**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 26 02:59:56 2007 Dec 26 04:29:33 anyone got a picture of GTA02 ? Dec 26 04:32:09 afaik, it looks like GTA01 Dec 26 04:41:12 Hi all Dec 26 04:41:53 when i run make setup of the mokomake file, i am the following line Dec 26 04:42:01 Fetching external item into 'openmoko/tags/repository-before-first-cleanup-2007-12-12/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/libkoto' Dec 26 04:42:12 after that there is no network or disk activity Dec 26 04:42:28 what could be the reason ? Dec 26 04:45:17 Hello Everybody Dec 26 04:45:29 Is there an alternative svn mirror? Dec 26 04:47:13 can any one reply for my question ? Dec 26 04:48:04 Hi sreekanth what is your question ? Dec 26 04:50:26 Atul_: sreekanth's problem is, he is not able to checkout openmoko svn tree completely when he followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch Dec 26 04:51:48 Atul_: Both me and sreekanth are try to setup a development environment, Dec 26 04:52:22 raddy what you people are trying for Dec 26 04:52:38 means you want to setup an moko environment Dec 26 04:53:34 raddy, why you try for 2007.1 build try for 2007.2 build it is most recent and stable Dec 26 04:54:08 raddy, try this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 Dec 26 04:54:14 raddy, it works fine Dec 26 04:55:23 raddy, better try using make file method it is bit easy Dec 26 04:55:31 raddy, use this link for it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Building_OpenMoko_with_MokoMakefile Dec 26 04:55:49 Atul : ohh, is it possible to get verbose output from make setup? Dec 26 04:57:10 raddy, verbose output means i dont have any idea Dec 26 04:58:34 Atul_: : when i ran make setup, i am not getting any output other than some svn blah blah Dec 26 04:59:05 I cant find any mp3 player ? projects.openmoko.org Dec 26 05:01:42 raddy make setup download all set variable embedded related stuff for you is it work or falis Dec 26 05:02:30 Atul_: i am just getting this output, Dec 26 05:02:30 ( svn co -r HEAD \ Dec 26 05:02:30 http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8 bitbake ) Dec 26 05:02:53 Atul_: then there is no network or disk activity Dec 26 05:03:02 raddy, yes it take couplle of hour Dec 26 05:03:07 so yuou have to wait Dec 26 05:04:22 Atul_: Ohh, it possible to sense any activity? Dec 26 05:05:19 raddy, jsut wait let it will finish ok Dec 26 05:05:40 Atul_: :( Dec 26 05:10:23 raddy: your svn connection is hung Dec 26 05:10:39 if it was building, there would be much more output after that svn command Dec 26 05:11:31 if you run that svn command by hand does it complete? if not, then that's your problem. Fix that and then the rest will continue. Dec 26 05:12:36 0 projects in mp3, does openmoko support mp3 ? Dec 26 05:12:47 that sounds little odd to me that it should not Dec 26 05:21:14 in a way yes, through the mp3 players available from oe Dec 26 05:21:51 oe? Dec 26 05:23:36 i mean if you write "ipkg install mpg123" or similar, you get working mpg123 on openmoko Dec 26 05:23:56 same for madplay, gstreamer, xmms, mplayer, perhaps more Dec 26 05:37:47 oh thanks Dec 26 05:52:27 can i use make instead of make setup ? Dec 26 05:52:33 for mokomake file ?? Dec 26 05:56:53 sreekanth: If you type "make", it will attempt to build the "all" target, which is different than the "setup" target. Dec 26 05:57:27 So that includes make setup also rite ? Dec 26 05:57:51 Perhaps. Dec 26 05:57:59 Reading the Makefile will tell you. Dec 26 05:58:16 ok .. actually I am not able to use make setup Dec 26 05:58:33 Generally you do not wish to build "all", most people build only a specific item. Dec 26 05:58:47 thats why i thought of using make instead of make setup