**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 28 02:59:56 2007 Dec 28 03:07:29 hmm, anyone else having problems not having a tarball for openmoko-panel-gps available when using MokoMakefile? Dec 28 03:12:05 meh Dec 28 03:19:04 api.hostip.info is not responding Dec 28 04:11:40 I'm looking for someone to help me test some u-boot fixes - any volunteers? You should have a GTA01Bv4, and a debug board in case something goes wrong. Dec 28 04:15:04 Files are at http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/u-boot/ if anyone is interested, but try at your own risk. Dec 28 04:34:27 mmontour: I might be able to check them in an hour or so, I've updated my you-boot alot. Is there anything specific I should look for? (note that I do have a debug board, but haven't needed it yet, so I don't know how to use it) Dec 28 04:37:18 Thanks. This build contains workarounds for OM bugs #799, #887, and #1140, so those should be tested in addition to general stuff (make sure it boots properly, that you can access the console, etc.) Dec 28 05:50:27 Hi all Dec 28 05:50:50 I got following error message when i ran make openmoko-devel-image Dec 28 05:50:54 NOTE: package glibc-2.5-r8: task do_package: failed Dec 28 05:51:20 the above said is the error message i got Dec 28 05:51:34 what could be the reason Dec 28 05:51:35 ? Dec 28 05:53:07 Only about 10,000,000 things could be the problem. Dec 28 05:53:26 If you check carefully in all the messages, it should tell you to look in a log file. Dec 28 05:53:39 The log file will have the real error message. Dec 28 05:53:48 oh . Dec 28 05:54:03 where can i find that log file ? Dec 28 05:54:15 any specific path ? Dec 28 05:54:31 It will either have been printed out to the screen, or the messages printed on the screen will name the log. Dec 28 05:54:45 The exact path will vary. Dec 28 05:54:52 ok .. Dec 28 06:03:39 openmoko: 03werner * r3748 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c24xx-nand-boot.patch: Dec 28 06:03:39 openmoko: uboot-s3c24xx-nand-boot.patch: Dec 28 06:03:39 openmoko: - cpu/arm920t/start.S: file was patched twice, gravely upsetting quilt Dec 28 06:09:30 mwester: http://pastebin.com/m1cedd97c Dec 28 06:10:04 mwester: the link mentioned has the output from the "make openmoko-devel-image" Dec 28 06:10:55 mmontour: your you-boot worked fine for me. I do not have an SD boot setup and I've never seen the messed up you-boot loader screen, but I got two successful startups without having to hold both buttons and boot through the loader. Odd thing is that it also seemed to jump-start SMS. It had stopped working for some reason a while back (not that it's bug free now by any means), but I can send and receive SMS again. My kernel and Dec 28 06:11:24 sreekant2: Line 31 Dec 28 06:12:14 dang abbreviation substituter! you-boot lol Dec 28 06:12:55 mwester: how can i solve this issue ? Dec 28 06:14:21 Check the wiki for any info on qemu problems when building locales to see what others have done to solve this. Dec 28 06:14:39 I don't build the locales -- takes too much time. Dec 28 06:15:05 moko-bunny: thanks for testing. I think the SMS thing is coincidence - there shouldn't be any connection to u-boot. Dec 28 06:15:12 mwester: ok Dec 28 06:15:20 You can add the following line to your build/conf/local.conf file to disable locales: Dec 28 06:15:22 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Dec 28 06:15:41 oh fine Dec 28 06:18:29 mmontour: I agree about SMS. Funny thing is I specifically tried it with the image I built tonight. didn't work, send or receive. loaded your "you-boot" and boom.."message received" right on startup. Maybe starting