**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 20 02:59:57 2007 Dec 20 03:29:31 jonaslind: yeah thats how it works, one version some things will work then the next they will not. Its all software testing at this point, If you want a fully functional phone get Qtopia for now, OM latest version is good but the Kernel modules are broken; for me at least, that means no audio no BT no GPS no GSM blah blah. The short answer is try a version and decide what you like the best, Ive never had SMS working without cu'i Dec 20 03:29:31 ng the modem and issuing commands manually, QTopia works decent for me, when im NOT in a GSM 850 area Dec 20 03:31:52 Im working on a Distro based on the minimalistic values of Linux, and a true desktop enviroment. ill have it ready one day ... Dec 20 03:34:20 one day... Dec 20 03:34:23 :) Dec 20 03:36:19 lol the desktop is working, just getting rid of DBUS Neod GPSD and many many other things. Dec 20 03:37:13 need to build a new dialer Dec 20 03:37:43 maybe ill call ot OpenSlacko Dec 20 03:38:10 no dbus? Dec 20 03:38:13 life will be tough Dec 20 03:38:14 :) Dec 20 03:38:43 I want to do more with the programs accessing the modem and issuing commands manually Dec 20 03:51:15 Greetings Sir raster -- are you in tw or australia? Dec 20 03:55:34 mwester: right now .tw Dec 20 03:56:05 i'll be back in .au satruday night Dec 20 04:03:25 I was looking up OSes for the Neo and sun has something called JavaFX it looks nice, too bad its java based lol Dec 20 04:05:00 ewwww Dec 20 04:05:22 why the hate? Dec 20 04:06:11 A phone is very personal and should be very secure, java just is not. Dec 20 04:06:30 i'm not qualified to comment on that but i'd be surprised ... Dec 20 04:10:08 anrp: many reasons Dec 20 04:10:39 anrp: i have never met a programming environment that eats more memory, provides less control and eats up more cpu resources, than java Dec 20 04:10:43 i ahve done java Dec 20 04:10:46 and i swore off it Dec 20 04:10:51 been ther. done that Dec 20 04:10:56 ran screaming. Dec 20 04:11:05 lua D: Dec 20 04:11:21 lua is a different kettle of fish Dec 20 04:11:39 i put java into the c/c++/c#.net/assembly camp Dec 20 04:11:43 it requires compiling Dec 20 04:11:57 and why lua when i can do it perfectly well in c Dec 20 04:11:58 :) Dec 20 04:12:09 lua i would use and glue and extensibility scripting only Dec 20 04:12:09 the eternal question Dec 20 04:12:13 * anrp dares not answer Dec 20 04:12:14 maybe as a replacment for /bin/sh Dec 20 04:12:37 but i wont' touch java with a barge pole Dec 20 05:38:05 Regarding the 850 thing in NA, there is only one provider in Canada who bought the other GSM provider a while ago, forming a monopoly. The bought provider has more customers (and had given better service) and only operations on the older 1900 AFAIK from anywhere I've connected with it. Dec 20 06:36:30 when would populate_packages_prepend() actually take effect? Dec 20 06:52:33 moin Dec 20 06:59:09 anyone know how can i find Nokia E51 Wlan MAC address to be able to add it to a router allow list ? Dec 20 06:59:46 look for it under the battery Dec 20 07:03:53 openmoko: 03john_lee * r3697 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/README: Dec 20 07:03:53 openmoko: Update README to reflact source code path change and om-conf new Dec 20 07:03:53 openmoko: feature. Dec 20 07:26:10 what's about dual mode of Noia E51 ? is supporting 2 operators like both Vodafone and Orange with 2 sim inside ? Dec 20 07:47:00 * * OM Bug 1140 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net Dec 20 07:47:01 * * u-boot menu text is not displayed correctly (GTA01Bv4) Dec 20 07:47:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1140 Dec 20 08:22:31 good morning Dec 20 08:56:53 * CM is a coughing heap of snot :( Dec 20 09:09:32 morning Dec 20 09:12:46 hmm, how come official