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Dec 05 03:10:38 <CIA-14> 03tick * r3567 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/libgsmd/libgsmd_passthrough.c: gsmd: decrease the rx_len for memcpy (Andrzej Zaborowski)
Dec 05 05:42:56 <CM> http://xkcd.com/353/
Dec 05 05:44:46 <Mononoke> =]
Dec 05 05:46:11 <moko-bunny> hehehe...I had to install like eleventy bazillion python packages to get pyroute up, but it's cool
Dec 05 06:05:42 <blindcoder> moin
Dec 05 06:28:15 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3568 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/: create 2.6.24 directory
Dec 05 06:29:47 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3569 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/: bring forward 2.6.23 patchset into 2.6.24
Dec 05 06:46:44 <mbuf> other than "ipkg install" is there any other way we can install an .ipk package? still having problem with remote ipkg package installation (ssh root@neo ipkg install foo) 
Dec 05 06:47:33 <mbuf> remote ipkg install segfaults
Dec 05 06:48:53 <xzcvczx> mbuf: why not just use scp to transfer it to the neo then install it
Dec 05 06:50:25 <mbuf> xzcvczx, i can scp the .ipk; i am trying to automate it through Anjuta: http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/index.php/Preity_Plugin_makefile_approach
Dec 05 06:51:03 <mbuf> xzcvczx, *Anjuta IDE; or i will need to ask the user to ssh into the phone and install it manually
Dec 05 06:52:03 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3570 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
Dec 05 06:52:03 <CIA-14> * remove patches that are in 2.6.24-rc4 mainline:
Dec 05 06:52:03 <CIA-14> D s3c2410-nand-include-fix.patch
Dec 05 06:52:03 <CIA-14> D asoc-kconfig-fix.patch
Dec 05 06:52:03 <CIA-14> D asoc-platform-hw_init-pcm_emulation-fix.patch
Dec 05 06:52:04 <CIA-14> D arm-atag-kexec.patch
Dec 05 06:52:06 <CIA-14> D fix-s3c2410fb-register-access.patch
Dec 05 06:54:49 <ewon> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=http:%2F%2Fwww.10xshot.com%2Ftest.kml&ie=UTF8&ll=34.020759,-118.451961&spn=0.007221,0.013046&t=h&z=16&om=1
Dec 05 06:55:06 <ewon> my walk to work, using gpsbabel to transform the raw logged nmea from my gps to kml
Dec 05 06:55:13 <ewon> something like this in realtime should be doable with the neo :)
Dec 05 06:55:18 <ewon> s/work/lunch/
Dec 05 06:57:29 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3571 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (6 files): 
Dec 05 06:57:29 <CIA-14> merge patches with 2.6.24-rc4 mainline, mostly kconfig and other minor
Dec 05 06:57:29 <CIA-14> syntactical patch hunk changes
Dec 05 07:35:37 <flexd_> ewon: didnt you say walk to work?
Dec 05 07:35:49 <flexd_> Max Speed 94.0 mph ? :P
Dec 05 07:38:09 <CM> flexd_: ewon is faster than you think ;)
Dec 05 07:38:34 <ewon> I'm uber-ewan \o/
Dec 05 07:39:06 <mbuf> has anyone tested the new alpha-toolchain? "om-conf openmoko-sample2" exits with configure error - "C compiler cannot create executables"
Dec 05 07:49:38 <no_mind> ping
Dec 05 07:49:46 <no_mind> someone tel me the venue for foss.in 
Dec 05 07:49:52 <no_mind> and how to reach the venue
Dec 05 07:50:34 <LaF0rge> no_mind: it's the J.N.TATA auditorium of the IISC (indian institute of science)
Dec 05 07:51:16 <no_mind> LaF0rge, hey
Dec 05 07:51:21 <no_mind> LaF0rge, good to see you
Dec 05 07:51:37 <no_mind> LaF0rge, i meant tell me the way to reach there, i am already on bangalore
Dec 05 07:51:39 <Batalyx> of my ongoing quest of compiling openmoko-devel-image: I now have a new computer, but the compilation dies as it did before. Computer stops to respond, and after a while, it's in console (drops X-windowing) and complains about virtual memory.
Dec 05 07:52:07 <Batalyx> next stop is to replace fedupra core with some decent linux distro :) (sorry fedora fans)
Dec 05 07:52:37 <CM> Batalyx: The only problems I've had is that packages fail to build
Dec 05 07:52:58 <CM> Lately psplash have been broken, but before that thing has worked well for months
Dec 05 07:53:11 <LaF0rge> no_mind: I don't really know, but riksha drivers usually know it  under the name of 'tata institute'
Dec 05 07:55:58 <LaF0rge> no_mind: where are you now?
Dec 05 07:56:31 <no_mind> I am at Kundanhalli in bangalore
Dec 05 07:56:44 <no_mind> LaF0rge, got the driving directions
Dec 05 07:57:27 <LaF0rge> hi jouston
Dec 05 07:57:41 <LaF0rge> no_mind: ok, i have somebody local next to me now in case you have further questions
Dec 05 07:57:59 <jouston> LaF0rge: Hi, how's going?
Dec 05 07:58:18 <LaF0rge> jouston: I'm fine, I wish I'd felt the same about openmook :/
Dec 05 08:00:17 <Batalyx> CM: the funny thing is, that I've managed to compile OM on the old computer.
Dec 05 08:00:37 <CM> Batalyx: Can it be some threading issue with bitbake then?
Dec 05 08:00:39 <jouston> LaF0rge: Hope you doing well.
Dec 05 08:00:42 <Batalyx> Then from some version afterwards, it just has not compiled.
Dec 05 08:00:59 <NineX> i just builded devel image using MokoMakefile
Dec 05 08:01:02 <NineX> but
Dec 05 08:01:05 <Batalyx> CM: I'll try, but could you help me suggestin what to look?
Dec 05 08:01:18 <NineX> neo dont ask me for pin
Dec 05 08:01:24 <CM> Batalyx: I'm trying to remember who else had that problem
Dec 05 08:01:42 <CM> NineX: Did you see that "workaround" that was posted to the devel mailinglist?
Dec 05 08:01:50 <NineX> no
Dec 05 08:01:58 <CM> Wait a sec
Dec 05 08:02:01 <NineX> CM: do you have link?
Dec 05 08:02:03 <NineX> ok
Dec 05 08:03:24 <CM> NineX: Follow that thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-December/001741.html
Dec 05 08:04:30 <CM> Hmm.. But that one was that the pin wasn't accepted.. Later in it thomas says the bug has been fixed..
Dec 05 08:05:17 <NineX> CM: yes bu tmy phone don't display pin dialog
Dec 05 08:05:55 <CM> NineX: Can you give the pin from the commandline using the gsmd-tool thing?
Dec 05 08:06:04 <NineX> yes
Dec 05 08:06:30 <NineX> but only using at commands
Dec 05 08:06:30 <CM> Then I guess there's a bug to be filed for the dialer
Dec 05 08:06:43 <NineX> AT+CPIN="4661"
Dec 05 08:06:47 <CM> For that specific version and all that
Dec 05 08:11:48 <CM> Batalyx: What program does your build fail on btw?
Dec 05 08:12:27 <Batalyx> if i'd know how to find that out, I'd tell you :(
Dec 05 08:12:28 <CM> Batalyx: Also, have you tried the tips in the wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Tips
Dec 05 08:12:47 <CM> But what happens? The whole computer locks?
Dec 05 08:13:26 <CM> Sounds like some kind of memory problem or so maybe. Tried running memtest on it?
Dec 05 08:13:48 <Batalyx> Yes with tips and without. The computer just comes unresponsive, that's real sluggish. Then it kills X, then the console is full of virtual memory complains.
Dec 05 08:14:11 <CM> ~blame feodora
Dec 05 08:14:12 * apt blames feodora (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
Dec 05 08:14:17 <Batalyx> CM: Yes, memtest got through. This is a new computer, and the problem is the same.
Dec 05 08:14:26 <Batalyx> I do blame fedora :)
Dec 05 08:14:30 <CM> :D
Dec 05 08:14:37 <CIA-14> 03tick * r3572 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 2 dirs): gsmd: add "RING" timeout scheme, for those modem not have %CPI (like) supports (Andrzej Zaborowski)
Dec 05 08:15:45 <Batalyx> I'm just a bit surprised there's no one else developing with fedora. Maybe they use a more recent version. This is FC6
Dec 05 08:19:06 <XorA> Batalyx: 99% of time memtest will show perfect results, but RAM is bad
Dec 05 08:19:25 <XorA> Basheri: and I know a guy uses FC and has no problems
Dec 05 08:19:37 <XorA> Batalyx: ^^ was for you
Dec 05 08:21:55 <CoreDump> wasn't there this 10kb .c file that required like 2GB of RAM to compile? Maybe you are hitting a similar bomb heh
Dec 05 08:22:30 <Batalyx> XorA: we did keep it running for days :)
Dec 05 08:23:04 <Batalyx> and the computer is now a different one, but I'm not sure if the memory is. I would think so.
Dec 05 08:24:37 <Batalyx> And both the computers have four GB of memory. Though if 10k source needs 2GB, I wouldn't be surprised if it needed 4GB too :)
Dec 05 08:29:25 <buz> XorA: i've seen memtest catch broken memory twice
Dec 05 08:29:40 <buz> the next crash when it didnt find anything turned out to be a faulty psu
Dec 05 08:30:51 <XorA> buz: a long compile like OE catches far more RAM problems than memtest :-)
Dec 05 08:31:09 <buz> yeah i used to use freebsd make world for system burn in
Dec 05 08:31:14 <XorA> buz: especially when you go made with -j 4 etc
Dec 05 08:31:56 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1072 has been created by willie_chen(AT)openmoko.com
Dec 05 08:31:59 <cdbot2> * * Add NOR flash test and integtation
Dec 05 08:32:01 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1072
Dec 05 08:32:09 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1073 has been created by renatox(AT)gmail.com
Dec 05 08:32:11 <cdbot2> * * Bug when add a widget using the gtk container function
Dec 05 08:32:13 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1073
Dec 05 08:32:21 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1074 has been created by ian(AT)darwinsys.com
Dec 05 08:32:23 <cdbot2> * * Change Root Password
Dec 05 08:32:25 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1074
Dec 05 08:32:30 <buz> cdbot2 seems to have some lag :P
Dec 05 08:32:32 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1075 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com
Dec 05 08:32:34 <cdbot2> * * libgsmd-tool will crash under atcmd mode
Dec 05 08:32:36 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1075
Dec 05 08:32:44 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1076 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com
Dec 05 08:32:44 <CoreDump> I had to restart it
Dec 05 08:32:46 <cdbot2> * * extrsp_parse() get confused when the last filed of input is number
Dec 05 08:32:48 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1076
Dec 05 08:32:56 <cdbot2> * * Flood control triggered, clearing queue...
Dec 05 08:33:00 <cdbot2> * * [160] pending messages removed.
Dec 05 08:33:42 <CM> memtest do find stuff, but you have to let it run for a long time, over night at least
Dec 05 08:35:22 <CoreDump> anyone compiling with a quadcore?
Dec 05 08:35:39 <CoreDump> how many threads do you use? -j6?
Dec 05 08:35:49 <CM> Not me, but I think there are
Dec 05 08:35:55 <Batalyx> I
Dec 05 08:36:12 <CM> Batalyx: Naaa, you fail to compile with a quad core ;)
Dec 05 08:36:13 <Batalyx> I've tried with "-j1" to "-j6", with same results.
Dec 05 08:36:33 <CoreDump> I seriously doubt that
Dec 05 08:36:52 <Batalyx> I'd like to have a quad core ;)
Dec 05 08:36:54 <CoreDump> even -j3 on a quadcore made a huge difference when I tried it
Dec 05 08:36:56 <CM> CoreDump: It's because his comp locks up
Dec 05 08:37:02 <CoreDump> CM: oh, lol
Dec 05 08:37:25 * CoreDump is expecting his quadcore today
Dec 05 08:37:45 <cjb_ie> CM: are you sure it doesn't lock up faster with different -j ? :)
Dec 05 08:37:57 <Batalyx> CoreDump: congrats :)
Dec 05 08:38:06 <CoreDump> thanks =)
Dec 05 08:38:37 <CoreDump> I came to notice that compiling the linux kernel in a loop is a good test for system stability
Dec 05 08:38:46 <CoreDump> (ie: when overclocking)
Dec 05 08:38:50 <Batalyx> Well, but it's a nice benchmark: how fast to compile OM from scratch.
Dec 05 08:39:14 <CM> I think roh said it took around 4.5h on his comp
Dec 05 08:39:45 <CM> When it takes around 12 on mine (amd64 3000+ 1gb ram)
Dec 05 08:39:46 <Batalyx> I think the old computer managed to do somthing quite similar, way back in October when it still did compile...
Dec 05 08:39:56 <Batalyx> ...or 6h...
Dec 05 08:40:14 <CoreDump> takes forever on my laptop
Dec 05 08:40:30 <CoreDump> yay for over-night build jobs ;)
Dec 05 08:41:37 <Batalyx> I did think of trying to compile OM on my 1,2G iBook. Then happily I managed to read the docs first :)
Dec 05 08:43:39 <Batalyx> Let's see, I'll try the compilation again to see, where it hangs up. So brb...
Dec 05 08:45:18 <Batalyx> starts with pixman... (task 497 of 5065)
Dec 05 08:48:11 <Batalyx> hey, why didn't i think it before! if it just interrupts the compilation, it continues from the point where it stopped! am I dumb or what... so now just after a few big crashes, it should have built the whoole...(keyboard starrts to respond sluggishly).. thing...
Dec 05 08:51:42 <CoreDump> lol
Dec 05 08:52:02 <Batalyx> ok, it started to compile pixman (task 497 of 5065) and is now unresponsive
Dec 05 08:52:30 <Batalyx> oh, the msg did come through ... :)
Dec 05 08:53:10 <torpor> yo
Dec 05 08:53:16 <Batalyx> the cpu usage is not on top, but memory usage is.
Dec 05 08:53:36 <torpor> woot!  gcc onboard == great fun!
Dec 05 08:57:12 <CM> torpor: Hehe, cool
Dec 05 08:57:20 <torpor> doh!  no as
Dec 05 08:57:20 <CoreDump> ugh, TPB is down
Dec 05 08:57:23 <torpor> where is as!
Dec 05 08:57:30 <torpor> here as, here as
Dec 05 08:58:54 <Batalyx> now the cpu's fully loaded too
Dec 05 09:00:40 <Batalyx> I think I'll just nag the support guys until they allow me to install some other distro to this computer...
Dec 05 09:01:13 <CoreDump> Batalyx: or try a debian chroot
Dec 05 09:02:05 <Batalyx> good idea
Dec 05 09:02:36 <torpor> or use vmware/parallels
Dec 05 09:11:26 <CM> ~lart broken bitbaker recipies in openmoko for still being around
Dec 05 09:11:26 * apt puts broken bitbaker recipies in openmoko through a wood chipper for still being around
Dec 05 09:11:37 * CM gets coffee
Dec 05 09:15:45 <torpor> oh man
Dec 05 09:15:54 <torpor> i just compiled a gtk app on the neo! :)
Dec 05 09:15:56 <torpor> w00t!
Dec 05 09:16:37 <ewon> *on* the neo?
Dec 05 09:16:42 <ewon> how long did that take?
Dec 05 09:17:46 <borg_> cool
Dec 05 09:18:08 <torpor> about 10 seconds!
Dec 05 09:18:21 <borg_> so i guess it was a hello world app? ;)
Dec 05 09:19:35 <Xx13> selfhosted? ;)
Dec 05 09:19:58 <torpor> all onboard the neo!
Dec 05 09:20:12 <torpor> and no, its a gtk app that puts up a screen full of buttons which say hello. ;)
Dec 05 09:20:18 <borg_> :P
Dec 05 09:20:25 <mbuf> torpor, it is still only hello
Dec 05 09:20:31 <borg_> that counts as a hello world application
Dec 05 09:20:42 <Xx13> time to start porting gentoo
Dec 05 09:20:45 <torpor> now i gotta fix the .pc files so i can use pkg-config.
Dec 05 09:21:04 <torpor> mbuf: now now, its doing a full-blown gtk GUI .. thats not just hello world!
Dec 05 09:22:23 <mbuf> imagine a bot-like application on the Neo, that handles incoming calls and only says hello to the caller :)
Dec 05 09:22:33 <torpor> yeah i wanna do that
Dec 05 09:22:45 <torpor> actually i've considered doing a full-blown IVR system using just python.
Dec 05 09:23:03 <cjb_ie> mbuf: hook it in with eliza
Dec 05 09:23:47 <mbuf> cjb_ie, you wouldn't need those 1-800 numbers anymore
Dec 05 09:23:54 <torpor> right
Dec 05 09:24:09 <mbuf> cjb_ie, rather people behind those numbers
Dec 05 09:26:10 <NineX|moko> ave
Dec 05 09:27:43 <torpor> okay, this time a much more complicated application .. 