through the boot loader sets the environment different somehow than the single button boot. Dec 28 06:20:26 You can check your u-boot environment from its console. The default boot uses the "bootcmd" variable while the menu uses whatever command is associated with that menu entry Dec 28 06:20:59 You might have a "console=ttyS0" statement in one of them but not in the other. That might make a difference with gsmd. Dec 28 06:21:58 (actually "console=ttySAC0,115200") Dec 28 06:23:18 cool, I'll check that out. Dec 28 07:15:55 openmoko: 03werner * r3749 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) Dec 28 07:15:55 openmoko: Support board-specific NAND initialization, and use this to make "nand Dec 28 07:15:55 openmoko: createbbt" on GTA02 more efficient. (Run time decreases from about 145 seconds Dec 28 07:15:55 openmoko: to less than ten.) Dec 28 07:15:55 openmoko: uboot-s3c2410-nand.patch: Dec 28 07:15:56 openmoko: - cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/nand.c (s3c2410_nand_enable_hwecc): is only used in this Dec 28 07:16:00 openmoko: file and therefore should be "static" Dec 28 08:01:26 Intel Classmate laptop on sale in Vietnam http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4217198426.html Dec 28 08:07:14 Hi all Dec 28 08:08:28 Can i run "make openmoko-devel-image" on one system and copy the contents which the make process downloaded in to another system ? Dec 28 08:11:32 sreekant1: I know those under sources/ can Dec 28 08:11:36 ScaredyCat: not sure about the others Dec 28 08:11:45 sreekant1: not sure about the others Dec 28 08:11:48 ScaredyCat: sorry :) Dec 28 08:24:06 moin Dec 28 08:29:33 C7, ping Dec 28 08:52:00 * * OM Bug 1148 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com Dec 28 08:52:01 * * define SMS statu report TP-ST value Dec 28 08:52:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1148 Dec 28 08:52:51 C7, ah hat sich erledigt ^^ Dec 28 09:34:01 morning Dec 28 09:34:18 olv: you can share sources between machines Dec 28 09:44:59 mornin Dec 28 09:57:27 good morning Dec 28 10:15:58 Hopscotch, good morning Dec 28 10:32:50 Hello, everyone. Dec 28 10:35:57 (hello to czech republic) Dec 28 10:36:03 * pavelm just got test sim card... Dec 28 10:36:15 ...and wonders, is there working SMS app already? Dec 28 10:39:34 ...pretty quiet around here. Is everyone hacking android or what? ;-) Dec 28 10:42:35 :) Dec 28 10:52:05 hi pavel Dec 28 10:52:16 pavelm: how are your clothes? Dec 28 10:52:37 pavelm: and there is sms app working Dec 28 10:54:16 whats the best place for latest "semi-official" images? CM's, scaredycats? Dec 28 10:56:05 buildhost.openmoko.org i guess Dec 28 10:56:20 CM's and scaresycats should be mostly identical though Dec 28 10:57:25 balrog-kun, builhost havent been updated in over a month :) Dec 28 10:57:34 buildhost* Dec 28 10:58:06 jeddy3: they started it again Dec 28 10:58:41 hrw, hmm, where? i just checked it Dec 28 10:59:25 doh, I looked in old dirs :/...nevermind :) Dec 28 10:59:58 balrog-kun, my bad Dec 28 11:01:28 yeah, it's since yesterday only Dec 28 11:28:18 Hi .. Dec 28 11:28:43 i got following error when i ran make openmoko-devel-image Dec 28 11:28:45 http://pastebin.ca/834674 Dec 28 11:32:25 what could be the reason for the error ? Dec 28 11:36:01 sreekant1: looks like a bad tar file in /home/sreekanth/OpenMoko/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git._9912121f7ed804ea58fd62f3f230b5dcfc357d88.tar.gz Dec 28 11:36:29 I would suggest removing that file, and rebuilding that package. Dec 28 11:44:50 wonder if this would run openmoko: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/android-prototype-lets-hope-looks-can-be-deceiving/ Dec 28 11:44:58 (that's the form-factor that I like) Dec 28 11:51:13 hi all Dec 28 12:08:23 hi Dec 28 12:08:37 hi Dec 28 12:08:50 is it possible to re run a particular failed process in the make openmoko-devel-image ? Dec 28 12:09:37 basically a download got corrupted due to network disurption and so i am not able top proceede with the make openmoko-devel-image ... Dec 28 12:09:39 just re-run the make, and it'll redo it Dec 28 12:09:51 or delete teh download, and re-run Dec 28 12:09:58 (as I understand it) Dec 28 12:10:12 when i delete the download, it is saying file not found error Dec 28 12:10:25 Hmm. How far into the build are you? Dec 28 12:10:47 done with 731 tasks out of 5275 Dec 28 12:11:00 I think that's around 1/3 done. Dec 28 12:11:07 oh Dec 28 12:11:23 sorry - I've never had to do this. Dec 28 12:11:36 where does the process store the current task that has to run Dec 28 12:11:38 ? Dec 28 12:11:44 No idea. Dec 28 12:11:45 delete the corresponding OE fetch stamp in build/tmp/stamps Dec 28 12:11:58 :) Dec 28 12:12:36 ok .. Dec 28 12:13:03 can anyone tell me why there are mailing lists like "announcements" if they are silent since september? Dec 28 12:13:47 The administrator of the announcements mailing list has been kidnapped by Nokia. We are working behind the scene for his release. Dec 28 12:14:41 rwhitby: i have three folders inside build/tmp/stamps Dec 28 12:14:59 sreekant1: find the one which holds the stamp for the package in question Dec 28 12:15:15 how can i know that ? Dec 28 12:15:37 do i need to check the console output for that stamp? Dec 28 12:15:57 ls */*u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native* doesn't tell you? Dec 28 12:16:40 wooo yesterday I find out what is Xdmx ^.^ brilliant :) Dec 28 12:18:00 rwhitby: I am getting no such file or directory error Dec 28 12:18:44 * rwhitby goes to bed Dec 28 12:19:42 sreekant1: you have two choices: find the fetch stamp, or start from scratch. Dec 28 12:20:10 oh Dec 28 12:20:12 Mmh, is someone here so far into the project, that he can tell when it _COULD_ be done? The public informations suggest the hardware is (or should be) ready. Dec 28 12:20:25 no it doesn't. Dec 28 12:20:40 the current version of hardware is available. Dec 28 12:20:57 the next version (with wifi/...) will maybe be available im march. Dec 28 12:21:31 I would be astonished to see it in shops before christmas. Dec 28 12:21:35 yeah, it's even slipped past my pessimistic forecast that I made in August. Dec 28 12:22:34 lol, where do you know this from? what mailinglist I have to subscribe? :) Dec 28 12:23:04 assorted stuff Dec 28 12:24:23 I'm not a developer or something like this, but I really would like to be informed if certain announces can't be hold in. :/ Dec 28 12:27:20 It's been a repeated complaint that no information is coherently released. Dec 28 12:27:36 It tends to be 'leaked' in blogs, comments in IRC or in person. Dec 28 12:29:11 And while of course it's not possible to give concrete 'it will be available' timescales, it's quite possible to say that previous announcements now can't be met. Dec 28 12:29:18 Which repeatedly has not happened. Dec 28 12:31:57 re Dec 28 12:32:18 anyone had a chance to check the uboot fix yet? Dec 28 12:32:30 * SpeedEvil has no debug. Dec 28 12:32:38 _you_ have no debug board? Dec 28 12:32:42 that's a shame Dec 28 12:32:44 yes. Dec 28 12:32:45 want one? Dec 28 12:33:18 It would be very handy - I'm interested in hacking uboot, but have been unwilling to touch it. Dec 28 12:33:58 for sure. send me your snail mail address and I'll ship it to you on monday Dec 28 12:34:08 s/ship