**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 24 02:59:57 2007 Dec 24 04:45:57 Hello Everybody Dec 24 04:46:34 Why do i need to compile openmoko distribution for application development Dec 24 04:50:13 because the external toolchain is not yet ready. Dec 24 04:50:45 mwester : Ohh :( Dec 24 04:51:17 How much time it will take to compile openmoko Dec 24 04:53:02 Depends on your system. I can build it from nothing in about 6.5 hours (dual-core 2.66MHz P4) Dec 24 04:54:02 How much RAM you have? Dec 24 04:55:08 2GB Dec 24 05:04:06 So should need to be connected for 6-7hrs ? Dec 24 05:06:38 mwester : So should need to be connected for 6-7hrs ? Dec 24 05:10:15 mwester : do i need gcc 3.3? Dec 24 05:10:32 Won't openmoko compile on gcc 4x ?? Dec 24 05:10:45 gcc 4 is fine Dec 24 05:10:45 openmoko image will compile with 4.x Dec 24 05:10:53 qemu compile needs 3.x I believe Dec 24 05:11:07 best is to have both installed :-) Dec 24 05:11:55 * rwhitby raises a virtual coldie to ljp, wishing merry christmas Dec 24 05:12:00 rwhitby : i am planning to use mokomakefile, will it fail if i don't have gcc3x Dec 24 05:12:25 only if you ask it to build qemu Dec 24 05:12:47 but I've never tested it myself without both installed. Dec 24 05:14:13 rwhitby : How to ask it to just compile openmoko and not to compile qemu Dec 24 05:15:27 raddy: I would suggest you just install gcc 3.x and save yourself the hassle Dec 24 05:15:40 since I think qemu is built in the image build anyway to do locale stuff Dec 24 05:18:13 you can specify ASSUME_PROVIDED += "qemu-native" in your local.conf Dec 24 05:18:22 rwhitby : can you use any version of gcc3x beyond 3.3? Dec 24 05:18:28 if you have qemu installed Dec 24 05:19:24 ljp : ohh, so can i install qemu seperately and can use it to emulate openmoko? Dec 24 05:19:51 ljp : i mean can i install qemu from rpm packages? Dec 24 05:21:38 i believe so Dec 24 05:51:08 Hello Everybody Dec 24 05:51:42 Why should build openmoko for developing applications for openmoko? Dec 24 05:52:30 Can't i just move the binaries via usb connection instead merging in in the OS Image? Dec 24 05:54:34 Sure. But you need a compiler to compile them with. And a linker to link the application. And if your application has a GUI, it needs the X11 libraries to link against, so you need to compile and build the X11 libraries, too.... and the list goes on until you have built most of what you need for the openmoko image. Dec 24 05:56:12 Someday (when the software stabilizes a bit more) you'll be able to download and install a cross-compiler for your host system, and install the pre-build X11 and other libraries and header files, run a script to set up your environment, and just build your application -- but that's not ready yet. Dec 24 05:56:43 mwester : won't it be enough if we install xorg-devel for linking graphical applications? Dec 24 05:57:19 You'll need the version of xorg-devel compiled for openmoko. And all of the other libraries that go with it. Dec 24 05:57:37 mwester : Oh :( Dec 24 05:57:47 You can't just use the one on your host, unless your host system runs the same processor and OS. Dec 24 05:59:21 mwester : ohh, what if i install openmoko in qemu, can't i compile my applications in qemu? Dec 24 06:00:32 You'll need to install a native openmoko compiler, and the development libraries. If those exist somewhere, they are not in the normal openmoko feeds as far as I know. Dec 24 06:00:45 Also, that's a very slow way to build any software. Dec 24 06:05:10 mwester : is it possible to get any output when i run make setup? Dec 24 06:05:47 mwester : currently it doesn't show anything, and is very difficult to know whether it is working or not Dec 24 