobilemoko.net/2007/openmoko-and-googles-android-race-to-mobile-20-version-01/%20class=l Nov 13 18:46:18 * doc|work spits Nov 13 18:46:27 oh. dinner. bye. Nov 13 18:46:34 interesting... Nov 13 18:46:35 android - what openmoko would hate to be! Nov 13 18:46:36 !google automated.it Nov 13 18:46:36 automated.it @ http://www.automated.it/%20class=l | Managing the Data Center with Automated @ http://www.itbusinessedge.com/item/?ci=31290%20class=l | Opsware Announces 'Enabling Automated I @ http://www.gridtoday.com/grid/537063.html%20class=l Nov 13 18:46:49 ppgg Nov 13 18:46:56 ScaredyCat, why did you choose a .it domain? Nov 13 18:47:30 "automated it"? Nov 13 18:47:36 perhaps Nov 13 18:47:37 because, originally it was my home automation site... so I could use .. I automated.it Nov 13 18:47:38 :S Nov 13 18:47:58 I'll get me coat Nov 13 18:48:23 yeah, what doc|work (ppftt work) said Nov 13 18:48:48 :) Nov 13 18:48:58 pfft work indeed! Nov 13 18:49:03 when I first saw it I though you were from italy Nov 13 18:49:08 ScaredyCat: I got an n800, hope you're happy :( Nov 13 18:49:12 Ghiottone: where in italy? Nov 13 18:49:22 cool doc|work - like it ? Nov 13 18:49:32 doc|home, uh? where do I live? Nov 13 18:49:36 play.com have them at 150 (gbp) Nov 13 18:49:47 ScaredyCat: just won an ebay auction this morning, waiting for it to be delivered. Got it for 242USD + delivery Nov 13 18:49:55 sweet :D Nov 13 18:50:03 which is about 20-30 less than retail, not bad Nov 13 18:50:04 they're crap btw... :P Nov 13 18:50:08 send it to me ;) Nov 13 18:50:11 xD Nov 13 18:50:24 well, I preferred the look of the n770 but the n800 seemingly is noticeably faster, so it wins :/ Nov 13 18:50:47 yeah, the 770 looks better imho, but I'd go for the speed any day Nov 13 18:50:57 ScaredyCat, does it mean we'll not see you around this often? :P Nov 13 18:51:03 oh, and the n770 has a solid plate in front of the screen, which would have been nice Nov 13 18:51:29 you mean the case doc|work ? Nov 13 18:51:37 i just have a question... what happen if the phone is plugged in usb without a battery ? Nov 13 18:51:39 Ghiottone: I'm omni present ;) Nov 13 18:51:54 Die_: don;t do that Nov 13 18:51:59 Ghiottone: yep, where do you live, sorry Nov 13 18:52:04 i did it a few weeks ago by mistake Nov 13 18:52:09 doc|home, Pisa Nov 13 18:52:10 it made a little whine Nov 13 18:52:13 it'll make a funny noise if you are lucky, and kill it if you are unlucky Nov 13 18:52:16 Ghiottone: I used to live in torino. Nice city. Pretty girls, nice pizza :) Nov 13 18:52:18 and i thought it was bad so i stopped Nov 13 18:52:23 good Nov 13 18:52:33 it could be the cause of my problem? Nov 13 18:52:36 it's not designed for connection wihtout a battery Nov 13 18:52:41 cause after it was still working Nov 13 18:52:43 * doc|work misses the pizza, vancouver has pretty girls in a different way :) Nov 13 18:52:49 what's the problemn? Nov 13 18:52:51 doc|work, yeah, I've been told that it is a pretty good city to live in Nov 13 18:52:56 it's only since the last time i drained the battery fully that itsnot going anymore Nov 13 18:53:00 doc|work, :) Nov 13 18:53:04 well the phoner isn't powering up Nov 13 18:53:29 yeah, if the battery is fully flat, you need to charge it for a few housers before powering up Nov 13 18:53:31 i'm keeping it without battery right now to drain any remaining juice in the hardware Nov 13 18:53:37 housers? Nov 13 18:53:38 hours Nov 13 18:53:43 but even after a day of charge it won't power up Nov 13 18:53:50 mmm... Nov 13 18:53:58 so i killed the charger? Nov 13 18:54:01 -_- Nov 13 18:54:08 odd.. Nov 13 18:54:23 i'm wrapping my head around this and i can't find why it refuse to power unless i did something bad Nov 13 18:54:51 and it's the only mistake i could have done Nov 13 18:55:16 battery is full? Nov 13 18:55:22 you've taken the battery out for a while ? Nov 13 18:55:27 i have no way to test it Nov 13 18:55:29 8 hours Nov 13 18:55:40 yes i left it since several hours out of the unit now Nov 13 18:55:52 Die_: you don't have a voltmeter? take your tongue ;) Nov 13 18:55:57 oh Nov 13 18:56:02 wich pins ? Nov 13 18:56:05 ScaredyCat: yep, there's only a leather/soft plastic case for the n800, tight bastards :| Nov 13 18:56:39 Die_: test it, I don't have a device Nov 13 18:56:48 by the taste i would say the battery is flat Nov 13 18:56:53 doc|work: eeeewwww Nov 13 18:57:01 yeah :/ Nov 13 18:57:22 so i blew up the charging part or something? Nov 13 18:57:43 have you tried a different battery Die_? Nov 13 18:57:50 i don't have any other Nov 13 18:58:01 Die_: but why would your battery be broken Nov 13 18:58:22 edistar: not the battery, the charging part of the phone Nov 13 18:58:37 Die_: yes.. build your own charger maybe? Nov 13 18:58:46 ek -_- Nov 13 18:58:56 which battery is it by the way, I heard it was compatible with a nokia akku? Nov 13 18:58:56 woot Nov 13 18:59:11 a local dev is doing a talk at our lug on working with openmoko Nov 13 18:59:11 my brother has a treo Nov 13 18:59:12 sweet Nov 13 18:59:28 and i looked for the battery of his old phone it has only 2 pins Nov 13 19:00:03 Die_: well, if it has the same specs, why not try to attach it? Nov 13 19:00:17 any occurence of someone else that has battery that doesn't charge? Nov 13 19:00:38 or rather a phone that doesn't charge the battery Nov 13 19:00:50 hehe Nov 13 19:00:57 that suck if you consider how much import tax we pay in france for a neo -_- Nov 13 19:01:48 Die_: well.. just buy a cheap external battery charger, it's the same for nokia Nov 13 19:02:15 yeah but with the autonomy of the neo that's gonna be fun to devel -_- Nov 13 19:02:30 Die_: better than a new neo, right? :P Nov 13 19:02:59 Die_: I mean, if you want to sell your broken neo to me for 100 euro? Nov 13 19:03:01 :P Nov 13 19:03:20 i wonder, how good of a phone is it if it needs to be off for charging Nov 13 19:03:44 Die_: the gta-02 won't need to be off Nov 13 19:04:06 OHO Nov 13 19:04:17 that little bastard just booted O_o Nov 13 19:04:40 well it is trying Nov 13 19:04:58 can a cable be not good enough to charge the neo? Nov 13 19:04:59 well.. good luck.. thats because the contacts are a bit moist from your tongue ;) Nov 13 19:05:14 Die_: try a different usb cabl Nov 13 19:05:15 ee Nov 13 19:05:22 yeah that's what i just did Nov 13 19:05:48 btw any ETA for the stable software release? Nov 13 19:05:58 as in table & functional Nov 13 19:06:00 stable Nov 13 19:06:25 just that i looks like a fool at home with the