Dec 26 05:58:47 If you cannot do "make setup", then nothing else will work. Dec 26 05:58:52 oh Dec 26 05:59:06 You must get "make setup" to work first - that is a prerequisite. Dec 26 05:59:30 mwester: i am getting some thing like below Dec 26 05:59:31 bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o Dec 26 05:59:37 sorry wrong paste Dec 26 05:59:43 ( svn co -r HEAD \ Dec 26 05:59:44 http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8 bitbake ) Dec 26 05:59:53 when i execute make setup Dec 26 06:00:05 Right. It's downloading software from svn.berlios.de Dec 26 06:00:16 mwester: after that there is no file or network activity Dec 26 06:00:24 Then you need to fix that first. Dec 26 06:00:52 oh.. what could be the reason for that and can u tell me how to fix that ? Dec 26 06:01:42 It could be many reasons. Start by making sure that you can reach (i.e. "ping") svn.berlios.de, then issue the command manually and see what diagnostics it might print. Dec 26 06:02:18 mwester : Isn't there a verbose option? Dec 26 06:02:57 For svn? Perhaps, but start by making sure you can ping svn.berlios.de, and run svn manually. Dec 26 06:03:11 ok Dec 26 06:06:33 mwester: i am ping the server Dec 26 06:07:10 *able* Dec 26 06:07:40 Ok, then run the command manually. Just type: svn co -r HEAD http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8 bitbake Dec 26 06:08:57 ok .. Dec 26 06:14:30 mwester: svn co is not progressing again. Dec 26 06:17:32 mwester: does makefile has any dependency on Hardware/Software environment? I am using fedora 8 on AMD Turion 64 Dec 26 06:20:24 Yes, there are hardware and software requirements, they are documented on the wiki (somewhere). They should not affect svn, however. If it is not progressing, then there is probably something not right about your network connection. Check your firewall, perhaps. Dec 26 06:21:42 ok Dec 26 06:23:05 Do i need to disable the firewall ? Dec 26 06:25:33 You shouldn't have to; I don't. But something is preventing svn from working for you; you need to find out what that is and fix that before you can continue. Dec 26 06:26:23 ok Dec 26 07:38:24 Is there any alternative svn servers out there for openmoko? Dec 26 07:40:49 What connection is failing? Dec 26 07:41:37 mwester : problem seems in the client side :( Dec 26 07:41:57 If its the client, then why would an alternate svn server be of any use? Dec 26 07:42:24 mwester : sorry, my bad :( Dec 26 08:23:58 Sup Dec 26 09:10:08 wow Dec 26 09:10:16 sms support just improved a bunch, good work Dec 26 09:10:20 i can actually read messages now Dec 26 09:10:29 :) Dec 26 09:17:09 projects.openmoko.org: svn down? Dec 26 09:21:48 zilux, i am able to checkout code Dec 26 09:22:00 hmm is there a way to force feedreader to fetch updated feeds? Dec 26 09:23:12 mbuf: do you use svn+ssh? Dec 26 09:23:36 zilux, only when i want to checkout, modify and check-in code Dec 26 09:24:17 mbuf: thanks. It suddenly stopped to work here yesterday evening. Dec 26 09:25:10 zilux, which timezone are you in? Dec 26 09:25:23 Europe, Paris Dec 26 09:25:50 zilux, ok Dec 26 09:28:08 zilux, svn+ssh doesn't work Dec 26 09:29:22 mbuf: ok, relatively good news :-) Dec 26 09:31:44 mbuf: who is the contact? Dec 26 09:32:29 zilux, Michael Shiloh, I believe Dec 26 09:32:42 ok thanks. Dec 26 09:33:05 zilux, i think it is better to shoot an e-mail to openmoko-devel, so others are informed, as well Dec 26 09:33:32 I keep getting GSM error code 15 when I try to register on the network Dec 26 09:33:43 Sorry it's error 32 Dec 26 09:33:59 Well - yes - but that's _much_ less hastle than trying to unpot and repot in plastic though Dec 26 09:34:01 oops Dec 26 09:34:05 * mbuf wonders if any maintenance work is underway at