06:58:50 Is it possible to get build status in MokoMakefile? Dec 24 07:27:56 raddy: xxx of yyy is the best you get Dec 24 07:28:52 rwhitby : i am not getting anything, why? Dec 24 07:29:15 rwhitby : i just got some svn related stuff, then nothing Dec 24 07:30:02 probably a slow or hung openmoko svn server Dec 24 07:30:56 rwhitby : can you tell me any solution? Dec 24 08:02:59 Hello Everybody Dec 24 08:03:08 In MokoMake Dec 24 08:03:34 When i run make setup i am not getting any put Dec 24 08:03:54 But when i run just make Dec 24 08:04:03 I am getting some output Dec 24 08:04:15 it's christmas eve Dec 24 08:04:25 you should be getting ready for some serious fucking eating Dec 24 08:05:19 ewon, CakeMake ? Dec 24 08:39:07 good morning Dec 24 08:41:11 sup guys Dec 24 08:42:33 Hopscotch, good morning Dec 24 09:21:52 Dock-a-loodle-fod! - Dyslexic roosters are a sad site Dec 24 10:06:41 hi all Dec 24 10:06:49 how can we measure the overall Dec 24 10:07:05 cpu usage a process? Dec 24 10:35:47 Hi .. Dec 24 10:35:48 morning Dec 24 10:35:57 good morning Dec 24 10:36:09 I have a doubt Dec 24 10:37:05 i am following the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#What.27s_the_goal.3F Dec 24 10:37:18 for developing a openmoko applicaton Dec 24 10:39:16 i followed the manual process as mentioned in the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU instead of using the mokomake file . Dec 24 10:40:04 now i have to create a local overlay in the environment that i created ... Dec 24 10:40:54 hello Dec 24 10:40:58 in the section "setting up the local overlay" in the page, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#What.27s_the_goal.3F, there is an instruction like this Dec 24 10:40:59 cp build/conf/site.conf local/conf/site.conf Dec 24 10:41:24 so my dad says that he may buy me a Neo if I pay for the service. Dec 24 10:41:31 I live in the USA Dec 24 10:41:32 but i could n find any site.conf file Dec 24 10:41:36 what service would be good? Dec 24 10:41:47 something with flat rate GPRS Dec 24 10:42:01 * * OM Bug 1146 has been created by graeme(AT)openmoko.org Dec 24 10:42:02 * * Ret key in phone number makes contacts go crazy Dec 24 10:42:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1146 Dec 24 10:42:24 and people can have fun with that bug I just found :-) Dec 24 10:43:18 XorA: Like what services? AT&T? T-Mobile? Dec 24 10:43:37 I have t-mobile in UK with flat rate GPRS Dec 24 10:43:45 I dont know the US market Dec 24 10:43:49 Oh. Dec 24 10:43:50 Okay. Dec 24 10:44:00 So how is it working for you? Dec 24 10:44:12 Are you using it as a regular phone? Dec 24 10:44:27 BLAAAAAHHH: GTA01 isnt suitable for using as a phone yet, GTA02 will hopefully improve situation Dec 24 10:44:37 * XorA crosses fingers Dec 24 10:44:49 And it comes out in March? Dec 24 10:45:24 again cross fingers :-) Dec 24 10:46:03 Any chance of it being out earlier than that? Dec 24 10:46:20 BLAAAAAHHH: realistically I doubt it, hardware design takes time Dec 24 10:46:27 Oh. Dec 24 10:46:55 Will people who have GTA01's be elligable for upgrades or discounts or something? Dec 24 10:46:57 BLAAAAAHHH: keep monitoring community lists for Michael_Shilohs updates Dec 24 10:47:17 BLAAAAAHHH: I only do software for OM, I don't even know their business guys Dec 24 10:47:29 BLAAAAAHHH: no Dec 24 10:47:44 be cool if openmoko released a sidekick style device.......i notice t-mobile uk just started stocking the sidekick slide Dec 24 10:48:00 answering to myself: cpu usage of a process: in /proc//stat :-) Dec 24 10:48:01 BLAAAAAHHH: it was told that gta01 price was changed to lower due to not going into discounts thing later Dec 24 10:48:02 cat /proc/1397/stat | awk '{print "utimes=",$14,"stimes="}' Dec 24 10:49:07 cat /proc/1397/stat | awk '{print "utimes=",$14,"stimes=", $15}' Dec 24 10:50:18 hrw: oh. Dec 24 10:50:32 anybody has an idea what a openmoko tree is? Dec 24 10:52:24 sreekanth: ? Dec 24 10:52:51 XorA: So what makes the GTA01 not suitable as a phone? Dec 24 10:53:14 @hrw: openmoko tree layout or some thing like that for app development Dec 24 10:53:14 BLAAAAAHHH: not enough standby time yet, and software isnt working yet Dec 24 10:53:51 sreekanth: I do not get it... Dec 24 10:53:53 not working? Dec 24 10:55:02 alright. Dec 24 10:55:06 see ya later :) Dec 24 10:55:23 one more question! Dec 24 10:55:25 @hrw: Dec 24 10:55:26 in the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#What.27s_the_goal.3F, there is a section called "Setting up a Local Overlay" and in that section there is a command "cp build/conf/site.conf local/conf/site.conf" . Above that command you find open moko tree Dec 24 10:55:43 Does it have Ruby? Dec 24 10:56:23 sreekanth: this was installed here by MokoMakefile Dec 24 10:56:57 BLAAAAAHHH: OE has ruby, so yes you can get it Dec 24 10:57:47 OE? Dec 24 10:58:14 there is the openmoko tree under /home/moko Dec 24 10:58:25 and my local directory elsewhere Dec 24 10:58:31 @zlinux: i followed manual setup instead of using mokomake file for setting up the environment .. so how can i create a local over lay ? i could find any site.conf file in the moko base directory Dec 24 10:58:46 BLAAAAAHHH: OpenMoko software is build using the OpenEmbedded build system Dec 24 10:59:06 @zlinux : i could nt find any site.conf file in the moko base directory Dec 24 10:59:47 oh Dec 24 10:59:51 okay Dec 24 10:59:56 bye :) Dec 24 11:00:00 kthxbai Dec 24 11:00:26 @zlinux, ignore my previous question Dec 24 11:00:38 ok :-) Dec 24 11:01:05 @zlinux: when i run make setup, i am not getting any output as such Dec 24 11:01:14 in the sense there is no progress Dec 24 11:01:39 i got some thing like ( svn co -r HEAD \ Dec 24 11:01:40 http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8 bitbake ) Dec 24 11:01:47 after that there is no progress Dec 24 11:02:30 @zilux: generally how much time will it take to complete the make setup instruction ? Dec 24 11:03:13 once the openmoko tree is instaleld, I just run bitbake Dec 24 11:03:24 on the interesting package Dec 24 11:05:53 any idea what the make setup command will do ? Dec 24 11:07:44 edit the Makefile? Dec 24 11:09:16 I am not able to succeed when running the "make setup" command for setting up the open moko environment using mokomake Dec 24 11:17:27 could anyone with a GTA02 please comment whether the _terrible_ charging situation of GTA01 has been fixed? Dec 24 11:19:44 i hardly have my neo unplugged from usb but i have used it for a couple of hours unplugged Dec 24 11:20:46 CoreDump: most of devels use gta02 without battery Dec 24 11:20:53 eww Dec 24 11:21:04 CoreDump: gta02 runs quite good with only usb cable attached Dec 24 11:21:34 which means that the charging hard+software hasn't been tested very well =) Dec 24 11:22:08 CoreDump: I do not think that gta02 will make great phone anyway ;D Dec 24 11:22:42 true, but WIFI and the accelerators would make a neat toy indeed Dec 24 11:25:01 * SpeedEvil wants accelerators. Dec 24 11:25:09 Hovering neo ++ Dec 24 11:25:40 Though I am making a UAV, and have considered - for a short time - using the neo for GNC Dec 24 11:26:08 What I'd really like would be a neo with no, or a broken screen. Dec 24 11:27:44 * zedstar wants a keyboard Dec 24 11:27:56 For my app, I do't need a keyboard. Dec 24 11:27:58 * CoreDump hands zedstar a BT keyboard Dec 24 11:28:04 as birds can't type. Dec 24 11:28:09 nooooo BT keyboard!!!! Dec 24 