**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 27 02:59:57 2007
Nov 27 03:23:47 <CIA-14> 03tick * r3518 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/Makefile.am: [gsmd] make "make dist" correctly
Nov 27 03:56:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1030 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com
Nov 27 03:56:02 <cdbot2> * * ill-placed get_imsi
Nov 27 03:56:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1030
Nov 27 05:15:23 <CVirus> gtg
Nov 27 05:28:50 <Hopscotch> good morning
Nov 27 05:51:12 <CM> Morning :)
Nov 27 06:17:20 <NineX> ave
Nov 27 07:05:32 <daMaestro> anyone got video playback working?
Nov 27 07:05:42 <daMaestro> i'm finally taking the time to configure my mythtv setup
Nov 27 07:06:17 <daMaestro> i'd like to develop something like http://www.myth2ipod.com/ for the neo1973
Nov 27 07:07:06 <CM> daMaestro: I think abraxa_ had qvga video working partially, but there was some issues when switching back to vga iirc
Nov 27 07:07:20 <CM> It's not fast enough for full vga
Nov 27 07:08:15 <daMaestro> yeah, i think with a unique profile.. video could be re-encoded to work pretty well
Nov 27 07:08:49 <CM> Yes. Maybe rotate it when encoding it too
Nov 27 07:09:04 <CM> Is there any kind of standard for that?
Nov 27 07:09:05 <daMaestro> +1
Nov 27 07:09:14 <daMaestro> for re-encoding?
Nov 27 07:11:23 <abraxa_> daMaestro: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player has some hints
Nov 27 07:11:24 <daMaestro> mencoder -vf rotate=1 -o goodness.avi -oac copy -ovc lavc old.avi
Nov 27 07:11:29 <daMaestro> for example.
Nov 27 07:13:09 <daMaestro> nice, so it's totally duable
Nov 27 07:13:13 <daMaestro> hmmm doable*
Nov 27 07:14:30 <CM> :)
Nov 27 07:14:35 <daMaestro> myth2neo should be fun
Nov 27 07:14:41 <CM> abraxa_: Good morning, up early today 
Nov 27 07:14:53 <daMaestro> i'm still sorting out my myth setup; seeing as how I only have a pvr-150... but i
Nov 27 07:15:02 * mwester runs Mythtv with myth2ipod for one of the kid's iPods, and tablet-encode for his N800, and would love to see something for the Neo, too.
Nov 27 07:15:12 <daMaestro> 'll be working on getting my neo able to play shows (makes the transit during the day much better)
Nov 27 07:17:04 <daMaestro> mwester, using user jobs and nuvexport?
Nov 27 07:18:04 <mwester> user jobs for both, nuvexport is used by myth2ipod -- but I think that tablet-encode can read a .nuv file directly (I'll have to look at the code to be sure).
Nov 27 07:18:40 <blindcoder> moin
Nov 27 07:19:45 <CM> daMaestro: I have a pvr-150 too, but haven't even plugged it in yet. %)
Nov 27 07:19:52 <mwester> The iPod is strange, and needs transcoding, but I think the N800 with mplayer can take the mpg directly.  So I'm hoping that I can set up a recording profile with the correct audio and video parameters to just record directly to something the N800 can read.  I expect the Neo would be more similar to the N800 with mplayer than the iPod.
Nov 27 07:20:35 * mwester thinks he has a pvr-150; it's running on Fedora 7 without any special patches or configuration.
Nov 27 07:20:46 <daMaestro> yeah, i'm running f8
Nov 27 07:21:15 <daMaestro> mythfrontend doesn't play nice with compiz.. but it's one click off to make the frontend work
Nov 27 07:21:19 <mwester> Is f8 released yet?
Nov 27 07:21:30 <daMaestro> yeah, couple weeks ago now
Nov 27 07:21:47 <mwester> Darn.   I just loaded a scratch system with F7 this evening.
Nov 27 07:21:55 <mwester> I could have had a F8!
Nov 27 07:21:59 <mwester> :p :D
Nov 27 07:22:19 <daMaestro> hmmm it seems the transcode didn't de-interlace
Nov 27 07:22:23 <daMaestro> lame /me tries to fix
Nov 27 07:22:30 * CM compiles stuff instead
Nov 27 07:49:04 <NineX> hm , tehere is heare someone from openmoko webshop staff ?
Nov 27 08:17:42 <josch> root@fic-gta01:~$ /etc/init.d/gsmd start
Nov 27 08:17:42 <josch> Starting GSM daemon: gsmd.
Nov 27 08:17:42 <josch> root@fic-gta01:~$ libgsmd-tool -m shell
Nov 27 08:17:42 <josch> libgsm-tool - (C) 2006 by Harald Welte
Nov 27 08:17:42 <josch> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Nov 27 08:17:43 <josch> Can't connect to gsmd
Nov 27 08:17:46 <josch> wut??
Nov 27 08:18:53 <CIA-14> 03tick * r3519 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (7 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: Refactorying get_imsi from PHONEBOOK to PHONE (tick)
Nov 27 08:20:11 <tick> josch, you may "cat /tmp/gsmd"  and see if gsmd is ok or not
Nov 27 08:20:32 <josch> not existant
Nov 27 08:21:09 <josch> root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /tmp/gsm.log 
Nov 27 08:21:09 <josch> /usr/sbin/gsmd already running.
Nov 27 08:21:09 <josch> 1119
Nov 27 08:21:24 <Stephmw> there's probably a pid file somewhere
Nov 27 08:21:35 <josch> root@fic-gta01:~$ ps -e | grep gsm
Nov 27 08:21:35 <josch>  1119 ?        00:05:46 gsmd
Nov 27 08:23:11 <tick> josch, :P sorry it's /tmp/gsm.log :P
Nov 27 08:23:15 <josch> np
Nov 27 08:23:31 <josch> but it seems to be up and running
Nov 27 08:24:55 <josch> I now replaced libgsmd-devel with the normal libgsmd but no success
Nov 27 08:25:59 <tick> josch, which gsmd SVN version do you use?
Nov 27 08:27:46 <josch> libgsmd 3451
Nov 27 08:28:23 <josch> ah no libgsmd_0.1+svnr3430-r37
Nov 27 08:28:45 <josch> downloaded from buildhost.openmoko.org
Nov 27 08:30:07 <josch> tick, what can I try out now? another revision?
Nov 27 08:30:47 <tick> josch, maybe current SVN version 
Nov 27 08:31:54 <josch> tick, can the error be produced by other packages than libgsmd?
Nov 27 08:32:11 <josch> I don't know the internals very well
Nov 27 08:37:09 <tick> josch, what's the status of /tmp/gsm.log of your phone?
Nov 27 08:37:44 <josch> tick, works now!
Nov 27 08:37:53 <josch> Upgrading libgsmd on root from 0.1+svnr3430-r37 to 0.1+svnr3451-r39
Nov 27 08:38:33 <josch> now also /tmp/gsmd.log looks correctly
Nov 27 08:38:46 <josch> with all the AT debug output
Nov 27 08:44:58 <tick> josch, Oh~ If this happens again in new version, please file a bug on bugzilla. Thanks.
Nov 27 08:45:48 <josch> jop
Nov 27 08:46:16 <tick> Thanks :-) 
Nov 27 08:59:16 <ScaredyCat> w00t!
Nov 27 08:59:28 <ScaredyCat> my neo is still on from yesterday evening!
Nov 27 08:59:43 <CM> ScaredyCat: Nice :)
Nov 27 09:00:53 <ScaredyCat> I think the batery monitor might be lying though :)
Nov 27 09:01:45 <CM> I'm happy as long as it doesn't crash.. ;)
Nov 27 09:02:35 <ScaredyCat> borg_ s moded neod has died though
Nov 27 09:02:39 <ScaredyCat> modded
Nov 27 09:02:44 <josch> ScaredyCat, what does cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt say?
Nov 27 09:02:45 <doc|home> a whole 24 hours? magic! :)
Nov 27 09:03:09 <ScaredyCat> josch: I don't know - have you tried typing on that tiny keyboard!
Nov 27 09:03:24 <ScaredyCat> doc|home: not yet
Nov 27 09:03:30 <ScaredyCat> from 4pm yesterday...
Nov 27 09:03:41 <ScaredyCat> was in my bad on, forgot about it :)
Nov 27 09:03:43 <josch> ScaredyCat, that is what tab is for ^^
Nov 27 09:03:45 <ScaredyCat> bag
Nov 27 09:04:24 <doc|home> what's the minimum it could be before it gets shipped, two days?
Nov 27 09:04:45 <NineX> someone know did openmoko webshop acceptink visa virtual cards?
Nov 27 09:04:46 <ScaredyCat> aahh neod hadn't crashed, was pushed to the background - lol 
Nov 27 09:06:47 <doc|home> ScaredyCat: by the way, get os2008 yet? :)
Nov 27 09:10:31 <ScaredyCat> huh?!
Nov 27 09:12:10 <ScaredyCat> borg_: ping
Nov 27 09:12:20 <doc|home> wasn't it you who "suggested" getting a nokia n800?
Nov 27 09:13:48 <ScaredyCat> oh, sorry, not swithed my brain on yet.. 
Nov 27 09:13:55 <ScaredyCat> you like it ? :)
Nov 27 09:14:06 <doc|home> yeah, lots :)
Nov 27 09:14:13 <doc|home> and you know os2008 is out now?