only phone of the world that does not pass calls yet Nov 13 19:06:45 Die_: phoning works! Nov 13 19:06:46 That's called RETRO Nov 13 19:07:02 itsnot criticizm just curious Nov 13 19:07:22 Die_: well... most important is the hardware release Nov 13 19:07:29 i have this weird bug, when i use the task killer thing Nov 13 19:07:47 if i kill a program sometimes it will kill "today" too Nov 13 19:08:15 edistar: hardware release? Nov 13 19:08:29 Die_: gta-02 Nov 13 19:08:36 i should have waited? Nov 13 19:08:47 Die_: yes, maybe Nov 13 19:08:55 Die_: gta-02 has wifi Nov 13 19:09:06 bah my lappy has wifi already Nov 13 19:09:36 Die_: do you carry it around all the time? Nov 13 19:09:41 any chance gta 01 get smaller battery consumption? Nov 13 19:09:43 also it has gps, with a driver I hope ;) Nov 13 19:09:50 edistar: when i happen to move yes Nov 13 19:10:12 Die_: a small chance, but I think power management is the same? hello OM people, please answer :) Nov 13 19:10:18 Die_: ok Nov 13 19:10:45 also that's me or the lock function crash the phone? Nov 13 19:10:59 C77777777777777777777777 Nov 13 19:11:06 C7: how are things? Nov 13 19:11:23 maybe i'm saying the obvious or it got patched, i need to ipkg anyway Nov 13 19:12:04 Anyway, a big thank you to those that helped me to sort this battery quirk Nov 13 19:12:27 that's really cool :) Nov 13 19:13:17 you can get a neo battery for 10 euro, 1Ah Nov 13 19:13:19 I think I Nov 13 19:13:42 I think I'll get several so I can do loads of stuff without charging ;) Nov 13 19:14:35 hehe Nov 13 19:15:29 hmm Nov 13 19:15:39 so, according to http://cia.vc/stats/project/openmoko, the commits still get reported Nov 13 19:15:49 but not relayed to this channel Nov 13 19:15:50 hmm Nov 13 19:17:05 btw, how is bt going on the neo? Nov 13 19:17:36 bluetooth? Nov 13 19:17:46 yeah Nov 13 19:18:03 well, the stack is fully there. just no UI support yet Nov 13 19:18:16 okey, so OBEX server works? Nov 13 19:18:33 i would think so, once installed and configured for the neo Nov 13 19:18:37 mickeyl: ok :) Nov 13 19:19:01 so what is there still to be done mainly? dialer works, doesn Nov 13 19:19:04 't it? Nov 13 19:19:13 wifi too? Nov 13 19:19:25 well Nov 13 19:19:29 you have to distinguish layers Nov 13 19:19:35 kernel layer needs wifi drivers for gta02 Nov 13 19:19:39 and glamo accel Nov 13 19:19:41 ok Nov 13 19:19:59 system layer needs more dbus integration for PM and gsm Nov 13 19:20:05 ok Nov 13 19:20:26 application layer needs a lot. basic PIM is there, missing SMS, BT support, GPS support, etc. etc. Nov 13 19:20:29 mickeyl: when do you think OM will be stable and fully take advantage of the neo, half a year? Nov 13 19:21:46 hard to say. that depends a lot on how much resources are getting spent on what. if gta02 sells well, then we might have lots of contributors and might have the smartphone stack in a reasonable state in 6 months Nov 13 19:22:30 because otherwise the phone will be outdated when it reaches end-users Nov 13 19:23:07 http://micromerdasoft.altervista.org/ Nov 13 19:23:14 those aren't going to be working for gta02 release? Nov 13 19:24:03 is there an emulator? Nov 13 19:24:15 Drakeson: for openmoko? Nov 13 19:24:25 Drakeson: yup, information about it is on the wiki. Nov 13 19:24:31 yes. do you use qemu? Nov 13 19:24:33 thanks Nov 13 19:25:53 umm, isn't the wiki a bit disorganized? Nov 13 19:26:25 I want to write a Python based application for the OpenMoko ... is pybluez ported to the OpenMoko ? Nov 13 19:26:48 yes, the wiki is a bit disorganized Nov 13 19:26:49 CVirus: what do you think needs porting? Nov 13 19:26:57 this is what happens when lots of people are contributing Nov 13 19:26:59 zecke, I dunno .. I'm not a developer in the first place Nov 13 19:27:05 zecke, I know a bit of python that's all Nov 13 19:27:23 mickeyl: you lack "wiki gardeners" Nov 13 19:27:26 Drakeson: there are several ways, the easiest is to download the makefile and then to 'make qemu' Nov 13 19:27:33 Drakeson: it will do everything automatically Nov 13 19:27:34 CVirus: no porting needed afaik, it's linux! Nov 13 19:27:36 edistar: thanks Nov 13 19:27:50 flexd, cool .. thanks Nov 13 19:28:44 Drakeson: yep. we lack a lot of resources. Nov 13 19:28:49 roh is working on cleaning up Nov 13 19:29:05 CVirus: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=python-pybluez Nov 13 19:29:19 Does anybody have picture of gta02v4? Nov 13 19:29:27 what does it look like? Nov 13 19:30:07 rabid: much the same as the gta01 Nov 13 19:30:20 one less speaker internally Nov 13 19:30:21 CIA-13: ? Nov 13 19:30:28 alrighty :) Nov 13 19:30:41 slightly different case texture Nov 13 19:30:46 and color Nov 13 19:30:51 cool Nov 13 19:30:54 not finalized yet though Nov 13 19:31:01 ~curse CIA-13 for not reporting Nov 13 19:31:02 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, CIA-13 for not reporting ! Nov 13 19:31:49 you use monotone? Nov 13 19:33:21 not for this project Nov 13 19:33:32 svn here Nov 13 19:34:33 ok, reported on #cia Nov 13 19:34:37 obviously it's not just us Nov 13 19:35:04 is this dead? http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile Nov 13 19:35:16 Drakeson: it seems to be dead, yes Nov 13 19:35:18 the other link too Nov 13 19:36:21 is this Makefile in any official repository? Nov 13 19:36:36 iirc on projects.openmoko.org Nov 13 19:36:36 Drakeson: no, you are supposed to download it at that link Nov 13 19:38:48 so, where can I get it then? Nov 13 19:39:50 I must go sii ja Nov 13 19:40:42 mickeyl: rwhitby suggested I talk to you about getting my blog on planet.. he seemed to like it :P Nov 13 19:41:00 let me see Nov 13 19:41:05 got an URL? Nov 13 19:41:46 http://www.files.to/get/100647/906mfca407 Nov 13 19:41:47 http://www.files.to/get/100647/906mfca407 Nov 13 19:42:01 sry, for double post, my middle mouse button doesn't work :( Nov 13 19:42:05 Drakeson: that's the link Nov 13 19:42:28 Drakeson: _a_ link, I just uploaded it.. Nov 13 19:42:42 Drakeson: until the other links work again Nov 13 19:43:05 edistar: thanks a lot Nov 13 19:43:25 Drakeson: hope it works, the downloading Nov 13 19:43:39 mickeyl: http://blog.automated.it Nov 13 19:43:49 yo Nov 13 19:45:06 edistar: umm, it wants to svn co from the nslu2-linux.org, which seems to be the same place where the broken link was. Nov 13 19:45:08 ScaredyCat: my somewhat lengthy session getting my neo back to life is currently on track again. Nov 13 19:45:15 here i go through the openocd loopy loo .. Nov 13 19:45:20 working