11:30:10 a UAV? unmanned assault vehicle? :) Dec 24 11:30:45 No. Dec 24 11:31:45 For mapping. Dec 24 11:32:44 I want htc touch dual or htc tytn II formfactor device Dec 24 11:32:53 ah i thought u were gonna attached a neo to a homemade missile for a moment and use gps navigation :) Dec 24 11:33:34 lol :D Dec 24 11:33:42 Not a missile. Simply a 1Kg helicopter. Dec 24 11:34:04 Well - helicopter-esque thing optimised to climb to 1Km, and then descend vertically. Dec 24 11:34:28 and will use gps? Dec 24 11:34:38 I'd really like it not to. Dec 24 11:34:43 GPS is expensive. Dec 24 11:34:52 But I don't think I can practically avoid it. Dec 24 11:35:19 expensive as in battery or just cost of the unit? Dec 24 11:36:22 hrw: amusing I have both those devices within 1m of me Dec 24 11:36:32 wonder how possible it would be to make a homemade gps navigated doodle bug type rocket Dec 24 11:36:47 hrw: actually, Ive got the touch, nicer than the dual Dec 24 11:37:26 Expensive in terms of price. $70 or so for the antenna + module + ... and double that to get my margin Dec 24 11:39:50 what would the helicopter do....take images or something? Dec 24 11:40:35 i saw some kind of device that could do that.....great for pissing the neighbours off Dec 24 11:41:00 zedstar, and get arrested by the cops :D at the end .... :D Dec 24 11:41:32 zedstar: basically, fly up to around 1Km. Dec 24 11:41:41 Take one or several 10MP images. Dec 24 11:41:47 Fly straight back down. Dec 24 11:41:49 i doubt taking pics would be illegal Dec 24 11:42:02 sounds cool speedevil Dec 24 11:42:26 Oddly, in the UK, it seems that I require _huge_ amounts of approvals to do 'ariel work' if my vehicle is over 7Kg. Dec 24 11:42:43 But there are almost no regulations at all if it's under 7. Dec 24 11:43:36 they probably figure anything under 7kg will get eaten quite easilly by jet engines :-) Dec 24 11:44:50 if u could program the device to go on little trips that would be really cool Dec 24 11:45:40 Initially I'm just doing a simple vertical up and down. Dec 24 11:45:51 what's ariel work? Dec 24 11:46:17 basically any work done by stuff in the air Dec 24 11:46:24 (as defined by the CAA) Dec 24 11:47:10 can this material be sold to companies? insurance etc for documenting stuff Dec 24 11:47:18 I guess the word is shortened from aerial work? Dec 24 11:48:03 * SpeedEvil can't spell. Dec 24 11:48:26 zedstar: sure. I'm probably going to be concentrating on selling the things though. Dec 24 11:49:14 sounds a good project to me Dec 24 11:51:13 how long could a device potentially stay in the air? Dec 24 11:52:17 4-6 mins or so. Dec 24 11:52:26 it's very much optimised for dast climb. Dec 24 11:52:40 fast Dec 24 11:54:56 the gps to add data to the images? Dec 24 11:57:54 Partially, but mainly to land on the takeoff spot. Dec 24 11:59:59 i think there is a market for this kind of stuff......i used to have water/pressure powered rockets as a kid they were fun....this is more hi-tech! Dec 24 12:01:38 XorA: ;) Dec 24 12:01:43 Yeah - It's looking unfortunately like 200 quid without camera though. Dec 24 12:01:52 XorA: I played with touch dual and like tytn II factor Dec 24 12:04:10 hrw: the tytn II is awesome, if only windows mobile had accellerated gfx for it Dec 24 12:04:44 XorA: and vga screen ;) Dec 24 12:05:10 yeh keeping the costs down gonna be crucial Dec 24 12:05:48 hrw: they are working on booting linux on the Kaiser Dec 24 12:05:55 hrw: so hope for Kaiser OpenMoko :-) Dec 24 12:06:12 Not so much - the hard part is the reliability. I want it to be able to do 1000+ missions with only battery replace. Dec 24 12:06:16 XorA: openmoko is not ready for qvga Dec 24 12:06:34 hrw: cheap hardware that can run