**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 10 02:59:57 2007
Dec 10 03:15:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1112 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Dec 10 03:15:02 <cdbot2> * * remove a unsupported AT command in gsmd
Dec 10 03:15:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1112
Dec 10 03:17:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1113 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com
Dec 10 03:17:02 <cdbot2> * * AT%CPHS returns NO SIM ERROR
Dec 10 03:17:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1113
Dec 10 03:41:30 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3620 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: gsmd: bug#1112 remove a unsupported AT command (Erin Yueh)
Dec 10 04:08:33 <xzcvczx> hmmm om.org seems to be down again :S
Dec 10 04:47:29 <xzcvczx> !seen nnpiggy
Dec 10 04:47:31 <cdbot2> nnpiggy (n=nnpiggy@qiqinebs.chi.il.us) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 4 days, 15 hours, 45 minutes ago stating (Remote closed the connection).
Dec 10 04:48:02 <xzcvczx> sweet.... 
Dec 10 04:48:15 * xzcvczx now has the i2c pressure sensor for his neo
Dec 10 04:56:44 <SpeedEvil>  np: Queen - Under Pressure.
Dec 10 05:37:30 <xcasex> xzcvczx: i2c.. pressure.. sensor?
Dec 10 05:37:36 <xcasex> gta01 or 02 ?
Dec 10 05:38:26 <I-MOD> xzcvczx, for sensing your face against the phone body? or what?
Dec 10 05:38:46 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: air pressure
Dec 10 05:38:48 <SpeedEvil> err
Dec 10 05:38:51 <SpeedEvil> xcasex:
Dec 10 05:39:10 <I-MOD> barometric stuff
Dec 10 05:42:12 <xzcvczx> xcasex: well i have 2 so i will put one in gta01 and still have one left over for 02
Dec 10 05:42:34 <xcasex> wait. you're actually soldering on your devboard?
Dec 10 05:42:37 <xzcvczx> I-MOD: altitude stuff mostly
Dec 10 05:42:43 <xzcvczx> xcasex: indeed
Dec 10 05:43:55 <xcasex> O_O
Dec 10 05:45:52 * CM wishes you xcsxcxcx guys would have slightly more different nicks so he wouldn't mix you two up all the time. ;)
Dec 10 05:46:54 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: who's? I don't recall any I2C pressure transducers. And I could do with one for a pitot.
Dec 10 05:47:24 <xzcvczx> CM: i was here first so his problem :P
Dec 10 05:47:33 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: bosch smd500
Dec 10 05:47:38 <CM> xzcvczx: Hehe ;)
Dec 10 05:47:52 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: Pa/b?
Dec 10 05:47:54 <xzcvczx> or as some people would say Shotgun not!
Dec 10 05:48:07 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: Pa/b?
Dec 10 05:48:08 <xzcvczx> ?
Dec 10 05:48:15 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: pascals per bit
Dec 10 05:48:30 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: or resolution
Dec 10 05:48:46 <xzcvczx> 16 bit resolution
Dec 10 05:49:01 <SpeedEvil> nice
Dec 10 05:49:16 <xzcvczx> 1100hPa to 300hPa i think
Dec 10 05:49:28 <xzcvczx> or something like that anyway -500m to 9000m
Dec 10 05:49:36 <SpeedEvil> Are they available in 1's?
Dec 10 05:49:50 <xzcvczx> good luck
Dec 10 05:50:26 <xzcvczx> i was lucky to have a good friend somewhere otherwise would have had to buy 3000 of the little f'ers
Dec 10 05:50:54 <SpeedEvil> :/
Dec 10 05:51:15 <xzcvczx> where are you based
Dec 10 05:51:27 <SpeedEvil> UK
Dec 10 05:51:48 <xzcvczx> you might find it easier than i did then try requesting a sample
Dec 10 05:52:04 <SpeedEvil> Maybe.
Dec 10 05:52:57 <SpeedEvil> However, the problem is that this would be small volume (R/C autopilots), so I'm in the awkward spot. One sample won't cut it, I need an ongoing way to buy a dozen or so.
Dec 10 05:53:26 <SpeedEvil> Oh well - freescales stuff is usable - though analog.
Dec 10 05:57:15 <xzcvczx> hmmmm well if we could find enough people we could buy 3k of them ( i know i could use a dozen or so) and just have someone order the lot and dole them out
Dec 10 05:57:27 <SpeedEvil> what's the price@3k?
Dec 10 05:57:37 <xzcvczx> but unfourtunatly will need a few people as it will be like 12k us
Dec 10 05:57:45 <cjb_ie> isn't that what people like digikey are for?
Dec 10 05:57:52 <SpeedEvil> cjb_ie: in principle.
Dec 10 05:57:56 <xzcvczx> cjb_ie: none of them have them
Dec 10 05:58:06 <SpeedEvil> cjb_ie: the problem is that digikey have to think they will sell 3000.
Dec 10 05:58:13 <SpeedEvil> cjb_ie: if they don't, they don't stock it.
Dec 10 05:58:44 <SpeedEvil> And the company doesn't especially care, as they are interested mainly in orders of 100K to go into a garmin foo.
Dec 10 06:17:19 <xcasex> ScaredyCat: ping me when you get in
Dec 10 06:36:34 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3621 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: Bug 1082 - PIN Status Missing (Erin Yueh)
Dec 10 06:40:11 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03john_lee * r3622 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/scripts/script-env: Modified to let BUILD_SYS adjust with user host.
Dec 10 06:45:42 <CoreDump> Does anybody have a large (~10MB) virus-infected file for me for testing purposes? The small eicar thingy wont do.
Dec 10 06:50:54 <xcasex> has anyone used the rootless X config for kdrive in relation to qtopia? :D
Dec 10 07:02:50 <CoreDump> fwiw, cat eicar >> somelargefile worked for me
Dec 10 07:05:38 <daMaestro> CoreDump, i would expect so, yes
Dec 10 07:08:59 * CM had never heard of Eicar before
Dec 10 07:22:47 <blindcoder> moin
Dec 10 07:40:48 <Mek> bah... when I try to run mokomakefile and/or bitbake I get an sqlite syntax error "pysqlite2.dbapi2.OperationalError: near "EXISTS": syntax error
Dec 10 07:40:59 <zash> the tierdness
Dec 10 07:44:31 <NineX> re
Dec 10 08:20:33 <hrw> morning
Dec 10 09:06:27 <xzcvczx> morning hrw
Dec 10 10:13:40 <cosmin> hi ppl
Dec 10 10:13:48 <zash> yo!
Dec 10 10:13:56 <cosmin> i am running openmoko in qemu and i need to copy some large files
Dec 10 10:14:38 <cosmin> there's not enough space, is there any way i can mount a fake card or something?
Dec 10 10:25:00 <xzcvczx> cosmin: lol just be aware you cant pick up the qemu device and use it to copy large files to a mates computer down the street
Dec 10 10:26:24 <cosmin> lol
Dec 10 10:27:18 <xcasex> O_o
Dec 10 10:27:25 <xcasex> u peepul r weird
Dec 10 10:30:40 <xzcvczx> xcasex: more to the point i misunderstand what sort of big files he would want to put on a virutal neo
Dec 10 10:38:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1114 has been created by ebbe(AT)skummer.com
Dec 10 10:38:02 <cdbot2> * * Can't unlock screen if keyboard on
Dec 10 10:38:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1114
Dec 10 10:39:56 <xzcvczx> bbs
Dec 10 10:40:35 <cosmin> well, let's just say i don't have enough space
Dec 10 10:40:52 <cosmin> if i had a real neo, i could use a card, right?
Dec 10 10:43:07 <mjr> Sure. And I'm sure you can add a storage device to your qemu too.
Dec 10 10:53:08 <cosmin> mjr: how can i do that?
Dec 10 10:54:13 <mjr> no idea
Dec 10 10:54:47 <xzcvczx> cosmin: what have you got in /dev in the virtual dev?
Dec 10 10:56:48 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03john_lee * r3623 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/ (COPYING COPYING.MIT LICENSE bin/om-conf): Adding license.
Dec 10 10:59:09 <cosmin> xzcvczx: yes, i do
Dec 10 10:59:25 <xzcvczx> that wasnt a yes/no question
Dec 10 10:59:43 <cosmin> sorry, i skipped the first word
Dec 10 10:59:57 <xzcvczx> lol
Dec 10 11:00:22 <CM> cosmin: Don't worry, most skip more than the first word of what xzcvczx says :P
Dec 10 11:00:24 <cheezoo> i seem to have a problem with running openmoko in qemu
Dec 10 11:00:55 <cosmin> lol, CM
Dec 10 11:00:57 <cheezoo> is this a right place to ask ?
Dec 10 11:01:06 <CM> cheezoo: Sure is, what's your problem?