Nov 27 09:14:17 <doc|home> it's even nicer
Nov 27 09:14:29 <doc|home> (in beta for n800)
Nov 27 09:14:31 <_buz> mwester: was suggesting it last night (after me considering to get it)
Nov 27 09:14:37 <ScaredyCat> not seen it tbh ... I only have 770
Nov 27 09:14:42 <doc|home> ScaredyCat: ah, ok
Nov 27 09:14:49 <doc|home> _buz: an n800?
Nov 27 09:14:53 <_buz> yeah
Nov 27 09:14:58 <_buz> supposedly quite good
Nov 27 09:15:02 <_buz> (if you dont need the gsm)
Nov 27 09:15:04 <doc|home> I'm happy with it :)
Nov 27 09:15:08 <doc|home> yep, exactly
Nov 27 09:15:30 <doc|home> still want a neo, not sure why now though, this does what I was hoping the neo would
Nov 27 09:15:38 <ScaredyCat> gsm? 800 has no gsm  iirc
Nov 27 09:15:53 <_buz> ScaredyCat: which is why i said if you dont need gsm :)
Nov 27 09:16:04 * ScaredyCat stabs _buz
Nov 27 09:16:09 <doc|home> heh, the gta02 might not have gsm for me either :)
Nov 27 09:16:19 <ScaredyCat> yeah, quite good, if you don't need to fly to the moon
Nov 27 09:17:31 <_buz> is anyone running OM on n800 anyway?
Nov 27 09:18:22 <doc|home> someone is, but I wouldn't, why bother? OM isn't really functional enough yet
Nov 27 09:30:17 <josch> hrm... I understand that openembedded distributions like openzaurus and angstrom are made for handhelds and not for phones like openmoko but GPE is for phones - so why two distros for the same purpose? what's the difference?
Nov 27 09:30:52 <josch> I mean G(PE)² of course
Nov 27 09:31:55 <_buz> different people behind it
Nov 27 09:34:08 <_buz> to complete things even further, there's also qtopia which is mostly an userland though and can actually run on the openmoko distro
Nov 27 09:42:33 <balrog-kun> on openmoko distro? qtopia is more like a distro of its own
Nov 27 09:43:13 <ScaredyCat> qtopia is an app
Nov 27 09:43:23 <ScaredyCat> it uses the same kernel as openmoko
Nov 27 09:43:48 <_buz> it comes as its own image, but its really just openmoko kernel+libs with qtopia instead of gtk gui
Nov 27 09:43:57 <balrog-kun> ScaredyCat: no, it can use any kernel for a given device
Nov 27 09:44:20 <balrog-kun> it has most of its own libs
Nov 27 09:44:34 <balrog-kun> afaik it doesn't use any part of openmoko
Nov 27 09:46:24 <josch> did anybody run wesnoth on openmoko?
Nov 27 09:46:29 <_buz> depends what you consider openmoko to be. if openmoko is primarily the gui to you, then yes. if openmoko however is a complete distro, then it at the very least uses the kernel
Nov 27 09:49:35 <balrog-kun> _buz: ok
Nov 27 09:49:53 <balrog-kun> i think i don't consider kernels to be part of distros, even if they come with default ones
Nov 27 09:51:59 <xcasex> interesting, does the qtopia dialer work with the neo?
Nov 27 09:52:08 <_buz> i'm told it does
Nov 27 09:52:19 <ScaredyCat> it does
Nov 27 09:52:26 <xcasex> and how about gpe2?
Nov 27 10:01:52 <josch> +1 to xcasex's question
Nov 27 10:04:51 <xcasex> otoh i'm very into moko since you guys got carsten on board :p
Nov 27 10:05:12 <CM> xcasex: I'm sure efl is in the future :)
Nov 27 10:05:19 <xcasex> which is mostly what sealed the deal for us as a company since we believe a lot in his capability to produce ass kicking graphics ;)
Nov 27 10:17:15 <ScaredyCat> ok, < 24 hours, but still 18.... getting better
Nov 27 10:17:24 <ScaredyCat> neo just powered off
Nov 27 10:17:54 <CM> That's usable if you charge it every night
Nov 27 10:18:37 <ScaredyCat> yup
Nov 27 10:19:50 <balrog-kun> ScaredyCat: 18 hours on battery, no cable connected?
Nov 27 10:20:33 <emdete> ScaredyCat: can you tell more? how did you do that?
Nov 27 10:23:15 <ScaredyCat> what?
Nov 27 10:23:22 <ScaredyCat> yes, 18 hours, no cable...
Nov 27 10:23:33 <ScaredyCat> emdete: turn on power management
Nov 27 10:23:36 <emdete> how? mine lasts max 2h
Nov 27 10:23:52 <emdete> how?
Nov 27 10:23:55 <ScaredyCat> press and hold the power button, you get a menu
Nov 27 10:23:57 <CM> emdete: What kernel do you have?
Nov 27 10:24:08 <balrog-kun> emdete: mine lasts 2h when connected to power...
Nov 27 10:24:13 <ScaredyCat> select the power management drop down
Nov 27 10:24:30 <balrog-kun> perhaps 20min with no cable
Nov 27 10:24:52 <IfWorkCouldKill> Is there a way to open the menu in qqemu?
Nov 27 10:24:54 <emdete> CM: 2.6.22.5-moko11-r2
Nov 27 10:25:18 <CM> Hmm.. I think that's fairly old? Isn't it up to -r9 now?
Nov 27 10:25:23 <emdete> ScaredyCat: i have no gui for now ;) what happens behind the menu?
Nov 27 10:25:29 * CM pokes the cat
Nov 27 10:25:34 <ScaredyCat> what!
Nov 27 10:25:47 <CM> What kernel do you run on it now?
Nov 27 10:26:07 <ScaredyCat> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r9-neo1973.bin
Nov 27 10:26:15 <emdete> right now none, i forgot it at home :(
Nov 27 10:26:51 <ScaredyCat> sadly it didn't power off before completely flattening the battery 
Nov 27 10:26:53 <emdete> okay, will flash that one this evening. but what happens behind the pm from menu?
Nov 27 10:27:01 <ScaredyCat> pm stuff
Nov 27 10:27:02 <ScaredyCat> :)
Nov 27 10:27:28 <ScaredyCat> screen dims and / or powers off
Nov 27 10:27:49 <emdete> ah, just found it - was in a difference pocket... ;)
Nov 27 10:36:53 <rob_w> dear all .. iam trying to use the "overlay" mechanic same as openmoko does , but yet it doesnt find my custom bb files i place inside my overlay .. i do export this overlay at BBPATH .. what do i miss here ?
Nov 27 10:39:40 <emdete> ScaredyCat: okay, flashed the kernel, everything's fine (even bt works again ;) )
Nov 27 10:40:25 <ScaredyCat> if you flash mine + the rootfs you'll also get  borg_'s updated neod with the funcky lock
Nov 27 10:40:30 <ScaredyCat> funky
Nov 27 10:41:45 <ScaredyCat> rob_w: have you added your local overlay too?
Nov 27 10:42:19 <emdete> :D nice, will check that soon... but currently i am more interested in my curses ui ;)
Nov 27 10:42:19 <rob_w> ScaredyCat: in BBPATH or where ? 
Nov 27 10:42:21 <ScaredyCat> in site.conf ?
Nov 27 10:42:26 <ScaredyCat> eg: BBFILES := "${OMDIR}/openembedded/packages/*/*.bb ${OMDIR}/local/packages/*/*.bb"
Nov 27 10:42:27 <rob_w> no 
Nov 27 10:42:42 <rob_w> ScaredyCat: right ..thats missing .. 
Nov 27 10:42:59 <rob_w> i tryed it before but used a wrong delimiter  at BBFILES 
Nov 27 10:44:40 <rob_w> Thanks ScaredyCat that was a good one 
Nov 27 10:46:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1031 has been created by willie_chen(AT)openmoko.com
Nov 27 10:46:02 <cdbot2> * * No SD driver on gta02
Nov 27 10:46:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1031
Nov 27 10:46:19 <rob_w> i wonder why  BBFILES is also not using ":" as delimiter ..
Nov 27 10:48:18 <CM> some ebuild heritage maybe?
Nov 27 10:48:49 <ScaredyCat> CM meant 'some gento shite maybe'
Nov 27 10:48:53 <ScaredyCat> o
Nov 27 10:49:00 <CM> ScaredyCat: :P
Nov 27 10:49:10 <rob_w> oh oh a flamewar .. thats not my fault , dudes 
Nov 27 10:49:26 <ScaredyCat> naaa... he knows I'm right :P
Nov 27 10:50:05 <rob_w> ScaredyCat: so just read the powermanagement greatly improved on the gta .. thats good to hear 
Nov 27 10:50:17 <CM> ~curse ScaredyCat for maybe including some truth in his accusations
Nov 27 10:50:18 <apt> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ScaredyCat for maybe including some truth in his accusations !
Nov 27 10:50:22 <ScaredyCat> yeah, I got 18 hours before it died
Nov 27 10:52:02 <ScaredyCat> that's a bit harsh.... being reincarnated as a wibders admin :/
Nov 27 10:52:13 <ScaredyCat> s/wibders/winders/
Nov 27 10:52:15 <apt> ScaredyCat meant: that's a bit harsh.... being reincarnated as a winders admin :/
Nov 27 10:52:55 <CM> I was hoping for the "May a 1000 fleas from a camel infest your..." something that he says sometimes ;)
Nov 27 10:53:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1032 has been created by willie_chen(AT)openmoko.com
Nov 27 10:53:01 <cdbot2> * * No wireless driver on GTA02
Nov 27 10:53:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1032
Nov 27 10:53:36 <CM> No wireless? Wasn't it some ar6k stuff checked in yesterday?