though ? Nov 13 19:45:29 nope Nov 13 19:45:30 not yet Nov 13 19:45:32 :/ Nov 13 19:45:34 just got plugged in and set up Nov 13 19:45:37 Drakeson: nslu2-linux.org seems to be down Nov 13 19:45:42 waiting for the batteries to warm up/charge.. which i hope they are doing . Nov 13 19:46:10 rwhitby: could it be that nslu2-linux.org is down? Nov 13 19:46:46 ScaredyCat: we need an RSS feed tag to add a blog to the planet Nov 13 19:47:26 it's at the top Nov 13 19:47:36 are you looking in firefox? Nov 13 19:47:42 ya Nov 13 19:47:58 in the address bar, far right Nov 13 19:48:22 ah right Nov 13 19:48:26 ok, I'll tell the admin Nov 13 19:49:47 ta Nov 13 19:49:48 :) Nov 13 19:50:17 ScaredyCat: what do you like more, qtopia or OM? what has more potential? Nov 13 19:50:44 heh Nov 13 19:50:46 * mickeyl chuckles Nov 13 19:50:57 that's an evil question isn't it Nov 13 19:51:01 hehe Nov 13 19:51:05 ScaredyCat: be honest :P Nov 13 19:51:11 OM has more potential... Nov 13 19:51:20 because qtopia is more complete. Nov 13 19:51:25 hahaha Nov 13 19:51:31 very diplomatic Nov 13 19:51:35 yes Nov 13 19:51:44 we have more of an option to influence the creation of om than qtopia Nov 13 19:51:45 now comparing to android :D Nov 13 19:51:51 * doc|work spits Nov 13 19:51:54 (just kidding) Nov 13 19:52:08 android is closed source. Nov 13 19:52:16 it's not in the running Nov 13 19:52:18 very nearly, yes Nov 13 19:52:51 I believe they intend to make it open-source but cannot cope with the wolvish industry they are dealing with Nov 13 19:53:08 yo Nov 13 19:53:17 Drakeson: I don Nov 13 19:53:19 intent isn't enough Drakeson.. Nov 13 19:53:29 yes, that's why I landed here. Nov 13 19:53:31 I don't believe the want to, what would be the reason for them? Nov 13 19:54:14 there are loads of free software programmers even for win, there are enough for android even when it's not OSS Nov 13 19:54:38 there's not hella lot free symbian software Nov 13 19:54:43 so i'm not sure about that Nov 13 19:55:02 buz: google is making a big fuss about android... more than symbian does(and can) Nov 13 19:55:23 nokia could make a giant fuss about s60 if they cared Nov 13 19:55:23 The reason for google is obvious. They will have a hard time if the mobile platforms are also under the monopoly of "microsoft and partners". Nov 13 19:55:59 Drakeson: then they could have supported openmoko, would be much friendlier anyway :P Nov 13 19:56:10 what does GTA stand for ? Nov 13 19:56:23 i'm thinking they probably were along quite a bit when openmoko hit the scene Nov 13 19:56:33 buz: yes Nov 13 19:56:42 the techdemos dont look like they started last month, really Nov 13 19:56:49 Google's Terrible Android [concept is flawed] Nov 13 19:56:52 01 Nov 13 19:56:59 but, that's not the reason they haven't supported OM (yet) Nov 13 19:57:08 LOL @ ScaredyCat Nov 13 19:57:09 good one Nov 13 19:57:14 google are control freaks Nov 13 19:58:03 CVirus: Grand Theft Auto? heh. no idea really. Nov 13 19:58:20 great times ahead Nov 13 19:58:22 what is this? #android-haters? :) Nov 13 19:58:36 don-o: yeah Nov 13 19:58:36 comes with the territory Nov 13 19:58:37 they are doing their best to de-monopolize the mobile platform. Nov 13 19:58:48 Drakeson: openmoko is too :) Nov 13 19:58:56 Drakeson: it was never monopolized Nov 13 19:59:02 fic are doing a better job at it Drakeson Nov 13 19:59:06 oligopolized, yes, but far from monopolized Nov 13 19:59:07 they don't actually care about controling the mobile platform, I believe Nov 13 19:59:22 and that's why I think they will support OM at some point Nov 13 19:59:31 they don't, they care about MS not controlling it Nov 13 19:59:46 neo may well be the first shipping hardware to run android Nov 13 19:59:51 they just cannot talk to their corporate partners about GPL'ing the platform Nov 13 20:00:04 buz: I'd hate for that to be a selling point Nov 13 20:00:09 Drakeson: why would they want GPL? Nov 13 20:00:21 whatever happened to savaje on neo, btw Nov 13 20:00:24 doc|work: but that way OM could invest money again Nov 13 20:00:33 buz: openmoko isn't about tying people to a vm, which is what android seems to be Nov 13 20:00:43 i'm not yet sure whether you are tied to the vm Nov 13 20:00:44 edistar: how so? Nov 13 20:01:04 they explicitely link to C code in any case Nov 13 20:01:20 whether normal people will be allowed to run C code is another question, of course Nov 13 20:01:24 right Nov 13 20:01:38 they provide server-side services. they provide competitive/innovative services, and they want to be hindered by device manufactures forming partenerships with e.g. microsoft Nov 13 20:01:40 doc|work: if they make money that way.. Nov 13 20:01:50 edistar: how will they? openmoko != fic Nov 13 20:02:07 doc|work: I thought a sub-company was set up called OpenMoko Nov 13 20:02:14 fic might make some money, which they may put into openmoko, but that's not quite the same Nov 13 20:02:36 http://cvirus.net/?p=74 Nov 13 20:03:01 s/want to/don't want to Nov 13 20:03:02 CVirus: hahaha, a little short on details perhaps? :) Nov 13 20:03:34 doc|work, will write my humble opinion as soon as I'm finished with tomorrow's phyiscs quiz :-D Nov 13 20:03:42 hehe Nov 13 20:05:37 Does anyone have iptables ipkg? Nov 13 20:06:24 CVirus: good luck Nov 13 20:06:48 I guess they will keep people tied to the vm for as long as the concept (of having an [almost] open platform) needs to be spread. Then they will relax on it. Nov 13 20:07:22 lukaszb: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=iptables? Nov 13 20:07:34 Drakeson: you are really an optimist Nov 13 20:08:31 zecke: thanks Nov 13 20:08:42 not that much. I think staying in the battlefield^Wmobile-industry will cost them too much Nov 13 20:09:15 hehe Nov 13 20:11:53 lukaszb: the armv5t package should be compatible with OM Nov 13 20:12:47 just thinking about how microsoft adds a search edit box to IE7 which defaults to microsoft live search should make them shiver. In a mobile platform, where users are less likely to _install firefox_ (or do similar things) on their own, having that monopoly is even more horrible. Nov 13 20:13:32 then everyone would rail on microsoft Nov 13 20:13:37 Drakeson: it's true but the way WM6 is, microsoft won't get any monopoly Nov 13 20:13:51 yes, but they might try Nov 13 20:14:28 so that's why more androids, OMs, maemos, ... are good for google Nov 13 20:14:55 hmmm.. iptables fails mysteriously... is anyone successfull using it? Nov 13 20:14:59 Drakeson: true Nov 13 20:15:26 