it well will change that Dec 24 12:06:42 It's not ready for VGA yet :) Dec 24 12:07:36 SpeedEvil: to short it: it is not ready at all Dec 24 12:07:46 and at least on HTC machines you get a stylus :-) Dec 24 12:07:46 It's getting better. Dec 24 12:18:15 anybody else actually in work today and not doing anything? :) Dec 24 12:34:31 work? today? Dec 24 12:43:38 "Believe me, if bribing the red-clothed jolly man would help speed up development, we would have sent Sean to the north pole already!" Dec 24 12:43:39 LOL Dec 24 12:44:46 heh Dec 24 12:44:59 actually, yes, i'm working Dec 24 12:45:17 until 16:30 Dec 24 12:45:27 (3 hours to go) Dec 24 12:47:34 I hate accumulating E-mails and browser tabs Dec 24 12:47:53 and RSS Feeds too Dec 24 12:48:06 * SpeedEvil passes CVirus a 'randomly close a tab when you're away from the computer' extension. Dec 24 12:48:29 LOL Dec 24 13:01:35 well all this hard work has made me thirsty so time for the pub ;) Dec 24 13:02:52 oh, gta02 didn't make it on the wired-vaporware-list 2007 :) Dec 24 13:15:36 any idea how enable fast charge with dumb charger when system is running? Dec 24 13:17:48 echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode Dec 24 13:23:00 * * OM Bug 1147 has been created by roman.moravcik(AT)gmail.com Dec 24 13:23:01 * * Delete contact button doesn't work in some cases Dec 24 13:23:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1147 Dec 24 13:26:33 mjr: thx Dec 24 14:18:35 mickeyl: thx for wishes Dec 24 14:18:44 :) Dec 24 14:18:54 mickeyl: merry christmas to you and Sabine (from all of us here) Dec 24 14:19:21 thanks a lot! Greetings from Sabine as well Dec 24 14:20:47 openmoko: 03werner * r3729 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Dec 24 14:20:47 openmoko: - envedit.pl: added CPP-style conditionals (#ifdef, #ifndef, #else, #endif) Dec 24 14:20:47 openmoko: - envedit.pl: added option -D var[=value] to add variables for use during Dec 24 14:20:47 openmoko: preprocessing Dec 24 14:20:48 openmoko: - envedit.pl: added CPP-style macro expansion (MACRO and MACRO##TOKEN) Dec 24 14:20:50 openmoko: - tests/: regression tests for new envedit.pl features Dec 24 14:22:48 hi all Dec 24 14:23:42 can anybody tell me how much time will it take to execute "make setup" command for mokomake file ? Dec 24 14:25:49 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2355/2086153791_937bfd05da_o.jpg Dec 24 14:27:25 can anybody tell me how much time will it take to execute "make setup" command for mokomake file ? Dec 24 14:27:42 depends Dec 24 14:27:50 how fast's your net? Dec 24 14:27:50 mokomakefile is not working for me Dec 24 14:27:57 the make setup stage is largely net-limited Dec 24 14:28:03 4h? Dec 24 14:28:04 oh .. Dec 24 14:28:05 I forget Dec 24 14:28:12 what is 4h ? Dec 24 14:28:18 4 hours Dec 24 14:28:23 oh ... Dec 24 14:28:42 My full build took 36h Dec 24 14:28:53 36 hours ?? Dec 24 14:28:57 =-O Dec 24 14:29:06 AMD XPM2500, 768M RAM, 512/256 net Dec 24 14:29:18 omg Dec 24 14:29:23 Yes. It's building basically an entire distribution Dec 24 14:29:25 is there any other alternative ? Dec 24 14:29:34 for what? Dec 24 14:29:42 mokomakefile Dec 24 14:29:44 or rateher - what are you trying to do Dec 24 14:30:01 i want to develop an application for openmoko Dec 24 14:30:39 It takes minutes to rebuild if only one item has changed though Dec 24 14:31:19 rebuild what ? Dec 24 14:31:36 make openmoko-devel-image - make a new image - if something minor has changed Dec 24 14:32:34 can i execute that command ? Dec 24 14:32:42 instead of make setup ?? Dec 24 14:32:52 no - you need to make setup first Dec 24 14:33:02 oh.. Dec 24 14:33:02 it's got to download a hundred meg or so archive Dec 24 