projects.openmoko.org Dec 26 09:34:25 Is there any way to determine if it's a sim card compatibility issue or what it is? Dec 26 09:36:50 mbuf: ok, posted. Dec 26 09:38:18 zilux, thanks Dec 26 09:49:25 good morning Dec 26 09:50:08 Hopscotch, good morning Dec 26 10:58:55 <_ts> uptime Dec 26 11:14:00 are there any network settings needed for svn ? Dec 26 11:16:57 sreekanth, svn+ssh is temporarily not working, if that is what you are currently using Dec 26 11:24:16 hi! any kernel hackers around? Dec 26 11:24:33 I put debian on my sdhc flash and booted it with the kernel in flash Dec 26 11:24:44 everything perfect, can ssh in and everything Dec 26 11:24:54 but there ist no /dev/fb0 Dec 26 11:25:10 so how do I activate framebuffer in the openmoko kernel? Dec 26 11:25:30 since it works with the openmoko rootf it seems I'm missing something Dec 26 11:25:57 I tried copying /lib/modules/2.6.22.5-moko11/ from openmoko to debian but Dec 26 11:26:26 josch, enable it in "make menuconfig" ? can you post your kernel .config to pastebin.ca or rafb.net? Dec 26 11:26:27 aside from not complaining over a missing modules.dep anymore framebuffer still not works Dec 26 11:26:39 mbuf, it'ts the stock kernel Dec 26 11:27:02 this one: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/neo1973/ Dec 26 11:29:16 so since I have framebuffer in openmoko I though that there is nothing preventing its loading? Dec 26 11:32:11 josch, lsmod | grep fb ? or "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep fb" Dec 26 11:32:24 josch, on the target Neo Dec 26 11:32:42 josch, i haven't tried fb on the Neo though Dec 26 11:33:07 lsmod | grep fb returned nothing if executed in openmoko Dec 26 11:33:25 neither does the second command Dec 26 11:35:39 mbuf, framebuffer works flawless in openmoko - played a lot of videos with mplayer in it Dec 26 11:37:16 mbuf, do you know someone which might be able to help with this problem? Dec 26 11:38:50 josch, not sure; i am not sure which module it is for the Neo; Dec 26 11:40:04 so you suspect a module missing? Dec 26 11:40:47 I also thought of this so I copied the whole modules dir from openmoko to debian but without success Dec 26 11:46:35 hi Dec 26 11:54:11 um Dec 26 11:54:22 viagra adds in the mailinglist? :P Dec 26 11:55:43 ahven: ne sponsor :> Dec 26 11:55:46 *new Dec 26 11:55:56 seems so :) Dec 26 11:56:10 ^^ Dec 26 14:17:03 merry christmas! Dec 26 14:19:18 And to you too :) Dec 26 14:24:38 hello everyone merry christmas...is there any news for the fate of the current gsmd...especially the dbus based gsmd2 as the de facto for the neo...(discounting PhoneServer) Dec 26 15:01:16 openmoko: 03laforge * r3735 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: fix GTA02 gsm power switching (Sean Chiang) Dec 26 15:13:02 +1 to Sup3rkiddo's question :-) Dec 26 16:20:45 just the basics Dec 26 16:43:28 hi all...has svn at projects.openmoko.org been fixed yet Dec 26 16:45:54 Sup3rkiddo: does not work here Dec 26 16:46:53 zilux: hmmm...dang..thanks for checking Dec 26 16:52:59 hi Dec 26 16:53:34 hi Dec 26 18:20:07 Does anyone know what ipk provides the python cgi module? Dec 26 18:20:36 I don't see python_cgi*.ipk on any server I've checked Dec 26 18:28:45 hey all...the messages GUI doesnt have sms sending stuff yet..does it? Dec 26 18:51:18 wurp2: from a comment in a python bitbake Dec 26 18:51:21 python-simplejson_1.7.1.bb:7:# python-netserver is needed for cgi stuff Dec 26 18:51:54 zilux: Thanks much! Dec 26 18:52:29 Now I need to learn enough about how all the openmoko build stuff is put together so I can figure that stuff out myself :-) Dec 26 18:53:14 not very far from this state, here :-) Dec 26 18:54:37 Right now my main goal is to get pyroute working on my neo