has e17 landed yet? Nov 13 20:15:56 Drakeson: in OM? Nov 13 20:15:59 yes Nov 13 20:16:13 anyone in here got the debug board and know how to use it? Nov 13 20:16:13 not the whole e17 of course ;) Nov 13 20:16:15 Drakeson: yes, it was ported Nov 13 20:16:21 Drakeson: it's on youtube Nov 13 20:16:35 Drakeson: the whole E17;) Nov 13 20:16:46 * Drakeson beats himself for not knowing this Nov 13 20:16:57 Drakeson: hasn't been long Nov 13 20:17:24 OM sounds like _the dream platform_ ... Nov 13 20:17:30 * doc|work is using e17 Nov 13 20:17:36 Drakeson: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vbqx_HdLs-k\ Nov 13 20:17:46 Drakeson: without \ Nov 13 20:17:56 * Drakeson has been using e17 on his desktop for long now Nov 13 20:18:30 I was just trying to get my crashed openmoko to work with the debug board Nov 13 20:18:38 all I got was : Nov 13 20:18:38 me too Nov 13 20:18:41 Error: jtag.c:1346 jtag_validate_chain(): Error validating JTAG scan chain, IR mismatch, scan returned 0x00 Nov 13 20:18:50 while trying to connect it with openocd Nov 13 20:18:53 * edistar has tested e17 on the notebook but has decided that fluxbox was all he needed Nov 13 20:18:58 can anyone give me some help? Nov 13 20:19:08 me too Nov 13 20:19:54 torpor: same problem? Nov 13 20:19:58 yup Nov 13 20:20:06 exactly Nov 13 20:20:15 only problem is i'm not sure if its the software or the hardware.. Nov 13 20:20:23 i've used jtag before, but not openocd Nov 13 20:21:46 Hello all Nov 13 20:22:04 homyx: hi Nov 13 20:22:45 hi edistar Nov 13 20:23:13 I need some help with unbricking my neo. Somebody here you can help me? Nov 13 20:23:51 homyx: its an unbrick party, wtf? Nov 13 20:23:58 there are 3 of us now. Nov 13 20:24:05 whats your status? Nov 13 20:24:31 a copy an paste error resulted in a: nand erase Nov 13 20:24:43 ouch Nov 13 20:24:43 ouch Nov 13 20:24:55 yaeah I know Nov 13 20:24:57 i tried to revert to an ancient uboot to get root-on-sd working, and now my neo wont boot. Nov 13 20:25:16 sitting here with the debug board trying to bring it back to life, but jtag is no go here (openocd) Nov 13 20:25:33 exactly with me Nov 13 20:25:58 torpor: can you switch on your phone? Nov 13 20:26:02 homyx: nope. Nov 13 20:26:07 its blank. brick. Nov 13 20:26:13 one (noob) question: can you only change uboot with JTAG? Nov 13 20:26:21 afaik, yes Nov 13 20:26:31 no you can change uboot with normal dfuutil, but if you screw it up, you need jtag to fix it. Nov 13 20:26:41 well you can flash uboot w/o a debug board Nov 13 20:27:04 torpor: is it easy to screw up? Nov 13 20:27:15 otherwise I'll need to buy the dev kit ;) Nov 13 20:27:34 don not copy and paste in cu ? was my error :( Nov 13 20:28:08 torpor: do you have a debug board? Nov 13 20:28:15 yes Nov 13 20:28:20 edistar: yes it is easy to screw up. Nov 13 20:28:29 do not put a non-working uboot on your phone. you will need debug board Nov 13 20:28:39 torpor: ah, ok Nov 13 20:28:40 thx Nov 13 20:29:01 i have the debug board, but the debug board is the lamest debug board on the planet. the whole thing is rendered completely invalid by a *godawful* ribbon/connector rig. plastic junk broke straight away. Nov 13 20:29:02 test any u-boot image in qemu before flashing to real Neo Nov 13 20:29:29 balrog-kun: nice hint Nov 13 20:29:30 balrog-kun: sage advice. Nov 13 20:29:31 balrog-kun: good idea Nov 13 20:29:34 too late. Nov 13 20:29:38 heh Nov 13 20:29:39 late advice is shit advice. Nov 13 20:29:39 :) Nov 13 20:29:54 torpor: do you have a connection established? Nov 13 20:30:03 homyx: no, i get the same error as above Nov 13 20:30:21 21:18 < horvatj> Error: jtag.c:1346 jtag_validate_chain(): Error validating JTAG scan chain, IR mismatch, scan Nov 13 20:30:22 torpor: any ideas? Nov 13 20:30:28 returned 0x00 Nov 13 20:30:38 homyx: do you get any jtag connectivity? Nov 13 20:30:43 what is your openocd.cfg file? Nov 13 20:32:15 my config file is here: http://rafb.net/p/C1nEGU39.html Nov 13 20:32:37 torpor: I took the file from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenOCD#OpenOCD_and_Debug_Board Nov 13 20:32:49 but not the one for v0e3 Nov 13 20:32:57 v03 Nov 13 20:34:29 horvatj: how to put the file online? Nov 13 20:35:46 i'm gonna try this: Nov 13 20:35:46 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_0#Restoring_original_Software_Image Nov 13 20:35:50 homyx: use rafb.net/paste Nov 13 20:37:04 horvatj: ok thanks, http://rafb.net/p/xWs0Do36.html that is my file Nov 13 20:37:57 I tried to follow: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_re-flashing_the_bootloader Nov 13 20:40:04 community update by Michael :) Nov 13 20:40:32 has anyone gotten OM working on the n800? :o Nov 13 20:40:56 doc|work: that would be much too good :P Nov 13 20:41:10 hehehe Nov 13 20:41:21 it would indeed rock Nov 13 20:42:38 or for the 770 Nov 13 20:42:41 :P Nov 13 20:42:50 edistar: linkage Nov 13 20:42:53 openmoko stack for maemo, why not? Nov 13 20:43:02 flexd: what do you mean? Nov 13 20:43:16 Community update by michael? Nov 13 20:43:17 link? :/ Nov 13 20:43:29 flexd: oh, check your mail! Nov 13 20:43:56 i have no mails :( Nov 13 20:44:21 sure? have you subscribed to community? Nov 13 20:44:43 pretty sure :/ Nov 13 20:44:59 oh, ok Nov 13 20:45:09 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011658.html Nov 13 20:45:54 community update ^^^ Nov 13 20:46:46 thats the one Nov 13 20:47:20 woo Nov 13 20:47:37 meanwhile, what other phone should i get to run openmoko on? Nov 13 20:47:52 torpor: samsung f700, please ;) Nov 13 20:48:08 se w810i :< Nov 13 20:48:14 without touchscreen :( Nov 13 20:48:22 homyx: Thanks Nov 13 20:50:26 horvatj: torpor: Do we have to switch on the phone for debugging? Nov 13 20:50:46 the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_re-flashing_the_bootloader Nov 13 20:50:51 tells me about it Nov 13 20:51:10 but I'm not able to. Nov 13 20:52:51 me either Nov 13 20:53:40 community update still disappointing, but looks like pregress is being made Nov 13 20:53:59 yes, I had expected some news about gta-02 ;) Nov 13 20:57:21 so much for ti not causing problems Nov 13 20:57:30 ti is why the free release of the neuros codebase never really went anywhere Nov 13 20:58:00 hehe Nov 13 20:58:08 "want to know what the opcodes for our dsp are? Give up $600. Want a working compiler? $10k kthxbye. Oh btw that is for the evaluation version and you can't actually distribuyte binaries until you give up $100k more" Nov 13 20:59:03 I wonder if motorola is that