images is not updates for a month now? Dec 20 09:34:59 hrw: Btw, is it on purpose that planet.openmoko gets your full feed and not only the openmoko tags? Dec 20 09:35:30 (Not complaining, I've had your full feed in my reader since before the planet was even up) ;) Dec 20 09:35:56 jeddy3: Because buildhost broke down, physically Dec 20 09:37:44 CM: someone changed that sometime ago Dec 20 09:38:07 CM: I also was surprised Dec 20 09:38:18 Ok. Nothing wrong with getting more posts on the planet Dec 20 09:38:21 :) Dec 20 09:38:23 yep Dec 20 09:38:33 People see that stuff is happening Dec 20 09:39:00 But the rss on the left pointed to your openmoko feed, that's why I asked. Dec 20 09:39:54 ah... I know why it happens Dec 20 09:40:18 on my blog I point all readers to feedburner instead of my own feed Dec 20 09:40:24 Ah, ok Dec 20 09:40:29 and recently upgraded plugin which do that Dec 20 09:40:48 old one had added code which forced /tag/openmoko/feed/ to be separate one Dec 20 09:41:32 thats why all my posts are there Dec 20 09:41:48 *nod* Dec 20 09:42:38 On the 'my mokomakefile fails' theme. Dec 20 09:43:04 find youromtree -name mkimage Dec 20 09:43:20 find the one that's a native binary for your build system Dec 20 09:43:25 copy it to /usr/local/bin Dec 20 09:43:29 and then the kernel builds Dec 20 09:43:49 (this is certainly not the 'right' way of course) Dec 20 09:44:00 Weird... Dec 20 09:44:13 or ratehr - copy it to uboot-mkimage Dec 20 09:44:46 SpeedEvil: Not exactly sandboxed build env if you depend on stuff that on your os.. Dec 20 09:44:50 CM, ah, that might explain it =) Dec 20 09:45:31 jeddy3: They're partly done with the migration to a new buildhost, but they've had some issues Dec 20 09:45:39 CM: no - this is quick hack only Dec 20 09:45:45 buildhost-migrate.om.o was up for a while Dec 20 09:46:14 SpeedEvil: Sure, but I meant that it's bad the hack was needed in the first place Dec 20 09:46:27 indeed. Dec 20 09:46:56 I don't know where the local build tools are kept, or how to say 'install this in the native tools dir' Dec 20 09:47:07 ~poke XorA Dec 20 09:47:30 and of course to say that that linux package depends on the uboot one Dec 20 09:47:32 Where's apt? Dec 20 09:47:44 CM: wazzup Dec 20 09:48:03 XorA: Know anything about that uboot build problem? Dec 20 09:48:10 CM: its fixed in OE Dec 20 09:48:15 Ah, ok Dec 20 09:48:34 * XorA is waiting for john to verify and sync the OM mirror Dec 20 09:48:41 but not in openmoko OE so you need to wait Dec 20 09:49:01 XorA: Sometimes I wonder if it's good or bad to run bleeding edge and automatic srcrevs.. Dec 20 09:49:12 Bad! Dec 20 09:49:22 Look at the example google is setting with their version of qemu! Dec 20 09:49:23 How doi check u-boot version? Dec 20 09:49:25 But it seems to work better.. Dec 20 09:49:27 CM: its cool, it lets you see the features :-) Dec 20 09:49:27 They must know what they are doing. Dec 20 09:49:48 rad Dec 20 09:49:48 SpeedEvil: Hehe.. Yeah, lets all start using really old stuff! Dec 20 09:49:54 raddy: on your phone you mean? Dec 20 09:50:07 * CM installs Woody Dec 20 09:50:08 SpeedEvil : yeahh Dec 20 09:50:27 CM: install OpenVMS on Neo and use decent old stuff Dec 20 09:50:27 Gah. Dec 20 09:50:32 Someone unplugged my phone. Dec 20 09:50:42 raddy: On mine I see it on the top line if I start it holding in AUX Dec 20 09:50:43 * SpeedEvil tries to use his biological memory. Dec 20 09:51:00 that too IIRC Dec 20 09:51:03 On another matter. Dec 20 09:51:18 Has recent kernels gotten _MUCH_ slower writing to microSD? Dec 20 09:51:29 though admittedly not deadlocking. Dec 20 09:51:38 well - whatever it was doing. Dec 20 09:51:44 how recent is recent? still 2.6.22.5? Dec 20 09:52:05 as in comparing the initially shipped one with the one in the end-of-november snapshot Dec 20 09:52:19 I thought I remembered 4 or 5 