and reading the gllin output properly Dec 26 19:08:08 this thng looks cool! would be interesting to have penmoko running on it ! Dec 26 19:08:08 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3871478989.html Dec 26 19:08:45 It doesn't work as well as you think. Dec 26 19:08:49 The connectors kill you. Dec 26 19:08:56 And the multiple power supplies and cases. Dec 26 19:09:22 SpeedEvil: looks like u already tried it ? Dec 26 19:09:30 No, I've looked into it. Dec 26 19:09:40 SpeedEvil: ok Dec 26 19:09:40 The fundamental problem is that stuff is different sizes. Dec 26 19:09:55 SpeedEvil: like ? Dec 26 19:10:10 For example, if you put it on at build time, an accelerometer takes up 3*4mm of PCB space and costs maybe $2-3 Dec 26 19:10:35 If you've got to add it as a module on a generic bus, the connectors alone will cost that. Dec 26 19:10:43 oh! Dec 26 19:11:12 If you want to be able to put a camera on the expansion, then you need a comparatively fast bus with lots of wires. Dec 26 19:11:33 Which is fine pitch, and won't have lots of mating cycles before it fails. Dec 26 19:11:37 SpeedEvil: valid oint Dec 26 19:11:54 SpeedEvil: s/oint/point Dec 26 19:12:13 this means that the rest of the hardware has to be built to close tollerances to allow the connector to mate properly. And the camera now has to be static protected, it's not automatically done by being in circuit, ... Dec 26 19:12:24 SpeedEvil: any link to the actual manufacturer? Dec 26 19:12:26 It's a nice idea - but will not be cheaper. Dec 26 19:12:46 'A New York-based startup is readying' Dec 26 19:12:55 ok Dec 26 19:12:56 In other words, they haven't got any working yet Dec 26 19:13:05 ok Dec 26 19:13:08 and no prices or availability sorted. Dec 26 19:13:24 These sort of problems can be solved in volume. The problem is getting the volume is hard. Dec 26 19:13:27 u mean still in "alpha" ? Dec 26 19:13:30 yes Dec 26 19:13:40 the bits they've got look very mockup Dec 26 19:14:25 what is the connector ? Dec 26 19:14:27 usb ? Dec 26 19:14:41 of course does not look like a standard usb Dec 26 19:15:26 The only advantage I see is that the same gadgets might be connectable to a regular pc/ laptop Dec 26 19:25:02 That idea is b0rked. Dec 26 19:25:24 Maybe as a toy or something alike (like Legos), but not as anything serious. Dec 26 19:25:49 The modules take too much space and cost a lot, compared to what they do. Dec 26 19:26:52 And then, Lego Technic and Creator series do that part just fine, so I don't see much room for competition there. Dec 26 19:27:27 There's also BASIC Stamp series of microcontrollers, sensors and robotics, for those who want to tinker more. Dec 26 19:28:07 cool! Dec 26 19:29:26 A serial bus can help a fair bit. USB2 is a pretty good match. Dec 26 19:29:35 It addresses most of the concerns. Dec 26 19:29:48 but raises more. Dec 26 19:45:48 wurp2: navit here. Dec 26 19:46:17 I much prefer python for apps to C Dec 26 19:46:29 except for the places that profiling shows as an issue Dec 26 19:46:50 And as a bonus I can do little hacks on my neo directly, or so I hope Dec 26 19:47:25 is it possible to turn the display of the neo off? Dec 26 20:32:46 I'm pulling the trigger this weekend and getting the base model Neo.. I see that it includes the 512MB microSD card, but the picture shows a microSD adapater... Is the adapter not needed or does the Neo actually have a full size SD slot? Dec 26 20:32:58 And the next question, will full size SD cards work? Dec 26 20:33:49 kdean06: The Neo only uses microSD cards. Dec 26 20:34:13 the adapter is not needed afaik, unless you want to use the card with a card reader Dec 26 20:34:18 So the adapter isn't actually needed if the card will be used ONLY on the Neo... Dec 26 20:34:21 Okay. ;) thanks. Dec 26 21:08:35 hey all...http://sudharsh.