Nov 27 10:53:51 <ScaredyCat> ya
Nov 27 10:54:16 <ScaredyCat> ~curse CM and his ar6k spotting
Nov 27 10:54:17 <apt> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, CM and his ar6k spotting !
Nov 27 10:54:21 <ScaredyCat> :/
Nov 27 10:54:30 <ScaredyCat> seems to have got stuck...
Nov 27 10:54:46 <CM> ~lart apt for being stuck
Nov 27 10:54:47 * apt drops a baby grand on cm for being stuck
Nov 27 10:54:48 <ScaredyCat> ~blame apt
Nov 27 10:54:49 * apt blames apt (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
Nov 27 10:54:53 <CM> Pff..
Nov 27 10:55:13 <NineX> rotlf
Nov 27 10:55:23 <NineX> /s/rotlf/rotfl/
Nov 27 10:55:25 <ScaredyCat> lino?
Nov 27 10:55:30 <ScaredyCat> :)
Nov 27 11:07:46 <gi-el> ScaredyCat: how old is the uboot that works for SD?
Nov 27 11:10:11 <ScaredyCat> well, it's new enough to have the boot issue..
Nov 27 11:10:19 <ScaredyCat> 2632 is the revision
Nov 27 11:10:35 <gi-el> boot issue meaning not booting without usb plugged in or aux pressed?
Nov 27 11:11:19 <ScaredyCat> needs aux pressed, or iirc you just increase the boot delay, although I haven;t actually tried that
Nov 27 11:11:30 <gi-el> ok
Nov 27 11:11:33 <gi-el> thanks
Nov 27 11:16:49 <flexd>  Hmmmm
Nov 27 11:17:17 <flexd> I think i will have to make a cisco AP checking program :O
Nov 27 11:47:30 <borg_> ScaredyCat: pong
Nov 27 11:54:20 <IfWorkCouldKill> sind bestimmt zum mittachstisch
Nov 27 11:55:19 <ScaredyCat> borg_: neod screen lock - very bad if it locks while screen is rotated :)
Nov 27 11:56:23 <mjr> *grin*
Nov 27 11:57:52 <gi-el> heh
Nov 27 12:01:37 <borg_> ScaredyCat: never thought about his possibilitie :)
Nov 27 12:02:45 <borg_> s/his/this/
Nov 27 12:02:46 <apt> borg_ meant: ScaredyCat: never thought about this possibilitie :)
Nov 27 13:20:50 <pascal__> When does the openmoko come out for sale for ordinary people?
Nov 27 13:28:34 <teprrr> well, isn't it for sale from the webpage?
Nov 27 13:28:56 <teprrr> but I could imagine it'd take some time to get into the shelves of your local store ;)
Nov 27 13:38:26 <torpor> yo
Nov 27 13:38:30 <torpor> wake up.
Nov 27 13:57:09 <pascal__> teprrr: yeah, but I mean the model that can be used by non-developers
Nov 27 13:57:37 <teprrr> well, gta01+qtopia worked quite fine at least for making phone calls and so on
Nov 27 13:57:50 <teprrr> don't know when openmoko will be usable though
Nov 27 13:58:09 <pascal__> ok
Nov 27 13:58:13 <torpor> anyone know how to easily make my app full-screen? 
Nov 27 13:58:21 <torpor> i.e. do i have to do the XEvent way, or is there a libmokoui way?
Nov 27 14:03:36 <sinbaski> Moroever, does anyone know how to put an application onto the SIM card?
Nov 27 14:03:58 <sinbaski> Does the openmoko phone suufice?
Nov 27 14:04:04 <sinbaski> suffice
Nov 27 14:07:58 <cvdstap> hi all, this seems like a busy  channel
Nov 27 14:08:47 <CM> Usually it is :)
Nov 27 14:08:53 <NineX> :>
Nov 27 14:11:48 <cvdstap> I am guessing this is an eager user / dev channel ?
Nov 27 14:12:13 <Stephmw> the term is 'early adopter' or 'gadget freak' :D
Nov 27 14:12:15 * Stephmw hides
Nov 27 14:12:26 <NineX> hehe
Nov 27 14:12:28 <CM> ~fish Stephmw 
Nov 27 14:12:29 * apt slaps Stephmw around with a large trout
Nov 27 14:12:33 <CM> :P
Nov 27 14:12:46 <CM> cvdstap: Yes ;)
Nov 27 14:13:12 * Mononoke runs around in circles trying to spmehow spend the time till GTA02 release
Nov 27 14:13:16 <cvdstap> good one Stephmw, i will remeber that one
Nov 27 14:13:20 <torpor> i'm actively hacking code for openmoko, so i'd hope it was a dev channel .. 
Nov 27 14:13:57 <cvdstap> i am a developer myself, just not for openmoko ^^;
Nov 27 14:14:23 <Stephmw> cvdstap: not *yet* :D
Nov 27 14:14:28 <CM> Does anyone know what libicudata is used for? http://rafb.net/p/y0szl164.html
Nov 27 14:14:46 <Stephmw> CM: isn't ICU the unicode lib from ibm?
Nov 27 14:14:51 <torpor> openmoko is one of my targets, and its also my current test platform, coz the neo1973 gta01 is sufficiently lame that if it runs okay on it, then its good on other platforms too .. ;)
Nov 27 14:14:54 <CM> It's by far the largest lib in OpenMoko, together with webkit
Nov 27 14:15:05 <CM> Stephmw: Yes, but does it have to be 10mb?
Nov 27 14:15:11 <cvdstap> Stephmw, prob is i am strapped for cash, and probably dont have the time to get into the proje
Nov 27 14:15:13 <cvdstap> ct
Nov 27 14:15:39 <Stephmw> cvdstap: my problem too... I solve it by entertaining people in here with my silliness
Nov 27 14:15:49 <CM> cvdstap: Maybe you'll have both time and money once the GTA02 is finally out.. ;)
Nov 27 14:16:00 <cvdstap> cm ... chances are yes
Nov 27 14:16:05 <CM> :)
Nov 27 14:16:09 <cvdstap> or at least i will be reporting / testing :)
Nov 27 14:16:38 <cvdstap> since the openmoko is what i selected as my next phone, just that my poc needs to hang on till feb so it seems
Nov 27 14:18:19 <cvdstap> btw how big would the learning curve be before one can actually contribute something usefull
Nov 27 14:18:42 <CM> cvdstap: Currently it's still a bit steep..
Nov 27 14:18:51 <cvdstap> i am using gentoo linux at home myself, so i am somewhat linux savy but thats about it
Nov 27 14:18:52 <CM> But it's about to get better :)
Nov 27 14:19:10 <cvdstap> and is there like an emulator of the hardware so software can be tested 
Nov 27 14:19:37 <CM> cvdstap: I do too, and even though bitbake is somehow originally based on portage, it's something completely new to learn
Nov 27 14:20:05 <cvdstap> and the curve is depended on the documentation :)
Nov 27 14:20:09 <torpor> cvdstap: just write a gtk app ..
Nov 27 14:20:15 <CM> cvdstap: It's very easy to get up and running by just using "The Makefile"
Nov 27 14:20:34 <cvdstap> torpor ?
Nov 27 14:20:36 <torpor> i'm using mokomakefile, and its finally stabilized well enough for me to be in regular compile/run/write mode .. 
Nov 27 14:20:58 <tuukkah> CM, would you happen to know a nice dictionary or list of computing terms in swedish?
Nov 27 14:20:59 <CM> cvdstap: Basically you have to download two files, run one command then wait 8-12h depending on how fast comp you have
Nov 27 14:21:08 * oppiz writes a book that lets you compile linux from scratch
Nov 27 14:21:32 <CM> tuukkah: Hmm.. Only computing terms. List of words, or just a good online dictionary?
Nov 27 14:22:02 <torpor> for example i'm writing an app right now that uses gtk+ gconf librsvg cairo, and it compiles smooth and easy both on my linux host side, and for the gta01 too.. where i am now also smoothly testing every build (both on workstation and gta01)
Nov 27 14:22:38 <Stephmw> oppiz: LFS author?
Nov 27 14:22:39 <torpor> ScaredyCat: how do i add a scap?
Nov 27 14:22:41 <tuukkah> CM, i would need to learn the "proper" terms for a test
Nov 27 14:22:51 <oppiz> i was with lfs now i am clfs
Nov 27 14:23:21 <CM> tuukkah: If it's not too many, look it up at http://lexin.nada.kth.se/ might be ok or?
Nov 27 14:23:21 <oppiz> Stephmw,  http://trac.cross-lfs.org/
Nov 27 14:23:41 <cvdstap> hmm seems that i might try that once, compiling the software that is, using a amd63 dual core myself so in terms of computing power it should be fine
Nov 27 14:23:45 <cvdstap> amd64*
Nov 27 14:24:12 <oppiz> i have a pocketpc 6700 and i built embedded linux for it from scratch work great too
Nov 27 14:24:43 <cvdstap> lfs = linux from scratch ?