it/send it/ Dec 28 12:34:09 mickeyl meant: for sure. send me your snail mail address and I'll send it to you on monday Dec 28 12:36:21 ok, i'm going to be guinea pig then Dec 28 12:36:25 * mickeyl applies the bugfix Dec 28 12:37:34 rwhitby: you there ? Dec 28 12:38:14 rwhitby: I found out the file you mentioned Dec 28 12:46:32 hmm Dec 28 12:46:36 doesn't fix it for me Dec 28 13:30:46 has anyone been able to get the neo to act as a bluetooth gps? Dec 28 13:33:15 jeddy3: good question Dec 28 13:33:25 that would certainly be pretty useful Dec 28 13:34:03 yes :), i'm particulary looking at the n800 with free maps sitting beside neo :) Dec 28 13:35:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4911UER9bI Dec 28 13:35:16 it is possible Dec 28 13:35:31 pavel machek wrote about it over half year ago on his blog Dec 28 13:35:54 hrw, yes i'm reading his guide right now...but can't get it to work Dec 28 13:36:11 i'm missing the sdpd deamon first of all Dec 28 13:37:06 bluez got changed since then Dec 28 13:39:56 hmmm, yes, it seems i maybe don't need sdpd Dec 28 13:40:31 jeddy3: iirc sdpd is gone in recent bluez Dec 28 13:40:44 rtp, yes seems like you're right Dec 28 14:04:47 root@fic-gta01:~$ tail -f /tmp/gps.gllin > /dev/rfcomm0 Dec 28 14:04:47 -sh: cannot create /dev/rfcomm0: No such device Dec 28 14:04:59 odd, i already have it, and can listen to it Dec 28 14:35:01 LaF0rge: I think to remember that there was a page from you explaining how to start reversing mobile phone firmware. tried googling it but no luck so far Dec 28 14:35:20 LaF0rge: was that you and if so, is that page still online? Dec 28 14:35:25 ktk: find the lead developer late at night, and hand large wadge of cash? Dec 28 14:35:44 hehe Dec 28 15:02:22 how to set pin on bluetooth? Dec 28 15:05:27 edit /etc/default/bluetooth iir Dec 28 15:05:28 c Dec 28 15:08:21 hmmm, is there a default pin? Dec 28 15:10:13 jeddy3: try playing with /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf Dec 28 15:12:46 rtp, yes, that seems to it thanks Dec 28 15:29:38 what about the state of art with gta02?? The hardware isn't confirmed yet I suppose... Dec 28 15:35:33 As far as we understand it, unfortunately not. Dec 28 15:38:04 SpeedEvil: are developers at the moment working on GTA01 or GTA02?? Dec 28 15:40:01 the core developers are mainly working on getting GTA02 hardware working Dec 28 15:40:08 everyone else has 01 Dec 28 15:44:01 ok...so we'll see results of hardware testing on 02 very soon I hope... Dec 28 15:44:19 Well - maybe. Dec 28 15:44:39 I'd nbot expect purchasable 02's before march at the earliest. Dec 28 15:45:15 so we're talking of confirmed hardware for march?? Dec 28 15:45:44 from what i hear the hardware works ok Dec 28 15:46:02 balrog-kun: really?? Dec 28 15:46:09 the ui developers use gta02 too because you don't need the battery to keep it on Dec 28 15:46:49 there are some hardware bugs identified that will be addresses in the v5 or whatever revision Dec 28 15:47:14 The drivers for GTA02 are not complete enough - as I understand it - to rule out the possibility of unknown hardware bugs. Dec 28 15:47:37 And they want to get them complete enough before committing to a new hardware revision with possible buigs Dec 28 15:49:57 right, there could be more bugs in the parts that are unused yet Dec 28 15:50:41 that's at least the accelerometers and maybe some features of the glamo Dec 28 15:51:39 And damn near all of the powersaving stuff AIUI Dec 28 15:52:40 oh yes Dec 28 15:57:01 LaF0rge, ping!! Dec 28 16:00:56 balrog-kun: glamo? Dec 28 16:45:13 glamo Dec 28 17:12:28 When I do 'ipkg install -d card' I get a message that card is an