evil too Nov 13 20:59:33 you guys realize that its the NSA causing these chip issues, right? Nov 13 20:59:53 companies cannot get gov't defense contracts for chips unless they have restrictive licensing practices well and truly entrenched. Nov 13 20:59:55 motorola is evil Nov 13 21:00:11 there are technology-release programs tying up motorola and TI, and it has been that way for years. Nov 13 21:00:51 I tought motorola is more in china then in usa Nov 13 21:01:20 wonder why china didnt bye motorola with it over 1 billion play dollars Nov 13 21:01:26 torpor: still the fault of the company (tra la la confucianist ethics ... terrible licenses evil so they need to just not take those contracts) Nov 13 21:04:07 torpor: I found the following: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-uboot/2007-August/000098.html Nov 13 21:04:24 torpor: but no real solution Nov 13 21:04:32 right Nov 13 21:04:34 damn. Nov 13 21:04:50 u_l-lap: its all about the warriors. get rid of them and we can play with as much technology as we want.. Nov 13 21:07:09 torpor: do you see the display lights up after the command openocd? Nov 13 21:07:13 good night, cu around Nov 13 21:07:36 homyx: nope. Nov 13 21:07:44 edistar: gn8 Nov 13 21:07:53 nothing happens on the neo, openocd reports JTAG 0x00 failure to connect. Nov 13 21:08:22 torpor: I saw it twice Nov 13 21:08:25 ok Nov 13 21:08:26 dunno why Nov 13 21:08:32 we need to talk to someone who has done it .. Nov 13 21:09:41 torpor: I guess "Kyle Bassett" has done it :) Nov 13 21:19:45 homyx: we don't know that Nov 13 21:19:49 unless you know something? Nov 13 21:21:03 torpor: no also not. But maybe I can ask? Nov 13 21:21:13 yeah might help Nov 13 21:24:34 i think rwhitby might have unbricked a neo Nov 13 21:25:24 ScaredyCat: thanks i'll check with him Nov 13 21:25:27 !seen rwhitby Nov 13 21:25:28 torpor, rwhitby is right here! Nov 13 21:25:34 rwhitby: you're right here! Nov 13 21:25:46 he's in australia, so might be sleeping Nov 13 21:25:50 lol torarne Nov 13 21:25:58 torpor* Nov 13 21:26:04 i wonder if there is some trick to resetting the CPU on the phone so that jtag will work. Nov 13 21:26:06 plus, he's 40 now... so needs his sleep Nov 13 21:26:10 ScaredyCat: yeah thans Nov 13 21:26:10 like is there a test point or something. Nov 13 21:26:20 damnit i'm almost 40 too, so i need my sleep too. Nov 13 21:26:21 ^^thanks Nov 13 21:29:15 have you tried this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sjf2410-linux ? Nov 13 21:30:18 ScardyCat: not yet, I'll have a look Nov 13 21:34:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:BBlack Nov 13 21:34:42 might b of use too Nov 13 21:35:49 question: how to access eds with python? Nov 13 21:37:20 ScaredyCat: Thanks, I found that page already :) Nov 13 21:38:24 ScaredyCat: my problem is the wiki tells me about switch the phone on, which does not work http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_re-flashing_the_bootloader Nov 13 21:39:00 ScaredyCat: I also tried a fully charged BL-5C ... Nov 13 21:39:43 are you sure that it's not powering up and that the screen isn't just off Nov 13 21:40:39 ScaredyCat: nice question ?! but openocd tells me, that the debug board is there without a connection to neo Nov 13 21:41:17 likewise Nov 13 21:41:54 ScaredyCat: How can I ensure that the neo is on/off? using a multimeter? Nov 13 21:42:56 yeah Nov 13 21:43:01 we need to talk to rwhitby Nov 13 21:43:06 i think he is the jtag expert Nov 13 21:43:43 ScaredyCat: we also found this link: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-uboot/2007-August/000098.html but no solution is given Nov 13 21:44:27 ScaredyCat: I try to let my neo battery charge. It's possible that it is empty Nov 13 21:49:34 ScaredyCat: my multimeter tells me about 3.5V. Not sure if it is empty (can hold that value by switching the phone on) Nov 13 21:53:56 <_diego_> 3.5V is quite low, but should be enough to boot Nov 13 21:55:11 _diego_: probably yes... Nov 13 22:04:21 homyx, I made some tests concerning battery voltage http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/battvolt2.png Nov 13 22:04:44 homyx, as you can see 3,5V is nearly empty Nov 13 22:05:47 josch: nice thanks Nov 13 22:05:59 np Nov 13 22:06:31 the only problem was that I couldn't use my neo while doing this benchmark :-P Nov 13 22:06:34 josch: do you know s.th. about the BL-5C also? Nov 13 22:06:43 homyx, yeah of course Nov 13 22:06:47 wht do you want to know Nov 13 22:07:10 josch: I've a fully charged battery here and the neo also does not come up Nov 13 22:07:43 homyx, this is strange Nov 13 22:08:16 I tried with BL-5C, BL-6C (the neo battery really is a BL-6C) and 3rd party BL-5C Nov 13 22:08:19 josch: I know, one note - I did a "nand erase" Nov 13 22:08:26 everything worked except charging in the neo Nov 13 22:08:26 Oh dear Nov 13 22:08:31 that bricks the device Nov 13 22:08:34 homyx, -_- Nov 13 22:08:39 poor dude Nov 13 22:08:52 you need a debug board Nov 13 22:09:00 josch: that is what I read in the lists (does not charge but should work) Nov 13 22:09:01 or to send it to someone with a debug board Nov 13 22:09:05 AIUI Nov 13 22:09:16 I have a debug board right here Nov 13 22:09:16 I cite the wiki "make sure that you are *not* issuing a plain "nand erase" command - always make sure you tell it which partition to erase. If you forget this you'll brick the Neo and you'll need a debug board to recover it." Nov 13 22:09:27 whoops Nov 13 22:09:28 homyx, then you are lucky and have to recover it Nov 13 22:09:32 homyx: 10 minute job to debrick with debug board Nov 13 22:09:58 it was a copy and paste error without being able to say "no" Nov 13 22:10:04 homyx, what list do you mean Nov 13 22:10:18 XorA: I can not get a connection established Nov 13 22:10:43 The debug board is recognised Nov 13 22:10:47 homyx: you need to hit reset, run openocd, hit reset, run openocd, it will eventually connect Nov 13 22:10:52 but I get a connection error Nov 13 22:11:11 rwhitby is 40? wow, that's OLD. Nov 13 22:11:12 XorA: Thanks I will try Nov 13 22:11:56 kle: one way that occurs. Add ulimits to the inkscape call, configured by the user Nov 13 22:11:58 oosp Nov 13 22:12:13 SpeedEvil, ^^ Nov 13 22:12:21 tbh, nand erase without a param should just tell you to knob off Nov 13 22:12:41 I know, was c&p Nov 13 22:12:45 Indeed ScaredyCat. Nov 13 22:13:45 XorA: The wiki tells me about - switch neo on, but does not work Nov 13 22:14:04 XorA: Do I have to hold the reset button for a