Dec 10 11:01:34 <cheezoo> CM: well , the progress bar completes and nothing happens after that
Dec 10 11:01:51 * cosmin has to go, will be back later
Dec 10 11:01:58 <xzcvczx> cosmin: lol try this mount -o loop,offset=32256 [[hd''image]] [[tmp''dir]]
Dec 10 11:02:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1115 has been created by dodji(AT)openedhand.com
Dec 10 11:02:03 <cdbot2> * * avoid busy looping to wait for glamo engine idle state
Dec 10 11:02:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1115
Dec 10 11:02:28 <cosmin> xzcvczx: thanks, i'll try as soon as i get back
Dec 10 11:02:30 <xzcvczx> ~smack CM 
Dec 10 11:02:31 * apt smacks CM upside the head.
Dec 10 11:02:42 <xzcvczx> ~treat
Dec 10 11:02:50 <xzcvczx> dumb bot
Dec 10 11:04:22 <cheezoo> CM: top shows qemu consuming cpu around 20%
Dec 10 11:20:01 <cheezoo> CM: I get this error also s3c_mmci_write: Bad register 0x38
Dec 10 11:20:01 <cheezoo> s3c_mmci_write: Bad register 0x38
Dec 10 11:23:03 <xzcvczx> qemu is about as realiable as windowsME unfortunately
Dec 10 11:24:31 <cheezoo> is this problem seen before also?
Dec 10 11:37:32 <CM> cheezoo: Sorry, I'm at work and got busy
Dec 10 11:37:51 <cheezoo> CM: np :)
Dec 10 11:38:03 <CM> cheezoo: What image are you trying to run in qemu?
Dec 10 11:38:16 <CM> Built yourself or official? Using the makefile?
Dec 10 11:38:43 <cheezoo> CM: using Makefile
Dec 10 11:38:49 <CM> cheezoo: Also, if you you need expert help with qemu, you should try to find balrog-kun here
Dec 10 11:39:14 <cheezoo> well this is my first time with qemu and open moko
Dec 10 11:39:15 <CM> cheezoo: So you've built the complete image? Using make qemu-local?
Dec 10 11:39:25 <cheezoo> CM: i did a make qemu
Dec 10 11:39:34 <CM> Was mine too ~8 months ago ;)
Dec 10 11:39:43 <cheezoo> thats encouraging
Dec 10 11:39:44 <cheezoo> :)
Dec 10 11:39:59 <CM> Ok, you can make run-qemu, or make run-qemu-local I think
Dec 10 11:40:20 <CM> I haven't been running qemu much since I got my Neo ;)
Dec 10 11:40:37 <CM> But when I did, it took all the cpu it could, and it's still a lot slower than a real neo
Dec 10 11:41:27 <zash> CM: real neo as in gta01? && sounds promising for gta02 then :D
Dec 10 11:41:45 <xzcvczx> CM: i know sad huh
Dec 10 11:42:14 <CM> xzcvczx: Sure is.. I wonder what it is that makes it so cpu intesive
Dec 10 11:42:28 <CM> Guess some parts of it is really hard to optimize
Dec 10 11:42:43 <xzcvczx> CM: yeah due to the emulation part of it i guess
Dec 10 11:46:02 <xcasex> CM: question. how come the openmoko mtn is so dog slow?
Dec 10 11:46:08 <balrog-kun> cheezoo: yes, it's been seen before
Dec 10 11:46:29 <balrog-kun> cheezoo: it's not a problem, qemu will spit some messages like this which may be useful for the kernel hackers but you can safely ignore them
Dec 10 11:46:35 * balrog-kun is off, bbl
Dec 10 11:47:00 <CM> xcasex: Normally I'll blame everything that's slow on montone itself, but with this one I don't know. Maybe because the server is in .tw?
Dec 10 11:48:11 <xcasex> :/
Dec 10 11:50:20 <cheezo_> CM: sorry , got disconnected
Dec 10 11:50:35 <CM> xcasex: I'm using update-bleeding-edge anyway, since that's the oe repo
Dec 10 11:50:48 <CM> cheezo_: Oh, you missed balrog-kun's reply then?
Dec 10 11:51:07 <cheezo_> CM: yes
Dec 10 11:51:24 <PBeck> hi
Dec 10 11:51:50 <CM> cheezo_: http://rafb.net/p/JP0gS941.html
Dec 10 11:52:44 <cheezo_> ok thats fine , but doesn't provide some solution
Dec 10 11:52:54 <Ghiottone|work> hey CM
Dec 10 11:53:13 <xcasex> and i loathe the constant timeouts from the ipkg repo at om.org
Dec 10 11:53:33 <CM> Ghiottone|work: Hey there :)
Dec 10 11:53:44 <CM> Ghiottone|work: Fun bot you linked to before :D
Dec 10 11:54:03 <CM> xcasex: Use ScaredyCat's repo instead
Dec 10 11:54:21 <CM> xcasex: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories
Dec 10 11:54:21 <xcasex> CM: i am, but he's missing a lot of E related apps
Dec 10 11:54:27 <CM> Ah, ok
Dec 10 11:54:38 <CM> Hmm.. I'm building all quite often too
Dec 10 11:54:58 <CM> But I'm in the process of moving, so the page will only be up for another 11 days
Dec 10 11:55:04 <torpor> yo
Dec 10 11:55:09 <torpor> whats going on?
Dec 10 11:55:23 <torpor> you guys having any fun with yer neos or is it all just w1xer ..
Dec 10 11:55:25 <torpor> ;)
Dec 10 11:55:32 <CM> torpor: :P
Dec 10 11:55:35 <xcasex> :p
Dec 10 11:55:41 <CM> We're in constant pain.. ;)
Dec 10 11:55:47 <torpor> i'm lovin' mine.
Dec 10 11:56:41 <torpor> onboard gcc is, like, tha' bomb.  also, python+neo+usb-kb==sexy++;
Dec 10 11:57:19 <torpor> if i get gprs working on it soon, i'll probably sell my macbook and buy two gta02's .. ;)
Dec 10 11:57:30 <zash> torpor: a in-air projected 15"-screen would be nice to ;)
Dec 10 11:57:51 <gopi> I want an openmoko phone with two SIM cards.
Dec 10 11:58:01 <Ghiottone|work> CM: bot? which bot?
Dec 10 11:58:09 <Tek_Grmln> hello
Dec 10 11:58:20 <torpor> yeah, i have one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_projector
Dec 10 11:58:27 <CM> Ghiottone|work: THat tux robot
Dec 10 11:58:27 <xcasex> i want a neo w. a fully reconfigurable hot elven slut
Dec 10 11:58:31 <mjr> gprs wasn't a problem for me - if willing to lose calls for the duration :]
Dec 10 11:58:39 <Tek_Grmln> can someone tell me what I have to do to get the command cu on my neo
Dec 10 11:58:45 <xcasex> say is the neo 3g capable?
Dec 10 11:58:51 <torpor> i don't do calls on my moko yet.  with wlan i probably won't bother putting a SIM card in.
Dec 10 11:58:56 <torpor> but grps is nice for 'net in my hood
Dec 10 11:58:57 <zash> xcasex: no
Dec 10 11:59:08 <xcasex> Tek_Grmln: do not install cu on the moko götterdämmerung!
Dec 10 11:59:10 <torpor> to be honest a phone is the last thing i got the neo for. ;)
Dec 10 11:59:11 <Ghiottone|work> CM: oh yeah I almost forgot :) not that expensive and it might be fun to have :)
Dec 10 11:59:22 <gopi> I'm travelling. I would like to have incoming SMS from my US phone, which costs people zero to send.
Dec 10 11:59:31 <xcasex> the neo is an inexpensive sweet li'l pda
Dec 10 11:59:45 <gopi> Outgoing, though, should be with my local SIM.
Dec 10 11:59:50 <Ghiottone|work> bbl
Dec 10 11:59:55 <gopi> And when somebody calls my US number, I don't want to answer it.
Dec 10 12:00:11 <gopi> I want to pass that phone number to my local SIM or VoIP system and call them back.
Dec 10 12:00:18 <gopi> brb.
Dec 10 12:01:33 <roh> btw... i approved some frontpage news on projects
Dec 10 12:01:44 <xcasex> roh: link me up scotty :D
Dec 10 12:02:01 <roh> seems i need to look in there more often
Dec 10 12:02:17 <torpor> if i have two neo's both with wlan, only one of them needs a gprs connection ..
Dec 10 12:03:03 <balrog-kun> cheezo_: solution to what?
Dec 10 12:03:38 <torpor> roh: planet.om .. or .. whats the url again?
Dec 10 12:03:59 <cheezo_> balrog-kun: hi , the progress bar completes till the end and after that nothing happens
Dec 10 12:05:11 <balrog-kun> cheezo_: hmm, with a recent OpenMoko?