M/s, but now I get 1 Dec 20 09:52:21 Is it really important to update eboot to august snapshot? Dec 20 09:52:32 raddy: no Dec 20 09:53:01 * * OM Bug 1141 has been created by dodji(AT)openedhand.com Dec 20 09:53:02 * * segfault when running expedite Dec 20 09:53:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1141 Dec 20 09:53:03 raddy: there is no pressing need to update u-boot - as long as you are aware of the minor workarounds needed Dec 20 09:53:35 for example - when you are writing a smaller root fs than the existing one, you need to do nand erase rootfs from the bootloader. Dec 20 09:54:07 SpeedEvil: suggest to update U-boot http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/ Dec 20 09:54:54 August was the first shipment if I recall correctly. Dec 20 09:55:08 so if you bought one, you got that version Dec 20 09:55:18 SpeedEvil : but mine is May :( Dec 20 09:55:45 SpeedEvil : May 19 2007 Dec 20 09:55:47 you got a 'free' phone? Dec 20 09:56:29 SpeedEvil : i didn't get you, but i got a empty flash phone, Dec 20 09:56:55 I mean if you purchased it - the version of uboot that it came with should be functional. Dec 20 09:57:48 raddy: I'm not sure how good the one in the 2007.11 snapshot is Dec 20 09:58:03 raddy: The one from 2007.8 did definitely work Dec 20 09:58:39 CM: ohh, how good mean, how much compatible? Dec 20 09:58:53 raddy: did you purchase your phone? Dec 20 09:58:54 It's pretty safe to update u-boot, as long as you use a known good version Dec 20 09:59:07 "safe" in a relative way.. Dec 20 09:59:08 if you did, there is no pressing need to update Dec 20 09:59:33 SpeedEvil: Well, the first batch still have that nand erase rootfs thing Dec 20 09:59:50 SpeedEvil : ofcource i purchased it Dec 20 09:59:51 I think that's a bit of a bother.. Since if you write nand erase you'll brick it Dec 20 10:00:07 raddy: Some early devs got a pre-release test version for freel Dec 20 10:00:10 -l Dec 20 10:01:28 raddy: Also, if you plan to boot from SD you need a special u-boot version too, before it got broken some time in August Dec 20 10:02:02 CM: i won't be booting from SD Dec 20 10:02:26 SpeedEvil : seems i'll stick with workarounds Dec 20 10:06:08 SpeedEvil: "nand erase rootfs" enough? Dec 20 10:06:24 basically yes. Dec 20 10:06:27 raddy: Yes, or kernel if you're about to flash a new kernel Dec 20 10:06:48 nand erase Dec 20 10:06:53 without argument bricks it though Dec 20 10:07:14 SpeedEvil: That's why I think it's better to flash the 2007.8 u-boot Dec 20 10:07:15 you don't need to that for the kernel aiui Dec 20 10:08:20 i think that open-mokotermial2 sholud be set smaler font by default ( i changed value in sources from 5 to 2 looks mutch better) Dec 20 10:09:01 NineX: I think it's patched, but from 5 to 3 or so right now.. Dec 20 10:09:28 Or maybe 6 to 3 in bleeding-edge. I agree though, it should be smaller Dec 20 10:09:32 LiberationMono 5 Dec 20 10:09:44 CM: bleeding-edge Dec 20 10:09:54 Ok :) Dec 20 10:10:02 openmoko-terminal2-2.1.1+svnr3542-r2 Dec 20 10:10:06 CM: I disagree - but meh. Anyway. is there somewhere a list of completed tasks that bitbake's done? Dec 20 10:10:31 SpeedEvil: build/tmp/stamps/ Dec 20 10:10:40 SpeedEvil : how do i find out the kernel size it is the phone Dec 20 10:10:58 the kernel size is unimportant Dec 20 10:11:07 it's the jffs image size that's important Dec 20 10:11:42 if the new FS yoiu're uploading has less usage than the old one, then the kernel seems to see both at the same time, corruptedly Dec 20 10:13:43 SpeedEvil : so i don't need format kernel even if i am patching lower sized kernel image, right? Dec 20 10:13:50 no Dec 20 10:14:07 it's a problem with the way the kernel handles jffs images as I understand it Dec 20 10:15:01 SpeedEvil : thats why i asked how to find the existing size the stuff in the phone, so that i can get to know