while? Nov 13 22:14:20 with the flash erased, it won't switch on properly Nov 13 22:14:33 as it'll turn the CPU on, but there is no code for it to exec Nov 13 22:14:41 (I think) Nov 13 22:14:43 homyx: you hit power switch on neo, there should be a small flash on screen (real small), from that point you can keep hitting reset until it works Nov 13 22:15:05 homyx: your best to start by removing and re-inserting battery Nov 13 22:15:15 * ScaredyCat points up and spanks homyx Nov 13 22:16:08 I already took different batteries Nov 13 22:16:24 I guess the next to do is, reset -- connect -- until it works Nov 13 22:17:17 nelson: thx :-/ Nov 13 22:17:19 ScaredyCat: sorry I'm new to all this stuff Nov 13 22:18:30 all the details for unbricking are on the wiki Nov 13 22:18:49 rwhitby: nahhhhh, yer just a kid. I turn 50 in a few short months. Nov 13 22:18:58 rwhitby: I already read upto 4 different pages ... Nov 13 22:19:33 rhwhitby: and tried to check the irc logs, google ... Nov 13 22:20:45 nelson: I saw that. And it means it *is* you. Hah! Nov 13 22:20:52 @ all Thanks Im online :) Nov 13 22:21:01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked Nov 13 22:21:10 nelson, you are THE russ nelson? Nov 13 22:21:10 haha ? Nov 13 22:21:25 abraxa_: careful .... I've got my cane already .... and I know how to use it. Nov 13 22:21:36 josch: yes, all the others are imposters. Nov 13 22:21:46 OMG I SPOKE WITH RUSS NELSON Nov 13 22:21:56 :-D Nov 13 22:22:10 who? Nov 13 22:22:10 carefully, write down the date and time, yes. Nov 13 22:22:23 nelson: Try running, old man. I'll drop a couple AOL CDs and make you slip. :D Nov 13 22:22:23 ScaredyCat: google for russ Nov 13 22:22:34 Unfortunately, google for nelson doesn't work anywhere near as well. Nov 13 22:23:00 oh the gay rights campaigner Nov 13 22:23:12 lmao Nov 13 22:23:52 * linux_galore waves Nov 13 22:24:03 http://russnelson.com/ is the only russ I could find googling Nov 13 22:24:19 nelson: I remember porting your tcpip library to the HP-200LX back in the early 90s. Nov 13 22:24:35 nelson: what was the name of it again? Nov 13 22:25:27 summatusmentis: Try googling for abraxa ;) Nov 13 22:25:31 "my" tcpip library? I never wrote a tcpip library; I just worked on the packet drivers. Nov 13 22:25:32 actually just did a google just for fun (pun meant) and found a few russ nelsons Nov 13 22:25:37 summatusmentis: that would be me. Nov 13 22:25:42 apparently I'm a drummer Nov 13 22:25:46 CM: I wish I could kick you ;) Nov 13 22:26:04 abraxa_: Hehe Nov 13 22:26:05 http://www.google.com/search?q=andy+powell Nov 13 22:26:18 nelson: so I win then? :-P Nov 13 22:26:25 ScaredyCat: Where is you? Nov 13 22:26:27 Good evening again Nov 13 22:26:46 I tell you what is really spooky... that first google entry... Nov 13 22:26:47 abraxa_: http://abraxa.darklands.cx/ for shame! 18+? Nov 13 22:26:53 same birthday as me Nov 13 22:27:28 Heh, google for me and I'm pretty much every hit.. Nov 13 22:27:35 ffs, now I have to learn to port android, [shouts] who told the pointy headed ones about android Nov 13 22:28:05 linux_galore: You mean your bosses? Nov 13 22:28:23 This is 'my' wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stirling Nov 13 22:28:30 yeah, someone opened their mouth a few weeks back Nov 13 22:28:37 I once got invited on a polar expedition by email. Nov 13 22:28:58 SpeedEvil: then you said, damn yes, its warmer there :-) Nov 13 22:28:58 I was tempted to read all his books and try to blag it. Nov 13 22:29:01 el sugh Nov 13 22:29:40 SpeedEvil: Hehe Nov 13 22:29:42 Abraxa's Garden of Sadistic Delights... intresting... Nov 13 22:29:44 lol Nov 13 22:30:00 just when I was getting happy with my erlang skills, all Java too @ android Nov 13 22:30:03 abraxa_ doesn't just code a media player.. :D Nov 13 22:30:12 Just a short question: CM and ScaredyCat, I have the same problem trying to run make qemu like 24h ago... though this time it cant find http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/index.html.3. This Morning buildhost.openmoko.org wasn't even reachable (no route to host, but the error wasn't on my end of the Internet ;-). Is this still supposed to be normal? *g* Nov 13 22:30:19 CM, yeah... now I get the picture ^^ Nov 13 22:30:28 * CM hides from abraxa_ Nov 13 22:30:37 * josch runs for cover Nov 13 22:30:43 anyway back to work, goto fix some bouncing widget code Nov 13 22:30:56 does anyone else think this would be great to use with the neo? http://www.vuzix.com/iwear/products_m920.html Nov 13 22:31:34 question: how to access eds with python? Nov 13 22:31:41 if there was a way of connecting it of course Nov 13 22:31:45 benni_: It's weird that it says /fic-gta01/, should be /neo1973/ Nov 13 22:31:56 bmk789_, o0 <= how is it used? does it have a vga interface? Nov 13 22:32:00 bmk789_: Go and actually use one, then ask the same question Nov 13 22:32:10 if you can Nov 13 22:32:10 the index is a little odd too Nov 13 22:32:15 VGA, svideo, or composite Nov 13 22:32:27 linux_galore: why, what are they like? Nov 13 22:32:32 benni_: Are you using an old makefile maybe? Nov 13 22:32:40 benni_: Tried make update-makefile? Nov 13 22:32:54 bmk789_: Ive tried a few units with a similar concept over the years and they seriously suck Nov 13 22:33:07 hard to see or what? Nov 13 22:33:07 linux_galore, why? Nov 13 22:33:21 CM: Is http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile the most recent one? Nov 13 22:33:43 benni_, doesnt matter just du make update-makefile Nov 13 22:33:47 benni_: Might wanna ask rwhitby that ;) Nov 13 22:34:07 josch: well for starters not everyone has a high dominant side so images often look blurry, also the resolution is always piss poor, and finally they are annoying to wear Nov 13 22:34:28 or make rwhitby-fix-my-problem Nov 13 22:34:37 rwhitby: You might want to update that file, since the wiki points to it Nov 13 22:34:40 linux_galore: not always if you spend $$$$$$ Nov 13 22:35:00 benni_: It's a bit old it seems, just looking at it Nov 13 22:35:35 Mobile dwearable display units have been in the works now for a good 25 years and unless you have allot of money and hardware to back it up the whole thing is a bit wanting Nov 13 22:35:35 bmk789_: if you have money to burn ($999) buy another neo for a neoless child Nov 13 22:35:44 make update-makefile still gets me the same error... I just try to get rid of everything and start over... Nov 13 22:36:09 * doc|work is a neoless child! Nov 13 22:36:33 benni_: does sound a bit odd your situation... Nov 13 22:36:38 i cant even afford my date saturday Nov 13 22:36:52 hah @ $999 try $15k for a decent unit and $50k for one that actually works but you need a kick ass computer to run it Nov 13 22:37:03 bmk789_: you need to find cheaper hookers Nov 13 22:37:05 * doc|work runs! Nov 13 22:37:09 well, yes... ^^ Nov 13 22:37:23 lol Nov 13 22:38:14 paying $999 for a heads up display is like buying a 2" lcd to watch HD movies Nov 13 22:38:30 they have cheaper models................ Nov 13 22:39:01 bmk789_: you can always get cheaper the problem is they dont work well Nov 13 22:40:02 bit like Kia talking about Ferrari's because they also make cars Nov 13 22:40:29 no matter what price, you'll still look like a knob Nov 13 22:40:36 lol true Nov 13 22:41:14 if you wear one of those things you may as well put a big blinking "NERD" sign on your head Nov 13 22:41:41 unless you are also sitting in a black hawke helicopter at the time Nov 13 22:41:53 Did everyone see the community mail about gsm firmware and gps btw? Nov 13 22:42:14 same one as earlier? Nov 13 22:42:16 or new? Link :o Nov 13 22:42:21 flexd: Yes, same Nov 13 22:42:33 CM: yeah i read it on my rss reader Nov 13 22:42:38 Just asked in case some missed it ;) Nov 13 22:42:41 i keep forgetting what emails i sign up on the list :/ Nov 13 22:42:59 I thought it was too much noise on the community list Nov 13 22:43:37 Ive stopped signing on to mailing list and I mainly read rss news/blog feeds now Nov 13 22:44:24 bbl Nov 13 22:45:02 * CM reads too many feeds Nov 13 22:47:23 only the best ones though ;) Nov 13 22:48:09 ScaredyCat: Hehe, of course Nov 13 22:48:51 * ScaredyCat hasn't found a reader I like Nov 13 22:49:23 ScaredyCat: Google reader have the best statistics.. :D Nov 13 22:49:30 ScaredyCat: josch: SpeedEvil: thanks for your help! Nov 13 22:49:36 and offline support Nov 13 22:50:18 XorA: many thanks for providing the hint... Nov 13 22:50:22 bmk789_: Does that work well? I've never tried actually, since I don't have a laptop Nov 13 22:50:29 ScaredyCat: From your 114 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 8,013 items, starred 25 items, shared 27 items, and emailed 0 items. Nov 13 22:50:34 :D Nov 13 22:50:45 ynezz: unbricked :) thanks for your debug board :) Nov 13 22:50:51 lol Nov 13 22:50:59 homyx, cangrats! Nov 13 22:51:03 :) yaya! Nov 13 22:51:07 s/cangrats/congrats/ Nov 13 22:51:07 josch meant: homyx, congrats! Nov 13 22:51:08 send it to torpor Nov 13 22:51:24 definitely Nov 13 22:51:34 CM: ya, usually, but you have to remember to click download if your going to use it offline, it doesnt just keep a local copy Nov 13 22:52:11 bmk789_: Ok, I'll try that once I get a nice laptop :) Nov 13 22:52:23 ScaredyCat: Already on my todo :) Nov 13 22:52:25 Who puts OpenMoko on it first? http://www.rpsys.net/wp/?p=13 Nov 13 22:52:37 RP: Cool! Nov 13 22:53:16 android is qvga? lol they suck ^^ Nov 13 22:54:20 I have akregator in kde,,, I'll try that for a bit Nov 13 22:56:17 akregator is pretty good, wish it would display artices better though Nov 13 22:57:13 CM: Its just a shame dbus causes it to segfault... Nov 13 22:57:59 *nod* Nov 13 22:58:22 RP: 0.8.2 had plenty of bugs in ARM decoding so it's no surprise Nov 13 22:59:20 josch: no, this device is qvga, i suspect android adapts to several resolutions like openmoko Nov 13 22:59:22 balrog-kun: yes. Makes you wonder how it works for them really... Nov 13 22:59:35 hi balrog-kun :) Nov 13 22:59:41 univac: hi there Nov 13 23:00:52 RP: and how much pain they suffered working around Android issues that were actual qemu issues Nov 13 23:01:04 * CM waves good night Nov 13 23:03:23 CM: I'll get you in your sleep for that link you posted. Nov 13 23:03:49 abraxa_: I didn't post any link... ;) Nov 13 23:03:58 heehee ;D Nov 13 23:03:59 balrog-kun: yes... Nov 13 23:04:29 abraxa_: Admit it's funny Nov 13 23:04:42 abraxa_: I'll fall asleep with a grin.. Hehe.. What a name of a homepage Nov 13 23:05:06 CM: yeah, I just wish it were a little easier for people to tell that it's *not* me Nov 13 23:05:13 CM: Good night :) Nov 13 23:05:28 abraxa_: Maybe you should stop wearing those leather outfits.. :D Nov 13 23:05:44 * CM hears a STFU Nov 13 23:06:05 abraxa_: Good night too (And thanks for being a good sport!) Nov 13 23:06:07 Any good idea to contact rwhitby without bothering him? Nov 13 23:06:31 benni_: What does your line 421 in the Makefile look like? Nov 13 23:06:37 benni_, well waiting for him to wake up would probably bother him less Nov 13 23:06:41 hi. i read that openmoko has been installed on a motorola a780. was that just proof of concept or is it kind of working? Nov 13 23:06:43 CM: I'm just pretending. I'll still get you in your sleep. Nov 13 23:06:53 abraxa_: :P Nov 13 23:07:28 line 421: ( cd build/qemu && openmoko/flash.sh ../tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973 ) Nov 13 23:07:47 the_mgt: i think the answer is openmoko on any device is for the moment a proof of concept Nov 13 23:07:49 josch: what timezone does he live in? ^^ Nov 13 23:07:56 the_mgt: You might want to talk to any of the OpenEZX people (e.g. koen) Nov 13 23:07:58 balrog-kun: thought so Nov 13 23:07:59 benni_: Hmm.. Looks ok. In some old ones it said fic-gta01 there Nov 13 23:08:07 benni_, I somewhere hear rwhitby comes from australia? Nov 13 23:08:16 He does Nov 13 23:08:23 benni_: Just ping him here Nov 13 23:08:28 that explains a lot :-D Nov 13 23:08:48 benni_: He's a really helpful and nice guy :) Nov 13 23:09:05 benni_, for CM everyone is a nice guy ^^ Nov 13 23:09:06 sooooo could someone please tell me my password I used to register here some years ago ^^ Nov 13 23:09:08 I suspect he's busy playing with Android now though.. Nov 13 23:09:23 I saw this on his homepage, yes Nov 13 23:09:41 josch: Hmm.. Nov 13 23:09:58 Good night though Nov 13 23:10:06 * CM turns off screen and speakers Nov 13 23:10:19 g'night CM Nov 13 23:12:01 good night, CM, and thanks again! Nov 13 23:14:27 g'night @ all Nov 13 23:14:44 * josch gives his neo a good night kiss and goes to bed Nov 13 23:16:55 lol josch... good night Nov 13 23:18:33 * rwhitby is back Nov 13 23:19:06 nelson: oh, yeah - that was it - the packet driver which I used for the CF ethernet card. Nov 13 23:19:37 * rwhitby has memory problems now he's 40 Nov 13 23:20:58 rwhitby: Did you see the makefile problems that were mentioned? Nov 13 23:21:37 abraxa_: yes, but I didn't see a full pastebin of the problem Nov 13 23:22:03 rwhitby: Hi