Dec 10 12:05:16 <balrog-kun> i will have to try it
Dec 10 12:05:36 <cheezo_> balrog-kun: yup
Dec 10 12:06:04 <roh> torpor projects.openmoko.org or what do you mean?
Dec 10 12:08:27 <torpor> yeah thats what i meant, what was your url, coz i forgot it .. 
Dec 10 12:11:19 <balrog-kun> cheezo_: here it goes right into the today screen, i will have to download the latest rootfs as this one may be some weeks old
Dec 10 12:11:35 <cheezo_> ok
Dec 10 12:24:35 <ahven> btw, when is OpenMoko getting working power management? :)
Dec 10 12:24:48 <ahven> by the time of the launch of GTA02?
Dec 10 12:25:06 <torpor> when is a good question.  the only answer is whats sitting in front of you.
Dec 10 12:25:19 <torpor> for me, power has been 'manageable' with the neo1973 for a long time.  but i do not use its phone feature.
Dec 10 12:25:46 <torpor> if that is an issue, then probably the answer is: when the gta02 is ready for release, openmoko will have changed a *lot* from what it is now.
Dec 10 12:27:13 <torpor> ar
Dec 10 12:30:19 <ahven> blah, vnc and X doesn't like alt+tab's at all
Dec 10 12:55:02 <wampie> Hey all!
Dec 10 12:55:16 <opo|away> hey
Dec 10 12:55:50 <wampie> I've got a pretty specific question
Dec 10 12:56:02 <opo|away> hm
Dec 10 12:56:10 <wampie> I am organising an Open Communications seminar in february
Dec 10 12:56:30 <wampie> All about Open Source communication technology
Dec 10 12:56:32 <opo|away> ok
Dec 10 12:57:00 <wampie> Asterisk, OpenWengo, ENUM that kind off stuff
Dec 10 12:57:28 <wampie> I was wondering if there's anyone here who could tell something about Openmoko
Dec 10 12:58:07 <ruskie> hmm wouldn't that be a bit better to put to the mailing list?
Dec 10 12:58:17 <wampie> ruskie: ok!
Dec 10 12:58:31 <opo|away> :)
Dec 10 12:58:42 <wampie> Which one would you recommend?
Dec 10 12:58:51 * wampie just likes irc a lot ;)
Dec 10 12:59:01 * ruskie tooooo
Dec 10 12:59:12 <wampie> 'cause of the directness of it :)
Dec 10 12:59:15 <CM> wampie: Where is that seminar?
Dec 10 13:00:11 <wampie> Utrecht, The Netherlands
Dec 10 13:00:17 <torpor> ask away, here or the list.
Dec 10 13:02:45 <wampie> Is there an active Dutch Open moko community? 
Dec 10 13:03:03 <torpor> dunno
Dec 10 13:03:22 <torpor> possibly.
Dec 10 13:03:22 <CM> wampie: Looks like it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups#Europe
Dec 10 13:03:37 <torpor> lots of germans though.  those are like, dutch, only they don't eat fish.
Dec 10 13:03:46 <CM> torpor: Hehe 
Dec 10 13:03:53 <wampie> yups indeed! Thanks!
Dec 10 13:04:04 <torpor> anyone done a subversion port to neo-native?
Dec 10 13:04:08 <I-MOD> wampie, got any good speakers for the asterisk portion of the seminar?
Dec 10 13:04:17 <wampie> torpor, I guess i'll just ignore that one
Dec 10 13:04:30 <torpor> wampie: itz gut, nur witze .. 
Dec 10 13:05:00 <wampie> I-MOD, Ie got Olle Johansson for the Asterisk part 
Dec 10 13:05:24 <I-MOD> i was going to suggest mark, but olle is pretty good too
Dec 10 13:05:30 <wampie> from edvina
Dec 10 13:05:35 <I-MOD> i know him
Dec 10 13:05:37 <wampie> k
Dec 10 13:05:48 <wampie> He really great
Dec 10 13:05:50 * I-MOD works in the business
Dec 10 13:06:10 <I-MOD> of asterisk, that is
Dec 10 13:06:11 <wampie> We had him last year as a speaker too
Dec 10 13:06:26 <wampie> I-MOD, also an asterisk Developer
Dec 10 13:06:28 <wampie> ?
Dec 10 13:06:44 <wampie> Perhapse you know mvanbaak too?
Dec 10 13:06:55 <I-MOD> no, I'm not a dev guy, i do hardware stuff at digium
Dec 10 13:07:14 <wampie> kewl
Dec 10 13:07:15 <wampie> :)
Dec 10 13:07:25 <wampie> I am a test user
Dec 10 13:07:29 <CM> wampie: What about OpenWengo?
Dec 10 13:07:29 <I-MOD> its a fun place to work
Dec 10 13:07:38 * CM points at dneary ;)
Dec 10 13:07:46 <wampie> Dave is in China :(((
Dec 10 13:07:48 <dneary> hi
Dec 10 13:07:51 <wampie> hey!
Dec 10 13:07:54 <wampie> \I emailed you
Dec 10 13:07:56 <wampie> lol
Dec 10 13:08:08 <dneary> CM: You should probably point somewhere else... /me is leaving Wengo
Dec 10 13:08:16 <dneary> Hi wampie
Dec 10 13:08:19 <CM> dneary: Ah, ok :)
Dec 10 13:08:21 <dneary> Not in China
Dec 10 13:08:25 <wampie> ow?
Dec 10 13:08:32 <mbuf> does the Neo simply shutdown with recent builds, or, are my batteries weak?
Dec 10 13:08:36 <dneary> Sorry - I have been thinking about who else might be interested
Dec 10 13:08:36 <wampie> Thought you said that last friday
Dec 10 13:08:58 <dneary> wampie: I *will* be in China, during your conference
Dec 10 13:09:18 <wampie> yups, that was what I meant
Dec 10 13:09:47 <wampie> That you won't be available at the time of the conference
Dec 10 13:11:03 <wampie> I-MOD, I married to an Asterisk-maniac
Dec 10 13:11:04 <wampie> lol
Dec 10 13:11:26 <wampie> Integrating Asterisk with MythTV
Dec 10 13:11:47 <wampie> and the coffeemachine will be his next project
Dec 10 13:12:04 <wampie> So he can call home, so his coffee will be ready when he gets there
Dec 10 13:12:07 <CM> wampie: Hehe.. Call 555-2132323 for a cup of coffee?
Dec 10 13:12:12 <CM> :)
Dec 10 13:12:13 <wampie> sort off
Dec 10 13:12:14 <wampie> :)
Dec 10 13:16:14 <I-MOD> wampie, good for you
Dec 10 13:16:36 <wampie> Well..... I dunno
Dec 10 13:16:48 <I-MOD> :)
Dec 10 13:16:57 <wampie> Like they say at Digium: The wife is the best testuser
Dec 10 13:17:17 <wampie> but it sometimes gets quite irritating I can tell you, hahahahaha
Dec 10 13:17:28 <I-MOD> yeah....we do that with appliances and analog cards on occasion
Dec 10 13:17:40 <xcasex> CM: you little bastard, you're swedish?
Dec 10 13:17:56 <CM> xcasex: Givetvis :P
Dec 10 13:18:05 <xcasex> CM: din förbenade lilla rackare ;)
Dec 10 13:18:38 <CM> I Göteborg nu, men på väg till Stockholm :)
Dec 10 13:18:47 <xcasex> CM: såg att du är norrifrån, vilken by? ;)
Dec 10 13:18:53 <CM> Uuuume
Dec 10 13:18:57 <xcasex> men va?
Dec 10 13:19:04 <xcasex> CM: jag är i umeå.
Dec 10 13:19:11 * zash 2
Dec 10 13:19:19 <CM> Hehe
Dec 10 13:19:25 <xcasex> CM: säg, är du i umeå över jul?
Dec 10 13:19:26 <borg_> you have a word with 4 u's in swedish?
Dec 10 13:19:27 <wampie> Waar hebben die gasten het over?
Dec 10 13:19:28 <borg_> lol :)
Dec 10 13:19:38 <CM> xcasex: Sure will
Dec 10 13:19:50 <xcasex> borg_: no that's flemish with all thsoe ghastly long words
Dec 10 13:19:54 <mbuf> what is the battery status variable in /sys?
Dec 10 13:19:57 <opo|away> lol
Dec 10 13:19:57 <xcasex> this is just swedish with some pun in it ;D
Dec 10 13:20:22 <xcasex> CM: then I think you and I should talk somewhere around the holidays.
Dec 10 13:21:44 <zash> folk i umeå den 26e?