whether the stuff i am flashing is smaller or bigger Dec 20 10:15:21 CM : what is cu? Dec 20 10:15:26 you don't bother - just do it anyway - it's a 30s procedure Dec 20 10:15:32 cu is a minimal terminal program Dec 20 10:15:33 well, it's a problem with the jffs2 design, not with the kernel Dec 20 10:15:39 balrog-kun: yeah Dec 20 10:16:43 SpeedEvil : when issue cu -l i got command not found error, what to do? Dec 20 10:17:32 raddy: any terminal program will do. Dec 20 10:17:35 minicom or whatever Dec 20 10:17:51 as long as you set it up to use the /dev/ttyACM0 device Dec 20 10:18:04 (you may need to install/build that module if it doesn't automatically) Dec 20 10:18:13 SpeedEvil: I honestly think minicom was a pain.. Dec 20 10:18:14 and you need to press down the aux button to enable that mode on boot Dec 20 10:18:22 cutecom was suggested by some Dec 20 10:18:25 well - whatever you're happy with Dec 20 10:18:44 And what is the name of cu when it's packaged? Was some name before it I think... Dec 20 10:18:58 anyone happen to know how to get the coordinate display on the side of a gnuplot pllot into timefmt? Dec 20 10:19:19 it's part of the uucptools Dec 20 10:19:37 Ah, that's it Dec 20 10:19:53 When I got onto the internet, I actually had a bang path for a few months IIRC Dec 20 10:19:58 though it wasn't used Dec 20 10:20:55 Ah, I never figured this one out in cu: "To disconnect, type the escape character '~' followed by '.' at the beginning of a line." Dec 20 10:21:56 of course, ssh has the same escape sequence Dec 20 10:22:02 so you need to do ~~. Dec 20 10:22:11 if you want to do it over a ssh session. Dec 20 10:22:11 err Dec 20 10:22:24 oh - yeah. Dec 20 10:22:40 or maybe I'm talking of dropbear only. Dec 20 10:25:32 Is there any special sequence for erasing nand, which one should i erase first, kernel or rootfs? Dec 20 10:26:47 raddy: As they said, just do the rootfs Dec 20 10:26:58 :) Dec 20 10:27:25 And to labour the point again, "nand erase" will brick your device. Dec 20 10:27:36 So don't do that. Dec 20 10:27:46 always give an argument Dec 20 10:28:31 okk Dec 20 10:35:50 CM: http://ninex.info/grafika/terminal-new.jpg <- with font setted to 3 , termianl looks much better :> Dec 20 10:38:27 NineX: Oh, cool :) Dec 20 10:39:50 openmoko: 03laforge * r3698 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c_mci.patch: (log message trimmed) Dec 20 10:39:50 openmoko: s3c_mci: Dec 20 10:39:50 openmoko: * add support for unaligned and non-modulo-four transfers Dec 20 10:39:50 openmoko: * remove cmd2str/err2str functions, as requested by Pierre Ossmann Dec 20 10:39:50 openmoko: * remove include of linux/mmc/mmc.h, as requested by Pierre Ossmann Dec 20 10:39:51 openmoko: * cosmetic cleanup (remove {} in one-line control blocks) Dec 20 10:39:55 openmoko: * add 'do_dma' member to platform_data Dec 20 10:40:28 Really been a lot of 2.6.24 updates in the last two weeks. :) Dec 20 10:41:13 * NineX|Moko thonking about invert terminalcolors Dec 20 10:41:47 Yeah, -fg white -bg black is it.. ;) Dec 20 10:45:05 CM: misread that to be 'fucking white - black is it...' Dec 20 10:45:30 CM: the joys of online gaming... I'm too used to seeing english abbreviated :) Dec 20 10:50:27 CM: openmokoterminal ignorign arguments Dec 20 10:52:14 openmoko: 03laforge * r3699 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c_mci.patch: s3c_mci: Add SDIO IRQ handling Dec 20 10:59:41 no really... where did my moko build directory go today? Dec 20 10:59:48 I had one yesterday Dec 20 11:23:40 CM: I wonder how usable 2.6.24-rc is on gta01 Dec 20 11:26:20 hrw: better performances?? Dec 20 11:27:13 hmm. | cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-fvisibility=hidden" Dec 20 11:27:46 NOTE: package uicmoc4-native-4.3.2-r0: task do_compile: failed Dec 20 11:27:52 * SpeedEvil ponbders. Dec 20 11:28:32 hmm