there... I'm the guy with the problem... what do you want to see? Nov 13 23:22:59 can you pastebin a log of "make update-makefile ; make setup update all" Nov 13 23:25:15 torpor: you're looking for devirgination help? Nov 13 23:27:25 someone here use BT headset or headphones with linux? Nov 13 23:28:09 rwhitby: Is "make setup update all" the thing wich takes 5h and 18gb? For the beginning, I just wanted to try some make qemu... ;-) Nov 13 23:28:53 bennigraf: ok, just "make update-openmoko qemu" then Nov 13 23:29:07 (to make sure you have the latest openmoko svn file) Nov 13 23:29:10 files) Nov 13 23:32:37 rwhitby: http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m3c7fa6fd Nov 13 23:33:49 bennigraf: can you pastebin openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env ? Nov 13 23:35:19 http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m2b199ba3 Nov 13 23:35:34 Shall I change the last line? Nov 13 23:36:40 I haven't seen that last line before - did you add it, or has the env file been updated by the OM folks? Nov 13 23:37:01 I didn't change anything manually Nov 13 23:37:08 can you pastebin the download.sh script? Nov 13 23:37:54 http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m61619cac Nov 13 23:39:06 Yesterday evening I tryed the same thing and it failed with a 404, but because the whole buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2 got rebuilt, maybe that has anything to do with this? Nov 13 23:41:27 bennigraf: looks like OM have rebuilt buildhost's deploy dir, and have forgotten to put uboot there. Nov 13 23:42:03 uboot is..? Nov 13 23:42:08 so I'm afraid you're out of luck until mickey|dinner fixes the snapshot area to include a uboot image, and then fixes the env file to point to neo1973 area for dev_download_dir too. Nov 13 23:42:15 uboot is the bootloader. Nov 13 23:42:22 ah, okay Nov 13 23:42:42 Is there a way to give them a hint? ^^ Nov 13 23:42:43 * balrog-kun updated env and download.sh to match recent buildhost layout Nov 13 23:43:00 if it changed again, then it's a bit annoying :) Nov 13 23:43:27 oh yes, it did.. Nov 13 23:43:52 * balrog-kun wish they would settle with one logical directory layout Nov 13 23:45:13 bennigraf: balrog-kun will handle it - just wait till he says the files have been updated in svn, then do make update-openmoko again. Nov 13 23:45:57 okay, so I'm putting myself thrustfully in balrog-kuns hands ;-) Nov 13 23:46:15 Thanks alot for your help, rwhitby! Nov 13 23:46:22 for a change, i can't find *any* u-boot snpashots anywhere on the buildhost now... Nov 13 23:46:40 * mwester muses that this might be a *good* thing. Nov 13 23:47:02 mwester: makes it hard to run qemu though ... Nov 13 23:47:17 or to update your phone likewise Nov 13 23:47:51 the reasons to run a recent u-boot on the Neo and in qemu are the same Nov 13 23:47:54 Ah, that's true. But it might also prevent a few bricks... Nov 13 23:48:16 the difference is that qemu doesn't have a working one to start with :-) Nov 13 23:48:39 The last u-boot I tried refused to boot when disconnected from its USB cable. Nov 13 23:49:31 mickeyl opened a bug on it; it wasn't fixed as of a short time ago. Nov 13 23:49:40 we can take the one from the july release, that's what qemu did for a couple of months but i changed it recently because i thought it misses the point Nov 13 23:49:42 * mwester goes off to see if he can find that bug number Nov 13 23:50:46 * balrog-kun just hopes the layout doesn't change again in a couple days Nov 13 23:51:50 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=887 Nov 13 23:53:15 hi, sorry, my X crashed... Nov 13 23:53:53 How are the chances of getting a useable uboot for qemu anytime soon, then? Nov 13 23:54:06 benni: SCREEN + irssi + your favourite terminal emulator... safe from X deaths :) Nov 13 23:54:13 hehe Nov 13 23:54:28 but i like those wobbly windows... ^^ Nov 13 23:55:05 *my* terminal is still wibbly :) Nov 13 23:55:30 oh, now I get it... ^^ Nov 13 23:56:36 benni: http://moko.mwester.net/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin Nov 13 23:57:12 That's the one I flashed finally, which has been working just fine for a long time. (that's from buildhost, BTW) Nov 13 23:58:03 will the neo ever be able to compete with the battery specs of this device? Nov 13 23:58:04 http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch_cruise.htm Nov 13 23:58:04 I assume I have to put it into images/openmoko, am I right? Nov 13 23:58:35 Oh, I don't know about how to make it work with qemu. Only the real device, I'm afraid. Nov 13 23:59:14 basically copy it into your openmoko/ directory in qemu source tree and run the rest of the scripts i think Nov 13 23:59:47 benni: try putting it in the same dir that the other files were downloaded to Nov 13 23:59:57 i will change the script back to use the u-boot from the release for the moment and if i notice there are snapshots being build again i will change again, sigh Nov 14 00:06:32 Well actually I need to go to bed now anyways... Nov 14 00:06:56 Good night and thanks for all your help, sooner or later it will work, I'm sure... ^^ Nov 14 00:08:40 it should work out of the box now, check when you wake up :) Nov 14 00:41:15 * mjr ordered the XO through a US friend. Now let's see if I get that or the GTA02 first ;] Nov 14 01:33:28 Flws povo !!! Nov 14 01:45:59 bleh, I need to read the docs Nov 14 01:46:21 someone handed me a neo 1973, it booted the first time... I powered it off, now it refuses to come on Nov 14 01:46:44 if anyone has a moment to help, I'd love it, otherwise I'm just gonna go digging and see if there are docs to help me Nov 14 01:46:45 hachi: you've flattened the battery, and PM sucks Nov 14 01:46:54 I have it plugged in Nov 14 01:46:59 take battery out, leave 5 mins, charge 1 hour Nov 14 01:47:09 boot, and charge the rest of the way Nov 14 01:47:20 it charges when off? Nov 14 01:47:20 some have found that the battery needs to be out for longer Nov 14 01:47:28 not always Nov 14 01:47:36 hence the battery out first to make sure it does Nov 14 01:47:57 This is very broken Nov 14 01:48:10 okay, battery is out, leaving it Nov 14 01:48:32 It is mostly fixable in software thouhg. Nov 14 01:48:45 I was gonna flash to the latest devel, assuming there is such a thing Nov 14 01:56:50 uhhh Nov 14 02:00:37 once I get it charged, if I leave it always plugged in to some USB device, will it tend to stay charged? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 14 02:59:57 2007