Dec 10 13:21:47 <mbuf> xcasex, aren't your holidays over? sommer is over
Dec 10 13:22:03 <CM> zash: Jo, jag ska köra upp 21:a tänkte jag
Dec 10 13:22:15 * CM är nog på Rex 26:e ;)
Dec 10 13:22:25 <mmazur> Are there any known hw bugs in the neos that got sold a few months ago?
Dec 10 13:22:34 <CM> mbuf: We have christmas holidays
Dec 10 13:22:37 <xcasex> CM: kanon ;)
Dec 10 13:22:43 <xcasex> zash: var är du i svedala?
Dec 10 13:22:51 <zash> ümeå!
Dec 10 13:22:55 <mbuf> CM, ok
Dec 10 13:22:58 <zash> ;D
Dec 10 13:23:11 <xcasex> zash: eh? pallra dig ner till café station runt 18 ;)
Dec 10 13:23:54 <zash> xcasex: den 26e ||?
Dec 10 13:24:00 <xcasex> idag.
Dec 10 13:24:30 <wampie> So I guess Iĺl just have to get in contact with the dutchies on the wiki?
Dec 10 13:24:55 <wampie> Any other recommendations on cool speakers?
Dec 10 13:26:33 <mbuf> wampie, there is also #openmoko-fi? i believe there is a group in University of Helsinki
Dec 10 13:27:17 <wampie> mbuf, thanks :0
Dec 10 13:27:19 <wampie> :)
Dec 10 13:27:50 <wampie> There's also an Belgian Dude at the wiki, but no way yto contact him,.. hmmz
Dec 10 13:28:09 <zash> xcasex: hm..
Dec 10 13:28:45 <mbuf> wampie, just send e-mail to openmoko-community list; and people will respond
Dec 10 13:29:08 <wampie> k :)
Dec 10 13:29:23 <wampie> Iĺl probably have to subscribe for that
Dec 10 13:30:37 <CM> wampie: Ask koen maybe?
Dec 10 13:30:47 <wampie> is that Koen vervloesem?
Dec 10 13:30:53 <wampie> or another Koen?
Dec 10 13:31:04 <xcasex> zash: make up your mind sonny ;)
Dec 10 13:31:11 <wampie> Koen is Steamrunner right?
Dec 10 13:31:16 <CM> No, Koen Kooi, open embedded
Dec 10 13:31:35 <CM> Just know he's in .nl :)
Dec 10 13:31:44 <CM> Ångström distribution too
Dec 10 13:32:26 <wampie> well CM .be to be exact, but it will be .nl soon
Dec 10 13:32:29 <wampie> lol
Dec 10 13:32:48 * wampie isn making Belgian friends right now
Dec 10 13:33:09 <CM> Hehe
Dec 10 13:33:19 <zash> xcasex: vågar jag? ska dit på onsdag annars
Dec 10 13:34:00 <xcasex> jag har tid idag. annars är jag upptagen med kundbesök veckan ut
Dec 10 13:34:02 <balrog-kun> CM: afaik he's in .de
Dec 10 13:34:14 <Fatal> heh, coworker lives in svedala
Dec 10 13:34:17 <CM> balrog-kun: Koen? Hmm.. 
Dec 10 13:34:22 <balrog-kun> yep
Dec 10 13:35:02 <wampie> .de is close enough too
Dec 10 13:36:40 <CM> But he'll just speak about Ångström anyway, since OpenMoko is based on that
Dec 10 13:38:22 <xcasex> zash f.ö det var till dig.
Dec 10 13:39:07 <zash> fattade det :)
Dec 10 13:39:12 <wampie> perhapse samson 007
Dec 10 13:39:21 <wampie> or felix would be an option too
Dec 10 13:39:41 <wampie> From the Düsseldorf group
Dec 10 13:40:06 <CM> wampie: Just ask around in here a few times, someone will surely be interested :)
Dec 10 13:40:13 <wampie> prolly!
Dec 10 13:40:15 <wampie> :)
Dec 10 13:40:34 <wampie> And it gives me the opportunity to IRC in my bosses time ;)
Dec 10 13:43:24 <xcasex> zash: pm'a övrigt, fika med jobbet nu.
Dec 10 13:43:34 <mbuf> how to check battery charged value in recent builds? "cat `find /sys | grep battvolt` returns too many opened files
Dec 10 13:47:01 <CM> mbuf: It's not in /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0008/battvolt any more?
Dec 10 13:47:23 <CM> mbuf: Maybe /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt ?
Dec 10 13:47:42 <mbuf> CM, have to check; by the time, i open a terminal, the Neo shuts down :( December 8th build
Dec 10 13:47:55 <CM> Oh :(
Dec 10 13:48:31 <mbuf> CM, remove battery, keep it aside for some time, put it back after few minutes, power up, and sometimes powers up
Dec 10 13:52:28 <balrog-kun> these should be the same file
Dec 10 13:54:39 <balrog-kun> in sysfs you can use a number of different paths to get to every device,
Dec 10 13:55:00 <balrog-kun> basically sysfs is not a tree, it's a graph that can have cycles
Dec 10 13:59:14 <mbuf> CM, balrog-kun battvolt is 3093
Dec 10 13:59:25 <Writchie> morning mickeyl
Dec 10 13:59:49 <mbuf> CM, balrog-kun and it keeps decreasing, every time i check it
Dec 10 14:05:14 * mbuf uses Nokia BL-5 battery
Dec 10 14:05:22 <dread> hi
Dec 10 14:05:35 <mickeyl> hi Writchie 
Dec 10 14:05:41 <mickeyl> Writchie: coming further with your MUX ?
Dec 10 14:05:44 <dread> where cn i find information about the error codes shown after entering the PIN
Dec 10 14:05:59 <dread> I'm getting an "PIN error: 16" atm ....
Dec 10 14:06:09 <Writchie> mickeyl: coming along good
Dec 10 14:06:21 <mickeyl> Writchie: if i understand all that correctly (no GSM expert here), then with your MUX stuff in kernel, the design of a gsmd can be much simplified, right?
Dec 10 14:06:28 <Writchie> hope to have a releasable very soon
Dec 10 14:06:32 <Writchie> yes
Dec 10 14:06:36 <mickeyl> awesome news
Dec 10 14:06:39 <mickeyl> fits in my masterplan
Dec 10 14:06:40 <Writchie> it should solve many architectural issues
Dec 10 14:06:42 * balrog-kun uses a Nokia BL-5C battery and addmittedly it sucks
Dec 10 14:06:43 <mickeyl> ;)
Dec 10 14:06:52 <torpor> geh geh geh
Dec 10 14:06:59 <Writchie> as well as make ppp and fax stuff a snap
Dec 10 14:07:28 <Writchie> the mux party is easy, its the @#$&*(&($*# tty quagmire 
Dec 10 14:07:33 <mickeyl> *nod*
Dec 10 14:07:38 <mbuf> balrog-kun, hehe, right now, I can live with it; until I charge the FIC batteries :p
Dec 10 14:07:52 <balrog-kun> i believe gsmd design so far was with muxer being in the kernel in mind
Dec 10 14:08:10 <mickeyl> well, LaF0rge did the original gsmd in much of a hurry
Dec 10 14:08:11 <balrog-kun> so rather if the muxer is implemented gsmd won't have to become more complex
Dec 10 14:08:20 <balrog-kun> instead of can be simplified
Dec 10 14:08:38 <mickeyl> balrog-kun: yes, which makes me thinking more along gsmd-next-gen than gsmd
Dec 10 14:09:10 <balrog-kun> yeah, may be good idea
Dec 10 14:09:13 <Writchie> it seems up to now using the gsm stack from userland has been very painful
Dec 10 14:09:38 <balrog-kun> although a switch is also a difficult point always
Dec 10 14:09:51 * Writchie has to run for a bit - bbl
Dec 10 14:10:12 <mickeyl> well, first there will be the dbus abstraction
Dec 10 14:10:13 * balrog-kun liked the original LaF0rge's design much more than what gsmd svn is becoming now
Dec 10 14:10:19 <mickeyl> then rewriting userland to use that
Dec 10 14:10:28 <mickeyl> then we have all options to change the underlying gsmd implementation
Dec 10 14:10:37 <mickeyl> so... all will be well
Dec 10 14:10:47 * mickeyl in optimistic mode today
Dec 10 14:10:51 <mickeyl> lets see how long that lasts
Dec 10 14:10:51 <mickeyl> heh
Dec 10 14:12:03 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: You are asking me for help on this?
