**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 25 02:59:56 2007 Dec 25 04:49:27 Hellow Dec 25 04:49:41 Will the GTA02 be more expensive than the 01? Dec 25 04:49:53 yes Dec 25 04:49:57 how much? Dec 25 04:50:16 see wiki Dec 25 04:51:20 When ran make setup nothing is happening other than svn co -r HEAD http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8 bitbake Dec 25 04:52:01 Okay, sweet. Dec 25 05:05:26 Can anybody help me?? Dec 25 05:09:17 Anybody there? Dec 25 05:13:00 wolog_ : merry Christmas Dec 25 05:19:15 Is it possible to get verbose output when running make setup? Dec 25 08:42:34 good morning Dec 25 08:57:34 Merry Christmas!!! Dec 25 09:21:06 Merry Yule (as another one inside here chose to call it)! Dec 25 09:22:11 hehe Dec 25 09:22:33 its almost over here, another 1.5 hours to go Dec 25 10:25:32 hi Dec 25 11:09:27 hey there, anyone dare to update to the current bleeding edge svn and rebuild external toolchain..am getting the error that "the external toolchain could not be found in /usr/local/openmoko/arm' Dec 25 11:22:48 oops..forgot, its christmas eve Dec 25 11:30:15 Not here. Dec 25 11:30:20 * SpeedEvil passes Sup3rkid` a mince pie. Dec 25 11:30:40 nom nom nom nom Dec 25 11:30:52 2 hours left of Christmas here. Dec 25 11:30:54 With real elephant mince! Dec 25 11:32:07 so, anyone's tree getting barfed at external-toolchain?..it builds fine but do_stage bails out Dec 25 11:40:18 * SpeedEvil tries a build. Dec 25 11:41:01 (rebuild) Dec 25 11:53:17 touch stamps/openmoko-devel-image Dec 25 11:53:20 works for me Dec 25 11:53:29 (make update and make devel-image Dec 25 11:55:40 hi Dec 25 12:20:52 shouldnt the new open moko be out at this time Dec 25 12:21:09 oh never mind Dec 25 13:01:12 CM: ping pong Dec 25 13:31:56 i need a openmoko phone for chrismas ! Dec 25 13:34:23 nacer: it's a bit late for that, don't you think ? Dec 25 13:35:40 Hi all. Dec 25 13:36:09 polz, yup perhaps for new year Dec 25 13:36:14 hello. Dec 25 13:36:22 :) Dec 25 13:38:35 I'm trying to build image on laptop under ubuntu 7.04 and i have some problems: http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=d4528133f Dec 25 13:40:51 Merry Christmas to all ;) Dec 25 13:54:05 nacer: i too :> Dec 25 13:54:18 nacer: christmas 2008 :> Dec 25 13:55:24 polz: we are very early for this present :> Dec 25 13:56:46 PBeck: I didn't know gta01 was sold out again Dec 25 13:57:26 polz: gta02 for christmas 2008 ;) Dec 25 14:00:22 now you're just being greedy :) Dec 25 14:05:10 http://www.hotgirlclub.net.ms check out hot girl movies Dec 25 14:05:50 * tsuramoto shoots hotgklub Dec 25 14:06:05 HEADSHOT Dec 25 14:20:54 could someone help me build qemu image? Dec 25 14:33:28 Hello Everybody Dec 25 14:33:37 Happy Christmas Dec 25 14:34:16 btw is it possible to get verbose output in make setup? Dec 25 14:37:13 openmoko: 03laforge * r3731 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/pcf50633.patch: fix pcf50633_gpio_{get,set}: use correct register (Sean Chiang) Dec 25 14:38:43 openmoko: 03laforge * r3732 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/pcf50633.patch: Fix pcf50633_gpio_{get,set} to use correct register (Sean Chiang) Dec 25 14:42:15 is it possible to get verbose output in make setup? Dec 25 17:42:20 can anybody point me to a place where i can change fonts in openmoko? Dec 25 17:42:37 i mean, on the file system Dec 25 17:42:52 i am using openmoko on a780 Dec 25 18:11:35 kamathl1: find /usr/share -name "*.ttf" Dec 25 18:30:37 zilux: thx Dec 25 18:32:22 zilux: I found a better hack /etc/matchbox/session Dec 25 19:30:58 I wonder what technologies and so could openmoko use to help disabled people ? what are the commercial mobile solutions for disabled people atm? Dec 25 19:31:16 speech, buttons Dec 25 19:31:28 (for the blind and partially sighted) Dec 25 19:31:38 take a look at rockbox, the free (and not linux based) DAP-firmware Dec 25 19:31:59 they have some techniques for disabled people Dec 25 20:13:40 SpeedEvil: we could always port the tts engine middleware from gnome to the moko, it uses cepstral on the backend :) Dec 25 20:26:33 CM: do you have bluetooth working on any of your current images ? Dec 25 20:26:47 I get bnep0 no such interface Dec 25 20:27:13 even tough power_on or off works Dec 25 20:53:25 Have any of you looked into the Access Linux Platform? Dec 25 20:53:33 http://www.access-company.com/products/linux/alp.html has some info. Dec 25 20:53:45 It seems to be a moderately mature commercial but LGPL-licensed phone software stack. Dec 25 22:31:37 openmoko: 03laforge * r3733 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (4 files): Dec 25 22:31:37 openmoko: remove CONFIG_MTD_NAND_S3C2410_BBT and turn it into a platform_data flag as Dec 25 22:31:37 openmoko: requested by Ben Dooks. Dec 25 22:32:40 openmoko: 03laforge * r3734 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: fix GSM power switching on GTA02 (Sean Chiang) Dec 25 23:34:00 spam on the mailing list ! Dec 26 00:00:26 hi Dec 26 00:21:33 I have gps working but no matter what I do I cannot get a fix (A3). With a bluetooth gps beside my moko I can get a fix every time. Dec 26 