Dec 05 09:28:04 <borg_> ;)
Dec 05 09:32:34 <buz> voice quality of an eliza-to-speech system may even be better than many call center agents
Dec 05 09:32:50 <NineX|moko> hmm oom killer killing gui:s
Dec 05 09:32:57 <torpor> http://rafb.net/p/BgRx2B44.html
Dec 05 09:33:22 <torpor> pretty sweet to be doing onboard compiling .. 
Dec 05 09:33:27 <borg_> :)
Dec 05 09:33:29 <NineX|moko> torpor: do you  have swap on your neo?
Dec 05 09:33:34 <torpor> nope
Dec 05 09:34:34 <mbuf> has anyone here used the new alpha-toolchain to build applications?
Dec 05 09:35:20 <cosmin> is there a prebuilt 32bit toolchain?
Dec 05 09:35:52 <Xx13> maybe this can be used to warn the caller that all converations are logged before playing the ringtone
Dec 05 09:36:10 <mbuf> cosmin, AFAIK no, the alpha one was built was for x86_64
Dec 05 09:57:01 <torpor> woot!
Dec 05 09:57:10 * torpor freakin' loves writing gtk apps on the neo1973.
Dec 05 09:57:19 <torpor> i can chuck away my linux dev image, yay!  
Dec 05 09:57:22 <torpor> just kidding
Dec 05 09:58:54 * cosmin wishes he could write apps on the neo, too
Dec 05 09:59:01 <torpor> its easy!
Dec 05 09:59:07 <torpor> you do need to be root-on-sd though
Dec 05 09:59:22 * torpor wishes he had a 16gig SD card in his neo so he could move the whole shebang over ..
Dec 05 10:00:12 <Xx13> mokomake will probably take a year to compile ;)
Dec 05 10:00:19 * cosmin can't compile openmoko, and has no toolchain either
Dec 05 10:00:45 <torpor> Xx13: i think it'd take about a week.  but since i have a few neo's around, i'd set up distcc first of course .. ;)
Dec 05 10:01:16 <torpor> i wonder how many neo's i'd have to add before the compile goes quicker than my 2.5gz coreduo machine .. 
Dec 05 10:01:36 <torpor> and since there's no cross-compiling necessary, actually a huge chunk of the mokomakefile would be redundant.
Dec 05 10:02:06 <Xx13> then the bottle neck will be the usb-ether bandwidth, and even with distcc you have to link locally, and that takes the most memory
Dec 05 10:02:33 <torpor> hmm.. usb-ether bandwidth .. its not so bad, i'm quite sure.
Dec 05 10:02:41 <Xx13> true
Dec 05 10:03:37 <Xx13> i'll still run outta ram when linking xorg and the like ;)
Dec 05 10:04:08 <CM> Is there any simpile fix to the psplash build error? 
Dec 05 10:04:17 <torpor> well then i'd have a swap partition set up of course
Dec 05 10:04:37 <ScaredyCat> CM: yeah, kick XorA in the head a few times
Dec 05 10:05:04 <CM> ScaredyCat: I've tried both the standard and the bleeding edge monotone, and they're both still broken
Dec 05 10:05:16 <ScaredyCat> I know... I have the same issue...
Dec 05 10:05:23 <Xx13> swapping to flash takes forever i'm sure
Dec 05 10:05:35 <wmute> Hi guys 
Dec 05 10:05:49 <XorA> CM: remove the _angstrom patch from pspash recipe
Dec 05 10:05:56 <ScaredyCat> whoever commited the update should either fix it or roll back
Dec 05 10:05:59 <CM> XorA: Ok, danke
Dec 05 10:06:10 <XorA> openmoko also uses angstrom overrides
Dec 05 10:06:27 <XorA> I dont understand psplash to know what I should do to merge the two patches
Dec 05 10:06:53 <CM> XorA: Anything that compiles and runs would be ok..
Dec 05 10:07:04 <CM> Fixing it correctly could be done later :)
Dec 05 10:08:12 <wmute> I have maybe silly question.. I have finished compiling of openmoko with MakeFile for qemu but what next? How to start it? 
Dec 05 10:09:14 <CM> wmute: make run-qemu maybe?
Dec 05 10:09:40 <CM> Did you do a make qemu-local firsty?
Dec 05 10:09:43 <CM> first?
Dec 05 10:10:01 <wmute> CM: thanks. Im not able to find it in wikipedia ... 
Dec 05 10:10:33 <CM> wmute: I'm using the tab completion of zsh to just see what the targets are :)
Dec 05 10:10:41 <Pengu1n> Is there any moko-finger-scroll guys here ?
Dec 05 10:11:09 <Pengu1n> how can I avoid trigger 'activate' event in a trieeview in a finger-scroll ?
Dec 05 10:11:26 <wmute> CM: Thanks. make run-qemu helped to me. 
Dec 05 10:11:32 <CM> :)
Dec 05 10:11:36 <Pengu1n> before release my finger ?
Dec 05 10:11:39 <torpor> ScaredyCat: fixing this should be the job of the release manager in charge of this ..
Dec 05 10:12:06 <CM> Pengu1n: Maybe the applications code has some clues?
Dec 05 10:12:14 <ScaredyCat> torpor: agreed, however it has been a problem for a few days already...
Dec 05 10:12:19 <torpor> wmute: are you wntrmute?
Dec 05 10:12:30 <ScaredyCat> wintermute!
Dec 05 10:12:31 <ScaredyCat> ?#
Dec 05 10:13:01 <torpor> ScaredyCat: i really think we need to - as a community - complain out loud when this new standard build server is busted.  thats the whole point of having this server setup in the first place: to give us coders a stable reference, that doesn't have borked in-development stuff in the tree.
Dec 05 10:13:24 * CM votes for fix enough to compile and run first, then merge the incompatible updates
Dec 05 10:13:42 * ScaredyCat votes for a hanging
Dec 05 10:13:54 <CM> ~rope ScaredyCat 
Dec 05 10:14:05 <CM> Pff.. apt you suck
Dec 05 10:14:11 <torpor> ~lart john lee!
Dec 05 10:14:11 * apt pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps john lee!
Dec 05 10:14:19 <torpor> ;)
Dec 05 10:14:28 <ScaredyCat> torpor: yes, but it is the first few days of cange over - and yes I agree that the version put in the build server should have been a working one
Dec 05 10:14:41 <torpor> it just shouldn't be something we put up with.  ever.  
Dec 05 10:15:01 <torpor> its our responsibility to make sure this build setup works, and if it doesn't work, we gotta make noise so that there's pressure to avoid the condition in the future.
Dec 05 10:16:27 <ScaredyCat> well, actually - it's the release managers responsibility - that's why he's there...
Dec 05 10:16:32 <CM> But what system are the official developers using to build a complete rootfs? The buildhost? If buildhost.om.org fails, some bug with big red letters should be set. 
Dec 05 10:17:30 <CoreDump> the developers likely use their own machines and trees
Dec 05 10:17:30 <XorA> the repo served by monotone.openmoko.org shouldnt be broken at the moment
Dec 05 10:17:43 <ScaredyCat> well, I'm nit entirely convinced they test that their code builds CM
Dec 05 10:28:14 <torpor> i think buildhost is being maintained pretty poorly, but its fresh to the project .. i give it a little time.  i've complained bitterly about people breaking the tree, and thats why we've got this new build system in the first place.  lets hope its just a startup wrinkle.
Dec 05 10:29:15 <CM> I'll be happy to keep building "bleeding edge" to see what works and not, just like the unstable gentoo trees
Dec 05 10:29:52 <CM> But as you said, hopefully the official tree will be more stable :)
Dec 05 10:33:21 <Hicks> Hello everybody
Dec 05 10:33:35 <CM> Hi there :)
Dec 05 10:33:50 <Hicks> i have wrote a C++ code to make me able to plot any point from the GPS to a mercator map
Dec 05 10:33:52 <Hicks> so
Dec 05 10:34:07 <Hicks> is there any place i can put it on the wiki so people can get it and eventually correct it?
Dec 05 10:34:35 <torpor> wow thats cool hicks!
Dec 05 10:34:50 <torpor> maybe you should work out how to check it in to the developers/ tree of openmoko .. 
Dec 05 10:34:51 <Hicks> (Actually the code is not using the GPS of the neo, we have to put manually long / lat in float vars to make it work)
Dec 05 10:35:22 <Hicks> no i dont want to put it in the tree, because sorry i dont have much time. i just want to put it somewhere everybody can have it.
Dec 05 10:35:39 <Hicks> it is C compliant, no object involved.
Dec 05 10:35:57 <Hicks> Hicks: has a very bad english on the morning =/
Dec 05 10:36:06 <torpor> then just make a new doc on the wiki and let the openmoko-developers list know about it then .. 
Dec 05 10:36:15 <Hicks> okay
Dec 05 10:36:25 <Hicks> new doc on the wiki so i create a new page? =/
Dec 05 10:37:00 <torpor> yup
Dec 05 10:37:02 <Hicks> okay
Dec 05 10:37:04 * Hicks thanks torpor for his advices ^^
Dec 05 10:37:10 <Hicks> bye guys see you later
Dec 05 10:37:22 <CM> Hicks: what about projects.openmoko.org?
Dec 05 10:37:37 <Hicks> wait let me have a look at this
Dec 05 10:37:45 <ScaredyCat> NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: completed
Dec 05 10:37:49 <ScaredyCat> about cocking time!
Dec 05 10:38:04 <CM> ScaredyCat: ERROR: '/home/moko/openembedded/packages/meta/external-toolchain.bb' failed
Dec 05 10:38:10 <Hicks> hum hum the problem is that my code will be put in a non-opensource project, and i'm not sure we can put our project here.
Dec 05 10:38:23 <ScaredyCat> gneeh!
Dec 05 10:38:27 <Hicks> lol
Dec 05 10:38:45 * Hicks slaps bitbake
Dec 05 10:38:45 <CM> Hicks: Hmm.. What about dual licenses? It's your code..
Dec 05 10:39:00 <Hicks> dual licenses? It doesn't apply to our project :D
Dec 05 10:39:54 <Hicks> Anyway i will rewrite the code to object for our project, so it will not be the same code.
Dec 05 10:41:11 <Hicks> hmm i'm not sure if putting it on the wiki is a good idea... if the code is wrong, people will have errors =/
Dec 05 10:41:15 <Hicks> Any other alternative?
Dec 05 10:51:04 <Hicks> is there anyone who can help me with the wiki please?
Dec 05 10:51:18 <Hicks> i have put my stuff here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Convert_LongLat_To_Mercator but i dont know how to arrange the layout lol
Dec 05 10:51:50 <mbuf> Hicks, arrange the layout?
Dec 05 10:51:55 <Hicks> hmm yes
Dec 05 10:52:05 <Hicks> it has applied a CSS to what i type =/
Dec 05 10:52:18 <Hicks> i don't know wiky syntax so i dont know how to arrange it =/
Dec 05 10:52:35 <mbuf> Hicks, you can use <pre></pre> between code, to display as is
Dec 05 10:52:39 <Hicks> ok
Dec 05 10:53:24 <Hicks> oh yes it looks much better.
Dec 05 10:53:38 <Hicks> So i can use html tags in the wiki, it has CSS for them?
Dec 05 10:54:17 <mbuf> Hicks, avoid tags as much as you can; try to use wiki syntax
Dec 05 10:54:47 <mbuf> Hicks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page
Dec 05 10:54:56 <Hicks> So is <pre /> a wiki tag lol
Dec 05 10:55:05 <Hicks> ooh fine
Dec 05 10:55:10 <Hicks> wiki markup explaiend
Dec 05 10:55:12 <Hicks> thanks
Dec 05 10:59:45 <thos> ** (phone-kit:9790): DEBUG: Received incoming SMS
Dec 05 10:59:45 <thos> ** (phone-kit:9790): DEBUG: Message stored on SIM, reading...
Dec 05 10:59:51 <thos> I have a new SMS :-)
Dec 05 10:59:59 <Hicks> haha this is fun
Dec 05 11:03:15 <xcasex> thos: ping
Dec 05 11:03:16 <Hicks> well i think it is better now, so should i submit the page URL to the developper list? i dont believe they will be interested with this, since there is no application which can exploit it.
Dec 05 11:09:56 <thos> hi xcasex 
Dec 05 11:10:08 <zedstar> looking forward to playing with SMS
Dec 05 11:12:42 <Batalyx> ...screen has been black for a half an hour (no, not a screen saver), but what can be said about hd-activity, the computer still does something....
Dec 05 11:13:16 <Batalyx> (I'm waiting to see the virtual memory messages on console)
Dec 05 11:19:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1090 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com
Dec 05 11:19:01 <cdbot2> * * Notify users on incoming SMS
Dec 05 11:19:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1090
Dec 05 11:19:25 <josch> quick question: why uses openmoko irc for community communication and not jabber muc?
Dec 05 11:21:53 <Pengu1n> CM, no glues, launcher tab in openmoko-today2 use a custom widget inherit from GtkTable, no such a unwanted 'clicked' event when start to scrolling,  and the feedreader which use a treeview has this issue: you cann't scroll the feed list as you wish, row as actived and switched into item view page when you pressed on the screen, you cann't start a scrolling.
Dec 05 11:22:17 <Pengu1n> I'll report a bug for this issue for libmokoui2
Dec 05 11:22:53 <abraxa_> Pengu1n: Media player has this issue as well.
Dec 05 11:23:32 <Pengu1n> abraxa_, so it's worth to have a bug repport:)
Dec 05 11:23:39 <abraxa_> Yeah, of course :)
Dec 05 11:23:41 <CM> :)
Dec 05 11:25:07 <thos> Pengu1n: what's the problem?
Dec 05 11:26:14 <Pengu1n> thos see above words
Dec 05 11:26:33 <thos> Pengu1n: you'll have to repharse
Dec 05 11:26:40 <thos> Pengu1n: I don't quite understand
Dec 05 11:26:50 <abraxa_> thos: The finger scroll widget emits a button-press-event when the user begins scrolling - instead of emitting it when an entry was picked
Dec 05 11:27:08 <thos> abraxa_: "when an entry was picked"?
Dec 05 11:27:19 <thos> abraxa_: it does this on purpose though
Dec 05 11:27:40 <abraxa_> "picked" as in "scrolling was halted and an entry was selected by a single click"
Dec 05 11:27:59 <thos> abraxa_: ah, but that doesn't work very well
Dec 05 11:28:15 <thos> abraxa_: it emits button down, then cancels iff the user scrolls
Dec 05 11:28:22 <abraxa_> Yeah
Dec 05 11:28:24 <thos> abraxa_: otherwise it then emits button up as normal
Dec 05 11:29:40 <abraxa_> I tried listening for other events that only get triggered when an entry was selected and clicked on but I didn't find anything useful (that is assuming the finger scroll widget contains a table)
Dec 05 11:30:36 <thos> abraxa_: what's the problem?
Dec 05 11:31:08 <abraxa_> thos: Do you have the media player handy on a Neo?
Dec 05 11:31:20 <thos> yes, I accidently started it this morning actually ;-)
Dec 05 11:31:24 <abraxa_> lol
Dec 05 11:31:49 <abraxa_> Okay... after creating a playlist and clicking the "add new files" button you get to the file browser tab
Dec 05 11:32:19 <abraxa_> In that tab, try scrolling in some directory: once by starting the drag on a file, once by starting the drag on a directory
Dec 05 11:32:56 <abraxa_> When you start dragging on a directory the button-down-event is triggered and the directory is opened
Dec 05 11:33:12 <abraxa_> When you start dragging on a file the event is still fired but ignored, so scrolling works as expected
Dec 05 11:33:20 <thos> well, don't open the directory on button down
Dec 05 11:33:37 <Pengu1n> thos: while a app with a treeview is drive by select a row (by click/button-press on it) to view detail info related that row, such as feed reader. you can't scroll on this treeview with moko-figner-scroll, because first button-press-event will case the row under the finger be selected, and app will switch to a new view.
Dec 05 11:34:16 <thos> Pengu1n: don't use button-press to determine when a row is selected
Dec 05 11:34:19 <thos> Pengu1n: that is incorrect
Dec 05 11:34:31 <Pengu1n> thos: but treeview does.
Dec 05 11:34:40 <thos> Pengu1n: no, it doesn't
Dec 05 11:34:51 <thos> Pengu1n: use selection-changed event
Dec 05 11:34:52 <abraxa_> thos: Which event could be used instead?
Dec 05 11:34:56 <abraxa_> Ah okay
Dec 05 11:35:00 <thos> abraxa_: selection changed
Dec 05 11:35:11 * abraxa_ tries
Dec 05 11:35:27 <yang> Choko moko
Dec 05 11:36:27 <Pengu1n> I'm not sure if openmoko-feedreader used the button-press event, but treeview really use button-press event to "activate" a activateable cell.
Dec 05 11:36:30 <yang> still cannot find any Neo's at ebay
Dec 05 11:37:01 <thos> abraxa_: mind you, that's still not going to work come to think of it
Dec 05 11:37:09 <thos> abraxa_: because the selection changes when you scroll
Dec 05 11:37:10 <abraxa_> thos: Oh?
Dec 05 11:37:12 <thos> abraxa_: hmmm
Dec 05 11:37:14 <abraxa_> Oh.