Dec 10 14:12:10 <mickeyl> hahaha
Dec 10 14:12:16 <mickeyl> i knew you would respond here :)
Dec 10 14:12:18 <Mononoke> heh mickeyl distributing optimism all around the chanell
Dec 10 14:12:35 <Mononoke> s/chanell/channel
Dec 10 14:12:41 * stefan_schmidt needs an IRC trigger for optimism
Dec 10 14:13:10 <mickeyl> i mean really, all is bright and shiny
Dec 10 14:13:20 <mickeyl> as in... the future
Dec 10 14:13:27 <mickeyl> lots of stuff still sucks
Dec 10 14:13:42 <mickeyl> but hey... this is how all major projects start
Dec 10 14:13:42 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: I also see my long term future in shiny and bright light
Dec 10 14:14:06 * stefan_schmidt and alphaone had some fun with EZX on the weekend
Dec 10 14:14:10 <mickeyl> only if you start working at Dr. Lauer's Mobile Technology Institute
Dec 10 14:14:19 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: cool, made progress?
Dec 10 14:14:23 <alphaone> Yeah, fun
Dec 10 14:14:31 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Drop me the contract and you get it signed on thursday
Dec 10 14:14:36 <mickeyl> hehehe
Dec 10 14:14:47 <mickeyl> i only employ people with a Diploma
Dec 10 14:14:50 <mickeyl> :D
Dec 10 14:14:53 <mickeyl> so...
Dec 10 14:14:53 <alphaone> :-)
Dec 10 14:14:53 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: grrr
Dec 10 14:14:55 <mickeyl> HURRY
Dec 10 14:15:08 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: People without are cheaper...
Dec 10 14:15:12 * alphaone is away (studying)
Dec 10 14:15:17 <mickeyl> hehe
Dec 10 14:15:18 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: hahe
Dec 10 14:16:30 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: alphaone discovered that we can use boot_usb with the RAZR2 V8, unfortunately kernel needs to be signed as it looks atm
Dec 10 14:16:36 <mickeyl> suckers :/
Dec 10 14:16:38 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Which is a bummer
Dec 10 14:16:44 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: :(
Dec 10 14:17:11 <mickeyl> my only contact @ motorola engineering quit some months ago
Dec 10 14:17:25 <mickeyl> didn't like it there after his company was acquired by moto
Dec 10 14:17:30 <mickeyl> heh
Dec 10 14:17:35 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: I send my ideas about submitting basic EZX stuff upstream to the list and alphaone will work on a pcb for the new debug connector
Dec 10 14:17:38 <alphaone> Well, the basic protocol seems the same, but we need to do more than just push the file and jump to it.
Dec 10 14:17:56 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: nitpicking
Dec 10 14:17:59 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: ;)
Dec 10 14:18:16 <mickeyl> did you have a chance to check the a1200 status?
Dec 10 14:18:22 <mickeyl> can you boot into X?
Dec 10 14:18:30 <alphaone> Yeah, I'm ordering a laminator to transfer the layout onto the pcb
Dec 10 14:18:31 <mickeyl> [with a working fisplay]
Dec 10 14:18:55 <alphaone> mickeyl: I looked at the display a little but didn't really get anywhere. :-(
Dec 10 14:19:14 <alphaone> Not even with the patches from alex zhang and paolo marques.
Dec 10 14:19:30 <alphaone> That's when I started looking at the razr
Dec 10 14:19:33 <mickeyl> mmh, k
Dec 10 14:19:59 <mwester> mickeyl only employs people with a diploma?  Elitist! :P :D
Dec 10 14:20:06 <alphaone> Hehe
Dec 10 14:20:26 <mickeyl> mwester: that's only true for these guys....
Dec 10 14:20:37 <alphaone> Yeah mickeyl, don't be so elitist :-)
Dec 10 14:20:52 <mickeyl> i won't tempt anyone quitting uni shortly before finishing it
Dec 10 14:21:25 <mickeyl> besides... my technology institute needs one or two years more to be setup
Dec 10 14:21:32 <mickeyl> timing is everything ;)
Dec 10 14:22:17 * stefan_schmidt calculates the time for finishing studies...
Dec 10 14:22:21 <alphaone> one - two years should do it
Dec 10 14:22:50 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: Not if you don't go to the lectures. :)
Dec 10 14:22:56 <alphaone> Well, for me at least - if my focus is more university than OM
Dec 10 14:25:36 <mbuf> i like to test the Neo against different distros, PCs; and everytime I change the PC, i get this ssh attac warning; known_hosts is hashed; how to remove old entries? 
Dec 10 14:26:50 <xcasex> mbuf: rm -rf ~/.ssh/known_hosts
Dec 10 14:26:52 <stefan_schmidt> mbuf: UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null
Dec 10 14:27:04 <xcasex> that works splendid too
Dec 10 14:27:05 <stefan_schmidt> mbuf: In your local ssh config
Dec 10 14:27:22 <mbuf> xcasex, i would like to remove only a specific entry, not all
Dec 10 14:27:26 <stefan_schmidt> xcasex: I have this for the neo only so all other stuff stays in place
Dec 10 14:27:48 <mbuf> stefan_schmidt, ~/.ssh/config?
Dec 10 14:28:02 <stefan_schmidt> mbuf: yeah
Dec 10 14:28:09 <mbuf> stefan_schmidt, ok
Dec 10 14:28:32 <stefan_schmidt> mbuf: http://rafb.net/p/3qW0Yq60.html
Dec 10 14:29:21 <mbuf> stefan_schmidt, thanks
Dec 10 14:29:51 <balrog-kun> does the u-boot from 2007.11 have a console on the serial port by default?
Dec 10 14:30:06 <balrog-kun> i.e. if you connect the debug board
Dec 10 14:30:18 <dwmw2_BOS> mbuf:also  'sed /192.168.0.202/d -i ~/.ssh/known_hosts'
Dec 10 14:31:15 * balrog-kun is sure there's some spell to enter in known_hosts that would tell ssh to accept any key for 192.168.0.202, but i've been unable to figure out the syntax yet
Dec 10 14:31:42 <balrog-kun> the manpage says something about wildcards but it seems they only apply to the IP, not to the key
Dec 10 14:41:25 <freepenguin> hello
Dec 10 14:41:36 <mbuf> "ssh-keygen -F neo", lists the corresponding entry for the neo
Dec 10 14:53:32 <renatofilho_> hi guys, I'm using moko finger scroll and I have problems with double click (this make the application freeze), Did anyone have the same problem? 
Dec 10 14:55:27 <renatofilho_> This happen because during the moko_finger_scroll_button_press_cb, I receive a another event type like GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS, GDK_3BUTTON_PRESS and this not match with the last stored value
Dec 10 14:58:25 <CM> renatofilho_: I think abraxa_, thos and someone more discussed that a few days ago, but i don't remember the details
Dec 10 15:00:43 <renatofilho_> abraxa_: you can help me?
Dec 10 15:03:46 <NineX> http://adrinael.net/wrong15
Dec 10 15:09:49 <barmeie1> after stopping neod I noticed that another power saver is still ative. The backlight was turned off after a couple of minutes. Which process is doing this ?
Dec 10 15:10:38 <mickeyl> X
Dec 10 15:10:51 <mickeyl> you can xset to tweak that
Dec 10 15:11:21 <barmeie1> ah ok, thanks.
Dec 10 15:11:45 <Stephmw> mickeyl: nice discussion on your blogpost
Dec 10 15:12:07 <mickeyl> yeah, i'm glad people contribute to it
Dec 10 15:12:07 <Stephmw> mickeyl: clearly shows the two ends of the developer base
Dec 10 15:14:08 <Stephmw> on one end, the ones that work in the industry and understand what and why
Dec 10 15:14:11 <CM> Good post too
Dec 10 15:14:17 * CM loves benchmarks ;)
Dec 10 15:14:31 <Stephmw> on the other end, the desktop/mobile users that want more from their embedded device
Dec 10 15:14:43 <Stephmw> there's a clear need for education :D
Dec 10 15:14:56 * Stephmw reaches for his Iron Cluebat
Dec 10 15:19:23 <Stephmw> mickeyl, CM, when I've prepared my informal slides for such education (for FOSDEM) fancy a preview?
Dec 10 15:19:58 <mickeyl> sure thing!
Dec 10 15:19:59 <CM> Stephmw: Yes please :)
Dec 10 15:20:31 <mickeyl> i will add some instructions for how to reproduce the results tomorrow
Dec 10 15:20:31 <Stephmw> great :) will let you know when I'm done - expect January sometime
Dec 10 15:21:22 <CM> Aww... I was hoping for some christmas reading.. ;)
Dec 10 15:28:01 <xcasex> mickeyl: link to blogpost?
Dec 10 15:28:21 <mickeyl> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/12/08/framebuffer-vs-x11/
Dec 10 15:29:11 <Stephmw> CM: I've gotta overcome my procrastination first :)
Dec 10 15:29:24 <mickeyl> ah
Dec 10 15:29:35 <mickeyl> "your talk at openexpo in Bern has been accepted, congratulations!"