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/screenshot-1.png sorry if it scares you..but it works.. Dec 26 21:09:39 wuah, scary :P Dec 26 21:10:20 so much for ma GUI designing skills..bleh...but it works Dec 26 21:10:42 but, IM-conversation style /me wants Dec 26 21:11:26 ~trout zash Dec 26 21:11:27 * apt slaps zash around a bit with a large trout! Dec 26 21:11:58 svn is still down, right? Dec 26 21:13:05 gnight all....happy hacking Dec 26 21:13:42 * SpeedEvil hacks off Sup3rkiddos arms. Dec 26 21:13:56 Night! Dec 26 21:14:07 * SpeedEvil glues them back on. Dec 26 21:14:15 bleh.. Dec 26 21:14:34 ~trout SpeedEvil Dec 26 21:14:35 * apt slaps SpeedEvil around a bit with a large trout! Dec 26 21:15:43 * SpeedEvil grabs the trout, and serves it cooked to the channel. Dec 26 21:15:49 ~fish itself Dec 26 21:15:50 * apt slaps itself around with a large trout Dec 26 21:16:30 what, "öring"? Dec 26 21:33:12 openmoko: 03andrew * r3736 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ (ar6000.c s3c.h s3c2410.c s3c24xx_mmci.c): Dec 26 21:33:12 openmoko: Add the S3C2440 register map for MMC/SD/SDIO host. Dec 26 21:33:12 openmoko: Set SDIO R4 Card-ready bit when card is ready. Dec 26 21:38:43 openmoko: 03andrew * r3737 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch: Patch the kernel to see S3C2410 register map, rather than 2440. Dec 26 22:06:19 is someone here with a working gprs-connect-chat configuration? Dec 26 22:06:30 i get "Connect script failed" everytime Dec 26 22:23:24 borg_: For dialing? Dec 26 22:23:38 Consider using wvdial instead of pppd chatscripts. Dec 26 22:25:10 It makes the process real easy. Mostly you just need to configure which device to use, the phone number and loginname/password (if used). Dec 26 22:25:36 is wvdial in the repository? Dec 26 22:26:14 can't find it Dec 26 22:26:15 I don't have OpenMoko, no idea. Dec 26 22:27:29 I use that on my Gentoo laptop for GPRS/3G dialing, using Nokia cellphone over Bluetooth or Huawei HSDPA modem over USB. Dec 26 22:39:53 Ok. I have 'messages' up. (todays version). It (for the first time) when I start it shows 'unknown sender' - which I believe to be a message from my provider. How do I read it? Dec 26 23:01:50 libervisco, Greetings. :) Dec 26 23:04:13 Sup3rkiddo, Howdy Dec 26 23:05:06 Anyone developing apps on Qtopia? Dec 26 23:07:32 openmoko: 03andrew * r3738 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ar6000.c: Dec 26 23:07:32 openmoko: SDIO CMD5 doesn't change state in "initialization". Dec 26 23:07:32 openmoko: Don't reset the always-one flags in card status word. Dec 26 23:07:32 openmoko: Common CIS pointer is an offset from CIA, not CIS start. Dec 26 23:07:32 openmoko: Add some common CIS tuples similar to those on a real AR6001. Dec 27 00:44:21 are they selling the final rev now ? Dec 27 00:44:27 no Dec 27 00:44:37 it got delayed again? no christmas eh Dec 27 00:44:49 also my XO is lat Dec 27 00:44:50 e Dec 27 00:46:28 mjr: life sucks, ey? Dec 27 00:46:39 could be worse Dec 27 00:46:41 http://www.cybertown.com/cgi-bin/jail/place?plc=jail&ac=place&ID=0000000000000033&force=s Dec 27 00:46:49 I could not have my gta-01 Dec 27 00:47:07 http://www.cybertown.com/cgi-bin/jail/place?plc=jail&ac=place&ID=0000000000000033&force=s Dec 27 02:34:41 is there a way with MokoMakefile to just rebuild the kernel? Dec 27 02:55:57 openmoko: 03andrew * r3739 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ (ar6000.c sd.h): Dec 27 02:55:57 openmoko: FBR space registers. Dec 27 02:55:57 openmoko: Per-function CIS tuples of Atheros ar6k1, makes function PnP logic work. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 27 02:59:57 2007