Dec 05 11:39:32 <zedstar> what is the best way to handle say a double click on a treeview item? it seems pretty tricky to do double click with stylus?
Dec 05 11:39:34 <Pengu1n> I've read the source code of feedreader, it uses selection changed signal.
Dec 05 11:40:01 <thos> zedstar: double click is a bad idea on touch screens, yeah
Dec 05 11:40:36 <Pengu1n> :)
Dec 05 11:41:44 <zedstar> anyone using AUX button on neo to do stuff like that or bad idea also?
Dec 05 11:42:05 <abraxa_> zedstar: Aux is supposed to be custom to each application
Dec 05 11:42:21 <Pengu1n> thos: how about use such a logic: button-press, mark as pressed, pressed timer out for 0.1s to send pressed event, if finger moved, remove timer and do not send pressed event.?
Dec 05 11:43:04 <zedstar> so Aux be ok u think to emulate double clicking a row in a treeview?
Dec 05 11:43:44 <Pengu1n> zedstar: why do you need double click?
Dec 05 11:44:26 <zedstar> well say have list of users or whatever u wanna display info about them.....no room for on screen button?
Dec 05 11:44:44 <zedstar> could display when selected once i guess?
Dec 05 11:44:49 <yang> I am wondering about the size of the display compared to IPAQ'q 3800 series display...is it bigger/smaller ?
Dec 05 11:45:03 <yang> Neo1973 Vs. Ipaq 3800
Dec 05 11:46:06 <abraxa_> thos: Any idea? If not I'll postpone the problem and deal with it later ;)
Dec 05 11:46:26 <thos> abraxa_: just thinking
Dec 05 11:46:35 <abraxa_> Ah okay - thanks =3
Dec 05 11:47:13 <zedstar> does anyone else accidently keep triggering apps when trying to scroll?
Dec 05 11:47:50 <abraxa_> thos: You said it only emits the button-up event if the user isn't scrolling anymore - couldn't I use that to differentiate?
Dec 05 11:48:24 <josch> zedstar, yeah me
Dec 05 11:48:33 <josch> the fingerscrolling widget sucks :-(
Dec 05 11:48:56 <abraxa_> It doesn't - the hardware is just not as great as it needed to be
Dec 05 11:49:27 <thos> zedstar: I haven't done that for a long time
Dec 05 11:49:45 <thos> zedstar: do you have the latest snapshot too?
Dec 05 11:50:30 <zedstar> thos not the latest but fairly recent. i will update
Dec 05 11:51:06 <thos> abraxa_: basically, it will emit leave/button up if the user has been scrolling, rather than just button-up
Dec 05 11:52:22 <thos> zedstar: what we're discussing was supposed to fix the accidently hitting buttons problem
Dec 05 11:53:05 <zedstar> thos at ok cool jumped in half way
Dec 05 11:59:10 <zedstar> thos have u got round to trying out gprs on your neo yet?
Dec 05 12:00:45 <abraxa_> thos: Regardless of what I can do right now to make my app behave it seems that the finger scroll widget itself should only emit the selection-changed/button-press event(s) when a user actually wants to select something. Do you think this is the right way and if so, will you guys at o-hand get to it eventually?
Dec 05 12:00:52 <abraxa_> (just gauging where to put my efforts)
Dec 05 12:03:06 <josch> quick fix for the issue that the person calling me hears itself with and echo?
Dec 05 12:04:07 <thos> zedstar: nope
Dec 05 12:05:28 <zedstar> ah ok....i have not tried yet either but would have nicked ya scripts if u had ;)
Dec 05 12:07:04 <thos> abraxa_: probably best to use row-activated
Dec 05 12:08:06 <thos> abraxa_: or add a "open" button (like your add buttons)
Dec 05 12:11:59 <abraxa_> thos: Thanks, I'll investigate some more when I return from university. Thanks for your time :)
Dec 05 12:14:13 <cosmin> rwhitby: i still can't compile module-init-tools-cross ( http://pastebin.com/f7c2f0606 ), do you have any idea how i could make it work?
Dec 05 12:17:15 <rwhitby> cosmin: nope.  you should ask on #oe, since it's not openmoko specific.  Make sure you can reproduce it running bitbake manually, cause if you report it as a mokomakefile thing they will ignore you.
Dec 05 12:18:02 <cosmin> rwhitby: thanks
Dec 05 12:28:12 <torpor> 
Dec 05 12:37:06 <PBeck> hio
Dec 05 12:37:59 <Kronk> howdy :)
Dec 05 12:39:21 <PBeck> Kronk: :D
Dec 05 12:39:57 <Kronk> ;)\
Dec 05 12:40:02 <Kronk> ;) even !
Dec 05 12:40:26 <PBeck> ;) ok :>
Dec 05 12:49:24 <Batalyx> got bored waiting, rebooted the computer, restart the building, and it started again with pixman, so CM, that's where my compilation process crashes.
Dec 05 12:49:54 <Kronk> :(
Dec 05 12:59:04 <CM> Batalyx: Weird
Dec 05 13:01:04 <Batalyx> well, I'll try the other distro....
Dec 05 13:20:45 <ScaredyCat> 'restart the building' - CTRL-ALT-DEL in the lift ?
Dec 05 13:34:44 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3573 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta01-core.patch gta02-core.patch hxd8-core.patch): 
Dec 05 13:34:44 <CIA-14> gta01/gta02/hxd8:
Dec 05 13:34:44 <CIA-14> * convert to new s3c2410fb platform data
Dec 05 13:34:44 <CIA-14> * remove deprecated SA_INTERRUPT flag from request_irq()
Dec 05 14:45:10 * hhf423 looks for cookies
Dec 05 14:45:45 <CM> apt get cookies for hhf423 
Dec 05 14:45:46 * apt fetches cookies for hhf423
Dec 05 14:46:06 <hhf423> :-)
Dec 05 14:46:17 <hhf423> thanks!
Dec 05 14:46:25 <hhf423> yummy, Leibniz
Dec 05 14:46:35 <CM> Hehe
Dec 05 14:47:13 <hhf423> hmm, no new images anywhere?
Dec 05 14:48:00 <hhf423> I wonder why my Neo does not ask for pin. alt least I can use the terminal to do libgsmdtoll -m shell, but that is a bit annoying
Dec 05 14:48:39 <CM> I got one built about 4h ago
Dec 05 14:48:47 <hhf423> ah, where to find?
Dec 05 14:48:50 <CM> But haven't tested it yet
Dec 05 14:49:19 <hhf423> I do not have the impression anyone is testing anything, hehe
Dec 05 14:49:22 <CM> hhf423: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/images/neo1973/
Dec 05 14:49:48 <CM> It's the bleeding edge version, and untested, so beware
Dec 05 14:50:01 <hhf423> whats the worst that can happen?
Dec 05 14:50:20 <CM> That you have to flash whatever rootfs you had before back to the neo :)
Dec 05 14:50:29 <hhf423> see, no big deal
Dec 05 14:51:06 <CM> Let me know if it works :)
Dec 05 14:52:58 <hhf423_> test
Dec 05 14:53:19 <hhf423> note to self: hhf423_: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/images/neo1973/
Dec 05 14:55:54 <hhf423_> flashy!
Dec 05 14:57:12 <hhf423_> I guess there is no news on the new hardware?
Dec 05 14:57:39 <CM> Not a sound for over a week..
Dec 05 14:58:49 <hhf423_> so do we think we can order this year or only next year?
Dec 05 14:59:07 <CM> My guess is early next year
Dec 05 14:59:14 <hhf423_> or do we think the whole thing will go down in flames because harald is gone?
Dec 05 14:59:38 <hhf423_> but I hope one person is not that important
Dec 05 14:59:42 <CM> No, I don't think that. But I do hope they get the hardware out
Dec 05 14:59:50 <CM> That's what everyone is waiting for
Dec 05 15:00:34 <CM> And I also wish someone would say someting, anything, about what is going on internally.
Dec 05 15:01:19 <CM> Like how the new hardware revision is doing, if there's enough supply of materials to build the GTA02 and so on
Dec 05 15:01:31 <hhf423_> yeah, give us some confidence that something is coming :-)
Dec 05 15:02:12 <starox_> Do you know how many gat01 have been sold ?
Dec 05 15:02:32 <hhf423_> >2000 no?
Dec 05 15:03:20 <CM> That is not officially released
Dec 05 15:03:34 <CM> But it's definitely more than 1000, since the first batch sold out
Dec 05 15:03:52 <CM> And I assume less than 2000 since the second isn't. 
Dec 05 15:04:08 <CM> (Or less than 3000 if the second batch was 2000 phones)
Dec 05 15:04:09 <starox_> So we can't buy one now ? 
Dec 05 15:04:15 <hhf423_> CM: your image boots ok
Dec 05 15:04:23 <CM> You can buy a GTA01 now
Dec 05 15:04:31 <starox_> :)
Dec 05 15:04:34 <hhf423_> starox_: yes, I think you can buy gta01
Dec 05 15:04:39 <CM> hhf423_: Nice, hope the pin works :)
Dec 05 15:04:49 <hhf423_> no, does not ask for pin here
Dec 05 15:05:07 <CM> You most definitely can buy it, but most people now are just waiting for gta02
Dec 05 15:05:11 <starox_> I'm waiting gta02, but if I wait too much, I'll buy a gta01. 
Dec 05 15:06:04 <CM> The price is in USD, so it's cheeap.. ;)
Dec 05 15:06:44 <starox_> CM: Yes I'm in europe :)
Dec 05 15:06:53 <hhf423_> CM: so I have to go into libgsmdtool to make it ask for pin
Dec 05 15:07:00 <hhf423_> I have no idea why that is so
Dec 05 15:07:16 <CM> hhf423_: Is there a bug against the dialer for that? Should be..
Dec 05 15:07:46 <hhf423_> CM: I do not know, are there not many bugs against the dialer?
Dec 05 15:10:41 <hhf423_> roh: so there will be no nightly builds, see bug 1065
Dec 05 15:13:09 <CM> hhf423_: How about daily builds? ;)
Dec 05 15:13:21 <hhf423_> yeah, whatever
Dec 05 15:13:30 <CM> Me or ScaredyCat usually builds, and rwhitby too I think
Dec 05 15:14:18 <hhf423_> yes, I know. I just found that it would be nice to also have "official" daily build
Dec 05 15:14:22 <CM> Didn't find any bug report for the missing pin in the dialr though
Dec 05 15:14:46 <hhf423_> 1028?
Dec 05 15:15:39 <Sup3rkiddo> is projects.openmoko.org down? someone please confirm
Dec 05 15:15:44 <CM> hhf423_: Hmm.. Maybe that fix preventet multiple pin requests reducing it to 0?
Dec 05 15:15:44 <starox_> using buildbot for daily builds it could be usefull
Dec 05 15:15:56 <CM> Sup3rkiddo: It's up
Dec 05 15:16:16 <Sup3rkiddo> ~trout
Dec 05 15:16:17 * apt slaps nbd around a bit with a large trout!
Dec 05 15:16:43 <Sup3rkiddo> er...
Dec 05 15:16:46 <Sup3rkiddo> ~trout CM
Dec 05 15:16:47 * apt slaps CM around a bit with a large trout!
Dec 05 15:16:56 <Sup3rkiddo> just for the fun of it
Dec 05 15:17:08 <thos> hhf423_: what's your problem with PIN?
Dec 05 15:17:22 <hhf423_> thos: I do not get asked for one
Dec 05 15:17:35 <Sup3rkiddo> CM: you sure mate?, i cant access it and the svn
Dec 05 15:17:56 <thos> hhf423_: I committed a patch yesterday, do you very recent build?
Dec 05 15:18:11 <CM> thos: from 4h ago, bleeding edge sync
Dec 05 15:18:24 <hhf423_> thos: I just flashed a image which is 5h old, from CM
Dec 05 15:18:29 <CM> Sup3rkiddo: Hmm.. I'm behind a proxy so it might be cashed
Dec 05 15:18:37 <thos> hhf423_: what version of openmoko-dialer2 ?
Dec 05 15:18:41 <Sup3rkiddo> CM: oh!, thanks
Dec 05 15:18:48 <hhf423_> how do I check?
Dec 05 15:19:00 <thos> hhf423_: ipkg list_installed|grep openmoko-dialer2
Dec 05 15:19:27 <hhf423_> openmoko-dialer2 - 1:0.1.0+svnr3522-r5 - The OpenMoko Dialer
Dec 05 15:20:14 <CM> Hmm.. So it's scr_rev locked
Dec 05 15:20:19 * CM looks around
Dec 05 15:21:02 * hhf423_ reboots the neo
Dec 05 15:22:05 <hhf423_> hmm, now I do not have a top menu bar
Dec 05 15:22:53 <CM> crappy
Dec 05 15:23:43 <hhf423_> its back after restarting X
Dec 05 15:24:13 <thos> hhf423_: latest version is 3573
Dec 05 15:27:05 <hhf423_> thos: really? then CM missed it somehow
Dec 05 15:27:43 <hhf423_> does anyone know why I am getting ** (matchbox-panel-2:1253): DEBUG: battery_applet: timeout all the time?
Dec 05 15:28:08 <CM> thos: Thanks, I'll update the srcrev and rebuild the ipkg
Dec 05 15:28:38 <CM> ~curse bitbake for slow file parsing
Dec 05 15:28:39 <apt> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, bitbake for slow file parsing !
Dec 05 15:29:06 <hhf423_> CM: let me know when the next build is ready, happy to test it
Dec 05 15:29:24 <CM> hhf423_: I'll send you a link to the ipkg :)
Dec 05 15:30:24 <hhf423_> CM: or that way, if that is the only thing missing :-)
Dec 05 15:32:07 <thos> CM: I use autorev to make sure everything is bleeding edge
Dec 05 15:32:52 <CM> thos: Hmm.. Guess I should do that too. Is there any easy way to switch between autorev and locked scr revs?
Dec 05 15:34:32 <CM> hhf423_: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/ipk/armv4t/openmoko-dialer2_0.1.0+svnr3573-r5_armv4t.ipk
Dec 05 15:36:17 * arw1 hello people
Dec 05 15:36:26 <thos> CM: have you put require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc in local.conf?
Dec 05 15:36:49 <CM> Not yet, I'll do that and rebuild
Dec 05 15:38:12 * CM should read the wiki
Dec 05 15:40:19 <hhf423_> oooh! now it asks for PIN!
Dec 05 15:40:30 <CM> ~praise thos 
Dec 05 15:40:31 <apt> All hail thos!
Dec 05 15:40:57 <hhf423_> brilliant, maybe it will even register on the network
Dec 05 15:41:45 <hhf423_> well, after clicking autoregister. fair enough
Dec 05 15:43:19 <tonyg> hi all. when I echo "mem" > /sys/power/state, then (1) incoming "RING" doesn't wake up the machine, and (2) the GSM modem is in a weird state on wakeup (if I press AUX), and needs a reset to make it sane again
Dec 05 15:43:41 <tonyg> is there a better way of going to the power_off state?
Dec 05 15:45:58 * hhf423_ installs openmoko-agpsui2
Dec 05 15:46:44 <mwester> tonyg:  suspend/resume is not working yet on the GTA01
Dec 05 15:47:50 <tonyg> mwester, at kernel level?
Dec 05 15:47:55 <tonyg> or at hardware level?
Dec 05 15:48:27 <mwester> Don't know.  We hope it's just a kernel level, but there is concern that the GSM modem state is a hardware thing.
Dec 05 15:48:34 <tonyg> ok.
Dec 05 15:48:46 <tonyg> Is the CTS/interrupt-pin thing from the wiki implemented?
Dec 05 15:48:56 <Writchie> tonyg: no
Dec 05 15:48:56 <tonyg> (I suspect not? because RING didn't wake the machine)
Dec 05 15:48:58 <tonyg> ok
Dec 05 15:49:05 <mwester> Unknown
Dec 05 15:49:29 <tonyg> thank you.
Dec 05 15:49:31 <Writchie> whether there are related hardware problems won't be known until its verified
Dec 05 15:49:36 <tonyg> yep.
Dec 05 15:50:02 <tonyg> If I were to look into issues such as this, I'd need to have bought the developer edition with the debugger etc, wouldn't I?
Dec 05 15:50:04 <mwester> It is suspected that if the hw buffers contain data whan the device is suspended that data will be lost.
Dec 05 15:50:14 <Writchie> related issue is whether modem goes in low power state instead of 50mw state
Dec 05 15:50:31 <tonyg> (Is there a bugzilla bug tracking this?)
Dec 05 15:50:37 <tonyg> (my quick search before couldn't find much)
Dec 05 15:50:42 <Writchie> tonyg: don't need dev kit for this. 
Dec 05 15:50:50 <tonyg> Writchie, that's good news :)
Dec 05 15:50:51 <Writchie> but you need a stable kernel
Dec 05 15:50:59 <Writchie> and uboot
Dec 05 15:51:08 <tonyg> I haven't upgraded uboot myself ever.
Dec 05 15:51:13 <tonyg> It's still the default as shipped.