Dec 10 15:29:37 <Stephmw> CM: also have some coding to do, gotta prepare stuff for FOSDEM too
Dec 10 15:29:46 * mjr still prefers X11, and to me the differences don't seem that great
Dec 10 15:30:13 <Stephmw> depending on use, X11 and associated libs and dependencies are really overkill
Dec 10 15:30:23 <Stephmw> that's really the problem
Dec 10 15:30:36 <mjr> pfft
Dec 10 15:30:36 <Stephmw> one-size-fits-all doesn't fit all in the embedded world
Dec 10 15:31:03 <mjr> and anyway, gpu
Dec 10 15:31:17 <Stephmw> mjr: I don't mind disagreeing :)
Dec 10 15:33:09 <Stephmw> mickeyl: I'd be interested in a review of the benchmarks when acceleration is available
Dec 10 15:33:41 <abraxa_> renatofilho_: Double click is strongly discouraged from a UI point of view
Dec 10 15:34:56 <mickeyl> Stephmw: for sure. we have Xglamo in working stage now. will do some tests when I got a chance to revive my gta02
Dec 10 15:35:00 <xcasex> "Shaping a future of ubiquitous and pervasive computing," <--- i like that, where do i sign up?
Dec 10 15:35:21 <xcasex> mickeyl: xglamo ? :D
Dec 10 15:35:37 * mwester thinks the title sounds too "marketing" and not enough technical
Dec 10 15:35:37 <mjr> glamo is the gpu
Dec 10 15:35:43 <mickeyl> xcasex: ;)
Dec 10 15:36:00 <mickeyl> xcasex: that's the goal of my secret masterplan ;)
Dec 10 15:37:05 <xcasex> mickeyl: i've been on that path since i got my first linux pda :p
Dec 10 15:37:12 <xcasex> agenda vr3 <3
Dec 10 15:41:40 <mickeyl> cool
Dec 10 15:42:02 <mickeyl> right now i'm trying to get nearer this goal by working for OpenMoko, Inc. and doing things like freesmartphone.org
Dec 10 15:42:15 <mickeyl> eventually i will probably need to found an own institute or something
Dec 10 15:42:23 <mickeyl> and get some VC 
Dec 10 15:42:29 <mickeyl> to really _push_ it
Dec 10 15:43:24 <CM> mickeyl: Lots of small steps, but they're all in the right direction :)
Dec 10 15:43:34 <mickeyl> :)
Dec 10 15:43:50 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Don't disclose everything ;)
Dec 10 15:43:56 <mickeyl> right
Dec 10 15:44:07 * mickeyl removes vanille.de/masterplan.txt
Dec 10 15:44:09 <mickeyl> *g*
Dec 10 15:44:31 <alphaone> Not Found
Dec 10 15:44:31 <alphaone> The requested URL /masterplan.txt was not found on this server.
Dec 10 15:44:35 * stefan_schmidt goes to archive.org
Dec 10 15:44:37 <alphaone> Damn, I was too slow
Dec 10 15:44:40 <mickeyl> hahaha
Dec 10 15:44:48 <alphaone> I wonder if it is in the google cache ;-)
Dec 10 15:45:02 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: Only in the Android-only cache
Dec 10 15:45:04 <Stephmw> stefan_schmidt: good thing you can request removal of cache from archive and google
Dec 10 15:45:29 <stefan_schmidt> Stephmw: Yeah, but we will get it before mickey asks this. :)
Dec 10 15:45:30 <Stephmw> anyway the 'get idea, get VCs, get rich' scheme is pretty common these days
Dec 10 15:46:05 * stefan_schmidt prefer the no VC strategy
Dec 10 15:46:12 <stefan_schmidt> prefers
Dec 10 15:46:29 <xcasex> i prefer the "working monotone server" way *stabs randomly*
Dec 10 15:46:31 * Stephmw nods
Dec 10 15:46:51 <alphaone> http://www.interhemd.de/burn.html
Dec 10 16:00:09 <mickeyl> cute
Dec 10 16:00:18 <mickeyl> so that's the t-shirt i should wear when i go Klinkenputzen?
Dec 10 16:07:15 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03chris * r3624 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Dec 10 16:07:15 <CIA-23> openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (contacts_iter_compare_func),
Dec 10 16:07:15 <CIA-23> openmoko: (sms_contacts_page_new):
Dec 10 16:07:15 <CIA-23> openmoko: Sort higher priorities first, rather than last and add a special
Dec 10 16:07:15 <CIA-23> openmoko: 'unknown' contact for messages from people not in the list
Dec 10 16:07:19 <CIA-23> openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (page_shown), (sms_notes_page_new):
Dec 10 16:07:21 <CIA-23> openmoko: Handle the 'unknown' contact
Dec 10 16:13:04 <renatofilho_> abraxa_: but I did not use double click,  is the moko finger scroll is receiving this. 
Dec 10 16:13:47 <renatofilho_> abraxa_: How I can avoid this?
Dec 10 16:14:45 <abraxa_> renatofilho_: Are you evaluating/handling the GDK_2/3BUTTON_PRESS events also?
Dec 10 16:17:05 <renatofilho_> abraxa_: Im using libcc probably he do this, but I'm not connected with this event
Dec 10 16:17:43 <abraxa_> What's libcc?
Dec 10 16:17:53 <renatofilho_> abraxa_: a gtkcanvas 
Dec 10 16:18:01 <abraxa_> Ah, hm
Dec 10 16:19:14 <abraxa_> Well, it's unfortunate but the MokoFingerScroll widget does emit button press events even when they shouldn't be emitted from a program logic point of view
Dec 10 16:19:35 <abraxa_> That needs to be fixed in the widget itself but no one worked on that yet
Dec 10 16:25:00 <renatofilho_> abraxa_: but the problem is: when I click twice on my object the MokoFingerScroll receive a button press event with type GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS, and the stored value in priv structure is GDK_BUTTON_PRESS because the last event, this cause a loop on fingerscroll button press event function
Dec 10 16:29:58 <xcasex> zash: there?
Dec 10 16:38:34 <renatofilho_> abraxa_: take a look http://pastebin.com/d195545f8, This is ugly but this fix my problem and I do not know if is it the right way to solve the problem
Dec 10 16:42:54 <abraxa__> renatofilho_: I'm afraid I'm the wrong person to judge that - I suggest you write a short mail to thomas@openedhand.com and see what he says
Dec 10 16:43:29 <renatofilho_> abraxa__: ok thanks for you help
Dec 10 16:43:37 <abraxa__> You're welcome
Dec 10 17:38:24 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03andrew * r3625 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/neo1973.c: Add a machine ID register on the pseudo-gta02 machine.
Dec 10 17:40:23 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03andrew * r3626 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch: Linux code to override machine IDs from u-boot with those supplied by qemu.
Dec 10 17:47:04 <yoyo> helow
Dec 10 17:48:35 <yoyo> it's frizzy out side.
Dec 10 17:50:43 <Henkie> link in topic is broken
Dec 10 17:51:01 <Henkie> never mind, my client acted up
Dec 10 17:51:43 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03andrew * r3627 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (43 files in 10 dirs): Weekly sync with cvs.savannah.nongnu.org.
Dec 10 18:53:01 <_whitenoise_> hi
Dec 10 19:35:35 <NineX> what is a difference betwen openmoko-agpsui2 and scaredycat-agpsui2?
Dec 10 19:36:47 <wampie> balrog-kun, do you perhapse remember our conversation earlier today?
Dec 10 19:37:27 <wampie> or CM ?
Dec 10 19:37:51 <MookiE_> hello. if i want to make "ipkg update" the last 4 files throw this error: "wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found" what can i do now? must i change the *.conf files in /etc/ipkg or can i download the right .conf files?
Dec 10 19:38:21 <CVirus> Maybe March as of last update ??
Dec 10 19:38:27 * CVirus runs away crying
Dec 10 19:38:34 <CVirus> what last update ?
Dec 10 19:38:46 <CVirus> the last update never mentioned anything about it
Dec 10 19:41:47 <mickeyl> i broke the updates config
Dec 10 19:41:49 <mickeyl> safe to ignore
Dec 10 19:42:07 <mickeyl> i expect the one who takes care of the snapshot feed (if there is someone like that) to fix that with the next update
Dec 10 19:42:12 <NineX> CVirus: do you know what ScaredyCat messed in openmoko-agpsui2, so they "forked" special package to show us this/?
Dec 10 19:42:41 <CVirus> NineX: huh ?