Dec 20 11:28:34 uicmoc4-native Dec 20 11:28:42 sounds like you need a better compiler on your build machine Dec 20 11:28:55 i don't recall when the visibility attribute was introduced Dec 20 11:28:59 but it's not _that_ recent Dec 20 11:29:07 I installed 3 whatever's latest due to qemu not building Dec 20 11:29:24 most people have 4.3 and 3.3 parallel Dec 20 11:29:32 4.3 for almost everything Dec 20 11:29:40 and gcc3.3 package for some rare stuff Dec 20 11:29:44 that has problems with 4.x Dec 20 11:29:51 I have both installed, I just need to work out why it's picking 4.x as defautl. Dec 20 11:30:55 ifeel: thats what 2.6.23/24 gives but how good 2.6.24-rc is on gta is a question Dec 20 11:33:05 Okaay. If I've built 1500 tasks with 3.x, do I need to make clobber if I've now just made 4.x the default? Dec 20 11:34:05 Hello Everybody Dec 20 11:34:45 Please help, when i enter sudo chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 Dec 20 11:34:57 i am getting missing operand error Dec 20 11:36:30 shouldn't it be uucp:uucp ? Dec 20 11:36:36 not with an . Dec 20 11:36:59 chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE... Dec 20 11:37:01 yes Dec 20 11:38:14 what's with all this 'native' naming on the packages? Dec 20 11:38:56 strangely enough, most chown commands will accept '.' instead of ':' Dec 20 11:39:00 usually says this in their docs Dec 20 11:45:48 mickeyl: do you know status of 2.6.24-rc on gta01? Dec 20 11:47:36 never tried Dec 20 11:47:56 LaF0rge ? Dec 20 11:48:30 I'm building via the moko makefile as a normal user in /moko Dec 20 11:48:36 I wonder which kernel will just works with my microsd card Dec 20 11:48:51 for some reason it appears the build process appears to be hammering files in /home, which is an nfs mount Dec 20 11:49:02 hachi: .ccache Dec 20 11:49:02 causing it to be much slower Dec 20 11:49:07 bloody hell Dec 20 11:49:17 I just symlinked it to my real disk Dec 20 11:49:36 It also eats substantial disk space Dec 20 11:49:50 my build process is waiting for 3 processes to finish... if I kill it hard, will it start them over from scratch Dec 20 11:49:54 or is this gonna hose it? Dec 20 11:50:16 or... can I move .cccache on the fly? Dec 20 11:50:19 I think you can actually simply nuke the .ccache directory, and relink it Dec 20 11:50:23 I bet that's a safe operation Dec 20 11:51:08 ccache has been more trouble then it's worth for me.. Dec 20 11:51:22 Just disable it ;) Dec 20 11:51:34 can I just disable it on the fly? Dec 20 11:52:00 * CM doesn't know Dec 20 11:52:26 nope, that took it down hard :\ Dec 20 11:53:33 SpeedEvil i am going nand erase clean kernel and rootfs, is it really safe? Dec 20 11:54:41 as long as you don't execute nand erase without a parameter :) Dec 20 11:55:19 as long as uboot is bootable, everything is easily fixable Dec 20 11:56:59 i am logged in root Dec 20 11:57:05 entered sudo chown uucp:uucp /dev/ttyACM0 Dec 20 11:57:35 but still getting permission denied error when cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 Dec 20 11:57:40 what to do? Dec 20 11:57:53 cu on debian based distros wont run as root Dec 20 11:57:58 run it as a normal user Dec 20 11:58:14 or use screen instead of cu Dec 20 11:59:28 screen /dev/ttyACM0 ? Dec 20 11:59:49 yeah, if you need a speed or other options it goes after it Dec 20 12:00:05 I mean, usually people know how to use screen pretty well Dec 20 12:00:11 so that's easier than learning cu Dec 20 12:01:19 cu on debian based distros wont run as root << debian unstable, have run it only as root Dec 20 12:01:30 I use picocom usually Dec 20 12:03:06 i got incorrect device type when i entered nand erase clean kernel Dec 20 12:03:11 via screen Dec 20 12:03:17 why is that? Dec 20 12:03:19 "nand erase kernel" Dec 20 12:03:57 hrw : for erasing root fs? Dec 20 12:04:05 nand erase rootfs Dec 20 12:04:30 