Nov 27 14:25:00 <oppiz> indeed
Nov 27 14:25:08 <CM> tuukkah: If some words are missing, send them to me in english :)
Nov 27 14:25:24 <NineX> masochizm = gentoo embeded on neo 1973 ;)
Nov 27 14:25:46 <tuukkah> CM, perhaps my best bet is to just read some texts. but for example the one i'm reading now uses a lot of english words
Nov 27 14:26:22 <tuukkah> CM, "design och implementation" - is this really swedish?-)
Nov 27 14:26:29 <tuukkah> "bugfree"
Nov 27 14:26:40 <Stephmw> NineX: why gentoo *embedded*? just flip some CFLAGS on a normal distro :D
Nov 27 14:26:51 <CM> tuukkah: Yes, perfect swedish
Nov 27 14:26:52 <torpor> not so easy
Nov 27 14:27:06 <Stephmw> NineX: </jk>
Nov 27 14:27:50 <tuukkah> CM, bugfree should perhaps rather be written as "buggfri"?
Nov 27 14:27:57 <oppiz> when is my phone coming!?
Nov 27 14:28:11 <Stephmw> oppiz: you have to build it from scratch
Nov 27 14:28:23 <oppiz> that fine send me the hardware!
Nov 27 14:28:51 * gi-el sends oppiz some sand, plastic and copper
Nov 27 14:28:54 <gi-el> that should do it
Nov 27 14:29:50 <NineX> Stephmw: for fun :>
Nov 27 14:30:53 <CM> tuukkah: Yes, buggfri :)
Nov 27 14:32:52 <NineX> univac: ave
Nov 27 14:33:13 <univac> elo
Nov 27 14:33:39 <cvdstap> btw besides the hardware issues with the power supply, what else is in the way for the official release ?
Nov 27 14:35:25 <tuukkah> CM, ett poppuppfönster vs. en popup-ruta?
Nov 27 14:35:59 <morricone> cvdstap, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011830.html
Nov 27 14:37:38 <cvdstap> tnx
Nov 27 14:38:24 <cvdstap> seems that the issues are managable
Nov 27 14:39:20 <torpor> yo: http://w1xer.de/bling.html
Nov 27 14:40:38 <_buz> somehow i'm sceptic of stuff coming from a domain named like that 
Nov 27 14:41:06 <ckuethe> there's a much more trustworthy mirror at http://goatse.cx ...
Nov 27 14:42:38 <gi-el> isn't that down? doesn't work here
Nov 27 14:42:57 <_buz> wiki says its been offline for a while now
Nov 27 14:43:18 <torpor> _buz: you don't like my domain?  then go to w1xer.at/bling.html instead. ;)
Nov 27 14:43:35 <_buz> theres no shortage of similarly icky sites tho
Nov 27 14:43:47 <torpor> _buz: mine isn't one of them.  
Nov 27 14:43:48 <torpor> ;)
Nov 27 14:46:29 <cvdstap> just wondering, would the moko be able to run eclipse ^^;
Nov 27 14:46:35 <torpor> yup
Nov 27 14:47:03 <cvdstap> how much memory does it have ?
Nov 27 14:47:37 <cvdstap> trying to find the hardware spec at the wiki :)
Nov 27 14:47:52 <kristian-m> cvdstap you plan to code java directly on the neo?
Nov 27 14:48:05 <kimnotyze> think it wouldnt be fun to run eclipse on the openmoko ^^
Nov 27 14:48:05 <torpor> 64megs
Nov 27 14:48:10 <cvdstap> was just wondering if it could handle it
Nov 27 14:48:14 <torpor> but the on you will buy will have 256megs and 800mhz.
Nov 27 14:48:18 <torpor> gta01 is slow and old.
Nov 27 14:48:23 <torpor> the one+
Nov 27 14:48:30 <_buz> you could always swap to sd card
Nov 27 14:48:34 <kristian-m> torpor like an old man ;)
Nov 27 14:48:36 <Stephmw> cvdstap: the hardware sure can
Nov 27 14:48:38 <torpor> i boot off SD right now .. 
Nov 27 14:48:39 <cvdstap> 256 megs.. should be enough, not much to spare but enough :)
Nov 27 14:48:51 <Stephmw> cvdstap: SavaJe ran on 32MB ram, 206MHz
Nov 27 14:49:00 <Stephmw> cvdstap: responsive, not blazing
Nov 27 14:49:05 <torpor> cvdstap: its plenty.  remember this is ARM you're running on.  not x86.  ABI bloat is not cross-platform!
Nov 27 14:49:23 <cvdstap> hmm cool, i def want one
Nov 27 14:49:58 <kimnotyze> nice
Nov 27 14:51:00 <cvdstap> 	 NOTE: qmake is Mickey's preferred build tool, it probably doesn't work if you're not him. Please use autotools...
Nov 27 14:51:01 <cvdstap> lol
Nov 27 14:51:14 <torpor> autotools is easy
Nov 27 14:51:23 <cvdstap> i know
Nov 27 14:51:27 <cvdstap> just the wiki is funny
Nov 27 14:53:00 <NineX> there is a difference betwen knowing the Path and walking the Path :>
Nov 27 14:53:32 <CM> tuukkah: Jag skulle säga en popup-ruta
Nov 27 14:55:06 <tuukkah> CM, det andra alternativet var från en finländsk ordbok så kan det lätt vara finlandssvenska eller helt påhittat
Nov 27 14:55:40 <dread> torpor: the new one will have 400 MHz, i htink - where did you get the 800 Mhz from? :-)
Nov 27 14:56:57 <kimnotyze> i was wondering, too... think the accu wouldnt like 800mhz for a long time ;-)
Nov 27 14:57:16 <kimnotyze> i want to use my phone more than 2 days ;-)
Nov 27 14:57:28 <CM> tuukkah: Min mamma eller mormor skulle kanske säga poppuppfönster ;)
Nov 27 14:57:55 <tuukkah> CM, wikipedia också :-)
Nov 27 14:58:15 <cjb_ie> wikipedia, till mammor och mormorer
Nov 27 14:58:15 * CM has a grandmother that just bought a new Vista laptop
Nov 27 14:58:46 <torpor> i heard it in here
Nov 27 14:59:08 <tuukkah> cjb_ie, hoppas inte till svensklärare!
Nov 27 15:00:09 <cjb_ie> varför inte :p
Nov 27 15:01:23 <tuukkah> så får jag icke-godkänt i provet och blir inte färdig ;-)
Nov 27 15:01:50 <CM> Hehe.. jobbigt
Nov 27 15:02:25 <Stephmw> [forward looking statements from people in this channel are of a speculative nature *only* and do not form a binding contract or release of confidential information]
Nov 27 15:02:39 <CM> A bit too heavy, but might be nice anyway: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wibrain-b1/wibrain-b1-hitting-us-stores-next-month-326764.php
Nov 27 15:03:27 <tuukkah> heavy as in weight?
Nov 27 15:05:05 <tuukkah> interesting. but how long does the battery last?
Nov 27 15:08:44 <CM> tuukkah: Probably 2h or something like that.. It always seems to be bad..
Nov 27 15:09:13 <tuukkah> CM, yeah, with specs like that
Nov 27 15:10:45 <CM> A later version with SSD and GPS would sell better
Nov 27 15:12:07 <tuukkah> are fuel cells or other better power solutions becoming mainstream?
Nov 27 15:13:29 <CM> Not any time soon
Nov 27 15:15:57 <tuukkah> CM, would you pronounce the first 'u' in "subrutin" as /a/ or /u/ ?
Nov 27 15:17:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1033 has been created by olaf(AT)uni-paderborn.de
Nov 27 15:17:01 <cdbot2> * * display locker does'nt work with swapped orientation
Nov 27 15:17:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1033
Nov 27 15:17:06 <CM> tuukkah: As the english "subway" u and the last utin as in Putin :)
Nov 27 15:18:07 <tuukkah> CM, i have no idea how the world pronounces Putin =) do you know IPA?
Nov 27 15:18:13 <CM> tuukkah: Not an u sounding like "foot", that u is in finish
Nov 27 15:18:50 <CM> tuukkah: U as in full, or bull or hull :)
Nov 27 15:19:30 <tuukkah> CM, a short one? or a long one as in ful?
Nov 27 15:20:01 <CM> subrutin would have a short one, like subway in both u's actually
Nov 27 15:20:03 <borg_> mickeyl: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1033
Nov 27 15:20:04 <borg_> bbl
Nov 27 15:21:09 <tuukkah> CM, oh right, and stress on the end -tin?
Nov 27 15:21:49 <CM> Yes, longer i, like "teen" :)
Nov 27 15:23:32 <tuukkah> ok i think i got it know, couldn't really guess
Nov 27 15:23:34 <tuukkah> thanks!
Nov 27 15:23:44 <CM> Inga problem :)
Nov 27 15:24:45 <tuukkah> is that the plural form of your name ?-)
Nov 27 15:25:12 <tuukkah> a kind of umlaut ;-)
Nov 27 15:28:16 <ScaredyCat> wtf!
Nov 27 15:28:20 <ScaredyCat> subrutin ?
Nov 27 15:28:25 <ScaredyCat> subroutine
Nov 27 15:28:26 <ScaredyCat> ?
Nov 27 15:28:37 * Sp33d3v1l3r waves
Nov 27 15:29:14 <tuukkah> ScaredyCat, subroutine is in swedish subrutin
Nov 27 15:29:24 <ScaredyCat> ahhhh...
Nov 27 15:29:49 <ScaredyCat> i'm in ur codez stealin ur vowelz
Nov 27 15:30:12 <ScaredyCat> exceptz ur ewez
Nov 27 15:30:21 <ScaredyCat> and eyz
Nov 27 15:30:27 <tuukkah> i'm turning this channel into swedish as i have an upcoming test which i need to pass to get my diploma
Nov 27 15:30:44 <SpeedEvil> Is it a urine test?