Dec 10 19:42:49 <NineX> ninex@hamer ~/Desktop $ ls |grep agps
Dec 10 19:42:49 <NineX> openmoko-agpsui2_0.1.0+svnr3372-r0_armv4t.ipk
Dec 10 19:42:49 <NineX> scaredycat-agpsui2_0.1.0+svnr1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Dec 10 19:43:30 <NineX> CVirus: i installed this packages, when i run i see the same program so i don't know wher to find a difference
Dec 10 19:43:32 <NineX> :P)
Dec 10 19:53:35 <_whitenoise_> hi all, when neo 1973 will exit? there are dates?
Dec 10 20:01:45 <PP|Spydon> Lo ppl
Dec 10 20:02:20 <PP|Spydon> I just wonder if I can expect the gta02 to be ready in like 3 months? :P
Dec 10 20:02:42 <p0seid0n> i hope so too ;-)
Dec 10 20:04:38 <thomasg__> ready for mass-market: nope (imho)
Dec 10 20:04:44 <thomasg__> ready in hardware: hope so.
Dec 10 20:09:44 <linuxxr> http://buglabs.net/    check out this tool
Dec 10 20:10:10 <linuxxr> too many modules
Dec 10 20:14:42 <Mek> I especially like the Teleporter that will be available Q1 2008...
Dec 10 20:16:27 <linuxxr> lol
Dec 10 20:16:39 <balrog-kun> mabye they could build a teleported device into the gta03
Dec 10 20:17:09 <xzcvczx> balrog-kun: does that mean we can expect it in 2734?
Dec 10 20:17:32 <linuxxr> yay but all those modules        hell i would need 9 at least
Dec 10 20:17:57 <linuxxr> yay in the gtb 09
Dec 10 20:18:27 <balrog-kun> xzcvczx: i'm not sure, i think in Q2 2734 they may be releasing gta04 already
Dec 10 20:18:36 <balrog-kun> but you know, there may be slips
Dec 10 20:18:44 <linuxxr> lol
Dec 10 20:18:59 <xzcvczx> haha
Dec 10 20:19:07 * xzcvczx goes and jumps in the freeaer
Dec 10 20:19:12 <xzcvczx> freezer*
Dec 10 20:19:14 <linuxxr> y we need hardware
Dec 10 20:19:20 <linuxxr> we need hardware
Dec 10 20:22:16 <Varox_NB> *snief* waiting till march?
Dec 10 20:24:11 <PP|Spydon> how long ~does it take for a neo1973 to boot up openmoko?
Dec 10 20:24:33 <p0seid0n> hey guys. has someone ever build a moko-image to run within xephyr on a regular x86 ?
Dec 10 20:25:30 <linuxxr> i think so
Dec 10 20:26:03 <p0seid0n> i just wont compile for me due to some problems with uboot. Do you know i can exclude uboot from the build ?
Dec 10 20:26:14 <p0seid0n> i'm using MokoMakefile 
Dec 10 20:27:40 <balrog-kun> PP|Spydon: iirc some 1:30 in recent versions, but it depends on many things
Dec 10 20:27:49 <balrog-kun> p0seid0n: yes, you don't need u-boot
Dec 10 20:28:23 <p0seid0n> right, how can i exclude it from the build ?
Dec 10 20:29:04 <xcasex> say. can i just grab the angstrom feeds for my nslu2 as well ? i mean.. the moko grabs it.
Dec 10 20:29:14 <xcasex> the nslu2 is on the same $arch
Dec 10 20:29:37 <balrog-kun> p0seid0n: i don't know
Dec 10 20:29:42 <mickeyl> 1:13 to boot. 18 seconds to init, + 55 seconds to X, + 38 seconds to usable UI
Dec 10 20:29:45 <mickeyl> just measured
Dec 10 20:29:58 <balrog-kun> i know u-boot won't build for x86 or anything besides mips and ARM iirc
Dec 10 20:30:18 <PP|Spydon> okay, balrog-kun 
Dec 10 20:30:28 <p0seid0n> balrog-kun: thanks anyhow, i will try find out.
Dec 10 20:31:13 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: So we need to focus on init/upstart and GUI speedup instead of system level
Dec 10 20:31:47 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Perhaps we can gain 8-10 seconds in bootloader and kernel the biggest problem is the stuff above
Dec 10 20:31:55 <xcasex> mwester: ping
Dec 10 20:32:15 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: yes
Dec 10 20:32:27 <balrog-kun> mickeyl: i guess many things have been added since i last made my measures, which was maybe 8 months ago
Dec 10 20:32:30 <mickeyl> we can do most by revamping init and starting UI earlier
Dec 10 20:32:36 <balrog-kun> but it's difficult to tell without a stopwatch
Dec 10 20:33:25 <mickeyl> we can do a lot of crazy things
Dec 10 20:33:32 <mickeyl> like
Dec 10 20:33:37 <mickeyl> writing the dialer and contacts application with E
Dec 10 20:33:43 <mickeyl> then launching them in init 1
Dec 10 20:33:47 <mickeyl> on framebuffer
Dec 10 20:33:49 <xcasex> <3
Dec 10 20:33:52 <mickeyl> in the background continuing to launch X
Dec 10 20:33:55 <mickeyl> and once X is up
Dec 10 20:33:59 <mickeyl> change to X backend
Dec 10 20:34:00 <mickeyl> :D
Dec 10 20:34:02 <mickeyl> all possible
Dec 10 20:34:17 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Let us start with updstart, massive parallel starts and early X
Dec 10 20:34:19 <xcasex> you know why i bought the neo mickeyl ? raster is onboard. that was the dealbreaker for me.
Dec 10 20:34:34 <stefan_schmidt> xcasex: heh
Dec 10 20:34:36 <kinneh> xcasex: lol
Dec 10 20:35:21 <xcasex> i'm easy ;)
Dec 10 20:35:23 * stefan_schmidt whishes raster would have internet again.
Dec 10 20:35:24 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: yes. IIRC XorA|gone is working on that
Dec 10 20:35:57 <xcasex> i had been eyeing it since news came about, and had some ideas, then thos converted me, then i got my current job, then it all got nteresting when carsten got hired ;
Dec 10 20:36:01 <xcasex> ;D
Dec 10 20:36:12 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: I know. Just want to pointed out to start with this, measure again and improve from this step-by-step
Dec 10 20:36:21 <xcasex> that and the client spec. i got a month ago. "we want voip on these two devices"
Dec 10 20:36:28 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: you don't like the idea of rewriting contacts and dialer?
Dec 10 20:36:46 <stefan_schmidt> xcasex: Looks like a nice job
Dec 10 20:36:55 <alphaone> mickeyl: Yet again?
Dec 10 20:37:00 <mickeyl> hehe
Dec 10 20:37:20 <xcasex> stefan_schmidt: i like to refer to it as my dream job ;) working full time on open source + consulting with large corporations. 
Dec 10 20:37:31 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: I could life with this, but not yet. We need upstart and other speedups anyway, so do this first
Dec 10 20:37:40 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: full ACK.
Dec 10 20:38:09 <stefan_schmidt> xcasex: I know what you mean. But still this can also be hard. When cooperate and FOSS comes together
Dec 10 20:38:25 <xcasex> stefan_schmidt: handling egos is hard in any cooperative enviroment :)
Dec 10 20:38:27 <stefan_schmidt> xcasex: But as mickeyl always said "All will become fine"
Dec 10 20:38:43 <xcasex> he's right.
Dec 10 20:38:45 * mickeyl silently smiles
Dec 10 20:38:48 <stefan_schmidt> xcasex: I have enough to do to handle my own. ;)
Dec 10 20:38:56 <xcasex> stefan_schmidt: i think we all do :)
Dec 10 20:39:04 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: I had a phone call with Sean today...
Dec 10 20:39:09 <xcasex> i'm just in it for the bt pan automagic :)
Dec 10 20:39:21 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: really? nice, any public news?
Dec 10 20:40:20 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: No, motivation/clarification
Dec 10 20:40:40 <alphaone> Meaning our motivation
Dec 10 20:40:40 <mickeyl> good
Dec 10 20:40:58 <mickeyl> did it improve
Dec 10 20:41:02 <mickeyl> or got worse?
Dec 10 20:41:07 <alphaone> Sean said something along the lines All will be great
Dec 10 20:41:16 <mickeyl> hehe
Dec 10 20:41:24 <alphaone> It actually improved
Dec 10 20:41:43 <xcasex> all i'm saying is that efl was designed for mobile clients.
Dec 10 20:41:43 <alphaone> At least I got the impression from watching Stefan
Dec 10 20:41:55 <mickeyl> good. let's hope we can carry this over until Thursday ;)
Dec 10 20:42:43 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: heh
Dec 10 20:42:57 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: What was about this contract thing again?
Dec 10 20:43:38 <mickeyl> hehe
Dec 10 20:44:50 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Let me know when you will arrive on thursday. I will be at the station then.