Dec 05 15:53:21 * CM builds an autorev image
Dec 05 15:53:23 <Writchie> mwester: do you know of any recent "snapshot" tested kernel
Dec 05 15:54:33 <hhf423_> CM: let me know when its done :-)
Dec 05 15:55:10 <hhf423_> tonyg: the uboot from august 18 is safe to use and has fixed all annoying errors
Dec 05 15:55:34 <tonyg> hhf423, so it'd be an unqualified benefit to upgrade to it? do you have a URL?
Dec 05 15:55:35 <hhf423_> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/
Dec 05 15:55:38 <tonyg> thanks :)
Dec 05 15:56:00 <tonyg> I'm in london. If I brick my machine, is there anyone around who can help me unbrick it? :)
Dec 05 15:56:12 <hhf423_> the one serious bug fixed was that thsi version no longer requires nand erase if you use smaller images or so
Dec 05 15:56:22 <tonyg> hhf423, awesome. that's bitten me a number of times
Dec 05 15:56:42 <hhf423_> tonyg: I have no debug board and flashed this and had no issues
Dec 05 15:57:00 <hhf423_> I had no uboot related issues since
Dec 05 15:57:06 <Writchie> hhf423: i think that version is still missing the fix for 40ma charge - but I don't think there is a stable version yet with that change.
Dec 05 15:57:38 <hhf423_> Writchie: whats the 40ma fix exactly?
Dec 05 15:58:06 <Writchie> allows slow charge to charge at 100ma instead of < 50ma 
Dec 05 15:58:23 <hhf423_> Writchie: ah, that would be good to have, clearly
Dec 05 15:58:25 <Writchie> if the modem is left on this really critical when you have a dead battery
Dec 05 15:58:32 <toggles_w> Anyone have an idea when we can buy v2 hw? Not this month right?
Dec 05 15:58:35 <hhf423_> yes, I agree
Dec 05 15:58:35 <so_solid_moo> tonyg: the o-hand people (person?) were offering unbricking a while ago iirc.
Dec 05 15:59:07 <tonyg> so_solid_moo, thanks. i'll have a go at flashing uboot maybe later :) since I'm not suffering unduly at present...
Dec 05 16:00:00 <so_solid_moo> tonyg: see last para of http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/10/02/two-neo1973s-calling-each-other/
Dec 05 16:00:48 <hhf423_> Writchie: doe you know if the uboot from december 1 (official November release) has the fix?
Dec 05 16:00:51 <tonyg> so_solid_moo, that's great. thanks for the link.
Dec 05 16:01:37 <Writchie> I believe it does - but there may be other problems with that version. 
Dec 05 16:01:42 <Writchie> wait one
Dec 05 16:03:45 <tonyg> gah. wish I'd managed to get to mobilecamplondon.
Dec 05 16:03:56 <tonyg> definitely keen for an openmoko-london user group.
Dec 05 16:03:57 <Writchie> tonyg: bug 762 fixed in svn rev 3147
Dec 05 16:04:05 <tonyg> Writchie, thanks
Dec 05 16:04:06 <zedstar> there will one in feb tonyg i think
Dec 05 16:04:13 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3574 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/hxd8-core.patch: cosmetic fix: use tab instead of spaces
Dec 05 16:05:01 <hhf423_> Writchie: other problems with the December 1 version of uboot?
Dec 05 16:05:32 <zedstar> tonyg add your name/details to the local groups london in wiki also
Dec 05 16:06:43 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3575 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (6 files): kernel api change: s/SA_INTERRUPT/IRQF_DISABLED/g
Dec 05 16:07:05 <Writchie> i'm sure - it wasn't recommended on last snapshot a few days ago and I'm not sure of the reason. I believe there were some reporting problems with SD card but i'm not sure if they were u-boot or kernel related. It's best not to load a questionable u-boot without a dev board. 
Dec 05 16:08:14 <hhf423_> Writchie: hmm, I just flashed it
Dec 05 16:08:26 <Writchie> do you boot from sd?
Dec 05 16:08:41 <hhf423_> no
Dec 05 16:09:59 <torpor> http://w1xer.de/bling.html
Dec 05 16:13:44 <Writchie> hhf423_: i can't tell from the bugzilla any outstanding issues on the November u-boot. 
Dec 05 16:16:12 <Writchie> mickeyl: are you aware of any outstanding issues in the November u-boot in your snapshot?
Dec 05 16:17:00 <mickeyl> Writchie: 887
Dec 05 16:17:03 <mickeyl> !ombug 887
Dec 05 16:17:04 <cdbot2> * * Bug 887, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown
Dec 05 16:17:05 <cdbot2> * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: U-Boot initialization race condition: Hangs on boot
Dec 05 16:17:06 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=887
Dec 05 16:17:08 <mickeyl> this is the _blocker_
Dec 05 16:17:18 <mickeyl> which is why i didn't recommend using the 2007.11 u-boot 
Dec 05 16:17:29 <Writchie> mickeyl: tx
Dec 05 16:17:32 <mickeyl> iirc the 2007.08 u-boot is the last one not exposing #887
Dec 05 16:21:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1091 has been created by mjr(AT)iki.fi
Dec 05 16:21:01 <cdbot2> * * gllin package installs into /home instead of /usr
Dec 05 16:21:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1091
Dec 05 16:22:48 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:25:38 <Writchie> mickeyl: i love the rollout display - this is not that far from reality
Dec 05 16:26:33 <mickeyl> i sincerely hope so
Dec 05 16:26:38 <mickeyl> it's my ultimate dream
Dec 05 16:26:52 <mickeyl> btw., over the next couple of days i can work more on freesmartphone.org
Dec 05 16:26:55 <Writchie> needs to rollout the top for one handed op
Dec 05 16:27:28 <mickeyl> yea
Dec 05 16:27:34 <Writchie> i'm hoping to get more done on the ref model in in the next day or to. 
Dec 05 16:27:49 <mickeyl> coolies
Dec 05 16:28:01 <Writchie> is 2.6.23 being abandoned in favaor of 2.6.24? 
Dec 05 16:28:24 <Writchie> i need a target for the mux - it's a module but 2.6.23 has some PM problems
Dec 05 16:28:38 <mickeyl> probably. our new system level engineer just started a couple of days ago
Dec 05 16:28:43 <mickeyl> and is catching up with the state of affairs
Dec 05 16:29:06 <Writchie> great: we need a clean kernel snapshot 
Dec 05 16:29:23 <mickeyl> i guess he will stabilize .22 more and then base on harald's .24 patches
Dec 05 16:29:27 <torpor> Writchie: what rollout display?
Dec 05 16:29:30 <mickeyl> but that's just my guess
Dec 05 16:29:43 <Writchie> 22 is fine
Dec 05 16:30:05 <Writchie> but driver changes are needed to be backported fro the gsm pm to work. 
Dec 05 16:30:28 <mickeyl> right
Dec 05 16:30:35 <Writchie> torpor: http://www.freesmartphone.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Dec 05 16:30:54 <torpor> ah
Dec 05 16:30:58 <torpor> that is pretty trick.
Dec 05 16:31:49 <Writchie> mickeyl: the kernel mailing list needs to come alive. 
Dec 05 16:32:11 <Writchie> again
Dec 05 16:32:15 <mickeyl> i know
Dec 05 16:32:19 <mickeyl> it will happen 
Dec 05 16:32:21 <mickeyl> like i said
Dec 05 16:32:25 <mickeyl> new guy is on board
Dec 05 16:32:25 <torpor> some hardware might be nice
Dec 05 16:32:30 <mickeyl> but needs some days to catch up
Dec 05 16:32:36 <Writchie> ack
Dec 05 16:33:24 <Writchie> he needs to be made to use o GTA01 for his own phone ;)
Dec 05 16:33:55 <torpor> heh heh
Dec 05 16:34:34 <Writchie> or better yet his wife ;)
Dec 05 16:36:12 <torpor> okay whats the 'nice' way to put something in /usr/share/appname through a recipe?
Dec 05 16:36:54 <mickeyl> install -d ${datadir}/foo
Dec 05 16:37:09 <mickeyl> install -m <whatever> ${D}${datadir}/foo
Dec 05 16:37:17 <mickeyl> (forgot the ${D} in the first line)
Dec 05 16:37:17 <torpor> and datadir is gonna be /usr/share/appname?
Dec 05 16:37:21 <mickeyl> no
Dec 05 16:37:25 <mickeyl> datadir is /usr/share
Dec 05 16:37:27 <mickeyl> often
Dec 05 16:37:30 <torpor> ok
Dec 05 16:37:34 <torpor> that'll work.
Dec 05 16:43:11 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:44:54 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:45:24 <Stephmw> I completely agree, but what point are you making?
Dec 05 16:45:43 <so_solid_moo> if you say it three times, you get a free phone
Dec 05 16:45:59 <so_solid_moo> or a ghost appears. I forget which.
Dec 05 16:46:52 <tonyg> zedstar, thanks for the tip re london usergroup on the wiki. done.
Dec 05 16:47:07 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:47:57 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:48:26 <zash> gurthang: and you are doing what?
Dec 05 16:48:34 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:49:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1092 has been created by mjr(AT)iki.fi
Dec 05 16:49:01 <cdbot2> * * gllin outputs uncompressed NMEA log, crashes on disk full
Dec 05 16:49:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1092
Dec 05 16:49:27 <gurthang> yes, in openmoko
Dec 05 16:49:32 <NineX> do latest build emitting any sonud on call , or menu selection?
Dec 05 16:49:33 <zedstar> tongy there seem to be a few people in london with Neo's. i am up for any usergroup/meet stuff if can get enough or can wait next mobilebarcamp
Dec 05 16:50:01 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:50:36 <tonyg> zedstar, where are you based? I work at lshift.net, in Hoxton/Old St
Dec 05 16:50:47 <gurthang> openmok
Dec 05 16:50:51 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:51:02 <Stephmw> tonyg: Ooooh, more londonites
Dec 05 16:51:09 <Stephmw> tonyg: ... no neo here alas
Dec 05 16:51:09 <tonyg> :)
Dec 05 16:51:19 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:51:31 <zedstar> tonyg i work in holburn
Dec 05 16:51:31 * CM makes /ignore gurthang default
Dec 05 16:51:35 <Stephmw> gurthang: enough
Dec 05 16:51:42 <zilux> could someone stop the gurthang bot?
Dec 05 16:51:48 <tonyg> Stephmw, if you're in London, you ought also put yourself on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_London :)
Dec 05 16:51:49 <gurthang> poor zylox
Dec 05 16:51:56 <gurthang> poor zilux
Dec 05 16:52:07 <zilux> do the same stuttering at #vim eg
Dec 05 16:52:24 <CM> zilux: It's not a bot, just a bored idiot I guess
Dec 05 16:52:31 <gurthang> poor CM
Dec 05 16:52:35 <gurthang> poor CM
Dec 05 16:52:38 <gurthang> poor CM
Dec 05 16:52:40 <gurthang> poor CM
Dec 05 16:52:45 <zilux> it is perhaps a bot
Dec 05 16:52:52 <AVee> Look he can spell CM right :)
Dec 05 16:52:57 <gurthang> poor zilux
Dec 05 16:53:01 <gurthang> he is a bot
Dec 05 16:53:05 <gurthang> bots are here
Dec 05 16:53:06 <zilux> ok, bored idiot
Dec 05 16:53:07 <zash> slash ignore!
Dec 05 16:53:12 <gurthang> they destroy the world
Dec 05 16:53:17 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:53:20 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:53:21 <zedstar> tonyg ah lshift functional programming dudes!
Dec 05 16:53:23 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:53:25 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:53:29 <tonyg> yup :)
Dec 05 16:53:30 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:53:34 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:53:39 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:53:42 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:53:45 <gurthang> openmoko
Dec 05 16:54:01 <mjr> maybe we need more ops here
Dec 05 16:54:07 <mjr> just a thought
Dec 05 16:54:09 <gurthang> poor mjr
Dec 05 16:54:09 <tonyg> is that holborn, or holburn? I get confused
Dec 05 16:54:11 <thos> zedstar: what other images are there apart from Moko.jpg?
Dec 05 16:54:11 <Kero> lshift? friend of mine used to work there ;)
Dec 05 16:54:22 <gurthang> do you admit you're poor, mjr?
Dec 05 16:54:25 <CM> Yeah, at lest apt should be able to kick out spammers and such
Dec 05 16:54:35 <CM> ~kick gurthang 
Dec 05 16:54:36 * apt kicks gurthang
Dec 05 16:54:42 <CM> :)
Dec 05 16:54:46 <gurthang> poor CM
Dec 05 16:54:53 <gurthang> do you admit you're poor, CM?
Dec 05 16:55:20 <Mononoke> ~beer Mononoke
Dec 05 16:55:21 * apt deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for Mononoke
Dec 05 16:55:29 <Mononoke> hmm not good one
Dec 05 16:55:31 <Mononoke> ~beer Mononoke
Dec 05 16:55:33 * apt deftly decants a fine Jever for Mononoke
Dec 05 16:55:39 <Mononoke> :S
Dec 05 16:55:44 <gurthang> poor Mononoke
Dec 05 16:55:47 * Mononoke sends apt to CM 
Dec 05 16:55:49 <_diego_> ~lart apt abuser
Dec 05 16:55:51 * apt slaps apt abuser upside the head with a wet fish
Dec 05 16:55:57 <gurthang> do you admit you're poor, Mononoke?
Dec 05 16:56:23 <Mononoke> hmm yes I'm poor student
Dec 05 16:56:31 <gurthang> why
Dec 05 16:56:34 <gurthang> you lie
Dec 05 16:56:36 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3576 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-leds.patch: gta02-leds: 2.6.24-rc4 merge: led classdev changes
Dec 05 16:56:42 <gurthang> kernel sucks
Dec 05 16:57:33 <gurthang> mononoke admits she's poor
Dec 05 16:57:38 <gurthang> poor mononoke
Dec 05 16:58:25 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3577 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-inputdevice.patch: gta01-inputdevice: SA_INTERRUPT -> IRQF_ changes
Dec 05 16:59:13 <tonyg> http://openmoko.pastebin.com/m2af71760
Dec 05 16:59:20 <tonyg> anyone else have a build stuck on icu?
Dec 05 16:59:24 <gurthang> poor tonyg
Dec 05 16:59:26 <zedstar> tony holborn
Dec 05 17:00:02 <zedstar> thos: what images u mean?
Dec 05 17:00:06 <tonyg> holborn's not so far away.
Dec 05 17:00:25 <zedstar> tonyg yeh not to far
Dec 05 17:00:26 <thos> zedstar: under "Device owned"
Dec 05 17:00:29 <tonyg> well, if the dec release of gta02 happens, perhaps a dec or jan meetup
Dec 05 17:00:32 <gurthang> thos
Dec 05 17:00:35 <gurthang> tonyg
Dec 05 17:00:38 <gurthang> zedstar
Dec 05 17:00:56 <zedstar> thos: ah.. the wiki... oh dunno there is a debug case one
Dec 05 17:01:14 <thos> zedstar: oh, what's it called?
Dec 05 17:01:17 <CM> tonyg: I don't have that one now, but a few months ago I got it
Dec 05 17:01:27 <CM> tonyg: I was refering to the icu problem
Dec 05 17:01:31 <zedstar> thos hang on ill see if can find it from other user list
Dec 05 17:01:51 * Stephmw edits
Dec 05 17:01:57 <zedstar> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:MokoBox.jpg
Dec 05 17:02:12 <zedstar> thos there is that
Dec 05 17:02:18 <NineX> who created wesnoth package? please remember me nickname of this guy
Dec 05 17:02:56 <thos> zedstar: hm, guess that would do
Dec 05 17:03:09 <thos> zedstar: what about an icon for "GTA02"
Dec 05 17:03:14 <gurthang> thos
Dec 05 17:03:15 <gurthang> thos
Dec 05 17:03:16 <gurthang> thos
Dec 05 17:03:18 <gurthang> thos
Dec 05 17:03:19 <gurthang> thos
Dec 05 17:03:20 <gurthang> thos
Dec 05 17:03:22 <gurthang> thos
Dec 05 17:03:24 <mickeyl> gurthang: you're starting to annoy
Dec 05 17:03:28 <mickeyl> leave it
Dec 05 17:03:29 <NineX> !kb gurthang 
Dec 05 17:03:55 <Writchie> http://xkcd.com/353/
Dec 05 17:04:08 <zedstar> thos i just got template of other local group but need some new icons yeh
Dec 05 17:04:34 <zedstar> tonyg yeh sounds good idea
Dec 05 17:06:10 <thos> mickeyl: wow, you scared him off :-)
Dec 05 17:06:15 * Stephmw hugs mickeyl 
Dec 05 17:06:26 <Gybrush> hey, thos!
Dec 05 17:06:32 <JackTheDipper> ;-)
Dec 05 17:06:47 <thos> JackTheDipper: greetings!
Dec 05 17:07:38 <zedstar> ohh the london local groups has almost doubled in no time :)
Dec 05 17:09:40 <CM> NineX: I think it was josch 
Dec 05 17:11:04 <NineX> CM: thx
Dec 05 17:14:12 <josch> NineX, ??