Nov 27 15:30:59 <ScaredyCat> hheheh
Nov 27 15:31:40 <tuukkah> fortunately i already passed the english test so i don't care about that anymore ;-)
Nov 27 15:31:54 <ScaredyCat> it shows :P
Nov 27 15:31:58 <cvdstap> lol
Nov 27 15:41:03 <flexd> tuukkah: i'l help you wish swedish talking (im norwegian though), if you help me prepare for my "ikt fagprøve" exam (basically setup a win2k3 server with stuffs :p)
Nov 27 15:41:09 <flexd> I'l talk swedish/norwegain
Nov 27 15:41:15 <flexd> and you reply with ways to setup the server
Nov 27 15:41:16 <flexd> sound good?
Nov 27 15:41:41 <flexd> I'l take that as a no :(
Nov 27 15:41:44 <tuukkah> flexd %-)
Nov 27 15:42:27 <tuukkah> i don't know if i've ever even seen a win2k3 server
Nov 27 15:42:33 <flexd> rargh
Nov 27 15:42:38 <flexd> i wish it was a linux test
Nov 27 15:42:41 <flexd> but sadly.. :/
Nov 27 15:43:23 <tuukkah> diploma requirements suck :-(
Nov 27 15:44:01 <CM> ~curse flexd 
Nov 27 15:44:02 <apt> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, flexd !
Nov 27 15:44:16 <CM> flexd: I was only trying to be nice! :D
Nov 27 15:44:20 <flexd> Could we reincarnate me as a linux administrator
Nov 27 15:44:23 <flexd> cause i'm already a XP person :(
Nov 27 15:44:39 <nbd> so you're in hell already, good :)
Nov 27 15:44:43 <CM> Hehe
Nov 27 15:44:57 <ScaredyCat> apt still stuck I see
Nov 27 15:45:02 <thresh> ORLY?
Nov 27 15:45:20 <nbd> ~curse apt
Nov 27 15:45:20 <apt> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, apt !
Nov 27 15:45:29 <ScaredyCat> hahahah 
Nov 27 15:45:32 * ScaredyCat pokes CM
Nov 27 15:45:45 <tuukkah> okej, vi behöver anordna en kurs xp klinik
Nov 27 15:45:56 <CM> ScaredyCat: Hehe, finally!
Nov 27 15:57:37 <cvdstap> \o/ almost going home time
Nov 27 16:04:30 <cvdstap> bye all
Nov 27 16:29:50 <CIA-14> 03sameo * r3520 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/ (7 files): 
Nov 27 16:29:50 <CIA-14> ar6k-atheros: Patches cleanup.
Nov 27 16:29:50 <CIA-14> With this patch cleanup round, we should be ready for a 1.1 FW.
Nov 27 16:29:50 <CIA-14> Multi-block SDIO transfer may still be an issue though.
Nov 27 16:32:08 <CIA-14> 03sameo * r3521 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/gta02_wifi_defconfig: 
Nov 27 16:32:08 <CIA-14> ar6k-atheros: Specific wifi kernel config file.
Nov 27 16:32:08 <CIA-14> Will need to be eventually merged with the main gta02 kernel defconfig.
Nov 27 16:32:08 <CIA-14> IPv6 is disabled for now as it is causing an oops atm.
Nov 27 16:36:32 <dread> 1.1 FW.
Nov 27 16:36:48 <dread> uhm..sorry, wrong cut&paste :P
Nov 27 16:40:36 <flexd> oopses are bad!
Nov 27 16:49:02 <matsch> Does anybody know, whether fic 1973 openmoko will support the bluetooth sim access profile (SAP)
Nov 27 16:50:01 <CM> matsch: If bluez does it, it will
Nov 27 16:50:31 <CM> matsch: Maybe XorA knows
Nov 27 16:50:38 <mjr> neo's GSM chip is wired physically to the SIM, you can't do soft-SIM afaik
Nov 27 16:51:11 <Stephmw> what is SAP used for?
Nov 27 16:51:18 <Shoragan> there may be some support in the GSM-firmware for SAP
Nov 27 16:52:06 <matsch> That means SAP won't work with the neo?
Nov 27 16:52:37 <Shoragan> not right now
Nov 27 16:54:25 <matsch> Too bad, but there might be ways to make it work?
Nov 27 16:55:00 <Shoragan> it depends on the GSM firmware, i don't know if it is implemented there
Nov 27 16:55:24 <CM> matsch: What is it you want to do with it?
Nov 27 16:55:33 <Shoragan> SAP is rather low priority at the moment
Nov 27 16:57:18 <matsch> Well, I would like to have easy connectability in my car. I guess, it will be difficult to get proper connection hardware for most cars.
Nov 27 16:58:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1034 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com
Nov 27 16:58:01 <cdbot2> * * No return status for lgsm_pin 
Nov 27 16:58:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1034
Nov 27 16:59:36 <Writchie> matsch: there is no provision at present for remoting the SIM. 
Nov 27 17:02:31 <matsch> I understand this, but I don't see much provision for support for the neo 1973 on th car side either.
Nov 27 17:02:45 <Writchie> matsch: in the future we can expect to see gsm modem chipsets support SIM transport as well transport of GSM upper layers through IPSEC. But since both of these are on the leading (bleeding) edge it will likely be years.
Nov 27 17:04:22 <Writchie> matsch: BT issues weren't a focus in the design, so some rather critical functions like waking up the neo over BT are missing. 
Nov 27 17:05:27 <Writchie> matsch: I would expect all of this to improve over time, a couple of years from all will be fine.
Nov 27 17:05:38 <Writchie> s/from/from now/
Nov 27 17:05:39 <apt> Writchie meant: matsch: I would expect all of this to improve over time, a couple of years from now all will be fine.
Nov 27 17:06:44 <matsch> So maybe I get this wrong, but the a currently like 10 mobile phones available supporting this feature.
Nov 27 17:06:44 <mjr> Calling it "critical" sounds a bit like crying wolf where there's a german shepherd. It's important for some users, and a bummer, to be sure, but "critical", piffles.
Nov 27 17:09:43 <PBeck> hi
Nov 27 17:10:22 <Writchie> mjr: in the context of BT profiles related to auto's, i.e. the context of the question and response, it's critical or what anyone would describe as a validation failure. It's also critical to BT headset. It's not critical to using neo1973 for playing games or making phone calls tethered to a linux PC. 
Nov 27 17:11:18 <mjr> and for a load of other things, but car point taken
Nov 27 17:11:39 <Stephmw> hi edistar 
Nov 27 17:11:56 <edistar> Stephmw: hi:)
Nov 27 17:12:10 <mjr> (though I don't see how it's critical for cars either, I don't know much about car use)
Nov 27 17:12:29 <Writchie> mjr: shortcomings are always expected in early designs. The important thing is to recognize verification and validation failures so they don't happen in future product. 
Nov 27 17:12:57 <mjr> yeah of course, I'm not saying it's not a problem and that it shouldn't be fixed
Nov 27 17:13:00 <Writchie> press a button on the car to make a call with voice dialing. the phone is in the purse. you have to wak the phone. 
Nov 27 17:13:05 <Writchie> s/wak/wake/
Nov 27 17:13:06 <apt> Writchie meant: press a button on the car to make a call with voice dialing. the phone is in the purse. you have to wake the phone. 
Nov 27 17:13:45 <mjr> Okay, I can see that. My first impression about car use was that it'd be on the dashboard readily wakeuppable
Nov 27 17:14:07 <Writchie> pluggin a mobile device into something is last resort. 
Nov 27 17:14:46 <Writchie> preferably done only once a day when you go to sleep. 
Nov 27 17:14:58 <mjr> *nod*
Nov 27 17:15:18 <mjr> well, here's hopin' OM/FIC do well and future generations will blow our minds
Nov 27 17:15:46 <_buz> that's sort of a feedback loop
Nov 27 17:17:35 <Writchie> mjr: I hope they do well - pioneers always take the arrows in the back.
Nov 27 17:18:06 <Stephmw> and early adopters usually pick up the soap
Nov 27 17:24:50 <CVirus> Why doesn't FIC give dates ?
Nov 27 17:26:23 <edistar> CVirus: what for?
Nov 27 17:26:27 <mjr> they don't know
Nov 27 17:27:22 <CVirus> edistar: for anything ?
Nov 27 17:27:29 <edistar> CVirus: ok ;)
Nov 27 17:30:38 <Stephmw> CVirus: because the risk of slippage is too high
Nov 27 17:30:50 <CVirus> hmm
Nov 27 17:30:52 <Stephmw> CVirus: they've learned from others: Don't announce unless you're *damn* certain
Nov 27 17:31:02 <CVirus> hehe
Nov 27 17:31:08 <mjr> well, from themselves, really
Nov 27 17:31:10 <Stephmw> the press tear you apart otherwise
Nov 27 17:31:14 <CVirus> I'm dying for a Neo
Nov 27 17:31:35 <edistar> CVirus: me too..
Nov 27 17:35:53 <Stephmw> and me... but gadget fund is dry for this year
Nov 27 17:55:00 <ksirot> hey guys
Nov 27 17:57:25 <edistar> hi
Nov 27 17:59:08 <CIA-14> 03thomas * r3522 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c): 
Nov 27 17:59:08 <CIA-14> * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (pb_msghandler):
Nov 27 17:59:08 <CIA-14> Fix for change in gsmd api: GSMD_PHONEBOOK_GET_IMSI -> GSMD_PHONE_GET_IMSI
Nov 27 18:01:05 <edistar> I always thought the wifi driver was finished already..