invalid destination Dec 28 17:12:34 likewise /media/card Dec 28 17:13:07 Does anyone know the correct way to get ipkg to install apps to my sd card instead of flash? Dec 28 17:13:57 wurp2: newbie's wild guess : chroot ?? Dec 28 17:15:04 kamathln: I'm sure that could be made to work, but it probably would be a lot of work to set up, and it probably also wouldn't work with ipkg-link Dec 28 17:15:33 I was hoping someone would know the magic word to give the -d parameter, since the wiki appears to be inaccurate on this one Dec 28 17:16:15 wurp2: ok. Dec 28 17:19:39 wurp2: iirc you have to add "dest card /media/card" to /etc/ipkg.conf Dec 28 17:20:36 and i think you need to install ipkg-link Dec 28 17:28:37 hi Dec 28 17:43:21 Can someone tell me the basics of adding the usb_host patch to the kernel ? I have moko makefile with the current revision built, now I just need to copy the patch to the right place and tell moko makefile to compile it in, how do I get the makefile to include it? Dec 28 17:43:44 Ive never done any kernel work and am overwhelmed. Dec 28 17:48:34 Marcel_M: You think I need ipkg-link before I can use the -d parameter on ipgk install? Dec 28 17:48:50 I too have done no kerne work Dec 28 17:49:17 I would think you could grep through the makefiles and find where the patch command is applied to figure out where to copy the patch and what target to call Dec 28 17:49:24 s/kerne/kernel/ Dec 28 17:51:17 wurp2: sorry cant remeber just try it Dec 28 17:51:20 magellan: try: http://moko.mwester.net/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r10.1-neo1973.bin Dec 28 17:51:57 the moko makefile documentation talks about using a quilt command to put new things in the build tree but it doesn't cover kernel patches this way, I would think there would be a similar way which didnt involve changing the makefile Dec 28 17:52:14 mwester, what is this Dec 28 17:52:30 I have tried one kernel which claims to have it built in but it didn't work Dec 28 17:53:59 mwester: how does one patch the kernel like it appears you have done? Dec 28 17:56:47 maggellan: add "file://s3c2410-usb-switch.patch;patch=1 \" into SRC_URI section of openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.22.5.bb and cp the patch to openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko an do a "make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko" Dec 28 17:57:04 magellan Dec 28 18:07:55 MarcelM: how did you learn to do this Dec 28 18:08:08 is there documentation that I have missed? Dec 28 18:10:28 dunno if there is a doc Dec 28 18:11:24 Marcel_M: well it is making right now so we will see if it works Dec 28 18:11:38 great Dec 28 18:11:53 is moko makefile the way most people are coding for the neo? Dec 28 18:12:01 or toolchain Dec 28 18:12:10 let me know if you got the usb-host running ;) Dec 28 18:12:33 The documentation would be found in the OE documentation. Dec 28 18:12:47 thanks mwester! Dec 28 18:14:06 wonder if I can test this under qemu Dec 28 18:15:06 I need to see if the file "usb_mode" shows up under /sys/......../usb Dec 28 18:21:58 It's not in /sys/.../usb; it's in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode Dec 28 18:23:45 oh that might work under qemu Dec 28 18:23:54 and you wouldn't need a special powered hub :p Dec 28 18:24:20 actually it should work with an unpatched kernel Dec 28 18:25:16 it didn't work with the unpatched kernel Dec 28 18:27:50 * balrog-kun boots up Dec 28 18:28:40 well usb_mode is now in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/ as it should be while under qemu Dec 28 18:29:02 openmoko: 03andrew * r3750 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/neo1973.c: Preliminary LIS302DL accelerometers in the GTA02F. Dec 28 18:29:02 now I should just have to send it to the device Dec 28 18:29:50 thanks mwester, balrog and Marcel Dec 28 18:31:16 with an unpatched kernel i have no usb_mode file in there but ohci works and you can attach devices to it Dec 28 18:32:08 you modprobe ohci? Dec 28 18:33:49 i use a non-modular kernel normally Dec 28 18:34:30 Umm. Dec 28 18:34:41 * SpeedEvil understood that there was no way for the hardware to do that. Dec 28 18:35:04 as it can't automagically switch from device to host mode. Dec 28 18:35:45 on the real hardware i think you're right, i was talking about qemu, sorry if i was unclear Dec 28 18:36:29 in qemu it can work in both modes at the same time because the two usb sockets are not melded into one Dec 28 18:36:35 Oh right. Dec 28 18:41:24 hi there. Dec 28 18:43:00 is there any news about GPS softwares? Dec 28 18:58:20 bedboi: the gps software is working Dec 28 18:58:52 do you mean the driver, or some gps navigation gui, or what? Dec 28 19:04:40 The binary driver has been released. Dec 28 19:04:43 and 'works'. Dec 28 19:09:48 why the 's? Dec 28 19:12:32 Unless it's a newer version then the internal one, it's... well... it could be better. ;) Dec 28 19:13:09 I guess all I care about is that it feeds me timestamps & lat/longs Dec 28 19:13:11 and it does that Dec 28 19:13:56 Well, if you don't move, it always gices the same coords. ;) Dec 28 19:14:16 (which sounds right, but is wrong for gps) Dec 28 19:16:36 hmm Dec 28 19:16:44 I can see that there should be variation for error Dec 28 19:16:53 but what other variation should there be? Dec 28 19:21:15 Exactly the variation due to error. And that's basicly missing. Dec 28 19:22:06 So, once it gets a fix for a location, it just doesn't update from the satellites again until you move? Dec 28 19:23:24 Basicly yes. Dec 28 19:23:49 Maybe it updates after a minute or so. I think. Dec 28 19:24:12 I probably should retry, so that I can trick around it. Dec 28 19:24:25 that is weird Dec 28 19:24:33 you would think they would have to do that explicitly Dec 28 19:25:09 What? Dec 28 19:27:40 I mean, it seems they would have to go out of their way to do the wrong thing Dec 28 19:27:47 to make it not update when you're not moving Dec 28 19:29:53 Well, the hammerhead is often used in car navigation. And if you're standing at the traffic sign and waiting to drive on, you wouldn't want the "driving direction" (which is deduced from last position --> current position) to change like mad. Dec 28 19:30:09 true... Dec 28 19:30:20 but it seems easy enough to allow for error on the client side Dec 28 19:30:40 I'd rather be able to get access to the raw data, and then have another api that fudges it for practical reasons Dec 28 19:30:42 The solution is letting the consumer choose. Dec 28 19:30:55 Yeah, or that. Dec 28 19:31:20 The above is my personal guess, why the thing acts in that way. Dec 28 19:31:58 makes sense Dec 28 19:33:45 Also it has some "smoothing": If you drive with 10km/h north, and then abruptly drive west, the reported position still goes on north for a few secs and then does a smooth quarter circle like thing. Dec 28 19:36:49 Which also makes some sense for car usage. For car usage you usually don't drive like that mad, you drive smooth, and so it makes sense to smooth out the noisy data. Dec 28 19:37:34 Yeah, but again I would rather have a low level & high level api Dec 28 19:38:04 sometimes I know better than they do what the output means, and maybe I want to put a bunch of work into heuristic algorithms that just do a better job than they do Dec 28 19:41:10 