doing a clean-package-libxml-parser-perl-native-2.34 isn't removing ccache from the attempted build process Dec 20 12:04:37 so it keeps failing over and over on me Dec 20 12:05:22 does u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.0+git20071201+svnr3484-r0.bin is stable-working version? Dec 20 12:05:44 and does it allow to boot from sd? Dec 20 12:08:43 hachi: man ccache Dec 20 12:09:14 I've removed it Dec 20 12:09:23 ccache -F 100 sets it to 100 files max Dec 20 12:09:36 why is moko makefile trying to use ccache when it's not there? Dec 20 12:10:24 are you sure ccache isn't there? Dec 20 12:11:03 well, considering it's bitching at me saying 'ccache, no such command' Dec 20 12:11:04 yeah Dec 20 12:11:08 I'd say it's not there Dec 20 12:11:40 that and the fact that I did an 'apt-get --purge remove ccache' Dec 20 12:12:33 someone tried 2007.11 uboot? Dec 20 12:18:25 hey folks, got a question. Dec 20 12:19:01 why not my mokomakefile build images does pop up the pin entry on boot up? what should I do to work? Dec 20 12:19:14 which feeds are officially supported for 2007.11? Dec 20 12:19:29 snapshots/2007.11/ ones AND OM2007.2/ ones or only first ones? Dec 20 12:19:35 as OM2007.2/ are 404 Dec 20 12:23:48 mtd erase failure -22 is a bad dangerous sign? Dec 20 12:23:54 I am afraid? Dec 20 12:25:28 SpeedEvil : when i ran nand erase clean rootfs i got that outputs Dec 20 12:25:39 mtd erase failure -22 Dec 20 12:25:53 Whats that ? Dec 20 12:26:07 dunno Dec 20 12:26:15 I just use nand erase rootfs Dec 20 12:26:20 I'm unsure what clean does Dec 20 12:26:32 SpeedEvil : ohhh Dec 20 12:29:02 openmoko: 03laforge * r3700 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c_mci.patch: Dec 20 12:29:02 openmoko: s3c_mci: Dec 20 12:29:02 openmoko: * re-add missing 'include/asm-arm/arch-s3c2410/mci.h' file to this patch Dec 20 12:29:02 openmoko: * make sure the s3c_mci driver gets the correct platform device name on s3c2412/2440/2442 Dec 20 12:32:43 openmoko: 03chris * r3701 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-pim-journal.c): Dec 20 12:32:43 openmoko: * src/today-pim-journal.c: (today_pim_journal_entry_changed), Dec 20 12:32:43 openmoko: (note_added_cb), (note_modified_cb), (note_removed_cb), Dec 20 12:32:43 openmoko: (note_store_opened_cb), (event_store_opened_cb), Dec 20 12:32:43 openmoko: (today_pim_journal_box_new): Dec 20 12:32:45 openmoko: Use libjana to display unread SMS message count Dec 20 12:33:41 CM: i got some outputs when ran nand erase rootfs Dec 20 12:33:47 hmmm, canola2 refuses to show cover art in "album cover" view...but shows them in all other views Dec 20 12:35:28 raddy: Oh, never seen that one Dec 20 12:37:09 CM : so, is it any major problem? Dec 20 12:37:58 hmm, wrong channel Dec 20 12:38:12 jeddy3: #maemo would be better Dec 20 12:38:42 I have one device running maemo but refuse to support any nokia device Dec 20 12:38:51 hrw, yes, apparently :) Dec 20 12:41:33 raddy: Don't worry, just flash a new rootfs and see what happens Dec 20 12:41:45 raddy: If it doesn't work, flash another one Dec 20 12:42:20 raddy: As long as you don't erase or flash a bad u-boot or some crap over your u-boot partition you won't brick your Neo Dec 20 12:42:34 Just try some kernels and rootfs Dec 20 12:42:46 And if it doesn't work, flash some other Dec 20 12:42:47 :) Dec 20 12:46:42 Or unless you reflash >100K times Dec 20 12:51:16 openmoko: 03mickey * r3702 10/trunk/src/host/xoo/ (. neo1973.jpg neo1973.xml): add xoo device configuration Dec 20 13:08:36 yo Dec 20 13:16:19 mickeyl: qtopia has a quite well done neo1973 skin, don't know if you've seen it Dec 20 13:16:29 no, i didn't Dec 20 13:16:41 where do they have it? Dec 20 13:16:41 i think it's usable (but not directly with xoo, would have to be scaled perhaps) Dec 20 13:17:06 mickeyl: afaik they have no cvs anywhere, so the