Dec 05 17:14:22 <josch> ah wesnoth
Dec 05 17:14:41 <josch> NineX, http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/wesnoth/
Dec 05 17:14:43 <CM> Äh, you were to fast for me to ~blame josch for wesnoth
Dec 05 17:14:43 <josch> :-D
Dec 05 17:14:46 <CM> ;)
Dec 05 17:15:05 <josch> CM, lol you used an Ä ^^
Dec 05 17:15:23 <CM> :P
Dec 05 17:20:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1093 has been created by sudharsh(AT)gmail.com
Dec 05 17:20:01 <cdbot2> * * Qemu build breaks in gentoo
Dec 05 17:20:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1093
Dec 05 18:00:45 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3580 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c2410_touchscreen.patch: s3c2410_ts 2.6.24-rc4 merge: use BIT_MASK and BIT_WORD
Dec 05 18:01:20 <CIA-14> 03laforge * r3581 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/missing_defs.patch: 2.6.24-rc4 merge
Dec 05 18:05:45 <mickeyl> LaF0rge: heh, i'm not going to touch gllin anymore
Dec 05 18:06:07 <torpor> whys that?
Dec 05 18:06:40 <mickeyl> i have much more important things to do than haxoring binaries
Dec 05 18:06:46 <torpor> w00t!
Dec 05 18:06:51 <torpor> such as?
Dec 05 18:06:57 <torpor> tell us something juicy.  what you working on?
Dec 05 18:06:58 <mickeyl> freesmartphone.org
Dec 05 18:07:03 <mickeyl> phone server
Dec 05 18:07:05 <mickeyl> device daemon
Dec 05 18:07:17 <mickeyl> vmware image
Dec 05 18:07:45 <mickeyl> + the usual bunch of stuff I maintain in OE
Dec 05 18:07:50 <mickeyl> (too much, actually)
Dec 05 18:09:00 <abraxa_> ~hail mickey
Dec 05 18:09:01 * apt bows down to mickey and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Dec 05 18:09:06 <abraxa_> 'xactly.
Dec 05 18:11:36 <mickeyl> heh
Dec 05 18:11:39 * mickeyl bows
Dec 05 18:11:42 <mickeyl> too much honor
Dec 05 18:11:48 <balrog-kun> ewwww
Dec 05 18:11:52 <balrog-kun> vmware :p
Dec 05 18:12:13 <mickeyl> jep. please don't suggest alternatives, it's been decided :)
Dec 05 18:12:25 <mickeyl> no matter whether i like it or not...
Dec 05 18:12:45 <mickeyl> you can convert to qemu can't you?
Dec 05 18:12:50 <balrog-kun> ok, but i'm going to say ewww every now and then :)
Dec 05 18:13:16 <balrog-kun> yes, quite possibly
Dec 05 18:17:57 * LaF0rge is tempted to publicly rant about that vmware decision once the stuff is released
Dec 05 18:18:51 <LaF0rge> maybe I should remove myself from planet openmoko first
Dec 05 18:19:14 <LaF0rge> it's completley inacceptable to create dependencies on proprietary software.
Dec 05 18:20:48 * mwester tends to agree, even though he's a rabid VMware user and supporter.
Dec 05 18:21:09 <balrog-kun> apparently it is acceptable for OpenMoko Inc :/
Dec 05 18:21:17 <torpor> what vmware decision?
Dec 05 18:21:28 <doc|home> er, there's a dep on vmware?!
Dec 05 18:21:33 <torpor> wtf?
Dec 05 18:21:35 <torpor> really?
Dec 05 18:21:53 <LaF0rge> well for the sdk, if i understood correctly.
Dec 05 18:22:20 <doc|home> /j #notsoopenmoko :)
Dec 05 18:22:33 <balrog-kun> doc|home: not currently
Dec 05 18:22:50 * Writchie loves vmware - but agrees that it should only run something you could also run without it. 
Dec 05 18:23:20 <mickeyl> well, i wouldn't call it a dependency
Dec 05 18:23:28 <mickeyl> the SDK will be released in components
Dec 05 18:23:33 <mickeyl> e.g. toolchain is already out
Dec 05 18:23:33 <balrog-kun> more lke a recomentation i think
Dec 05 18:23:36 <mickeyl> anjuta stuff will follow
Dec 05 18:23:38 <alphaone> Shouldn't vmware images run with qemu?
Dec 05 18:23:41 <balrog-kun> *recomendation
Dec 05 18:23:48 <mickeyl> the vmware image is a convenience image where everything is included
Dec 05 18:24:00 <mickeyl> (not trying to defend here, but clarifying)
Dec 05 18:24:01 <LaF0rge> still, it sends the wrong message
Dec 05 18:24:05 <balrog-kun> alphaone: run i don't know, but they can be converted to raw
Dec 05 18:24:07 <Writchie> a vmware appliance is a good idea - i think
Dec 05 18:24:10 <LaF0rge> mickeyl: FSF will not like it eiter
Dec 05 18:24:16 <alphaone> balrog-kun: Yeah
Dec 05 18:24:28 <mickeyl> well, message is a completely different thing.
Dec 05 18:24:30 <LaF0rge> why not just ship a chroot, does practically the same thing 
Dec 05 18:24:35 <balrog-kun> raw image format can bve read by any emulator, though running is a different question (hw compatibilty etc)
Dec 05 18:25:48 <Writchie> the build system should have much in the way of hardware compatibility issues. 
Dec 05 18:26:59 <balrog-kun> vmware like chroot implies root access to the computer you want to run it on, but vmware also is restricted to x86 or x86_64 and not portable
Dec 05 18:27:13 <balrog-kun> and it may well containt code you didn't expect to be running on your PC hidden in it
Dec 05 18:28:37 <Writchie> vmware AFAIK doesn't need root access - except maybe so set up the network brideging or real devices. 
Dec 05 18:29:07 <Writchie> but x86 point is well taken
Dec 05 18:29:14 <balrog-kun> Writchie: it is completely dependent on its kernel code
Dec 05 18:29:47 <Writchie> yes - the vmware drivers.
Dec 05 18:29:56 <balrog-kun> the main part of it is in kernel, as is the case with kqemu and vmbear
Dec 05 18:33:48 <tonyg> does anyone do openmoko dev on a powerpc mac?
Dec 05 18:33:56 <ljp_> mickeyl: did you guys look into virtualbox?
Dec 05 18:34:44 <mickeyl> ljp_: no idea
Dec 05 18:34:47 <mickeyl> probably not
Dec 05 18:36:01 <LaF0rge> tonyg: I used my G5 quad for OE builds some time ago
Dec 05 18:37:43 <SpeedEvil> Does anyone have a recommendation for a 'working' image and kernel?
Dec 05 18:38:11 <SpeedEvil> I don't ATM have a build chain up, and would like to upgrade from the shipped OS.
Dec 05 18:39:19 <tonyg> LaF0rge, and was it as smooth as linux/x86?
Dec 05 18:39:25 * tonyg guesses it's unlikely
Dec 05 18:39:34 <LaF0rge> tonyg: as a powerpc user, you should know that it never is as smooth
Dec 05 18:39:38 <tonyg> :)
Dec 05 18:39:43 <LaF0rge> tonyg: but that is good, since it fixes bugs
Dec 05 18:39:48 <tonyg> LaF0rge, absolutely.
Dec 05 18:40:11 <LaF0rge> oh, and i am talking about linuxppc64 on that g5, obviously
Dec 05 18:46:31 <tonyg> LaF0rge, ok that's interesting. My ppc powerbook is still running os x 10.3.9
Dec 05 18:49:50 <LaF0rge> tonyg: removing proprietary OS's before they have booted the first time is one of the few pleasures I have when getting new devices :)
Dec 05 18:51:12 <stefan_schmidt> LaF0rge: Yay for PXE boots. :)
Dec 05 18:51:16 <tonyg> :)
Dec 05 18:51:26 <stefan_schmidt> LaF0rge: How is india?
Dec 05 18:51:41 <SpeedEvil> Any reason I can't chroot over to /media/card, and untar openmoko-november-snapshot.rootfs.tar.gz   on the root, after rm'ng?
Dec 05 18:56:19 <tonyg> So, it looks from AT+CGCLASS=? that GTA01 is class "B", not class "A". Is that right? And if so, am I right in understanding that this means you can have both voice and gprs connections *attached* simultaneously, but only one of the two can be transferring data at a time?
Dec 05 19:02:40 <SpeedEvil> tonyg: in principle yes
Dec 05 19:02:46 <SpeedEvil> in practice, that's not working yet
Dec 05 19:02:54 <tonyg> SpeedEvil, sure :)
Dec 05 19:03:04 <SpeedEvil> and if you turn on a GPRS connection, you get no notification of an incoming call.
Dec 05 19:03:07 <tonyg> it limits my expectations, though.
Dec 05 19:03:08 <tonyg> ok
Dec 05 19:03:17 <tonyg> how does that line up with the 07.10 multiplexing thing?
Dec 05 19:03:30 <tonyg> once mux is in there, could a call notifcation arrive over a different mux endpoint?
Dec 05 19:03:42 <SpeedEvil> Something like that
Dec 05 19:03:45 <tonyg> ok
Dec 05 19:04:04 <SpeedEvil> you get a notification, decide to take the call, and if you do, the GPRS stalls
Dec 05 19:04:06 <tonyg> but it'd still be the case that either the voice call *or* the gprs "call" could have data flowing, but not both?
Dec 05 19:04:08 <tonyg> ok
Dec 05 19:04:22 <SpeedEvil> I don't know if you can take incoming SMS during data mode
Dec 05 19:04:23 <tonyg> and a class "A" device would permit both streams to continue simultaneously?
Dec 05 19:04:37 <tonyg> (I suspect you *can* take SMS, but that's a total guess)
Dec 05 19:04:47 <tonyg> (if you're using 07.10)
Dec 05 19:04:56 <SpeedEvil> As I understand, yses, but class A requires two radios - pretty much
Dec 05 19:05:01 <tonyg> So, then: is GTA02 a CGCLASS="A" device?
Dec 05 19:05:04 <tonyg> ah
Dec 05 19:05:16 <mjr> it's not
Dec 05 19:05:21 <tonyg> odd. I thought GPRS operated over the unused timeslots over the same radio
Dec 05 19:05:32 <tonyg> mjr, thanks. ok.
Dec 05 19:05:58 <SpeedEvil> tonyg: I'm just reporting what I vaguely remember. 
Dec 05 19:06:22 <SpeedEvil> I suspect the problem is that you can't guarantee scheduling on the same channel.
Dec 05 19:07:38 <tonyg> it's funny how I can consider myself a low-level programming in some respects and be waaaay up in the stratosphere in others :-) I've never looked into the fine detail of the wire/radio-level support for GSM...
Dec 05 19:07:44 <tonyg> *programmer
Dec 05 19:16:22 <xcasex> man getting the contacts from my wm mobile to evolution and the neo is going to be asshackery :(
Dec 05 19:16:58 <tonyg> xcasex, yay for perl ;-)
Dec 05 19:17:22 <xcasex> True!
Dec 05 20:38:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1094 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it
Dec 05 20:38:02 <cdbot2> * * Italian translation missing
Dec 05 20:38:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1094
Dec 05 20:39:24 <jeffdameth> hmm... so one really has to build the whole 7GB build envinronment to develop something for the neo?
Dec 05 20:39:42 <abraxa_> jeffdameth: No
Dec 05 20:39:53 <balrog-kun> jeffdameth: no, where did you read this?
Dec 05 20:39:58 <abraxa_> You can also just grab the (not entirely complete) toolchain
Dec 05 20:40:30 <jeffdameth> abraxa_: do you have some pointer where to start looking?
Dec 05 20:40:34 <abraxa_> Yeah, sec
Dec 05 20:43:14 <jeffdameth> balrog-kun: i was looking through the openmoko wiki: 'crash course application development'  
Dec 05 20:43:36 <abraxa_> jeffdameth: The SDK was supposed to be located at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/sdk/ but it's not there right now so it seems mickey would need to build it again
Dec 05 20:43:42 * LetoTo finally saw a real openmoko last night, and got to look at the screen.
Dec 05 20:44:04 <LetoTo> gues I would have preferred less pixel density and larger screen, like the iphone. Since my eyes suck :)
Dec 05 20:44:29 <LetoTo> but large enough to settle for freedom and openmoko and not fall for ibrick games :)
Dec 05 20:47:18 <jeffdameth> abraxa_: thank you
Dec 05 20:48:21 <abraxa_> jeffdameth: If you have time you might want to stay around and ask him about the state of affairs when he gets back
Dec 05 20:54:34 <jeffdameth> abraxa_: yep. thet was my plan :)
Dec 05 21:00:19 <Ghiottone> hello
Dec 05 21:01:04 <OJW> hello Ghiottone 
Dec 05 21:01:52 <Ghiottone> what's new?
Dec 05 21:08:34 <CM> Ghiottone: Evening :)
Dec 05 21:08:49 <Ghiottone> hey CM :)
Dec 05 21:08:54 <Ghiottone> what's up?
Dec 05 21:09:13 <CM> I'm totally bogged down with moving and working too much overtime
Dec 05 21:09:25 <CM> But soon I'll be back to doing useful stuff ;)
Dec 05 21:09:41 <Ghiottone> :)
Dec 05 21:09:57 * CM is now attempting to build autoreved bleeding edge snapshots daily
Dec 05 21:10:12 <Ghiottone> is the autorev patch in bb now?
Dec 05 21:10:37 <CM> No, but I've patched my lib/bb/svb.py myself ;)
Dec 05 21:10:49 <CM> svn..
Dec 05 21:10:58 <Ghiottone> ehehe fastest way :)
Dec 05 21:11:30 <Ghiottone> I noticed that if I do ipkg upgrade -noaction it download the whole file...
Dec 05 21:11:31 <CM> Many things happening with oe and om now, but they're all in progress so not much to say yet
Dec 05 21:11:35 <CM> Just fun to see :)
Dec 05 21:11:42 <CM> Hehe
Dec 05 21:11:51 <CM> ~curse ipkg
Dec 05 21:11:52 <apt> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ipkg !
Dec 05 21:12:02 <Ghiottone> rofl
Dec 05 21:12:10 <Ghiottone> big things?
Dec 05 21:12:14 <Ghiottone> any anticipation?
Dec 05 21:12:28 <CM> No rumours of any hardware yet
Dec 05 21:12:28 <Ghiottone> I read about some progress on java
Dec 05 21:12:32 <CM> That's what I really want..
Dec 05 21:12:44 <Ghiottone> java? ehehe
Dec 05 21:12:47 <CM> Yeah, java, efl, stable oe branch (or something)
Dec 05 21:12:56 <Ghiottone> have a look at mickeyl's blog
Dec 05 21:13:05 <Ghiottone> I read it there today IIRC
Dec 05 21:13:07 <CM> I've read it, seen the discussions
Dec 05 21:13:17 <Ghiottone> what's the status?
Dec 05 21:13:18 <CM> Yeah, good progress :)
Dec 05 21:13:59 <Ghiottone> what will you do when there will be java on the moko?
Dec 05 21:14:05 <CM> Ah, sorry
Dec 05 21:14:18 <mwester> cry
Dec 05 21:14:22 <CM> That wasn't what I was waiting for, it's the gta02 I mean
Dec 05 21:15:52 <CM> I'd like to try some python efl things, eventually :)
Dec 05 21:16:22 <CM> ~welcome pavelm 
Dec 05 21:16:22 <apt> Welcome to the party, pavelm! 
Dec 05 21:16:24 <pavelm> Hello, everyone.
Dec 05 21:16:31 <pavelm> Thanks for warm welcome, CM :-)
Dec 05 21:16:35 <CM> Hehe
Dec 05 21:16:56 <pavelm> I got maps with moving arrow working on angstrom, anyone interesteD?
Dec 05 21:17:15 <Ghiottone> with what?
Dec 05 21:17:32 <pavelm> ghiottone: moving arrow ("here you are").
Dec 05 21:17:40 <CM> Cool, but my Neo is still in pieces :-/
Dec 05 21:17:55 <pavelm> CM: did you try to remove transistor or what?
Dec 05 21:18:11 <pavelm> now... I have one of those neos with too many transistors.
Dec 05 21:18:19 <CM> Hehe, no, just picked it apart a bit to get the jtag attatched
Dec 05 21:18:31 <Ghiottone> uh? CM what happened?
Dec 05 21:18:37 <pavelm> (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/One_transistor_too_many)
Dec 05 21:18:39 <CM> Have to do something about my uboot-env, but I'm always out of time
Dec 05 21:18:44 <SpeedEvil> To make a new ext2 fs - on /media/card - umount , mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p1, mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card should work?
Dec 05 21:18:47 * CM is moving across the country right now
Dec 05 21:18:50 <SpeedEvil> because mount says invalid argument
Dec 05 21:19:00 <pavelm> speed: should work.
Dec 05 21:19:13 <CM> maybe set the type on mount?
Dec 05 21:19:46 <pavelm> Before I start hardware hacking... Is there openmoko version where s2ram works, and incoming call correctly wakes it up?
Dec 05 21:19:55 <SpeedEvil> strace says mount("/dev/mmcblk0p1", "/media/card", "ext2", MS_VERBOSE, "") = -1 ENODEV (No such device
Dec 05 21:20:02 <pavelm> ...I can't test that myself because of too many transistors...