Nov 27 18:11:44 <flexd> edistar: you thought wrong it seems
Nov 27 18:11:52 <edistar> flexd: yes
Nov 27 18:42:35 <slider> i'v got trouble building webkit with the openmoko-devel-image via mokomakefile. logfile: http://pastebin.com/m4e4545c4 any hints? :)
Nov 27 18:50:48 <IfChinsCouldKill> Is it possible to execute xrandr -o 1 in qemu?
Nov 27 18:52:05 <zecke> IfChinsCouldKill: why do you think it is not?
Nov 27 18:52:53 <IfChinsCouldKill> When I type it in the terminal basically nothing happens
Nov 27 18:52:58 <mjr> when I tried that, many many many months ago, it did nothing
Nov 27 18:54:17 <IfChinsCouldKill> Like the emulated powerbutton with [space] I thought the lock display menu thing should pop up but it somehow is just antoher way to select an entry.
Nov 27 19:22:19 <enjahova> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071127-verizon-opens-up-will-support-any-device-any-app-on-its-network.html
Nov 27 19:23:52 <edistar> enjahova: what does that mean? that you can build your own gsm chip?
Nov 27 19:24:18 <enjahova> edistar, i don't think so, its more along the lines of wifi
Nov 27 19:24:25 <enjahova> or internet connectivity
Nov 27 19:24:39 <edistar> enjahova: ah, ok... but will connection be free?
Nov 27 19:24:55 <enjahova> edistar, no, it will probably be whatever the normal verizon data connection costs
Nov 27 19:25:07 <enjahova> the plus side is that anything, including openmoko could connect to it
Nov 27 19:25:09 <edistar> it's not even open..
Nov 27 19:25:20 <enjahova> it doesn't have to be
Nov 27 19:25:20 <edistar> you need to be licenced and pay money..
Nov 27 19:25:30 <enjahova> think of it as a different type of cable internet
Nov 27 19:25:37 <enjahova> that comes from cell phone towers
Nov 27 19:25:39 <edistar> I know, but they advertize it as open
Nov 27 19:25:49 <enjahova> its the same as building a cable modem
Nov 27 19:25:55 <Writchie> well since verizon is CDMA you can start by forking over about $20K for the mobile standards. 
Nov 27 19:26:01 <edistar> enjahova: yeah..
Nov 27 19:26:24 <edistar> Writchie: thats the point.. it will be opened
Nov 27 19:26:28 <enjahova> well i don't particularly trust them. but they did say they will publish the technical specs
Nov 27 19:26:31 <tuukkah> edistar, unfortunately "open" doesn't have one official definition in this context
Nov 27 19:26:33 <edistar> Writchie: as far as I could see quickly
Nov 27 19:26:44 <edistar> tuukkah: yes :(
Nov 27 19:27:08 <tuukkah> not having to pay for the connection would be silly
Nov 27 19:27:13 <Writchie> the technical specs for the network are already largely public - but y ou have to pay large sums fo them. 
Nov 27 19:27:49 <tuukkah> being able to deploy phones and software without asking them is just prudent
Nov 27 19:28:10 <Writchie> like $313 for an addendum that corrects errors.
Nov 27 19:28:11 <enjahova> Writchie, i'm not following... they say all you need to do is submit the device for certification
Nov 27 19:28:25 <edistar> microsoft is supporting it? can't be good then..
Nov 27 19:29:46 <enjahova> i bet google does too though
Nov 27 19:29:56 <edistar> enjahova: yeah.. doesn't make it better :P
Nov 27 19:30:12 <Writchie> this is largely a marketing move - IMHO they have no choice or they will begin to loose huge market share to AT&T and t-mobile GSM.
Nov 27 19:30:15 <enjahova> does CDMA require extra hardware to connect?
Nov 27 19:30:25 <edistar> enjahova: yep
Nov 27 19:30:46 <enjahova> oh ok, so its competitor to GSM
Nov 27 19:30:51 <enjahova> doesn't most of the rest of the world use 
Nov 27 19:30:52 <Writchie> yes
Nov 27 19:30:53 <enjahova> GSM?
Nov 27 19:30:58 <edistar> yes
Nov 27 19:31:12 <edistar> I think in europe most people will use UMTS soon, also for telephoning
Nov 27 19:31:20 <Writchie> GSM 2.5 billion CDMA 350 million
Nov 27 19:31:37 <Writchie> mostly in US but some in South Korea and parts of China
Nov 27 19:31:47 <enjahova> i heard japan too
Nov 27 19:32:02 <Writchie> japan is a different standard
Nov 27 19:32:10 <Writchie> IIRC
Nov 27 19:32:41 <edistar> why are there so many different standards :(
Nov 27 19:32:58 <Writchie> less now than before
Nov 27 19:33:03 <edistar> yeah
Nov 27 19:33:09 <Writchie> GSM united dozens of the earlier ones
Nov 27 19:33:22 <edistar> is umts similar to cdma?
Nov 27 19:33:23 <Writchie> around a digital TDMA
Nov 27 19:33:31 <Writchie> UMTS is evolution of GSM
Nov 27 19:33:47 <edistar> what is better?
Nov 27 19:34:13 <Writchie> better depends on better for who and for what.
Nov 27 19:34:34 <Writchie> Wideband CDMA is the radio technology used in 3G networks
Nov 27 19:35:07 <Writchie> WCMDA has many advantages over TDMA. 
Nov 27 19:35:12 <edistar> isn't umts 3g too?
Nov 27 19:35:37 <Writchie> UMTS is 3G
Nov 27 19:35:57 <edistar> ok
Nov 27 19:36:05 <mjr> you shouldn't talk tech with Gs, they're marketing terms
Nov 27 19:36:30 * edistar doesn't know much about anything.. just wonders ;)
Nov 27 19:37:20 <gi-el> Gs annoy me
Nov 27 19:37:26 <gi-el> third generation what!
Nov 27 19:37:32 <gi-el> too little info! ;)
Nov 27 19:38:19 <gi-el> and then there's the bullshit with .5 Gs... what is half a generation!
Nov 27 19:38:29 <rcostine> One guy here in the office has Verizon's EVDO wireless, he gets speeds comparable to a low-end DSL connection ( like 700Kbps down 350Kbps up). From what I can tell any GPRS sucks in comparison.
Nov 27 19:38:44 <mjr> rcostine, correct
Nov 27 19:39:14 <Writchie> and some HSDPA is mult-megabit
Nov 27 19:39:17 <edistar> gprs is super slow, but for a mobile it's alright..
Nov 27 19:39:28 <abraxa__> Who wants Verizon? ;p
Nov 27 19:39:58 <gi-el> hsdpa is very nice
Nov 27 19:40:07 <gi-el> until it gets too crowded, i suppose
Nov 27 19:40:32 <edistar> good night
Nov 27 19:41:48 <rcostine> we're temporarily using cable for our business connection (static ip, etc). the modem frequently (like once a week or so) craps out, sometimes something happens at comcast, whatever - he switches over to his EVDO connection like nothing ever happened. :-)
Nov 27 19:42:16 <rcostine> it's a nice backup.
Nov 27 19:42:38 <rcostine> makes me want to switch from Cingular, just for that.
Nov 27 19:50:25 <abraxa_> rcostine: Until the day you're leaving north America.
Nov 27 19:56:09 <rcostine> abraxa_: right. tho, the last time i was out of the country was in 1999. That wouldn't be a major show stopper for me. Most people here get better coverage w/ VZ, although Cingular is way better than they used to be (like circa 2004).
Nov 27 20:00:00 <NineX> any one know how in qemu pres aux button?
Nov 27 20:01:24 <abraxa_> NineX: Enter or Tab I think
Nov 27 20:01:27 <abraxa_> err enter or space
Nov 27 20:01:51 <balrog-kun> Enter, but only when usb keyboard is disconnected
Nov 27 20:02:00 <NineX> damn
Nov 27 20:02:08 <NineX> i have usb keyboart
Nov 27 20:02:39 <balrog-kun> you can use usb_del in the monitor
Nov 27 20:03:07 <balrog-kun> though i'm not sure it will restore the original Enter and Space handling :/
Nov 27 20:04:24 <NineX> WIRLD
Nov 27 20:04:32 <ScaredyCat> blibble!
Nov 27 20:04:35 <NineX> QEMU DONT RESPOND FOR USB KEYBOARD
Nov 27 20:04:51 <IfChinsCouldKill> Borg: http://home.arcor.de/finishlast/zeugs/mokobee.png
Nov 27 20:04:54 <IfChinsCouldKill> http://home.arcor.de/finishlast/zeugs/mokobee.zip
Nov 27 20:04:58 <IfChinsCouldKill> for the girls...
Nov 27 20:05:10 <IfChinsCouldKill> now sell that device already ;)
Nov 27 20:05:49 <daMaestro> NineX, so, enable usb
Nov 27 20:05:55 <daMaestro> -usb (or something like that)
Nov 27 20:36:10 <rtm> I have a problem with my neo.   I can make outgoing calls via the GUI, but when an incoming call is received, I get a ring, but regardless of which icon in the dialer GUI I click on, the call ends up in the "missed calls" list.   Has anyone else run across this behaviour?
Nov 27 21:29:03 <raster> boo
Nov 27 21:29:27 * abraxa_ faints
Nov 27 21:33:53 * CM yawns
Nov 27 21:34:19 * raster deflates
Nov 27 21:34:35 <CM> Eww... 