00:21:59 Debugging suggestions? Dec 26 00:22:34 Are you outdoors? Dec 26 00:23:07 put it outdoors for 5 min, where it hasa a good view of the sky Dec 26 00:27:34 i cant get a fix on the neo no matter what I do. my n810 works great Dec 26 00:28:02 ljp: tried outdoors? Dec 26 00:28:07 yes Dec 26 00:28:11 :/ Dec 26 00:28:40 n810 works like a charm Dec 26 00:29:00 Is yours a production (paid) unit? Dec 26 00:29:12 I have aa IOGear gps and I can just put it by the window. It locks without any problems Dec 26 00:29:14 neo? yes Dec 26 00:29:38 i have even tried an external antennae Dec 26 00:29:38 jeremym: some GPSs are rather better at locking than the neo in weak signal conditions. Dec 26 00:30:16 external antennae? Can msg me a link. Dec 26 00:30:24 I was thinking I may need one. Dec 26 00:30:37 not sure where we got it. i just know one showed up on my desk :) Dec 26 00:30:55 What kind of connector do I need. Dec 26 00:31:08 ljp: I'd suggest poking one of the devs. Dec 26 00:31:34 Also - take it apart, and check that the grey antenna wire is not pinched Dec 26 00:31:41 someone said to take it apart and check the leads Dec 26 00:31:52 possibly me. Dec 26 00:31:52 I have maemo-mapper hacked enough to come up. Though I can't get a location lock. Now that bluetooth is working on my neo I can continue developement. Dec 26 00:32:00 :/ Dec 26 01:21:08 what kind of connector is the external antenna? Dec 26 01:21:15 for the gps that is. Dec 26 01:21:18 the one on the side Dec 26 01:21:21 dunno the name Dec 26 01:22:00 I would like to buy an external antenna but need to know the name. Dec 26 01:22:18 Is there a way to make the GPS run at higher power? Dec 26 01:25:30 no, there isn't. Dec 26 01:25:32 gps is passive. Dec 26 01:26:00 yes there is. An antenna with gain. Dec 26 01:26:17 Determining where to point it is interesting of course :) Dec 26 01:26:26 however. Dec 26 01:26:34 Active antennas are widely available. Dec 26 01:26:47 The problem is that you have no real reason to suppose that it'll help. Dec 26 01:26:54 well, a antenna doesn't make the gps run at higher power :) Dec 26 01:27:07 Diddn't help ljp for example. Dec 26 01:27:17 but you're right of course Dec 26 01:27:40 but I've never seen an active antenna Dec 26 01:27:56 they are common Dec 26 01:28:22 if I knew the connector type for this thing, or are they standard. Dec 26 01:28:24 ? Dec 26 01:28:36 so it's an antenna plus amplifier, SpeedEvil? Dec 26 01:28:43 thomasg: basically. Dec 26 01:28:56 jeremym: the neo uses a standard-connector Dec 26 01:29:00 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GPS-Active-Antenna-for-Mio-168-268-269-C510-C710_W0QQitemZ150196580507QQihZ005QQcategoryZ139836QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Dec 26 01:29:06 first of a few dozen hits Dec 26 01:29:16 jeremym: it's called MMCX Dec 26 01:29:28 I was looking at these: http://www.wi-sys.com/products/antennas/gps_antenna.php Dec 26 01:29:48 SpeedEvil: so where's the active part of this antenna? Dec 26 01:30:05 I don't see a powerconnector, only the mmcx-connector Dec 26 01:30:25 or do they call antennas with a gain "active"? Dec 26 01:30:29 there is a bias voltage applied to the connectors. Dec 26 01:30:32 neat. i can charge my neo w. my htc charger :> Dec 26 01:30:35 there is a bias voltage applied to the connector. Dec 26 01:30:44 and it powers the amp Dec 26 01:31:03 ok. the neo supports this bias? Dec 26 01:31:26 I don't know if the neo needs software to enable the external antenna. roh? Dec 26 01:33:11 no, that's not what I meant. the bias-t normally works with a defined DC voltage which must be available on the mmcx-connector - I do not really know how this works for gps-devices, is this standard? Dec 26 01:33:33 I think there is a sort-of-standard at 3-5V Dec 26 01:33:46 I haven't really looked into it. Dec 26 01:34:18 as the gps is only a reciever and works passive I assumed that there wasn't any active power for antenna connectors, but I might be wrong. Dec 26 01:36:25 I tossed my neo out on the street in the hope that it the GPS will lock and that it wont rain or snow ;-) Dec 26 01:38:54 SpeedEvil: ok, I found a description for an active antenna which includes a 3.3V DC powered amplifier that is powered over the mmcx-port. Dec 26 01:39:16 every day new things to learn :) Dec 26 02:41:34 is there a known way to revive a "locked" neo w/o disconnecting the battery? Dec 26 02:42:28 locked? Dec 26 02:42:37 the powermanagement-feature Dec 26 02:43:28 doesn't the power button work? Dec 26 02:43:34 not for me, no Dec 26 02:43:43 if you hold it for 8 seconds? Dec 26 02:44:12 ..6..7..8... no :) Dec 26 02:44:55 it answers icmp ping but I cannot connect over ssh Dec 26 02:47:48 thomasg, i have to take out the battery Dec 26 02:48:03 daMaestro: same for me, hoped there would be another way Dec 26 02:48:12 thomasg, let me know if so Dec 26 02:48:16 I will Dec 26 02:48:24 i just stopped using lock because i figured it was just a software bug Dec 26 02:48:56 ya, but I wanted to try it again after some weeks and some updates. still doesn't work :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 26 02:59:56 2007