Dec 05 21:20:11 <pavelm> speed: fdisk /dev/mmcblk0?
Dec 05 21:20:21 <CM> pavelm: Hmm.. I think so, but I'm not sure what image it is
Dec 05 21:20:28 <SpeedEvil> strace says mount("/dev/mmcblk0p1", "/media/card", "ext2", MS_VERBOSE, "") = -1 ENODEV (No such device/dev/mmcblk0p1               1         983      495400+  83  Linux
Dec 05 21:20:33 <CM> mickey|bbl might be around soon and know more
Dec 05 21:20:41 <SpeedEvil>  /dev/mmcblk0p1               1         983      495400+  83  Linux
Dec 05 21:20:43 <SpeedEvil> fdisk says
Dec 05 21:21:04 <pavelm> ...try to trigger partition table rereading by "w". Then look at dmesg if partitions are detected..?
Dec 05 21:21:20 <Ghiottone> SpeedEvil, try rebooting so that the kernel reloads the partition table
Dec 05 21:21:38 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Dec 05 21:21:43 <SpeedEvil> worth a go
Dec 05 21:22:14 <pavelm> Is anyone actually using openmoko as a phone these days?
Dec 05 21:22:26 <CM> mjr is, and some more too
Dec 05 21:22:50 <SpeedEvil> It says something that I'm spending >5 min trying to figure this out, rather than actually opening the phone and taking the microSD out.
Dec 05 21:23:03 <Ghiottone> what's the way to set the preferred version of a package?
Dec 05 21:23:22 <Ghiottone> when I try rebuilding navit it always use version 0.0.1 instead of the cvs one
Dec 05 21:23:32 <CM> Ghiottone: As in the sane srcrev thing?
Dec 05 21:23:38 <pavelm> ghiottone: Wow, is there navit for angstrom now?
Dec 05 21:24:06 <Ghiottone> pavelm, yep. at least, it works on the neo with integrated gps
Dec 05 21:24:12 <Ghiottone> cm yes that
Dec 05 21:24:23 <Ghiottone> CM how does it work?
Dec 05 21:24:26 <SpeedEvil> Oh - right pavelm. I suspect that 'ext2' not appearing in /proc/filesystems has something to do with it.
Dec 05 21:24:29 <pavelm> ghiottone: Where do I get a copy?
Dec 05 21:24:35 <pavelm> Speed: I know!
Dec 05 21:24:35 <CM> You can edit a file, have to see where it is
Dec 05 21:24:44 <pavelm> Speed: pass -text3.
Dec 05 21:24:49 <Ghiottone> pavelm, there is a bb file in oe
Dec 05 21:24:57 <Ghiottone> pavelm, try modprobing it
Dec 05 21:25:02 <Ghiottone> pavelm, ops sry
Dec 05 21:25:04 <pavelm> Speed: I bet your kernel does not support ext2.
Dec 05 21:25:12 <Ghiottone> SpeedEvil, try modprobing it
Dec 05 21:25:24 <SpeedEvil> Meh.
Dec 05 21:25:29 * SpeedEvil finds mkfs.ext3
Dec 05 21:25:36 <Ghiottone> SpeedEvil, I think ext2 is compiled in as a module
Dec 05 21:26:00 <pavelm> ghiottone: Is there chance of finding navit.ipk somewhere on the net? ;-).
Dec 05 21:26:10 <Ghiottone> pavelm, I can make one for you
Dec 05 21:26:27 <Ghiottone> pavelm, but for the neo. is this what you want?
Dec 05 21:26:42 <pavelm> ghiottone: Yes, that would be very very nice ;-).
Dec 05 21:26:48 <CM> Ghiottone: Maybe you can add a row with a locked version to /home/moko/openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc
Dec 05 21:26:49 <Ghiottone> 0.0.1? or cvs?
Dec 05 21:27:28 <pavelm>  Ghiottone: cvs would be nice. I tried older versions on desktop and they were not too usable.
Dec 05 21:27:39 <SpeedEvil> pavelm: can't see it - oh well, given that I can mkfs it ext3, it doesn't matter so much. 
Dec 05 21:27:48 <SpeedEvil> pavelm: ext3 works
Dec 05 21:28:17 <pavelm> speedEvil: good
Dec 05 21:28:47 <Ghiottone> SpeedEvil, I read somewhere that booting from ext3 works while ext2 doesn't. that could mean that ext3 is compiled in while ext2 has to be modprobed
Dec 05 21:28:49 * SpeedEvil is upgrading! (to the nov version)
Dec 05 21:29:02 <SpeedEvil> Ghiottone: the kernel I have has not got a module for ext2
Dec 05 21:30:30 <Ghiottone> I have one here: fic-gta01:/lib/modules/2.6.22.5-moko11/kernel/fs/ext2
Dec 05 21:30:42 <Ghiottone> pavelm, build is in progress
Dec 05 21:30:42 <SpeedEvil> Linux fic-gta01 2.6.21.6-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Wed Aug 1 16:51:01 UTC 2007 armv4tl unknown
Dec 05 21:30:58 <Ghiottone> 2.6.21? why?
Dec 05 21:31:12 <pavelm> Ghiottone: Thanks~
Dec 05 21:31:19 <SpeedEvil> age
Dec 05 21:32:06 <Ghiottone> pavelm, I'll put it in my online repo
Dec 05 21:33:46 <Ghiottone> CM, if in the navit dir there are the 0.0.1, the 0.0.2 and the cvs version, build-package-navit chooses the 0.0.1
Dec 05 21:34:33 <pavelm> Ghiottone: What is url for the repository?
Dec 05 21:34:49 <Ghiottone> CM if I move away 0.0.1.bb it chooses the cvs one (I think, I'm waiting for the build to complete)
Dec 05 21:35:10 <Ghiottone> pavelm, mmm it is in my wiki userpage (Alessandro)
Dec 05 21:36:38 <pavelm> Thanks, I found it now.
Dec 05 21:36:56 <pavelm> I see "smstool"... does that mean openmoko can be used for sms-es these days?
Dec 05 21:37:06 <pavelm> ...I did my own hacks, but those were really horrible.
Dec 05 21:37:17 <balrog-kun> pavelm: yes, see recent mails on -devel
Dec 05 21:37:23 <Ghiottone> mm it is building tcl tk openssl and python native... I wonder why...
Dec 05 21:37:34 <abraxa_> pavelm: Actually, openmoko-messages2 is better suited for SMS
Dec 05 21:37:37 <CM> I think it can only recieve from people already in your address book, but besides that it should work
Dec 05 21:37:45 <Ghiottone> pavelm, smstool is a program from Christian. there is an official app now I think
Dec 05 21:38:07 * CM was thinking of openmoko-messages2
Dec 05 21:38:42 <Ghiottone> yes that one
Dec 05 21:38:49 <Ghiottone> did not try it yet myself
Dec 05 21:39:47 <pavelm> I see... SMS is not optional in my country.
Dec 05 21:42:35 <Ghiottone> pavelm, navit should be there now
Dec 05 21:43:02 <Ghiottone> pavelm, let me know if you are missing some packages
Dec 05 21:47:39 <pavelm> Uhuh, I seem to be missing gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) ... I guess I should not be installing it over angstrom?
Dec 05 21:49:29 <Ghiottone> do you want me to upload that one too? or do you want to try -force-depends?
Dec 05 21:49:54 * balrog-kun wonders what LaF0rge thinks of applying outstanding kernel & u-boot patches from MLs and bugzillas *before* making further updates so that the updates don't contribute to other people's code bit rotting
Dec 05 21:50:24 <pavelm> if you have that one handy, uploading it is probably easier
Dec 05 21:51:33 <pavelm> balrog: well, asking him to push other people's patches is probably bit much.
Dec 05 21:52:11 <balrog-kun> pavelm: push into openmoko tree? why?
Dec 05 21:52:22 <balrog-kun> and if the patches fix issues in his own code?
Dec 05 21:52:30 <pavelm> balrog: I meant "pushing to linus".
Dec 05 21:52:52 <pavelm> balrog: Well, when the patches fix issues in his own code... he should apply them, yes.
Dec 05 21:53:03 * pavelm does not expect Linus to take known-broken patches.
Dec 05 21:53:28 <balrog-kun> also most of the patches come from long before LaF0rge stopped being the official maintainer for these components
Dec 05 21:54:51 <pavelm> balrog: Okay, he should push those patches too, then.
Dec 05 21:55:59 <Ghiottone> pavelm, gtk+-fastscaling should be there too
Dec 05 21:56:35 <pavelm> ...actually he'll have to do that, as Linus will not take known-broken patches.
Dec 05 21:57:13 <ewon> realtime map of people editing wikipedia: http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html
Dec 05 21:57:55 <balrog-kun> pavelm: it's hard to know soemthing is known-broken without hours of search through bugzilla and list archives
Dec 05 21:58:35 <pavelm> Ghiottone: Thanks! ...gtk+-fastscalling will not install because gtk+ is already installed, hmm... So I'll try force-depends.
Dec 05 22:00:14 <Ghiottone> pavelm, I think one replaces the other
Dec 05 22:00:21 <pavelm> balrog: Well, let's see what happens.
Dec 05 22:00:30 <thos> pavelm: it does
Dec 05 22:00:42 <thos> pavelm: remove gtk+ first with --force-depends
Dec 05 22:01:10 <pavelm> thos: But that means I'll completely break the packaging system, right?
Dec 05 22:01:25 <thos> pavelm: not really, ipkg is pretty broken to start with ;-)
Dec 05 22:01:33 <thos> pavelm: what's the issue?
Dec 05 22:02:39 <pavelm> thos: I mean -- I'll have half of system depekding on gtk+, which is no longer there if I do that.
Dec 05 22:02:56 <thos> pavelm: yes, but you are just about to install gtk+-fastscaling
Dec 05 22:03:10 <thos> pavelm: to be honest though, there is only one line difference in the two packages
Dec 05 22:03:14 <pavelm> Ghiottone: navit seems to be linked with libgps.so.16, which is missing.
Dec 05 22:03:21 <thos> pavelm: it won't make the slightest bit of difference
Dec 05 22:03:26 <Ghiottone> ewon, that's amazing! it's like seeing neuronal cell activating in a world sized brain
Dec 05 22:03:27 * CM takes a nap
Dec 05 22:04:13 <pavelm> thos: I just installed navit using force... if there's almost no difference, that should work.
Dec 05 22:04:28 <thos> pavelm: what's navit, and why is it not working?
Dec 05 22:04:46 <Ghiottone> pavelm, I'll upload that one too
Dec 05 22:04:54 <pavelm> thanks, ghiottone!
Dec 05 22:05:13 <pavelm> thos: navit is vector map/routing application.
Dec 05 22:05:39 <thos> pavelm: ok, seems like you have some other depends missing anyway
Dec 05 22:08:00 <Ghiottone> pavelm, should be there
Dec 05 22:09:09 <Ghiottone> hello emmc 
Dec 05 22:10:03 <emmc> hi Ghiottone 
Dec 05 22:10:22 <Ghiottone> are you from italy?
Dec 05 22:10:58 <pavelm> ghiottone: I'm blind, libgps16 was already available from angstrom. And navit seems to work now. Thanks!
Dec 05 22:11:27 <Ghiottone> pavelm, great :)
Dec 05 22:12:21 <pavelm> ...which means I'll no longer have to worry about rendering OSM maps. Given that czech republic is 7MB total, I can just  put all the vector data there. Good!
Dec 05 22:12:40 <bmk789> is the Atheros AR600x 802.11g, b, or a?
Dec 05 22:12:57 <mjr> g
Dec 05 22:13:03 <bmk789> ty
Dec 05 22:13:22 <SpeedEvil> pavelm: you're just caching tiles?
Dec 05 22:13:36 <Ghiottone> pavelm, how does it work?
Dec 05 22:13:59 <pavelm> SpeedEvil: I normally download tiles at hope, and use them using pygps on openmoko
Dec 05 22:14:32 <SpeedEvil> ah
Dec 05 22:14:45 <pavelm> Ghiottone: For navit on PC, I just downloaded part of planet.osm, converted it to navit's vector format, and used that.
Dec 05 22:15:08 <pavelm> mjr: I was told you are actually using openmoko for calls. What's "known good" version?
Dec 05 22:15:18 <Ghiottone> I downloaded a tile from osm that just contained my area and converted to navit
Dec 05 22:15:26 <Ghiottone> but I could do only for a small box
Dec 05 22:15:39 <pavelm> mjr: I'd like to do hw hack to remove the "one extra transistor".. but having sw working first would be nice.
Dec 05 22:15:43 <Ghiottone> is there way to get the whole italy, for exmaple?
Dec 05 22:15:51 <abraxa_> mjr: The 2007.11 snapshot is good
Dec 05 22:15:59 <mjr> I use a scaredycat 200711071040, afraid to update :]
Dec 05 22:16:02 <abraxa_> err pavelm 
Dec 05 22:16:14 <SpeedEvil> Ghiottone: I have a trivial script that downloads tiles of OSM that you can then load into JOSM, merge, and save.
Dec 05 22:16:29 <pavelm> Ghiottone: There's planet.osm somewhere. And for czech republic, someone provides filtered czech-republic.osm
Dec 05 22:16:43 <pavelm> Ghiottone: You could probably download planet.osm and do filtering yourself.
Dec 05 22:16:50 <Ghiottone> pavelm, I have downloaded it already
Dec 05 22:16:57 <Ghiottone> how do I do the filtering?
Dec 05 22:17:11 <nelson> Is anybody else relying on agg?
Dec 05 22:17:26 <pavelm> abraxa: Do you mean "Sleep works, and incoming call will wake it"? Good.
Dec 05 22:17:31 <nelson> I'm curious, because it doesn't build.
Dec 05 22:18:02 <SpeedEvil> Ghiottone: http://www.mauve.plus.com/getmap
Dec 05 22:18:08 <OJW> http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/osm-extract/planetosm-excerpt-area.pl
Dec 05 22:18:09 <abraxa_> pavelm: Don't put words into my mouth ;)  - and I haven't tested it so no clue
Dec 05 22:18:10 <SpeedEvil> Ghiottone: http://www.mauve.plus.com/dogetmap
Dec 05 22:18:25 <SpeedEvil> Ghiottone: this outputs several stitched-together tiles downloaded from the API
Dec 05 22:18:43 <CIA-14> 03andrew * r3582 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/boards.h hw/neo1973.c vl.c): Add a paravirtual GTA02-like machine based on GTA01 + GPS.
Dec 05 22:18:50 <SpeedEvil> Ghiottone: it's only really usable for a couple of degrees by a couple of degrees though
Dec 05 22:19:23 <pavelm> Ghiotton: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Planet.osm#Extracts ... see "steps to clip..."
Dec 05 22:19:49 <Ghiottone> wow! lots of things! thanks all!
Dec 05 22:19:51 * pavelm did not do that himself, I just downloaded czech republic provided by kubajz.
Dec 05 22:21:05 <pavelm> Ok... I probably have new enough software in phase1 openmoko.. so I guess I'll attempt transistor-sectomy.
Dec 05 22:21:34 <SpeedEvil> got the tools?
Dec 05 22:21:51 <pavelm> speed: Got someone who has them... and claims that it should be easy.
Dec 05 22:21:56 <SpeedEvil> should be
Dec 05 22:22:11 <SpeedEvil> if the transistor is outside the can, or the can can be removed easily
Dec 05 22:22:35 <pavelm> phase1 that can't sleep is about as good as phase0, so I do not have much to loose.
Dec 05 22:22:45 <pavelm> can == shielding?
Dec 05 22:23:27 <SpeedEvil> yes
Dec 05 22:23:35 <SpeedEvil> there were reports that some were not openable
Dec 05 22:24:05 <pavelm> I guess I'll find out within a week.
Dec 05 22:25:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1095 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it
Dec 05 22:25:01 <cdbot2> * * Calculator isn't using LINGUAS
Dec 05 22:25:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1095
Dec 05 22:26:27 <Ghiottone> where do I get the official 2007.11 snapshot?
Dec 05 22:30:42 <abraxa_> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/
Dec 05 22:31:15 <Ghiottone> mmm thanks. I should have look there by myself :P
Dec 05 22:38:23 <pavelm> ...so navit actually works (slowly) for me with map of czechia. Good.
Dec 05 22:38:52 <nelson> pavelm: excellent!
Dec 05 22:40:08 <AVee> Thats cool.
Dec 05 22:40:12 <Ghiottone> great :)
Dec 05 22:40:55 <AVee> How slow is it, good enough to hope for proper performance on the gta02?
Dec 05 22:42:51 <mwester> BogoMIPS        : 132.71
Dec 05 22:42:57 <pavelm> AVee: it depends on zoom level. If I zoom out to see whole country, it gets slow. 
Dec 05 22:43:01 <mwester> I expect the GTA02 will be faster.
Dec 05 22:43:11 <mwester> :P
Dec 05 22:43:14 <pavelm> I'll try to use it for real and will see.
Dec 05 22:43:32 <pavelm> Hello, RoboPhread. Are you a robot?