Nov 27 21:34:45 * CM covers his nose
Nov 27 21:35:32 <summatusmentis> verizon said they're gonna start letting 3rd party devices on their network!!! Neo may yet be able to cover cdma in the US
Nov 27 21:36:39 <buz> i would be really surprised if fic went CDMA
Nov 27 21:37:51 <summatusmentis> but... but... neo wasn't the right word. I'm kinda hoping fic releases a cdma device for GTA02 + 1
Nov 27 21:38:11 <buz> that would be rather stupid really
Nov 27 21:38:12 <buz> +
Nov 27 21:38:55 <summatusmentis> cdma is the most prevalent network in the US, so there's at least some market
Nov 27 21:39:58 <starox_> Where is the market for openmoko ? Where are fic-gta01 users ?
Nov 27 21:40:23 <ixian_probe> summatusmentis: but, is the cdma an _open_ market? and is the cdma an _future_ market?
Nov 27 21:40:41 <ixian_probe> open= free market, not open as in source ^_^
Nov 27 21:40:59 <summatusmentis> ixian_probe: verizon is getting ready to allow 3rd party devices, and they're not going anywhere anytime soon in the US
Nov 27 21:41:12 <summatusmentis> in the rest of the world, I know that it's not nearly prevalent
Nov 27 21:41:14 <Mononoke> I wouldn't say that US market is target, you know falling economy who would care..
Nov 27 21:41:31 <balrog-kun> ixian_probe: is current gsm more open than cdma?
Nov 27 21:41:53 <balrog-kun> i see no reason to not support both and even more standards
Nov 27 21:42:10 <NineX> damn on qemu enter and space as power and aux works only with u-boot or i have something fucked up
Nov 27 21:42:17 <roh> balrog-kun i dunno about licensing, but the market is much smaller
Nov 27 21:42:50 <ixian_probe> balrog-kun: I don't know.. I do suspect that the entry cost for an gsm device might be lower, but that's just idle & unfounded speculation. 
Nov 27 21:42:51 <roh> NineX the uboot only does io, no irqs afaik.,. could be plain broken in the emu and only work in uboot thus.
Nov 27 21:43:33 <balrog-kun> roh: i don't know about market but if they can make a cdma or other phones without many modification it should be too expensive and should be rentable even on very small markets
Nov 27 21:43:38 <ixian_probe> balrog-kun: but my main point is that there might be other conciderations involved than the current market situation.
Nov 27 21:44:05 <balrog-kun> err, shouldn't
Nov 27 21:44:06 <roh> ixian_probe also i do not have heard of any cdma-carrier issuing u-RIM (the pedant to sim on gsm) to customers. they all use devices which have a fixed built in rim and are provisioned by the carrier
Nov 27 21:44:31 <NineX> how to make space work as aux and enter as power in openmoko runing on qemu?
Nov 27 21:44:49 <roh> balrog-kun making cdma would mean completeely redesigning the whole 'modem' .. i do not see that happening for gta02. i rather see the us going 3g like the rest of the planet
Nov 27 21:45:30 <roh> NineX please file a bug against qemu. i really suspect it is a bug as more as i think about it
Nov 27 21:46:36 <balrog-kun> i don't know much about hardware but i think the modem part is a one whole and any modification to it means changing the whole modem, so it wouldn't be too difficult to probably make a couple of very similar models just with different modems in them (i dunno though)
Nov 27 21:47:08 <balrog-kun> NineX: are you sure there's no usb virtual keyboard? what does info usb show?
Nov 27 21:47:28 <buz> balrog-kun: thats what i understand, but in any case, there IS gsm in the us so i dont think fic would or should bother
Nov 27 21:47:36 <buz> they should however fix quadband
Nov 27 21:48:36 <balrog-kun> yea..
Nov 27 21:49:47 <NineX> balrog-kun: yes i'm sure
Nov 27 21:50:03 <ixian_probe> balrog-kun: .... factory retooling costs are astronomical... It probably would be cheaper to make an single device with several legacy systems on the same board. But regardless of this I doubt that any cdma carrier would even consider selling/allowing anyone other than an large corporation access.
Nov 27 21:50:28 <balrog-kun> NineX: ok, then a bugreport would be nice
Nov 27 21:51:24 <NineX> but it seems that is not qemu bug
Nov 27 21:51:45 <NineX> uboot reacting for space and enter only linux not
Nov 27 21:51:48 <ixian_probe> oh well.... I'm just an ignorant user waiting on the GTAV2, so I'm probably wrong. ^_^
Nov 27 21:52:01 <balrog-kun> NineX: if there's evtest in the rootfs you can check if linux gets the keypress events at all
Nov 27 21:52:21 <NineX> balrog-kun: how?
Nov 27 21:53:03 <balrog-kun> i don't remember, i think "evtest /dev/input/eventN" where N is some number
Nov 27 21:53:06 <yesi> yo
Nov 27 21:54:05 * balrog-kun should try it myself
Nov 27 21:57:50 <jens> hi
Nov 27 21:58:23 <jens> how can i change the screen orientation? didnt find anything in the wiki
Nov 27 21:59:32 <dread> with the aux-button :) press it and a litte menu should appear
Nov 27 22:00:07 <jens> wow !!!!!!! its really so easy and i couldnt find it ;)
Nov 27 22:00:08 <jens> thx
Nov 27 22:00:27 <dread> :-)
Nov 27 22:00:35 <NineX> dam
Nov 27 22:01:21 <fgau_> jens: or try this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Screen_Shots
Nov 27 22:03:42 <jens> i should have known to find it under "screen shots"...
Nov 27 22:03:49 <balrog-kun> NineX: it's entirely possible that there's a qemu bug 
Nov 27 22:06:29 <rtyler> anybody able to build from trunk lately?
Nov 27 22:06:40 <rtyler> the OE tree is breaking everything for me :( (on pkgconfig)
Nov 27 22:16:11 <ScaredyCat> $100 laptop is now the £100 laptop apparently
Nov 27 22:18:28 <Vegar> the XO?
Nov 27 22:20:08 <DukeOfURL> a $100 restaurant meal in the US is a £100 restaurant meal in the UK...
Nov 27 22:20:09 <ScaredyCat> yah
Nov 27 22:21:08 <ScaredyCat> not really DukeOfURL ... more like a $400 meal is £100
Nov 27 22:21:10 <balrog-kun> a $100 restaurant meal?! hopefully that's something yummy
Nov 27 22:22:09 <DukeOfURL> ScaredyCat: try it!  have a meal in NYC and then the same meal in London.  same price.
Nov 27 22:22:27 * rtyler gets his 'Offtopic bat'
Nov 27 22:22:35 <DukeOfURL> ok  ok
Nov 27 22:22:36 <Writchie> Universal exchange rate is cost of a pizza or two big macs.
Nov 27 22:22:43 <DukeOfURL> ok ok
Nov 27 22:23:00 <goodwill> hehehe
Nov 27 22:23:01 <DukeOfURL> nuf said
Nov 27 22:24:13 <ScaredyCat> DukeOfURL: how about Madison and Swindon
Nov 27 22:24:32 <rtyler> damnit, patrick left
Nov 27 22:24:48 <balrog-kun> pizza prices can be quite misleading compared to other food
Nov 27 22:24:55 <DukeOfURL> no, i'm talking about the typical restaurant in the west end
Nov 27 22:24:57 <ScaredyCat> Writchie: what size pizza ?
Nov 27 22:25:04 <rtyler> are any of you folks OpenEmbedded developers?
Nov 27 22:25:11 <Writchie> 14 inch chees
Nov 27 22:25:15 <ScaredyCat> DukeOfURL: well, that's not the same is it...
Nov 27 22:25:37 <Writchie> no reindeer meat 
Nov 27 22:25:49 <Writchie> ;)
Nov 27 22:25:57 <ixian_probe> ohh... reindeer meat.. *mmm*
Nov 27 22:26:13 <abraxa_> rtyler: If by "you" you mean "someone in this channel" then yes :)
Nov 27 22:26:19 <ScaredyCat> pizza hut Writchie ?
Nov 27 22:26:22 <ixian_probe> mushroom & reindeer meat stew.. ^_^
Nov 27 22:26:56 <rtyler> abraxa_: "you folks" == "someone in this channel" :)
Nov 27 22:26:58 <Writchie> there is usually pizza everywhere indepenent of chains
Nov 27 22:27:20 <abraxa_> rtyler: Does this imply that you have a question?
Nov 27 22:27:39 <NineX> good night folks
Nov 27 22:27:52 <abraxa_> Good morning, NineX
Nov 27 22:27:56 * NineX sets mode +sleep NineX
Nov 27 22:35:04 * Stephmw sets mode -sleep NineX 
Nov 27 22:36:08 <abraxa_> How mean
Nov 27 22:36:10 <abraxa_> :O
Nov 27 22:36:15 <Stephmw> :D
Nov 27 22:36:28 <Stephmw> just wanna see if it worked
Nov 27 22:41:20 <thomasg_> Stephmw: it only works with sound-hilighting :)
Nov 27 22:42:18 <Stephmw> thomasg_: ah well
Nov 27 22:42:29 <balrog-kun> or poke-with-stick-highlighting
Nov 27 22:43:25 <guerby> kewl bluetooth headset works with N800+OS2008 (both listening and recording)
Nov 27 22:43:46 <balrog-kun> wrong channel?