tarball :/ Dec 20 13:17:11 hmm Dec 20 13:17:20 can you put it online somewhere? (just the image) Dec 20 13:17:27 i could upload the image and the xml but i'm not home at the moment Dec 20 13:17:36 k, cool Dec 20 13:17:48 * balrog-kun is sitting on the floor in a corridor full of people :) Dec 20 13:17:59 sounds like fun Dec 20 13:18:01 where are you? Dec 20 13:18:09 at university Dec 20 13:18:15 ah Dec 20 13:18:40 not a very interesting place Dec 20 13:24:10 thats the downside of FOSDEM, feels like being back at Uni Dec 20 13:24:35 XorA: guadec was at uni too Dec 20 13:25:02 because it was actually in a university building this year :p Dec 20 13:25:07 (fosdem) Dec 20 13:25:22 hrw: FOSDEM looks like my old uni, Birmingham not so much so Dec 20 13:26:00 ;) Dec 20 13:27:22 XorA: please add mtd-utils into DEPENDS of linux-openmoko. BitBake do not parse RDEPENDS_* liines for deps Dec 20 13:29:12 ops. sorry - it does Dec 20 13:30:09 can someone please tell me if/when/how the GPS is supposed to work now with gllin? is there a more standard non-dodgy way of using it than having to fire it up manually all the time? Dec 20 13:31:21 torpor: i think a /etc/rc.d script is supplied? Dec 20 13:31:47 openmoko: 03mickey * r3703 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/autogen.sh: artwork/icons: add autogen.sh Dec 20 13:32:01 openmoko: 03mickey * r3704 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/openmoko-today2-folders/autogen.sh: openmoko-today2-folders: add autogen.sh Dec 20 13:38:44 Hello Everybody Dec 20 13:39:14 I am getting cannot execute binary file when running Dfu-utils Dec 20 13:39:18 Please help Dec 20 13:39:27 Runing opensuse 10.3 Dec 20 13:39:57 did you build the dfu-utils on this same system? Dec 20 13:41:53 raddy: 64bit machine? Dec 20 13:43:36 torpor: see the wiki, i showed a way to do so but i recommend using udp. that way gllin works fine always. maybe (for software like gpsd) you need another transportation for nmea but i didnt test that because my gps-chip doesn't work at all anymore. Dec 20 13:43:44 someone here got "Messages" application working? Dec 20 13:45:26 emdete: what does it do? Dec 20 13:45:58 hrw : where can i find 64bit binary? Dec 20 13:46:13 Just run the 32 bit one twice. Dec 20 13:47:17 raddy: Do you have MokoMakefile set up? Dec 20 13:47:41 abraxa_: nope, isn't there a binary? Dec 20 13:47:59 raddy: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/dfu-util-x86-64.bin Dec 20 13:49:28 hrw: it was working yesterday, but some updates yesterday seem to have made it less working Dec 20 13:50:02 hrw : thanks alot for your finding Dec 20 13:50:46 "less working" -- sounds like XorA has been hanging about with politicians lately! :D Dec 20 13:51:05 G'mornin' Dec 20 13:51:07 mwester: well its not totally broken Dec 20 13:52:07 there is no /etc/rc.d script - at least, its not fully working like a normal rc script imho Dec 20 13:52:10 but okay i'll hack away Dec 20 13:53:17 torpor: it would be really, really good if there was a gpsd-gllin.ipk that would depend upon both gpsd and gllin, and also contain the necessary scripts and what-not to make the two work nicely together. :) Dec 20 13:53:51 mwester: it really would be really really good Dec 20 13:53:54 i'd like that as well Dec 20 13:54:13 * mwester hasn't written such a thing, but he's at least thought about it since he wanted a simple script to be able to query the lat/lon coordinates, and can't make sense of the output of gllin. Dec 20 13:54:14 ntpd too! Dec 20 13:54:26 mwester: it's nmea - it's trivial. Dec 20 13:54:28 Oooh - yes, ntpd would be cool. Dec 20 13:55:12 SpeedEvil: :( it looked non-trivial to me -- lots of info encoded, along with state. And all I wanted was a shell script to have two numbers. Dec 20 13:55:55 But it might be a good reason to learn python finally. :) Dec 20 13:57:44