Right, right. Dec 28 19:41:26 Just that API doesn't seem to exist. Dec 28 19:42:01 We were trying to reverse engineer the hardware, but I have to admit, other stuff attracted me more lately. Dec 28 19:42:55 The 02 hardware kind of bypasses that whole thing by just giving nmea data directly, doesn't it? Dec 28 19:44:10 I don't know exactly, what info has been released about 02. Dec 28 19:44:32 The driver for the 01 gives NMEA too, just it's "preprocessed". Dec 28 19:44:39 I thought I saw a comment on the wiki that the new gps puts out nmea directly Dec 28 19:44:39 the GPS chipset simply outputs NMEA in 02 Dec 28 19:45:33 hey, on the 01, my mp3 player stutters Dec 28 19:45:38 Ahh, so it's official now. Dec 28 19:46:10 Should I just nice it, or is there some other technique I should be using? Dec 28 19:46:26 the ANTARIS supports other protocols too Dec 28 19:46:33 all of which are docummented, so it's pretty cool Dec 28 19:46:40 very cool! Dec 28 19:46:53 balrog-kun - :-) Dec 28 19:47:48 the manufacturer claim their other binary protocol is more efective and i think there's a c lib to parse it Dec 28 19:47:52 claims Dec 28 19:48:16 I guess, gpsd can talk it. ;) Dec 28 19:48:35 And yes, the binary protocols are usually better. Dec 28 19:48:46 I played a lot with the sirf3 binary stuff. Dec 28 19:49:00 Elrond: let me know if you ever re-start your Hammerhead reverse-engineering. I have some newer stuff that I haven't checked into the sphyrna repository yet. Dec 28 19:49:31 mmontour - Ahh, yeah. I also have some non-checked-in stuff. :-| Dec 28 19:53:37 Elrond: I plan to do some more Hammerhead work over the next few days. What sort of non-checked-in stuff do you have? Dec 28 20:02:36 mmontour - Mostly a pygtk frontend for plotting live data on te neo. ;) Dec 28 20:02:42 It's a quick and bad hack. Dec 28 20:06:19 is LaF0rge around? :-( Dec 28 20:06:39 who at 24c3 saw him or will see him? Dec 28 20:08:50 josch: Jeroen might Dec 28 20:10:16 Jeroen :) Dec 28 20:10:22 sounds dutch to me :) Dec 28 20:10:32 why Jeroen ? Dec 28 20:11:47 who is he? Dec 28 20:12:02 LarstiQ, ? Dec 28 20:33:44 josch_: because he is at the 24c3? Dec 28 21:05:13 I've indeed seen LaF0rge walking around yesterday Dec 28 21:25:24 Jeroen, yeah but.... okay well I will just pose my question here Dec 28 21:26:00 me and Obri have a problem with neo1973 gta01 hardware running non-openmoko - the tft seems to flicker just as the cpu is being used Dec 28 21:26:14 heavy flickering on high cpu use and low flickeriung on low use Dec 28 21:26:17 so... why? Dec 28 21:26:29 this is not just in X but also in framebuffer console Dec 28 21:33:28 if you've screwed up the divisor settings, the framebuffer will contend for memory bandwidth with the CPU I think Dec 28 21:37:40 josch_: 640x480 is consuming a lot of bandwith so you should not expect too much with high cpu use. Switch to QVGA mode, I expect it'll be better Dec 28 21:39:41 rtp, wohooo wait but openmoko also uses 640x480 Dec 28 21:49:28 josch_: yeah, but afaik the 2410 is idle most of the time. If you have time, just compute the bandwith usage as explained in the 2410 um :) Dec 28 21:52:17 oh I don't have time ^^ but why does it work in openmoko and doesn't with normal xorg? Dec 28 22:01:23 josch_: I only play with the kernel. I've no idea how is configured userspace stuff, sorry Dec 28 22:04:32 rtp, :-) thx anyway ^^ Dec 28 22:28:01 * * OM Bug 1149 has been created by andrew(AT)orospakr.ca Dec 28 22:28:02 * * Incoming calls work perfectly, but outgoing calls silently fail. Dec 28 22:28:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1149 Dec 28 22:28:19 that was the bug I was describing