Nov 27 22:47:55 <guerby> balrog-kun, indeed sorry :)
Nov 27 22:47:55 <jadams_> hey hey hey
Nov 27 22:48:18 <balrog-kun> np
Nov 27 22:48:18 <guerby> balrog-kun, I still have to test openmoko GPRS+bluetooth with my N800 :)
Nov 27 22:48:27 <jadams_> ScaredyCat, around?
Nov 27 22:50:03 <cbrake> anyone else having trouble building kdrive?
Nov 27 22:51:17 <balrog-kun> cbrake: yes, i think there's a bug on bugzilla and even patches/solutions
Nov 27 22:52:02 <mmontour> cbrake: clean it and renderproto (I think) then try again
Nov 27 22:52:16 <cbrake> mmontour: thanks
Nov 27 22:54:14 <josch> I created a local overlay in my openembedded tree and inserted a new bitbake file
Nov 27 22:54:27 <josch> but it will only checkout correctly if I substitute
Nov 27 22:54:51 <josch> SRCREV_pn-python-gsmd = "${AUTOREV}" to SRCREV_pn-python-gsmd = "103"
Nov 27 22:55:00 <josch> else svn will fail to checkout
Nov 27 22:55:25 <josch> svn co -r ${AUTOREV} .... <= this gets executed
Nov 27 22:55:42 <abraxa_> josch: Is that related to the kdrive issue, are you asking how to fix this or...?
Nov 27 22:56:18 <josch> kdrive? no
Nov 27 22:56:37 <josch> I just want to know how to always check out the latest revision
Nov 27 22:56:49 <josch> if I set the revision manually everything works fine
Nov 27 22:56:56 <josch> how to do this automatically?
Nov 27 22:57:03 <abraxa_> You need to patch the bitbake svn fetcher if you want to use autorev
Nov 27 22:57:10 <josch> hrm...
Nov 27 22:57:17 <jadams_> anyone here using t-mobile for gprs?
Nov 27 22:57:17 <josch> how?
Nov 27 22:57:29 <jadams_> I had it working, but work got in the way and I haven't moko'ed for a solid month
Nov 27 22:57:39 <ScaredyCat> josch: ?= ${AUTOREV}
Nov 27 22:58:00 <ScaredyCat> jadams_: wassup
Nov 27 22:58:18 <abraxa_> josch: http://pastebin.com/md74ae3
Nov 27 22:58:25 <ScaredyCat> josch: ?= "${AUTOREV}"
Nov 27 22:58:33 <ScaredyCat> ie use the ?= not =
Nov 27 22:58:35 <abraxa_> josch: That's bitbake/lib/bb/fetch/svn.py
Nov 27 22:58:39 <jadams_> ScaredyCat, not a lot, just using your build and wanted to say thanks  :)
Nov 27 22:58:47 <ScaredyCat> :)
Nov 27 22:59:06 <ScaredyCat> no prbs... recent build ?
Nov 27 22:59:43 <jadams_> yeah
Nov 27 22:59:47 <jadams_> downloaded today
Nov 27 22:59:53 <jadams_> can't get gprs working, but it's not your fault
Nov 27 23:00:01 <ScaredyCat> ahh good, tried the screen lock ?
Nov 27 23:00:03 <jadams_> I'm following the wiki, and I'm using t-mobile, and I have unlimited gprs
Nov 27 23:00:20 <ScaredyCat> 'unlimited' ;)
Nov 27 23:00:42 <jadams_> ScaredyCat, awesome
Nov 27 23:00:49 <ScaredyCat> I nned to fiddle with the gprs stuff...
Nov 27 23:01:59 <josch> ScaredyCat, thx!!! that fixed it!
Nov 27 23:02:10 <jadams_> ScaredyCat, also, no cu?
Nov 27 23:02:32 <ScaredyCat> errm probably not :P
Nov 27 23:02:39 <ScaredyCat> np josch
Nov 27 23:03:59 <borg_> ScaredyCat: i have fixed the orientation bug
Nov 27 23:04:11 <borg_> and have you seen this theme?
Nov 27 23:04:11 <borg_> http://homepages.upb.de/olaf/dinge/openmoko/display_lock/moko_bees/mokobee.png
Nov 27 23:04:15 <ScaredyCat> excellent
Nov 27 23:04:16 <borg_> :)
Nov 27 23:04:31 <ScaredyCat> ya, made me lol
Nov 27 23:04:34 <borg_> :D
Nov 27 23:05:29 <Writchie> great - does it vibrate to give you a sting as you start to move it ;)
Nov 27 23:06:08 <ScaredyCat> someone did touch feedback with the vibration
Nov 27 23:06:40 <ScaredyCat> although, I'd rather have the battery life
Nov 27 23:08:40 <jens> my neo just went off... battery showed 50%. maybe the symbol was wrong and the battery is now empty!? how fast does it charge when it's turned off and connected to usb?
Nov 27 23:09:04 <jadams_> ScaredyCat, also, sound isn't working at all for me...
Nov 27 23:09:17 <ScaredyCat> :O
Nov 27 23:09:22 <ScaredyCat> really?
Nov 27 23:09:24 <ScaredyCat> :/
Nov 27 23:09:33 <ScaredyCat> tried the media player?
Nov 27 23:09:39 <jens> jadams_: try: killall pulseaudio
Nov 27 23:09:51 <josch> jens, don't believe in the battery icon - look at battvolt
Nov 27 23:10:12 <jens> it doesnt start up anymore
Nov 27 23:10:19 <josch> jens, just wait a bit
Nov 27 23:10:24 <jens> how long does it need to charge?
Nov 27 23:10:29 <josch> some say that you have to wait a few hours
Nov 27 23:10:38 <jens> damn
Nov 27 23:10:49 <jens> btw. where do i see the battvolt?
Nov 27 23:11:07 <abraxa_> josch: Does it not turn on anymore when you push the power button?
Nov 27 23:11:19 <abraxa_> err jens 
Nov 27 23:11:29 <jens> abraxa_:  correct
Nov 27 23:11:33 <josch> jens, just do find / -name battvolt to find it
Nov 27 23:11:59 <abraxa_> jens: In that case you might want to unplug USB, remove the battery for ~15 seconds, plug the battery back in and re-attach USB
Nov 27 23:12:13 <abraxa_> That way you assure that the amp and modem are turned off
Nov 27 23:12:18 <abraxa_> Otherwise the Neo won't really charge
Nov 27 23:12:21 * ScaredyCat sleeps
Nov 27 23:14:59 <jens> abraxa_:  doesn't work with both my batterys
Nov 27 23:15:14 <josch> jens, what batteries do you have?
Nov 27 23:15:39 <josch> jens, also consider to join #neo1973-germany :-)
Nov 27 23:15:56 <jens> josch: 1200mAh
Nov 27 23:16:10 <jens> josch: cool, didnt know that channel 
Nov 27 23:16:15 <josch> jens, two original FIC batteries?
Nov 27 23:16:30 <jens> josch: yes, sir
Nov 27 23:16:58 <josch> if one of them is charged then this is a strange error
Nov 27 23:17:37 <josch> do you have a bl-5c nokia battery to try?
Nov 27 23:19:07 <jens> josch: nope dont have another batt. both batterys seem to be empty... i try to leave it in usb over night
Nov 27 23:19:59 <josch> do that - it will work if you wake up tomorrow
Nov 27 23:20:08 <josch> s/if/when/
Nov 27 23:20:09 <apt> josch meant: do that - it will work when you wake up tomorrow
Nov 27 23:20:38 <jens> hope i WILL wake up ;)
Nov 27 23:24:00 <jens> \ set myself and my neo to sleep mode
Nov 27 23:24:54 <mokel> is the openmoko able to go to standby? i read some time ago this does not work, any news?
Nov 27 23:26:44 <josch> what does rdepends mean in my bb file? recursive depends??
Nov 27 23:26:55 <abraxa_> runtime depency
Nov 27 23:27:08 <abraxa_> The other is compile-time dependency
Nov 27 23:29:06 <josch> ah
Nov 27 23:29:08 <josch> thx
Nov 27 23:29:34 <mokel> does suspend work? like on normal mobilephones with gsm powered on only?
Nov 27 23:30:53 <abraxa_> mokel: Last I heard yes
Nov 27 23:31:08 <mokel> oh, nice
Nov 27 23:32:23 <Vegar> but gsm isn't able to wake it up yet
Nov 27 23:32:38 <mokel> ah, ok
Nov 27 23:33:04 <mokel> but suspend works, so you can save battery life without shutdown
Nov 28 00:21:22 <josch> what could be the right configure option for an app to cross compile on a openembedded overlay?
Nov 28 00:21:36 <josch> I tried armv4t as the host machine
Nov 28 00:22:18 <josch> but I get checking host system type... Invalid configuration `armv4t': machine `armv4t' not recognized
Nov 28 00:25:44 <josch> it is armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi
Nov 28 01:54:50 <CIA-14> 03werner * r3523 10/developers/werner/neocon/ (README neocon.c): 
Nov 28 01:54:50 <CIA-14> neocon.c (main): added "b:" (for the bps option) to "getopt"
Nov 28 01:54:50 <CIA-14> neocon.c (copy, usage, main), README: added option "-t delay_ms" to throttle
Nov 28 01:54:50 <CIA-14>  the input rate to one character every "delay_ms" milliseconds
Nov 28 02:50:49 <hozer> what is the status of GPRS? is it still use manuall stuff if you want it?
Nov 28 02:51:11 <hozer> (I guess what I mean is, does gsmd understand gprs connections yet)
Nov 28 02:54:33 <balrog> hozer: no, it doesn't
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