14:33:11 oh .. Dec 24 14:33:28 any iddea how to turn off automatic kernel reflashing when ipkg upgrading kernel? Dec 24 14:33:37 oh - it's not that big, it's 200. Dec 24 14:33:40 actually there is a manual process also for doing this one rite ? Dec 24 14:35:05 i have system on sd card to avoid nand destruction Dec 24 14:36:05 does mokomakefile does the following check out ? "svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/" Dec 24 14:36:13 yes Dec 24 14:36:20 oh .. Dec 24 14:36:53 Ideally, you download mokomakefile (with the prerequisite software installed) and then simply type make setup Dec 24 14:36:58 then make openmoko-devel-image Dec 24 14:37:07 and a few hours later, you have a built image Dec 24 14:37:19 with all the crosscompilers and libraries, and ... built Dec 24 14:37:24 oh ok .. Dec 24 14:38:20 Do i need to configure the "build,lab,card" roles even if i use the mokomakefile ? Dec 24 14:39:00 I diddn't, and it worked Dec 24 14:39:39 oh Dec 24 14:40:54 ssl works on openmoko-browser2? Dec 24 14:41:51 one more clarification: the process covered in the page "http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#What.27s_the_goal.3F" is the manual process and all those tasks can be automated using MokoMakeFile .. Am i correct ? Dec 24 14:42:37 sreekanth: You are Dec 24 14:42:49 Basically you just need one command with the makefile to build everything Dec 24 14:42:57 Two Dec 24 14:43:09 (or does make openmoko-devel-image do make setup?) Dec 24 14:43:10 Ok ... Dec 24 14:43:19 No, true. You need a make setup Dec 24 14:43:26 And every now and then a make update to get the latest changes Dec 24 14:43:30 Ok .. Dec 24 14:43:40 But (if it works) it makes it stupidly easy to get teh compilers and everything seutp Dec 24 14:43:41 ok .. Dec 24 14:44:10 but is there any alternative to fasten up the process of mokomake's make setup ? Dec 24 14:44:46 i am getting the following when i execute make setup [ ! -e stamps/bitbake ] || \ Dec 24 14:44:47 ( grep -e 'tags/bitbake-1.8.8' bitbake/.svn/entries > /dev/null ) || \ Dec 24 14:44:47 ( rm -rf bitbake stamps/bitbake patches stamps/patches ) Dec 24 14:44:47 [ -e stamps/patches ] || \ Dec 24 14:44:47 ( svn co http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/patches patches ) Dec 24 14:44:47 A patches/bitbake-HEAD Dec 24 14:44:48 A patches/openmoko-HEAD Dec 24 14:44:50 A patches/openembedded-HEAD Dec 24 14:44:52 Checked out revision 173. Dec 24 14:44:54 [ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps Dec 24 14:44:56 touch stamps/patches Dec 24 14:44:58 [ -e stamps/bitbake ] || \ Dec 24 14:45:00 ( svn co -r HEAD \ Dec 24 14:45:02 http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8 bitbake ) Dec 24 14:45:04 and after that there is no progress Dec 24 14:45:47 does it indicate any erroneous condition ?? Dec 24 14:47:53 @SpeedEvil, CM : can u answer my doubt if you dont mind ?? Dec 24 14:48:53 is there net or file activity Dec 24 14:49:08 how do i check that ? Dec 24 14:49:33 find . -cmin -1 in the build dir - will tell you if any file has been written in the last minute Dec 24 14:49:55 ok Dec 24 14:50:37 i did n get any output for that command Dec 24 14:50:47 so i guess there is no file activity Dec 24 14:51:09 I'd try ctrl-c, then run the command again Dec 24 14:51:16 i downloaded the make file using wget as mentioned in wiki Dec 24 14:51:22 ok . Dec 24 14:51:48 process is not getting terminated when i press ctrl + c Dec 24 14:52:10 actaully i am using fedora 8 on AMD Turion 64 bit processor Dec 24 14:52:49 sorry - busy preparing xmas ATM. Dec 24 14:52:51 does this architecture requires any special settings for mokomake? Dec 24 14:53:00 oh .. Dec 24 14:53:31 the above one