in here last night. Dec 28 22:50:04 Does anyone know how to contact Michael Shiloh? Dec 28 22:50:23 I need to ask about turnaround time for the modem firmware install on GTA01 Dec 28 22:51:08 *crickets chirp* Dec 28 23:13:30 Does anyone know how to contact Michael Shiloh? Dec 28 23:14:17 wurp2: You could try the 'From:' address of one of his posts to the community mailing list. Dec 28 23:15:31 I think I subscribed after his last email, and the addy is (rightly) hidden in the web archives Dec 28 23:15:47 I searched in my gmail for his name and came up with nuthin' Dec 28 23:16:22 Thanks for the reply, though :-) Dec 28 23:16:31 CoreDump took care of me Dec 28 23:16:33 Thanks! Dec 28 23:19:25 someone who maitaining MAkefile sholud fix makefile : s/uboot-openmoko/u-boot-openmoko/ :> Dec 28 23:24:02 wurp2: you got the adress now? Dec 28 23:24:30 NineX: I'm sure rwhitby will what .au wakes up Dec 28 23:28:18 * rwhitby kicks CIA-15 Dec 28 23:28:19 ow Dec 28 23:29:14 Makefile rev 174 has the fix. Seems that kicking CIA-15 didn't wake it up to report. Dec 28 23:37:15 NineX, XorA: did that fix it? Dec 28 23:39:01 rwhitby: no idea, Im on vacation :-) Dec 28 23:41:06 XorA: so am I ;-) Dec 28 23:41:39 * XorA wonders if there is any chance of getting n810 before feb Dec 28 23:43:02 rwhitby: that fixed it for me (although my build is now breaking on matchbox-applet-startup-monitor) Dec 28 23:48:23 Hi! Dec 28 23:48:37 I'd problem with ipkg... Dec 28 23:49:07 I want to install libgsmd but ipkg not found it Dec 28 23:49:38 and in 'ipkg list' or 'ipkg info' it found to version of libgsmd Dec 28 23:49:49 somebody can help me? Dec 28 23:51:18 and in 'ipkg list' or 'ipkg info' it found two version of libgsmd Dec 28 23:54:50 When will Neo1973 be released "for the masses"? Dec 28 23:55:43 Maybe christmas. Dec 28 23:55:49 As in available in stores. Dec 28 23:55:54 And that's optimistic. Dec 28 23:55:56 Christmas 2008? Dec 28 23:56:26 yes Dec 28 23:56:43 It's first got to get stable hardware. Maybe march. Dec 28 23:56:54 Okay, geez thats a long time =/ Dec 28 23:57:07 Then it's probably got to get a quadband revision out. Maybe June. Dec 28 23:57:30 Then the software has to be polished enough that stores would consider handling it. Dec 28 23:57:55 and then you've got at least a 3-6 month leadtime from demoing it to a store buyer to it hitting the shelves. Dec 28 23:58:10 The "Developer preview" released now, how stable is it to use as a regular phone? Dec 28 23:58:24 somebody can help me? Dec 28 23:58:51 zicho: some builds work quite well - others not. Basically as a phone - a nokia 1110 beats it in every way. Dec 28 23:59:10 cyt: dunno - try ipkg remove and upgrade? Dec 28 23:59:21 Ah, okay... Dec 29 00:01:28 cyt: remove and install Dec 29 00:01:35 why i'd 2 version when i take a ipkg list|grep libgsmd? Dec 29 00:01:46 ah Dec 29 00:01:49 list-installed Dec 29 00:02:07 I'd none libgsmd installed... Dec 29 00:02:35 I'm with snapshot 2007.11 and updates daily Dec 29 00:02:42 packages lists Dec 29 00:03:18 What do you think of Android? Dec 29 00:03:41 Android is basically just java apps. Dec 29 00:04:34 I think it will be nice to see how a free system vill affect commercial phones, and how free it will remain. Dec 29 00:10:58 I think the I don't understand, I'd delete all snapshots packages Dec 29 00:11:12 and let updates (daily) packages Dec 29 00:11:26 I had just one version for all packages Dec 29 00:11:50 and ipkg install libgsmd don't work... Dec 29 00:12:27 root@magician:~$ ipkg install libgsmd Dec 29 00:12:27 Nothing to be done Dec 29 00:12:27 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Dec 29 00:12:27