Dec 05 22:44:17 <pavelm> ...yes, I expect it to be fully usable on openmoko
Dec 05 22:44:21 <pavelm> robot attack?
Dec 05 22:44:23 <AVee> Cute, especially since I happen to live in a country with full openstreetmap coverage :)
Dec 05 22:44:35 <pavelm> AVee: where should I move to? ;-)
Dec 05 22:44:42 <AVee> Netherlands...
Dec 05 22:44:46 <Ghiottone> pavelm, mm I use ircatwork from ... work
Dec 05 22:44:47 <AVee> Thanks to AND
Dec 05 22:45:11 <alphaone> AVee: Ah, mapping yourself is fun, too. :-)
Dec 05 22:45:21 <tonyg> anyone know off the top of their heads what the AT command for sending DTMF during a call is?
Dec 05 22:45:38 <pavelm> AVee: I do not think "full coverage" exists. You can still map paths in woods ;-)
Dec 05 22:45:52 <AVee> Well, there's some work left, my home is not (yet) on the map for starters.
Dec 05 22:46:17 <pavelm> We did import of motorways / 1st class / 2nd class roads, so czechia has quite a good coverage, too.
Dec 05 22:47:00 <AVee> That should be enough to make it at least usefull.
Dec 05 22:47:44 <SpeedEvil> Is there a 'open GPRS' app on the currentish images?
Dec 05 22:49:40 <pavelm> speed: I have some scripts...
Dec 05 22:49:51 <SpeedEvil> I have some scripts too. :)
Dec 05 22:50:14 <Ghiottone> SpeedEvil, settings gui has a gprs panel
Dec 05 22:50:35 <pavelm> speed: I guessed so :-). But mine connect over bluetooth to nokia 6151 because that actually has UMTS ;-)
Dec 05 22:51:50 <DukeOfURL> I'm trying to connect with T-Mobile (US) and no joy.
Dec 05 22:51:55 * pavelm has to open window to get GPS fix. Unfortunately, there's 7degC outside.
Dec 05 22:52:05 <Ghiottone> 850MHz issue?
Dec 05 22:52:36 <DukeOfURL> No, voice works.
Dec 05 22:52:43 <Hortinstein> u think t-mobile will work with furture versions?
Dec 05 22:53:16 <SpeedEvil> Ghiottone: where is the settings panel?
Dec 05 22:53:44 <Ghiottone> SpeedEvil, no, it is a separate application. SettingsGUI
Dec 05 22:58:57 <nelson> Anybody here have commit privs?
Dec 05 22:59:44 <thos> nelson: why?
Dec 05 22:59:49 <thos> nelson: and to what ;-)
Dec 05 23:00:16 <nelson> agg doesn't install its libraries in staging.
Dec 05 23:00:31 <nelson> There's a patch in bugzilla which fixes the .bb file.
Dec 05 23:00:49 <DukeOfURL> Ghiottone: where can we find SettingsGUI?
Dec 05 23:01:04 <Hortinstein> Hi all, this is my first time here.  I am a Computer Science student at Washington State University, and a future consumer user for OpenMoko, though I hope to develop some apps in the future.  I should have probably been hanging out here a while back since I am running www.mobilemoko.net and have been looking for any news and information about OpenMoko.  Just thought I would stop in and introduce myself.  I haven't purchased a Neo1973 yet, I am
Dec 05 23:02:32 <thos> nelson: you mean to the monotone repositor
Dec 05 23:02:38 <thos> nelson: ask XorA tomorrow
Dec 05 23:03:08 <nelson> k
Dec 05 23:04:40 <Ghiottone> DukeOfURL, if you search for it in the wiki you'll find its page. an ipkg package is available from my repo (Alessandro's userpage on the wiki)
Dec 05 23:05:01 <abraxa_> Heya Hortinstein! Welcome aboard and feel free to end your sentence :)
Dec 05 23:07:33 <ahven> hi, does anyone have u-boot-gta01bv3-r8_70124c2602ae2d4c5d3dba05b482d91548242de8_0_2040.bin in their archives?
Dec 05 23:07:43 <ahven> not listed on the websites anymore
Dec 05 23:12:54 <abraxa_> ahven: Just to make sure - you're 100% positive you want a GTA01Bv3 u-boot?
Dec 05 23:13:48 <Hortinstein> abraxa: thanks, this looks like the good place to be for moko updates haha, I just hope we get our hands on GTA02 soon.
Dec 05 23:14:00 <ahven> yes, the text in the bootloader says so "U-Boot 1.2.0-moko9_r8_70124...._0_2040"
Dec 05 23:14:35 <ahven> accidentally flashed the u-boot with kernel..stupid copy&paste habit
Dec 05 23:14:45 <Hortinstein> has anyone done any major python programming in OpenMoko? 
Dec 05 23:14:59 <ahven> but haven't done any restarts to it yet, so all hope is not lost
Dec 05 23:15:13 <abraxa_> ahven: Hmm... did you get the Neo from a Phase0 dev or are you one? Just wondering and trying to make sure you don't brick your device by flashing the wrong u-boot
Dec 05 23:15:31 <Ghiottone> Hortinstein, major as in what? there are a couple of apps. SettingsGUI for example is written in python
Dec 05 23:15:44 <ahven> abraxa_: nope, got it from a friend
Dec 05 23:16:04 <ahven> Starting download: [##################################################dfu_download error -110
Dec 05 23:16:04 <ahven> ] finished!
Dec 05 23:16:04 <ahven> unable to read DFU status
Dec 05 23:16:22 <ahven> tried the latest 01bv3 flashes
Dec 05 23:16:26 <ahven> and this comes up
Dec 05 23:16:34 <ahven> then have to replug the usb
Dec 05 23:16:43 <ahven> in order to establish connection
Dec 05 23:16:45 <Hortinstein> I was just curious about the viability of programming embedded apps in python.  I want to do a GPS profile setting manager, and a few other custom apps, and was curious how the hardware libraries are 
Dec 05 23:17:08 <abraxa_> ahven: Does your Neo say it's a Bv3 on a label underneath the cover?
Dec 05 23:17:50 <pavelm> navit now works including gps connection... good.
Dec 05 23:17:55 <ahven> 08.06 and 8.04
Dec 05 23:18:06 <ahven> nothing more written behind the cover
Dec 05 23:18:31 <ahven> and can't remove the battery to check under there
Dec 05 23:18:39 <ahven> will brick instantly
Dec 05 23:18:55 <abraxa_> ahven: No date code, serial or anything else? And no debug board?
Dec 05 23:19:00 <pavelm> Hortinstein: I have mokomenu running under python... and pygps, which is actually non-trivial
Dec 05 23:19:11 <ahven> no debug code
Dec 05 23:19:13 <pavelm> Hortinstein: Unless you are writing action game, python is probably okay.
Dec 05 23:19:16 <ahven> board*
Dec 05 23:19:21 <pavelm> (see www.sf.net/projects/tui)
Dec 05 23:19:24 <abraxa_> ahven: I'm being so doubtful because there should be about 50 Phase0 Neos around and it's extremely unlikely that you got one imo
Dec 05 23:19:36 <Hortinstein> cool, good to hear :)
Dec 05 23:19:54 <abraxa_> Bv3 Phase0, I mean
Dec 05 23:20:39 <pavelm> abraxa: Actually, there's like 37 phase0 around, with ~13 still in FIC hq, no?
Dec 05 23:20:45 <ahven> abraxa_: Phase0 was on sale?
Dec 05 23:20:51 <SpeedEvil> qah: no
Dec 05 23:20:53 <SpeedEvil> ah:
Dec 05 23:20:54 <ahven> friend told me that he bought it
Dec 05 23:20:56 <pavelm> abraxa: They should wait 2 years, then do a big auction.
Dec 05 23:21:02 <SpeedEvil> ahven: it was not officially for sale.
Dec 05 23:21:08 <pavelm> ahven: I can sell you one for $10000000
Dec 05 23:21:09 <SpeedEvil> ahven: people given them may have sold them
Dec 05 23:21:12 <Hortinstein> well you guys arn't exactly the kind of user I expect to go to my website, its more directed towards the less technically inclined, but I am hoping to post a lot of good guides and information when I get GTA02.  The URL is http://mobilemoko.net
Dec 05 23:21:15 <abraxa_> ahven: If he bought it then it's definitely Bv4, meaning a Bv3 u-boot won't work
Dec 05 23:21:21 <ahven> well, he told me that he bought it
Dec 05 23:21:23 <ahven> ok
Dec 05 23:21:30 <SpeedEvil> Hortinstein: likely to be several months yet
Dec 05 23:21:46 <Hortinstein> yeah i understand, but that will give me time to get a decent community following
Dec 05 23:21:48 <thos> ahven: it's easy to check which version
Dec 05 23:21:49 <ahven> u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin   19-Aug-2007 23:12  206K   << this _should_ wrk then?
Dec 05 23:21:59 <thos> ahven: there is a sticker behind the back panel
Dec 05 23:22:04 <Hortinstein> only around 50-200 hits a day
Dec 05 23:22:29 <ahven> watching it...only two sets of number: 08.06 and 8.04
Dec 05 23:22:33 <Hortinstein> I am hoping to establish it before consumers are getting there hands on it
Dec 05 23:22:41 <Hortinstein> (it being GTA02)
Dec 05 23:22:48 <thos> ahven: if there isn't a sticker, there is a label on the pcb
Dec 05 23:22:57 <abraxa_> ahven: Yes, though a more recent one would be better. http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f+svn20070829-r2.bin for example
Dec 05 23:23:06 <ahven> abraxa_: ok, will try
Dec 05 23:23:13 <thos> ahven: do you have a debug board?
Dec 05 23:23:15 <mwester> ahven: what is the prompt you get when you connect to u-boot (terminal session)?
Dec 05 23:23:22 <ahven> thos: nope
Dec 05 23:23:31 <thos> ahven: if you don't have a debug board DO NOT flash uboot
Dec 05 23:23:33 <abraxa_> thos: His Neo is already bricked but alive on battery so it's not like he has a choice :)
Dec 05 23:23:41 <thos> oh
Dec 05 23:23:43 <ahven> thos: accidentally happened
Dec 05 23:23:49 <ahven> wasn't planning on it
Dec 05 23:23:58 <thos> if it's already bricked, then how will you flash it?
Dec 05 23:24:07 <thos> ahven: does uboot load at all then?
Dec 05 23:24:08 <ahven> I haven't rebooted it yet
Dec 05 23:24:22 <thos> ahven: how do you know it's bricked?
Dec 05 23:24:32 <abraxa_> thos: He flashed a Bv3 u-boot
Dec 05 23:24:39 <ahven> thos: well, I overwrote u-boot with the kernel image
Dec 05 23:24:40 <thos> well, that was silly :-)
Dec 05 23:24:46 <abraxa_> ..or that
Dec 05 23:24:47 <thos> ahven: oops!
Dec 05 23:25:15 <metzenas> can't you check the hardware revision from /proc/cpuinfo ?
Dec 05 23:25:18 <pavelm> thos: What uboot do you want.
Dec 05 23:25:21 <Ghiottone> probably the uboot env is done too
Dec 05 23:25:25 <pavelm> I have both phase 0 and phase 1 versions.
Dec 05 23:25:26 <Ghiottone> s/done/gone/
Dec 05 23:25:26 <apt> Ghiottone meant: probably the uboot env is gone too
Dec 05 23:26:26 <Ghiottone> metzenas, he is in the uboot environment. if he leaves it he'll never get it back
Dec 05 23:26:38 <ahven> yes!
Dec 05 23:26:40 <metzenas> ok
Dec 05 23:26:44 <ahven> state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present
Dec 05 23:26:53 <ahven> seems like a promising sign
Dec 05 23:27:14 <mwester> Can you connect to uboot via a term emulator?
Dec 05 23:27:15 <abraxa_> Yay :)
Dec 05 23:27:29 <metzenas> I thought userspace... should get some sleep :)
Dec 05 23:27:47 <abraxa_> ahven: Don't reboot yet, please
Dec 05 23:28:14 <ahven> not planning
Dec 05 23:28:15 <abraxa_> ahven: Try connecting to u-boot using cu/screen/whatever so you can have a look at the u-boot env and save it
Dec 05 23:28:33 <abraxa_> e.g. screen /dev/ttyACM0
Dec 05 23:30:13 <ahven> Environment size: 1075/16380 bytes
Dec 05 23:30:16 <ahven> saveenv then?
Dec 05 23:31:25 <abraxa_> mwester: Do you agree when I say that he can just save the environment the current u-boot has in mem?
Dec 05 23:33:56 <abraxa_> ahven: I take that as a yes, so go ahead :)
Dec 05 23:34:08 <abraxa_> Also, have a look at the environment with "printenv" after saving it
Dec 05 23:34:21 <ahven> just had a look
Dec 05 23:34:22 <abraxa_> Just to make sure it looks sane
Dec 05 23:34:43 <abraxa_> Compared it with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#Environment , yes?
Dec 05 23:35:18 <ahven> yep
Dec 05 23:35:37 <abraxa_> Alrighty
Dec 05 23:36:13 <abraxa_> In that case I'd say you're good to go, though before that I want to hear a second opinion just to make sure I didn't forget anything (it's 1:30am after all)
Dec 05 23:37:27 <ahven> no hurrys yet, updating kernel & root as well, as I intended in the first place
Dec 05 23:39:00 <ahven> one thing was weird though
Dec 05 23:39:56 <abraxa_> Which?
Dec 05 23:40:12 <ahven> Connected.
Dec 05 23:40:12 <ahven> DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1
Dec 05 23:40:12 <ahven> Enabling automatic fast charge
Dec 05 23:40:12 <ahven> NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000
Dec 05 23:40:12 <ahven> OK
Dec 05 23:40:13 <ahven> GTA01Bv4 # ~.
Dec 05 23:40:38 <pavelm> ahven: I'd seriously flash uboot ASAP. You are probably running on battery power... when your battery runs dry, you have a brick.
Dec 05 23:40:38 <ahven> after "fast charge" it stopped, and after pressing enter is displayed that erasing message
Dec 05 23:41:05 <pavelm> So it identifies as  GTA01Bv4? 
Dec 05 23:41:17 <pavelm> ...then take phase1 uboot and flash it.
Dec 05 23:41:21 <ahven> v3 didn't flash on that device
Dec 05 23:41:27 <ahven> and v4 did instantly
Dec 05 23:41:53 <ahven> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f+svn20070829-r2.bin is currently flashed
Dec 05 23:42:04 <pavelm> good. so you are actually safe...?
Dec 05 23:42:09 <abraxa_> ahven: It might've noticed that the check sum of the u-boot env is off and erased it
Dec 05 23:42:21 <SpeedEvil> Can anything on the phone GUI tell me the phone number?
Dec 05 23:42:31 <ahven> abraxa_: thought of something like that
Dec 05 23:43:14 <ahven> is it regenerated on boot?
Dec 05 23:43:31 <pavelm> speed: I do not think so.
Dec 05 23:43:49 <SpeedEvil> oh well.
Dec 05 23:44:07 <pavelm> speed; You can just call me, and I'll tell you ;-)
Dec 05 23:44:47 <abraxa_> ahven: You saved the env after that memory area was erased, right?
Dec 05 23:45:04 <ahven> yup
Dec 05 23:46:46 <abraxa_> ahven: What does "dynenv set" say?
Dec 05 23:46:52 <abraxa_> err
Dec 05 23:46:53 <abraxa_> get
Dec 05 23:46:56 <abraxa_> Gah
Dec 05 23:47:40 <ahven> 0x00040000
Dec 05 23:48:50 <ahven> erasing nand of rootfs isn't required, when the new image is bigger than the last, right?
Dec 05 23:49:49 <SpeedEvil> as long as you haven't touched the fs
Dec 05 23:49:53 <abraxa_> ahven: Nope, and if the u-boot you just flashed works on reboot you won't have to worry about that anymore
Dec 05 23:49:57 <SpeedEvil> if you've installed extra stuff, hten yes
Dec 05 23:49:57 <pavelm> ahven: That, or with recent uboots. That particular bug was fixed.
Dec 05 23:50:22 <ahven> oh
Dec 05 23:50:39 <ahven> info in wiki is outdated then? 
Dec 05 23:50:41 <Ghiottone> ahven, but even if you flashed a recent uboot, you have to reboot in order to run the fixed version
Dec 05 23:50:48 <abraxa_> ahven: Do a dynpart followed by a saveenv please
Dec 05 23:51:05 <ahven> will do after rootfs flash
Dec 05 23:51:36 <abraxa_> okay
Dec 05 23:51:38 <Ghiottone> does dynpart rewrite the partition table?
Dec 05 23:51:52 <abraxa_> Ghiottone: Yes, and that's a Good Thing to do for him :)
Dec 05 23:51:59 <Ghiottone> if it does, then probably rootfs will have to be reflashed
Dec 05 23:52:04 <Ghiottone> abraxa_, yeah I agree
Dec 05 23:52:26 <ahven> so, I should abort the rootfs flash?
Dec 05 23:52:31 <abraxa_> In theory the partition table should not change anyway
Dec 05 23:52:55 <abraxa_> ahven: You have nothing to lose, so just let it finish and see if it works later
Dec 05 23:53:00 <ahven> ok
Dec 05 23:53:39 <ahven> is the GSM working on the latest versions btw?