would be my last question ... Dec 24 14:53:34 :) Dec 24 14:59:40 is there any separate MokoMakeFile exists for AMD 64 architecture ? Dec 24 15:00:31 hi all Dec 24 15:00:38 sreekanth: edit your build/local.conf Dec 24 15:01:04 sreekanth: na, both are same Dec 24 15:01:25 hallo Dec 24 15:01:35 oh ok .. Dec 24 15:02:29 but make setup of MokoMake is not working for me Dec 24 15:03:12 i stopped make setup in the middle and when i tried "find . -cmin -1", i got no output indicating that there is no file creation activity Dec 24 15:03:44 so i thought that the problem is because of the AMD 64 architecture Dec 24 15:04:11 so what could be the reason for that ? Any hints ?? Dec 24 15:32:16 what is OpenEmbedded ? Dec 24 15:32:40 Do I need to install OpenEmbedded for running MokoMakeFile ? Dec 24 15:45:49 have a nice x-mas Dec 24 19:06:20 Great Youtube Video, this guy should run for president himself!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAqZUafCdM Dec 24 19:08:51 * gw280 wonders how this is relevant Dec 24 19:10:04 hmm its not Dec 24 19:10:08 i agree Dec 24 19:10:11 * gw280 beats Politics101 to death Dec 24 19:10:18 spambot? Dec 24 19:10:29 ? Dec 24 19:10:38 think soo Dec 24 19:10:43 * tsuramoto holds Politics101, while gw280 beats Politics101 Dec 24 19:10:53 Politics101: is a bot Dec 24 19:10:55 what spam boot? Dec 24 19:11:34 it's a bot that spams Dec 24 19:11:49 no, gw280 and me killed it Dec 24 19:12:00 heh Dec 24 19:12:11 i will trye contact with ircops Dec 24 19:22:20 Great Youtube Video, this guy should run for president himself!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAqZUafCdM Dec 24 19:22:30 just a question is the arquitecture (hardware) open too? Dec 24 19:22:41 yes traza Dec 24 19:22:44 what kind of license is it? Dec 24 19:22:50 dunno Dec 24 19:23:07 I mena software (clear).. but uh.. dunno.. (looking.. ) Dec 24 19:23:17 okok who resurrected Politics101? Dec 24 19:25:37 The hardware (Neo) is proprietary in the sense that there are no schematics available. Documentation for most of the components, however, is available. Some selected parts do not have public docs, and the community will have to rely on drivers written by those who have signed the appropriate legal NDA docs. Dec 24 19:29:38 well, partly good open source drivers are a better documentation than the official docs Dec 24 19:35:05 iffy, but for some stuff, that's all we're gonna have anyway Dec 24 19:40:14 merry xmas everyone Dec 24 19:41:17 xmas is overated Dec 24 19:41:25 BAH HUMBUG Dec 24 19:41:47 BUG? PATCH IT Dec 24 19:42:11 but its xmas day so i am allowed to say it.... if i had said it in october when most stores here start the christmas decoration thing then it would be wrong Dec 24 19:42:46 in october? holy cow Dec 24 19:44:01 indeed Dec 24 19:57:00 But is it possible to "control" some hardware device from software ? (example some nokia dont let work with infra-red)... Dec 24 19:59:39 thx, for topic info :) Dec 24 20:24:20 Happy Xmas Dec 24 20:29:30 traza: you can control anything that has drivers that let you control stuff Dec 24 20:30:23 zash, :s... that sounds like phreaking time is back... Dec 24 21:30:35 hm, http://www.i4u.com/article13643.html Dec 24 21:36:15 The optical touch sensor array supports up to 5 points. Dec 24 21:36:18 sounds nice Dec 24 21:42:50 ugh, sony Dec 24 21:46:19 anyone know what the difference between the two heads of the org.openembedded.dev branch on the monotone.openmoko.org server? Dec 24 21:46:58 moko-bunny: run "mtn diff -r -r " to find out Dec 24 21:47:03 hmmm...there should be an 'is' in there. Dec 24 21:48:06 okay...cool. mokomakefile hadn't been compiling anything new for about 2 weeks, so I looked carefully at