Dec 10 20:45:25 <mickeyl> 09:58
Dec 10 20:45:32 <mickeyl> Gleis 7
Dec 10 20:45:59 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: OK, then please leave the station at the Sued Ausgang
Dec 10 20:46:06 <mickeyl> will do
Dec 10 20:46:15 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: That is right next to Gleis 7 when you go down
Dec 10 20:46:41 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: The parking space on this side is bigger. I will wait at the entrance for you
Dec 10 20:46:50 <mickeyl> oki
Dec 10 21:23:35 <zash> xcasex: what?
Dec 10 21:32:11 <xcasex> zash: nm
Dec 10 21:44:48 <Vegar> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4736611979.html
Dec 10 21:44:54 <Vegar> "First Linux phone standard ships"
Dec 10 21:45:24 <Stephmw> yeah.. LiPS
Dec 10 21:46:27 <Stephmw> the member's list speaks for itself
Dec 10 21:48:38 <Vegar> are there plans on making openmoko compatible in a way?
Dec 10 21:49:48 <stefan_schmidt> Vegar: There is ongoing work between LiPS and OM @ freesmartphone.org
Dec 10 21:49:56 <stefan_schmidt> Vegar: Ask mickeyl about details
Dec 10 21:50:09 <Vegar> cool
Dec 10 21:50:29 <pirulo> Hi, I couldn't find updated info on when the "public" version will be out, I am already suffering  deprivation syndrome. Does anybody know when?
Dec 10 21:50:35 <Vegar> very cool
Dec 10 21:51:21 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: There no "new" updates. If you follow the Community updates from Michael you will miss nothing
Dec 10 21:51:51 <stefan_schmidt> Vegar: Not following everything but at least be compatible on the phone server part and perhaps other stuff
Dec 10 21:52:59 <Vegar> stefan_schmidt: yeah, that's very cool
Dec 10 21:53:26 <pirulo> stefan: sorry for my lack of understanding, where do I find Michael's updates?
Dec 10 21:53:44 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: On the community ml and in the wiki
Dec 10 21:54:03 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
Dec 10 21:54:17 <pirulo> Thanks,
Dec 10 21:54:32 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: But as I said. No update on the GTA02 date
Dec 10 21:56:37 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: hey thanks.... wow that was fast for normal postage received them yesterday... am about to go add them to my phone now
Dec 10 22:01:35 <ziphyx> hi peopz
Dec 10 22:02:09 <ziphyx> are there any information about the second handy from fic?
Dec 10 22:04:11 <pirulo> stefan: I'll see if I can wait a little more, specially because of the wifi on GTA02,
Dec 10 22:05:09 <opo|away> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29
Dec 10 22:05:10 <opo|away> ^^
Dec 10 22:05:21 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: I can understand waiting is hard. But we can not allow to ship broken hw (again)
Dec 10 22:05:57 <Vegar> are the 01bv4s broken?
Dec 10 22:06:13 <stefan_schmidt> opo|away: That needs to get corrected.
Dec 10 22:06:28 <stefan_schmidt> Vegar: Not besides the quad-band problem
Dec 10 22:06:37 <Vegar> ah, yeah
Dec 10 22:06:51 <Vegar> hehe
Dec 10 22:06:53 <stefan_schmidt> Vegar: But as I like as-perfect-as-possible hw I consider this as a problem
Dec 10 22:07:09 <Vegar> the quad-band thing was a major flaw
Dec 10 22:07:18 <stefan_schmidt> And GTA02 is the hell more complex with all the new chips inside
Dec 10 22:07:23 <stefan_schmidt> Vegar: :(
Dec 10 22:07:41 <Vegar> it's kinda funny
Dec 10 22:08:12 <Vegar> everyone thinks it's quad-band, even you guys
Dec 10 22:08:55 <pirulo> stefan: sounds very reasonable, 
Dec 10 22:09:32 <Vegar> not that it bothers me
Dec 10 22:09:35 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: Yeah, the only downside is that you guys have to wait longer. :)
Dec 10 22:10:21 <pirulo> we'll do, I am just not rich (or as far from poverty) enough to buy two,
Dec 10 22:10:41 <pirulo> but I may if the wait gets too long
Dec 10 22:10:56 <stefan_schmidt> Vegar: Still a big problem for us. Let's see what the hw guys can come up with. I have no more information as you guys on this. Being not involved in hw has good and bad sides.
Dec 10 22:11:35 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: If you plan to use it as your day phone you should wait for GTA02
Dec 10 22:11:56 <pirulo> stefan: i'll do then,
Dec 10 22:12:10 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: If you like to develop a lot on the phones GTA01 could still be interesting.
Dec 10 22:12:41 <stefan_schmidt> For me a devel phone can not be the same as my day phone. It will almost never work without problems :)
Dec 10 22:12:55 <xzcvczx> dammit i have lost the 2 screwdrivers i could open my phone with
Dec 10 22:13:03 <pirulo> not a lot, I am mostly a higher level programmer, (jargon for not a clue about c or c++)
Dec 10 22:13:25 <stefan_schmidt> pirulo: I would say wait for GTA02
Dec 10 22:20:01 <pirulo> ok,
Dec 10 22:22:53 <orospakr> hm, does the GTA01 have the same hardware power management bugs as the early revs of GTA02 did?
Dec 10 22:23:15 <orospakr> ie., is there hope for a future release of the software turning the GTA01 into a serviceable tri-band phone?
Dec 10 22:31:49 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03sameo * r3628 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-ng/ (9 files): ar6k-ng: First iteration, the ar6k chip gets detected and initialized.
Dec 10 22:34:27 <yoyo> sii ja
Dec 10 23:13:57 <ciacon_> hi all
Dec 10 23:15:27 <ajbrun> lo
Dec 10 23:55:56 <xzcvczx> roh: you around?
Dec 11 00:08:30 <xzcvczx> /oops/msg roh hey.... are you able to just check your diagram for the debug connector on people.om.org as i just had a look at the phone and it Looks like the modem is pin1 & pin3 not pin2 & pin3 
Dec 11 00:08:35 <xzcvczx> oh ffa
Dec 11 00:08:37 <xzcvczx> oh ffs
Dec 11 00:09:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1116 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net
Dec 11 00:09:01 <cdbot2> * * busybox 1.2.1 is old and broken -- 1.7.2 works fine
Dec 11 00:09:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1116
Dec 11 00:09:12 * xzcvczx is glad that wasnt /msg nickserv identify lw45jt04ks0
Dec 11 00:09:30 <quicksand> lol
Dec 11 00:10:06 * xzcvczx wonders whether anyone thinks he is stupid enough
Dec 11 00:10:14 <ckuethe> no, just unlucky
Dec 11 00:10:37 <xzcvczx> thanks ckuethe 
Dec 11 00:10:44 * ckuethe knows tons of people who've typed their irc password (or worse) into irc...
Dec 11 00:11:09 <xzcvczx> ckuethe: yeah almost did it once before and when people do it's like "uhhhhh can everyone forget that please"
Dec 11 00:11:32 <xzcvczx> as they are going round rapidly changing all their passwords
Dec 11 00:11:45 <quicksand> I've seen enough 'cd ~/moko; make xyzzy ... oops, wrong terminal' around here to know how easy it is
Dec 11 00:12:31 <SpeedEvil> I once - under heavy swapping - committed my most secret password to IRC.
Dec 11 00:12:37 <Mek> I sometimes accidentilly type ":q" on irc :)
Dec 11 00:13:06 <SpeedEvil> There then followed the 'unplug the outside network cable, and change seventeen passwords' dance.
Dec 11 00:13:39 <quicksand> Good call on the cable-unplug maneuver.  I probably would sit there paralyzed for a few minutes before doing anything.
Dec 11 00:13:41 <xzcvczx> haha while everyone else was going into your email
Dec 11 00:14:29 <xzcvczx> i would do one way firewall up change all my external stuff then work on the internal
Dec 11 00:15:56 <quicksand> I figure if I'm tired/drunk/stupid enough to cut loose a password on a public channel, then I better use the Ultimate Hardware Firewall (i.e. power off) and deal with it later.
Dec 11 00:16:44 <xzcvczx> quicksand: what about the external stuff like webmail passwords etc
Dec 11 00:17:01 <quicksand> Yeah, well, then I'd be hosed.  ;-)
Dec 11 00:17:21 <quicksand> Good thing I'm not an IT admin.
Dec 11 00:17:35 <quicksand> (for anyone other than myself, that is.)
Dec 11 01:20:11 <hhf423> hmm
Dec 11 01:34:25 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03sameo * r3629 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-ng/160-ar6k_ng.patch: ar6k-ng: Added the ar6k code itself to the ng driver.
Dec 11 01:50:40 <bkruse> hey guys
Dec 11 02:11:19 <readon> do you think udev is too slow to boot?
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