Dec 05 23:53:54 <SpeedEvil> ahven: I've recently flashed:  
Dec 05 23:54:01 <SpeedEvil> openmoko-november-snapshot.rootfs.tar.gz
Dec 05 23:54:12 <SpeedEvil> and it makes calls for me
Dec 05 23:54:20 <ahven> so it should work, in theory
Dec 05 23:54:42 <abraxa_> Unless you hit the 3G bug or live in a 850MHz area, yeah :)
Dec 05 23:54:59 <ahven> US is far away from here :P
Dec 05 23:55:06 <abraxa_> hehe okay
Dec 05 23:55:26 <abraxa_> What country are you in btw?
Dec 05 23:55:30 <ahven> Estonia
Dec 05 23:56:16 <abraxa_> Eh... okay... finding a debug board there might be rather... difficult
Dec 05 23:56:30 <ahven> yup :)
Dec 05 23:56:56 <pavelm> ahven: but you could use it as an excuse to visit Prague ;-)
Dec 05 23:56:59 <ahven> hehe
Dec 05 23:57:17 <DukeOfURL> Ghiottone: ping
Dec 05 23:57:42 <ahven> have to look into BT networking later
Dec 05 23:57:56 * SpeedEvil passes ahven a pan.
Dec 05 23:57:56 <ahven> would love to use the net through my 6120C
Dec 05 23:58:14 <metzenas> ahven, does your nick mean a certain type of fish in estonian also? at least in finnish it does :)
Dec 05 23:58:18 <Ghiottone> DukeOfURL, pong
Dec 05 23:58:23 <ahven> metzenas: yep :)
Dec 05 23:59:34 <DukeOfURL> I have the Neo attached to a USB port on OS/X Leopard.  During ipkg install SettingsGUI, libpython, OS/X crashes.  Very strange...
Dec 06 00:00:10 <Ghiottone> weird
Dec 06 00:00:16 <DukeOfURL> very
Dec 06 00:00:33 <Ghiottone> try installing a package at once
Dec 06 00:00:38 <DukeOfURL> the mac is just passing back and forth
Dec 06 00:00:45 <ahven> just out of curiosity, what does "nand erase" do, without any specific parameters? is the phone restorable after that before restarting it?
Dec 06 00:01:08 <Ghiottone> try ipkg install SettingsGUI -noaction
Dec 06 00:01:13 <Ghiottone> mmm
Dec 06 00:01:21 <Ghiottone> try ipkg install -noaction SettingsGUI
Dec 06 00:01:30 <DukeOfURL> Ghiottone: I already successfully performed ipkg update and ipkg upgrade
Dec 06 00:01:37 <CoreDump> ahven: with JTAG, sure. I'm not sure whether u-boot would survive that
Dec 06 00:01:55 <abraxa_> ahven: "nand erase" wipes your entire flash so it's a bad thing to execute 
Dec 06 00:02:07 <ahven> I can imagine :)
Dec 06 00:02:21 <metzenas> ahven, i did wonder earlier if you were finnish or if it just happened to mean something in finnish, but again reality was even more interresting :)
Dec 06 00:02:31 <Ghiottone> DukeOfURL, installing a package at once did help?
Dec 06 00:02:33 <abraxa_> ahven: Normally you need a debug board to recover from that, however as you were inside u-boot at the time it should be no worse than what your oops already caused
Dec 06 00:02:38 <josch> hey all! check out my self made openmoko oss candles! :-D http://rabenfrost.net/josch/100_5296.JPG <= yeah you hear right! openmoko candles but they are nowhere to buy ^^
Dec 06 00:03:18 <ahven> abraxa_: aha :)
Dec 06 00:03:32 <ahven> metzenas: well, i'm .ee, not .fi :)
Dec 06 00:03:35 * CoreDump likes the tux candle ;) Nicely done
Dec 06 00:03:37 <abraxa_> ahven: Did your rootfs flashing finish?
Dec 06 00:03:41 <ahven> almost
Dec 06 00:04:05 <zeal_> join #c
Dec 06 00:04:27 <zeal_> typo
Dec 06 00:05:35 <pavelm> Speed: You said calls actually work for you. Can you put the phone into suspend2ram and then receive call?
Dec 06 00:05:59 <SpeedEvil> pavelm: I could - I have no reason to believe it'll wake up thogh.
Dec 06 00:06:08 <SpeedEvil> I've done that with older software
Dec 06 00:06:33 <SpeedEvil> the modem returns engaged to the caller
Dec 06 00:06:45 <SpeedEvil> do you think it might have changed?
Dec 06 00:06:59 <metzenas> ahven, seems it just crossed my mind. wasn't curious enough to actually check :)
Dec 06 00:08:44 <abraxa_> ahven: When the rootfs finished flashing I would like to partially follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks#JTAG_.2F_OpenOCD_.2F_u-boot_RAM_based by doing "dynenv set", "saveenv" and writing u-boot again in case the partition for u-boot changed. After that I see no reason why u-boot shouldn't work and I don't see anyone else giving hints on that issue, so... :)
Dec 06 00:09:12 <ahven> ok
Dec 06 00:09:27 <abraxa_> "dynenv set u-boot_env" even
Dec 06 00:09:49 <ahven> state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present
Dec 06 00:09:50 <ahven> Done!
Dec 06 00:09:50 <ahven> Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode
Dec 06 00:09:51 <metzenas> i should get some sleep, but it's like watching a thriller. will the neo brick or is the team of hackers at #openmoko going to safe the world :)
Dec 06 00:09:55 <pavelm> Speed: It has to wake to be useful.
Dec 06 00:10:27 <SpeedEvil> pavelm: I know
Dec 06 00:10:28 <pavelm> Speed: I think  I seen some blog entry saying that wakeups actually work...
Dec 06 00:10:34 <ahven> ack...enter in the "cu" equals last command entered
Dec 06 00:10:50 <SpeedEvil> pavelm: latest I understood was that ... meh
Dec 06 00:10:52 * SpeedEvil tries
Dec 06 00:11:24 <ahven> GTA01Bv4 # dynenv set
Dec 06 00:11:24 <ahven> Usage:
Dec 06 00:11:24 <ahven> dynenv  - dynamically placed (NAND) environment
Dec 06 00:11:46 <ahven> aah
Dec 06 00:11:58 <abraxa_> ahven: dynpart should list 0x00004000(u-boot env), so you'll do "dynenv set u-boot_env"
Dec 06 00:12:10 <SpeedEvil> oooh
Dec 06 00:12:27 <ahven> yup
Dec 06 00:12:27 <SpeedEvil> it woke
Dec 06 00:12:38 <SpeedEvil> however - this is from 'suspend to RAM'
Dec 06 00:12:52 <SpeedEvil> from memory, when I last checked power usage, this was quite high
Dec 06 00:13:07 <SpeedEvil> I simply did echo mem >/sys/powerr/state
Dec 06 00:13:42 <ahven> boot rewritten
Dec 06 00:13:47 <ahven> and time to reboot
Dec 06 00:13:52 * abraxa_ crosses fingers
Dec 06 00:14:04 <metzenas> good luck!
Dec 06 00:14:05 <SpeedEvil> however, it did not righ.
Dec 06 00:14:24 <ahven> yay
Dec 06 00:14:25 <SpeedEvil> Also, it did not ring after I hung up and rang it again
Dec 06 00:14:26 <ahven> it boots :)
Dec 06 00:14:29 <SpeedEvil> :)
Dec 06 00:14:30 <abraxa_> Woot!
Dec 06 00:14:33 <metzenas> cool :)
Dec 06 00:14:43 <Ghiottone> gratz!!!
Dec 06 00:15:10 <ahven> many thanks :)
Dec 06 00:15:27 <abraxa_> Glad to be of assistance
Dec 06 00:16:18 <SpeedEvil> pavelm: it rings normally
Dec 06 00:16:27 <metzenas> now i can sleep without thinking what happens to that poor neo :)
Dec 06 00:16:33 <ahven> :)
Dec 06 00:16:35 <abraxa_> lol
Dec 06 00:17:20 <metzenas> good night everyone -->
Dec 06 00:17:59 <abraxa_> Good night, merriam 
Dec 06 00:18:03 <abraxa_> metzenas
Dec 06 00:18:08 <ahven> night
Dec 06 00:18:42 <ahven> is there any better editor than vi? :)
Dec 06 00:19:08 <ahven> or installable?
Dec 06 00:19:14 <abraxa_> Via ipkg, sure
Dec 06 00:19:21 <abraxa_> nano, for example
Dec 06 00:22:09 <ahven> that's interesting, no wireless yet, but the configuration exists in "interfaces" :)
Dec 06 00:26:01 <ahven> weird
Dec 06 00:26:13 <ahven> how do you "unlock"?
Dec 06 00:26:20 <abraxa_> Unlock?
Dec 06 00:26:34 <ahven> hold down power and lock from there
Dec 06 00:26:38 <abraxa_> Ah
Dec 06 00:26:53 <abraxa_> Slide the bottom thing all the way to the top
Dec 06 00:27:03 <abraxa_> "thing" cause it depends on the theme what it is :)
Dec 06 00:32:34 <ahven> nice, they found suitable wifi chipset for GTA02? :) 
Dec 06 00:32:48 <abraxa_> Yeah, quite a while ago actually
Dec 06 00:32:59 <abraxa_> The driver for it makes significant progress, too
Dec 06 00:34:41 <ahven> but I still am puzzled by the "thing"
Dec 06 00:34:52 <ahven> I'm using the latest rootfs with the default theme
Dec 06 00:34:53 <abraxa_> What does it look like to you?
Dec 06 00:35:00 <SpeedEvil> party-: whee
Dec 06 00:35:04 <SpeedEvil> sigh
Dec 06 00:35:13 <SpeedEvil> Anyway.
Dec 06 00:35:26 <SpeedEvil> as pavel seems to have gone, I'll have to tell the rest of you.
Dec 06 00:35:35 * abraxa_ listens
Dec 06 00:35:45 <SpeedEvil> echo mem >/sys/power/state - takes the power usage down to about 50mA
Dec 06 00:35:56 <SpeedEvil> and then - it wakes on reciept of a camll
Dec 06 00:36:15 <SpeedEvil> call that is - not camel.
Dec 06 00:36:37 <abraxa_> 50mA doesn't sound too shabby to me :)
Dec 06 00:36:45 <SpeedEvil> however - gsmd seems confused - and it doesn't answer the call
Dec 06 00:36:54 <SpeedEvil> no - that's what - basically a day standby
Dec 06 00:37:00 <SpeedEvil> and that was without the amp off
Dec 06 00:37:06 <SpeedEvil> so call it 30mA maybe
Dec 06 00:37:08 <SpeedEvil> or 40h
Dec 06 00:37:26 <abraxa_> Nice :D
Dec 06 00:37:30 <DukeOfURL> Ghiottone: it's very consistent--leopard crashes during libpython download.  I guess leopards don't like pythons...
Dec 06 00:37:32 <SpeedEvil> Sigh
Dec 06 00:37:39 <SpeedEvil> cu has gone away in the latest image
Dec 06 00:37:45 <SpeedEvil> is tehre anything similar?
Dec 06 00:37:47 <ahven> abraxa_: big clock in middle :)
Dec 06 00:37:57 <ahven> digital*
Dec 06 00:38:20 <abraxa_> ahven: Like http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7ad0a013a3bffd525574f72fe811d696.png ?
Dec 06 00:38:31 <ahven> yup
Dec 06 00:38:53 <abraxa_> That's the home screen, it's in unlocked state :)
Dec 06 00:39:01 <abraxa_> Try hitting the tabs on the bottom
Dec 06 00:39:54 <ahven> I lock it and it stays dimmed
Dec 06 00:39:59 <ahven> no background light or so
Dec 06 00:40:17 <abraxa_> What rootfs did you flash?
Dec 06 00:40:32 <ahven> openmoko-image-fic-gta01.jffs2
Dec 06 00:40:39 <abraxa_> From where?
Dec 06 00:40:55 <ahven> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D
Dec 06 00:41:10 <abraxa_> Ah okay
Dec 06 00:41:23 <abraxa_> That doesn't have the lock feature I was talking about :)
Dec 06 00:41:31 <abraxa_> I recommend flashing the 2007.11 snapshop
Dec 06 00:41:33 <abraxa_> shot*
Dec 06 00:41:38 <ahven> link?
Dec 06 00:41:46 <UbuNero> hi. this is an english room?
Dec 06 00:41:50 <abraxa_> ahven: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/
Dec 06 00:41:56 <SpeedEvil> UbuNero: yes
Dec 06 00:42:11 <ahven> abraxa_: I pressed power for a bit and the picture returned
Dec 06 00:42:20 <UbuNero> gulp. you know an italian room about openmoko?
Dec 06 00:42:22 <abraxa_> ahven: Yeah, that's how it was before
Dec 06 00:44:02 <ahven> though it doesn't want to return the original screen every time
Dec 06 00:44:21 <abraxa_> ahven: If I were you I wouldn't bother with that :)
Dec 06 00:44:22 <ahven> ok, time for sleep, will flash with the snapshot in the morning or evening
Dec 06 00:44:24 <ahven> night
Dec 06 00:44:27 <abraxa_> Good night
Dec 06 00:47:57 <SpeedEvil> Would anyone take a guess at how much a 'on phone' dev environment might need? Assuming that you're just doing 'normal' stuff, so don't need full libc/gtx/X/... source
Dec 06 00:48:25 <abraxa_> SpeedEvil: torpor wrote a mail about that just today
Dec 06 00:48:42 <SpeedEvil> he did?
Dec 06 00:48:49 <SpeedEvil> damn
Dec 06 00:48:54 <abraxa_> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-December/001756.html
Dec 06 00:48:56 <daMaestro> grr... anyone also having issues with ipkg and the latest official snapshot?
Dec 06 00:49:07 <SpeedEvil> my mail machine is across the room and I just lay down.
Dec 06 00:49:08 <SpeedEvil> ah
Dec 06 00:49:10 <SpeedEvil> thanks!
Dec 06 00:49:13 <abraxa_> No prob
Dec 06 00:49:51 <SpeedEvil> Oh - killing and restarting gsmd did not fix the wakeup issue
Dec 06 00:49:54 <SpeedEvil> post-wakeup issue
Dec 06 00:50:03 <SpeedEvil> it seems not to talk to the modem
Dec 06 00:50:03 <DukeOfURL> my $OMDIR is 5.2G
Dec 06 00:50:29 <SpeedEvil> DukeOfURL: that's including GTK/X/... though?
Dec 06 00:50:41 <DukeOfURL> yes, the whole cigar
Dec 06 01:05:18 <CIA-14> 03abraxa * r3583 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (21 files in 2 dirs): 
Dec 06 01:05:18 <CIA-14> Phase out guitools.c and move useful helper functions to utils.c
Dec 06 01:05:18 <CIA-14> Fix cover view widget order for proper cover image use
Dec 06 01:05:18 <CIA-14> Add mplayer video support (albeit still slightly buggy)
Dec 06 01:05:18 <CIA-14> Fix bug that displays random track positions/lengths before a track loads
Dec 06 01:32:10 <duffyd> hi, just loaded up the 2007.11 image and I can't seem to scroll the list of apps when I click on the '+'
Dec 06 01:34:13 <abraxa_> duffyd: Try scrolling the other way :)
Dec 06 01:35:51 <duffyd> k
Dec 06 01:36:08 <duffyd> you're right!
Dec 06 01:36:12 <duffyd> abraxa_: thanks ;)
Dec 06 01:40:46 <duffyd> how do you change the background image on startup?
Dec 06 01:42:13 <abraxa_> openmoko-apperance
Dec 06 01:42:19 <abraxa_> (it's not in the default rootfs)
Dec 06 01:42:29 <abraxa_> Or use gconftool2 to edit the gconf key
Dec 06 01:46:31 <abraxa_> e.g. dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper "/moo.png"
Dec 06 01:50:37 <daMaestro> wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
Dec 06 01:50:37 <daMaestro> Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/fic-gta01/Packages.gz
Dec 06 01:50:43 <daMaestro> anyone also getting these issues?
Dec 06 01:51:10 <daMaestro> or.. maybe i should ask.. how do i fix ipkg?
Dec 06 01:55:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1096 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de
Dec 06 01:55:01 <cdbot2> * * Closing a non-Gtk+ application w/ neod kills X
Dec 06 01:55:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1096
Dec 06 02:02:11 <abraxa_> daMaestro: Just use ScaredyCat's repo :)
Dec 06 02:02:42 <abraxa_> Can just grab http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/scaredycat.conf and put it into /etc/ipkg, followed by an ipkg update
Dec 06 02:26:54 <duffyd> abraxa_: thanks again :)
Dec 06 02:28:10 <duffyd> abraxa_: I'm still not getting the contacts off of my SIM within contacts
Dec 06 02:28:14 <duffyd> abraxa_: is there a trick for this?
Dec 06 02:34:55 <magellan> Does anyone know of an install guide for dfu-usb? I am having problems with the autogen.sh script
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