warning messages and it has a complaint about 2 heads, so I manually spec'd the newer head in the makefile. haven't had time to test it yet. Dec 24 22:01:01 cool....apparently someone merged the heads. We'll see how it builds now :) back to work for me! Dec 24 22:45:46 ave **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 24 22:50:23 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 24 22:52:14 2007 Dec 24 22:53:28 Anyone here working on Qtopia code running on the Neo? Dec 24 23:00:56 * NineX|Moko not ;P Dec 24 23:06:18 Feliz Yule para todos / Merry Yule for all Dec 24 23:28:17 Merry Christmas! :) Dec 24 23:33:20 no christmas till I get my Neo1973 Dec 24 23:39:09 * mjr waiting for XO instead Dec 24 23:42:35 * balrog-kun is waiting for affordable space travel Dec 24 23:43:14 * mjr thinks he and CVirus have less waiting to look forward to Dec 24 23:43:46 * balrog-kun applauds the optimism :) Dec 24 23:43:55 what is XO ? Dec 24 23:44:32 OLPC ? Dec 24 23:45:52 yes Dec 24 23:47:05 is this thing worth taking a look at ? Dec 24 23:52:54 depends what you're looking for Dec 24 23:53:26 * ewon is stuck in LAX for christmas \o/ Dec 24 23:54:04 I want my Neo1973 Dec 24 23:54:46 ewon: the airport ? Dec 24 23:54:57 due weather? Dec 24 23:55:31 CVirus: yes. Dec 24 23:55:34 no, the plane broke. Dec 24 23:55:56 omg Dec 24 23:56:00 good luck buddy Dec 24 23:56:06 thanks :) Dec 24 23:56:49 ewon: eek Dec 24 23:57:04 ewon: I hope it is better than my 37hours at MXP Dec 24 23:57:43 crikey Dec 24 23:59:44 I'd recommend not doing that :) Dec 25 00:00:05 broke in-flight or before? Dec 25 00:02:44 before Dec 25 00:04:02 get compansation :) Dec 25 00:04:27 I intend to Dec 25 00:04:28 oh that's less fun Dec 25 00:04:42 I wish you all the best ewon Dec 25 00:04:44 :) Dec 25 00:05:45 thanks :) Dec 25 00:23:32 openmoko: 03andrew * r3730 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (46 files in 8 dirs): Merge cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/qemu. Dec 25 00:39:54 balrog-kun: you jabber swrver is down? ; Dec 25 00:40:00 your* Dec 25 00:40:27 univac: seems to work ok Dec 25 00:40:56 now ... :) Dec 25 01:08:57 * Linux_Galore wonders about people who travel in the USA by plane smack in the middle of winter Dec 25 01:10:29 Linux_Galore: to be fair, it's only the start of winter Dec 25 01:13:14 start of summer Dec 25 01:13:16 :) Dec 25 01:13:29 and gosh its hot today Dec 25 01:14:56 * balrog-kun envies Dec 25 01:17:37 too bad theres a sprinkler ban :( Dec 25 01:49:59 ewon: how is it going on your side ? Dec 25 01:51:33 my 10 dollars say he is hitting on a stewardess Dec 25 01:51:52 says* Dec 25 01:52:02 ]' Dec 25 01:52:03 or is say correct? Dec 25 01:54:23 says is better according to google :) Dec 25 02:03:43 thanks Dec 25 02:03:48 in google we trust :( Dec 25 02:36:17 hey, I just spotted the neo in Popular Science January 08 Dec 25 02:36:48 the article says the consumer model will be available in september Dec 25 02:37:50 hachi: we'll see. There are many things to slow it down or speed it up Dec 25 02:38:03 topic in here says march Dec 25 02:38:08 mainly slow it down :) Dec 25 02:38:18 so, there's a disconnect between what people are saying, and what people are sayting Dec 25 02:38:37 thomasg_: well someone can get drunk and just release it too early :) Dec 25 02:38:46 people are saying things all the time. fact is: nobody really knows. Dec 25 02:39:28 people who are drunk always tell the truth Dec 25 02:39:32 Mononoke: you mean I should visit mickey next week and take a barrel of beer with me? :P Dec 25 02:39:41 yes please Dec 25 02:40:29 thomasg_: something like that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 25 02:59:56 2007